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OgtheDim
09-10-2016, 10:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-ROB8kI_fw


&


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TXTXecD3_o


Have at it People

Auzzy
09-10-2016, 10:20 PM
Many have said it before -- what a goal, and what an amazing play call.

DinamoTFC
09-11-2016, 02:52 PM
Thursday night NYRB play a Concacaf game at home. Hopefully tires them out a bit before our game.

General Woolfe
09-11-2016, 03:36 PM
Any chance Seba might make it back for this game?

notthesun
09-11-2016, 04:14 PM
Any chance Seba might make it back for this game?

The latest:

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/774623393329012738

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/774623544579805184

OgtheDim
09-11-2016, 05:26 PM
I think Seba takes one look at that Golden Boot race and insists he plays.

Oldtimer
09-11-2016, 05:44 PM
If he's looking good he'll be on the bench to start. Maybe get a few minutes. Any doubt and they will keep him out. Still 5 games after this one.

Ivy
09-11-2016, 05:51 PM
I agree with Seba off the bench if he plays.
Maybe send him to Roma on Wedneday, and let him fly back in a couple hours before the game.

anto7
09-11-2016, 06:40 PM
If he's looking good he'll be on the bench to start. Maybe get a few minutes. Any doubt and they will keep him out. Still 5 games after this one.

You guys are crazy, why on earth would you consider bringing Seba off the bench against the Red Bulls?. It's not like he is going to do something amazing like run through half of their team and score the winning goal......wtf

Cuppy
09-11-2016, 07:13 PM
I agree with Seba off the bench if he plays.
Maybe send him to Roma on Wedneday, and let him fly back in a couple hours before the game. ⚽️✈️��⚽️����

Detroit_TFC
09-11-2016, 07:16 PM
That was probably the individual performance highlight of the entire season for me.

Oldtimer
09-12-2016, 05:55 AM
Good news is that NYRB tend to leak goals near the end of games (we know from past seasons what that feels like):

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/09/11/another-late-collapse-costs-red-bulls-first-place-its-embarrassing-now?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=News&utm_campaign=Unpaid

Bobo
09-12-2016, 09:03 AM
Many have said it before -- what a goal, and what an amazing play call.

But ... I thought Nigel was the most boring commentator in the world?



Any chance Seba might make it back for this game?

Of course it's tempting to bring back Seba for what appears to be a big match in the SS race (especially after THAT goal), but I would not risk the war for one battle.

ronzilla
09-12-2016, 10:17 AM
There's no sense to rush him back in for 1 game, as he could aggravate the injury and be out much longer. Let him fully recover.

I wasn't impressed with the performance vs Chicago and the goalie blunder was a gift of 3 points.

RB's are obviously a much better team and TFC need to step up their game.

This is the real test without Seba.

OgtheDim
09-12-2016, 12:12 PM
Well here's the chance for somebody to go and ask him

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/775379728374992897

Joe Kool
09-12-2016, 01:24 PM
Well here's the chance for somebody to go and ask him

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/775379728374992897

Well that is going to be a friggin zoo....my son would love it but not sure if I want to deal with that.

reggie
09-12-2016, 01:31 PM
seems to be a lot of tickets available for this one,that is kinda surprising since its the biggest game of the season.

molenshtain
09-12-2016, 01:35 PM
seems to be a lot of tickets available for this one,that is kinda surprising since its the biggest game of the season.

Hardly the biggest game of the season. No one is desperately trying to get tickets to watch Bradley Wright-Philips and Sascha Kleijstan. As good as they may be currently, they aren't ticket draws.

sn0re
09-12-2016, 01:38 PM
Well here's the chance for somebody to go and ask him

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/775379728374992897

Anyone doing a RPB meet at Sherway Gardens?.. I would be up for one

reggie
09-12-2016, 01:39 PM
Hardly the biggest game of the season. No one is desperately trying to get tickets to watch Bradley Wright-Philips and Sascha Kleijstan. As good as they may be currently, they aren't ticket draws.
your not serious are you??its a 6 pointer and for 1st place.frankly i dont care who is on the other team.its all about TFC for me.

PopePouri
09-12-2016, 01:46 PM
seems to be a lot of tickets available for this one,that is kinda surprising since its the biggest game of the season.

Maybe we're getting more walkups. The NE game had plenty of tickets available the day before and they hit 27 000.

Stress
09-12-2016, 02:02 PM
It's a Sunday, school's back on, and no marquee names for the opposition so i'm not surprised it's not sold out.

molenshtain
09-12-2016, 02:15 PM
your not serious are you??its a 6 pointer and for 1st place.frankly i dont care who is on the other team.its all about TFC for me.

Well sure we know that. Gen pop doesn't really though. Not a lot of casual fans stay up to date with MLS standings. They're there for the players.

OgtheDim
09-12-2016, 02:21 PM
Hardly the biggest game of the season. No one is desperately trying to get tickets to watch Bradley Wright-Philips and Sascha Kleijstan. As good as they may be currently, they aren't ticket draws.

Maybe not draw wise but it is the biggest game of the season. 1st vs. 2nd Its the equivalent of that Jays weekend series vs. Boston.

Yeah, I know, the discerning punter will be the only one who knows but if MLSE were smart, they'd be pushing that info out there. They never seem to sell the league. And then TSN wonders why nobody cares about the league in Toronto outside of a minority of TFC fans.

reggie
09-12-2016, 02:33 PM
maybe its still early in the week.but the club should really try to hype this a bit more then they usually do.arguably one of the biggest games in our history so far.

Detroit_TFC
09-12-2016, 02:59 PM
The stakes for this game and the one vs Philly are massive not in a live or die sense but the rewards for winning are massive. RBNY has a terrible road record but everyone is fixed on the final stretch so can't assume anything.

OgtheDim
09-12-2016, 03:31 PM
So apparently NYRB have a shot clock at their training pitch and expect shots within x number of seconds once they get the ball. Makes for a dynamic attack. Its also one reason why they fail to hold onto leads.

This will not be an easy game.

Ivy
09-12-2016, 06:13 PM
TFC can clinch playoffs this week if:
TFC win, DC lose, and NE lose or tie.

Also, if that happens AND
Dallas lose, SJ win or tie, and Vancouver lose

then TFC will be the first team to clinch playoffs in 2016.

PAOK17
09-12-2016, 06:30 PM
TFC can clinch playoffs this week if:
TFC win, DC lose, and NE lose or tie.

Also, if that happens AND
Dallas lose, SJ win or tie, and Vancouver lose

then TFC will be the first team to clinch playoffs in 2016.
Looking at the standings I was thinking it's deja vu: TFC with an opportunity to clinch a playoff spot at home against NYRB with us being unsure if Giovinco will play or not.

I guess the only difference is that results in other matches depend on us clinching this week.

flatpicker
09-12-2016, 06:33 PM
TFC can clinch playoffs this week if:
TFC win, DC lose, and NE lose or tie.

Also, if that happens AND
Dallas lose, SJ win or tie, and Vancouver lose

then TFC will be the first team to clinch playoffs in 2016.

I couldn't help but picture Morpheus as I was reading this.
Stop messin' with my mind!

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/009/889/Morpheus2.jpg

michaeltfc91
09-12-2016, 08:36 PM
New England maximum points is 48 given their 33 points with 5 games left (29 games played). Chicago and Columbus maximum points is 47. If DC United lose their maximum points is 48 as well.

Therefore TFC on 46 points just needs a DC United loss on Friday night and a TFC win on Sunday to clinch a playoff spot. De ja vu indeed, clinching the playoffs on Sunday can certainly happen

Hamilton_Red
09-12-2016, 10:09 PM
What's the best way to buy ticcies these days - getting a trip back from the West coast?

hulkrogan
09-13-2016, 10:55 AM
https://7f9c61237bd6e732e57e-5fa18836a2ae6b5e7c49abcc89b20237.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/10820371_these-photos-of-petyr-baelish-with-frosted_496a8faf_m.jpghttp://www.empireofsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Sacha-Kljestan-Red-Bulls-Sporting-Kansas-City-Warmup-1-620x400.jpg

PopePouri
09-13-2016, 11:58 AM
http://i.imgur.com/EtFELfX.jpg

reggie
09-13-2016, 12:04 PM
https://7f9c61237bd6e732e57e-5fa18836a2ae6b5e7c49abcc89b20237.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/10820371_these-photos-of-petyr-baelish-with-frosted_496a8faf_m.jpghttp://www.empireofsoccer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Sacha-Kljestan-Red-Bulls-Sporting-Kansas-City-Warmup-1-620x400.jpg
hopefully after Sunday we will be the kings of the north and east:scarf:

Richard
09-13-2016, 01:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/EtFELfX.jpg

Oh please, Brienne is a 100 times the man(female) that Shea will ever be haha. :D

hulkrogan
09-13-2016, 10:39 PM
http://i.imgur.com/EtFELfX.jpg

Winner :lol::lol:

molenshtain
09-13-2016, 10:43 PM
Oh please, Brienne is a 100 times the man(female) that Shea will ever be haha. :D


But can Brienne uselessly bomb down the left wing of an oppositions defense for 90 mins? remains to be seen imo.

Ultra & Proud
09-14-2016, 10:23 AM
But can Brienne uselessly bomb down the left wing of an oppositions defense for 90 mins? remains to be seen imo.
No sure Shea can anymore either.

Mateo1985
09-14-2016, 11:19 AM
TFC can clinch playoffs this week if:
TFC win, DC lose, and NE lose or tie.

Also, if that happens AND
Dallas lose, SJ win or tie, and Vancouver lose

then TFC will be the first team to clinch playoffs in 2016.

This is sexy

ronzilla
09-14-2016, 04:50 PM
https://twitter.com/WheelerTSN/status/776102963873878017

Red CB Toronto
09-14-2016, 05:52 PM
https://twitter.com/WheelerTSN/status/776102963873878017





I am fully expecting it to at another week, just no need to rush it unless he is really ready to go.

SenorDingDong
09-14-2016, 07:09 PM
Seba gets subbed on in the final 20 minutes and bags a golazo.

My prediction.

flatpicker
09-15-2016, 09:13 AM
This is the game with the time change, yes?

OgtheDim
09-15-2016, 09:50 AM
5 pm start

It will be on the main Fox network where they don't have an NFL game. First opportunity this season to show off the atmosphere at BMO to the neighbours.

Smokecell
09-15-2016, 10:34 AM
New England maximum points is 48 given their 33 points with 5 games left (29 games played). Chicago and Columbus maximum points is 47. If DC United lose their maximum points is 48 as well.

Therefore TFC on 46 points just needs a DC United loss on Friday night and a TFC win on Sunday to clinch a playoff spot. De ja vu indeed, clinching the playoffs on Sunday can certainly happen


Has anyone been able to figure out why the MLS site is saying we clinch with just a win? The math doesn't seem to add up as shown here

OgtheDim
09-15-2016, 11:52 AM
FWIW

NYRB injury report

McCarty available

Robles likely

Zubar possible


http://www.empireofsoccer.com/rbny-injury-report-dax-near-return-robles-healing-more-53666/

anto7
09-15-2016, 12:09 PM
Has anyone been able to figure out why the MLS site is saying we clinch with just a win? The math doesn't seem to add up as shown here

I think they made a mistake. If we win we have 49pts which means 7th place NE can't catch us, however, if 8th place DC wins their remaining 6 games they would have 51pts. So us losing the remaining 5 games after NYRB game and DC winning all 6 is obviously very unlikely to happen but technically we don't secure the play off spot on Sunday unless DC lose too.
At least that's how it looks to me.

Pint
09-15-2016, 12:30 PM
it has something to do with the teams playing each other and therefore max points for all of the lower teams isn't possible.

anto7
09-15-2016, 02:30 PM
it has something to do with the teams playing each other and therefore max points for all of the lower teams isn't possible.

Yes you are correct sir. DC has to play Orlando so one or both will lose points in that game which means we are in with the win on Sunday.

Blindside16
09-16-2016, 01:01 AM
I can't wait for Sunday. It is an opportunity to truly showcase that we are a legitimate cup contender. I have been hesitating to talk about the shield race but if we can manage 3 points on Sunday I can't help but feel that it could be ours for the taking. We just need to show the league that we are capable of winning the big games. I would be completely shocked to see Seba start this game. I think it's 50/50 that we see him at all. That will need to be a scoreline decision. FWIW the Redbulls sat BWP and SK only played 23 minutes tonight so they will be fresh for Sunday.

portu
09-16-2016, 03:18 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but if we win on Sunday we'd be the first to clinch. Come a long long way.

Blindside16
09-16-2016, 06:20 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but if we win on Sunday we'd be the first to clinch. Come a long long way.

We can provided Dallas doesn't take all 3 points against NYCFC, San Jose wins and we win then yes we would be the first to clinch. We have definitely come a long way.

OgtheDim
09-16-2016, 10:30 AM
Hot DANG

https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/776803531848376329

notthesun
09-16-2016, 10:36 AM
Back in training two days before the match... huh. Maybe we do see him come off the bench.

OgtheDim
09-16-2016, 11:48 AM
Ricketts out



https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/776823186046365696

OgtheDim
09-16-2016, 03:21 PM
In case you were wondering why the game time was changed, here's the goalkeeper explaining why.

In essence, the Giants are acting as a lead in to a New York MLS game.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/thegoalkeeper/Fox-Sports-tries-something-new-with-MLS-NFL-doubleheader.html

Canary10
09-16-2016, 03:48 PM
I have a feeling Giovinco starts.

And we better be effing loud since this game is going to be on Fox across the US.

mistercorporate
09-16-2016, 03:56 PM
Giovinco probably come on after 30 minutes or during the 2nd half. We've got to go all in on this one, close in on Dallas.

Detroit_TFC
09-16-2016, 07:47 PM
In case you were wondering why the game time was changed, here's the goalkeeper explaining why.

In essence, the Giants are acting as a lead in to a New York MLS game.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/thegoalkeeper/Fox-Sports-tries-something-new-with-MLS-NFL-doubleheader.html

The split market thing is an interesting development. At first I was irritated about everyone not getting both games. But given the microscopic ratings of MLS games, have to give Fox some latitude to try some different things.

jloome
09-17-2016, 12:43 PM
I think they made a mistake. If we win we have 49pts which means 7th place NE can't catch us, however, if 8th place DC wins their remaining 6 games they would have 51pts. So us losing the remaining 5 games after NYRB game and DC winning all 6 is obviously very unlikely to happen but technically we don't secure the play off spot on Sunday unless DC lose too.
At least that's how it looks to me.

So DC's tie last night means they can't do any better than tie, I assume.

Kamp Berg
09-17-2016, 01:31 PM
So DC's tie last night means they can't do any better than tie, I assume.

If TFC wins tomorrow they are still in because DC can only get a maximum of 12 wins.

dutch
09-18-2016, 12:31 AM
Is there a march from shoeless tomorrow? what time does the drum leaveBringing my girlfriend, shes never been
thanks

OgtheDim
09-18-2016, 07:44 AM
GAME DAY :scarf:

Weather will be gorgeous with not that much wind

Gringo Starr
09-18-2016, 08:25 AM
Colorado and Dallas both tied yesterday, a win today gets us that much closer to the supporters shield

OgtheDim
09-18-2016, 09:54 AM
If we lose this game, I'm going to try to remember that we would be second only 1 point behind NYRB with a game in hand. Not sure I would be successful at remembering that until half way home though. :)


i.e. Losing would be a lost opportunity but not the end of our east title race by any means.

Red CB Toronto
09-18-2016, 11:10 AM
GAME DAY :scarf:

Weather will be gorgeous with not that much wind

Thank god for it being Sunday and not yesterday. Looking forward to it big time.

Richard
09-18-2016, 11:13 AM
Huge opportunity to challenge for the title. Lets also remember we have more home games than the other teams too, if we get the business done today we have a very real chance of the title coming down to the last two weeks.

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 11:13 AM
WTF...Babouli ? Wheres Ricketts or Hamilton?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CspPSrCXYAInCbt.jpg

stegosaurus
09-18-2016, 11:22 AM
WTF...Babouli ? Wheres Ricketts or Hamilton?



Ricketts is out.

OgtheDim
09-18-2016, 11:29 AM
Baboulli would be a risk and I don't think this is the game to risk that. Orlando, if we had to.

Pint
09-18-2016, 11:46 AM
The projected lineup is never correct, it's someone in social media having a laugh.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 11:57 AM
With Ricketts out and Giovinco probably limited to a sub appearance at most, I would understand starting Babouli as the choice is between him and Hamilton, and Hamilton plays a more similar game to Altidore. But Babouli has kind of lost his place in the team lately, and this is a big game.

Maybe Cooper could play up top off of Altidore, dropping a little deeper. Delgado would be in midfield with Osorio as attacking mid.

DinamoTFC
09-18-2016, 12:45 PM
WTF...Babouli ? Wheres Ricketts or Hamilton?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CspPSrCXYAInCbt.jpg

I don't think these lineups have ever been right even when team selections were obvious.

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 12:49 PM
The projected lineup is never correct, it's someone in social media having a laugh.

With vanney in charge, it wouldn't be surprising.

CBTFC
09-18-2016, 02:46 PM
I think it's gonna feel a bit warmer on the field than we think at kickoff, with the low wind and hot sun. Wear your sunscreen! Lol

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 03:08 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/777598186030403584


https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/777598596883423232

Seba not on the bench : /

sn0re
09-18-2016, 03:15 PM
I would have like to see Cooper in the starting XI

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 03:41 PM
And we Persist with Osorio at AM. That plus no Seba means chances will be few and far between this game I fear.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 03:55 PM
Red Bulls in a 4-2-3-1: Robles, Duvall, Perrinelle, Collin, Lawrence, Felipe, Davis, Muyl, Kljestan, Royer, BWP

McCarty, Grella and Veron all on the bench. I think we have a good chance against that back four plus McCarty not protecting them.

Greatest Ripoff
09-18-2016, 04:08 PM
Any streams?

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 04:10 PM
Wow a rare TFC game on Fox, channel 28... Gonna watch this broadcast and see how alexi lalas talks about us.

So far he said:

- We're "nouveau riche"
- Have had incompetent management for the past decade
- No one pays attention to us south of the border


A fair assessment, quite accurate.

bones
09-18-2016, 04:12 PM
stupid fucking white shit uni's again... at home, what the actual fuck

notthesun
09-18-2016, 04:23 PM
Welp. Now would be a great time to win a game without scoring first.

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 04:23 PM
Woulda been a goal anyways...

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 04:27 PM
What in the actual fuck.... first time ive ever agreed with Floro

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:28 PM
Ugh. Osorio...

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 04:31 PM
He can't be in our starting 11 come playoff time. He's just too much of a liability.

AFCB+TFC
09-18-2016, 04:35 PM
And we Persist with Osorio at AM. That plus no Seba means chances will be few and far between this game I fear.

Agreed. Oso is so frustrating to watch, has a good game about every 5 games. If he was American he would be constantly criticized. Surely Cooper must be an upgrade, I'd take a League 1 AM over Oso in a heartbeat.

AFCB+TFC
09-18-2016, 04:36 PM
What a save by Bono there

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 04:37 PM
Oso needs to learn to shoot the fckn ball.

What a save by Bono.

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:38 PM
Oso just made a killer play on that last chance before Bono's huge save.

Oso so has the skill, he needs to be more decisive. You can sometimes see him thinking out there.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 04:42 PM
Zavaleta just killed the game. Fuck, what a letdown.

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 04:42 PM
Good job Zava - fuck.

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 04:42 PM
Ugggh what was he thinking? I know that could be called a foul but he left himself no margin of error.

DSouzaZ
09-18-2016, 04:42 PM
That's why Zavaleta is shit. Should've kept Perquis, we need centre backs that can pass when under pressure

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:43 PM
What. The. Fuck?

AFCB+TFC
09-18-2016, 04:43 PM
Oso just made a killer play on that last chance before Bono's huge save.

Oso so has the skill, he needs to be more decisive. You can sometimes see him thinking out there.

Sure he has the skill but we see it what once every 5 games? He's not nearly consistent enough to start for a good MLS team.

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 04:44 PM
That's why Zavaleta is shit. Should've kept Perquis, we need centre backs that can pass when under pressure


he's had a very good year. Today isn't an accurate reflection of his talent. Perquis had way more shit games than Zav has for us.

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 04:45 PM
guys, don't trash talk greg vanney's nephew ...

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 04:47 PM
Midfield has shit the bed today attack wise. Totally unable to work it through the middle third of the field unless it's on the counter.

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:49 PM
guys, don't trash talk greg vanney's nephew ...
He's been good enough to earn his spot this season, but he made a bad play on that goal. This whole "Vanney's nephew" thing is bullshit.

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 04:51 PM
Midfield has shit the bed today attack wise. Totally unable to work it through the middle third of the field unless it's on the counter.
Welp, spoke too soon.

We needed that one.

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 04:52 PM
He's been good enough to earn his spot this season, but he made a bad play on that goal. This whole "Vanney's nephew" thing is bullshit.

Haha I know he has been solid I haven't mentioned the nephew thing since last season, just ribbing

notthesun
09-18-2016, 04:52 PM
Osorio's golden chance and that goal both came from breaking down their high press. But I think we're lacking some quality in midfield to do it consistently. I would give Cheyrou or Cooper a look in the 2nd half to get another guy in there that can take a quick touch and play a measured ball.

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:53 PM
Beautiful.

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:54 PM
Haha I know he has been solid I haven't mentioned the nephew thing since last season, just ribbing
Well played g:D.

You had me going.

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:55 PM
Osorio's golden chance and that goal both came from breaking down their high press. But I think we're lacking some quality in midfield to do it consistently. I would give Cheyrou or Cooper a look in the 2nd half to get another guy in there that can take a quick touch and play a measured ball.
Delgado seems to be getting overrun and losing the ball a lot.

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 04:57 PM
Delgado seems to be getting overrun and losing the ball a lot.
Agreed, he looks terrible today.

Should be an interesting second half.

Jack
09-18-2016, 04:58 PM
Agreed, he looks terrible today.

Should be an interesting second half.
Cheyrou for Delgado?

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 04:59 PM
Cheyrou for Delgado?
The latter, haha. Although maybe cheyrou is looking a little rough on the bench too, I don't know.

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 05:00 PM
Delgado seems to be getting overrun and losing the ball a lot.


Muyl is a very, very good wingerswho covers a ton of ground defensively. Not sure Cheyrou would do better than Delgado there, as some are suggesting.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 05:01 PM
I think I'd move Osorio into Delgado's spot and take Delgado off, then put Cooper in the hole. Osorio will be better in the build up and Cooper probably has the better eye for goal in the final third.

Hamilton is playing well.

Jack
09-18-2016, 05:02 PM
Muyl is a very, very good wingerswho covers a ton of ground defensively. Not sure Cheyrou would do better than Delgado there, as some are suggesting.
I think he'd be better at finding the pass under pressure, but Delgado is quicker.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 05:07 PM
https://twitter.com/RudiSchuller/status/777626728223027200

BritSOL
09-18-2016, 05:09 PM
Is it just me or is the crowd really quiet today? Hardly any noise coming through on sky sports.

SirBobSaget
09-18-2016, 05:11 PM
Better not wait long for a sub there's difference makers on the bench and a few players are having bad games

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 05:17 PM
WTF was that??

That's two plays in 5 minutes Bradley has been wrong sided. This time it cost us a goal.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 05:18 PM
I literally don't understand what just happened with our defense. That was the slowest build up EVER and BWP was wide open the entire time, and nobody got back to help. Undermanned the entire time, what the fuck.

SirBobSaget
09-18-2016, 05:18 PM
Beitashour having a shocker where was he?

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 05:18 PM
BWP will get the MVP over GIO this year

DSouzaZ
09-18-2016, 05:18 PM
Bradley's fault

Jack
09-18-2016, 05:19 PM
Terrible. Bradley? Beitashour? What the hell?

This is how we play in a first place match?

SirBobSaget
09-18-2016, 05:19 PM
Cooper coming better be 3 at back with beitashour off

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 05:20 PM
If you have your fullbacks extending its the DM's job to drop in. Just because the play went to the right side of the field on a counter doesn't mean it's on the fullback.

SirBobSaget
09-18-2016, 05:22 PM
Can we get cheyrou back at dm?

Prof
09-18-2016, 05:30 PM
Can we get cheyrou back at dm?

Yes, He should be starting, but once again he wont even get on the pitch.

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 05:33 PM
If this turns into Endoh crossing the ball at every play I'm done. When has that ever worked?

notthesun
09-18-2016, 05:33 PM
I gotta be honest... I don't know why Endoh is seeing the pitch at this stage of the season.

SirBobSaget
09-18-2016, 05:33 PM
Why when we are chasing is the strategy always endoh on the right crossing pointlessly

notthesun
09-18-2016, 05:37 PM
Holy shit, he can hit a free kick too!

AFCB+TFC
09-18-2016, 05:37 PM
Jozyyyyy! what a beauty!

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 05:38 PM
Great kick, nice one Jozy!

Richard
09-18-2016, 05:39 PM
Why when we are chasing is the strategy always endoh on the right crossing pointlessly

404. Footy IQ not found.

:noidea:

Jack
09-18-2016, 05:39 PM
What a hit. One step and boom.

Jack
09-18-2016, 05:53 PM
Endoh useless so far.

AFCB+TFC
09-18-2016, 05:55 PM
Jozyyy you underappreciated beast you!

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 05:56 PM
I fuckin love Seba more than anything but if Jozy keeps this up he should be player of the year for us based on the past two months

Jack
09-18-2016, 05:56 PM
Fucking yes!

Richard
09-18-2016, 05:56 PM
That son of a bitch.

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 05:59 PM
Cooper suspended for the next game at least then. Can't kick a guy while he's down.

Jack
09-18-2016, 06:00 PM
Cooper suspended for the next game at least then. Can't kick a guy while he's down.
Dumb dumb dumb.

Couchy81
09-18-2016, 06:04 PM
Feels like a win boys, feels like a win.

Pookie
09-18-2016, 06:04 PM
Great game in a lot of ways.

Congratulations on a playoff spot.

Downside for MLS is that with the post season ticket in hand, we can simply take the foot off the gas and play not to get hurt. No rush to come back for Giovinco, etc. No sense winning the meaningless shield (in the eyes of MLS) and risking injury.

Home field advantage will be offered as a rebuttal but with the cold fall weather and players that don't come from Canada, I'm not sure this is an advantage

Either or. Prize is the Cup so we are closer to it.

ag futbol
09-18-2016, 06:05 PM
I'll take it. We clawed our way back for this one. Few guys need to step it up though.

Cooper was great dropping back in the midfield. Definitely has something a lot of guys on this team lack. Too bad he'll be out a game or two after kicking out, lol.

notthesun
09-18-2016, 06:06 PM
Insane game.

Altidore is in unbelievable form. Best striker in the league right now.

Not gonna lie, Bradley should've dove after that fake shot at the end there.

We definitely escaped with a point, but credit to the team for not giving up as well. Have to sweep the lowlings of the East now.

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 06:06 PM
Great game in a lot of ways.

Congratulations on a playoff spot.

Downside for MLS is that with the post season ticket in hand, we can simply take the foot off the gas and play not to get hurt. No rush to come back for Giovinco, etc. No sense winning the meaningless shield (in the eyes of MLS) and risking injury.

Home field advantage will be offered as a rebuttal but with the cold fall weather and players that don't come from Canada, I'm not sure this is an advantage.

If we make the final I'd much rather it be here than in LA or Dallas.

Hugh Jazz
09-18-2016, 06:08 PM
Beita was much better when we switched to a back three.

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 06:09 PM
Cooper suspended for the next game at least then. Can't kick a guy while he's down.


Seen the kick but wasn't sure who it was. That could have been red card. Really stupid of him.

Pookie
09-18-2016, 06:10 PM
If we make the final I'd much rather it be here than in LA or Dallas.

For the fans yes. For the players? Dunno. You want them at their peak, where they are most comfortable.

Richard
09-18-2016, 06:12 PM
For the fans yes. For the players? Dunno. You want them at their peak, where they are most comfortable.

Oh common, we're not playing in a blizzard with negative 20 temperatures.

Bunch of primadonnas.

OgtheDim
09-18-2016, 06:17 PM
First impression Felt like a win. That was playoff intense. Two good teams. Fun to be in the stands for.

General Woolfe
09-18-2016, 06:18 PM
What a great comeback from the Reds!!! :scarf:

Just as my hopes of doing anything meaningful in the playoffs were starting to dwindle and fade, TFC fought and clawed there way back into this, proving there are a match for what is a very good team in NYRB, a side that seems to have limitless depth.

Yes, winning the MLS Cup might still be a pipe dream as there are a number of solid teams in this league who are perhaps better equipped than us, and perhaps we are still a bit too reliant on our younger players to go all the way. However more and more I feel we are capable of putting together a good run where this side will do the city proud.

Now the playoff spot is clinched we need to set about putting a string of results together and gain some momentum. We should also use the remaining five games to figure out our best starting 11 and the formation that best suits the personnel we have available to us.

Right now, lets celebrate for a day or two at the achievement of our Reds, the first side in MLS to clinch a playoff spot, in only the second in our history we've made it there

:party:

Pookie
09-18-2016, 06:19 PM
Oh common, we're not playing in a blizzard with negative 20 temperatures.

Bunch of primadonnas.

Maybe not but where did they train? Where are they most comfortable?

In any event the main point is that with the playoff spot now in hand, the main goal for the rest of the season should be staying healthy. Wouldn't take any unnecessary risks going forward.

ronzilla
09-18-2016, 06:20 PM
BWP will get the MVP over GIO this year

No. Maybe golden boot, not MVP. Giovinco has a huge lead in that race.

General Woolfe
09-18-2016, 06:23 PM
BWP will get the MVP over GIO this year

If it was based on the last month maybe, over the year however id say Villa is a bigger rival to Seba, but all Villa does is score goals :jester:

sn0re
09-18-2016, 06:48 PM
Maybe not but where did they train? Where are they most comfortable?

In any event the main point is that with the playoff spot now in hand, the main goal for the rest of the season should be staying healthy. Wouldn't take any unnecessary risks going forward.

For the most part. By the time playoffs comes everyone will be healthy. It's important to get Irwin moving again in the next 5 games.

MightyDM
09-18-2016, 07:22 PM
Sure he has the skill but we see it what once every 5 games? He's not nearly consistent enough to start for a good MLS team.
Disagree. Oso plays really well with our skilled players and moves the ball, creates chances..just uptight in scoring position. Watch the game again and you will see that Bradley and Altidore really trust him and he helped create a number of opportunities with great touches.

OgtheDim
09-18-2016, 07:31 PM
Based on his post match behaviour, I think Bono was told before this game that Irwin starts on Saturday.

I also think that Irwin communicates better.

CBTFC
09-18-2016, 07:40 PM
I would have like to see Cooper in the starting XI

Same here. I watched him closely from the top of section 110, and his movements with the ball are fantastic. Much more fluid and quicker than Osorio

stevep
09-18-2016, 07:41 PM
Disagree. Oso plays really well with our skilled players and moves the ball, creates chances..just uptight in scoring position. Watch the game again and you will see that Bradley and Altidore really trust him and he helped create a number of opportunities with great touches.


was at the game today, based on todays observations

osorio is a great playmaker, much better than delgado or endoh
he just can't score

AFCB+TFC
09-18-2016, 07:47 PM
Disagree. Oso plays really well with our skilled players and moves the ball, creates chances..just uptight in scoring position. Watch the game again and you will see that Bradley and Altidore really trust him and he helped create a number of opportunities with great touches.

He had a better game after I made that comment to be fair and no I don't need to rematch the game, I see Oso play every week. I agree he has the trust of Bradley and Altidore and is undoubtedly a good passer with good vision. However, he is also slow, takes one too many touches extremely often, is bad defensively and always screws up his scoring chances. Can players still get by in MLS on one good attribute anymore? From what little I've seen of Cooper so far, Cooper is better.

The #10 role is arguably the most important in the whole team, we can't have a mediocre MLS player like him there.

bigredone
09-18-2016, 08:18 PM
Based on his post match behaviour, I think Bono was told before this game that Irwin starts on Saturday.

I also think that Irwin communicates better.

Would have been better if that was communicated differently, if true. The match kinda speaks for itself so the hard leadership work was done.?:confused:.

Osorio is on, Delgado is not. Delgado is hot Osorio is not. Either way we kick ass.

greatwhitenorf
09-18-2016, 08:24 PM
Crushing moral victory for Toronto. Crushing. A win after being down 3-1 would have been devastating for NY-URBP.

Our closest adversary in the standings, kept at bay without the need for risking Giovinco. And three goals in his absence. Very positive.

A very good result looking at the broader picture. With a winnable home game in hand - Sept. 28 vs. Orlando (when one looks over how the schedule matches us & the NYs in the other encounters) - TFC are still in great shape to clinch the east and challenge for first overall. Dallas has a very difficult schedule, heavy with top opponents from the West. Colorado have a winnable set of games, but aren't scoring enough to have a lot of confidence in. And they have a home-and-home set with Houston. No one is enjoying playing the Dynamo just now.

So, first overall and home field advantage throughout the playoffs is still very attainable. To suggest anything else might be preferable or desirable is sheer, uninformed twaddle.

greatwhitenorf
09-18-2016, 08:34 PM
stupid fucking white shit uni's again... at home, what the actual fuck

Preach. It's not like DeRosario ever wore a kit like that here.

Horrible looking outfits. Against opponents in blue, we seem to look less decisive. Red pops into one's peripheral vision a lot easier than that bad grade 2 art project. Hopefully, we're done wearing them this year. We wouldn't wear them in Montreal. Red should be only choice in remaining home games.

OgtheDim
09-18-2016, 08:40 PM
That was the last of the "legacy" games. Although I don't mind them, its time to wear the red for the playoff push.

Oldtimer
09-18-2016, 08:46 PM
Based on his post match behaviour, I think Bono was told before this game that Irwin starts on Saturday.

I also think that Irwin communicates better.

I doubt he was told beforehand.
More likely he realized he didn't have his best game this time and his run is over.

SoccMan2
09-18-2016, 08:52 PM
It's actually a debate on playing to get a home playoff date or even better finishing as high as possible so that if you make the MLS Cup final you get the game played at your home field, but of course you would want that, I can't believe I have to come on here to debate this come on man!

SKB
09-18-2016, 09:09 PM
Well time for a dish of crow. Well I was pretty hard Altidore and felt like many we should buy him out. But boy has turned it around. Carry Ed the team tonight. So I take back all those nasty things I said about him

Pookie
09-18-2016, 09:15 PM
It's actually a debate on playing to get a home playoff date or even better finishing as high as possible so that if you make the MLS Cup final you get the game played at your home field, but of course you would want that, I can't believe I have to come on here to debate this come on man!

What's the goal? Being healthy for when it matters or running up points in what is essentially seeding?

I am assuming you understand the MLS Playoff format...?

Let's set aside the Cup final for a moment ... which is played on December 10th and I am sure figures to be a fantastic experience for our more southerly born players if we get to host it. . But yes, would be fun to have it here though I am not sure that the boys will be ready and at their peak in the weather.

Knockout is where home field could matter since it's a single game. But we likely won't be in that considering the odds.

The games that we would likely be involved in on the way to the Cup Final are home and away. That means 1 for us. 1 for them. 2 game series. Not a North American best of 7. 2. We host just 1 of those 2. Advantage? Hardly.

Particularly if it means running Giovinco back early and into the ground.

Priority from here on out should be keeping players in game shape but erring on the side of caution instead of chasing what MLS considers to be a meaningless shield.

Btw, trend is that usually the top seed doesn't make the final. So we could finish 2nd or 3rd and still have home field advantage(?) in a Cup Final.

Now if MLS got some sense and had a table champion and ended it there, we've got ourselves an exciting finish to the season to discuss.

CBTFC
09-18-2016, 09:18 PM
Altidore is having a career renaissance, just like Dos Santos in LA.

Exactly what they needed to rejuvenate

notthesun
09-18-2016, 09:41 PM
I doubt he was told beforehand.
More likely he realized he didn't have his best game this time and his run is over.

I can't fault Bono on any of the goals, and he had that wonderful save on BWP's header to keep us in it. He had a few minor distribution errors, that was about it. Nevertheless, and Vanney will never say this, but I suspect Vanney's secretly relieved that we let in a bunch of goals (and still grabbed a point to boot) because he can use that as justification to start Irwin again. Bono has done well and Vanney was stuck in that awkward position where you want to reward the player performing, but everyone knows the alternative is better, especially come playoff time. So I'm guessing Vanney will seize this opportunity to put Irwin back into the lineup from here on out.

barticusz
09-18-2016, 10:01 PM
Oso... welcome back... Please keep playing like this. He was far more direct and really focused on moving the ball forward. That is what he needs to do to take his game to the next level. Great job by him tonight.

Ivy
09-18-2016, 10:05 PM
What's the goal? Being healthy for when it matters or running up points in what is essentially seeding?

I am assuming you understand the MLS Playoff format...?

Let's set aside the Cup final for a moment ... which is played on December 10th and I am sure figures to be a fantastic experience for our more southerly born players if we get to host it. . But yes, would be fun to have it here though I am not sure that the boys will be ready and at their peak in the weather.

Knockout is where home field could matter since it's a single game. But we likely won't be in that considering the odds.

The games that we would likely be involved in on the way to the Cup Final are home and away. That means 1 for us. 1 for them. 2 game series. Not a North American best of 7. 2. We host just 1 of those 2. Advantage? Hardly.

Particularly if it means running Giovinco back early and into the ground.

Priority from here on out should be keeping players in game shape but erring on the side of caution instead of chasing what MLS considers to be a meaningless shield.

Btw, trend is that usually the top seed doesn't make the final. So we could finish 2nd or 3rd and still have home field advantage(?) in a Cup Final.

Now if MLS got some sense and had a table champion and ended it there, we've got ourselves an exciting finish to the season to discuss.
I am assuming you understand the MLS playoff format...?
only 1 and 2 are guaranteed a home and away fixture. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. One game.
You can be saving health and protecting Seba, end up 3rd or fourth, lose one game and the season is over. No second chances.

Oldtimer
09-18-2016, 10:21 PM
I can't fault Bono on any of the goals, and he had that wonderful save on BWP's header to keep us in it. He had a few minor distribution errors

I don't fault him for the goals, but he had enough distribution errors to be noticeable, his positioning was dodgy at times, and sometimes he made the wrong decision about whether to boot the ball down the field or do a short pass.

He's been great for us for that long stretch, but it really is time to put Irwin back in.

DinamoTFC
09-18-2016, 10:22 PM
I am assuming you understand the MLS playoff format...?
only 1 and 2 are guaranteed a home and away fixture. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. One game.
You can be saving health and protecting Seba, end up 3rd or fourth, lose one game and the season is over. No second chances.

This.

Get as high a seed as possible to get a first round bye, second game of conference semi finals and finals played at home, and a potentional mls cup at home which would be a significant advantage.

Yes rest Seba and make sure he's healthy. But definitely don't take the foot off the peddle. Momentum is everything.

DinamoTFC
09-18-2016, 10:25 PM
Cooper suspended for the next game at least then. Can't kick a guy while he's down.

I must have missed this. When did this happen?
Cooper was never cautioned.

General Woolfe
09-18-2016, 10:42 PM
I can't fault Bono on any of the goals, and he had that wonderful save on BWP's header to keep us in it. He had a few minor distribution errors

You don't think maybe (and I stress maybe) he should've come for their first goal? The thought certainly crossed my mind

General Woolfe
09-18-2016, 10:43 PM
I don't want to tempt fate, but is there a trophy or banner for the team that tops the conference at the end of regular season play?

greatwhitenorf
09-18-2016, 11:08 PM
Oh, indeed there is.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-Zv4yhN9Pwwg/TaaiH-ey5QI/AAAAAAAAAIA/abAfdsCRsQM/sextoy-vibrator-dildo-mau-vang-tron-rung.jpg

The Golden Totem is awarded, to symbolize that you've achieved pole position for the playoffs, but that, in reality, you've won fuck all.

molenshtain
09-18-2016, 11:14 PM
I must have missed this. When did this happen?
Cooper was never cautioned.

Cooper went after Kleijstan for diving a couple of times. The Kleijstan went down again, and Cooper kicked him while he was down. Only saw it on the replays. The ref missed it.

BritSOL
09-19-2016, 02:45 AM
In the 73rd minute, RBNY were called for a foul throw in, but I didn't see was was actually wrong with it.

did anyone catch what was wrong?

Pookie
09-19-2016, 05:27 AM
I am assuming you understand the MLS playoff format...?
only 1 and 2 are guaranteed a home and away fixture. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5. One game.
You can be saving health and protecting Seba, end up 3rd or fourth, lose one game and the season is over. No second chances.

The knock out is unlikely as I said but a possibility sure.

2 points clear of 2 teams, 1 game in hand on both and 5 to play.

The likelihood of gaining 5 points on Dallas for the overall 1 to guarantee home field is a long shot. Meaning that the only game that may be up for home field grabs is the knockout and we are in good shape to avoid it.

I get your fear over knockout. That's a side discussion for me on the stupidity of the playoffs as a whole.

But the odds are we land somewhere between 1 and 2 and can do so by not stressing the health of key players.

The fallacy of North American playoff pushes to keep fans interest is that most teams will take their foot off the gas once they are in. Coaches get fired for playoff exits. Teams are evaluated not based on how they did during the season, but how they did during the final tournament of the year.

As a result, the next most important game is the one that is 5 games from now. Be healthy for that.

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 06:10 AM
In the 73rd minute, RBNY were called for a foul throw in, but I didn't see was was actually wrong with it.

did anyone catch what was wrong?

Time wasting

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 06:14 AM
As for playing for position, we are 2 points above 3rd. Foot has to stay on the gas.

Which brings up another point - MLS playoff success traditionally comes from teams who steam into the playoffs. Last season at this point CBus was sitting in 4th in the East. Nope, no rest now. Play for points every game.

Rest at Christmas.

TFC Tifoso
09-19-2016, 06:53 AM
As for playing for position, we are 2 points above 3rd. Foot has to stay on the gas.

Which brings up another point - MLS playoff success traditionally comes from teams who steam into the playoffs. Last season at this point CBus was sitting in 4th in the East. Nope, no rest now. Play for points every game.

Rest at Christmas.

I agree with this 100%....examples all over sports over the years of this....can't go ass backwards into the playoffs.....

amazing come from behind points yesterday.....and just what I was hoping for with Seba's injury....for this team to step up and show some character without him, and play with a bit of a chip on their collective shoulders, to show this isn't a one-man team......awesome stuff....

Hamilton_Red
09-19-2016, 07:04 AM
We are two points behind the Supporters Shield which is arguably a bigger achievement than the MLS Cup. You frigging go for it when you can. Winners win and it brings momentum. Also it brings the MlS cup final home. You do everything possible to win it. Can't believe a fan would want anything else.

jimiv
09-19-2016, 07:27 AM
Oh, indeed there is.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-Zv4yhN9Pwwg/TaaiH-ey5QI/AAAAAAAAAIA/abAfdsCRsQM/sextoy-vibrator-dildo-mau-vang-tron-rung.jpg

The Golden Totem is awarded, to symbolize that you've achieved pole position for the playoffs, but that, in reality, you've won fuck all.

Making the playoffs is the minimum expectation that we should have, however it is also the trigger for ticket renewals. During the pregame they mentioned renewals will start this week, I wonder why MLSE doesn't have enough faith in the team to wait a bit longer.

Fort York Redcoat
09-19-2016, 07:58 AM
Great game in a lot of ways.

Congratulations on a playoff spot.

Downside for MLS is that with the post season ticket in hand, we can simply take the foot off the gas and play not to get hurt. No rush to come back for Giovinco, etc. No sense winning the meaningless shield (in the eyes of MLS) and risking injury.

Home field advantage will be offered as a rebuttal but with the cold fall weather and players that don't come from Canada, I'm not sure this is an advantage

Either or. Prize is the Cup so we are closer to it.

You are hilarious Pook.

Why don't you just support the way you want to support? All this angst about what the league prefers and takes away from your experience...

You and I both want or at least respect a Supporters Shield more. It's allowed. Until we're the majority the pussplops are good biz for the league> so they are going to stay. We don't HAVE to like it. Just no reason to be a Parade Rainer for the Pussplops fans.

Sorry everyone. Playoffs. We're in. I can type it. :D

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 08:01 AM
Delgado looked terrible!
Cant help but feel Hamilton is just a consisten season of starting away from being a real threat.
Cooper is really good but didnt look part of the team just yet.
Osario was HUNGRY!

Game looked terrible on TV. The white shirts in the sun was unwatchable.
They need to cover the gaps, that sun will be a bitch in the fall months

Pookie
09-19-2016, 08:17 AM
As for playing for position, we are 2 points above 3rd. Foot has to stay on the gas.

Which brings up another point - MLS playoff success traditionally comes from teams who steam into the playoffs. Last season at this point CBus was sitting in 4th in the East. Nope, no rest now. Play for points every game.

Rest at Christmas.

At all costs?

Sorry. Agree to disagree here.

Games are independent events. Opponents are different. Weather is different. Circumstances are different. Motivation is different.

How well we do against Chicago or Orlando over the next few weeks has no bearing on how well we do in Round 2. Momentum is largely something discussed at the bar but winning streaks end. Losing streaks end. Because games are independent events.

But you know what does have an impact on playoff results? If Giovinco comes back early and re-injures himself. That needs to be the priority across the starting 11.

ManUtd4ever
09-19-2016, 08:22 AM
At all costs?

Sorry. Agree to disagree here.

Games are independent events. Opponents are different. Weather is different. Circumstances are different. Motivation is different.

How well we do against Chicago or Orlando over the next few weeks has no bearing on how well we do in Round 2. Momentum is largely something discussed at the bar but winning streaks end. Losing streaks end. Because games are independent events.

But you know what does have an impact on playoff results? If Giovinco comes back early and re-injures himself. That needs to be the priority across the starting 11.

I think that having Giovinco back in the lineup at nothing less than 100% is a given with this coaching staff. They have been cautious throughout the season with respect to players coming off injured reserve.

Oldtimer
09-19-2016, 08:23 AM
But you know what does have an impact on playoff results? If Giovinco comes back early and re-injures himself. That needs to be the priority across the starting 11.

Vanney has shown no sign of rushing players back. Rushing Giovinco back would be stupid. Yet so would holding him back because there is a 0.05% chance of re-injury. It should be left to the physio staff when Giovinco is fit to play.

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 08:23 AM
We are two points behind the Supporters Shield which is arguably a bigger achievement than the MLS Cup. You frigging go for it when you can. Winners win and it brings momentum. Also it brings the MlS cup final home. You do everything possible to win it. Can't believe a fan would want anything else.

This. MLS Cup isn't the only prize, by world standards a Shield is more important and look how close we are. Our top players need to be in good form going into the playoffs, not just good jealth.

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 08:25 AM
As far as our lineup yesterday, they should have had Cheyrpu in for Delgado and Cooper in for Osorio. Cooper looks legit so far.

Also, the game yesterday was super loud in the stadium, crowd was into it and rattling the stands with their stomping. The quiter TV sound was probably due to the positioning of their mic's, the announcers seemed to be mostly indoors.

Announced crowd was just under 25,000. Seems pretty conservative, but I believe them, looked like 27,000 to me when I got there half an hour into the game.

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 09:07 AM
As far as our lineup yesterday, they should have had Cheyrpu in for Delgado and Cooper in for Osorio. Cooper looks legit so far.

Also, the game yesterday was super loud in the stadium, crowd was into it and rattling the stands with their stomping. The quiter TV sound was probably due to the positioning of their mic's, the announcers seemed to be mostly indoors.

Announced crowd was just under 25,000. Seems pretty conservative, but I believe them, looked like 27,000 to me when I got there half an hour into the game.

I agree, that game was missing some cool calm cheyrouness

but regarding the shield. Winning the shield doesn't get us a champions league spot, so its not really as important to a Cdn team. (am i wrong on CL spot?)

ManUtd4ever
09-19-2016, 09:11 AM
I agree, that game was missing some cool calm cheyrouness

but regarding the shield. Winning the shield doesn't get us a champions league spot, so its not really as important to a Cdn team. (am i wrong on CL spot?)

Correct, CCL is based on the Voyageurs Cup. For Canadian clubs, the shield is all about prestige.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 09:12 AM
Can someone explain to me the math that says we clinched? When I look at it, DC and New England can both win out and still catch us. If New England wins out, Montreal can still catch us if they win all their other games other than the New England one. Orlando can, in theory win out and also catch us, but if they did either Montreal or New England would end up finishing below and not be able to catch us and DC couldn't. Therefore Orlando winning out won't knock us out of the playoffs. But both DC and New England winning out would knock us out if we lost every game.

It's confusing, but I don't see the math. Can someone explain?

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 09:14 AM
I agree, that game was missing some cool calm cheyrouness

but regarding the shield. Winning the shield doesn't get us a champions league spot, so its not really as important to a Cdn team. (am i wrong on CL spot?)

I believe we already got a Champions League spot by winning the Canadian Championship in Vancouver. Supporters Shield is next, then all in for the MLS Cup.

I'm salivating at the prospect of 38,000 fans during our home playoff game at a temporarily expanded BMO Field!

Canary10
09-19-2016, 09:15 AM
Btw, great game last night and good result. They needed the three points more than we did. Coming back from 2-0 and 3-1 against a good team needing a win is a sign of a team ready for big games imo.

molenshtain
09-19-2016, 09:16 AM
Can someone explain to me the math that says we clinched? When I look at it, DC and New England can both win out and still catch us. If New England wins out, Montreal can still catch us if they win all their other games other than the New England one. Orlando can, in theory win out and also catch us, but if they did either Montreal or New England would end up finishing below and not be able to catch us and DC couldn't. Therefore Orlando winning out won't knock us out of the playoffs. But both DC and New England winning out would knock us out if we lost every game.

It's confusing, but I don't see the math. Can someone explain?

all those teams still have to play each other, so they can't all get max points.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 09:24 AM
all those teams still have to play each other, so they can't all get max points.

DC and New England can get max points (i.e. they don't play each other). If New England gets max, Montreal can still beat us if they win all of their other games. Anyone above Montreal can still catch us in multiple ways.

MightyDM
09-19-2016, 09:26 AM
Btw, great game last night and good result. They needed the three points more than we did. Coming back from 2-0 and 3-1 against a good team needing a win is a sign of a team ready for big games imo.

I loved the game, comeback incredible, but the team defending on the first and third goals was terrible. Almost like two years ago at the end of the year. So have to quibble on the " great game" comment.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 09:29 AM
I loved the game, comeback incredible, but the team defending on the first and third goals was terrible. Almost like two years ago at the end of the year. So have to quibble on the " great game" comment.

I missed the first one, but yeah, awful defending on the third. Still, about as entertaining a game as you could want, and the fact we came back...I stand by great. :)

MightyDM
09-19-2016, 09:29 AM
DC and New England can get max points (i.e. they don't play each other). If New England gets max, Montreal can still beat us if they win all of their other games. Anyone above Montreal can still catch us in multiple ways.

yes but they cannot all catch us, because they play each other. So if Orlando does New England won't, that kind of thing.So we are at least 6th

MightyDM
09-19-2016, 09:30 AM
I missed the first one, but yeah, awful defending on the third. Still, about as entertaining a game as you could want, and the fact we came back...I stand by great. :)

"GREAT comeback, greAt result". I'm ok with great....

Still Kicking
09-19-2016, 09:33 AM
Just thinking out loud and welcome other views...

Why not play Bradley and Moor as a central defender pair? I know that Zavaletta, Williams or Hagglund get a spot back there for defending balls in the air and physical presence, but against some teams is that as important?
Then you could get Cheyrou playing as the holding midfielder. He is slower than Bradley, but I feel that Cheyrou is a better passer.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 09:34 AM
yes but they cannot all catch us, because they play each other. So if Orlando does New England won't, that kind of thing.So we are at least 6th

I agree, Orlando can't. If Orlando wins out, DC can't catch us (Orlando and DC play each other twice), and one of Montreal and New England can't catch us. So in that scenario 6th is the worst we can do. But DC can win out and catch us (they are in 7th). New England can win out and catch us (they are 6th). And Montreal can still lose to New England and catch us if they won every other game (they are 5th). We would finish 7th then if we lost every game.

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 09:37 AM
I believe we already got a Champions League spot by winning the Canadian Championship in Vancouver. Supporters Shield is next, then all in for the MLS Cup.

I'm salivating at the prospect of 38,000 fans during our home playoff game at a temporarily expanded BMO Field!

agreed, do it for home advantage

SarniaTFC
09-19-2016, 09:38 AM
Just want to say a massive congratulations to every single one of you on here. A fantastic achievement being the first team to qualify for the playoffs. We certainly have come a long way. Yesterday's performance was a bit of a weird once but the fight and determination the teams displayed was amazing. Bradley and Altidore were fantastic and the gamble Vanney took to go with the more offensive changes was nice too see. I thought Cooper was brilliant when he came on aswell. Hopefully we can continue to ride this momentum and have a long journey in the playoffs. Again just a big congratulations to everyone, it's been along time coming now let's just make the most of this! Cheers and COYR

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 09:39 AM
Anyone notice there are more women attending games now? It used to be a sausage fest but now between a quarter to a third of attendees are women, great to see!

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 09:45 AM
Where does TFC post the game stats on its website?, like on the MLS app

found it
http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-09-18-toronto-fc-vs-new-york-red-bulls/recap

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 09:52 AM
this is what im talking about

made watching on TV brutal, can only imagine in person
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csq7eqRXYAILi-3.jpg:small

hate to poop on a player, but anyone else think Endoh needs to see tfc2 or be left available for the draft?

Prof
09-19-2016, 10:01 AM
In the 73rd minute, RBNY were called for a foul throw in, but I didn't see was was actually wrong with it.

did anyone catch what was wrong?


Wasting time.

Richard
09-19-2016, 10:06 AM
this is what im talking about

made watching on TV brutal, can only imagine in person
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csq7eqRXYAILi-3.jpg:small

hate to poop on a player, but anyone else think Endoh needs to see tfc2 or be left available for the draft?

Endoh is a dime a dozen winger, has some pace, some ok dribbling skills but no end product or substance to anything he does. Very average at best.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 10:14 AM
Hate to harp on this, but it's driving me crazy. This is in theory possible I believe. Not likely, but clinching means mathematically impossible that someone can catch us.

NYCFC wins 3 of 4 (beats Chi, Hous, Columbus, loses to DC United) - 54 points
Phil wins out (beats TFC, Red Bulls twice, Orlando)- 53 points
Montreal wins 4 of 5 (beats Red Bulls, San Jose, Orlando, TFC, loses to NE) - 50 points
DC united wins out (beats Orlando twice, Columbus, TFC, NYCFC) - 49 points
New York Red Bulls win 1 of 4 (lose to Montreal, lose to Union twice, beat Columbus) 48 points
New England wins out (beats SKC, Columbus, Chicago, Montreal) - 48 points

TFC loses all 5 - finishes 7th with 47 points.

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 10:26 AM
this is what im talking about

made watching on TV brutal, can only imagine in person
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csq7eqRXYAILi-3.jpg:small


I don't get it, the highlights on MLS live looked prettygood, was there a completely different feed?

jabbronies
09-19-2016, 10:27 AM
hate to poop on a player, but anyone else think Endoh needs to see tfc2 or be left available for the draft?

Endoh and Delgado could use a stint down at TFC2
I think they both need to get a better grasp on certain aspects of the game. They do too much at times. Call it young energy, call it inexperience - whatever it is, they both need to CTFO and think through situations.

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 10:35 AM
I don't get it, the highlights on MLS live looked prettygood, was there a completely different feed?

mine was the FOX feed, obviously on mute so I wouldn't kill myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yOh_CFuyOQ

38 seconds into the highlights

you see the white shirts in the sun, anything white was pretty much a blur

Red4ever
09-19-2016, 10:40 AM
Hate to harp on this, but it's driving me crazy. This is in theory possible I believe. Not likely, but clinching means mathematically impossible that someone can catch us.

NYCFC wins 3 of 4 (beats Chi, Hous, Columbus, loses to DC United) - 54 points
Phil wins out (beats TFC, Red Bulls twice, Orlando)- 53 points
Montreal wins 4 of 5 (beats Red Bulls, San Jose, Orlando, TFC, loses to NE) - 50 points
DC united wins out (beats Orlando twice, Columbus, TFC, NYCFC) - 49 points
New York Red Bulls win 1 of 4 (lose to Montreal, lose to Union twice, beat Columbus) 48 points
New England wins out (beats SKC, Columbus, Chicago, Montreal) - 48 points

TFC loses all 5 - finishes 7th with 47 points.

Stats nerds seem to agree. http://www.playoffstatus.com/mls/easternstandings.html

Stress
09-19-2016, 10:52 AM
hate to poop on a player, but anyone else think Endoh needs to see tfc2 or be left available for the draft?[/QUOTE]


Yeah I agree. He looked like garbage yesterday. It almost seemed like the others started to avoid him after he kept hitting terrible crosses or would lose the ball on the dribble. He's a good depth player to get from the draft but I think the early season hype has finally come back to earth.

It will be interesting to see how we line up next game. I'd guess Zav and Delgado's spots are potentially open now. Hopefully Cooper doesn't see a suspension because he's looked good so far. He still seems a little off in terms of chemistry but I'd be willing to give him more minutes at this point.

jloome
09-19-2016, 11:05 AM
MLS playoff success traditionally comes from teams who steam into the playoffs.

Not always the case. Portland, Salt Lake, Colorado and Houston are all cup winners who barely made the playoffs who come to mind. The year RSL won it, we gave them their playoff spot with our last day 5-0 Shite bulls capitulation. Portland was the last team in last year and wasn't on a run at the time. Colorado won it playing defense for two straight months but was never playing dominantly.

I get what you're saying, success momentum is good. But MLS' system of two weeks off during the playoffs tends to kill any momentum anyone had. Most of the teams who've steamed into the playoffs and been successful were also supporters shield winners or runners up.

jloome
09-19-2016, 11:07 AM
Hate to harp on this, but it's driving me crazy. This is in theory possible I believe. Not likely, but clinching means mathematically impossible that someone can catch us.

NYCFC wins 3 of 4 (beats Chi, Hous, Columbus, loses to DC United) - 54 points
Phil wins out (beats TFC, Red Bulls twice, Orlando)- 53 points
Montreal wins 4 of 5 (beats Red Bulls, San Jose, Orlando, TFC, loses to NE) - 50 points
DC united wins out (beats Orlando twice, Columbus, TFC, NYCFC) - 49 points
New York Red Bulls win 1 of 4 (lose to Montreal, lose to Union twice, beat Columbus) 48 points
New England wins out (beats SKC, Columbus, Chicago, Montreal) - 48 points

TFC loses all 5 - finishes 7th with 47 points.

DC drew on Friday night, so they're out and TFC is guaranteed, is my understanding of it.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 11:14 AM
DC drew on Friday night, so they're out and TFC is guaranteed, is my understanding of it.

They still have 5 games left. They have to win out, but they would be 2 points ahead of us if they did and we lost out.

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 11:22 AM
mine was the FOX feed, obviously on mute so I wouldn't kill myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yOh_CFuyOQ

38 seconds into the highlights

you see the white shirts in the sun, anything white was pretty much a blur

That's not so bad, stadium and crowd look good, though i agree the other side of the stadium given the time and sun position would have been better.

Red4ever
09-19-2016, 11:26 AM
They still have 5 games left. They have to win out, but they would be 2 points ahead of us if they did and we lost out.

You have pulled me into your head shaking state of denial. I can't work now. What am I missing.

#playofftruther

Canary10
09-19-2016, 11:30 AM
You have pulled me into your head shaking state of denial. I can't work now. What am I missing.

#playofftruther

Lol. I know, it's driving me crazy. I like #playofftruther. Ha ha.

MLS needs to correct the logic. If they can't, they must issue an apology for jumping the gun.

Red4ever
09-19-2016, 11:34 AM
Those sites I linked before have us 99%> , not 100%

Me right now....
http://twelvebytwelve.net/gwh-images/gwh-00079.jpg

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 11:36 AM
DCU has a game against NYCFC and thus it is not possible for us to fall below both teams.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 11:40 AM
DCU has a game against NYCFC and thus it is not possible for us to fall below both teams.

NYCFC wins 3 of 4 (beats Chi, Hous, Columbus, loses to DC United) - 54 points
DC united wins out (beats Orlando twice, Columbus, TFC, NYCFC) - 49 points

Next?

Red4ever
09-19-2016, 11:48 AM
NYCFC wins 3 of 4 (beats Chi, Hous, Columbus, loses to DC United) - 54 points
DC united wins out (beats Orlando twice, Columbus, TFC, NYCFC) - 49 points

Next?

#Jetfuelcan'tmeltsteel
#2ndgunmanonthegrassyknoll
#elvisisalive

I wanna be wrong about this by the way.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 12:25 PM
#Jetfuelcan'tmeltsteel
#2ndgunmanonthegrassyknoll
#elvisisalive

I wanna be wrong about this by the way.

My #playoffgate is pretty boring compared to those.

The odds of not making it are soooo slim. The scenarios where we don't just won't happen. In fact, I think our chances of first in the East are really, really good when I look at who everyone is playing.

flatpicker
09-19-2016, 12:31 PM
this is what im talking about

made watching on TV brutal, can only imagine in person
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csq7eqRXYAILi-3.jpg:small



I agree the gap on the West side can make viewing difficult when the sun blazes through. With regards to watching on tv... I'm surprised broadcasters haven't come up with a way to adjust the contrast or range of light and dark in the picture to help minimize the white-out effect you get in the sunlit areas of the field, or the black-out effect you get in the shady parts. Considering we live in a digital age, you'd think this is something they can manage during a live broadcast.

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 12:40 PM
LOL

You win Canary

nlsanand
09-19-2016, 12:44 PM
MLS doesn't know how to do the calcs. FC Dallas had qualified Saturday, but they only changed it this morning because I tweeted to them. Can you guys please also pressure TFC and MLS to correct the record. I've trying for a day, but I just seem like a whack job to them at this point. Everyone is circularly claiming citing someone else (who's then citing MLS). #playofftruther

Canary10
09-19-2016, 12:49 PM
LOL

You win Canary

Lol. I can't believe how much time I wasted today trying to figure this out...

Initial B
09-19-2016, 01:16 PM
I don't think MLS wants to look stupid for jumping the gun. When TFC wins next weekend it will be moot anyways. ;)

nlsanand
09-19-2016, 01:23 PM
I don't think MLS wants to look stupid for jumping the gun. When TFC wins next weekend it will be moot anyways. ;)

They did change Dallas to qualified this morning.

Pinkie
09-19-2016, 01:48 PM
All these calculations hurt my brain, but wow, how unbelievably TFC to state that we've clinched the playoffs without actually having done so.

Not that I don't think they won't. But, what if they don't?

Hamilton_Red
09-19-2016, 01:58 PM
Back to the game first home game for me since the last two league games of last year. Good result in the end but a lot of questions yet.

Biggest question is about our defence - constent all season but three very poor goals given up. The third being the most shocking of all - no organization no leadership at the back. While Bono wasnt at fault for the goals I think Irwins leadership and organization might have avoided 1 or more of those goals. He'll be back next week for the run in.

Delgado for me was the most effective passer of the ball. I was surprised he went off - Osario for me is lacking confidence shooting that it is hurting his game. Morrow had a loy of joy down the left flank and ran past the right back on several equations. Johnson had a good game he must be still less than full fitness to have been taken him off.

Bradley - well taken goal - badly needed at that point in the game. His long passing is getting increasingly frustrating..he should not be taking any freekicks. Every single one is wasted. Altidore should have taken that last one...Bradley wasted what should have been a very dangerous opportunity.

Altidore - wow what a time to show up as a real DP. If he keeps this form up with Giovinco - we have a real chance of winning this thing. I'd give Cooper a fair amount of playing time in the next few games to see if he can fit in to help in the play-offs. Endoh - totally in-effective.

Defence needs some work and analysis - 3 soft goals at home is very concerning.

Blizzard
09-19-2016, 02:01 PM
this is what im talking about

made watching on TV brutal, can only imagine in person
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csq7eqRXYAILi-3.jpg:small

hate to poop on a player, but anyone else think Endoh needs to see tfc2 or be left available for the draft?

I was at the game so only saw the highlights and yes, they were subject to the shadows of the west stand roof as is only to be expected. Outdoor sports have this problem BUT I do wonder why this isn't taken somewhat into account when the stadiums are designed. We know that many European stadium go with transparent or semi-transparent roofing panels that allow some sunlight through in order to cut down on the shadow issues.

The lack of a back on the stand/roof means that we get full sunlight, roof shadow, sunlight coming through the gap, and then the shadow of the stand itself making it very difficult to watch and even more difficult for the techs in the production truck as they try to ride the camera iris to make the shot acceptable.

As we all know from viewing, a field in half shadow is not TV friendly.

BMO Field is not the worst offender by any means as there are some other MLS stadium ie Vancouver, Salt Lake, Philadelphia (that come mind) that have very serious problems of this sort.

Richard
09-19-2016, 02:03 PM
Don't they have software to figure that stuff out? Its bush league to say we have clinched and now we have every article this morning say we have clinched. Gong show.

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 02:03 PM
...Defence needs some work and analysis - 3 soft goals at home is very concerning.

Yeah, we havn't had a dominating defensive effort since the Philly game. I'm thinking its about communication. Moor can only do so much and I don't see Bono doing all that much to be honest. Zaveletta needs to add that to his game in the next 3 years. I don't see us being unorganized like last season - just lacking in awareness.

C.Ronaldo
09-19-2016, 02:13 PM
I was at the game so only saw the highlights and yes, they were subject to the shadows of the west stand roof as is only to be expected. Outdoor sports have this problem BUT I do wonder why this isn't taken somewhat into account when the stadiums are designed. We know that many European stadium go with transparent or semi-transparent roofing panels that allow some sunlight through in order to cut down on the shadow issues.

The lack of a back on the stand/roof means that we get full sunlight, roof shadow, sunlight coming through the gap, and then the shadow of the stand itself making it very difficult to watch and even more difficult for the techs in the production truck as they try to ride the camera iris to make the shot acceptable.

As we all know from viewing, a field in half shadow is not TV friendly.

BMO Field is not the worst offender by any means as there are some other MLS stadium ie Vancouver, Salt Lake, Philadelphia (that come mind) that have very serious problems of this sort.

well, if I wasn't a TFC fan, i probably would have turned off the TV. you really couldn't follow the ball once it went into the sunny parts of the pitch during the first half. you could tell the players were pretty much blind on free kicks going North

There's cheap software that shows you exactly where the sun will be and how it will affect your architecture. Things like this shouldn't have been missed.

Or avoid certain times of the day. What was up with the Sunday 5pm start?

mistercorporate
09-19-2016, 02:33 PM
well, if I wasn't a TFC fan, i probably would have turned off the TV. you really couldn't follow the ball once it went into the sunny parts of the pitch during the first half. you could tell the players were pretty much blind on free kicks going North

There's cheap software that shows you exactly where the sun will be and how it will affect your architecture. Things like this shouldn't have been missed.

Or avoid certain times of the day. What was up with the Sunday 5pm start?

Which is why they usually play at 7pm. They made an exception for a Sunday game since FOX broadcast it nationally before their NFL game, they had around 1 million viewers for our game stateside because of this.

Canary10
09-19-2016, 02:34 PM
We have another one at the same time Saturday.

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 02:39 PM
I'm trying to understand why this wasn't a problem with our numerous 5 o clock or so games in the past.

Or was it and we just didn't notice until the canopy over the West?

OgtheDim
09-19-2016, 02:45 PM
MLS doesn't know how to do the calcs. FC Dallas had qualified Saturday, but they only changed it this morning because I tweeted to them. Can you guys please also pressure TFC and MLS to correct the record. I've trying for a day, but I just seem like a whack job to them at this point. Everyone is circularly claiming citing someone else (who's then citing MLS). #playofftruther

If you or somebody else did this graphic that was tweeted to Dan Riccio and then I copied and pasted in response to Andrew Weibe and Twellman........you win. Seems this one got the leagues attention.


http://i.imgur.com/VksyumD.jpg

Canary10
09-19-2016, 02:50 PM
If you or somebody else did this graphic that was tweeted to Dan Riccio and then I copied and pasted in response to Andrew Weibe and Twellman........you win. Seems this one got the leagues attention.


http://i.imgur.com/VksyumD.jpg

Ha ha, that was the one I posted here. I posted it at MLSsoccer.com as well. Funny.

hulkrogan
09-19-2016, 03:03 PM
I like Daniel Lovitz.

Now that he's not forced to start, he does really well coming off the bench. Good energy/pace. Can go wide on guys, but also has some moves to pull it to the inside and mix things up (aka the anti-Endo). Good defensive workrate. The kind of depth you need.