TFC 2016-2017 off-season player moves/speculation/rumours

[ag futbol]

Have to concur with the other guy who said he has cinder block feet. I don't think he is postionally that great either. Better than he was when he left but in no way ideal. Let's leave that one in the past.

I would look to find better attacking options out wide.

[molenshtain]

I am high on Chapman but let's slow down a bit here. He can pick a pass but has yet to show an eye for goal, and he needs to be a scoring threat if we're talking about a DP level impact player. That's often difficult to develop if you don't already "have it".

However I am totally fine with starting the season with our current roster plus a backup RB and a couple backup CBs. I think we should take a step back and see how the season goes then add in the summer window where we need to. If the cost of waiting until the summer is we drop a few points here and there, I can't say I mind. Every season is just more evidence that it's how you finish, not how you start, and the value of finishing with a top 2 spot in your conference with this playoff format is massively overstated.

If Giovinco and Altidore are carrying too much weight in the goal scoring department, we can add an attacking mid in the summer. Or sign a defender if need be. I think we're in a good place as it is and I'd like to see what our young players can do before we start looking for upgrades, but if we find that we do need upgrades, we have to go for it. Realistically we probably have the next 2 years to win the Cup before Giovinco leaves.

I get the argument that he has drawbacks at the moment, which he and so do pretty much all players at his development stage do. But he shows off the ball smarts and vision that are borderline elite. If we sign somoene else in that position it puts him at 4th or 5th on the depth chart at CM, which is a waste of his talent and abilities. If we want to grow our own players, we have to give them PT.

[OgtheDim]

Johnson will always be remembered for this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr-ASzolyh4

[C.Ronaldo]

Like a said in a earlier post we need that AM just to ease the pressure off Giovinco As far as Johnson goes I think Delgado can fill that role . Nothinh against Johnson bit at 400k and he is injury prone . Also We need depth at Right back to and Centre back

to be fair those injuries are not nagging ones, they are him putting his body on the line for the team

[C.Ronaldo]

For people who keep clamouring for an AM - It's going to be Chapman. The kid has massive potential, and our best run of the season (middle of the summer) came when he played almost every game. Get him his minutes and within a couple years he'll be a DP caliber player.

dont forget, before that warm streak he pulled up on a challenge that cost us a goal. He better be willing to go balls out if he wants to go next level.

I agree is is a good player and can be our AM, but I never wanna see that half assed effort again

[Areathrasher]

2nd round of the re-entry draft goes today, any potential Bloom replacements in there?

[Milanista]

You need an AM, you don't know how much longer GIO will be here...win while he is here, take advantage of having the best player in MLS. IMO i would not waste this opp. on a player liek Chapman...go out there and sign the best possible player

[reggie]

chapman is not a starter yet...i rank him in the Bekker range at this time with more potential in the future

[mistercorporate]

i like WJ..but not at 400 k.should be able to get a nice #10 or winger with that and some tam.

https://memecrunch.com/meme/2DD8W/yuuup/image.png?w=400&c=1

[mistercorporate]

chapman is not a starter yet...i rank him in the Bekker range at this time with more potential in the future

Are you kidding me, Bekker range?? I've seen fans of West Coast teams make Kyle Bekker jokes on MLSsoccer.com, Chapman has way more upside and talent.

[RealG-TFC]

Found something interesting in a bit of news on Luis Copete (Colombian, naturalized Nicaraguan). While it appears he is most linked with the Sounders, what struck me was that we were one of six North american clubs that were present in a special scouting showcase in Mexico. It looks like Bez was there.

http://www.laprensa.com.ni/2016/12/18/deportes/2152382-luis-copete-podria-jugar-en-estados-unidos

https://sixpackmental.com/showcase2016

[mistercorporate]

You need an AM, you don't know how much longer GIO will be here...win while he is here, take advantage of having the best player in MLS. IMO i would not waste this opp. on a player liek Chapman...go out there and sign the best possible player

Giovinco will likely retire here or leave after 5 years to retire in the Chinese league. He only has a few more golden years left in him before he becomes a Cheyrou or De Rosario (talented but slower and with their best playing years behind them).

[reggie]

Are you kidding me, Bekker range?? I've seen fans of West Coast teams make Kyle Bekker jokes on MLSsoccer.com, Chapman has way more upside and talent.
we said that about bekker when we drafted him first overall,im jus saying its still early to give him the #10 starting job.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

For people who keep clamouring for an AM - It's going to be Chapman. The kid has massive potential, and our best run of the season (middle of the summer) came when he played almost every game. Get him his minutes and within a couple years he'll be a DP caliber player.


Love Chapman and he will play regularly at some point but they want an impact player and he's not there yet


Found something interesting in a bit of news on Luis Copete (Colombian, naturalized Nicaraguan). While it appears he is most linked with the Sounders, what struck me was that we were one of six North american clubs that were present in a special scouting showcase in Mexico. It looks like Bez was there.

http://www.laprensa.com.ni/2016/12/18/deportes/2152382-luis-copete-podria-jugar-en-estados-unidos

https://sixpackmental.com/showcase2016


This is is the sort of signing I expect

[Areathrasher]

Found something interesting in a bit of news on Luis Copete (Colombian, naturalized Nicaraguan). While it appears he is most linked with the Sounders, what struck me was that we were one of six North american clubs that were present in a special scouting showcase in Mexico. It looks like Bez was there.

http://www.laprensa.com.ni/2016/12/18/deportes/2152382-luis-copete-podria-jugar-en-estados-unidos

https://sixpackmental.com/showcase2016

Nice find

[Jpexxx]

Looking at the list of available players, what about Sanna Nyassi.
27 years old, and over 150 MLS appearances.

Speed to burn too

[C.Ronaldo]

Nice find

Yallop with Arizona ? wow, thats a drop

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/ColumbusCrewSC/status/812026118479945728

Josh Williams is off to Columbus.

TFC passed with their re-entry draft picks.

[AdamAM]

https://twitter.com/ColumbusCrewSC/status/812026118479945728

Josh Williams is off to Columbus.

TFC passed with their re-entry draft picks.

And we now have 0 centerbacks sitting on the bench when we employ 3 at the back. Has Skylar Thomas been good enough at TFCII to warrant a first team contract? From what I've seen of him I don't think so. Hopefully Bez can find 2 centerbacks from within the league or abroad now.

[Cas87]

And we now have 0 centerbacks sitting on the bench when we employ 3 at the back. Has Skylar Thomas been good enough at TFCII to warrant a first team contract? From what I've seen of him I don't think so. Hopefully Bez can find 2 centerbacks from within the league or abroad now.

We have to go abroad.

Skyler Thomas was released and not resigned by TFC2

[Canary10]

Weren't there a few available in one of the drafts? I remember seeing David Horst's name. He was pretty decent at one point.

[reggie]

Bez has some work to do..we got only 3 on the roster and none on the farm.

[Areathrasher]

I'm having transfer envy at all these deals being announced by other teams. C'mon Bez, throw us a bone before Christmas :)

[Oldtimer]

We have to go abroad.

Skyler Thomas was released and not resigned by TFC2

More likely within the league, TFC has a lot of salary space available. Likely we can find someone already playing in MLS.

[molenshtain]

Love Chapman and he will play regularly at some point but they want an impact player and he's not there yet




This is is the sort of signing I expect

Nah. ou sign a guy ilike that and Chapman is stuck on the bench for a year if not more. He's 23, not 17. He needs to play now. He might not be even a TAM level player right now, but he could be in the future if he gets his minutes. Every time he was on the field we were a noticeably better team.

Also, why does everyone seem to be clamoring for an AM and a winger. Our formation doesn't accommodate either of those.

[Areathrasher]

Nah. ou sign a guy ilike that and Chapman is stuck on the bench for a year if not more. He's 23, not 17. He needs to play now. He might not be even a TAM level player right now, but he could be in the future if he gets his minutes. Every time he was on the field we were a noticeably better team.

Also, why does everyone seem to be clamoring for an AM and a winger. Our formation doesn't accommodate either of those.

if there was one in the squad they'd be significantly more flexible tactically

[molenshtain]

if there was one in the squad they'd be significantly more flexible tactically

But would also mean putting him on the bench.

[Areathrasher]

But would also mean putting him on the bench.

Extra weapons off the bench isn't a bad thing.

[molenshtain]

Extra weapons off the bench isn't a bad thing.

Yeah, but it would only be worth it to sign a guy in that position with our TAM money. puts our good young players even further down the depth chart. The kids needs minutes to gain form and improve as players. If we stock up on players like Cooper and this theoretical AM, the guys like Delgado and Chapman would never get enough minutes to fulfill their potential. That's poor roster management.

[OgtheDim]

Don't forget some of the people not picked up will be resigned.

[reggie]

i think chapman is behind cooper,oso,delgado at this time,he is not a starter yet in my opinion.

[Soccerpro]

I like to see Raheem Edwards signed to the 1st team. Good pacey 1v1 winger. Much brighter than someone like Lovitz.

[Areathrasher]

Yeah, but it would only be worth it to sign a guy in that position with our TAM money. puts our good young players even further down the depth chart. The kids needs minutes to gain form and improve as players. If we stock up on players like Cooper and this theoretical AM, the guys like Delgado and Chapman would never get enough minutes to fulfill their potential. That's poor roster management.

Gold Cup, WC Qualifiers, CCL, VCup, injuries - there will be plenty of games to go around. I'd rather TFC have plenty of players fighting for game time instead of wondering what if - if or when young players struggle or TFC lack the creativity to breakdown teams at times next season.

[Auzzy]

And we now have 0 centerbacks sitting on the bench when we employ 3 at the back. Has Skylar Thomas been good enough at TFCII to warrant a first team contract? From what I've seen of him I don't think so. Hopefully Bez can find 2 centerbacks from within the league or abroad now.

Williams was on $130k.

Zavaleta on $93k to $124k (who knows what the actual budget charge was).

Hagglund on $63k.

(Not sure if any of those salaries change for 2017.) I guess they figure they can get 1 or 2 backup CBs for less than $130k. Plus isn't Morrow decent as a LCB, with Morgan available to play LB/LW, if they have to cover for injury/absence?

I suppose Simonin (or Skylar Thomas) could still be signed to new deals, although there's no indication of that yet.

[Richard]

My shopping list.

1. Creative AM, smart, tactically aware, doesn't have to score but can create boat loads of chances.
2. 1A-B CB to fill out depth at that position.
3. A full back who can cross the ball into the box.
4. Another CM for depth.

[reggie]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOS2s_LBS_Y/?takenhttps://www.instagram.com/p/BOS2s_LBS_Y/?taken-by=sebagiovincoofficial
maybe seba can put in a good word with this guy.lol

[ag futbol]

Gold Cup, WC Qualifiers, CCL, VCup, injuries - there will be plenty of games to go around. I'd rather TFC have plenty of players fighting for game time instead of wondering what if - if or when young players struggle or TFC lack the creativity to breakdown teams at times next season.
Agreed. Any good midfield should be giving burn to its 6 best players. I think Chapman has a reasonable opportunity to be in the team and make an impact.

If he plays well someone like Osorio, Delgado or Cooper could fall down the pecking order.

I don't think we have to force anything here.

[PopePouri]

Vanney was excellent in managing his roster this year and giving players minutes. Besides Mannella and Simonen, everyone seemed to get a number of games under their belt.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Yeah, but it would only be worth it to sign a guy in that position with our TAM money. puts our good young players even further down the depth chart. The kids needs minutes to gain form and improve as players. If we stock up on players like Cooper and this theoretical AM, the guys like Delgado and Chapman would never get enough minutes to fulfill their potential. That's poor roster management.


Pretty much this, below


Gold Cup, WC Qualifiers, CCL, VCup, injuries - there will be plenty of games to go around. I'd rather TFC have plenty of players fighting for game time instead of wondering what if - if or when young players struggle or TFC lack the creativity to breakdown teams at times next season.

Vanney himself and Bez said they want a creative attacking mid, suspect that if they're talking about it, they'll find one. Got faith that Vanney and Bez will make the signings we need, as they have done in the past

[jimiv]

I'm having transfer envy at all these deals being announced by other teams. C'mon Bez, throw us a bone before Christmas :)

I starting to think that they're waiting for the transfer windows to start opening.

[kuku]

This guy will be available in January:

Once a €20 million signing by #LFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LFC?src=hash), Alberto Aquilani officially set to have his contract with @PescaraCalcio (https://twitter.com/PescaraCalcio) rescinded after just 4 months!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0SOmhFWEAACk5v.jpg

[David_Oliveira]

Saw him play with Sporting in Portugal. There's a reason they let him go and now he has had his contract rescinded.


This guy will be available in January:

Once a €20 million signing by #LFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LFC?src=hash), Alberto Aquilani officially set to have his contract with @PescaraCalcio (https://twitter.com/PescaraCalcio) rescinded after just 4 months!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0SOmhFWEAACk5v.jpg

[ensco]

^I hate this idea, but this isn't crazy from a suit POV. The guy would maybe sell some tickets, given the sheer number of elite teams he played for, and if he were cheap enough....

The rumour was out there before

http://mlsmultiplex.com/2015/05/02/report-toronto-fc-linked-with-alberto-aquilani/

Personally I'd rather give Laurent Robert another chance.

[Areathrasher]

Pass. He's made of biscuits.

[ag futbol]

I'd prefer some no-namers with talent.

Preferably ones that don't leave for international duty. I guess we can at least count on Acquilani for that.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Manjrekar James, canadian intl playing in Hungary is rumored to be moving to MLS. Wonder if hes coming here, think hes from the area.

[notthesun]

Manjrekar James, canadian intl playing in Hungary is rumored to be moving to MLS. Wonder if hes coming here, think hes from the area.

Well, we do need a couple CBs so I wouldn't be surprised if we're interested.

[Jpexxx]

A. Totera ‏@4totera (https://twitter.com/4totera) Boom seconds ago sources confirm to me that MLS in talks to bring Manjekar James to MLS #CMNT


Would make a lot of sense if TFC was in talks with him
(https://twitter.com/hashtag/CMNT?src=hash)

[jabbronies]

A. Totera ‏@4totera (https://twitter.com/4totera)Boom seconds ago sources confirm to me that MLS in talks to bring Manjekar James to MLS #CMNT


Would make a lot of sense if TFC was in talks with him
(https://twitter.com/hashtag/CMNT?src=hash)

Isn't he's a defensive midfielder?
Everything I've heard and I agree with them, is that TFC are looking to get an attacking midfielder

[reggie]

Isn't he's a defensive midfielder?
Everything I've heard and I agree with them, is that TFC are looking to get an attacking midfielder
no he is a CB

[OgtheDim]

Local kid coming back at a young age is good. Anybody watch him play and can comment on his passing ability, heading ability, touch, positioning etc. ? Floro didn't exactly provide much of a platform for analysing qualities.

[reggie]

I think he is a lot like Haggs...athletic,not very technical.gives up some pks.im not a big fan.depends on the price i guess.

[bigredone]

no he is a CB

Flexibility would be amazing.

I am salivating at changing my avatar.:D

[MightyDM]

Well, we do need a couple CBs so I wouldn't be surprised if we're interested.

what about Doneil? Stranger things have happened.

[Areathrasher]

what about Doneil? Stranger things have happened.

He's on loan from West Ham to Horsens in Denmark

[Yohan]

Henry tore an ACL while on loan in Nov. He won't be playing for a long time

[OgtheDim]

I think I saw Larson suggesting the team was going to find somebody for the D line in the draft


Going to be hard without a first round draft pick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_MLS_SuperDraft

[PopePouri]

I think Bez is hamstrung with cap space because of the success/bonuses this year. I don't think we'll see a TAM like player or any major moves. He'll TAM as much as he can on our current roster to bring down the cap hit. That will also include resigning Cheyrou and giving Irwin a better contract. Both Ricketts and Cooper's contracts become full-time as well.Here's what I think the make up looks like right now...

Senior:
TOR Altidore Jozy F $ 4,825,000.00 $ 4,825,000.00
TOR Beitashour Steven D $ 230,000.00 $ 244,000.00
TOR Bloom Mark D $ 94,500.00 $ 101,848.89
TOR Bradley Michael M $ 6,000,000.00 $ 6,500,000.00
TOR Cheyrou Benoit M $ 150,000.00 $ 159,333.33
TOR Cooper Armando M $ 180,000.00 $ 193,333.33
TOR Delgado Marco M $ 100,000.00 $ 102,500.00
TOR Giovinco Sebastian F $ 5,600,000.00 $ 7,115,555.67
TOR Irwin Clint GK $ 95,625.00 $ 107,625.00
TOR Johnson Will M $ 375,000.00 $ 395,333.33
TOR Moor Drew D $ 235,000.00 $ 250,000.00
TOR Morgan Ashtone D $ 120,000.00 $ 132,000.00
TOR Morrow Justin D $ 200,000.00 $ 216,666.67
TOR Osorio Jonathan M $ 166,750.00 $ 174,570.68
TOR Ricketts Tosaint F $ 63,000.00 $ 81,333.33
TOR Williams Josh D $ 131,250.00 $ 131,250.00
TOR Zavaleta Eriq D $ 93,500.00 $ 124,100.00
TOR Hagglund Nick D $ 63,000.00 $ 63,000.00

Supplemental:
TOR Simonin Clement D $ 63,000.00 $ 63,000.00
TOR Lovitz Daniel M $ 63,000.00 $ 63,000.00
TOR Bono Alex GK $ 65,000.00 $ 85,200.00
TOR Endoh Tsubasa F $ 51,500.00 $ 51,500.00

Homegrowns:
TOR Chapman Jay M $ 75,000.00 $ 93,500.00
TOR Babouli Mo F $ 51,500.00 $ 51,500.00
TOR Hamilton Jordan F $ 66,150.00 $ 78,650.00
TOR Roberts Quillan GK $ 63,000.00 $ 63,000.00

TOR Mannella Chris M $ 63,000.00 $ 63,000.00 (permanent loan to TFC 2)

I think the rumours for Manjrekar James are legit. He'd be a depth CB signing, young and cheap.
I don't know what they'll do for right-back. They passed over Barson and Klute during the re-entry draft, we don't have high level draft picks to trade this year, and no-one from TFC 2 has shown well enough. They'll have to go shopping or hope there's a decent option at right back during the draft.

[OgtheDim]

Wait, 3 players gone already worth $600K and we can't afford to get in a player other then a journeyman defender and a possible RB draft choice (although given we don't have a pick until round 2, that is highly unlikely to be a decent player)?

[Initial B]

TFC's two Second round picks are only 5 picks later than what would have been their first round draft pick. Still lots of value to be had in the top 30. We got Daniel Lovitz around that level. They'll at least get time in TFC II now. It will be interesting to see if Bez trades up the draft or not (prospects capable of starting generally only are in the top 10 picks). I think it would only be worth trading with Atlanta or Columbus as they already have a top 10 pick. I'm not sure how much stock they are putting into NCAA players anymore considering how much they're sinking into the Academy.

[PopePouri]

Wait, 3 players gone already worth $600K and we can't afford to get in a player other then a journeyman defender and a possible RB draft choice (although given we don't have a pick until round 2, that is highly unlikely to be a decent player)?

Both Rickett's and Cooper's salary doubles and Irwin gets a pay raise then we're already hitting maybe 300-400 minus bonuses of that 600k. They'll want a right back to take a senior roster spot though so I don't think they'll actually solve their RB depth with the draft. Most likely it will be a South American or a trade in the league with TAM.

I'm just saying that the 600k TAM central attacking mid or winger is probably not coming. I'm only expecting a few depth signings.

[Initial B]

Bez is probably going to wait until the July window before making signings once he has an idea of what the team needs to make it more successful.

[reggie]

we only have 3 CBs on the total tfc roster right now and no backup RB..they need those spots filled now.

[Gazza_55]

Wait, 3 players gone already worth $600K and we can't afford to get in a player other then a journeyman defender and a possible RB draft choice (although given we don't have a pick until round 2, that is highly unlikely to be a decent player)?

This.

Plus I'm hearing CCL GAM is approx $350k this year.

[ensco]

Wait, 3 players gone already worth $600K and we can't afford to get in a player other then a journeyman defender and a possible RB draft choice (although given we don't have a pick until round 2, that is highly unlikely to be a decent player)?

The money is going to existing players, not new players.

The non DPs earned $4.5M last year. I bet that it's going to cost at least $1M extra to keep the team together - 600K represents less than what you need for that.

I am sure they will hold a reserve for the summer window.

Be happy. This is great.

[Areathrasher]

Both Rickett's and Cooper's salary doubles and Irwin gets a pay raise then we're already hitting maybe 300-400 minus bonuses of that 600k. They'll want a right back to take a senior roster spot though so I don't think they'll actually solve their RB depth with the draft. Most likely it will be a South American or a trade in the league with TAM.

I'm just saying that the 600k TAM central attacking mid or winger is probably not coming. I'm only expecting a few depth signings.

Given the lack of transparency and doubts over the accuracy of the MLSPU release we can't say that with any certainty.

[TMAN80]

The money is going to existing players, not new players.

The non DPs earned $4.5M last year. I bet that it's going to cost at least $1M extra to keep the team together - 600K represents less than what you need for that.

I am sure they will hold a reserve for the summer window.

Be happy. This is great.

I thought most of our guys were already under contract for next year with the exception of a couple. Now with Johnson out, Williams out, bloom out, and other carry over buyouts/contracts off the books from last season, plus our TAM and the slight increase in salary cap space, I see no reason why we don't have more than enough cap space available to sign a couple very good players. A scoring midfielder is a must, as next year will be our best chance at a title. I really can't see how they would be spending a million more on current players, when you subtract the outgoing contracts to offset.

[notthesun]

Given the lack of transparency and doubts over the accuracy of the MLSPU release we can't say that with any certainty.

In fact I'm almost certain the players union numbers are not pro-rated at all.

[Areathrasher]

Bez and Manning have both said the cap situation is much better than this time last season.

[reggie]

you can also add herc s and moore s money coming off the cap.thats prob another 300 k

[Areathrasher]

In fact I'm almost certain the players union numbers are not pro-rated at all.

Plus nobody is 100% certain if what is reported in the union release corresponds to what the player budget charge/cap hit is.

[DinamoTFC]

Will Johnson officially gone according to Orlando City/MLS website.

[kuku]

This guy made himself available also:

footballitalia ‏@footballitalia (https://twitter.com/footballitalia)
Keisuke Honda’s agent confirms the #ACMilan (https://twitter.com/hashtag/ACMilan?src=hash) midfielder rejected Chinese offers - “we definitely prefer #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash)”. http://www (https://t.co/AerOI1WS0A)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C01k9LnWgAAGocC.jpg

[Milanista]

lol please someone take him, he has been a flop at Milan...very slow player, plays well in quick one touch games where he doesnt need to dribble much.

[TFC/Everton]

Linked with Gilardino... again

http://www.calciomercatot8.com/mls-gilardino-verso-toronto/

[Red I]

Linked with Gilardino... again

http://www.calciomercatot8.com/mls-gilardino-verso-toronto/

... because, another forward!?? Why not!?!?

Man, silly season already off to the races. I'm so glad the core is pretty settled... my heart can't take what the window's put me through in the past.

[Richard]

Do these papers even try anymore haha.

[kuku]

Evan Whitney (https://twitter.com/evabswhit)@evabswhit (https://twitter.com/evabswhit)

Marouane Chamakh is without a club, he would prefer the MLS (United States) to the Eastern track.

[kuku]

Julie Stewart-BinksVerified account ‏@JSB_TV (https://twitter.com/JSB_TV) 1h1 hour ago (https://twitter.com/JSB_TV/status/814542724066082816)
Can confirm that Landon Donovan has also just been offered a deal from an eastern conference team in addition to RSL offer. #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash)

[Yohan]

... because, another forward!?? Why not!?!?

Man, silly season already off to the races. I'm so glad the core is pretty settled... my heart can't take what the window's put me through in the past.
By looking at the signings already happening in MLS and some names linked, it's going to be an interesting off season.

[Yohan]

Julie Stewart-BinksVerified account ‏@JSB_TV (https://twitter.com/JSB_TV) 1h1 hour ago (https://twitter.com/JSB_TV/status/814542724066082816)
Can confirm that Landon Donovan has also just been offered a deal from an eastern conference team in addition to RSL offer. #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash)

I think Landycakes in CAM role with TFC on a TAM money (if the cap space is available) might be that final piece to win the Cup...

[OgtheDim]

Dude is a tad pudgy.

[TFC/Everton]

I think Landycakes in CAM role with TFC on a TAM money (if the cap space is available) might be that final piece to win the Cup...

YES!!!

[Canary10]

Dude is a tad pudgy.

Fattycakes.

[Richard]

I think Landycakes in CAM role with TFC on a TAM money (if the cap space is available) might be that final piece to win the Cup...

What? Really? He cant play more than 20 min a game, he is not the CAM we need.

DP money was offered as well from what I hear, mind boggling.

[ensco]

Sorry but Landon Donovan cannot play for TFC.

NFW.

[Derko]

Sorry but Landon Donovan cannot play for TFC.

NFW.

:drinking:I agree

[GuelphStorm2007]

No Landylakes please But we do need some help at CB I heard of Manjeker James being considered as a depth spot at CB

[SirBobSaget]

James would be a great addition. Similar to Ricketts CANMNT supporters undervalue him, but in MLS his speed, strength and areal ability would make him a great addition. He does make rash tackles (Hernry-esk), hopefully can be coached out of that. In a 3-5-2 he would be a good fit.

[Yohan]

James would be a great addition. Similar to Ricketts CANMNT supporters undervalue him, but in MLS his speed, strength and areal ability would make him a great addition. He does make rash tackles (Hernry-esk), hopefully can be coached out of that. In a 3-5-2 he would be a good fit.
he gets turned inside out far too easily. Another Zavaleta/Hagglund isn't what TFC needs. I'd prefer to see more experienced CB who can organize like Moor can. TFC relies far too much on Drew Moor

[Canary10]

he gets turned inside out far too easily. Another Zavaleta/Hagglund isn't what TFC needs. I'd prefer to see more experienced CB who can organize like Moor can. TFC relies far too much on Drew Moor

That was our one crack in the armour in the playoffs I thought. Zavaleta and Hagglund panic a bit under the playoff pressure. They also often didn't make the right decision when to challenge and when to drop back, leading to a lot of chances, especially against Montreal. Having this playoff experience should be huge for both of them, but having one more experienced guy would be really helpful.

[OgtheDim]

In 4 years, Zavaleta is a mix of Moor and Vanney (the player). IF Hagglund can grow with him, that's a rock of a back 2. But, we need that other experienced guy to bring them along. If Moor goes out injured, our defence is messed up.

[PopePouri]

A bit of news:

Toronto FC is still waiting on an answer from U.S. Under-17 standout Ayo Akinola after offering him a homegrown player deal, but sources tell Goal USASyracuse midfielder Sergio Camargo has agreed to a homegrown deal.

http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/news/mls-talking-points-the-market-for-landon-donovan-the-next-crop-of-homegrown-players-and-more/1nqqlsf1t22y11rgeqc00q4i7z

Sergio didn't get a lot of time with Syracuse last year but still had a really good college career.

[flamehawk]

I was just reading Camargo for my FM 2017 Canadian Premier League mod.

Following the footsteps of Chapman as a K-W United player. Odd we're seeing all those players that seems to have left the academy system completely and then return. Wonder if its an indictment of our academy. Why didn't Camargo or Chapman play for TFCII or PDL Academy in between school?

[PopePouri]

I was just reading Camargo for my FM 2017 Canadian Premier League mod.

Following the footsteps of Chapman as a K-W United player. Odd we're seeing all those players that seems to have left the academy system completely and then return. Wonder if its an indictment of our academy. Why didn't Camargo or Chapman play for TFCII or PDL Academy in between school?

Probably just an indictment of Thomas Rongen.

[barticusz]

Is Akinola a CAM like Camargo? The more youth we can get to push each other the better. Hoping 1 or 2 more become starters like Oso in the near future.

[PopePouri]

Is Akinola a CAM like Camargo?

Striker.

[OgtheDim]

Probably just an indictment of Thomas Rongen.

Narrative this week on US Twitter is Rongen's a genius as he's now scouting for the USMNT.

I'm sure next year USSF will be hiring Anselmi.

[Areathrasher]

Narrative this week on US Twitter is Rongen's a genius as he's now scouting for the USMNT.

I'm sure next year USSF will be hiring Anselmi.
Rongen shit the bed here but his previous scouting work for the USMNT is undeniable. Its not narrative.

[ag futbol]

Another random tidbit from looking at Camargo's twitter.. looks like former TFCA defender Jordan Murrell has signed with Reno's USL team after spending last year with the Riverhounds.

[flamehawk]

Rongen shit the bed here but his previous scouting work for the USMNT is undeniable. Its not narrative.

It's a real shame he hadn't done to well here. I don't know if anyone here has seen next goal wins, highly recommend the documentary for any football fans. It follows the world cup qualifier journey of American Samoa. The director originally intended it to be a coverage of experiences of minnows, but it turned out to be the best over performance by American Samoa, making it to the next stage. He comes off as someone who really cares about his players, and an interesting guy all around.

[PopePouri]

Rongen shit the bed here but his previous scouting work for the USMNT is undeniable. Its not narrative.

I don't know about "undeniable". I'd be worried he can't identify decent talents like Jay Chapman and particularly Neven Subotic.

[OgtheDim]

His work at Tampa Bay wasn't exactly wonderful either.

[MightyDM]

Sorry but Landon Donovan cannot play for TFC.

NFW.

exactly.

[Areathrasher]

I don't know about "undeniable". I'd be worried he can't identify decent talents like Jay Chapman and particularly Neven Subotic.

He did identify Subotic. There were other reasons he didn't play for the yanks.

[Hamilton_Red]

exactly.

I'd like to see TFC retain some Canadian character. Losing Johnson was a set-back on that front. Hopefully Chapman can step up like Osorio to be a regular. Donovan would be too much of sideshow to have as a key part - could take a huff and retire at anytime. We can do better.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://twitter.com/Kubani7/status/815195044600836097

[ag futbol]

^ No idea if true, but on TAM'ish money I would not be opposed. It's like a Cheyrou signing but with younger legs.

Midfield can never be too solidified.

[notthesun]

Thiago Motta is basically Cheyrou with less propensity to dribble and more defensive tenacity/mindset. He'd be a good replacement for Johnson, won't provide as much energy but is very smart in his positioning. Wouldn't be the worst move, plus nice for Giovinco to have another Italian in the squad.

[shwade]

That would be a lot of money going to not helping us out creatively much.

[Bobo]

That would be a lot of money going to not helping us out creatively much.

In Motta's defense, he can spray the ball around quote well from deep. But while he can offer a bit more than Cheyrou from an outside mid position and is also better defensively, not sure it would be the wisest decision to use limited cap space on a similar player.

[molenshtain]

That would be a lot of money going to not helping us out creatively much.

We scored a record breaking amount of goals in the playoffs and a very healthy total of goals in the regular season. The narrative that we're hurting to create chances is false.

[OgtheDim]

We scored a record breaking amount of goals in the playoffs and a very healthy total of goals in the regular season. The narrative that we're hurting to create chances is false.

Yes, we scored a lot of goals against certain teams (Montreal and NYCFC). And, we had issues breaking down a lot of teams, including Seattle in the final, NYCFC in the first leg, Philly in the first round and even the Fire on the final Sunday.

This lack of a chance creator was discussed in game threads through much of the season.

What we are discussing here is making the team better. A chance creator in the midfield (and lets face it, Osorio and Cooper are not that) would make us even more dangerous.

[molenshtain]

Yes, we scored a lot of goals against certain teams (Montreal and NYCFC). And, we had issues breaking down a lot of teams, including Seattle in the final, NYCFC in the first leg, Philly in the first round and even the Fire on the final Sunday.

This lack of a chance creator was discussed in game threads through much of the season.

What we are discussing here is making the team better. A chance creator in the midfield (and lets face it, Osorio and Cooper are not that) would make us even more dangerous.

we already have one. Chapman was second in the league in chances created per 90 - right behind Kljeistan. If he was Argentinean he'd have his own cult devoted to him in this city. But he's Canadian and supposedly young (He's older than Jordan Morris) and therefore unable to do the job sustainably. I swear to god if we spend TAM on a prime age #10 im going to lose my shit.

[reggie]

i think we have to chill a bit with chapman has our starting #10.i dont think he is a starter period yet.

[molenshtain]

Why not? this will be his third season as a professional. He's obviously talented enough. There's no time like the present.

[notthesun]

Like I said, give Chapman the chance to prove himself until the summer. If he's not creating enough then we can look to add in the summer window.

[ag futbol]

we already have one. Chapman was second in the league in chances created per 90 - right behind Kljeistan. If he was Argentinean he'd have his own cult devoted to him in this city. But he's Canadian and supposedly young (He's older than Jordan Morris) and therefore unable to do the job sustainably. I swear to god if we spend TAM on a prime age #10 im going to lose my shit.
I like the kid and think he has potential but let him earn his place. Bestowing a guy who has never scored a goal in a MLS game and two career assists as the starter is not called for.

The case you are making over emphasizes one narrowly defined statistic in the face of not a lot of other evidence.

[stevep]

check mls calender today on their website

pretty sure benoit cheryou (the man the legend) is coming back
8 usmnt games this year
bradley is gonna miss a few games this year due to this
without benoit good chance of a loss in those games
with benoit good chance of a win in those games

[shwade]

Chapman as starter is ridiculously optimistic. He doesn't have the gravitas and the consistency (he was given a string of games in the summer). He definitely improved over the games but he still looks lost out there and unsure of what to do with the ball in the final third too often to be an actual threat.

The boy needs to put some muscle on him this off-season if he doesn't want to get nudged off the ball 8 times out of 10.

[ensco]

A chance creator in the midfield (and lets face it, Osorio and Cooper are not that) would make us even more dangerous.

Actually I am very comforable with both of them in that role. Osorio showed real signs of growing into it. Cooper, I don't get how anyone doesn't see it that way, he is our first proper AM since Guevara, his first move is forward every time.

[molenshtain]

Neither Cooper or Osorio can pick out a final pass. Chapman can. That's the difference between them.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Actually I am very comforable with both of them in that role. Osorio showed real signs of growing into it. Cooper, I don't get how anyone doesn't see it that way, he is our first proper AM since Guevara, his first move is forward every time.

Been saying this since we got him, just wish he'd shoot more. Still ok with grabbing a top AM tho

[OgtheDim]

I think our streak of winning the offseason is about to end at 3.

Probably the best run ever seen in MLS, what with Bradley/Defoe, then Giovinco/Altidore and then Irwin/Beitashour/Johnston/Moor.


Gosh we were so shit in 2013, wern't we.

[MightyDM]

Actually I am very comforable with both of them in that role. Osorio showed real signs of growing into it. Cooper, I don't get how anyone doesn't see it that way, he is our first proper AM since Guevara, his first move is forward every time.

Oso is good in this role, he is creative and sees the penetrating pass. A bit too unselfish for me - always looking for Gio, even when he ( Oso) is in a better position. And while Cooper does always go forwArd, his instinct is to look for contact and the foul, so fairly often does not move the ball as quickly as play requires. I like Chapman, but both these players rank above him in technical application of skill in a game - and both still have lots of room to improve.

[rydermike]

Gosh we were so shit in 2013, wern't we.

Bendik
Morgan-Henry-Caldwell-Eckersley
Lambe-Laba-Osorio-Convey
Earnshaw-Wiederman
(Hall,Rey,Braun,Dike)

vs

Irwin
Morrow-Hagglund-Moor-Zavaleta-Beitashour
Osorio-Bradley-Cooper
Giovinco-Altidore
(Cheyrou, Ricketts, Delgado, Chapman)

[hulkrogan]

^ You forgot about John "Savior" Bostock! :rofl:

And Hogan Ephraim! lol... what a team.

Edit: Jeremy Brockie.

I still remember the threads of some of the eternal optimists (like myself) arguing the merits of some of these guys. Ugh.

[mistercorporate]

Kylealdo Bekkerinho...

[KGH]

Serious question...I think everyone agrees we need to bring in another defender. I wonder why we're not kicking the tires on trying to sign Marvell Wynne? He fits what we'd be looking for...he can play both CB and RB down the right and would give us some speed. Plus he played with Moor for 4 season and Irwin for a couple so the chemistry should be quick to get up to speed.

Just a thought

[Oldtimer]

Serious question...I think everyone agrees we need to bring in another defender. I wonder why we're not kicking the tires on trying to sign Marvell Wynne? He fits what we'd be looking for...he can play both CB and RB down the right and would give us some speed. Plus he played with Moor for 4 season and Irwin for a couple so the chemistry should be quick to get up to speed.

Just a thought

We're a technical team and he's not a technical player, more just raw speed. We need someone who can cross accurately into space.

[C.Ronaldo]

Serious question...I think everyone agrees we need to bring in another defender. I wonder why we're not kicking the tires on trying to sign Marvell Wynne? He fits what we'd be looking for...he can play both CB and RB down the right and would give us some speed. Plus he played with Moor for 4 season and Irwin for a couple so the chemistry should be quick to get up to speed.

Just a thought

our D is strong because it can play offence.

marvel wouldnt add anything to offence

[KGH]

I was thinking more as a CB than a RB. I believe he's been a CB for the last few seasons. How many crosses did our current platoon of CBs have this year?

[Ultra & Proud]

I was thinking more as a CB than a RB. I believe he's been a CB for the last few seasons. How many crosses did our current platoon of CBs have this year?

Moor and especially Zavaleta let a few really good long balls go this year that were right on the mark. Wynne doesn't bring that. Never been good with the ball at his feet.

[Initial B]

I think we'll see a return to the 4 man backline at the start of the season, with the Moor, Zavaleta, and Hagglund platooning at those positions, but being trot out in a 3-5-2 once in a while to give that formation some reps.

[Kamp Berg]

I think we'll see a return to the 4 man backline at the start of the season, with the Moor, Zavaleta, and Hagglund platooning at those positions, but being trot out in a 3-5-2 once in a while to give that formation some reps.

Would be nice to see another starting calibre CB picked up regardless of formation, there are a lot of games to play this year. It would be promising to see Hagglund and Zavaleta competently handle some games on their own.

[OgtheDim]

Larson reads this thread

Larson talks to sources

Larson drops news

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/817049649089572864

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/817050033875021824

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/817050865836105730

[OgtheDim]

So apparently DeMarcus Beasley and Taylor Kemp (DCU) are better American LB's then Justin Morrow.

Good for us as this should light an even larger fire under Morrow.

[Cas87]

I think we'll see a return to the 4 man backline at the start of the season, with the Moor, Zavaleta, and Hagglund platooning at those positions, but being trot out in a 3-5-2 once in a while to give that formation some reps.


Would be nice to see another starting calibre CB picked up regardless of formation, there are a lot of games to play this year. It would be promising to see Hagglund and Zavaleta competently handle some games on their own.

Completely agree.

At least one CB needs to be added for depth.
I feel that with the added CCL games this upcoming year (in what ever configuration they are) that the 4-4-2 formation will be the predominant formation we use.
the 3-5-2 I feel will come in as a specialised tool used on when needed (in either MLS season, CCL, Canadian Championship, MLS Cup)

[Oldtimer]

Completely agree.

At least one CB needs to be added for depth.
I feel that with the added CCL games this upcoming year (in what ever configuration they are) that the 4-4-2 formation will be the predominant formation we use.
the 3-5-2 I feel will come in as a specialised tool used on when needed (in either MLS season, CCL, Canadian Championship, MLS Cup)

I agree that we will see the return of 4-4-2 with probably the diamond re-emerging. We may see yet other formations.

[Cas87]

With all the moves league wide and the tumble-weed flowing through the TFC front offices at the moment I feel like this:

https://frinkiac.com/gif/S07E24/411960/417633.gif?b64lines=V2UncmUgb2theSB0b2RheSwgCndlIG hhdmUgVEFNIGFuZCBHQU0gbm93

[Initial B]

I agree that we will see the return of 4-4-2 with probably the diamond re-emerging. We may see yet other formations.
I think we'll see a 4-3-3 as well on occasion, with Endoh and Ricketts as wingers, Jozy as CF and Seba playing just under him as an AM/SS. A 4-2-3-1/4-1-4-1 might also happen with Bradley playing DM.

[C.Ronaldo]

I think we'll see a 4-3-3 as well on occasion, with Endoh and Ricketts as wingers, Jozy as CF and Seba playing just under him as an AM/SS. A 4-2-3-1/4-1-4-1 might also happen with Bradley playing DM.

the sooner seba is willing to drop back, the better

hes of much bigger value from there and all his highlights come from there too

[PopePouri]

the sooner seba is willing to drop back, the better

hes of much bigger value from there and all his highlights come from there too

I'd also like him to become a fully fledged attacking mid pulling the strings at the top of the 18.

[OgtheDim]

Larson talks to Vanney (and possibly somebody else based on his points) http://www.torontosun.com/2017/01/05/speed-the-name-of-the-game-for-tfc-after-quick-off-season

Of note, two particular sentences

One, in response to Johnson leaving


Now the Reds want to bring younger — “similar” — players along

Secondly, after discussing Simonin coming into camp without a contract



Expect to see up-and-coming TFC II product Raheem Edwards in camp alongside the first team — as well as striker Ben Spencer.
The duo will be looking to earn a first-team deal along with TFC II players Liam Fraser, 18, Luca Uccello, 19, and Malik Johnson, 18, whose availability this winter will depend on whether they’re with the Canadian under-20s.
Vanney also mentioned TFC Academy player Marko Maletic, 17, and Aidan Daniels, 18, could join the Reds for preseason.
“We want to continue to close the gap between where they are and how prepared they are for the first team,” Vanney said.

[C.Ronaldo]

so pumped to see Raheem get more minutes

His energy should add a nice punch

interesting to see TFC so high (and put so much effort) on Spencer. Does MLS pay out money when players eventually go to USMNT

edit:
found the connection on spencer

He left the RSL system for the 2011-12 season for the Chivas USA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.D._Chivas_USA) academy

[notthesun]

Edwards is an immediate replacement and upgrade on Lovitz, he'll get a contract. I don't see Spencer having much of a shot as our depth at striker is pretty good already. I guess they're having a look because he can be a replacement target man when Altidore is out, but with Ricketts and Hamilton having proven themselves already I can't really see him getting first team minutes.

[C.Ronaldo]

Edwards is an immediate replacement and upgrade on Lovitz, he'll get a contract. I don't see Spencer having much of a shot as our depth at striker is pretty good already. I guess they're having a look because he can be a replacement target man when Altidore is out, but with Ricketts and Hamilton having proven themselves already I can't really see him getting first team minutes.

what was the nuance that allowed Edwards to play on the first time last year?

[SirBobSaget]

what was the nuance that allowed Edwards to play on the first time last year?

Some type of emergency call-up.

[Cas87]

what was the nuance that allowed Edwards to play on the first time last year?


Some type of emergency call-up.

Each MLS team are able to us 4 'emergency' call-ups from their USL affiliates (each one with a 7-10 day length).

I believe the rule states that they can be used when fixtures are bunch together (paraphrasing of course).
Basically, its in there for US MLS teams don't injure the high profile players during US Open Cups (more so for the US open cup games, then the Canadian Champ).

[notthesun]

He signed a short team deal for the Canadian Championship, but then was allowed to play in an MLS game due to extreme hardship, we were missing a lot of players at the time.



USL Player Short Term Agreements in cases of Extreme Hardship
Clubs may sign players, 25-years-old or younger, from their USL affiliate (on loan) to a Short Term Agreement (up to four-day contracts) for MLS league season games only in cases of Extreme Hardship.

An MLS club may sign a player to a maximum of four Short Term Agreements each season (maximum of 16 days). During such time, the player may play in any U.S. Open Cup games, CONCACAF Champions League games, and exhibition games.

[Red CB Toronto]

Each MLS team are able to us 4 'emergency' call-ups from their USL affiliates (each one with a 7-10 day length).

I believe the rule states that they can be used when fixtures are bunch together (paraphrasing of course).
Basically, its in there for US MLS teams don't injure the high profile players during US Open Cups (more so for the US open cup games, then the Canadian Champ).

Its a four day short term contract. Raheem played in the Second leg of the Canadian Final on the Wednesday and in the league match on Saturday vs. Seattle. Believe you can sign a player to two of these short contracts during a season.

[Hamilton_Red]

Hope we start to see some activity soon. Seattle look very active and they have lot's of room to improve over last year with essentially two DP spots available. I would like to see Chapman be given a chance early in the season to see if he can become a regular. 8 weeks to it all starts again.

[OgtheDim]

Larson indicating in his story yesterday that the needs as defined by TFC are CD who would play minutes & RB backup. They will try to go with the current youth (Chapman, Osorio & Delgado) to see if any of them can do that AM role - if they can't then they'd go out in the summer and get somebody.

[Hamilton_Red]

Larson indicating in his story yesterday that the needs as defined by TFC are CD who would play minutes & RB backup. They will try to go with the current youth (Chapman, Osorio & Delgado) to see if any of them can do that AM role - if they can't then they'd go out in the summer and get somebody.


So Johnson isn't being replaced then? Is that Cooper... but who is the depth player to cover Bradley/Cooper on international assignments... that's about 1/3 the games based on the past.

[RealG-TFC]

Larson indicating in his story yesterday that the needs as defined by TFC are CD who would play minutes & RB backup. They will try to go with the current youth (Chapman, Osorio & Delgado) to see if any of them can do that AM role - if they can't then they'd go out in the summer and get somebody.

Very prudent in my opinion. We need to make sure these guys improve and get minutes, and the first half of the season is the best time to do that. It wouldn’t surprise me if we already have someone significant lined up for the summer, like Montreal with Dzemaili.

[dupont]

The thing that hurts the most when I think about our roster is that TFC absolutely had the exact team to win last season and came so close and really should have. Having said that, it makes sense not to change much. Although losing Johnson definitely makes us weaker so hopefully we bring in at least one piece

[OgtheDim]

So Johnson isn't being replaced then? Is that Cooper... but who is the depth player to cover Bradley/Cooper on international assignments... that's about 1/3 the games based on the past.

Cheyrou covers Bradley and Delgado/Chapman cover Cooper/Osorio. We haven't seen the schedule but NT's have not been gone 12 games a year.

[Detroit_TFC]

So, Bez/Vanney have some decent academy call ups to choose from and also doesn't need to rely on the draft to fill starter slots. I hope I'm not misreading our current situation but seems to me it is quite a treat to be in this position. First time ever for TFC but fairly rare in the league as a whole too.

[C.Ronaldo]

The thing that hurts the most when I think about our roster is that TFC absolutely had the exact team to win last season and came so close and really should have. Having said that, it makes sense not to change much. Although losing Johnson definitely makes us weaker so hopefully we bring in at least one piece

we had some injuries last year to our youngsters last year. I think they supply enough good depth to help win it. Johnson was a luxury to have off the bench. that doesnt happen in MLS too often

we also have a more than capable keeper on our bench now, and giovinco/ jozy can take more breaks throughout season with Ricketts on the bench.

This is the first year Im perfectly okay with few starters starting in the Canada cup games

[OgtheDim]

And Johnson weighs in on why he left - the disrespect of Cooper being signed when he was injured which didn't happen to other players that got injured.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2017/01/09/ex-tfc-midfielder-will-johnson-left-because-reds-disrespected-him.html

:lurk5:

[Areathrasher]

“No coach in the world ever guarantees any player in the world playing time,” he said. “In terms of that kind of stuff, I think Toronto actually does more than other teams with Sebastian, Jozy and Michael not coming off the field.”

Someone definitely feels scorned. Using Cooper as an excuse?

[Initial B]

^ I thought all three of them were subbed off in various games throughout last season. But I guess I'd be a little miffed too. I'm willing to give his comments a pass based on his dedication to the club.

[Areathrasher]

Dedication?

He was here one year and appears to have thrown his toys out of the pram when things didn't go his way

[SirBobSaget]

This is a fair statement
“Clint (Irwin) got hurt; they didn’t go out and get another goalkeeper. Michael (Bradley) got hurt; they didn’t go get another centre mid. Seba (Giovinco) got hurt; they didn’t go get another striker,” he said.

Johnson was injured launching himself at a loose ball in a manner others would have pulled out of. On his return he was never given a fair run of starts. He did seem off the pace in the playoff games, they may not have reached the finals without Cooper.

This though is what I believe the real frustration was for Johnson
Johnson said he would have happily sacrificed his starting role if he felt it was done in a respectful way, with the “right conversation” both on and off the field.

Should be a lesson learned for the TFC management team

[RealG-TFC]

Hmm, I don't know, I think he could have definitely not taken it so personally. Its hard to fully side with him when we have someone like Cheyrou that moved continents accepting his role for the sake of the team. I like him and hope he does well in Orlando, but it's a bit of lame reason to walk I think.

[Canary10]

This is a fair statement
“Clint (Irwin) got hurt; they didn’t go out and get another goalkeeper. Michael (Bradley) got hurt; they didn’t go get another centre mid. Seba (Giovinco) got hurt; they didn’t go get another striker,” he said.

Johnson was injured launching himself at a loose ball in a manner others would have pulled out of. On his return he was never given a fair run of starts. He did seem off the pace in the playoff games, they may not have reached the finals without Cooper.

This though is what I believe the real frustration was for Johnson
Johnson said he would have happily sacrificed his starting role if he felt it was done in a respectful way, with the “right conversation” both on and off the field.

Should be a lesson learned for the TFC management team

Well, we did have backups in those positions. Was Cooper viewed as a replacement for Johnson? I'm not sure he was. I think they viewed him as an attacking mid.

[TFC Tifoso]

didn't Cheyrou also miss some time during Johnson's injury?

TFC was short at a spot where a couple guys were injured, and signed a player to fill the void, simple as that to me.

Sure they not gonna take out the DPs unless totally necessary....Altidore and Bradley missed enough time with the US NT and Seba was the reigning MVP for crying out loud.
Johnson comes across as a big baby imo here.....

[RealG-TFC]

I think Chapman was also injured no? Or was that not at the same time?

Also, we did totally sign a striker fwiw, Ricketts.

[Areathrasher]

Johnson got injured on June 29th.
Cooper was signed August 18th

Johnson played in the three games at the end of August.
Cooper didn't play a game until the Chicago game on September 11th.(Johnson played the full 90 in the Chicago game with Cooper coming on for the last 20)

Sorry - those comments reak of bs to me.

[Canary10]

Honestly I think it does come down to his playing time. Rest is an excuse.

[mowe]

Johnson's injury had nothing to with signing Cooper, TFC just wanted a more dynamic player to complement the midfield.

The main reason Johnson's minutes dried up was the change in formation. There was only room for 3 CMs in the 3-5-2 and Vanney preferred Osorio and Cooper in front of Bradley. If we stuck with the diamond Johnson would've kept his spot in the lineup and Cooper would've replaced Delgado on the right.

[TMAN80]

Johnson's injury had nothing to with signing Cooper, TFC just wanted a more dynamic player to complement the midfield.

The main reason Johnson's minutes dried up was the change in formation. There was only room for 3 CMs in the 3-5-2 and Vanney preferred Osorio and Cooper in front of Bradley. If we stuck with the diamond Johnson would've kept his spot in the lineup and Cooper would've replaced Delgado on the right.

Yup, I think this is bang on. I'm shocked at what a baby he is being, upset or not. I actually am quite happy he is gone, as next season will likely be our best chance to win it all.
I do like the kids, but I think in our current situation, we need to use the roster spot, and money freed up by Johnson leaving, to get another proven player of real quality right now. This upcoming season is not the time for breaking kids in, or experimenting with inexperience. We have to realize how close we are, and go for it, before some of our best players move on which is inevitable.

[ensco]

Johnson deserves respect based on his body of work. He isn't a whinger. There hasn't been a pattern of stories like these the last two years, unlike in other TFC regimes.

TFC churned/burned a lot of vets the last two years. Johnson's impending free agency obviously had a huge impact on how TFC used/viewed him. Whether this is fair or not is impossible to say, as it relates to the accusation that TFC management wasn't communicating appropriately with Johnson. None of us were in the room for those conversations.

I don't like this, but Bez/Vanney have earned a pass on this one, given the team's results, and the lack of a pattern. Hopefully a pattern won't emerge.

[Detroit_TFC]

Would have rather WJ stayed because he would have a role to play during the season. But at 29, and with many injuries, he doesn't have much prime time left. I'm ok with him demanding a bigger role and I'm ok with Bez/Vanney saying thanks, but no. But I'm irritated with him if he feels hookwinked, because as a veteran player he should know sometime the plan changes.

[reggie]

i respect WJ for his hard nose style and his goal v VAN,why cant player jus go and shut up .like josh and mannella.i think he also bitched when portland started to bench him.

[Bobo]

IIRC, TFC was down multiple midfielders (Johnson, Chapman, Cheyrou?) when Cooper was brought on board. Regardless, Cooper stepped up and kept his spot, welcome to pro sports. Johnson's moaning has lost him some respect.

[notthesun]

Nothing but sour grapes from Johnson. Pretty disappointed in him to read those comments.

Cooper was going to be signed regardless of Johnson being injured or not. This is simply a case of an injured player losing his place because others took the opportunity for playing time and ran with it, it happens all the time. It happened to Chapman too - he was playing pretty well in the summer, got injured, and then was often not even making the bench for the rest of the season. That's just what happens sometimes. Plus, he says we didn't sign another striker with Giovinco hurt, but we signed Ricketts, so that's just false.

To say he was "disrespected" because we signed a player to improve the team... it wasn't about replacing Johnson at all. He needs to reel in his ego.

[mistercorporate]

And Johnson weighs in on why he left - the disrespect of Cooper being signed when he was injured which didn't happen to other players that got injured.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2017/01/09/ex-tfc-midfielder-will-johnson-left-because-reds-disrespected-him.html

:lurk5:

I think it's just personal branding and a selfish play on his part. He's throwing the organization under the bus to justify his move. He's moving due to the fact he sees us take on a player equally as good as him that gets less than half his salary, while another club with a coach that gave him years of playing time offers him more stability. Going to the press (The Star, since the Sun is pro-TFC) to make public statements like that keeps him in control of his career narrative. Smart play, but cynical none the less.

[shwade]

Maybe if he had better examples he wouldn't come off as such a whiny b...
Sucks when a player has to sound off when he leaves and leave a bad taste in fans' mouths.
Obv they couldn't just go and replace Bradley and Seba. And Irwin definitely had to fight for his place back from Bono well after he returned from injury.

[ag futbol]

Hey, whatever makes him feel better i guess. Totally appreciate that he injured himself winning us a trophy but pro sports being what it is there are no guarantees. Let's face it, Cooper was signed because we needed more impetus of attack from midfield. WJ is not that player and its a signing that should have been made regardless.

Wish him all the best in his new spot but he should lose that chip on his shoulder.

[Ajax TFC]

This comes across as Will thinking that he should have been equal to Bradley, Altidore, and Giovinco. Fact is that, whether they admit it or not, there are different hierarchy levels between players. I think his feeling of having been disrespected comes from being treated equal to the second tier players (the Osorios, Coopers, and Cheyrous) and having the fight for playing time while he probably thought he would be in the top tier with the DPs. It's probably hard to accept being a second tier player on a team after being a top tier player for most of his MLS career. Maybe there could have been more communication with him? Though if I was Vanney/Bez/Manning, I don't think there's much I would have done differently. There's a certain point where things are obvious enough that there's no point explaining it.

[Hamilton_Red]

Another top Canadian thrown on the garbage heap by TFC. This is a real set back as far as I am concerned for next season. Another Dero situation & the fans reaction predictably is to turn on the player. Bad management to let him get away so disgruntled. Frei was our top player for a few seasons and after bad injury we let him go. Not replacing Johnson is a bad sign in my opinion - I'm am not convinced Cooper is as influential a player at all. He is also right about the DP's not being subbed & basically being untouchable. Taking Giovinco off mid-second half might have won us the final. There were plenty of games where Bradley should have been subbed earlier in the season. It's a real weakness for Vanney. I hope that Johnson's winning spirit isn't lost. I don't think that it is a coincidence that he was here the only good season that we have had.

[jloome]

I agree with Johnston. The guy breaks his leg getting us the cup and we make him compete to get his spot back?

It was a cheap move.

Having said that, I think Cooper is a more talented footballer. It was a harsh and cynical decision on the club's part, but they had an opportunity to get better and took it. We didn't need two Michael Bradleys on the field at all times, we needed at least one other guy who can offer both grit and offensive upside and Cooper can do that better than Will.

[Areathrasher]

Lost on the bottom of the last page

Johnson got injured on June 29th.
Cooper was signed August 18th

Johnson played in the three games at the end of August.
Cooper didn't play a game until the Chicago game on September 11th.(Johnson played the full 90 in the Chicago game with Cooper coming on for the last 20)

Sorry - those comments reak of bs to me.

[TFC Tifoso]

From Seba's agent.....

http://www.espnfc.us/story/3035763/torontos-sebastian-giovinco-happy-in-mls-not-interested-in-serie-a-return

[TMAN80]

I agree with Johnston. The guy breaks his leg getting us the cup and we make him compete to get his spot back?

It was a cheap move.

Having said that, I think Cooper is a more talented footballer. It was a harsh and cynical decision on the club's part, but they had an opportunity to get better and took it. We didn't need two Michael Bradleys on the field at all times, we needed at least one other guy who can offer both grit and offensive upside and Cooper can do that better than Will.
Don't think it was a cheap move at all. We didn't run him out, he just didn't want to share minutes. The goal and injury are irrelevant because we still needed a Cooper type player regardless. Pretty sure this is entirely about playing time, and free agency money.

[Super]

Another thing that will almost guarantee Seba staying in Toronto is his salary. I think we tripled his salary compared to when he was at Juventus, so that's definitely a big factor.

[Initial B]

Going to the press (The Star, since the Sun is pro-TFC) to make public statements like that keeps him in control of his career narrative. Smart play, but cynical none the less.
To be Fair Laura Armstrong is a TFC fan, but she's being mentored by Doug Smith (who covers the Raptors), who knows that reporters get the most respect when they keep their subject at arms length, no matter how much of a fan they may be. She and Molinaro are two relatively even-handed reporters on the soccer front.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Will Johnson leaving isn't the black and white hero and villain story we make of DeRo vs MLS&E or as clear cut as Issey.

I appreciate his stay. I got the shirt and will wear it. Good luck to him except against us.

[noimpactinmtl]

To be Fair Laura Armstrong is a TFC fan, but she's being mentored by Doug Smith (who covers the Raptors), who knows that reporters get the most respect when they keep their subject at arms length, no matter how much of a fan they may be. She and Molinaro are two relatively even-handed reporters on the soccer front.

The other end is Bill Simmons, who made no secret where his allegiance lies but remains highly respected in the industry.

The key is to keep a critical mindset, not be afraid to call out the establishment if they did something wrong. Provided the information is correct and accurate.

[C.Ronaldo]

Another top Canadian thrown on the garbage heap by TFC. This is a real set back as far as I am concerned for next season. Another Dero situation & the fans reaction predictably is to turn on the player. Bad management to let him get away so disgruntled. Frei was our top player for a few seasons and after bad injury we let him go. Not replacing Johnson is a bad sign in my opinion - I'm am not convinced Cooper is as influential a player at all. He is also right about the DP's not being subbed & basically being untouchable. Taking Giovinco off mid-second half might have won us the final. There were plenty of games where Bradley should have been subbed earlier in the season. It's a real weakness for Vanney. I hope that Johnson's winning spirit isn't lost. I don't think that it is a coincidence that he was here the only good season that we have had.

our DPs can stink it up all game but often can have a moment of brilliance to win the game back.

there are players that just don't get benched, WJ is not that special in this version of MLS

and this is not a Dero situation, dero was one of the best players in the league that season.

Wish he was on our team but i also wish he would shut up and let the coach do the coaching.


This is interesting stuff with him being one of Bradleys best friends

[Oldtimer]

I think the current management is not Mo Johnston. We have a horrible history so people tend to believe whatever a player's own perceptions are. But I actually think that Vanney cares quite a bit about his players.

We had a top goalkeeper who sat out for several games after achieving fitness, in favour of a second-string goalie, but did he complain? No, he worked hard and got himself into the lineup. Football is a hard game for those with mental toughness, it's not for snowflakes. You put your nose down, you work hard. Only 11 plus max 3 subs get to play, That means there are at least 14 who want to play but can't. Every game. Plus a whole pile of academy players who think they deserve a sniff at the first team.

So maybe Vanney could have taken Will aside, put his arm on his shoulder, and with tears in his eyes say "Will, I feel for you. My heart breaks that our change in formation is not letting you start every game. I weep with you!" Or he could expect Will to be like the other 27 in the room, tough it out and earn his spot.

I'm sure that the fact that as soon as he was eligible, Will announcing that he wanted to try free agency didn't make the club exactly want to change their whole formation to accommodate a one-year player with dubious commitment.

This ain't exactly DeRo under Mo for sure. Maybe Vanney could have handled it a little better on the communication side, but honestly it looks like at least in part a problem with Will's attitude.

[shwade]

I think the current management is not Mo Johnston. We have a horrible history so people tend to believe whatever a player's own perceptions are. But I actually think that Vanney cares quite a bit about his players.

We had a top goalkeeper who sat out for several games after achieving fitness, in favour of a second-string goalie, but did he complain? No, he worked hard and got himself into the lineup. Football is a hard game for those with mental toughness, it's not for snowflakes. You put your nose down, you work hard. Only 11 plus max 3 subs get to play, That means there are at least 14 who want to play but can't. Every game. Plus a whole pile of academy players who think they deserve a sniff at the first team.

So maybe Vanney could have taken Will aside, put his arm on his shoulder, and with tears in his eyes say "Will, I feel for you. My heart breaks that our change in formation is not letting you start every game. I weep with you!" Or he could expect Will to be like the other 27 in the room, tough it out and earn his spot.

I'm sure that the fact that as soon as he was eligible, Will announcing that he wanted to try free agency didn't make the club exactly want to change their whole formation to accommodate a one-year player with dubious commitment.

This ain't exactly DeRo under Mo for sure. Maybe Vanney could have handled it a little better on the communication side, but honestly it looks like at least in part a problem with Will's attitude.

Well said. His comments are especially confusing because anyone over the age of 12 know this is how team sports work..everyone's fighting for a spot everyday. Sucks that he overvalued himself and placed himself on the same tier as our DPs...but if that's how he thought of himself then he was setting himself up for disappointment.

[Yohan]

It's disappointing that this WJ drama thing happened, but in the end, there was no way TFC was going to re-sign WJ at almost 400k salary he was making this season, maybe even without Cooper. I'd guess Bez and Vanney thought TFC had sufficient cover at DM and going to shift that cap hit to another position anyways.

Although if Cooper is signed something close his current salary plus the transfer fee, he might make something close to WJ's salary.

[TFC/Everton]

To be Fair Laura Armstrong is a TFC fan, but she's being mentored by Doug Smith (who covers the Raptors), who knows that reporters get the most respect when they keep their subject at arms length, no matter how much of a fan they may be. She and Molinaro are two relatively even-handed reporters on the soccer front.

Uhm, no she isn’t. In fact, she never watched TFC before this year. She believed MLS to be an inferior league to the Premier League.
She is NOT a TFC supporter. Kurt is.

[jabbronies]

This Will Johnson story is not a surprise. In the middle of the playoff run he had done an interview - I forget with who - but he was pretty upfront about his disappointment with lack of playing time.
EDIT: Here's one interview http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/will-johnson-toronto-fc-tfc-mls-major-league-soccer-playoffs/

Good player - I'd bring him off the bench more than I would start him - but I wouldn't say he's a bench player. Was more than happy to see him start against Montreal in the 2nd leg- we needed a change, and he was the change we needed.
Not a game changing player, so I'm not too broken up that he's gone.

[Red I]

Uhm, no she isn’t. In fact, she never watched TFC before this year. She believed MLS to be an inferior league to the Premier League.
She is NOT a TFC supporter. Kurt is.


While I think it is debatable that she is an TFC supporter, believing MLS is inferior to the Premier League is perhaps facile at best; i'm not sure how it is an indictment of one's allegiance. I guess you can make that argument if you want and still be a TFC fan/supporter.

In my opinion, i see nothing a while lot wrong with Johnson's comments - he felt slighted that the team replaced him after getting injured. Maybe others don't choose to voice it this way, but he did. Maybe his tenure in the league made him felt owed a little more. Maybe he's a little right, maybe not.

That being said, players like Johnson, who are technically on the higher end of the cap-hit spectrum, will always be victim to this type of cut-throat roster management. If you can find someone willing to be paid in the same ballpark salary, and provide what you perceive is better value, i totally understand the move. I also understand the player's attitude that he checked the boxes they wanted him to, just got hurt along the way. I think his presence is a big loss to the team - not easily replaceable... maybe the kids can step up. I think we'll need them to this year

[ensco]

Did Johnson not also have an MCL problem, in addition to his broken leg, or am I just imagining Vanney mentioning that after one of the games late in the regular season?

[Ultra & Proud]

All I have to say is Will Johnson, gritty as he is and with that VC goal and all, is not in any world or dream sequence worth almost $400K. Spending that on a player like him is madness. I would have gone on about this last year but I didn't know he made that much until he left. I though he was in the $250K range and even that's high for what you get plus injuries.

[OgtheDim]

Uhm, no she isn’t. In fact, she never watched TFC before this year. She believed MLS to be an inferior league to the Premier League.
She is NOT a TFC supporter. Kurt is.

Armstrong's been covering the team for a season and a half and is impartial, much like Molinaro. She's not a columnist so opinions are not all that much involved in what she does.

She brings a different perspective to all this, and I for one am glad somebody brings that.

As for Larson being a TFC supporter, were you around during the Nelsen years? Do you not remember his tweets from just last season saying he didn't notice when the supporters ends stopped chanting. I enjoy what he writes but he has his sources, has thus his preferred people in TFC and is ultimately there, like all journos, to sell people on reading his stuff.

None of them (with the possible exception of Armen) can be called a supporter. Nor should they be expected to be.

[molenshtain]

Squizz, Rycroft and Rollins are all supporters in one way or another.

[Gazza_55]

Another thing that will almost guarantee Seba staying in Toronto is his salary. I think we tripled his salary compared to when he was at Juventus, so that's definitely a big factor.

It's a big factor but the salary was doubled not tripled. Serie A salaries are net after tax.

[notthesun]

http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/01/11/toronto-fc-sign-sergio-camargo

TFC sign Sergio Camargo as a Homegrown Player.

[OgtheDim]

The Mariner Scouting Report

:google:




Called into the Voyageurs over 6 years ago

http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2010/06/01/meet-select-seven


PDL time in KW, including captaining them to a title.

http://www.uslpdl.com/news_article/show/653046?referrer_id=2242498


Dude is slightly taller then Seba. They must see something in his mentality to sign him to a HG.

[Captain]

http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2017/01/11/toronto-fc-sign-sergio-camargo

TFC sign Sergio Camargo as a Homegrown Player.

Why did they sign Camargo ahead of other players from TFC II? Why not bring him to Spring training and see how he plays with the first team? I'm clearly confused by this signing.

[notthesun]

He's a central attacking midfielder, we don't have any prospects in that mold with TFC II. He certainly took a non-traditional development path, I have to assume management has been keeping a close eye on him and they must have liked his progression. Keep in mind he could still (and probably will) play with TFC II on loan.

[Red CB Toronto]

Why did they sign Camargo ahead of other players from TFC II? Why not bring him to Spring training and see how he plays with the first team? I'm clearly confused by this signing.

Once you get to roster spot 25-30, as I believe the league added two spot for the purpose of homegrown sginings does it really matter, as there is a pretty good chance they will be seeing most of their time in the USL anyways.

[PopePouri]

The Mariner Scouting Report

:google:




Called into the Voyageurs over 6 years ago

http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2010/06/01/meet-select-seven


PDL time in KW, including captaining them to a title.

http://www.uslpdl.com/news_article/show/653046?referrer_id=2242498


Dude is slightly taller then Seba. They must see something in his mentality to sign him to a HG.

Remember him from the Liverpool friendly. Helped set up the goal for Amarikwa.


https://youtu.be/WBzB3CRWzWc

I've always been impressed with him.

[OgtheDim]

Molinaro is tweeting a tease about what an article he is dropping latter tonight - How Mark Bloom feels having left TFC

Its the opposite of Johnson, it seems.

(Gosh I can't wait until silly season ends)

[oxygenatedbrain]

Non-traditional path or not, he took precisely the same path as Chapman. Probably for similar reasons...which are never discussed.

[mowe]

Why did they sign Camargo ahead of other players from TFC II? Why not bring him to Spring training and see how he plays with the first team? I'm clearly confused by this signing.

If TFC didn't put a homegrown claim on him he would've gone through the draft. Might as well sign him now and decide what to do with him later.

[Areathrasher]

Non-traditional path or not, he took precisely the same path as Chapman. Probably for similar reasons...which are never discussed.

Go on...

[OgtheDim]

And...a second helping of :lurk5:

https://twitter.com/4totera/status/819288470531219457

[reggie]

Molinaro is tweeting a tease about what an article he is dropping latter tonight - How Mark Bloom feels having left TFC

Its the opposite of Johnson, it seems.

(Gosh I can't wait until silly season ends)
who really cares about what former players think.how about talking about the draft.cap space,training camp.

[notthesun]

Cristian Higuita potentially available according to Matt Doyle... I'd be all over that if we're looking for a Johnson replacement.

[molenshtain]

Cristian Higuita potentially available according to Matt Doyle... I'd be all over that if we're looking for a Johnson replacement.

We have Delgado.

[notthesun]

I've always seen Delgado as a box-to-box mid rather than a defensive destroyer type. And I guess Johnson is a box-to-box mid as well, but in my mind I was thinking he'd be a replacement for the grit and defensive work rate that Johnson provided.

I don't know management's plans and how exactly they see our midfield but Higuita is 22, made only 80k, and is pretty good, I'd take a look if it were me.

[molenshtain]

Fair enough. I think Delgado has shown qualities going box-to-box as well as at Dmid. He's certainly has a knack for getting in the right spots once he's in the box. Particularly his ability to make near post runs is definitely impressive for a player of his age and position. I've seen Premier league strikers with less understanding of where to go in the box on crosses.

But I think he showed really well at d-mid in the four game spell he had over the summer where we went on the four game win streak without most of our starting lineup. The 3-0 over Columbus in particular saw a monster performance from him as a stay at home d-mid.

Higuita for sure would be a valuable asset, but I'd probably go after someone more in the mold of Johnson. Older but still able to provide 1500-2000 minutes across all competitions. Having two young guys of relatively equal talent at the same position leads to problems under our roster structure. It's the same reason I don't want a prime age AM - I don't think we should be aiming to take minutes away from our very talented young core for short term gain. I think Javier Morales for instance would have been a much better guy for us to go after at that position then someone younger and possibly better. I'm still kinda salty we didn't even go after him.

Anyway. I'm just glad we have options. I would't be surprised if we sign one or even no players from outside the draft or our academy.

[OgtheDim]

who really cares about what former players think.how about talking about the draft.cap space,training camp.

So we spend a couple of days yelling about Johnson and the journo who wrote that one up and then of course ignore the nice guy?

Bloom rates the team highly - worth a read as an exit interview and for describing how that went down.

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/819328927319674880

[Soccerpro]

So we spend a couple of days yelling about Johnson and the journo who wrote that one up and then of course ignore the nice guy?

Bloom rates the team highly - worth a read as an exit interview and for describing how that went down.

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/819328927319674880

Molinaro wrote several feature articles a year on Mark Bloom. By all account he's a nice guy, but he hardly played. Strange journalism.

[notthesun]

Fair enough. I think Delgado has shown qualities going box-to-box as well as at Dmid. He's certainly has a knack for getting in the right spots once he's in the box. Particularly his ability to make near post runs is definitely impressive for a player of his age and position. I've seen Premier league strikers with less understanding of where to go in the box on crosses.

But I think he showed really well at d-mid in the four game spell he had over the summer where we went on the four game win streak without most of our starting lineup. The 3-0 over Columbus in particular saw a monster performance from him as a stay at home d-mid.

Higuita for sure would be a valuable asset, but I'd probably go after someone more in the mold of Johnson. Older but still able to provide 1500-2000 minutes across all competitions. Having two young guys of relatively equal talent at the same position leads to problems under our roster structure. It's the same reason I don't want a prime age AM - I don't think we should be aiming to take minutes away from our very talented young core for short term gain. I think Javier Morales for instance would have been a much better guy for us to go after at that position then someone younger and possibly better. I'm still kinda salty we didn't even go after him.

Anyway. I'm just glad we have options. I would't be surprised if we sign one or even no players from outside the draft or our academy.

Morales, now that would have been interesting. I would've liked to see that. On limited minutes I think he can still be a game breaker.

[ag futbol]

And...a second helping of :lurk5:

https://twitter.com/4totera/status/819288470531219457
Oh dear god. I like aspects of what Totera does but he always seems to be the last-chance hotel of airing your TFC dirty laundry.

And yes, credit to Bloom. He could have plenty to stew about given his limited chances to see action but he kept it pretty classy.

[notthesun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znhMwgIISl0

New interview with Bez. Quick notes:

- Talks a bit about Camargo, notably saying he would fit in as an attacking mid "in our 3-5-2 system" (personally I still expect us to begin the season using a 3-5-2 setup)
- Says he feels this draft class is weaker than last year
- Says he finds the draft tends to produce more decent CBs and fullbacks than midfielders (I think this is a hint as to what we'll be looking for in the draft)
- Expects draft picks to play at the USL level

[molenshtain]

I think he's fairly grateful for us staying by him while he had two years out with injuries. We didn't have to do that.

[Derko]

Johnson, I liked him, his grit no holds barred attitude, loved it. Too bad he had to go, but as numerous posters on this board, those who's player critique is far better than mine, moaned that Johnson was a luxury when signed, TFC needed a playmaker not another Bradley type player that we had a few of, Cheyrou ( whom I think is a more skilled and a more sublime player than Johnson was), Delgado, and all those TFCll players that need minutes to name a few. So Johnson is complaining that he was mistreated, and Cooper was signed on loan, the playmaker we all wanted. Life in the big leagues, this ain't TimBits soccer, So stop your whining and carry on with your career. Sad to see you go but at 400,000 salary, ain't going to work for a 'Grit' player. Just my opinion

[Areathrasher]

That Bez interview - he says "a very congested May". Lots of MLS and VCup?

[mowe]

Molinaro wrote several feature articles a year on Mark Bloom. By all account he's a nice guy, but he hardly played. Strange journalism.

Molinaro has been on really good terms with Bloom and his wife for years. It's an easy way for him to get an exclusive interview. I guarantee when we first play Atlanta there will be a 1-on-1 with Mark Bloom with all the details of how he's adjusting to his new team etc.

[Graeme]

Molinaro wrote several feature articles a year on Mark Bloom. By all account he's a nice guy, but he hardly played. Strange journalism.

I don't think that's fair. He was our starting right back for a whole season!

[Hamilton_Red]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znhMwgIISl0

New interview with Bez. Quick notes:

- Talks a bit about Camargo, notably saying he would fit in as an attacking mid "in our 3-5-2 system" (personally I still expect us to begin the season using a 3-5-2 setup)
- Says he feels this draft class is weaker than last year
- Says he finds the draft tends to produce more decent CBs and fullbacks than midfielders (I think this is a hint as to what we'll be looking for in the draft)
- Expects draft picks to play at the USL level

I like his comments on the Canadian player rule changes.. this is going to have a good effect on the game here. Also the comment on the impact of the all Canadian semi-final and the massive attendance and TV ratings. It has opened the eyes of the league on what is possible. Make no mistake there is no team in MLS that would not wish to have the quality of the rivalry between us and Montreal. This is huge for the game here.

[Leedsoronto]

He's a central attacking midfielder, we don't have any prospects in that mold with TFC II. He certainly took a non-traditional development path, I have to assume management has been keeping a close eye on him and they must have liked his progression. Keep in mind he could still (and probably will) play with TFC II on loan.

We had Mannella, CM, who was made capt of TFC 2

I am also confuzzled now.

[PopePouri]

Mannella wasn't an attacking mid.

[Leedsoronto]

Mannella wasn't an attacking mid.

Actually he was in L1O before he was made to be a defensive mid in USL, but hey, he gone now I suppose and that's that.

[PopePouri]

Actually he was in L1O before he was made to be a defensive mid in USL, but hey, he gone now I suppose and that's that.

Sure he was played there in the past, he lacks the attributes to succeed there namely the final pass and a goal outlet. He did play it last season when he lost his spot to Liam Fraser.

[Stress]

Rumour has it TFC/TFC II might have extended a low ball offer to Manella but he passed on it to explore other opportunities. Perhaps Camargo was indeed a replacement for Manella.

[Red CB Toronto]

Rumour has it TFC/TFC II might have extended a low ball offer to Manella but he passed on it to explore other opportunities. Perhaps Camargo was indeed a replacement for Manella.

I would assume he was offered a USL contract. Ayo Akinola is another kid who apparently is weighing a home grown contract offer from the Reds after rejecting a USL contract with TFC2. The U17 US international apparently also has offers from Europe.

[Areathrasher]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/819653727350964224

http://www.transfermarkt.com/semir-stilic/profil/spieler/46340

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/819653727350964224

http://www.transfermarkt.com/semir-stilic/profil/spieler/46340

This was one of the guys I speculated back in August that we might have been looking at: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?38719-TFC-2016-In-Season-player-moves-speculation-rumours-etc&p=1806886&viewfull=1#post1806886

FWIW I thought he was the most likely option there since he was out of contract and within price range, as far as I'm aware he's still without a contract. He was very good in the Polish first division.

I was hoping we'd be after Maxim but he's too expensive to be a TAM player.

[Jpexxx]

I like where their heads were at with that one.

Maybe they will attempt to find defensive depth in the Draft, and look abroad for a CAM

[PopePouri]

It really depends what Vanney wants to stick to the 3 man backline. If that's the case, we need 2 CBs at least.

[ag futbol]

Mariner scouting report looks impressive.

Why has he been without a club for this long though?

[reggie]

Check this tweet.

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Bezbatchenko on adding players: “The transfer window is open until May 8. We want to see what we have and give our USL guys a shot."




what about the back up RB and CB,they dont have any at the usl club

[ensco]

Why are we looking for a number 10 when it's Seba's natural position or Cooper can play there? You can always start Ricketts instead of Osorio. Or just let Osorio continue to develop there (my preferred scenario).. Osorio showed a lot there down the stretch. Chapman should get minutes at AM too.

We are probably thinner at striker than at AM.

I didn't like Bez's "3-5-2" system comment. It pigeonholes you for no good reason. Not many wingbacks can really play it, including Beitashour I fear, and it'll burn out those who do over time (how on earth would we play it if Morrow got hurt?)

I have too many bad memories of that 4-3-3 nonsense. You adjust, you fit your system to the talent and circumstances. As Vanney did last year.

[Auzzy]

I agree that flexibility & realism is necessary, but I don't think Seba wants to play in a real #10 role, not in MLS.

[mistercorporate]

Seba isn't a traditional #10, he's a second striker. He wanted that # for prestige purposes as it's highly regarded in Italy.

[Areathrasher]

Couple of interesting bits from Larsons column today


Toronto FC Academy product Raheem Edwards is closing in on a first-team deal and the Reds have high hopes for young striker Ben Spencer. Both will be with Toronto FC in pre-season.


The Reds are in no hurry to add the playmaking midfielder they’ve been pursuing for two seasons.
“I don’t think we’re imminent on singing anyone,” Bezbatchenko said. “There are a couple of guys we’re looking at internationally.”
The Reds are cap tight given the number of current players who hit bonuses last year and were awarded new contracts.
They do, however, have room to add a low-level TAM player whose transfer fee is in the low six-figures.
“We don’t feel like we need to be in a rush,” Bezbatchenko said. “Part of us wants to evaluate in pre-season.
“The transfer window is open until May 8. We want to see what we have and give our USL guys a shot. That’s the next step here.”


Given Manning had said they had more cap room and flexibility this year - I'm starting to wonder if Bez is putting these "not much room" types of comments out to drive down prices in negotiations with agents?

[C.Ronaldo]

the coach needs to at least test it out with seba at AM. its proven to work with rickets and jozy (with both willing to track back) even Hamilton will bag a bunch in with proper service.

[C.Ronaldo]

Couple of interesting bits from Larsons column today



Given Manning had said they had more cap room and flexibility this year - I'm starting to wonder if Bez is putting these "not much room" types of comments out to drive down prices in negotiations with agents?

im reading in between the lines and seeing as they are cap tight with the "budgeted" players.

[OgtheDim]

Kinda hard to make an offer for Johnson and then be cap tight.

Whatever he was offered + Tam is out there.

[KurtLarSUN]

Kinda hard to make an offer for Johnson and then be cap tight.

Whatever he was offered + Tam is out there.

Keep in mind the Timbers were playing half of Johnson's budget number.

[Red CB Toronto]

Keep in mind the Timbers were playing half of Johnson's budget number.

Does that also split the cap hit?