Match Day 32 - A Night to make DCU Blanche - DCU @ TFC Sat Oct 1 7:30 pm

[OgtheDim]

https://nbto.com/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/NB16_image.f8f8e37adb99301c64ac5ec60b7178ee.jpg

Have At It People

[OgtheDim]

Here you come again
Just when I've begun to get myself together
You waltz right in the door
Just like you've done before
And wrap my heart 'round your little finger

Here you come again
Just when I'm about to make it work without you
You look into my eyes
And lie those pretty lies
And pretty soon I'm wonderin' how I came to doubt you

All you got to do is smile that smile
And there go all my defenses
Just leave it up to you and in a little while
You're messin' up my mind and fillin' up my senses

Here you come again
Lookin' better than a body has a right to
And shakin' me up so that all I really know
Is here you come again
And here I go


Dolly knows people...Dolly knows.

[Joe Kool]

Can we win this one? Good pressure and chances all game long. Pretty please....

[Jack]

Just win.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Tough one. Buckle down and give em hell.

[stevep]

[QUOTE=Jack;1813480]Just win.[/QUOTE


it depends if seba's playing, i think the last 3 home games have proved that

[Red4ever]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-04/16/16/campaign_images/webdr11/12-time-blanche-devereaux-from-the-golden-girls-1-2-5337-1460837785-11_dblbig.jpg

[stevep]

im confused about something:

vancouver won a concacaf game yesterday
shouldnt we be playing in that game?
didn't we win the canadian championship?

[Pinkie]

im confused about something:

vancouver won a concacaf game yesterday
shouldnt we be playing in that game?
didn't we win the canadian championship?

They made it into this year's CCL by being the highest placed Canadian team last year since it was a transition year (someone can correct me if I'm wrong lol)

We're playing in the 2017 CCL.

[Cas87]

They made it into this year's CCL by being the highest placed Canadian team last year since it was a transition year (someone can correct me if I'm wrong lol)

We're playing in the 2017 CCL.

You are correct, the Canadian championship changed from the winner entering the same year's CCL to entering the following one instead (i.e. Vancouver got the 2015 CC and entered the 2016-17 CCL, we won the 2016 CC and will start in the 2017-18 CCL).

The move was made in order to alleviate the potential for adding extra games mid-week (outside of MLS mid-week) and the constant change of scheduling changes mid-season in MLS.

[Initial B]

I think this is the game they start winning again. DCU is feeling pretty good right about now, but TFC has something to prove. I don't think DCU will bunker for points, they'll try and play to show they can hang with the top of the east. That's where TFC will win.

[Fort York Redcoat]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-04/16/16/campaign_images/webdr11/12-time-blanche-devereaux-from-the-golden-girls-1-2-5337-1460837785-11_dblbig.jpg


:smilielol5:

[ryan]

[QUOTE=Jack;1813480]Just win.[/QUOTE


it depends if seba's playing, i think the last 3 home games have proved that

was already ruled out of playing earlier in the week according to the media. Won't see him till the Montreal game.

[Scotty74]

After 3 home draws in a row it's must win for me if we want to win the East or at least finish top 2.

[khso11]

Want to see something like this (4-3-1-2)

--------Jozy-----Hamilton/Seba--------
----------------Cooper------------------
--Bradley---Cheyrou----Johnson------
Morrow--Moor--Zaveleta--Beitashour
----------------Irwin--------------------

Subs:
70' Delgado>Cheyrou
80' Osorio>Cooper

[OgtheDim]

Want to see something like this (4-3-1-2)

--------Jozy-----Hamilton/Seba--------
----------------Cooper------------------
--Bradley---Cheyrou----Johnson------
Morrow--Moor--Zaveleta--Beitashour
----------------Irwin--------------------

Subs:
70' Delgado>Cheyrou
80' Osorio>Cooper

Switch Cheyrou with Bradley and I'm in on that one.

[C.Ronaldo]

babs and Jozy start,

Hamilton in for Jozy when hes gassed

[gmacpheetfc]

My friend the communist
Holds meetings in his RV
I can't afford his gas
So I'm stuck here watching TV
I don't have digital
I don't have diddly squat
It's not having what you want
It's wanting what you've got

I'm gonna soak up the sun
Gonna tell everyone
To lighten up
I'm gonna tell 'em that
I've got no one to blame
For every time I feel lame
I'm looking up
I'm gonna soak up the sun
I'm gonna soak up the sun

I've got a crummy job
It don't pay near enough
To buy the things it takes
To win me some of your love
Every time I turn around
I'm looking up, you're looking down
Maybe something's wrong with you
That makes you act the way you do

I'm gonna soak up the sun
Gonna tell everyone
To lighten up
I'm gonna tell 'em that
I've got no one to blame
For every time I feel lame
I'm looking up
I'm gonna soak up the sun
While it's still free
I'm gonna soak up the sun
Before it goes out on me

Don't have no master suite
But I'm still the king of me
You have a fancy ride, but baby
I'm the one who has the key
Every time I turn around
I'm looking up, you're looking down
Maybe something's wrong with you
That makes you act the way you do
Maybe I am crazy too

I'm gonna soak up the sun
Gonna tell everyone
To lighten up
I'm gonna tell 'em that
I've got no one to blame
For every time I feel lame
I'm looking up

I'm gonna soak up the sun
Gonna tell everyone
To lighten up (I'm gonna tell 'em that)
I've got no one to blame
For every time I feel lame
I'm looking up

I'm gonna soak up the sun
I got my 45 on
So I can rock on

[woolly]

Is there any news as to whether Ricketts red was repealed?

[notthesun]

Sigh... multiple journos saying Giovinco is "questionable" for this. He's been questionable for like 3 weeks now...

I say put him on the bench and hope we don't need to use him.

[Pinkie]

Sigh... multiple journos saying Giovinco is "questionable" for this. He's been questionable for like 3 weeks now...

really??? still questionable??? what is going oooon with him.

[stevep]

really??? still questionable??? what is going oooon with him.


maybe it's a way to sell more tickets, give people hope he is playing so come down and see the game

mlse is one tricky bunch,

[CBTFC]

This could be the late season swoon that always seems to make for an early playoff exit, even if we do finish 1st or 2nd.

Need to get on a roll, and quick. Bill Hamid is one of the best keepers in the league so it'll be important to get some shots on net, not just one or two. Shoot from all angles, tap in a rebound.

I would almost argue at this point in putting Cooper in AM role instead of Osorio. He's quick on the ball, great with both feet and can make short sharp passes.

[Bobo]

Switch Cheyrou with Bradley and I'm in on that one.

Think the Philly game proved Cheyrou doesn't have the engine to play outside mid. And to be honest I think I'd rather have Cheyrou spraying the passes around the mid.

[notthesun]

NYCFC beat Houston, so we need to win this game to keep pace.

[greatwhitenorf]

Never mind Seba. We can beat DC without him. But someone needs to stick a taser into Captain Bradley and wakehimthefuckup!

Playing dozy, strollabout soccer the past few weeks. Summers Up! Fall is here and it's Go Time!.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0VLXzG1xEk

[Joe Kool]

NYCFC won so they are in first now. We need a win to take back first place in the east. A tie won't cut it. You hearing me TFC? Enough ties let's win!

[OgtheDim]

Game Day :scarf:

[OgtheDim]

Sooo....apparently we have a game tonight and are lacking one of our midfielders with injury.

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/782243794053890048

[CBTFC]

*in seattle capo voice* FIGHT! AND WIN!

[DinamoTFC]

We need to finish top 2. Really important.

[Stress]

Quick question... If I get tickets from a friend through the account manager, can I just show the pdf on my phone or do i need an actual print out? Anybody know?

[CBTFC]

I have gone a couple times this year with a PDF ticket from a third party, and the barcode was easily scanned on my phone.

[Oldtimer]

I have this feeling that DCU is going to trash TFC. 3-0 DC.

If Giovinco is back and plays at least 30 minutes TFC wins instead.

[Stress]

I have gone a couple times this year with a PDF ticket from a third party, and the barcode was easily scanned on my phone.

thanks!

[Auzzy]

Quick question... If I get tickets from a friend through the account manager, can I just show the pdf on my phone or do i need an actual print out? Anybody know?

I've also gone in often this year with the pdf on my phone, no problem. I usually just zoom in to the bar code to make it easy to scan

[C.Ronaldo]

Does tbe wet conditions change things for gio?

[Stress]

Does tbe wet conditions change things for gio?

Yeah I doubt we'll see him. If we do, likely as a sub because we are losing. Will be interesting to see who replaces Ricketts.

[spe18]

Yeah I doubt we'll see him. If we do, likely as a sub because we are losing. Will be interesting to see who replaces Ricketts.

Hamilton or Mo? :)

[CBTFC]

I'd personally like to see Babouli start this game, as Hamilton hasn't shown me anything unique the past few matches.

[Discostu81]

I'd personally like to see Babouli start this game, as Hamilton hasn't shown me anything unique the past few matches.

Agreed. His last couple of starts, I soon forget he's playing as his contribution has been so little. Give Mo another crack at it.

[reggie]

i dont have a good feeling about this one.DC is hot,they are a hard working team that dont give you any space.without GIO we are way too predictable and boring,jozy looked slow and tired the last 2 games.i would start BG at the DM and MB at the 10,hope im wrong:scarf:

[SoccMan2]

The bad form will continue I think this team is done 3-1 DC United I just don't see how this team miraculously changes into another team from the one we have seen perform the last 4 home games unfortunately. If they are lucky they might pick up one more point from their last home game, I think the Montreal game in Montreal is also a loss which leaves them with possibly picking up a point in their last home game. I'm thinking they will barely secure that one game knockout home game by finishing fourth, but then I'm seeing a loss by a coup[le of goals or more in the one game knockout playoff game at BMO. I think the old TFC is back and here to stay unfortunately until they lose at home in the one game playoff knockout game. These last four home games have just convinced me that this team is still not good enough unfortunately, it sucks but it is what is, there is always next year I guess.

[Onyx]

The bad form will continue I think this team is done 3-1 DC United I just don't see how this team miraculously changes into another team from the one we have seen perform the last 4 home games unfortunately. If they are lucky they might pick up one more point from their last home game, I think the Montreal game in Montreal is also a loss which leaves them with possibly picking up a point in their last home game. I'm thinking they will barely secure that one game knockout home game by finishing fourth, but then I'm seeing a loss by a coup[le of goals or more in the one game knockout playoff game at BMO. I think the old TFC is back and here to stay unfortunately until they lose at home in the one game playoff knockout game. These last four home games have just convinced me that this team is still not good enough unfortunately, it sucks but it is what is, there is always next year I guess.

i think we will draw out and finish with 52pts, maybe for #2 or #3 seed.
I think the NYRB will get 7 in last 3, for 55pts and win the east.

the east is so bad this year, I can't see us not making thru couple rounds. Look at our record against these crap teams over past two months.

[CBTFC]

There's a really low cloud ceiling over the city for the night, with winds swirling at 21km/h and gusts up to 32km/h. Light drizzle for the duration of the game.

I can foresee a sloppy match. Time to crash and bang and bring it to 'em hockey style!

[Kamp Berg]

I really hope to see a different approach to the game tonight. DC usually fields a 4-1-4-1, a 3-5-2 or a 4-2-3-1 would be a good idea tonight.

[notthesun]

i think we will draw out and finish with 52pts, maybe for #2 or #3 seed.
I think the NYRB will get 7 in last 3, for 55pts and win the east.

the east is so bad this year, I can't see us not making thru couple rounds. Look at our record against these crap teams over past two months.

Bradley could be lifting the MLS Cup over his head and that guy would post on here at the same time that "there's always next year".

[stevep]

i dont have a good feeling about this one.DC is hot,they are a hard working team that dont give you any space.without GIO we are way too predictable and boring,jozy looked slow and tired the last 2 games.i would start BG at the DM and MB at the 10,hope im wrong:scarf:


for what it's worth oddsmakers have it:

58% chance tfc win
22% chance tfc tie
20% chance tfc loss

[khso11]

I predict TFC winning 2-0 tonight. After Bradley's comment on the atmosphere mid-week, I feel he will have a stand-out game trying to prove something, but it could mean that he will get his 5th yellow, and get suspended for the next game.

Let's set all the bs aside for 90 minutes and support the team to the end. A win might change everything.......on and off the field. #COYR!

[OgtheDim]

Protest is over.

Change is in the air.

Time to bring it.

I think we take em. They are a better team than they used to be, but position by position, we are better than them.

Time to bring the noise.

[Detroit_TFC]

Good news.

[Leedsoronto]

I'd personally like to see Babouli start this game, as Hamilton hasn't shown me anything unique the past few matches.

Agreed, Mo starting is better. Hamilton appears static when he gets a start, maybe use him as a late sub

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/782346856567218176

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/782347359929925632

[Discostu81]

Who did Beitashour upset?

[Detroit_TFC]

Who did Beitashour upset?

He's carrying a knock, if I recall correctly.

[Discostu81]

Ah, that's makes more sense.


He's carrying a knock, if I recall correctly.

[molenshtain]

Lovitz in the middle. yikes.

[OgtheDim]

Swirling winds just like Wednesday.

First night game since Montreal. Place is already buzzing.

Players all just went and clapped the fans in the south. Nice move.

[ronzilla]

Streams

http://firstsrowsports.eu/soccer/first-toronto-fc-dc-united-row71318a


http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-dc-united-live-streaming


http://realstreamunited.tv/soccer/toronto-fc-dc-united-rsu31821g?l=1676505330


http://wiz1.net/channel48


http://streamhdeu.net/lsh/stream4.php


http://www.nowfeed2all.eu/watch/471577/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united.html


http://www.nowfeed2all.eu/watch/471577/2/watch-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united.html

[notthesun]

Pretty lame that this is being put on TSN2 while a Raptors preseason game gets the main feed, but I guess you can't argue against the ratings.

[notthesun]

TSN is showing the lineup as a 3-5-2 with Lovitz at LWB and Morrow as the left-sided CB.

[Hugh Jazz]

I was just about to point out this personnel could easily switch to that.

[General Woolfe]

What's going on with Seba??

I remember three games back he wanted to start. He always seems to be one game away from returning. Is Vanney not being straight with us? Is the injury worse than he's letting on?

[James17930]

What's going on with Seba??

I remember three games back he wanted to start. He always seems to be one game away from returning. Is Vanney not being straight with us? Is the injury worse than he's letting on?

Probably just a matter of Seba really wanting to come back but TFC not wanting to rush him.

[General Woolfe]

Probably just a matter of Seba really wanting to come back but TFC not wanting to rush him.

In case Vanney hasnt noticed, were really missing him

[Yohan]

I'm seeing a repeat of Wed's game right now. creating chances, not putting them away

[Jack]

I'm seeing a repeat of Wed's game right now. creating chances, not putting them away
BOOM!!!

[notthesun]

Kill me.

[General Woolfe]

Absolute garbage defending :facepalm:

[Jack]

And boom. Fuck.

[James17930]

Sigh.

[Jack]

Beyond the disappointment with the goal, I have been pleased with Cooper tonight. Less so with Osorio. All he had to do on that early chance was touch it in front of Altidore and Jozy could bury it. Instead, as he always does, he took an extra touch or two and fucked up a great chance.

[Alonso]

Zavelleta is costing this team points.

Nail him to the bench.

[Jack]

Man...Lovitz..what the hell was that?

[Hamilton_Red]

Bloom
Baboulli
Lovitz

Just not good enough lets fave it.

[Jack]

Zavelleta is costing this team points.

Nail him to the bench.
I don't see how you put that play on Zavaleta. He reacted to a ball that was pinging around in the box because TFC let that through ball through on the right. That's the initial breakdown.

[Jack]

Bloom
Baboulli
Lovitz

Just not good enough lets fave it.
Yes.

But damn...nice ball by Cooper!

[General Woolfe]

Awful. At this rate were going to end up third and playing a side who are hot having just made the cut :(

[Leedsoronto]

Babouli initially lost the ball in possession leading to the goal, we must try harder

[nonc]

Is Cheyrou injured? It's unbelievable not to have him on the field. Pitiful attack and an even worse goal allowed. I feel bad that Cooper has to play with so many mugs.

[General Woolfe]

Zavelleta is costing this team points.

Nail him to the bench.

We should commit to Haglund and stick with him

[Hugh Jazz]

I don't see how you put that play on Zavaleta. He reacted to a ball that was pinging around in the box because TFC let that through ball through on the right. That's the initial breakdown.

Yup, thought he was at fault too but after seeing it again I don't think he really had much time to react. He's had a couple slips on the ball but he did also cause the turnover leading to our goal.

[ag futbol]

Bloom
Baboulli
Lovitz

Just not good enough lets fave it.
Babouli hasn't done anything wrong. He's providing guys with an outlet and moving the ball quickly. It not like anyone has found him the ball in a good position, he's doing his part.

Pretty good half. Shame it had to be wasted on some bone head defending and letting our guard down following the goal.

[notthesun]

Lovitz is simply not at this level. It destroys any good we can do with this formation when the move is killed almost every time we spread the ball left.

[Hugh Jazz]

I'm happy with Vanney's decisions for this one. Cooper is the best fit at the base of our midfield trio with Bradley. No one else has the mobility and technique to do the job there. Having the wingbacks stay high also allowed us to dictate the game and put DC on the back foot. Things were looking good before we conceded.

[__wowza]

Pretty lame that this is being put on TSN2 while a Raptors preseason game gets the main feed, but I guess you can't argue against the ratings.


don't mind my laziness reposting something i threw up on reddit :D


a decent TV deal would always help. you can't really build steady viewership when you've broadcast your last 3 games on TSN4, TSN2 and SN360. this doesn't help the argument about TFCs TV ratings for two reasons:



it's inconsistent compared to other toronto sports teams. the Argos air exclusively on TSN1/3/4/5, the Leafs air on CBC/SN, the Raptors air on TSN1 with pregame specials on TSN2/4 and the Jays air on Sportsnet.

TSN2 and SN 360 don't come on a remotely basic TV package. which means that if i even want to consider watching TFC play at home, i have to purchase bells "better" or rogers "popular" package for $75 a month.



it's kind've hard promote a team when you have to say "alright, so 14 of the leagues 34 games are going to be aired on a basic cable package, but you'll have to pay $75 to see the rest. oh.. also.. the channels going to change every week so you'll just have to keep an eye out for it".

[AFCB+TFC]

Bloom
Baboulli
Lovitz

Just not good enough lets fave it.

Agreed, it's honestly frustrating watching players of this level play with our quality DP's. Those guys would be lucky to start in League 2 in England.

[ag futbol]

No Chapman again? Arg, that's kind of frustrating.

[Redcoe15]

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

No team that is supposed to be a league top tier gives up a goal two minutes after scoring the opening goal!

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

[Jack]

Yup, thought he was at fault too but after seeing it again I don't think he really had much time to react. He's had a couple slips on the ball but he did also cause the turnover leading to our goal.
Yeah, it really wasn't on him. He was reacting to a good ball across after a bad turnover. That was on the whole team.


Lovitz is simply not at this level. It destroys any good we can do with this formation when the move is killed almost every time we spread the ball left.
I'd like to see us bring in Hagglund in the back three and push Morrow out wide while sitting Lovitz.


Agreed, it's honestly frustrating watching players of this level play with our quality DP's. Those guys would be lucky to start in League 2 in England.
After ten years, we are still comparing MLS bench players to England?

[mistercorporate]

Here you go folks, it's on me...you're welcome :D

I don't see what else Vanney could do, we had more chances than them, hopefully more of them go in next half!

http://www.herbmuseum.ca/files/images/prozac-1.jpg

[Jack]

Here you go folks, it's on me...you're welcome :D

I don't see what else Vanney could do, we had more chances than them, hopefully more of them go in next half!

http://www.herbmuseum.ca/files/images/prozac-1.jpg
We were definitely dominant and I have to say the goal was a brain fart. That said, we should probably have at least two, if not three. Osorio bungled that early chance in the box that I haven't seen anyone mention and then the Bloom chance was a close one. I'm not displeased with our play, but Lovitz has to be subbed.

[__wowza]

Here you go folks, it's on me...you're welcome :D

I don't see what else Vanney could do, we had more chances than them, hopefully more of them go in next half!

http://www.herbmuseum.ca/files/images/prozac-1.jpg


second place team in the league, 2 points back with 3 games remaining..
PLUS! we don't have to do math to figure out if we're in the playoffs!!

no "well.. if we lose and new england ties then we'll just have to win one of the next three.." this season!!

we're doing fine for now folks.

[mistercorporate]

We might be the only Toronto team going into the playoffs this fall, let's enjoy it and get the whole city behind us!! There will be 38,000 seats for our home playoff game, let's fill it up!!

[General Woolfe]

Throw yourself at it Lovitz!!

[Detroit_TFC]

Quite a mixed bag. Definitely better first half than last few games. But so many little problems (and that DC goal, more than a little problem)...

In second half can see TFC creating more goal chances, but goals? I don't know. If we can see another skill goal from JA, that would make my night.

[Jack]

That looked like a penalty.

[CBTFC]

Cooper should be CAM instead of Osorio. Argh.

Need a better effort in the 2nd.

[Jack]

Cooper should be CAM instead of Osorio. Argh.

Need a better effort in the 2nd.
Yeah. I'd like to see him in that spot with Cheyrou coming on to push him forward.

[General Woolfe]

Pathetic

Moor has got plaudits all season. He was asleep there

Its going to be tough to win this one now

[Detroit_TFC]

Dammit.

[ag futbol]

What the hell just happened?

[Jack]

http://www.snoringmouthpieceguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/choking-on-snoring-device-266x300.jpg

[Redcoe15]

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU LET THESE ASSHOLES TAKE THE LEAD?????!!!!!!!!!!

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

[General Woolfe]

Given too many simple passes go astray, what makes our players think the Hollywood pass is going to come off?

[AFCB+TFC]

Yeah, it really wasn't on him. He was reacting to a good ball across after a bad turnover. That was on the whole team.


I'd like to see us bring in Hagglund in the back three and push Morrow out wide while sitting Lovitz.


After ten years, we are still comparing MLS bench players to England?

Why not? it's the easiest comparison to make to compare MLS to the English football pyramid. MLS in my opinion is currently on par with League 1 regarding its non DP starters. Why? average MLS starters like Oso are clearly not English Championship level, and bench players like Bloom, Lovitz and Babouli are clearly not as good as Oso- therefore they are League 2 players in England at best. Also whenever I see a League 2 team play a PL team in a cup tie they look as good or better than those 3 players.

Do you have a better suggestion for comparison?

[Jack]

Why not? it's the easiest comparison to make to compare MLS to the English football pyramid. MLS in my opinion is currently on par with League 1 regarding its non DP starters. Why? average MLS starters like Oso are clearly not English Championship level, and bench players like Bloom, Lovitz and Babouli are clearly not as good as Oso- therefore they are League 2 players in England at best. Also whenever I see a League 2 team play a PL team in a cup tie they look as good or better than those 3 players.

Do you have a better suggestion for comparison?

Dunno. I don't watch English football.

[General Woolfe]

Hamilton controls that better and its a goal. We are quite simply poor at the basics of the game. Passing, crossing, shooting, are just not up to par tonight

[Jack]

http://www.viralthread.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/273.jpg

[ag futbol]

Cooper has been fantastic. Hope he sticks around next year.

[Jack]

Cooper has been fantastic. Hope he sticks around next year.
Jozy's goal and Cooper's play have been two positives out of this game.

[Yohan]

I've seen enough of Cooper. Sign him up permanently

[CBTFC]

I want to see Cooper play behind Altidore and Gio. That would be a very creative attack.

[mistercorporate]

Yeah, Jay Chapman and Cooper in the midfield with Johnson and Bradley, quality.

[Jack]

Yeah, Jay Chapman and Cooper in the midfield with Johnson and Bradley, quality.
I could live with that. Osorio, late in the season, just hasn't done anything to impress me in these key matches.

[General Woolfe]

Stonewall penalty!

[Jack]

Fucking geiger again!

[ag futbol]

Yeah, Jay Chapman and Cooper in the midfield with Johnson and Bradley, quality.
We need better wide players. These guys are passing it off to mugs putting crosses in the 3rd row.

I don't think that was a penalty. If that was called against us I'd be pissed.

[Jack]

How in the sweet fuck can that blind cockhead not call a penalty there?

[Hamilton_Red]

Add Endoh to the list.

[AFCB+TFC]

Dunno. I don't watch English football.

Fair enough but I recommend you check it out!

The Premier League is the most entertaining league in the world and arguably the highest quality as well.

[Jack]

Endoh is useless.

[Hamilton_Red]

We are shite at home. We'd be better playing our sudden death game away.

[General Woolfe]

FFS Hamilton!! You should have buried that!!

[Detroit_TFC]

Well, we should be able to beat Chicago at home. Maybe. Good chance to make 2nd still (I'm only saying that to make myself feel better).

[ag futbol]

Why do we even bother with these crosses? They are absolutely awful.

[Jack]

Fair enough but I recommend you check it out!

The Premier League is the most entertaining league in the world and arguably the highest quality as well.
I have watched it, I just don't prefer it. I like the Spanish and German leagues. I know it's good football, I just don't always like the style. I'll watch it if it's on, but I don't seek it out (especially since I don't have cable anymore).

[General Woolfe]

Well, we should be able to beat Chicago at home. Maybe. Good chance to make 2nd still (I'm only saying that to make myself feel better).

We better hope this DC side shows up against Citey Lite.... then again i cant see us getting anything in Montreal

[AFCB+TFC]

Add Endoh to the list.

Agreed.

[Jack]

Agreed.
Fuck, he's frustrating. Whenever we're trying to score we pump balls out to Endoh so he can float easy crosses into the defence...

[Detroit_TFC]

We better hope this DC side shows up against Citey Lite.... then again i cant see us getting anything in Montreal

Yeah, not getting those points in MTL. I was hoping for a draw but that isn't happening.

[Hamilton_Red]

Fair enough but I recommend you check it out!

The Premier League is the most entertaining league in the world and arguably the highest quality as well.

It's the second tier of European soccer. A good spectacle with NFL razmataz though.

[__wowza]

let's pretend.
let's pretend.
let's pretend..
WE GOT A DRAW!!

:scarf::flare::drum::drum::flare::scarf:

[General Woolfe]

Terrible...

First we blew the SS, now weve blown a 1st round bye....

Unforgivable crap from this side once again :mad:

[ag futbol]

Despite some positive play this is turning into a disappointing home stand.

[AFCB+TFC]

I have watched it, I just don't prefer it. I like the Spanish and German leagues. I know it's good football, I just don't always like the style. I'll watch it if it's on, but I don't seek it out (especially since I don't have cable anymore).

Right on, yea the German and Spanish top flight leagues are entertaining and great quality also. I prefer the Premier League's style of play and overall competitiveness personally but to each his own!

[AFCB+TFC]

What has Seba got to be thinking watching us get 5 points from 4 games in his absence with all those games at home and 3 of those points against the fucking Chicago Dumpster Fire?!

No excuses, this was TFC's chance to show we're more than a one man team and we failed miserably.

[Alonso]

4 game home stand with zero wins.


We're not going far into the playoffs at this rate.

Need Gio back badly.

[DinamoTFC]

We're a one man show. We're nothing without Giovinco

[Yohan]

Always count on TFC to choke hard when it counts. Another first round playoff exit I'm guessing. TFC being bums again

[mistercorporate]

If we bring in Subasah on the wing making yet more stupid crosses, I'm going to personally come to BMO Field with a Samurai sword and make sushi out of him...

We've got some quality players and some lazy, unathletic, semi-motivated players. Why do they have social lives and family lives, if you're going to be a pro...be a pro...work your tail off and be focused till you're good. If you're not quality after a year of intense training, quit and flip burgers at Micky D's...this city needs only elite players...not some of these half-assed players who drag the quality of the rest of the team down. I don't envy Vanney's job!

[Redcoe15]

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

INSTEAD OF BEING IN TOP SPOT BY A WIDE MARGIN, OUR SIDE IS NOW IN THIRD PLACE BEHIND THE ASSWIPE NEW YORK TEAMS! THERE IS NO GODDAMN FUCKING EXCUSE FOR LOSING THE MATCH WHEN YOU'VE DOMINATED POSSESION! WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND THE WAY THIS TEAM IS PLAYING!


FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

FUCKIN' EMBARASSING!!!!! :mad5:

[Leedsoronto]

No pressure, plan B

Win last 3 games and finish top

Easy :@

[Redcoe15]

let's pretend.
let's pretend.
let's pretend..
WE GOT A DRAW!!

:scarf::flare::drum::drum::flare::scarf:


:smilielol5::mad5:

[notthesun]

What an embarrassment. D.C. is trash, they came here with little talent and no intentions of attacking and somehow we let them score twice. Still no ideas for us offensively, it's been painfully obvious for the last 4 games we just cannot create without Giovinco. This is a shameful result.

The season is not lost, but it's obvious we don't have a chance in hell of competing without Giovinco. Simple as that.

[OgtheDim]

In the stands, we were by FAR the better team. Geiger is just not a good enough ref.


Two offside goals for them and at least two stone cold penalties not called.
Cooper is damn good.

Altidore is a great forward.

Sucks. We play like that with Seba and nobody stops us.

[Redcoe15]

Well, we should be able to beat Chicago at home. Maybe. Good chance to make 2nd still (I'm only saying that to make myself feel better).

In theory, we should. But after that FUCKIN' EMBARASSING performance tonight, all bets are off!

[mistercorporate]

Moral of this story...stop calling yourself an elite team till you win the Cup, stop underestimating your opponents and work like you might get relegated and lose your job...work like you are men...not lazy ass girly men...my grandma has more drive than some of these young guys. Vanney needs to institutionalize spanking and caning to get these lazy bums whipped into shape. You move up or out!

[DeRo2015]

That was the most deflating game I have been to all year. We clearly looked like the better side in the first 45, only to give the 3 points to a side that looked weak. With the playoffs looming, it feels like it is time to seriously lower expectations yet again.
Cooper looked the part out there tonight.

[AFCB+TFC]

It's the second tier of European soccer. A good spectacle with NFL razmataz though.

It's no secret the best teams in the world are Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. When I say the Premier league is arguably the best league in the world I mean top to bottom, obviously the top 3 teams in La Liga and Bayern Munich would win the Premier League. However the Premier league has an equal if not higher standard for the teams below that. Look at Liverpool they came 7th or 8th last year in the EPL and knocked the 5th best team of La Liga (Villarreal) and the second best German team (Dortmund) out of the Europa League before losing to Sevilla in the final. I've seen enough AFC Bournemouth and La Liga games to know they'd survive comfortably in La Liga.

It's only logical the EPL has a higher average standard due to the new TV deal giving each team in the league at least 100 million every year they stay in the league. The distribution of income for TV revenue in La Liga and the Bundesliga is a joke- nearly all the money goes to the 3 aforementioned teams and their TV deal is worth fractions of what the EPL TV deal is.

[mistercorporate]

This team badly needs creative attacking players. Altidore is a pure striker (not a second striker or attacking midfielder), he should be running around up top not half way down the pitch trying to defend...leave that to the others.

[Hamilton_Red]

I do hope Gio and Johnson are back for the playoffs. We have 3 other key players going to play a couple of meaningless games in Africa this weekend. And our our two DP's What could possibly go wrong?

[AFCB+TFC]

Fuck, he's frustrating. Whenever we're trying to score we pump balls out to Endoh so he can float easy crosses into the defence...

I know! it's so predictable and I can't remember one time it actually worked. I used to think Endoh was a steal at #9 in the draft because he started out well for us but he's been useless for awhile now. Still young though so there's hope he'll improve alot.

[DeRo2015]

Vanney's post game comment: "this stretach can be a little humbling. This give us a chance to clean things up."
Yeah, and avoid those pesky points as well

[PAOK17]

Can someone explain the subs to me? So Haglund was coming on before the scored and I was thinking "well that's strange. Why put in a defender in a 1-1 game that you want to win?" Then they score so I am thinking haglund won't go in but he still does!

Then endoh? He doesn't have the technical skills! Can we stop excusing his play with his age? If you have a bad first touch and horrible passes at 18 you won't have it at 28

[Eastend]

No pressure, plan B

Win last 3 games and finish top

Easy :@

Only 2 games left.

[OgtheDim]

Lovitz was gassed.

Endoh passes like a rookie. His game has gotten worse as the season progresses.

A lot like Lovitz two seasons ago. He's a project not a game changer. To his credit, he did pass the ball to Cooper a lot. This is what happens when you play the kids.

[Leedsoronto]

Only 2 games left.

Ok we must move to plan C then

Win last two and hope to finish top 2 :@(

[DinamoTFC]

Is Cheyrou injured? It's unbelievable not to have him on the field. Pitiful attack and an even worse goal allowed. I feel bad that Cooper has to play with so many mugs.

Cheyrou needs to play as the DM with Cooper and Bradley to the sides.

Cheyrou was a wizard At DM creating chances out of nothing while Bradley was away.

[DinamoTFC]

Cooper should be CAM instead of Osorio. Argh.

Need a better effort in the 2nd.

This would be nice to give a try. He's so silky and smooth with thE ball and has a good shot.

[mistercorporate]

Cheyrou needs to play as the DM with Cooper and Bradley to the sides.

Cheyrou was a wizard At DM creating chances out of nothing while Bradley was away.

Exactly, he's a great DM, he's only so-so at the side of the diamond, better than Endoh or Lovitz though!

[stevep]

bono is better than irwin,
when is giovinco coming back?
what a difference gio in as opposed to mo or hamilton
have the 3 dps started a game together yet this season?
dc united stinks, embarrassing losing to them. for shame

[SoccMan2]

I wish it was as easy as getting Gio back and everything will be ok but it's not sadly. Moreover, sad attendance tonight maybe 18000 if lucky, pretty sad for a team battling the top spot in the east, I'm starting to think that a home playoff game does not get anything over 20 000 and if there happens to be a Jays playoff game going on at the same time then an even smaller crowd, there is simply no hype for this team at all, the good crowds they got earlier in the season have disappeared these last few games, you would think they would be able to sustain the good attendances now that it was crunch time but actually the crowds have gone down very strange, therefore I can't see that a home playoff game brings back the fans.

[stevep]

I wish it was as easy as getting Gio back and everything will be ok but it's not sadly.

in my opinion is it is as simple as that
problem is if you come in 3rd or further down any shit can happen in one game
you could possibly lose to a totally crappy dc united team or some other crappy team

[DinamoTFC]

Exactly, he's a great DM, he's only so-so at the side of the diamond, better than Endoh or Lovitz though!

If everyone is healthy I would love to try this.
----cooper----
Bradley---------Johnson
-------cheyrou--------

[Richard]

The most appropriate song when Endoh tries crossing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

Can we get a reporter to ask about Endoh's cross completion rate and why Vanney thinks its a solid tactic, clearly he isn't being stopped.

[mistercorporate]

If everyone is healthy I would love to try this.
----cooper----
Bradley---------Johnson
-------cheyrou--------

Either that or

------Chapman
Cooper---Johnson
------Bradley

[Joe Kool]

I wish it was as easy as getting Gio back and everything will be ok but it's not sadly. Moreover, sad attendance tonight maybe 18000 if lucky, pretty sad for a team battling the top spot in the east, I'm starting to think that a home playoff game does not get anything over 20 000 and if there happens to be a Jays playoff game going on at the same time then an even smaller crowd, there is simply no hype for this team at all, the good crowds they got earlier in the season have disappeared these last few games, you would think they would be able to sustain the good attendances now that it was crunch time but actually the crowds have gone down very strange, therefore I can't see that a home playoff game brings back the fans.

Attendance for playoffs will be questionable. They charged less last year and weren't selling well because I don't think some fans like the cold. Now they are predicting a later game and doubled the price from last year's playoff ticket. They will not sell out like that I don't think. On top of that playoff tickets go on sale at the same time as renewals so some people have to choose what they can afford. Next season or playoffs. Not everyone can afford both. Tonight's attendance was crappy I think because of the forecast being what it was even though the rain never came. Lots of people still get wet with the new canopy so rain is still an excuse for some.

[PAOK17]

Can we get a reporter to ask about Endoh's cross completion rate and why Vanney thinks its a solid tactic, clearly he isn't being stopped.
I cannot comprehend Endoh getting so much playing time. He will not get better - you can't teach first touches, and how to pass, shoot and cross. Not at 23, anyway.

On another note, Giovinco was at the Eros Ramazzotti concert. Even joined on stage. I'm guessing that means him being left out of the lineup couldn't have been a game time decision. Perhaps his injury is worse than we are being led to believe? Or maybe because of the forecast the team just opted from the start to not risk him. I am hoping the latter.

[OgtheDim]

We seemed to have found our voice of offensive chance creation experience

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/782401872120406016

THIS!


************


Cooper was very good last night. He interchanged with Bloom well in the first half and into the second. He chased down players. He drew fouls (drew a yellow truth be known). He got took on and got past players. He worked with Bradley as a DM tandem. Most importantly, he created chances, something Osorio doesn't do enough. Can he score? Don't know. But he's the most dynamic midfielder we have and the 3rd most experienced player on the team behind Cheyrou and Bradley. Like them, he understands game states and when to apply pressure.

As an AM at the tip of the diamond? Yes please.

[C.Ronaldo]

Thought some players were gonna lose it on him

[SoccMan2]

Watching Cooper play I now realize why Panama has been doing so much better than Canada in terms of Panama's success in recent times in getting to the final 6 of World Cup qualifying in the CONCACAF region and they have qualified again to the final 6 in qualifying for the next World Cup in Russia, and lately I have noticed that he does not always start for Panama which goes to show how much more talented players Panama must have compared to Canada, at times last night Cooper looked like he was playing with teamates that were on such a lower level than him talent wise and soccer savy and smarts wise.

[stevep]

Vanney in the press conference spoke about a back kick clearance that led to the goal. who did the back kick that led to the goal?

that first goal was ridiculous, that shouldn't have happened, there's no way we should have lost this game

notice no aftergame interviews by the players, just the customary bradley interview, they must be so pissed

this is why the first round bye is so important, shit can happen you can lose to a clearly inferior opponent in a one game playoff

[Soccerpro]

Vanney in the press conference spoke about a back kick clearance that led to the goal. who did the back kick that led to the goal?

that first goal was ridiculous, that shouldn't have happened, there's no way we should have lost this game

notice no aftergame interviews by the players, just the customary bradley interview, they must be so pissed

this is why the first round bye is so important, shit can happen you can lose to a clearly inferior opponent in a one game playoff

The back heel was Mo Babouli. He was attempting them all game long. I have no idea why.

[stevep]

The back heel was Mo Babouli. He was attempting them all game long. I have no idea why.

you take that one play away and the whole game is different, they don't score, they don't go into the defensive box formation
was so pissed at that goal, total mental lapse

[Oldtimer]

I was right that DC would win, though the score wasn't as dire as I predicted.

The team seems to be in a funk. Hopefully Giovinco can change things, but the team has given up it's games in hand and it now needs to win both remaining games and a NY team to lose points to finish top 2.

My feeling is that won't happen, but at least we will get one home playoff game.

It's not enough to raise the profile of the team in the media or in the general public.

The team is a decent enough MLS side, but without Giovinco it's mid-table, not elite.

[reggie]

100 out of 100 should of won that game.zavaletta has been a train wreck the last 6 weeks or so.lovitz is usl caliber.i think edwards is a better player and would bring more to the table.

[Red CB Toronto]

Thank god the Blue Jays won or last night would have been a complete disaster.

[CBTFC]

It's no secret the best teams in the world are Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. When I say the Premier league is arguably the best league in the world I mean top to bottom, obviously the top 3 teams in La Liga and Bayern Munich would win the Premier League. However the Premier league has an equal if not higher standard for the teams below that. Look at Liverpool they came 7th or 8th last year in the EPL and knocked the 5th best team of La Liga (Villarreal) and the second best German team (Dortmund) out of the Europa League before losing to Sevilla in the final. I've seen enough AFC Bournemouth and La Liga games to know they'd survive comfortably in La Liga.

It's only logical the EPL has a higher average standard due to the new TV deal giving each team in the league at least 100 million every year they stay in the league. The distribution of income for TV revenue in La Liga and the Bundesliga is a joke- nearly all the money goes to the 3 aforementioned teams and their TV deal is worth fractions of what the EPL TV deal is.

The strength and quality of any league is not about it's best teams, but it's "worst"

The bottom 10 of the PL will destroy the bottom 10 of any other league.

That's why the PL is the best overall league...sorry, but watching Real Madrid destroy Celta Vigo 6-0 isn't appealing to me.

[paul-collins]

In the stands, we were by FAR the better team. Geiger is just not a good enough ref.


Two offside goals for them and at least two stone cold penalties not called.
Cooper is damn good.

Altidore is a great forward.

Sucks. We play like that with Seba and nobody stops us.
I agree. Was not a fan of Bloom or Lovitz, thought Zava was ok and Moor wasn't his best. Oso was getting himself into great positions a lot but then scuffing the finish (Ricketts-like but with panache in the middle of the pitch).

Cooper looks to be the real deal.

Why no Cheyrou?

[Hamilton_Red]

Ok yes it is a big money league. But realize it is also a giant money laundering operation for oil oligarchs, arabian monarchy, and far east dodgy billionaires backed by Rupert Murdochs sattelite tv monopoly. The EPL has been a disaster for the development of English players, its destroyed the Scottish league, and until Leciester changed the script it had become boring. Just like the Champions League that has suffered from greater and greater concentration of money. Honestly surprised that some countries havent broken away. I much prefer MLS to EPL even with all its flaws.



The strength and quality of any league is not about it's best teams, but it's "worst"

The bottom 10 of the PL will destroy the bottom 10 of any other league.

That's why the PL is the best overall league...sorry, but watching Real Madrid destroy Celta Vigo 6-0 isn't appealing to me.

[red-o]

I don't believe it, but dreamt up a mlse conspiracy theory that we are doing what it takes to ensure we have 2 home games.

[Jack]

The strength and quality of any league is not about it's best teams, but it's "worst"

The bottom 10 of the PL will destroy the bottom 10 of any other league.

That's why the PL is the best overall league...sorry, but watching Real Madrid destroy Celta Vigo 6-0 isn't appealing to me.
The perception that the bottom teams are pushovers in the Spanish league isn't exactly true. Playing in their stadiums, with a few exceptions, is usually a tough outing for the top teams. Celta today is really taking the game to Barcelona. There are a few teams that don't stand a chance when Barcelona or Madrid are in top form, but the league is a lot more balanced lately than it used to be. Eibar drew Madrid today, for example, in another pretty tough match. They played well.

The points gap between top and bottom in the two leagues is also very similar (and actually larger in the EPL right now).

[General Woolfe]

Cheyrou needs to play as the DM with Cooper and Bradley to the sides.

Cheyrou was a wizard At DM creating chances out of nothing while Bradley was away.

Bradley wont allow that to happen though. He tells Vanney where he wants to play, and he wants to play defensive mid. For what its worth I agree with you. I might even play Bradley in the AM role although I think hes best in the centre pulling the strings

[Eastend]

I don't believe it, but dreamt up a mlse conspiracy theory that we are doing what it takes to ensure we have 2 home games.

So plausible.

[koolvid12]

The strength and quality of any league is not about it's best teams, but it's "worst"

The bottom 10 of the PL will destroy the bottom 10 of any other league.

That's why the PL is the best overall league...sorry, but watching Real Madrid destroy Celta Vigo 6-0 isn't appealing to me.



Where do people get this BS from? What are you watching from West Ham, Sunderland, and Stoke city that prove they will destroy Valencia, Osasuna, and Granada? Just because the PL is the most accessible league to you doesn't mean it's the best quality league. Just because the Top 3 in La Liga are much better than the Top 3 in other leagues doesn't mean the rest of the league is shit. It just means the PL has mediocre top teams. La Liga has won every european competition in the last 3 years, be it Europa or Champions league. If I want to watch garbage football I turn in to bottom 10 PL football.

"Real Madrid destroy Celta Vigo " Then maybe turn in to watching Celta giving it to Barcelona 3-0? Stop pretending like you actually follow spanish football outside of Real Madrd or Barca. It's common knowledge the Prem is the most exciting league for foreigners since they tend not speak a lick of german or spanish and enlish media being much more accessible for most of the world but that doesn't make the league the highest in quality (just overpaid english players that would never be paid the wages they get in other leagues). And the prem continues to prove otherwise.

[Kamp Berg]

If everyone is healthy I would love to try this.
----cooper----
Bradley---------Johnson
-------cheyrou--------

This looks good to me too but I can't see Vanney having the gumption to move the 5 million dollar man against his will. I'm pretty sure Bradley sees himself as a deep play making DM.

[Auzzy]

Thought some players were gonna lose it on him

Not sure what you mean, lose it on whom? Who were they upset with?

[notthesun]

The issue is Cheyrou is a better deep-lying playmaker than Bradley, but Bradley is significantly better defensively. And if we're playing the diamond, we can't have it both ways. If Cheyrou was playing the #6 against Orlando, Kaka would've killed us.

With Giovinco healthy, Bradley at the #6 and Cheyrou on the bench is fine because Giovinco can create so much, both on the ball and by allowing space for others. But without Giovinco, Cheyrou's playmaking would be more helpful offensively, but then we'd be exposed on the counter.

All that being said, I'm starting to come around on the 3-5-2, at least for when Giovinco can't play (so I don't know how much we'll actually see it for the rest of the year). That gets Cheyrou in a deep playmaking position while Bradley can also play deep, with a little more license to roam, and more cover defensively for Cheyrou. I think it's clear by now though that Lovitz just can't keep up at this level, so you'd have to play Morrow LWB (Morgan would work too but he's injured I believe) and have Moor, Zavaleta and Hagglund as CBs. It only works if the back line is fully healthy.

But again, we've been good with Giovinco up top and Bradley at the #6 in the diamond, so that's still my first choice if everyone is available.

[OgtheDim]

Cheyrou is too damn slow to play DM on his own anymore. He can't cover against the counter (which both Montreal and Chicago play). The only sort of team where Cheyrou makes sense as a lone DM against is a ball possession team like ours - NYCFC or CBus or NER.

[ag futbol]

You can definitely see the value of Cooper in that game playing with Bradley. It's good synergy.

Hate to say it but WJ was not the right choice to balance our midfield (despite being a great player to have).

[C.Ronaldo]

On endoh. You could see the frustration boil through.

Was Mo that bad? I thought he looked like a decent player that clearly needs more mls games under his belt.

Lovitz and endoh are way worse and get more time.

Cant wait to see Edwards up here next year.

[Kamp Berg]

Bradley is definitely a superior DM to Cheyrou but the rest of the team is not good enough for the midfield diamond approach without Giovinco in the lineup. There is a reason most of the league fields a 4-2-3-1 most of the time, it helps to make up for unbalanced rosters. I really think Vanney should be teaming up Cheyrou and Bradley (or whoever we have available) when key players like Giovinco or Altidore are injured or missing. Then maybe we could eke some better results with more defined rolls for the mediocre players.

--------------------Altidore/Hamilton----------------------
-Osorio/Lovitz-Cooper/Chapman-Babouli/Endoh-
-----Cheyrou/Johnson------Bradley/Delgado-------
-Morrow/Morgan-Moor-Zav/Haggs-Beita/Bloom-

[Leedsoronto]

Hamilton, he won't admit this himself, but he is a great sub player. I have only seen him play good a few times when he has started, that's over the past 4-5 years, CSL, L1O and USL but as a sub he has always looked outstanding. Odd I know, but it is what it is.

[khso11]

We seemed to have found our voice of offensive chance creation experience

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/782401872120406016



https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7qDSOvfaCO9b3MlO/giphy.gif


How did Vanney and other "leaders" like MB not see this? Let alone, how does it take Cooper 8 games to actually get a start amazes me? Sign him already, versatile, amazing dribbler, great vision, midfield maestro, engine, not scare to shoot, this guy is the real deal.

[SirBobSaget]

Bradley is a better DM than Cheyrou but TFC are using he Dm as a Deep Lying Playmaker. Which is bad for Bradley because his passing is really bad where Cheyrou thrives at picking out runs from deep. The club was on a winning streak with Cheyrou running the show surrounded by kids. Throw Bradley back in there and results suffer ... I think Klinsmann is onto something moving Bradley up the pitch to AM.

[backbeat]

Bradley is a better DM than Cheyrou but TFC are using he Dm as a Deep Lying Playmaker. Which is bad for Bradley because his passing is really bad where Cheyrou thrives at picking out runs from deep. The club was on a winning streak with Cheyrou running the show surrounded by kids. Throw Bradley back in there and results suffer ... I think Klinsmann is onto something moving Bradley up the pitch to AM.

i'd like to try Cooper, with his creativity, as the AM with Bradley as a DM and Oso and Johnson in mid with Jozy and Seba up top and use Cheyrou, Ricketts, Delgato and Chapman etc. off the bench

[ag futbol]

Was Mo that bad? I thought he looked like a decent player that clearly needs more mls games under his belt.

Feels like we coached the creativity right out of the guy. That was a game crying out for an individual effort or two around the 18 yard box.

He played within the system the whole game, perhaps to a fault.

[OgtheDim]

Feels like we coached the creativity right out of the guy. ...

We are talking about the guy who was trying back heels all game to the point where, as Vanney mentioned, one created a chance that lead to a goal, right?

[Blizzard]

We are talking about the guy who was trying back heels all game to the point where, as Vanney mentioned, one created a chance that lead to a goal, right?

You mean the Cooper who was the MOTM and who set up Jozy for his terrific goal, right?

[JoesphNdo]

The strength and quality of any league is not about it's best teams, but it's "worst"

The bottom 10 of the PL will destroy the bottom 10 of any other league.

That's why the PL is the best overall league...sorry, but watching Real Madrid destroy Celta Vigo 6-0 isn't appealing to me.

What are you basing this on? Because results in Europe rather heavily imply the complete opposite

[OgtheDim]

You mean the Cooper who was the MOTM and who set up Jozy for his terrific goal, right?

That was Baboulli who did the one that led to the DCU goal. My point was he's hardly had the creativity pulled out of him if he's trying that stuff all game. Baboulli had a decent game I thought - but he overcooks the creative stuff sometimes.

[Stress]

Hamilton, he won't admit this himself, but he is a great sub player. I have only seen him play good a few times when he has started, that's over the past 4-5 years, CSL, L1O and USL but as a sub he has always looked outstanding. Odd I know, but it is what it is.

Yeah it is funny. I'd say the same with Babouli. I wanted to see Babouli get the start based on his last sub appearance but I thought he looked too slow and out of place as a starter. At this point, I'd prefer to start Hamilton but I do agree, both look better as subs.

[Scotty74]

This game drove me nuts! Completely controlled the game in the 1st half(without creating much) takes the lead on a great goal from Jozy with only a few mins to half time and somehow go in a 1-1.
Lost a dumb second goal and then were way too negative the rest of the game. We're 2-1 down at HOME, go and attack the other team ffs! Way too much passing the ball sideways with 10 mins left instead of going for it.
Ref was shocking, I haven't seen the highlights but looked like we were denied 1 if not 2 penalties
Why did Vanney still bring on Hagglund at 2-1 down? Babouli was poor and why is Endoh seeing playing time, he's gotten worse as the season has gone on.
Was impressed with Cooper, I hope he sticks around!

P.S Dear Gio, please come back soon, we miss you SOOOO much

[C.Ronaldo]

Yeah it is funny. I'd say the same with Babouli. I wanted to see Babouli get the start based on his last sub appearance but I thought he looked too slow and out of place as a starter. At this point, I'd prefer to start Hamilton but I do agree, both look better as subs.

these guys havent had enough starts and consistency, we wasted so much time on giving endoh minutes, it should have been going elsewhere

[T-boy]

I agree. Was not a fan of Bloom or Lovitz, thought Zava was ok and Moor wasn't his best. Oso was getting himself into great positions a lot but then scuffing the finish (Ricketts-like but with panache in the middle of the pitch).

Cooper looks to be the real deal.

Why no Cheyrou?

Oso almost apologises to the ball as he strikes at goal these days - I think he may be trying to hard, sometimes you just gotta sidefoot it. It looks like the harder he tries to kick the softer the actual strike!

[C.Ronaldo]

Oso almost apologises to the ball as he strikes at goal these days - I think he may be trying to hard, sometimes you just gotta sidefoot it. It looks like the harder he tries to kick the softer the actual strike!

screw that, Toe punt the damn thing!

[molenshtain]

these guys havent had enough starts and consistency, we wasted so much time on giving endoh minutes, it should have been going elsewhere

But Hamilton and Babouli don't play the same position as Endoh. It's not a one or the either deal.

Besides, Endo's shown flashes as a rookie. He's not going to grow if you don't give him minutes.

[C.Ronaldo]

But Hamilton and Babouli don't play the same position as Endoh. It's not a one or the either deal.

Besides, Endo's shown flashes as a rookie. He's not going to grow if you don't give him minutes.

Mo can play wing or 3rd fwd, Hamilton isnt as dynamic but did some good work in the corners last game that tells me there more in him that can be drawn out.


Endoh hasnt shown anything in a long long time

[OgtheDim]

these guys havent had enough starts and consistency, we wasted so much time on giving endoh minutes, it should have been going elsewhere

Endoh always plays wide midfield where neither Hamilton nor Baboulli play.

Edit: Endoh is not a 3rd forward and Baboulli has been tried at the wide forward earlier and wasn't all that good.

Regardless, you either play kids or you watch them atrophy. Endoh is a project - a lot like Lovitz 2 seasons ago. Lets see if he steps up next season like Lovitz has this season.

[Blizzard]

That was Baboulli who did the one that led to the DCU goal. My point was he's hardly had the creativity pulled out of him if he's trying that stuff all game. Baboulli had a decent game I thought - but he overcooks the creative stuff sometimes.

Ah, ok.

I agree on Baboulli. He may never be a finisher but he looks confident on the ball. I prefer to JHams overall but JHams does score occasionally. Hopefully Moe may do so in the future. I'd love to see him stick.

[molenshtain]

Mo can play wing or 3rd fwd, Hamilton isnt as dynamic but did some good work in the corners last game that tells me there more in him that can be drawn out.


Endoh hasnt shown anything in a long long time

Right, But as Og said, Endoh has played as a shuttler or under the strikers all season. Neither Hamilton or Babouli can play there. They aren't on the same depth charts. They all have talent and I want them all to get minutes, it's just not a one or the other scenario. Endoh is fighting for minutes with Chapman/Delgado/Oso/Johnson/Cooper/Lovitz not Hamilton, Babouli, Ricketts etc.

You'll notice that Endoh is way down the depth chart now when everyone's healthy. He's behind all those guys I mentioned with the exception of Lovitz, probably. He's had to play a lot due to injuries and a lack of depth earlier in the season. He hasn't played that much over the second half of the season.

[Initial B]

How did Vanney and other "leaders" like MB not see this? Let alone, how does it take Cooper 8 games to actually get a start amazes me? Sign him already, versatile, amazing dribbler, great vision, midfield maestro, engine, not scare to shoot, this guy is the real deal.
I wonder if it could be that they have tried, but his home club wants him back at the end of the season.

[Blizzard]

I wonder if it could be that they have tried, but his home club wants him back at the end of the season.

I believe that part of the delay in getting him here in the first place was that his team was unwilling to commit to the MLS requirement that any loan deal contain a purchase clause but eventually it happened, he's here which means TFC can purchase him from his Panamanian club.

As to why it took so long to get him in the line-up, your guess is as good as mine. He's fabulous!

[Dreadlocks]

So I haven't posted in a while but I can't hold back anymore. Is anybody else concerned with the missed calls and the fact that it's going to get worse in the playoffs? The second DC goal was CLEARLY offside and the assistant was in perfect position to see it, but didn't make the call.

Anyone else scared like me?

[Onyx]

So I haven't posted in a while but I can't hold back anymore. Is anybody else concerned with the missed calls and the fact that it's going to get worse in the playoffs? The second DC goal was CLEARLY offside and the assistant was in perfect position to see it, but didn't make the call.

Anyone else scared like me?

its MLS, the PRO is shit

we would be better off importing CONCACAF officials that they have for CMNT and CCL games

[ag futbol]

The linesmen in this league are literally part timers. I don't care if they come from PRO or the moon, you get what you pay for.

[ensco]

I am reserving judgment on Cooper. You could find pages of posts in the archives here on Rohan Ricketts (a guy Cooper reminds me of, a lot), declaring him the second coming, after two games.

[hulkrogan]

I remember thinking Alvaro Rey was going to be our savior. Still like what I've seen from Cooper, but need to give it more time to see how he pans out.

[Blizzard]

So I haven't posted in a while but I can't hold back anymore. Is anybody else concerned with the missed calls and the fact that it's going to get worse in the playoffs? The second DC goal was CLEARLY offside and the assistant was in perfect position to see it, but didn't make the call.

Anyone else scared like me?

I'm scared that Montreal is only five points behind us with two games left!

Now, regarding the Neagle goal, I'd agree with you on the offside if I could but it's damned close. Here is the still of the pass. This is the last touch as it leaves the foot. It's really, really close and I really wouldn't expect an Asst to call this as offside. It's certainly not "obvious" as such. There is a slight suspicion but I don't think this could be called definitive.

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab167/greenfield267/Sequence%2001.jpg (http://s860.photobucket.com/user/greenfield267/media/Sequence%2001.jpg.html)

[khso11]

I am reserving judgment on Cooper. You could find pages of posts in the archives here on Rohan Ricketts (a guy Cooper reminds me of, a lot), declaring him the second coming, after two games.

The difference is Cooper's technical abilities and play making judgement is different from Ricketts. A better comparison of Cooper would be Guevara....which actually is one of TFC’s best midfielders in my opinion.

[khso11]

I remember thinking Alvaro Rey was going to be our savior. Still like what I've seen from Cooper, but need to give it more time to see how he pans out.

I still believe Rey would be a good player under our current system, he's just not the type of player that can play under Nelsen's ideology.

[ag futbol]

They just destroyed that guy's confidence bringing him in and out of the lineup before nailing him to the bench in perpetuity.

He clearly had some skill. Needed to be coached into the system rather than chastised at every turn.

[ag futbol]

I'm scared that Montreal is only five points behind us with two games left!

Now, regarding the Neagle goal, I'd agree with you on the offside if I could but it's damned close. Here is the still of the pass. This is the last touch as it leaves the foot. It's really, really close and I really wouldn't expect an Asst to call this as offside. It's certainly not "obvious" as such. There is a slight suspicion but I don't think this could be called definitive.

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab167/greenfield267/Sequence%2001.jpg (http://s860.photobucket.com/user/greenfield267/media/Sequence%2001.jpg.html)
From the TV angle that was in-line with the back four it looked onside. Both goals did IMO. Not sure where all this chatter came from.

[Yohan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMqaz1k397s

Lots of stuff from this game starting 3:45 mark. You make the calls

[DinamoTFC]

I'm scared that Montreal is only five points behind us with two games left!

Now, regarding the Neagle goal, I'd agree with you on the offside if I could but it's damned close. Here is the still of the pass. This is the last touch as it leaves the foot. It's really, really close and I really wouldn't expect an Asst to call this as offside. It's certainly not "obvious" as such. There is a slight suspicion but I don't think this could be called definitive.

http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab167/greenfield267/Sequence%2001.jpg (http://s860.photobucket.com/user/greenfield267/media/Sequence%2001.jpg.html)

If it's that close in which u can't definitively say on a replay or still image than its not offside. We're talking about hairs or a limb. Id personally rather give those situations to the benefit of the attacker rather than the defender.

[OgtheDim]

From 221, Neagle spent 5 seconds dancing long that line - we all saw it. His movement drew your eye.

He was offside.

[ensco]

Does anyone remember that Altidore won that game in Orlando a few weeks ago with a goal that was 100x more "obviously offside" than this one?

[Fort York Redcoat]

Does anyone remember that Altidore won that game in Orlando a few weeks ago with a goal that was 100x more "obviously offside" than this one?

I think it should be noted and talked about every time it happens.

[Dreadlocks]

It was indeed very close, almost too close to expect the assistant to see it. From my view in 110 I saw him dancing the line too and it looked pretty obvious that he was off at the time. Equal/inline with the defender is defined as off-side, I believe.

Anyway, the larger point I'm trying to make is about the officiating in the playoffs. I don't fully believe in all of the conspiracy theories on how the major leagues don't want to see a Canadian team win a championship. However, some do believe that the straw that broke the back of the old NASL was when a non-American, ethnically named team won the cup - Toronto Metro-Croatia. This was not the sole or even a major reason why the league folded but some do believe that it was definitely a factor.

With all off the wink, wink, nudge, nudge stuff that goes on in this completely non-transparent league, I could see some not wanting Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal to win the MLS cup (not for a few more years at least) and doing whatever they thought they needed to do to prevent it.

I'm concerned.

[OgtheDim]

ESPN is covering Toronto vs Montreal in a couple of weeks when they could have covered any other game in the East including NYCFC @ DCU.

If they really hated Canadian teams in the playoffs, they wouldn't cover that game at all.

We bring spectacle - they like Montreal and Toronto and Portland for a reason.

[Auzzy]

It was indeed very close, almost too close to expect the assistant to see it. From my view in 110 I saw him dancing the line too and it looked pretty obvious that he was off at the time. Equal/inline with the defender is defined as off-side, I believe.


FIFA changed that rule many years ago. Even is on-side.

Not saying that necessarily applies here. However there's a better viewing angle available within the highlight of this goal on mlssoccer.com . It's not perfectly in-line either, so you have to imagine the straight lines across the field. But a much better angle than the one above.

I paused & looked at that one many times. It depends on when exactly you consider the ball to have left the foot on the pass. Definitely close enough that it's not worth getting upset either way. No need to bash MLS officials on this one, there are much worse calls to get worked up about. And obviously the defence has to play in a way that doesn't depend on millimetre-exact calls from the officials.

[Blizzard]

It was indeed very close, almost too close to expect the assistant to see it. From my view in 110 I saw him dancing the line too and it looked pretty obvious that he was off at the time. Equal/inline with the defender is defined as off-side, I believe.


No, even is on-side.

[Blizzard]

From 221, Neagle spent 5 seconds dancing long that line - we all saw it. His movement drew your eye.

He was offside.

There's nothing illegal about that. When the ball was passed forward, he was even with the defender. NOT offside.

[Leedsoronto]

No, even is on-side.

This, and it is usually usual to give the atacking player the advantage

[C.Ronaldo]

man, look how high up that D is in relation to where the ball is.

what was going on in their heads?

[Blizzard]

man, look how high up that D is in relation to where the ball is.

what was going on in their heads?

Ya, they fell asleep.

[OgtheDim]

man, look how high up that D is in relation to where the ball is.

what was going on in their heads?

Vanney noted that after the game - he was not pleased.

[Canary10]

^Looks like they were playing the trap. Got burned on that one.

[MightyDM]

There's nothing illegal about that. When the ball was passed forward, he was even with the defender. NOT offside.

Unless he came back from an offside position while "dancing" along the line.