Match Day 22 - I Might Just Follow You - RSL @ TFC Wednesday August 3rd 7pm

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPGxVYsSMwY


Utah returns to Toronto. RSL on a high after a win over Philly.


Early start at 7pm


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Have at it People

[Richard]

I really thought Vanney should have subbed Giovinco off at around 60-70 minutes.

I think its likely now we see Rickets somewhere in the midfield or fullback for the majority of the game, our fitness is going to be put to the test.

Training at higher altitude is going to put RSL at an advantage in these conditions. This one might end up being a tie, we really need to be compact for this game.

[KurtLarSUN]

I really thought Vanney should have subbed Giovinco off at around 60-70 minutes.

I think its likely now we see Rickets somewhere in the midfield or fullback for the majority of the game, our fitness is going to be put to the test.

Training at higher altitude is going to put RSL at an advantage in these conditions. This one might end up being a tie, we really need to be compact for this game.

The idea is getting Giovinco-Altidore comfortable playing together. Bringing Giovinco off wouldn't have helped that.

[ronzilla]

Giovinco was holding up 3 fingers and shouting at Vanney " WTF? 3 minutes left and your keeping me on?"

There was no need to keep him on the entire 93 minutes since the game was already in the bag and he was not chasing a hat-trick. Should have been subbed off
afetr 80 minutes.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Salt Lake didn't look unbeatable vs Philly yesterday. They gave them a lot of room with Philly getting time in the box late in the match. Good stuff.

[DinamoTFC]

Giovinco was holding up 3 fingers and shouting at Vanney " WTF? 3 minutes left and your keeping me on?"

There was no need to keep him on the entire 93 minutes since the game was already in the bag and he was not chasing a hat-trick. Should have been subbed off
afetr 80 minutes.

I don't understand this. If the coach wants you to play the whole game you play the whole game.

[OgtheDim]

A couple of things

a) Ricketts maybe on the right of midfield but not as a full back as we have lots of choices for both sides there right now.

b) Since when does Giovinco want to come off? I didn't watch him after the Altidore goal but Williams for Endoh was always going to be the sub - he had been prepping for 2 minutes before the goal. The pressure from CBus was from crosses into their big forwards.


EDIT

OK went back and watched it on MLS Live - 91:30 Zaveletta kicks the ball out instead of passing it to somebody. Seba looks at Zaveletta and points using 3 fingers. He also went on to talk to Zaveletta after the whistle.

[Hugh Jazz]

Giovinco was holding up 3 fingers and shouting at Vanney " WTF? 3 minutes left and your keeping me on?"

I thought this was aimed at the player who booted it out under little pressure (Bono?) as in "we're up by 3 why so conservative?". Could be wrong though.

[Hugh Jazz]

Any combination of Bloom, Ricketts, Altidore and Williams could replace starters from last game to rotate tired bodies.

[OgtheDim]

Looks like we roll on with the kids until at least Saturday

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/760489692701855744

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/760489094677983232

[GhostKiller]

http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-StartingXI-080316.png

[Graeme]

Great line up. Maybe Bradley as a late sub?

[Yohan]

RSL has been having a bit of meh stretch over last 6 weeks. They have a lot of exciting players but just haven't been able to put it together. Still pretty much being held together by old geezers Dirty Hippie, Rimando and Javier Morales. And a dangerous front 3 of wee man Plata, Movsisyan and Burrito Martinez. Watch for Martinez. He's got moves like Giovinco that'll land a defender on his ass.

[Joe Kool]

Anyone know if Cheyrou will still be out for this one? Not sure if they ever said how bad his injury was.

[Yohan]

Anyone know if Cheyrou will still be out for this one? Not sure if they ever said how bad his injury was.http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/tfc-toronto-fc-mls-major-league-soccer-real-salt-lake-benoit-cheyrou-michael-bradley/

[Ivy]

RSL with a pretty poopy road record... Would love to see another W for the Reds.

[OgtheDim]

Game Day :scarf: Weather will be almost perfect

Yura Movsisyan is questionable with an injury.


BTW, RSL's away record is tied for second best in the league.

[Red CB Toronto]

I hope the Reds are up for it with such a quick turn around. It could be a dangerous one if they are not. Hopefully its not a trap game.

[Canary10]

I'm worried about TFC's record of having ex-players bite us in the ass. There is a certain ex-player on RSL. Although, to be honest, I still like that guy.

[Abou Sky]

I'm worried about TFC's record of having ex-players bite us in the ass. There is a certain ex-player on RSL. Although, to be honest, I still like that guy.
As long as we win, I would be happy for Plata to score. :)

I am more worried about the fact that the combined age of our midfield is barely breaking 80.

[CowTipper]

As long as we win, I would be happy for Plata to score. :)

I am more worried about the fact that the combined age of our midfield is barely breaking 80.

Let's hope Aaron Maund doesn't have a break-out game

[Fort York Redcoat]

Let's hope Aaron Maund doesn't have a break-out game

Not sure if serious but it's happened twice this year. He's having the the season of his life.

That said I hope he shits the bed today. :)

[Derko]

Giovinco was holding up 3 fingers and shouting at Vanney " WTF? 3 minutes left and your keeping me on?"

There was no need to keep him on the entire 93 minutes since the game was already in the bag and he was not chasing a hat-trick. Should have been subbed off
afetr 80 minutes.

Ron you amaze me at how you know what is being said on the field, you are either psychic or have outstanding hearing, you do make my day, keep it up,lol

[Derko]

As long as we win, I would be happy for Plata to score. :)

I am more worried about the fact that the combined age of our midfield is barely breaking 80.

Surely you jest! Be happy he scores against anyone BUT TFC. Some folks kids are sniffing glue again

[Richard]

Surely you jest! Be happy he scores against anyone BUT TFC. Some folks kids are sniffing glue again

He can score as much as he likes so long as we win! g:D

[strictlye]

I want to see Ricketts play again. During his first game he definitely made a difference coming off the bench, he seems to be a scoring threat so he can take some of the focus off Giovinco. I don't mind Hamilton but most of the time he seems non existent on the field.

[ag futbol]

BobbyBrizzo ‏@BobbyBrizzo
Almost unbelievable but Vanney with a chance to Tie a #TFCLive team record tonight with a 3rd consecutive win. #TFC

The things you read at times. Goes to show how up-and-down things are in MLS. Stories about feast to famine and vice versa every season. You have to work hard to be great but also to be Chivas / Chicago / early TFC years bad.

[michaeltfc91]

BobbyBrizzo ‏@BobbyBrizzo
Almost unbelievable but Vanney with a chance to Tie a #TFCLive team record tonight with a 3rd consecutive win. #TFC

The things you read at times. Goes to show how up-and-down things are in MLS. Stories about feast to famine and vice versa every season. You have to work hard to be great but also to be Chivas / Chicago / early TFC years bad.

Vanney won 4 straight matches towards the end of last season. Sept / Oct 2015. Colorado, Chicago, Phili, NYYB (all at home)
That is our record of consecutive wins

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/760958614622212097

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/760958945745784832

[sn0re]

Ricketts still not up to match fitness?

[Richard]

Ricketts still not up to match fitness?

Head scratcher. The guys has been training with TFC for months so he should be further along than pre-season form, how else is he going to get match fit, we should see him subbed in at some point, but I was surprised we didn't see him last game.

[ManUtd4ever]

Nice to see all the younglings in the lineup.

[Richard]

Some of those first touches. :ack2:

[bones]

oh thank GOD Vic Rauter is on the sidelines and NOT calling the game.

[Inklink]

Giovinco needs to pass that
And stop pouting and pissing at his teammates.

[notthesun]

Good lord is this ugly.

[Richard]

Giovinco seems really pissed.

[Kaz]

The team looks about to implode

they had to know this wasn't gong to be as easy as the crew.

This is is what 20 year olds look like against MLS quality

[Nerepis]

Big save there

[ag futbol]

Few guys in the midfield are having a shockingly bad half. Endoh in particular.

[Richard]

I swear if we don't see Altidore and Ricketts at half.

[General Woolfe]

Giovinco seems really pissed.

Who was he going nuts at?

I'm not sure bullying younger players like that is productive...

[Alonso]

Plata is not going to miss too many of those sitters.

[Inklink]

Good looks

[Kaz]

Seba doesn't face palm he face pitches... That looked like a comedy scene

[Richard]

Lucky not to get booked there, still think that should be a card even if the whistles goes.

[Richard]

Lol at that Osorio interview.

[Hugh Jazz]

Phillips looked really close to keeping him onside there.

[notthesun]

Pretty sure Giovinco was onside on that play where he got fouled.

I'd love to see Altidore come in, we're missing a spark up top. Too bad Cheyrou is out because this game is screaming for him.

[ag futbol]

Frustrating half. Endoh really disappointing. Way too negative, lots of inefficient play. Not seeing the obvious passes into space.

Let's see what Ricketts can offer.

[Hugh Jazz]

Everyone take a breather. LOL!

[General Woolfe]

I swear if we don't see Altidore and Ricketts at half.

Im not sure why Vanney didnt start them? I know its good to be loyal to the younger players who have done the job in recent weeks, but still, you should always play your best 11. Altidore in particular would give us an option to Seba. Hamilton is too static and doesnt have the same movement

[Richard]

Im not sure why Vanney didnt start them? I know its good to be loyal to the younger players who have done the job in recent weeks, but still, you should always play your best 11. Altidore in particular would give us an option to Seba. Hamilton is too static and doesnt have the same movement

Its not even about being loyal to the younger players. Altidore and Ricketts are both fresh and this is a game where you have players on 3 days rest, they should have been put in for at least 60 min each to give the other guys a rest.

[Inklink]

Why does Morrow get the best chances lol

[notthesun]

Boy oh boy is Endoh looking like a rookie today

[Inklink]

no penalty?

x2, handball

[ag futbol]

Allan Kelly is really overplaying this "I don't use my whistle" thing.

[bones]

^ yup... best ref in the MLS folks

[ag futbol]

WTF is with subbing chapman? Not that he's had a great game but my god vanney, are you not seeing your right midfielder stinking up the place?

[Inklink]

This clap thing is pretty cool, whatever it is.

[bones]

boom!!!!

[Inklink]

Rickkkkketttsssss

[Richard]

Now that's the finishing we needed.

[Yohan]

When in doubt, just punt and see what happens? I'll take it. lol

[ag futbol]

Nice! Hard to argue with speed. They just couldn't handle that pace.

[Richard]

Nice to also see Altidore playing the classic target man there.

[Kaz]

Happy..now worried that we are going to screw up playing Vanney Ball...we need to keep pressing

[Bobo]

Nice to also see Altidore playing the classic target man there.

That's two consecutive goals that were a direct result of Jozy laying off long balls brilliantly.

[Richard]

Good save by Bono.

[ag futbol]

What the hell was Moor thinking with that clearance. I would yell at a u12 defender for doing something that stupid.

[bones]

I know we've put the stretch limo of bus' on our back line but I'm still not a fan of parking that bus.

[Kaz]

And now we are trying to lose points. Just absorbing pressure and not keeping possession or going after the extra goal.

[shwade]

I feel like Marky D has improved tons in the last year and even Chapman a bit but Oso has remained frustratingly stagnant.

[Yohan]

seriously. that's 3 great chances for Morrow. how the heck does a FB get so many good chances to score lol

[Richard]

Alright Morrow needs to do some shooting practice with the strikers haha, this guys really knows how to get in the right spots for a shot.

[bones]

Sweet win. Not easy but excellent.

[ag futbol]

I'll take it. Consider us lucky though. Didn't think the players played well or coach made the right adjustments.

[Detroit_TFC]

yeah buddy 3pts

[jloome]

Sweet win. Not easy but excellent.

Good finish by Ricketts, couple of exceptional saves by Bono... Three straight, and a good run of home games in the second half of the season.

Dare to dream, boys.

[Hugh Jazz]

RSL wasn't too good either. Beckerman was bad on the ball in the second half. One thing we did well was keeping a lid on Plata.

[Detroit_TFC]

That 2nd half foot clearance by Bono, that should be up for save of the week.

[notthesun]

Clean sheet on short rest, using a midfield full of kids, and a game-winning goal engineered by two subs that was neither scored nor assisted by Giovinco. Please insert your Vanney praise below in an orderly fashion.

[ManUtd4ever]

We got dominated in the midfield in the first half, which is understandable considering the disparity in experience and talent between both sides. However, I thought we came out strong in the second half and dictated the play for the rest of the match. The substitutions were well timed and were the key to victory. Ricketts has been a pleasant surprise.

Bono is starting to show why he was a highly touted NCAA prospect. He was stellar tonight and fully deserving of his third clean sheet this season.

[Ultra & Proud]

This kind of sensible talk isn't welcome round these parts.

[anto7]

Clean sheet on short rest, using a midfield full of kids, and a game-winning goal engineered by two subs that was neither scored nor assisted by Giovinco. Please insert your Vanney praise below in an orderly fashion.

Well said. But don't expect much credit for Vanney or anyone else around here judging by some of the previous comments.
We didn't play the best of games but we won when it mattered against a tough opponent, that should be enough to take some satisfaction. 9pts out of the first 3 homes games, what more do some of you want....seriously. Just enjoy it for a moment everyone and stop always being so negative.

[paul-collins]

Man, dunno what game you guys were watching. Live, TFC were full value for the win.

Osorio needs more confidence going forward. Last 20 minutes the defensive effort could be better. But possession was good, anticipation was good (interceptions especially).

Tosaint fucking Ricketts.

That is all.

[Yohan]

TFC won a game keeping a clean sheet when Giovinco had a horrid game. Ugly game in many parts, but I'll take it, considering TFC would have lost this game last season.

[OgtheDim]

The ref was a shit
The young midfield made a lot of mental mistakes.
Bono played well.
My section was full of annoying tourists.
I can't believe I have to work tomorrow.
Seba had a poor game.

BUT

Ricketts and Altidore and Seba are the best front 3 in the league.

And we won.

Roll on Saturday.

[Ultra & Proud]

It's very early but maybe my Ricketts bashing was off base. Maybe this league is his speed.

[ronzilla]

And people here were writing off Ricketts before he even played a full game :facepalm:.

[Joe Kool]

Not the best game but we grinded out a win which might not have happened in other years. Happy going home with the victory. Hope the team is passing better in the final third on Saturday. We could have had a few more early if passing was sharper. We let RSL get into the game a bit at times. Would be awesome to finish the home stand with another win against the Revs.

[Ultra & Proud]

And people here were writing off Ricketts before he even played a full game :facepalm:.

It's not like he was an unknown when he got here though. Seen him quite a lot over the years.

[ag futbol]

It's very early but maybe my Ricketts bashing was off base. Maybe this league is his speed.
Yep. I mean he dribbled over the touch line but he also scored a goal. Heck if he puts them away he can bumble around all he wants.

I thought the league had legitimately moved past an outright speedster with minimal other attributes but glad to be wrong if he keeps it up.

[ronzilla]

Clean sheet on short rest, using a midfield full of kids, and a game-winning goal engineered by two subs that was neither scored nor assisted by Giovinco. Please insert your Vanney praise below in an orderly fashion.

Uhh Giovinco got the assist on ricketts goal.

[ManUtd4ever]

Yep. I mean he dribbled over the touch line but he also scored a goal. Heck if he puts them away he can bumble around all he wants.

I thought the league had legitimately moved past an outright speedster with minimal other attributes but glad to be wrong if he keeps it up.

I think he has the attributes to make an impact at this level as a late game sub taking on tired defenders.

[SirBobSaget]

Uhh Giovinco got the assist on ricketts goal.

Altidore assisted

[ronzilla]

Altidore assisted


They both did, but last touch was from Seba.

[anto7]

Altidore assisted

That's what I thought, and he did, however if you watch the reply Altidore flicks the long ball from Bono with his head and then Giovinco flicks it with his head too. Although it's really hard to tell if he actually makes contact or not

[notthesun]

Uhh Giovinco got the assist on ricketts goal.

Oh, my mistake. We can return to giving Vanney no credit then.

[CBTFC]

Oh, my mistake. We can return to giving Vanney no credit then.

LOL. well played.

This board does crack me up.

[Kaz]

Minus one minor mis-step. Bono had a great game. We won that totally because of him.. he came up big on a few saves. That game was won on Luck and Bono. I'll take it though.

[Lennon]

Fortunate win, but it makes up for the points we were unlucky to drop in Portland and Orlando.

Still not sold on Ricketts ..

Bono with some good saves today. Still looking very Knopka-y coming off his line though.

[Hamilton_Red]

Tip of the hat to Vanney...very happy with Chapman's progression, Delgado has done well, Morrow has improved a lot, Bono might have a better goals against record than Irwin? Hamilton coming along well - though doubt he will start many more games when Alti is fit. Areas of concern?....Endoh and Osario.

[Hamilton_Red]

And what a goal by Rickets...that is some serious speed the man has got. Every coach will want that in the arsenal..sometimes you have to defend and counter attack - that fits. Thought it was a very professional performance by TFC..they have developed some nice confidence with the injuries. Bodes very well.

[Loyal]

Delgado may be our captain one day!

After "Selfish Seba" failed to see a wide open teammate on what was basically a 2 on 0 against the goalkeeper - Delgado tore a strip off him

Not only has it happened repeatedly this season but I think the players are getting a bit tired of his arm flailing act every time something doesn't go his way

[Abou Sky]

Surely you jest! Be happy he scores against anyone BUT TFC. Some folks kids are sniffing glue again

Mofo!

I was kicking myself for this many times...

[Kaz]

I may have counted wrong but I believe we have our highest point total over 22 games in our history.

[Abou Sky]

Fortunate win, but it makes up for the points we were unlucky to drop in Portland and Orlando.

Still not sold on Ricketts ..

Bono with some good saves today. Still looking very Knopka-y coming off his line though.

Disagree about Bono, he seemed confident and made the right decisions. If he keeps this up, Irwin may have to fight for his spot back.

IIRC, people touted him as a big up and coming US international keeper and the US has quite a lot of talent in net.

For the first time, player's stock goes up while playing with TFC!

[CBTFC]

3 wins in 3 home games. 8 goals for and 1 against. Sitting 2nd in the Eastern conference. Starting 11 players still due to return from injury, which means youth gaining valuable minutes/experience.

It's really tough to find a down side when you crunch the numbers.

Really fun and enjoyable in TFC land right now :)

[ronzilla]

Delgado may be our captain one day!

After "Selfish Seba" failed to see a wide open teammate on what was basically a 2 on 0 against the goalkeeper - Delgado tore a strip off him

Not only has it happened repeatedly this season but I think the players are getting a bit tired of his arm flailing act every time something doesn't go his way

http://i.imgur.com/50OIIeT.jpg

[ensco]

Bono did have two big saves, but was very shaky a couple of times, especially on an RSL cross in the first half that he misplayed, and very nearly went in.

Bono's kicks are long and accurate, his distribution is excellent. The goal doesn't happen without his perfect long kick. Same goes for Jozy's touch/flick on, or Ricketts clinical touch. That was a sweet goal all around.

We were a bit lucky, RSL missed 3 or 4 sitters (two were from Plata) ....but we also didn't get the calls from the ref. Luck was a net minor factor.

Over the three games, a great bounce back from the SJ debacle. I give Vanney points for not allowing that game to wreck the season.

[ag futbol]

Disagree about Bono, he seemed confident and made the right decisions. If he keeps this up, Irwin may have to fight for his spot back.

Let's not go crazy. He did really well tonight but it's Irwin's job every day of the week. OP not wrong about a few shakey moments coming out and not getting there. He didn't get punished but that's the type of error you don't see from Irwin in a given outing.

[DinamoTFC]

What a game. What a battle. Wasn't pretty but rsl is a strong team. Love the effort. Proud of the boys. Happy for ricketts. Was hoping to see him today.

Also big congrats to the kids. They are playing great. Sure they are making some sloppy mistakes here and here but you can see the confidence growinG. And they've helped push us to second place too. Wooohoo!

[AlanO]

My first game at BMO in two years. Some very amateur and unprofessional thoughts:

- Endoh is entertaining to watch. Makes a lot of mistakes but he's very unpredictable.
- Ricketts took his goal well but every other touch on the ball was dreadful. The Canadian Oduro.
- Delgado is a natural leader on the field. Love his attitude.
- Giovinco was incredibly pissed off right from the start. Tore a strip off the referee crew after the final whistle too. Altidore had to pull him away.
- Midfield quartet is very young but played with a lot of confidence. Glad they're making the most of their minutes while Bradley / Cheyrou / Johnson are out. Chapman has a bright future.
- Don't think Osorio deserves a lot of the flak he gets. If anything it seems like he's trying to do too much.
- Pretty sure I could beat Beitashour in a foot race. Solid player but man is he slow.

[ensco]

Giovinco was incredibly pissed off right from the start. Tore a strip off the referee crew after the final whistle too. Altidore had to pull him away.


This has been building and feels like it is going to blow.

He is not getting good enough service, and it is making him seriously crazy. I don't care how much money he makes, he's a craftsman unable to use his skills properly, it's a recipe for trouble.

[Richard]

And what a goal by Rickets...that is some serious speed the man has got. Every coach will want that in the arsenal..sometimes you have to defend and counter attack - that fits. Thought it was a very professional performance by TFC..they have developed some nice confidence with the injuries. Bodes very well.

Yeah Rickets just blew by the defender and what a strike!

[T-boy]

A win is a win, luck has nothing to do with it.

The performance of the young kids these last 3 games has been pretty amazing. Bono, Chapman, Delgado, Endoh and Osorio have their faults, but none of them hide on the field. They get stuck in and are all improving every game.

Chapman is annoying sometimes as some of his passes don't "quite" come off - but you see what he's trying to do. Soon he will have a game where all his passes will come off and he will look fantastic - its bound to happen. Let's not bash the guy too much as he needs games and confidence to improve.

If anybody told me that this midfield would get these last 3 results after Bradley, Johnson, and now Cheyrou got injured I would think they are mad. Credit to the kids and also credit to Vanney for getting 9 points in 3 games out of a midfield with the average age of 22.

[Lennon]

If anybody told me that this midfield would get these last 3 results after Bradley, Johnson, and now Cheyrou got injured I would think they are mad. Credit to the kids and also credit to Vanney for getting 9 points in 3 games out of a midfield with the average age of 22.

Agreed. It's really amazing how well we've done with the kids. Three wins on the trot with players that were either playing USL or College ball last year. Sure, DC and Columbus are pretty shit, but still, those teams are full of MLS vets. We dominated both and held our own vs. RSL. Very impressive.

[Oldtimer]

Endoh was terrible the first half but much better in the second. He was positioning and playing differently. Could coaching have made a difference?

[TFC1154ever]

I think he has the attributes to make an impact at this level as a late game sub taking on tired defenders.

Bingo. Everyone thinks he should start. I think he has been so effective is because he is running at tired defenders. He has incredible speed and with his fresh legs and against a tired back line causes problems. Keep bringing him off the bench!!! Altidore should start Saturday though. Hopefully Cheyrou is fit to start and Bradley can make the bench. That first half was screaming Cheyrou. Bono's 2 big saves won us the 3 points. For me, takes him off the hook for one of those 2 blunders from Portland and Orlando. Irwin starts still when he comes back from injury

[Abou Sky]

Let's not go crazy. He did really well tonight but it's Irwin's job every day of the week. OP not wrong about a few shakey moments coming out and not getting there. He didn't get punished but that's the type of error you don't see from Irwin in a given outing.

Today it's Irwin's, but in three weeks? If Bono keeps improving game by game he is going to be a beast.

[Derko]

Tip of the hat to Vanney...very happy with Chapman's progression, Delgado has done well, Morrow has improved a lot, Bono might have a better goals against record than Irwin? Hamilton coming along well - though doubt he will start many more games when Alti is fit. Areas of concern?....Endoh and Osario.

Endoh I think tries to dribble through the player (Just being a rookie), Osorio has lost his confidence on the ball and seems to be a step behind.

[OgtheDim]

Endoh can beat players on the dribble - his work rate is appreciated but yeah his passing can be off. Osorio tries to dribble through but doesn't succeed as much - Delgado can't.

There was a lot of bad decisions made by the young midfield in the first half. We really need the vets to get back to settle things down.

I'm coming to terms with Giovinco not being happy with bad calls and that's just how he is. As for him tearing strips off of players, I still think I'd rather see him do that and players get better with their anticipating and passing. Yes, he's not getting the service he would like - what he would like is the perfect ball every time. And his anger is forcing these young guys to get better. When he scores, he's a happy man. He gets on well with his teammates. I want my MVP to be a freaking perfectionist.

The best 3 players ever in MLS to my mind are Henry, Villa and Giovinco - all are or were very hard on their teammates on the pitch demanding of them what they demand of themselves. All are, reportedly, very good with teammates off the pitch.


How the ref didn't call that foul in the second half where the RSL guy pulled Endoh's shirt and then his whole body back from the ball I do not know. That was a pen and a card. And the assistant on the West side was atrocious.

[OgtheDim]

Osorio was ticked at half time yesterday

https://twitter.com/talkingbaws/status/761129053780897792

[Fort York Redcoat]

Ricketts still not up to match fitness?


Head scratcher. The guys has been training with TFC for months so he should be further along than pre-season form, how else is he going to get match fit, we should see him subbed in at some point, but I was surprised we didn't see him last game.


And people here were writing off Ricketts before he even played a full game :facepalm:.

Paging reggie

:D

[Parkdale]

yep... that was a friggin' good night down at BMO

[MightyDM]

Osorio was ticked at half time yesterday

https://twitter.com/talkingbaws/status/761129053780897792

he was ticked all game. In the second half, he was yelling at Delgado, then later ( once Hagglund came on and we were playing five at the back) at Moor and then at Altidore. It seemed like it was all about positioning. Anyone else see this? It was hard to figure out what the positioning was, both after they brought Altidore and Ricketts on, and especially Hagglund. At times they were in a 5-2-3 formation. Then at times Jozy dropped back and at times Ricketts did. Oso was really giving it to Delgado, Moor and Altidore, really curious as to why.

as for the game, great result, midfield struggled but that's RSL's strength. Endoh really struggling, the other three were much better after the half. Bono had brilliant saves but did look very shaky early on coming off his line, almost cost the goal. He needs lost of work on deciding when to come out, but looking good as a shot stopper, class saves.

[C.Ronaldo]

Endoh can beat players on the dribble - his work rate is appreciated but yeah his passing can be off. Osorio tries to dribble through but doesn't succeed as much - Delgado can't.

There was a lot of bad decisions made by the young midfield in the first half. We really need the vets to get back to settle things down.

I'm coming to terms with Giovinco not being happy with bad calls and that's just how he is. As for him tearing strips off of players, I still think I'd rather see him do that and players get better with their anticipating and passing. Yes, he's not getting the service he would like - what he would like is the perfect ball every time. And his anger is forcing these young guys to get better. When he scores, he's a happy man. He gets on well with his teammates. I want my MVP to be a freaking perfectionist.

The best 3 players ever in MLS to my mind are Henry, Villa and Giovinco - all are or were very hard on their teammates on the pitch demanding of them what they demand of themselves. All are, reportedly, very good with teammates off the pitch.


How the ref didn't call that foul in the second half where the RSL guy pulled Endoh's shirt and then his whole body back from the ball I do not know. That was a pen and a card. And the assistant on the West side was atrocious.

his shirt and short were still in a wedgie position when he got up, not sure how the ref thought that happened without them being hiked

[reggie]

Paging @reggie (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/member.php?u=764)

:D i missed the goal..i was looking for any argo markings on the field.but if he scores on1 of every 3 clear breakways i will happy:)

[ag futbol]

Chapman is annoying sometimes as some of his passes don't "quite" come off - but you see what he's trying to do. Soon he will have a game where all his passes will come off and he will look fantastic - its bound to happen. Let's not bash the guy too much as he needs games and confidence to improve.

Sometimes he doesn't hit them too well but when he does I think he adds something. We need someone that tries to hit that game breaking pass (hence the search for an AM).

Ensco's comments about service to Giovinco seem to ring true, unfortunately.

[shwade]

he was ticked all game. In the second half, he was yelling at Delgado, then later ( once Hagglund came on and we were playing five at the back) at Moor and then at Altidore. It seemed like it was all about positioning. Anyone else see this? It was hard to figure out what the positioning was, both after they brought Altidore and Ricketts on, and especially Hagglund. At times they were in a 5-2-3 formation. Then at times Jozy dropped back and at times Ricketts did. Oso was really giving it to Delgado, Moor and Altidore, really curious as to why.

as for the game, great result, midfield struggled but that's RSL's strength. Endoh really struggling, the other three were much better after the half. Bono had brilliant saves but did look very shaky early on coming off his line, almost cost the goal. He needs lost of work on deciding when to come out, but looking good as a shot stopper, class saves.

Even during the goal celebration he was pissed, Marky D had to tell him to chill.

[Fort York Redcoat]

i missed the goal..i was looking for any argo markings on the field.but if he scores on1 of every 3 clear breakways i will happy:)

Well I hope you didn't find any. It was a corker.

To your future happiness!:cheers:

[ManUtd4ever]

i missed the goal..i was looking for any argo markings on the field.but if he scores on1 of every 3 clear breakways i will happy:)


Well I hope you didn't find any. It was a corker.

To your future happiness!:cheers:

Speaking of which, so far, MLSE has been true to their word. The game day experience at BMO has not changed at all since the Argos moved in. Kudos to them for investing the resources to preserve the pitch.

[reggie]

Well I hope you didn't find any. It was a corker.

To your future happiness!:cheers:
for sure jus some friendly banter...all for one:scarf:

[reggie]

Speaking of which, so far, MLSE has been true to their word. The game day experience at BMO has not changed at all since the Argos moved in. Kudos to them for investing the resources to preserve the pitch.
so far so good...and kudos to the supporters in the south end they have been outstanding this season.

[Captain]

So when did Morrow become the coach's conscience? I had seats last night right behind the visiting bench (gifted by my ticket rep). Somewhere around the 49-50 minute Hamilton made a bad pass to Endoh - it was a very obvious Hamilton mistake, Morrow runs over to the bench and yells at Vanney "get him off the field". At that point Jozy and Ricketts got called. Seemed bizarre to me to hear a player yell at the coach like that about another player and for the coach listened and make a change.

It was an interesting perspective to have these seats. I got to hear and see the interactions between the players, coaches and refs that I normally don't get to see. Man was Javier Morales pissed when he was pulled off the field. Eventually he got up and went to the change room.

Also, anyone else notice that just before Jozy goes on the field he goes to the change room for a minute or two. Is that a last minute treatment of some kind?

[mistercorporate]

so far so good...and kudos to the supporters in the south end they have been outstanding this season.

Definitely. And kudos for the hardcore fanbase for keeping MLSE honest, without the high standards and outspoken campaigning MLSE would have half-assed it. A lot of good things coming together in one season.

[Derko]

he was ticked all game. In the second half, he was yelling at Delgado, then later ( once Hagglund came on and we were playing five at the back) at Moor and then at Altidore. It seemed like it was all about positioning. Anyone else see this? It was hard to figure out what the positioning was, both after they brought Altidore and Ricketts on, and especially Hagglund. At times they were in a 5-2-3 formation. Then at times Jozy dropped back and at times Ricketts did. Oso was really giving it to Delgado, Moor and Altidore, really curious as to why.

as for the game, great result, midfield struggled but that's RSL's strength. Endoh really struggling, the other three were much better after the half. Bono had brilliant saves but did look very shaky early on coming off his line, almost cost the goal. He needs lost of work on deciding when to come out, but looking good as a shot stopper, class saves.

If anyone needs an earful it is Osorio, he is invisible most of the time, has no confidence to strike the ball, is always making short back passes (ala Carl Robinson)
He has the skills to do better, I think it is a mental thing, he needs a head adjustment, Oso feels his starter role is a given. He needs to sit for a few games.
He is for me, the most frustrating player on TFC right now.

[OgtheDim]

So when did Morrow become the coach's conscience? I had seats last night right behind the visiting bench (gifted by my ticket rep). Somewhere around the 49-50 minute Hamilton made a bad pass to Endoh - it was a very obvious Hamilton mistake, Morrow runs over to the bench and yells at Vanney "get him off the field". ..

Interesting.

The plan seemed to be Jozy around the 55 - he was over on the sidelines warming up from the 1st minute of the second half. Hamilton seems to be mentally gassed.

[Captain]

Interesting.

The plan seemed to be Jozy around the 55 - he was over on the sidelines warming up from the 1st minute of the second half. Hamilton seems to be mentally gassed.

Agree on both counts, the plan was likely for Jozy to come in around 55. Hamilton has done well but I agree he's now ready for a break. The last few games he has seemed worn out and a step behind where he needs to be.

[OgtheDim]

The view from Salt Lake (http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4191709-155/real-salt-lake-rsl-loses-on)

[burlington Red]

Vanney's faith in Bono starting to pay dividends. That game last night will have done his confidence a world of good.Couple of top quality saves. He's still relatively young for a keeper, and after a bit of an indifferent start, he is getting better with each game.

[C.Ronaldo]

Agree on both counts, the plan was likely for Jozy to come in around 55. Hamilton has done well but I agree he's now ready for a break. The last few games he has seemed worn out and a step behind where he needs to be.


that cross to seba though

[C.Ronaldo]

If anyone needs an earful it is Osorio, he is invisible most of the time, has no confidence to strike the ball, is always making short back passes (ala Carl Robinson)
He has the skills to do better, I think it is a mental thing, he needs a head adjustment, Oso feels his starter role is a given. He needs to sit for a few games.
He is for me, the most frustrating player on TFC right now.

hes the experienced one out of that young group of mids, he can sit when the rest are healthy

[C.Ronaldo]

So when did Morrow become the coach's conscience? I had seats last night right behind the visiting bench (gifted by my ticket rep). Somewhere around the 49-50 minute Hamilton made a bad pass to Endoh - it was a very obvious Hamilton mistake, Morrow runs over to the bench and yells at Vanney "get him off the field". At that point Jozy and Ricketts got called. Seemed bizarre to me to hear a player yell at the coach like that about another player and for the coach listened and make a change.

It was an interesting perspective to have these seats. I got to hear and see the interactions between the players, coaches and refs that I normally don't get to see. Man was Javier Morales pissed when he was pulled off the field. Eventually he got up and went to the change room.

Also, anyone else notice that just before Jozy goes on the field he goes to the change room for a minute or two. Is that a last minute treatment of some kind?

to take a piss, he cant pee on the field anymore

[trane]

We have won two games, and that is great, we are very good but need to be better going forward. BUT we have not kept shape well and have been generally disorganized at the back and have been lucky to have two clean sheets. We need to improve our shape and organization ( clearly the two go hand in hand). But we have worked hard so it has worked out.

[TheGoodson]

We have won two games, and that is great, we are very good but need to be better going forward. BUT we have not kept shape well and have been generally disorganized at the back and have been lucky to have two clean sheets. We need to improve our shape and organization ( clearly the two go hand in hand). But we have worked hard so it has worked out.

Agreed, but with the injuries and lack of experience of our midfield this is to be expected. if you notice the moment Cheryeou(sp?) was injured our shape and organization suffered. This bodes well when everyone is back healthy. You have Cheryeou at the bottom of the diamond, Johnson and Bradley as the outside and who ever at the point and the organization will be better

[Oldtimer]

We have won two games, and that is great, we are very good but need to be better going forward. BUT we have not kept shape well and have been generally disorganized at the back and have been lucky to have two clean sheets. We need to improve our shape and organization ( clearly the two go hand in hand). But we have worked hard so it has worked out.

The one thing that our defense is good at is blocking diagonal passes, something that our offense uses against other teams quite effectively. Shape could have been better, and they got lost at times, but they are wayyyy better than last year, and infinitely better than under Mr. Short-pants.

[ag futbol]

So when did Morrow become the coach's conscience? I had seats last night right behind the visiting bench (gifted by my ticket rep). Somewhere around the 49-50 minute Hamilton made a bad pass to Endoh - it was a very obvious Hamilton mistake, Morrow runs over to the bench and yells at Vanney "get him off the field". At that point Jozy and Ricketts got called. Seemed bizarre to me to hear a player yell at the coach like that about another player and for the coach listened and make a change.

It was an interesting perspective to have these seats. I got to hear and see the interactions between the players, coaches and refs that I normally don't get to see. Man was Javier Morales pissed when he was pulled off the field. Eventually he got up and went to the change room.

Also, anyone else notice that just before Jozy goes on the field he goes to the change room for a minute or two. Is that a last minute treatment of some kind?
That's an interesting perspective. Wondering if you had a take on some other guys last night particularly our midfield. They all seemed pissed.

[ag futbol]

If anyone needs an earful it is Osorio, he is invisible most of the time, has no confidence to strike the ball, is always making short back passes (ala Carl Robinson)
He has the skills to do better, I think it is a mental thing, he needs a head adjustment, Oso feels his starter role is a given. He needs to sit for a few games.
He is for me, the most frustrating player on TFC right now.
Not a great season for him but he was perfectly fine yesterday, at least in comparison to most of the guys around him. Delgado despite the good defensive work was passing guys into trouble, Chapman was up and down, Endoh - that was his worst game as a professional imo.

Speaking of earfuls for back passes I think our wide players need a dose of reality as to what their jobs are. The number of times Endoh faced up their fullback and then turned backwards to cycle the ball was attrocious.

Needs to be more willingness to take on the defender, more vision to see the pass into space, or at least attempt to get a ball into the box. The way he operates right now is basically a useless channel runner.

[strictlye]

Everybody played bad last night, Hamilton was pissing me off. Giovinco is starting to remind me of Ronaldo...yelling at his teammates who don't give him a perfect pass. Doesn't realize that it shatters the confidence of these young players and they play worse.

I couldn't take it anymore so I started yelling "C'mon everybody...WE WANT RICKETTS!"......"crickets chirping" and everyone just stared at me....so I said "ok fine....I want Ricketts" (no homo).

5 mins later Altidore and Ricketts came on then when Rickets scored everyone looked at me and started giving me high 5's lol

[Prof]

If anyone needs an earful it is Osorio, he is invisible most of the time, has no confidence to strike the ball, is always making short back passes (ala Carl Robinson)
He has the skills to do better, I think it is a mental thing, he needs a head adjustment, Oso feels his starter role is a given. He needs to sit for a few games.
He is for me, the most frustrating player on TFC right now.

I thought he had his best game in a TFC jersey last Sunday against Columbus.

[PopePouri]

I thought he had his best game in a TFC jersey last Sunday against Columbus.

Yeah. Him, Endoh and Delgado dominated Trapp, Tchani and Higuain.

[MightyDM]

Speaking of which, so far, MLSE has been true to their word. The game day experience at BMO has not changed at all since the Argos moved in. Kudos to them for investing the resources to preserve the pitch.

the Argos sidelines are staring to be visible, but the real test for me is when it rains in the fall. That's always been my concern, terrible field conditions post rain are why the Argos, and their fans, wanted artificial turf in the first place 30+ years ago. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself, that agronomy has I need advanced so much that a downpour just before or during a CFL game doesn't destroy the field. Uncharted territory here.

[MightyDM]

If anyone needs an earful it is Osorio, he is invisible most of the time, has no confidence to strike the ball, is always making short back passes (ala Carl Robinson)
He has the skills to do better, I think it is a mental thing, he needs a head adjustment, Oso feels his starter role is a given. He needs to sit for a few games.
He is for me, the most frustrating player on TFC right now.

I think it's the other way around. He is pressing too much, particularly near goal, because he hears the criticism.

[Ultra & Proud]

I think it's the other way around. He is pressing too much, particularly near goal, because he hears the criticism.
I agree with this but his habit of taking an extra 2-3 touches before passes or shots is massively frustrating.

[Kaz]

the Argos sidelines are staring to be visible, but the real test for me is when it rains in the fall. That's always been my concern, terrible field conditions post rain are why the Argos, and their fans, wanted artificial turf in the first place 30+ years ago. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself, that agronomy has I need advanced so much that a downpour just before or during a CFL game doesn't destroy the field. Uncharted territory here.


Starting to be? They haven't played a game recently. It would be hard for them to be more visible on Wednesday then they were on Sunday. They haven't played a game since July 25.

The side line lines have been there since then.. but that is, I think wear issue which is something then need to work on.. particularly has they play a few games this month. (12,20,31)

[Derko]

I agree with this but his habit of taking an extra 2-3 touches before passes or shots is massively frustrating.

I think that is where I am getting so frustrated with his game. As I have said he has the skills but its a mental thing, maybe a break would do him the world of good,

[Hamilton_Red]

I think Endoh's ticket is punched as a diver. He won't get the benefit of the doubt.

[MightyDM]

I agree with this but his habit of taking an extra 2-3 touches before passes or shots is massively frustrating.

That a fair criticism on shots.Dont think it is fair on passes though.

[Auzzy]

That a fair criticism on shots.Dont think it is fair on passes though.

Sorry I can't agree. There are numerous plays in every game, where Osorio receives the ball in a non-scoring position, and he kills the play through hesitation, often leaving a backward pass as the only option. He doesn't seem to be aware of his teammates' positions before receiving the ball, which is what he really should be doing. Even some of the newer players, that aren't actually as skilled as Osorio, are better at seeing the field before receiving the ball, and therefore being able to make a one touch pass, or other quick pass, before the channels are blocked or his teammates are covered.

I think there was a period in previous years where Osorio used to do more one-touch passing, used to anticipate better, and generally made more dangerous passes with less delay. Maybe he's overthinking it; or he's scared of losing possession; or scared of getting yelled at by Giovinco if he screws up.

[MightyDM]

Sorry I can't agree. There are numerous plays in every game, where Osorio receives the ball in a non-scoring position, and he kills the play through hesitation, often leaving a backward pass as the only option. He doesn't seem to be aware of his teammates' positions before receiving the ball, which is what he really should be doing. Even some of the newer players, that aren't actually as skilled as Osorio, are better at seeing the field before receiving the ball, and therefore being able to make a one touch pass, or other quick pass, before the channels are blocked or his teammates are covered.

I think there was a period in previous years where Osorio used to do more one-touch passing, used to anticipate better, and generally made more dangerous passes with less delay. Maybe he's overthinking it; or he's scared of losing possession; or scared of getting yelled at by Giovinco if he screws up.
Watch the condensed game, you will see you number of play where he moves the ball really well. I agree he is being cautious sometimes but the replay shows good play as well.

[MightyDM]

Edit: This was a reply to Captain who said he heard Morrow yell at Vanney "get him (Hamilton) off" just before Vanney subbed ricketts and Jozy.

Are you sure it wasn't Moor? He was the Captain and was in a snarly mood all game. Makes more sense than Morrow, a pretty quiet guy, talking to Vanney about subs. As Captain, he would have known the plan.