TFC 2016-2017 off-season player moves/speculation/rumours

[Oldtimer]

Post your speculation/information/etc. here in this thread!

Confirmed (by traditional media or the club) signings get a separate single thread in the "News" section. All other "inside" and other information goes here.

[Valdal]

Who do people think we will sign once Bradley leaves?

[OgtheDim]

In 4 years?

[sn0re]

Who do people think we will sign once Bradley leaves?

Sampdoria? Kappa

[gracos]

Who is expendable from our club will provide hints of which positions we will sign for during the offseason

[mcolvy]

Who is expendable from our club will provide hints of which positions we will sign for during the offseason

We don't have a ton of holes. Mostly just more cover in key areas like DM & CB. I'd also like a different RB if we do decide to stick with the 3-5-2. Beit isn't strong enough in attack...

[Valdal]

He has offers and why wouldnt he take it?

[reggie]

i think we need a right back with a little more O in his game.and i still think we need a #10 type player.

[OgtheDim]

He has offers and why wouldnt he take it?

Because he isn't interested in those offers. As has been reported a number of times.

And allow me to quote something from Sportsnet last night. http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/bradley-determined-use-tfcs-crushing-mls-cup-loss-fuel/


"Every guy here is going to have to take the time to let [the loss] hurt, let it frustrate you, let it anger you," he said. "… But at some point when you can start to process it all, individually and collectively, we can use it as more fuel for what we’re trying to do.


"We can use it make us even more determined and make sure the group is able to use this in a way that means that not only are we coming back to this point but when we do get back to this point that we’re prepared for it and we’re ready to take the next step."


Michael Bradley was first off the pitch after one of the greatest and saddest moments for soccer in Toronto. He needed to get off the field and into the shower. He needed to let it all start to sink in. And then he started to think about next year.


He was first off the pitch but his mind is already made up: he’ll be back and he’ll be bringing Toronto FC (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/mls/teams/toronto-fc/) along with him.



He's here for the long haul. The spec on him leaving is dead.


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The expansion draft will take a player and Johnson is likely to move to somewhere where he can start. That suggests the need for a DM type. Unless they manuevere Cooper into that position, we'll likely be looking for somebody there.

Possibly also a veteran to come off the bench as a CD and compete with the young lads.

I also don't see us sticking with the 3-5-2 for a full season.

[Initial B]

No offense to Irwin, but I think they should look in the off-season to upgrading to a world-class keeper. You can probably get one for $1 million as they're one of the quality positions that wouldn't need DP money and could be purchased with TAM.

[reggie]

dont think they will do that,i think its bono/irwin battle in camp.

[Auzzy]

I feel like they need a long-distance scoring threat. Either one of the current players alters his game to offer that more, or they sign somebody. Perhaps I've forgotten, but how often have we threatened off a long shot in the past few months? I feel it's just another element to throw in the mix, when teams are bunkering, shutting down Giovinco & Altidore. Also especially when the conditions are bad, and you never know where a long shot will end up.

[jazzy]

Surely it's Cheyrou's last game ? As much as I like him and will Bloom replace Beitashour as rumoured to be left unprotected . I don't think it's in Badleys DNA to give up after such a disappointment, unless TFC have different plans he'll be back for at least another year . He's made for big games . Not sure about Gio though . Where he stands , his effectiveness in playoffs ? I think if Irwin can be let go , they will find a way for the cheaper younger alternative . Will Cooper be here ? Loans over . And damn where can we find a Morris as per Seattle .

[Gringo Starr]

No offense to Irwin, but I think they should look in the off-season to upgrading to a world-class keeper. You can probably get one for $1 million as they're one of the quality positions that wouldn't need DP money and could be purchased with TAM.

In a capped league spending big money on a keeper makes no sense, exhibit A, B, and C Colorado Rapids and Tim Howard. We didn't lose because of Irwin...

[Gringo Starr]

I feel like they need a long-distance scoring threat. Either one of the current players alters his game to offer that more, or they sign somebody. Perhaps I've forgotten, but how often have we threatened off a long shot in the past few months? I feel it's just another element to throw in the mix, when teams are bunkering, shutting down Giovinco & Altidore. Also especially when the conditions are bad, and you never know where a long shot will end up.

This makes so much sense, throw in a couple of Gashi type shots a game and this offence becomes instantly more dynamic.

[Couchy81]

I'd take a defender like Ciman first over a DP goal keeper.

[pdogg]

Lets ship out a very capable GK. Thats never come back to bite us in the ass before.

[Marc"2L"]

Wooo everybody's favourite thread is back for 2017!!!

Oil up your rollerblades folks!!!

I have a feeling it will be more dramatic than we anticipate. Upper echelons though.

I could of swore I heard something regarding Vanney getting an offer elsewhere.

[nonc]

Wooo everybody's favourite thread is back for 2017!!!

Oil up your rollerblades folks!!!

I have a feeling it will be more dramatic than we anticipate. Upper echelons though.

I could of swore I heard something regarding Vanney getting an offer elsewhere.

This.

[Jack]

Surely it's Cheyrou's last game ? As much as I like him and will Bloom replace Beitashour as rumoured to be left unprotected . I don't think it's in Badleys DNA to give up after such a disappointment, unless TFC have different plans he'll be back for at least another year . He's made for big games . Not sure about Gio though . Where he stands , his effectiveness in playoffs ? I think if Irwin can be let go , they will find a way for the cheaper younger alternative . Will Cooper be here ? Loans over . And damn where can we find a Morris as per Seattle .
Giovinco was pretty damn good in the playoffs, despite not being at his best last night. He set up three (or two?) goals against Montreal and destroyed NYC. He was all over the Philly game, too, scoring one and involved in the setup of the other two.

I don't know about letting Irwin go. He was solid this season and did a good job. I think between him and Moor, we have good leadership at the back and Zavaleta and Hagglund are really developing well. I agree we will have to replace Cheyrou and maybe Johnson and hope we can sign Cooper.

[JoeParez]

I think TFC needs some depth at forward and a true centre defender. That being said, I think Paul Dickov, Joao Pinto and Olof Mellberg all fit the bill.

What do you guys think?

[azorean]

Giovinco was pretty damn good in the playoffs, despite not being at his best last night. He set up three (or two?) goals against Montreal and destroyed NYC. He was all over the Philly game, too, scoring one and involved in the setup of the other two.

I don't know about letting Irwin go. He was solid this season and did a good job. I think between him and Moor, we have good leadership at the back and Zavaleta and Hagglund are really developing well. I agree we will have to replace Cheyrou and maybe Johnson and hope we can sign Cooper.

I disagree with this. I really like Giovinco and have no issues with him whatsoever but he was poor in these playoffs. His corner kicks, free kicks, just everything was off with him. I'm used to seeing a standout Giovinco and he certainly was not a standout in these playoffs, more like ordinary, especially in the last 3 games. Irwin showed a few flaws late in season, almost seemed he is a bit nervy, not bad but not the greatest.

Giovinco must of been injured coming in. I seen an interview earlier in week where he said his parents were flying in for the big game and he was excited to be playing, etc...thought then and there he would have a big game for sure, he just didn't have it though.

[C.Ronaldo]

Bein mauled on each every play will kill you, especially when cold. His free kicks have been off all year. Altidore and cheyrou could be taking a few more of those.

[C.Ronaldo]

Wooo everybody's favourite thread is back for 2017!!!

Oil up your rollerblades folks!!!

I have a feeling it will be more dramatic than we anticipate. Upper echelons though.

I could of swore I heard something regarding Vanney getting an offer elsewhere.

I think it was for usmnt

[Ajax TFC]

I wouldn't mind signing Cheyrou for something in the region of 100-125k to maintain his current role as a limited minutes backup. He's a good leader to have around and can fill in in a pinch at DM or AM without a significant drop in quality. I imagine he'd be open to that as well. Johnson will explore free agency because he can, but I don't he'll go to a lesser organization just for more minutes. I'm not too worried about someone bidding more than his current salary for him either.

There aren't any players on the roster clearly making more than their worth and clogging up cap space, and there aren't any players that are grossly underpaid and in need of significant raise. Add that we'll be gaining cap space due to Moore, Gomez, and Perquis being off the books next season, and we should be able to make some nice upgrades if needed.

Should be able to use TAM to pay Cooper's transfer fee. Also wouldn't mind bringing in a left footed starting CB if one can be found for a reasonable price. Hagglund's distribution from the left side leaves quite something to be desired. Could let go of Josh Williams and use his salary plus Luke Moore's salary on a starting left footed CB and move Hagglund down into Williams' spot in the pecking order. Might also be worth it to go out and get a good winger or #10 for strategic flexibility.

Either way, we have a good roster and lots of cap space and allocation money to work with

[OgtheDim]

There is no obvious contract buy out this off season - I think that's a first for this team.

[Jpexxx]

I'm hoping they keep Cooper. I think he did more than enough to prove he a worth that cap hit, and even if the transfer fee ends up making his hit larger, supposedly they added more TAM again so that should be used there.

I wonder if Johnson will return or not?

[Jpexxx]

Oh also, maybe bring in a starting caliber CB, pushing one of Hagglund/ Zavaleta into that 4th option.

[Jack]

I disagree with this. I really like Giovinco and have no issues with him whatsoever but he was poor in these playoffs. His corner kicks, free kicks, just everything was off with him. I'm used to seeing a standout Giovinco and he certainly was not a standout in these playoffs, more like ordinary, especially in the last 3 games. Irwin showed a few flaws late in season, almost seemed he is a bit nervy, not bad but not the greatest.

Giovinco must of been injured coming in. I seen an interview earlier in week where he said his parents were flying in for the big game and he was excited to be playing, etc...thought then and there he would have a big game for sure, he just didn't have it though.
He was mugged in every game. He dominated Philly and NYC and was very good making dangerous passes and corner kicks against Montreal, injured or not. He was completely manhandled last night with zero help from the ref. He didn't dominate like he has some other games, but he sure was a standout for the first three games of the playoffs, was good against Montreal and was somewhat off his game in the final, where he was fouled hard repeatedly with no calls. I have rewatched our playoff games a couple of times each and I am happy with his performance.

[PopePouri]

Oh also, maybe bring in a starting caliber CB, pushing one of Hagglund/ Zavaleta into that 4th option.

Do you remember Jordan Morris last night? Neither do I.

Zavaleta is one of the best young CB in this league.

[Jack]

Do you remember Jordan Morris last night? Neither do I.

Zavaleta is one of the best young CB in this league.
He has really developed well, as has Hagglund.

[C.Ronaldo]

If zav can make the long passes like haglung, he would be dangerous.

I think zavs has a decent shot, wish he used it more

[Auzzy]

I think TFC needs some depth at forward and a true centre defender. That being said, I think Paul Dickov, Joao Pinto and Olof Mellberg all fit the bill.

What do you guys think?

Yeah I think we just need 4-5 guys. You made some great suggestions. Also it's about time to bring Rohan Ricketts back, and Fuad could do a great job for us.

Oh wait this isn't the "Toast" thread... :D

[BendItLikeGio]

We don't have a ton of holes. Mostly just more cover in key areas like DM & CB. I'd also like a different RB if we do decide to stick with the 3-5-2. Beit isn't strong enough in attack...

not being bias or anything, beit is lethal on the right, for someone tht was thrown into that position at playoffs, he pulled it off great, plus im not sure who was the one that assisted the winning montreal goal, and was on lock for the finals on the RB position... we all know he wont be saved from the draft, but at the same time, everyone i speak to, hope he doesnt get drafted.


we honestly need a CM that will not be scared to shot the ball if there is a chance... a little selfish goes a long way

[C.Ronaldo]

Would bringing in a free kick specialist be worth the venture. I know jozy can takem but doesn't, and sebas really lost his form on FKs

[ensco]

These posts are mostly not getting the joke. We need a free kick taker? WTF? You do realize that Messi scores on like 7% of FKs.

We need to do nothing. This is a championship team.

Bradley and Altidore will need rest next year, they will miss games, the USMNT pressure on them is awful, and they need to skip some games here too. Gio needs rest, he clearly played too much. Look at our depth! Give minutes to Delgado, Lovitz, Hamilton etc.

Our problem is that we will lose key guys because of the cap, guaranteed.

[TheGoodson]

We will probably loose Will Johnson to free agency and Beithsour to the expansion draft...

That being said we need to improve the depth of the squad. If we have aspirations of winning CL and the MLS cup this is where we need to upgrade. Our starting 11 is as good as any ever assembled in the MLS. We need depth a CM and RB as there is going to be a lot games next year and we will need all hands on dek

[pprzerac]

I agree with you. This is a championship team. Sure it would have been nice to see Seba do better on set pieces, but we can't count on those to win games.

I think we have good depth at the moment, when looking at other MLS teams. It is going to be interesting to see what happens with the expansion draft.

We only probably need 1 more strong CBS and someone to fill in for when Bradley is off. All our players who play for their respective national teams are going to need time to rest next year

[Milanista]

This team doesn't have to do much but a spot they can improve on is attacking midfielder.

Would be nice having a player that can send Alti and Gio quicker on the attack, open up space for them. Sometimes were a little to static and having someone that can move the ball quickly and spring attacks fast would be awesome to see. This would also give Gio more time on the ball bc the opposing team would have to focus on the AM.

Other than that, some depth players here and there but nothing major.

And the comment about signing someone better at FK is....let us just leave it at that

[PopePouri]

I think Raheem Edwards gets a contract and I'm excited to see what he does in MLS.

[Areathrasher]

My offseason wishes...

A little bit of latin flair/Copa Lib experience for the CCL run - preferably a winger/10 type.

An experienced CB that can play 3-5-2. I worry about the backline if Moor gets an injury.

Use the TAM on something other than trades.

[Gringo Starr]

It's so nice to have an off season without any holes to fill or needs to fix, just depth cover and maybe address a want. I'm excited by this squad and can't wait for next year. If Jozy truly has figured out his hamstring issues we can get an internal bump from the big man rampaging for an entire season-he's still just entering his prime years

[Soccer Mum]

I think Raheem Edwards gets a contract and I'm excited to see what he does in MLS.

Really excited by him!

[morgank1986]

TFC decides not to exercise options on defender Clement Simonin, midfielders Chris Mannella, Daniel Lovitz and Benoit Cheyrou.

Follow

Per John Molinaro's Twitter (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)

[Areathrasher]

Full release. I'd imagine they will be negotiating with a few of these on new/lower deals. Cooper having his option picked up means they are buying him, yea?


Toronto FC announced Monday that it has exercised contract options on 13 players and have not exercised options on four players, four players are out of contract, while six players are already under guaranteed contracts for the 2017 season.
Toronto FC has exercised the contract options on goalkeepers Clint Irwin and Alex Bono; defenders Drew Moor, Nick Hagglund, Eriq Zavaleta, Mark Bloom; midfielders Jonathan Osorio, Armando Cooper, Jay Chapman and Tsubasa Endoh and forwards Tosaint Ricketts, Jordan Hamilton and Mo Babouli.
The six players already under contract for the 2017 season are: defenders Justin Morrow and Steven Beitashour; midfielders Michael Bradley, Marky Delgado and forwards Sebastian Giovinco and Jozy Altidore.
Toronto FC has not exercised options on defender Clement Simonin, midfielders Chris Mannella, Daniel Lovitz and Benoit Cheyrou. In addition, goalkeeper Quillan Roberts, defenders Ashtone Morgan, Josh Williams and midfielder Will Johnson will all be out of contract at the end of the year. Lovitz, Morgan and Williams are eligible for the MLS Re-Entry Draft.
“This group of players have made us all proud and represented the club admirably in what was a historic year. We are pleased to have many returning for 2017 as we continue to build a stable and productive team that competes for championships,” said Toronto FC General Manager Tim Bezbatchenko. "We will continue to discuss with those out of contract and whose options were declined as we now turn to the offseason and prepare to build for the 2017 season.”

Toronto FC’s 2017 roster as it currently stands:

Goalkeepers (2): Alex Bono, Clint Irwin
Defenders (6): Steven Beitashour, Mark Bloom, Nick Hagglund, Drew Moor, Justin Morrow, Eriq Zavaleta
Midfielders (6): Michael Bradley, Jay Chapman, Armando Cooper, Marky Delgado, Tsubasa Endoh, Jonathan Osorio
Forwards (5): Jozy Altidore, Mo Babouli, Sebastian Giovinco, Jordan Hamilton, Tosaint Ricketts

[PopePouri]

TFC decides not to exercise options on defender Clement Simonin, midfielders Chris Mannella, Daniel Lovitz and Benoit Cheyrou.

Follow

Per John Molinaro's Twitter (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)

I think they'll lock up Cheyrou only out of that group.

A pity about Simonin. Looked classy on the ball but hampered by injuries.

[flamehawk]

I will be so disappointed if we lose Morgan (my favourite player) and Roberts .. hope they get re-signed. I really hate the constant roster turnover with MLS.

[fsimon]

With the expansion draft, players whose options weren't picked up can they be selected? Could this be another way to protect players from the draft beyond the protected 11? Could they say possibly have a deal in the works with X and then sign them after the draft. At the same time maybe get Cheyrou on a more cap friendly deal? Sorry I'm not 100% familiar with the expansion draft and protection.

[Ruffian]

I would assume Morgan will be back. Inexpensive depth in MLS is very important to manage the cap.

[ouderwien]

Isn't Cooper on loan?
How long is the loan?

[ouderwien]

Also it would be a shame to loose Roberts and Morgan, as I have a super soft spot for our academy boys, however, I can't see them getting any better then they are now.

[Red CB Toronto]

I believe there is a pretty good chance Beniot returns in 2017. By declining his contract option for next year it gives Bez and company some flexibility with his cap hit, thus trying to re-up him at a lower salary.

[Red CB Toronto]

I will be curious in terms of the players who have spent the last season or two with Toronto FC II, who gets a real shot this pre-season to earn a first team contract? I would think the list would start with the three players who made first team appearances this season on short term deals in Edwards, James and Johnson and go from there.

[RealG-TFC]

Controversial unrelated thought: I wonder if Jonathan De Guzman would be available. Sort of fits an attacking midfielder role some of us want, can strike from distance (at least fk), and follows the team to a certain degree (Instagram). If he won us a cup and aided on a deep ccl run it would certainly absolve him in my book. And he seems to regularly come to the city for children's development programs. Just a thought. Oh yeah he's local.

[gracos]

Out of the players on our team after today's announcement; who should we protect from the entry draft

This is who I would choose

Jozy Altidore
Sebastian Giovinco
Tosaint Ricketts
Michael Bradley
Armando Cooper
Jonathan Osorio
Steven Beitashour
Drew Moor
Justin Morrow
Clint Irwin
Nick Hagglund

who would you choose to protect (11 players)

[Phil]

My Money is on Cheyrou will retire. As for Morgan I am not sure he will return to us either.

[Ruffian]

Controversial unrelated thought: I wonder if Jonathan De Guzman would be available. Sort of fits an attacking midfielder role some of us want, can strike from distance (at least fk), and follows the team to a certain degree (Instagram). If he won us a cup and aided on a deep ccl run it would certainly absolve him in my book. And he seems to regularly come to the city for children's development programs. Just a thought. Oh yeah he's local.

I would love to see it just for the drama!

[Still Kicking]

Not quite sure if this news belongs in this thread or in a news thread..

from SBI

In retirement news, Sporting Kansas City midfielder Paolo Nagamura declared he’s hanging up his boots at the age of 33. Nagamura will take up a role on the coaching staff of the club’s USL affiliate, Swope Park Rangers.

That is one more year 1 2007 TFC player ending his playing days.

Just Edu and Wynne left?

[notthesun]

Full list of available free agents this off-season. Keep in mind some of these names could disappear if they re-sign with their current club before free-agency begins.

CHI Nick Labrocca
CLB Corey Ashe
CLB Conor Casey
CLB Tyson Wahl
COL Sebastian Le Toux
COL Marco Pappa
DC Sean Franklin
HOU DaMarcus Beasley
HOU David Horst
KC Justin Mapp
KC Chance Myers
KC Paula Nagamura
KC Jacob Peterson
LA Alan Gordon
LA Jeff Larentowicz
LA Mike Magee
MTL Eric Kronberg
MTL Dominic Oduro
NE Darrius Barnes
NYRB Kyle Reynish
NYC Mehdi Ballouchy
NYC Jason Hernandez
ORL Kevin Alston
POR Nat Borchers
POR Ned Grabavoy
POR Jack Jewsbury
RSL Javier Morales
RSL Jamison Olave
RSL Chris Wingert
SEA Herculez Gomez
SEA Zach Scott
SEA Nathan Sturgis
SJ Chad Barrett
SJ Clarence Goodson
SJ Steven Lenhart
SJ Marvell Wynne
TOR Will Johnson

Not a whole lot to get excited about. Johnson is probably the biggest name here. Oduro will have suitors if Montreal doesn't re-sign him. For TFC, besides possibly re-signing Johnson, I only see us being maybe interested in Franklin as an option if we lose Beitashour in the expansion draft.

[Red CB Toronto]

I think Andy Welsh played for some low division non-league team in England this season. A few of the young domestic reserves from the first season are also still kicking around like Nana Attakora.


Not quite sure if this news belongs in this thread or in a news thread..

from SBI

In retirement news, Sporting Kansas City midfielder Paolo Nagamura declared he’s hanging up his boots at the age of 33. Nagamura will take up a role on the coaching staff of the club’s USL affiliate, Swope Park Rangers.

That is one more year 1 2007 TFC player ending his playing days.

Just Edu and Wynne left?

[Jpexxx]

The full protected list is: Jozy Altidore, Michael Bradley, Armando Cooper, Marky Delgado, Tsubasa Endoh, Sebastian Giovinco, Nick Hagglund, Drew Moor, Justin Morrow, Jonathan Osorio and Eriq Zavaleta.
Those automatically protected are: Alex Bono, Jay Chapman, Jordan Hamilton, Chris Mannella, Ashtone Morgan and Quillan Roberts.
Those exposed are: Steven Beitashour, Josh Williams, Mark Bloom, Will Johnson, Tosaint Ricketts, Clint Irwin, Daniel Lovitz, Benoit Cheyrou, Clement Simonin and Mo Babouli.


Found here:
http://www.wakingthered.com/2016/12/12/13923408/clint-irwin-steven-beitashour-left-unprotected-by-toronto-fc-for-mls-expansion-draft

[ManUtd4ever]

We have quality starters and very good depth players exposed.

[Red CB Toronto]

We have quality starters and very good depth players exposed.

Beitashour is the one real calculated risk here the Reds have taken leaving him unprotected. Guess they must believe there is a pretty good chance he goes unselected due to being a larger ticket from a financial standpoint.

[Jpexxx]

Gotta figure when it comes to Ricketts that with Atlana already pretty much maxing out on their INTL Spots they won't bother with him (even if he is a fantastic off the bench option)... Leaving only Minny as possibly grabbing him..

As for Irwin, with Atlanta bringing Guzan in, again it's really only Minny again we need to worry about swooping in.

[Bobo]

Would love to see Williams get picked, considering he makes almost as much as Zavaleta and Hagglund combined, but you have to assume Irwin at around 100k is a safe bet for Minnesota. Beitashour could be an option but at 230k, his value isn't nearly as high.

[Ruffian]

Marvell Wynne to replace Beita if he is taken.

[dupont]

Wowzers at Irwin. Are we that confident about Bono because of his play when Irwin went down injured?

[sn0re]

Gotta figure when it comes to Ricketts that with Atlana already pretty much maxing out on their INTL Spots they won't bother with him (even if he is a fantastic off the bench option)... Leaving only Minny as possibly grabbing him..

As for Irwin, with Atlanta bringing Guzan in, again it's really only Minny again we need to worry about swooping in.

If they want to keep Irwin, I guess that TFC can trade allocation money for Irwin (or for any player that is selected). That is what they did with Lovitz and NYCFC

[ensco]

It's very interesting to me that Irwin's option was picked up and he was exposed.

I would not spend 5 seconds thinking about who we exposed in the context of what Atlanta and Minnesota "need". Most of what happens tomorrow will be about guys getting flipped by the expansion teams for allocation and/or pieces they actually do need. That is what we did with literally every player we took in 2007. (I think 9 of 10 were gone the same day, iirc)

It is going to be crazy tomorrow, one of the wildest days in MLS history.

[Red CB Toronto]

It's very interesting to me that Irwin's option was picked up and he was exposed.

I would not spend 5 seconds thinking about who we exposed in the context of what Atlanta and Minnesota "need". Most of what happens tomorrow will be about guys getting flipped by the expansion teams for allocation and/or pieces they actually do need. That is what we did with literally every player we took in 2007. (I think 9 of 10 were gone the same day, iirc)

It is going to be crazy tomorrow, one of the wildest days in MLS history.

Yes, only Paulo Nagamura was with the team when the season started and he was gone by the fifth game of the season in a trade with Chivas USA.

[jloome]

It's very interesting to me that Irwin's option was picked up and he was exposed.

I would not spend 5 seconds thinking about who we exposed in the context of what Atlanta and Minnesota "need". Most of what happens tomorrow will be about guys getting flipped by the expansion teams for allocation and/or pieces they actually do need. That is what we did with literally every player we took in 2007. (I think 9 of 10 were gone the same day, iirc)

It is going to be crazy tomorrow, one of the wildest days in MLS history.

Doyle had a story on mlssoccer.com the other day noting that we were the exception, not the rule, on volume flipping, and that the fewer pieces traded away from the expansion draft, the better teams have done.

I'll be surprised if Minnesota doesn't take Ricketts. Any time you have a player with Olympic speed who has demonstrated he can perform in the clutch, coaches are going to give him serious consideration.

[ensco]

Doyle had a story on mlssoccer.com the other day noting that we were the exception, not the rule, on volume flipping, and that the fewer pieces traded away from the expansion draft, the better teams have done.

I'll be surprised if Minnesota doesn't take Ricketts. Any time you have a player with Olympic speed who has demonstrated he can perform in the clutch, coaches are going to give him serious consideration.

I just posted something in the other thread - I agree, Ricketts is the likelier pick.

But I think they'll auction him, he is older, his value is as a finishing piece for a decent team.

[Initial B]

The fact that they exposed Irwin makes me think they're going to use TAM on a world-class keeper (not a DP spot). Imagine using TAM to spend down a million-dollar keeper to $200K? He would have to be a wall when it came to penalty kicks.

[Richard]

The fact that they exposed Irwin makes me think they're going to use TAM on a world-class keeper (not a DP spot). Imagine using TAM to spend down a million-dollar keeper to $200K? He would have to be a wall when it came to penalty kicks.

Only an idiot would spend DP money on a keeper in this league. From everything we've seen this season I am led to believe we don't have incompetent fools running the ship anymore.

[shwade]

Damn, I hope we don't lose Ricketts.

[Abou Sky]

Regarding Irwin, Zac Macmath is almost certainly going to be available.

[Areathrasher]

Regarding Irwin, Zac Macmath is almost certainly going to be available.

Colorado announced they signed him to a deal today then protected him for the ED. Seems like he's happy to play #2 in Colorado.


n addition, goalkeeper Zac MacMath, defender Jared Watts, and midfielders Micheal Azira, Sam Cronin and Marlon Hairston have all re-signed with the club to long-term deals.

[jazzy]

Giovinco was pretty damn good in the playoffs, despite not being at his best last night. He set up three (or two?) goals against Montreal and destroyed NYC. He was all over the Philly game, too, scoring one and involved in the setup of the other two.

I don't know about letting Irwin go. He was solid this season and did a good job. I think between him and Moor, we have good leadership at the back and Zavaleta and Hagglund are really developing well. I agree we will have to replace Cheyrou and maybe Johnson and hope we can sign Cooper.

agreed, True Bio had better games , I think we'll see a more mature Gif next year , trying to be more productive as a team member , realizing he can't do it all himself . No one can . I believe he wasn't afraid of the cold but it did shock him and he gave it his best shot . He can't be faulted if the team constantly try's to send high long balls his way . Never understood that . I don't think the team does the deciding on Irwin . He stays if not taken in the draft , although we don't have much $$$ this year , someone has to go . Maybe Beitashour , he's making approx $250,000 , and Hagland $63.000 . They'll have to give him a raise .

[OgtheDim]

Colorado announced they signed him to a deal today then protected him for the ED. Seems like he's happy to play #2 in Colorado.

Bet ya they said he's the #1 in 2018.

[Auzzy]

agreed, True Bio had better games , I think we'll see a more mature Gif next year , trying to be more productive as a team member , realizing he can't do it all himself . No one can . I believe he wasn't afraid of the cold but it did shock him and he gave it his best shot . He can't be faulted if the team constantly try's to send high long balls his way . Never understood that . I don't think the team does the deciding on Irwin . He stays if not taken in the draft , although we don't have much $$$ this year , someone has to go . Maybe Beitashour , he's making approx $250,000 , and Hagland $63.000 . They'll have to give him a raise .

I assume the auto-complete on your phone is having fun with Gio's name: Bio; Gif... :D

[Ajax TFC]

agreed, True Bio had better games , I think we'll see a more mature Gif next year , trying to be more productive as a team member , realizing he can't do it all himself . No one can . I believe he wasn't afraid of the cold but it did shock him and he gave it his best shot . He can't be faulted if the team constantly try's to send high long balls his way . Never understood that . I don't think the team does the deciding on Irwin . He stays if not taken in the draft , although we don't have much $$$ this year , someone has to go . Maybe Beitashour , he's making approx $250,000 , and Hagland $63.000 . They'll have to give him a raise .
Why would we have less money next year to pay for the same squad? Presumably we were eating some of Gomez (240k) and Moore's (215k) salaries this season as they were waived after they already bought out Kantari. We also have Perquis (378k) and Josh Williams (125k) coming off the books. Should be plenty to keep current players at close to their current salaries and reinvest the rest in whatever improvements they see fit. And no, they don't have to give Hagglund a raise. They exercised his option, which was likely no more than the standard minimal salary increase.

[Red CB Toronto]

I just posted something in the other thread - I agree, Ricketts is the likelier pick.

But I think they'll auction him, he is older, his value is as a finishing piece for a decent team.

Even though he would take up an international player spot?

[Auzzy]

Why would we have less money next year to pay for the same squad? Presumably we were eating some of Gomez (240k) and Moore's (215k) salaries this season as they were waived after they already bought out Kantari. We also have Perquis (378k) and Josh Williams (125k) coming off the books. Should be plenty to keep current players at close to their current salaries and reinvest the rest in whatever improvements they see fit. And no, they don't have to give Hagglund a raise. They exercised his option, which was likely no more than the standard minimal salary increase.

Plus doesn't TFC have a bunch of TAM stashed, in addition to the league-wide TAM increase this year? And maybe some more allocation for making the next round of CCL?

[Hamilton_Red]

Doyle had a story on mlssoccer.com the other day noting that we were the exception, not the rule, on volume flipping, and that the fewer pieces traded away from the expansion draft, the better teams have done.

I'll be surprised if Minnesota doesn't take Ricketts. Any time you have a player with Olympic speed who has demonstrated he can perform in the clutch, coaches are going to give him serious consideration.

Oduro was left un-protected as well. Might go for him instead?

[Blindside16]

If Irwin is the one statistically speaking we are no worse of. We are in fact, just based off numbers, technically in a better spot. Irwin was in 19 games, saw 77 shots, made 54 saves with 23 goals allowed. That translates into 1.21 GA/Gm and a save % of .688%. Bono on the other hand, played in 16 games, saw 60 shots, made 44 saves and allowing 16 goals against. That works out to 1 GA/Gm and a save % of .700%. I will admit, Bono scared the shit out of me more than Irwin did in goal, and I think Irwin calls a better game from the back. If we just base it off numbers though, it is a coin flip. I think this MAY have played a factor as to why they left Irwin exposed. They may also be trying to distract from the fact Ricketts is available. It will be interesting to see how things shake down tomorrow afternoon.

[OgtheDim]

Oduro was left un-protected as well. Might go for him instead?

After that series?

No way.

[Hamilton_Red]

Og he scored two goals against us.

What time is the draft?

[Voodooman]

Og he scored two goals against us.

What time is the draft?

2 pm

[jabbronies]

we won't lose Ricketts - Not worth brining him on as an expansion club (super-sub)

Beitashour, Will Johnson or Clint Irwin are the most likely candidates.

[C.Ronaldo]

we can always trade back for whom ever they take if we deem it necessary, we jus trade back the garber bucks and some unused orange balls

[Voodooman]

We did that for Lovitz when New York picked him. So yes a trade back for garber bucks always a possibility.

[Auzzy]

Can't we talk expansion draft stuff in the expansion draft thread?

[reggie]

COOPER is signed for next season.

[SirBobSaget]

Looking at the Salary release from Sept, no "wow that guy is earning that much!" reactions to any listings. Well except Johnson but he is off the books now. They are getting great or at least reasonable value for each contract.

Surprised that Ricketts is only on 80k, that is incredible value especially considering TFC's strategy was to overpay for backup forwards like Oduro, Luke Moore and Robbie Findlay in the 250k range.

[rydermike]

Oduro was left un-protected as well. Might go for him instead?

Oduro was a free agent, like Johnson, so that's why he was unprotected. Usually to select a guy in the Expansion Draft at 2pm, when he becomes a free agent at 5pm. Just wait those 3 hours and get someone else

[backbeat]

so Jozy thinks we need a creative attacking player, either a winger or AM type - and i agree - would love to see this

[C.Ronaldo]

Chapman was becoming that

[notthesun]

We're now in the market for a backup RB with Bloom gone, who made 101k. I don't expect anyone from TFC II to fill that role, so we should look within the league. These are most obvious options.

Kevin Alston, 28 years old, made 130k, made 24 appearances last season for ORL, free agent.
Chance Myers, 29, 225k, 11 appearances with SKC, free agent.
Chris Wingert, 34, 235k, 21 appearances with RSL, free agent.
Atiba Harris, 31, 143k, 30 appearances with DAL, available in the re-entry draft.
Tyrone Mears, 33, 184k, 38 appearances with SEA, available in the re-entry draft.

Alston would probably be my first choice if we look within the league for a replacement and we don't make a trade.

[ensco]

^Most of those guys want to play.

Marvell Wynne, FTW

[molenshtain]

Chapman was becoming that

yup. Only problem I have with Signing Cooper means Chapman won't get the minutes he needs. His upside is higher than Cooper's and his skillset is more valuable.

[OgtheDim]

Og he scored two goals against us.

?

And told everybody in the South to SSSSHHHHHHHHHH.

Eff em

[woolly]

We need a cheap backup RB you say?

Release the Gargan!

[TFC07]

Is there any good RB in the draft this year? I highly doubt we going to spend much money on backup RB.

[ag futbol]

yup. Only problem I have with Signing Cooper means Chapman won't get the minutes he needs. His upside is higher than Cooper's and his skillset is more valuable.
I think Vanney is pretty fair about who gets playing time. There's still room to take minutes in place of WJ or someone else during absences / injuries / whatever. Especially with 3 completions on the books next year.

[OgtheDim]

we can always trade back for whom ever they take if we deem it necessary, we jus trade back the garber bucks and some unused orange balls


Now that you mention it, Mark Bloom did have a bit of a weird tan.

[TFC07]

Don't forget TFC will be playing more games next year due to CCL. So TFC younger players will have their chances to play some games.

[OgtheDim]

^Most of those guys want to play.

Marvell Wynne, FTW

Doubtful, Vanney like his defenders to be able to defend 1 on 1.

[OgtheDim]

Oh, and did somebody mention that Cooper is now permanently TFC?

[BendItLikeGio]

Oh, and did somebody mention that Cooper is now permanently TFC?

Yep that is true :) :)

[reggie]

Oh, and did somebody mention that Cooper is now permanently TFC?
i did about 7 hrs ago.

[jazzy]

I assume the auto-complete on your phone is having fun with Gio's name: Bio; Gif... :D

true ......I should be a model of phone incompetence . Not unlike in the past , the elderly's of VCR's ....

[Initial B]

We're now in the market for a backup RB with Bloom gone, who made 101k. I don't expect anyone from TFC II to fill that role, so we should look within the league. Since they'll be looking for a backup, I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up an RB in the Superdraft.

[notthesun]

Since they'll be looking for a backup, I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up an RB in the Superdraft.

Honestly, the draft completely slipped my mind, so good point. Since we're going to have the second last pick in each round though (and may not have our 1st round pick due to the trade when first acquiring Irwin), I have to doubt we come out of it with a player that could really play a role, but we'll see.

[Hamilton_Red]

And told everybody in the South to SSSSHHHHHHHHHH.

Eff em

My bad grammer. Wasn't suggesting that we bring him back - just that the drafters might pick him over Rickets.

[reggie]

i think they have the 5th pick in the second rd?

[OgtheDim]

According to https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2016/12/12/toronto-fc-exercises-options-on-13-players.html




The team declined to exercise options on Simonin, Mannella, Lovitz and Cheyrou.
Roberts, Morgan, Williams and Johnson will all be out of contract at the end of the year. Johnson, a free agent, may engage in negotiations with all MLS clubs as of Tuesday at 5 p.m. ET.
Lovitz, Morgan and Williams are eligible for the MLS re-entry draft. The first stage of that draft begins Friday, Dec. 16 with the second stage coming Thursday, Dec. 22.


Might see Lovitz or Williams go in the re-entry.

[Bobo]

Really liked Bloom but losing him was actually a good thing. Now TFC can go for a RB who has the qualities to play in a 3-5-2 to give Beitashour some rest.

[ag futbol]

My shopping list would be as follows:

1) defensive midfielder to provide cover when Bradley is on international duty.
2) Another CB for depth - which maybe could be Williams if he returns
3) Attack-minded fullback / winger who provides a different look than the players we have. If we had someone in that spot who could consistently take on a man and cut in from wide areas to shoot we'd be taking it to another level.

The interesting thing in all this is the rumours around increased TAM could leave us with money to spend, even after signing cooper.

[ensco]

My shopping list would be as follows:

1) defensive midfielder to provide cover when Bradley is on international duty.
2) Another CB for depth - which maybe could be Williams if he returns
3) Attack-minded fullback / winger who provides a different look than the players we have. If we had someone in that spot who could consistently take on a man and cut in from wide areas to shoot we'd be taking it to another level.

The interesting thing in all this is the rumours around increased TAM could leave us with money to spend, even after signing cooper.

1) Delgado
2) Agree, this is a hole, but one I expect them to fill relatively easily/cheaply
3) Agree. We cannot go 3-5-2 all year, it'll wear the fullbacks out. I think this should be a summer signing though, let's try some kids as wingers in the first half. Could Hamilton play the wing?

[notthesun]

1) Delgado
2) Agree, this is a hole, but one I expect them to fill relatively easily/cheaply
3) Agree. We cannot go 3-5-2 all year, it'll wear the fullbacks out. I think this should be a summer signing though, let's try some kids as wingers in the first half. Could Hamilton play the wing?

On 3), that's a role I'm hoping Raheem Edwards can fill. I don't expect Lovitz back, Edwards is a nice replacement as he is also left-footed, but has more offensive upside I think.

[Cas87]

From seeing everyone write so far I would have to agree Raheem Edwards is the most likely to get a contract with the senior team.
Next best guess would be Skyler Thomas (as IIRC he is a CB) for depth (probably getting loaned back and forth to TFC2).

Otherwise, it doesn't look as though there is much use in the waiver or re-entry drafts.

Will Johnson or Benoit Cheyrou as the cover DM depth for when Bradley is away (feel like Cheyrou would be more open to a bench role).

My personal opinion off of the Free Agent list that is available would be the best for depth with us would be:
Jeff Larenowitcz (as centre-back or DM)
Nat Borchers

and just because I liked them when they played for us:
Chad Barrett
Alan Gordon
** Both would be the 4th option strikers behind Ricketts. Hamilton and Babouli sharing most of the time with TFC2 to get chemistry together ala Jozy and Seba

[KRO]

we won't lose Ricketts - Not worth brining him on as an expansion club (super-sub)

Beitashour, Will Johnson or Clit Irwin are the most likely candidates.

You may want to check your spelling of Clint.

[mistercorporate]

L o l

[PopePouri]

https://media.balls.ie/uploads/2013/08/dempsey-banner.jpg

[C.Ronaldo]

You may want to check your spelling of Clint.

pretty sure irwin hates it when he gets called out by his full name.

heheheheee, thats the special spot

[ManUtd4ever]

1) Delgado
2) Agree, this is a hole, but one I expect them to fill relatively easily/cheaply
3) Agree. We cannot go 3-5-2 all year, it'll wear the fullbacks out. I think this should be a summer signing though, let's try some kids as wingers in the first half. Could Hamilton play the wing?

Not sure if Hamilton has the pace to be as effective on the wing. To be honest, the one area we are sorely lacking is natural wingers, which is why Vanney was somewhat limited in his tactical approach.

[Auzzy]

Other than backfilling some backup spots (from academy & drafts) I agree with Jozy RE a "creative player." Even if it's a veteran to provide some minutes and leadership. Maybe Osorio, Cooper and/or Chapman can play that role with time. So far it doesn't look too great I think.

I started looking at the stats but ran out of time. I think if you compare our player stats with those from other successful MLS teams, we got a relatively low number of goals and assists from our midfielder. I think we need more threat options from the midfield, especially when Jozy or Giovinco are marked tightly, or not on the pitch for whatever reason.

[TMAN80]

There was a segment on the fan590 at 1030 this morning, and it had mentioned Bradley may not be back next season. Did anyone manage to catch what was said? Molinaro was coming up after some commercials to explain, but I wasn't able listen to it.

[notthesun]

Looks like Mannella is gone.

https://twitter.com/c10mannella/status/809111566067134466

[Carter]

There was a segment on the fan590 at 1030 this morning, and it had mentioned Bradley may not be back next season. Did anyone manage to catch what was said? Molinaro was coming up after some commercials to explain, but I wasn't able listen to it.

Bradley is not going any where.. Well according to him.

michaelbr4dley (https://www.instagram.com/michaelbr4dley/)Toronto,
I'm sorry. Sorry we couldn't give you the perfect ending. The ending that every single one of you deserved. Sports can be cruel. Not for the faint of heart. And Saturday night was the perfect example. We left our hearts and souls on the field. For each other. For you. For the city. And just like that it was over. Dreams shattered. Tears shed. But its not finished. It doesn't end like this. I landed in Toronto on a cold night almost three years ago. Ready to give you everything. And believe me when I say I have. And then some. I've made mistakes. Plenty of them. But always with one thing in mind. To give you the team you deserve and nights you'd never forget. If there's one thing I've learned along the way it's that it wouldn't be Toronto if it came too easy. The pain and heartbreak of the last two days have made one thing very clear. I've never been more proud to call TFC my club and Toronto my home. Together our time will come. #AllForOne (https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/allforone/)

[SenorDingDong]

I think that Montreal second leg game really cemented Toronto as a place these guys want to be.

[TMAN80]

Bradley is not going any where.. Well according to him.

michaelbr4dley (https://www.instagram.com/michaelbr4dley/)Toronto,
I'm sorry. Sorry we couldn't give you the perfect ending. The ending that every single one of you deserved. Sports can be cruel. Not for the faint of heart. And Saturday night was the perfect example. We left our hearts and souls on the field. For each other. For you. For the city. And just like that it was over. Dreams shattered. Tears shed. But its not finished. It doesn't end like this. I landed in Toronto on a cold night almost three years ago. Ready to give you everything. And believe me when I say I have. And then some. I've made mistakes. Plenty of them. But always with one thing in mind. To give you the team you deserve and nights you'd never forget. If there's one thing I've learned along the way it's that it wouldn't be Toronto if it came too easy. The pain and heartbreak of the last two days have made one thing very clear. I've never been more proud to call TFC my club and Toronto my home. Together our time will come. #AllForOne (https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/allforone/)


Yeah I read that as well, but that was Sunday or Monday I believe...this was today, and seemed like it was maybe something new. Really hope you're right!

[Red CB Toronto]

Michael Bradley is not going anywhere at this point unless a once in a lifetime opportunity popped up out of nowhere. With a young family including a daughter who was born here he is just not going to go anywhere. At the wage he is earning the lifestyle he can enjoy in our world class city and all that it offers it would really take something for him to leave.

[brad]

I could have seen Bradley going if we'd won the cup. I don't see him walking away though after coming that close. Seems like the kind of guy that would stick around next season to see it through. And his post certainly makes it seem like he is staying.

Of course, that assumes no big teams come in for him (which is unlikely)

[DinamoTFC]

I hope we find a new Amado Guevara type player.

[backbeat]

I hope we find a new Amado Guevara type player.


that is the exact type of attacking player i'd love to see us get....and a winger - a Ronnie O'Brien type of player that can place the ball in the box

[burlington Red]

Michael Bradley is not going anywhere at this point unless a once in a lifetime opportunity popped up out of nowhere. With a young family including a daughter who was born here he is just not going to go anywhere. At the wage he is earning the lifestyle he can enjoy in our world class city and all that it offers it would really take something for him to leave.


a few months ago I was more inclined to say he would leave in the off season. Not I'm not so sure anymore, his recent statement sounded very positive about staying here in Toronto. I've been around long enough to take what footballers say with a huge degree of skepticism, but he was pretty optimistic about the future of the club. You never know what is around the corner, he left a world class city in Rome with a 2 yr son to come here. I haven't always been his biggest fan, but I thought he was immense in play offs. A real leader, I hope he does stay. The club has the foundation to really kick on, a couple of additions are still needed, but I'm a lot more hopeful that Bradley will stay than i was a few months back..

[flamehawk]

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/12/14/mls-releases-full-list-eligible-players-2016-waiver-draft

Waiver Draft List out.. no TFC players appear. I thought we had a bunch here, but I guess they'll be a part of the re-entry draft instead.. mls is confusing.

Of note, Welshman is on the list. Always liked him, I wonder if he can be picked and sent to TFC 2?

[Cas87]

With all these MLS drafts happening I am ready:

https://frinkiac.com/gif/S03E14/51068/56290.gif?b64lines=

[notthesun]

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/12/14/mls-releases-full-list-eligible-players-2016-waiver-draft

Waiver Draft List out.. no TFC players appear. I thought we had a bunch here, but I guess they'll be a part of the re-entry draft instead.. mls is confusing.

Of note, Welshman is on the list. Always liked him, I wonder if he can be picked and sent to TFC 2?

Waiver draft is for players that don't qualify for the re-entry draft (you need certain combinations of age + years in the league to qualify). Basically the waiver draft is mostly for young and new players.

Rodrigo Ramos is available, RB that played 20 games with Chicago and earned 84k. He'd be a decent backup, but would take up an international slot. I had thought his loan from Brazil would be over and that he'd be heading back but I guess not... Anyways, I'm pretty sure we're going to pass on our selection, I doubt there's anyone we're seriously considering here and I doubt even more that they would still be available with our 4th-last pick.

[gdg_9]

What's the deal with Jordan Smith?
I remember hearing his name as a potential replacement for Whitecaps losing Beitashour to us last season.
I guess he just flamed out?

[notthesun]

What's the deal with Jordan Smith?
I remember hearing his name as a potential replacement for Whitecaps losing Beitashour to us last season.
I guess he just flamed out?

Pretty much. They also let Fraser Aird go after his loan and they just traded for Sheanon Williams from Houston. They've acquired 3 players now in trying to replace Beitashour, it was a terrible move on their part to get rid of him.

[PopePouri]

Right Back Jordan McCrary is available after one year with NE. He was highly touted during last year's superdraft behind Keegan Rosenberry and he was taken 10th overall.

Could be someone we could take a flyer on as backup for Beitashour.

[ag futbol]

What's the deal with Jordan Smith?
I remember hearing his name as a potential replacement for Whitecaps losing Beitashour to us last season.
I guess he just flamed out?
Started strong but really went downhill.

This is my cautionary tale for people who want to replace beitashour.

[Cas87]

Right Back Jordan McCrary is available after one year with NE. He was highly touted during last year's superdraft behind Keegan Rosenberry and he was taken 10th overall.

Could be someone we could take a flyer on as backup for Beitashour.

Young, inexpensive, and seems like needing to be moulded to the rigours of the professional game.

Seems like a perfect fit to be in the mix for the bench along with Morgan (when he likely re-signs with us).

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/809490827479314432

I posted about Akinola in the TFC II thread recently. Our best attacking prospect.

[flamehawk]

No picks made.


https://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/809490827479314432

I posted about Akinola in the TFC II thread recently. Our best attacking prospect.

He is a great prospect. I just hope someone can convince him to switch allegiances to Canada.

[molenshtain]

Really hope we can Sign Akinola before he goes to Europe. One of the 5-10 best prospects on the continent.

[reggie]

can he just walk or does tfc own his rights?

[notthesun]

can he just walk or does tfc own his rights?

He's just in the academy, so he can sign wherever he wants (assuming there are no restrictions against signing a player his age elsewhere).

[reggie]

so they wont get a penny in a transfer?

sidenote...no movement in the draft today.

[molenshtain]

so they wont get a penny in a transfer?

They'd probably have to pay a small mandatory compensation. like 50k or something. Don't think he can move elsewhere in MLS though

[reggie]

They'd probably have to pay a small mandatory compensation. like 50k or something. Don't think he can move elsewhere in MLS though
great..thx

[notthesun]

so they wont get a penny in a transfer?

They wouldn't because it wouldn't be a transfer, he's not a TFC or TFC II player.

I think it's likely he signs a homegrown deal with us rather than him going to Europe. Very young kid, raised in Brampton, I think the appeal of playing professionally at home would be big. You never know though.

Shows that we value him pretty highly to be offering a senior team contract before his 17th birthday, and with European clubs sniffing around too, he could end up being a great player. 21 goals this calendar year for the U.S. U-17 team.

[TFC/Everton]

https://twitter.com/SoccerByIves/status/809490827479314432

I posted about Akinola in the TFC II thread recently. Our best attacking prospect.

There is that new MLS rule that allows teams to spend allocation money specifically on homegrowns. Also known as the Jordan Morris rule. I really hope he signs with us.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

He'd be stupid to try Europe right off the bat.

[Blindside16]

No love from the Vegas odds makers. They have us at 11-1 for winning the cup next year. What I don't get how are LA (11-2) and NYCFC (6-1) favoured over us that high?? NYC's defense was brutal and so far all they have done to fix it was sign Sean Johnson. LA still has some talent there but 11-2 odds??? I just don't see it. It's ok, I will take the underdog role for next year.

http://www.wakingthered.com/2016/12/15/13976004/mls-cup-2017-betting-odds-oddsmakers-bovada-dont-particularly-fancy-toronto-fc

[OgtheDim]

Those odds seem based on overseas betting.

[ensco]

It's MLS. Put $100 on the Fire.

[Lennon]

It's MLS. Put $100 on the Fire.

Mhmm. Seattle was 40-1 in August.

FC Dallas at 12-1 jumps out to me as well.

[ryan]

No love from the Vegas odds makers. They have us at 11-1 for winning the cup next year. What I don't get how are LA (11-2) and NYCFC (6-1) favoured over us that high?? NYC's defense was brutal and so far all they have done to fix it was sign Sean Johnson. LA still has some talent there but 11-2 odds??? I just don't see it. It's ok, I will take the underdog role for next year.

http://www.wakingthered.com/2016/12/15/13976004/mls-cup-2017-betting-odds-oddsmakers-bovada-dont-particularly-fancy-toronto-fc

Odds are also influenced by homers/large fan bases. It should be no surprise to see big old LA and NYC overrated on the odds. If the odds are too good on one of those big market teams, money would flood in and should they pull it off, the books would take a loss.

LPT: Betting odds are not solely based on probability.

[Oldtimer]

[mod note] Please stay on topic everyone. This thread is not about betting odds.

:topic: [/mod note]

[ensco]

So, um .... what do we talk about in an offseason roster thread when the team is pretty obviously doing nothing this offseason?

Why aren't we in on Carlos Tevez?

Should we restart some old silly stuff, just for a laugh?

http://www.wakingthered.com/2016/6/19/11973736/lukas-podolski-to-toronto-fc-rumours-mls-china-transfer-talk-summer-window-2016-germany
http://www.onceametro.com/2015/11/7/9688230/rumor-toronto-fc-chasing-roma-daniele-de-rossi-juventus-andrea-barzagli-mls-fabiano-santacroce
http://mlsmultiplex.com/2015/05/02/report-toronto-fc-linked-with-alberto-aquilani/

[reggie]

i think you will see at least 2 signings.manning mentioned that bez was scouting in EUR and SA and they have a few targets,he also said that they will use that tam and the salary cap is in pretty good shape.

[Areathrasher]

i think you will see at least 2 signings.manning mentioned that bez was scouting in EUR and SA and they have a few targets,he also said that they will use that tam and the salary cap is in pretty good shape.

Which interview was that in

[reggie]

Which interview was that in
season ending presser

[michaeltfc91]

All I have to say is if I don't see my boy Ashtone Morgan in a Toronto FC jersey next year, I don't know how I can carry on

PS in addition to Bradley Altidore Giovinco Osorio Morrow and Moor

[Voodooman]

So Ashtone Morgan opted out of Stage 1 of the Re-entry draft....

Guess he wants a new contract

[flamehawk]

I hope that's what it means.

[Voodooman]

TFC has passed on Stage 1.

Anyone looking interesting for Stage 2?

[notthesun]

I didn't think so looking at the list of players, I doubt we pick anyone in the second round.

[Cas87]

As much as it seems as though we aren't interested in anyone in Stage 1 doesn't necessarily mean we won't pick in Stage 2.

Stage 2 I think gives the better value to any of the teams as you can re-negotiate a new contract instead of paying what the player got the previous season.

[Voodooman]

Awesome that Morgan has re-signed!

Figured something was up since he opted out of the draft!

[flamehawk]

What a relief. Hope we hear of Roberts resigning soon too.

[Gringo Starr]

Glad Morgan is back, hard to believe he is still just 25, feels like he's been here forever. He will be useful for the champs league games

[DinamoTFC]

Anyone know how much Marco Pappa was paid (or have that list of salaries) this season. He's a left footed attacking mid/winger who tfc could potentially go after in free agency if the money is right.

Can't say I remember much of him
2016 : 110,000
2015: 75,000

[Hamilton_Red]

Ok - now let's get Johnson signed up.

[Slick]

Ok - now let's get Johnson signed up.

I will be surprised if Johnson is back next season. He wasn't all too happy not being a starter over the last stretch of the season, and he made it clear in a couple of interviews.

[shwade]

I will be surprised if Johnson is back next season. He wasn't all too happy not being a starter over the last stretch of the season, and he made it clear in a couple of interviews.

Sucks hes not down with being a team guy but i doubt he'd consistently start on any other team given his injury history. I forget his exact salary but I don't think anyone will pay him over 220k anymore.

[jloome]

Sucks hes not down with being a team guy but i doubt he'd consistently start on any other team given his injury history. I forget his exact salary but I don't think anyone will pay him over 220k anymore.

I dunno, he's generally seen as an elite number six in this league, just maybe a little injury prone due to his aggressiveness -- so maybe second-tier in reality. He could probably get 220k from someone (like Orlando, who have no bite in the middle).

[Bobo]

I dunno, he's generally seen as an elite number six in this league, just maybe a little injury prone due to his aggressiveness -- so maybe second-tier in reality. He could probably get 220k from someone (like Orlando, who have no bite in the middle).

Always seen him as more of a No. 8, he's played LM/RM more than anything over his career. In any case, he's too pricey to be sitting on the bench, I'd rather TFC use (part of) the money to go after a quality CDM destroyer. And while he isn't as tenacious as Johnson, I expect Chapman (and Delgado) to take the next step this coming season as an outside midfielder.

[ensco]

Always seen him as more of a No. 8, he's played LM/RM more than anything over his career. In any case, he's too pricey to be sitting on the bench, I'd rather TFC use (part of) the money to go after a quality CDM destroyer. And while he isn't as tenacious as Johnson, I expect Chapman (and Delgado) to take the next step this coming season as an outside midfielder.

Why does this keep coming up? Besides Bradley, we have Delgado and Cheyrou as CDMs. That is the absolute last place they will spend.

We need wingers (or another fullback to replace Bloom). All our width came from fullback play.

[C.Ronaldo]

we need osorio to learn to shoot, that or he gets the bench and we pick up a mid field goal scorer

[Areathrasher]

A vet target man would be nice too. Purely as a back up for Jozy

[Ossington Mental Youth]

i think we need back up dancers to really enhance the spirit.

[Areathrasher]

i think we need back up dancers to really enhance the spirit.

The Vanney Cheerleaders can take care of that ;)

[Bobo]

Why does this keep coming up? Besides Bradley, we have Delgado and Cheyrou as CDMs. That is the absolute last place they will spend.

We need wingers (or another fullback to replace Bloom). All our width came from fullback play.

1. Unless there's been an update on Cheyrou's status I'm not aware of, he wont be on the roster come January 1.

2. Neither Delgado nor Cheyrou are destroyers. A destroyer's job is to be a defensive specialist; to sit back, cover the spaces, and break up attacks. Cheyrou is aging and lacks the fitness levels to play it effectively. Even in his prime he was a deep-lying playmaker, not a true CDM. Delgado still lacks a positional sense. The thought of him as next in line to hold the fort in the mid is hardly comforting.

I want someone who can play with Bradley from the CDM position if need be and allow Bradley the freedom to push up, not just replace him when he's away.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

The Vanney Cheerleaders can take care of that ;)

https://giant.gfycat.com/SecretHoarseBumblebee.gif

[Ossington Mental Youth]

been wanting to use that for a min, couldn be more appropriate

[OgtheDim]

I'm hoping they go for a defined link person between Bradley and the front 2. Osorio can't score and Cooper can't make the final pass.

[Gringo Starr]

The second coming of Paul Scholes would be nice

[mistercorporate]

I'm hoping they go for a defined link person between Bradley and the front 2. Osorio can't score and Cooper can't make the final pass.

My sentiments exactly.

[backbeat]

a solid RB who can deliver to the box, a winger who can delivery to the box ala Ronnie O'Brien and/or a TAM AM or CB

[mistercorporate]

Do we even have a proper backup for Drew Moor? We're quite vulnerable at the back without him. That and a proper AM would be nice.

[GuelphStorm2007]

They need a bit more depth at CB and hopefully they can land a AM also

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Curious to see whos not being resigned. Vaguely shocked that Simonen isnt returning. Would have thought theyd have dropped him a while a go if he wasnt able to return. Also wondering how much we have free in the cap. (Queue people speculating $0 - $20 million)

[Shway]

Curious to see whos not being resigned. Vaguely shocked that Simonen isnt returning. Would have thought theyd have dropped him a while a go if he wasnt able to return. Also wondering how much we have free in the cap. (Queue people speculating $0 - $20 million)

He's 26 with 14 pro games under his belt,I'm really surprised they didnt sign Skylar Thomas for backup on the league minimum. The reality is based on the system we play with 3 CB's...we currently have no backup players . Maybe Josh Williams is renegotiating , but it just doesn't make sense to sign a defender to one of the best defensive teams (and GV aint giving up his nephews minutes), so getting the best value for a player may come in the draft????

[Areathrasher]

https://twitter.com/TheCrossbarRSL/status/811027519268786176

From RSL GM. Edwards and Akinola come on down...

[Ossington Mental Youth]

He's 26 with 14 pro games under his belt,I'm really surprised they didnt sign Skylar Thomas for backup on the league minimum. The reality is based on the system we play with 3 CB's...we currently have no backup players . Maybe Josh Williams is renegotiating , but it just doesn't make sense to sign a defender to one of the best defensive teams (and GV aint giving up his nephews minutes), so getting the best value for a player may come in the draft????


Good points. Or elsewhere

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/TheCrossbarRSL/status/811027519268786176

From RSL GM. Edwards and Akinola come on down...

Nice timing for us if this goes through.

[MightyDM]

I'm hoping they go for a defined link person between Bradley and the front 2. Osorio can't score and Cooper can't make the final pass.

Osorio was one of our leading scorers in the Playoffs.

[ag futbol]

I think we are in an enviable position with our current roster, however as salary rules continue to loosen and more mechanisms become available to spend we have to continue improving.

The level of play in MLS has grown incredibly fast over the past 3-4 years.

Really like the tactical formation we developed towards the end of the season. Would love to see it expanded with a few more quality parts.

[PopePouri]

https://twitter.com/TheCrossbarRSL/status/811027519268786176

From RSL GM. Edwards and Akinola come on down...

Edwards won't be homegrown I believe.

[molenshtain]

Edwards won't be homegrown I believe.

Why not?

[molenshtain]

Osorio was one of our leading scorers in the Playoffs.

2 goals in 6 appearances. Extremely small sample size. The last 3 years are a far clearer indication of his abilities.

[Areathrasher]

Edwards won't be homegrown I believe.

How come?

[PopePouri]

How come?

He was signed straight out of L1O or Sheridan and didn't go through the academy I believe. Someone can confirm.

[Shway]

He was signed straight out of L1O or Sheridan and didn't go through the academy I believe. Someone can confirm.

Correct, he was signed out of college (like a draft pick) vs playing in the academy, going to sherridan, then signing with TFCII. But I'm sure they can work around this...its the MLS, right?

[C.Ronaldo]

Correct, he was signed out of college (like a draft pick) vs playing in the academy, going to sherridan, then signing with TFCII. But I'm sure they can work around this...its the MLS, right?

that gives ZERO incentive for kids to go to school here or in the US

that or drop out, apply through academy, the get called up next day

regardless, edwards deserves a shot. he and babouli have the intensity we lose if Will goes

[rydermike]

that gives ZERO incentive for kids to go to school here or in the US

that or drop out, apply through academy, the get called up next day

regardless, edwards deserves a shot. he and babouli have the intensity we lose if Will goes

They can still go to school and be homegrown.
If they go Academy before University they count as homegrown.
Edwards never played in Academy before going to Sheridan. After he signed with our L1O and TFCII (both considered pro teams, not Academy, therefore not eligible for homegrown)

[notthesun]

Johnson has apparently been meeting with Orlando. Larson tweeted some quotes from Bez about how Johnson wants to be a regular starter, playing 90 minutes every week. As I expected, I think Johnson would like to stay but we just can't offer him the playing time. I think he leaves in the end.

Not the worst thing for us, it gives us room to add a more valuable piece (i.e. a goal-scoring midfielder).

[Red CB Toronto]

They can still go to school and be homegrown.
If they go Academy before University they count as homegrown.
Edwards never played in Academy before going to Sheridan. After he signed with our L1O and TFCII (both considered pro teams, not Academy, therefore not eligible for homegrown)

I think L1O is the academy team, so if he played there they may be able to make a case for signing him a homegrown player. Teams have been able to sign players to as homegrown on much dubious connections in the past.

So so if this means the roster is going back to 30, where it was in the past from 28 it will be a big advantage for those with their own USL teams.

You will be able to lure a kid with a homegrown deal which will likely mean more cash and still be able to loan him back to TFC2.

[Areathrasher]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/811275063328645120

[Red CB Toronto]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/811275063328645120

I always thought that would be the case. Great to see, loved what he brought off the bench, plus his veteran presence in the Locker room.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

both areathrasher and i were talking about how hes likely to coach too

[David_Oliveira]

I see Cheyrou retiring with us and joining the academy program as a coach ala Jimmy B and Dichio. His experience in Europe is valuable to the young guys. I thought he would retire this offseason and join the academy but he's also pretty useful off the bench. Depending on what the cost is, not a bad resigning

[ensco]

He told France Football early this year that he really wants to coach, perhaps starting with younger players
http://www.francefootball.fr/news/Mls-benoit-cheyrou-ce-qu-il-se-passe-a-marseille-me-touche-forcement/651566

[Shway]

I think L1O is the academy team, so if he played there they may be able to make a case for signing him a homegrown player. Teams have been able to sign players to as homegrown on much dubious connections in the past.

So so if this means the roster is going back to 30, where it was in the past from 28 it will be a big advantage for those with their own USL teams.

You will be able to lure a kid with a homegrown deal which will likely mean more cash and still be able to loan him back to TFC2.


This is true,but there has to be areason why he's not labelled a homegrown on the tfc ii roster
http://www.torontofc.ca/players/squad/tfcii

[ag futbol]

They (MLS) are being over zealous with the academy thing. In a few years they'll discover they need a wider net to bring prospects up vs. reserving these spots for academy players only.

[OgtheDim]

Given the investment by teams, prioritizing their own products is probably wiser right now.

[19Barrett19]

What about Kamil Grosicki he wants out of France. He would be dinimite in MLS

[19Barrett19]

Leonardo Pisculichi is also a free agent at 32 years of age would be a gamble. But he's talented and if cheyrou takes a pay cut and Johnson is gone money is there.
https://youtu.be/Swis6Kp5yOc

[SirBobSaget]

He told France Football early this year that he really wants to coach, perhaps starting with younger players
http://www.francefootball.fr/news/Mls-benoit-cheyrou-ce-qu-il-se-passe-a-marseille-me-touche-forcement/651566

Thanks for the link, really nice interview.Cheyrou is a class act. Hope they do re-sign him and that he does transition into an academy coach.

[SirBobSaget]

They (MLS) are being over zealous with the academy thing. In a few years they'll discover they need a wider net to bring prospects up vs. reserving these spots for academy players only.

I see it as the league making it a big incentive to have a well run academy producing quality players.

[Auzzy]

Johnson has apparently been meeting with Orlando. Larson tweeted some quotes from Bez about how Johnson wants to be a regular starter, playing 90 minutes every week. As I expected, I think Johnson would like to stay but we just can't offer him the playing time. I think he leaves in the end.

Not the worst thing for us, it gives us room to add a more valuable piece (i.e. a goal-scoring midfielder).

Crap, Eastern Conference team. But least if he plays in Orlando, we can't meet Johnson in the MLS Cup. :-/

[ag futbol]

Given the investment by teams, prioritizing their own products is probably wiser right now.
But is just not the way youth development works in a lot of cases. Take the recent move to have players in academies since their mid teens always count as domestic.

Who is relevant at that mid teen group vs. a few years later is entirely different. The idea of kids coming up all the way through is romanticized but the reality is they cut players loose every year and make adjustments to who they think is right for the next level.

None of Ososio, Babouli, Edwards (potentially), or Chapman would quality under the definition. The only one would is Ashton Morgan.

My focus would be on giving the best young local players a chance, not limiting that scope to the guys who have been in the academy only. There shouldn't be anything different about signing someone from league one or the USL if they are good enough.

[C.Ronaldo]

He told France Football early this year that he really wants to coach, perhaps starting with younger players
http://www.francefootball.fr/news/Mls-benoit-cheyrou-ce-qu-il-se-passe-a-marseille-me-touche-forcement/651566

exactly the mind i want teaching our young players

HARD yet Beautiful and SMART football

[C.Ronaldo]

This is true,but there has to be areason why he's not labelled a homegrown on the tfc ii roster
http://www.torontofc.ca/players/squad/tfcii

cant read enough french to go through the hole thing, but I can read this much. HIs family moving here makes it seem he will coach / work for the FO

Toronto, une très grande ville nord-américaine avec la gentillesse des Canadiens

and

Ma famille m’a rejoint depuis, c’est une belle expérience pour tout le monde.

[Initial B]

Just wondering - would Mix Diskerud fit as an attacking mid in TFC's style?

He seems to be out of favour with Viera and might be able to get him on the cheap.

[Areathrasher]

Just wondering - would Mix Diskerud fit as an attacking mid in TFC's style?

He seems to be out of favour with Viera and might be able to get him on the cheap.
I'd say no. Similar to Cooper and Osorio with maybe a bit of a better eye for goal. Not dynamic enough for what TFC need right now.

[C.Ronaldo]

I'd say no. Similar to Cooper and Osorio with maybe a bit of a better eye for goal. Not dynamic enough for what TFC need right now.

overrated in my opinion

hes MLS 1.5/2.0 we need MLS 3.0

[molenshtain]

overrated in my opinion

hes MLS 1.5/2.0 we need MLS 3.0

Perhaps he's too similar to what we have, but he doesn't lack quality. He dominated the two games against the Dutch and the German's with Bradley last year. Scored in both IIRC.

Also had a not dissimilar degree of success to Kleijstan while playing in Europe. There's something there, but he just really needs to get out of New York. Not sure if coming here is the best option for him though.

[ensco]

^I don't want (a) a major piece this offseason, or (ii) another USMNT guy (unless it's Morrow getting the call, that's different!).

[C.Ronaldo]

true, cant be another USMNT player

[Canary10]

I really disliked Diskerud the one game I saw him play at BMO. I thought he was a skilled guy by the fact he played for the US for a time, but he was really in that midfield to knock people over. At least in that game.

[Detroit_TFC]

Unfortunate that Will Johnson is moving on. I thought he was an excellent signing, especially for the link up play with Bradley. Just reading his body language in the last few games, I do wonder if there was more to it than just lack of playing time.

[BritSOL]

https://twitter.com/AllOrlandoCity/status/811716862367203328

Will Johnson off to Orlando

[mistercorporate]

Unfortunate that Will Johnson is moving on. I thought he was an excellent signing, especially for the link up play with Bradley. Just reading his body language in the last few games, I do wonder if there was more to it than just lack of playing time.

I really think it was just playing time. In any other team he'd be a starter and even captain, he's a young guy and natural leader. It's the same reason Bradley left AS Roma.

[OgtheDim]

Perhaps he's too similar to what we have, but he doesn't lack quality. ...

Did you see Diskerud last season? He was crap when he played - bad touch, didn't track back, not disciplined enough. No thanks.


As for Johnson, good for him, and a good fit between him and Kaka. BUT, Chapman is not a like for like replacement. Chapman has not yet shown the defensive responsibility that Johnson provides. He's been more played as an AM type. That I remember Chapman not being able to make the final pass to link up to the forwards. Lets see if Chapman grows a bit but we need that link to the forwards who is also a scoring threat.

[James17930]

If he's going to be that much of a baby, then forget him. I think Delgado is very capable of growing into the role that Johnson played.

[molenshtain]

Did you see Diskerud last season? He was crap when he played - bad touch, didn't track back, not disciplined enough. No thanks.

I did. You're right, he was not particularly good. But bad environments and lack of motivation can make good players look absolutely terrible. Lack at the difference Chelsea has had between last season and this with basically the same squad.

[OgtheDim]

I did. You're right, he was not particularly good. But bad environments and lack of motivation can make good players look absolutely terrible. Lack at the difference Chelsea has had between last season and this with basically the same squad.

Good point. I just don't see him really working hard to get better or overcome his obstacles. He's a project, and we don't need projects. I'm wondering if NYCFC might use their buy out on him. I could see him going to Minnesota, just for the Norwegian culture - that and Heath can't judge talent.

[reggie]

i like WJ..but not at 400 k.should be able to get a nice #10 or winger with that and some tam.

[molenshtain]

Good point. I just don't see him really working hard to get better or overcome his obstacles. He's a project, and we don't need projects. I'm wondering if NYCFC might use their buy out on him. I could see him going to Minnesota, just for the Norwegian culture - that and Heath can't judge talent.


And that's totally fair. An obviously talented midfielder who doesn't specialize in anything is the least of our needs.

If we're going to use TAM, I'd say put it on an athletic ball-playing defender to take Hagglund's spot. As great as he was in spurts over the playoffs, I could easily see teams targeting him next season. When Morrow gets high, Hagglund suddenly has to cover a ton of space by himself, something which he's not very adept at. Cult hero and a great 4th CB to have on the squad.

[Yohan]

^Crazy idea but what about Marvell Wynne? Fills 2 positions, has all of Hagglund's athleticism plus the pace to cover for lack of pace of other defenders.

[molenshtain]

Also might be worst player with the ball at his feet in the league. I loved Marvell when he was here, but I don't think he should be an option now.

[GuelphStorm2007]

Like a said in a earlier post we need that AM just to ease the pressure off Giovinco As far as Johnson goes I think Delgado can fill that role . Nothinh against Johnson bit at 400k and he is injury prone . Also We need depth at Right back to and Centre back

[molenshtain]

For people who keep clamouring for an AM - It's going to be Chapman. The kid has massive potential, and our best run of the season (middle of the summer) came when he played almost every game. Get him his minutes and within a couple years he'll be a DP caliber player.

[notthesun]

For people who keep clamouring for an AM - It's going to be Chapman. The kid has massive potential, and our best run of the season (middle of the summer) came when he played almost every game. Get him his minutes and within a couple years he'll be a DP caliber player.

I am high on Chapman but let's slow down a bit here. He can pick a pass but has yet to show an eye for goal, and he needs to be a scoring threat if we're talking about a DP level impact player. That's often difficult to develop if you don't already "have it".

However I am totally fine with starting the season with our current roster plus a backup RB and a couple backup CBs. I think we should take a step back and see how the season goes then add in the summer window where we need to. If the cost of waiting until the summer is we drop a few points here and there, I can't say I mind. Every season is just more evidence that it's how you finish, not how you start, and the value of finishing with a top 2 spot in your conference with this playoff format is massively overstated.

If Giovinco and Altidore are carrying too much weight in the goal scoring department, we can add an attacking mid in the summer. Or sign a defender if need be. I think we're in a good place as it is and I'd like to see what our young players can do before we start looking for upgrades, but if we find that we do need upgrades, we have to go for it. Realistically we probably have the next 2 years to win the Cup before Giovinco leaves.

[ensco]

^Crazy idea but what about Marvell Wynne? Fills 2 positions, has all of Hagglund's athleticism plus the pace to cover for lack of pace of other defenders.

I am totally down with this idea. I posted it somewhere here the second the Bloom deal went down.

We have to do this!