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OgtheDim
07-09-2016, 10:58 PM
Note the time 7 pm on TSN2


Have At It People

Yohan
07-09-2016, 11:51 PM
http://i.giphy.com/3o72FaAlrSLO0AUCwE.gif

Yohan
07-11-2016, 12:14 PM
Columbus is a pretty bad dumpster fire right now. Not as bad as Chicago, but something's really wrong in Columbus. Perfect time for TFC to pick up some points. Esp with Higuain is still out.

Auzzy
07-11-2016, 02:21 PM
Interesting, Giovinco already had a small tear in his shirt before he went hulk. I wonder where that was from.

Blindside16
07-12-2016, 05:47 AM
Columbus is in a downward spiral right now. They should be good for 3 points, I hope. These are the games that will make a difference later down the line when points are truly at a premium. All time against the Crew we are 5W - 12L - 9D 30GF 40GA. In the last 5 we are 1W - 2L - 2D 6GF 9GA. If we can contain O. Kamara which seems to be their only real threat right now we will do fine. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jozy make the bench for this one and perhaps see some time in the last 15.

Fort York Redcoat
07-12-2016, 07:51 AM
http://www.ejphoto.com/images_OR/OR_Trillium01.jpg

The Trillium Tussle continues in all its GLORY...

Joe Kool
07-12-2016, 10:50 AM
Ethan Finlay says that he fully expects 3 points on Wednesday because Toronto is definitely a very beatable team. We don't have a full lineup back yet but it is still going to be a better lineup than the last time we played them which is probably what he is going on I would think. I like when teams are overconfident playing us though especially even better if we can kick them while they are down to shake that confidence even further. Let's go REDS!!!

OgtheDim
07-12-2016, 10:58 AM
What other teams seem to be forgetting is our back line is basically intact. Yes, we are missing Irwin,and nobody would prefer Bono over him. But, the base of TFC's success this season comes from that back line.

I still think people in this league think TFC's defence is just going to roll over and give up leads/goals like we used to until 2016. Our goals against is 3rd best in the league - over half a season that is not a fluke.


Not saying we are going to win this game, because winning away in MLS is tough. BUT, based on what we have done so far this season, we are going to be tough to score on and will get our chances. That's all we can ask for.

I'm thinking this game will end 1-1.

Areathrasher
07-12-2016, 11:23 AM
Crew have only won 3 games all season (all at home), the fans are on players backs and want Berhalters head on a platter.

This looks like a good chance for points but I have a nagging feeling (based on nothing, just cos) that this is the game the Crew bounce back. We shall see.

GhostKiller
07-12-2016, 11:58 AM
Is Jozy going to be good to go for this game or is it too soon still?

PopePouri
07-12-2016, 12:21 PM
This looks like a good chance for points but I have a nagging feeling (based on nothing, just cos) that this is the game the Crew bounce back. We shall see.

This is my worry as well.

Ultra & Proud
07-12-2016, 12:28 PM
Is Jozy going to be good to go for this game or is it too soon still?
I would rest him. We can probably manage a point out of this with our line up from last Saturday. Maybe even win if Seba gets his mojo back.

Ruffian
07-12-2016, 12:37 PM
I would rest him. We can probably manage a point out of this with our line up from last Saturday. Maybe even win if Seba gets his mojo back.

Hopefully they can give him a 10 or 15 minute run at the end if the game is going well.

Oldtimer
07-12-2016, 12:41 PM
Crew have only won 3 games all season (all at home), the fans are on players backs and want Berhalters head on a platter.

This looks like a good chance for points but I have a nagging feeling (based on nothing, just cos) that this is the game the Crew bounce back. We shall see.

TFC has always been the team that losing clubs break their losing streaks playing against. Of course past results don't indicate future performance... but 10 years of it is quite a record.

Pint
07-12-2016, 12:48 PM
TFC has always been the team that losing clubs break their losing streaks playing against. Of course past results don't indicate future performance... but 10 years of it is quite a record.

Well we kept Chicago's 33 game win-less streak on the road in tact over the weekend.

Also probably makes some sense to bring Altidore to Clb and give him 15-20 min then send him home instead of flying him out west.

OgtheDim
07-12-2016, 02:50 PM
Seems the CBus owner has put their coach on the hot seat by saying Saturday was the low point of the season. They got two home games this week - no wins and he's out I think.

Could go either way for us this aspect - players may or may not be willing to play for him.

Ultra & Proud
07-12-2016, 03:47 PM
For once I say something goes our way. This time I say we ruin another coaches future.

I'm calling 3-1 for us with Seba getting on the board and shortly after the match Berhalter gets shown the door.

OgtheDim
07-12-2016, 03:59 PM
For those not keeping track, Higuain is out for CBus. Ola Kamara has 8 goals (same as Giovinco) in 11 games. He's has as many shots as Larin with half the minutes.

i.e. They look to him all the time.

Areathrasher
07-13-2016, 08:02 AM
From a Crew forum


Terrific. 50% chance of thunderstorms at kickoff. 60% at 8 o'clock.

Ruh-oh

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 09:14 AM
Yes but 9 oclock is 10% - as long as its not a Dallas situation.

I'm hoping the team are chartering straight from CBus to San Jose afterwards?

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 09:27 AM
Columbus is a shambles, Seba starving for a goal but seeing decent play from the youngsters, should mean a big win for TFC but I've seen this movie before. I'm afraid Bono gets found out in this game. 2-1 Columbus despite a whole bunch of scoring chances for TFC.

Ruffian
07-13-2016, 10:07 AM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/753242768927883264

What no Perquis??

Alonso
07-13-2016, 10:23 AM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/753242768927883264

What no Perquis??


Check the transfers thread or the TFC Home page...

He's been "mutually" released.

Ruffian
07-13-2016, 10:30 AM
Check the transfers thread or the TFC Home page...

He's been "mutually" released.

Should have added /s

pawlukj
07-13-2016, 11:46 AM
anybody know why Perquis doesn't get the starts anymore? also, this game is for the taking, its mid-summer now and we need to climb away from relegation and into up towards first second and third,

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 11:51 AM
They should have put Perquis in just to troll CBus but then TFC twitter would have a meltdown over unprofessionalism (this coming from mostly people tweeting while working) and soon we'd be discussing how this fits into Emerald City Supporter group chants, late 80's Man United fans and the world view of Maxi Rodriguez vis a vis the Canadian Tenors and Pokemon Go.

Carter
07-13-2016, 11:51 AM
anybody know why Perquis doesn't get the starts anymore? also, this game is for the taking, its mid-summer now and we need to climb away from relegation and into up towards first second and third,
As of yesterday, because he is no longer with the club....

Deltron
07-13-2016, 11:52 AM
anybody know why Perquis doesn't get the starts anymore? also, this game is for the taking, its mid-summer now and we need to climb away from relegation and into up towards first second and third,

Because he is no longer with the team, He was released yesterday.

CBTFC
07-13-2016, 03:41 PM
Wondering if someone can help clarify the kickoff time for me...will it be 7pm/7:10pm, or 7:30pm/7:40pm??

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 03:46 PM
All media by both teams and league says 7 pm.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 05:08 PM
And.......Seba didn't make this trip. Rested and playing in San Jose.


Time for the kids - 3-5-2

The @BacardiCanada (https://twitter.com/BacardiCanada) XI: Bono; Zavaleta, Moor, Williams; Bloom, Delgado, Cheyrou, Osorio, Morrow; Hamilton, Babouli.

Bench: Roberts, Endoh, Hagglund, Chapman, Beitashour


Short bench

notthesun
07-13-2016, 05:21 PM
Full strength Crew lineup. A draw would be a great result here.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 05:22 PM
They are missing Higuian

Red CB Toronto
07-13-2016, 05:35 PM
Man surprised the Reds did not call up some players from TFC2 for cover with such a short turn around this week.

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 05:42 PM
Woah, that TFC line up. Berhalter is going to catch all kinds of hell if Columbus doesn't get all 3 pt tonight.

But on the other hand, a win could be a huge boost for the TFC youngsters.

Ivy
07-13-2016, 05:51 PM
Could somebody put me out of my misery?

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 05:54 PM
Could somebody put me out of my misery?

Could be worse...you could support the Impact. All that over dramatic mewing - like kittens pissed off at not getting the soft pillow.


Anyways, all MLS teams go through games like this.

Prof
07-13-2016, 05:54 PM
Does anyone a live feed website??

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 05:58 PM
http://cricfree.sx/watch/live/columbus-crew-vs-toronto-fc-live-streaming

GBV
07-13-2016, 05:58 PM
All media by both teams and league says 7 pm.

Front page of mlssoccer.com has 7:30 p.m.

And then click on schedule and it says 7 p.m.

Wonderful.

KGH
07-13-2016, 06:05 PM
We're getting blanked hard here. 4-0 bad guys.

Richard
07-13-2016, 06:07 PM
Why is Bono the defacto #2? They should have put him in this game see as most people are not expecting a result anyway if it turns out bad.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 06:09 PM
Vic Rauter but Kristian Jack.

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:15 PM
Vic Rauter but Kristian Jack.

Only better pundit than KJ is Gary Neville imo.

SoccMan2
07-13-2016, 06:20 PM
Resting a star player is Seba injured? They are already depleted can they really afford to rest him?

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:21 PM
Resting a star player is Seba injured? They are already depleted can they really afford to rest him?

Vanney said Seba is healthy, he's just being rested and will start the next game.

Still Kicking
07-13-2016, 06:21 PM
Resting a star player is Seba injured? They are already depleted can they really afford to rest him?

They may have decided to rest Seba to protect the TFC shirt budget....

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:22 PM
3-5-2 hmm gunna be interesting to see Morrow on the wing

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:24 PM
They may have decided to rest Seba to protect the TFC shirt budget....

Indeed :smilewinkgrin:

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 06:28 PM
Vic Rauter, ugghhhh

Clearly whoever is producing this game for TSN is too dim to understand what people want to see on a offside replay.

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:29 PM
Pathetic crowd turnout from Columbus!

Actually pretty excited to see how the young lads do, especially the Babouli-Hamilton tandem.

QBall
07-13-2016, 06:30 PM
Lots of empty seats. Guessing scalpers don't bother scalping Crew tickets?

Yohan
07-13-2016, 06:33 PM
Lots of empty seats. Guessing scalpers don't bother scalping Crew tickets?
midweek game plus thunderstorm warning in Columbus

nonc
07-13-2016, 06:33 PM
Osorio and Delgado sucking

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 06:35 PM
Columbus look relatively harmless but we are giving up way too much space out there.

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:37 PM
Babouli has that South American flair I love it, not your typical Canadian striker. Looking forward to seeing how he develops and hopefully gets a national team call-up.

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:40 PM
Osorio and Delgado sucking

Both are what they are in my opinion. That being, borderline MLS starters.

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 06:44 PM
midweek game plus thunderstorm warning in Columbus

Going to be a close shave to get the game in before the storm. Long weather delay would make a not fun game even less fun.

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 06:47 PM
Wtf is bloom doing? Who backs off their defender by 8 yards as they push into the 18 then tries to gamble on a challenge after the guy gathers speed.

If you are not comfortably closing the gap more than that you have no business starting.

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 06:48 PM
Gotta say MLS depth players are pretty bad, would lose convincingly to a League 2 side like Pompey.

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 06:54 PM
Given the hot temp and humidity, letting Columbus do all the work isn't the worst idea. But that said, if Columbus MF could connect with their forwards, they would be firmly in control. Both sides look like they were called in to work from their day off.

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 06:57 PM
I dunno - a lot of warm weather countries will tell you consistently defending in warm weather is a losing strategy.

Let's just get to half and regroup. We look like we're playing for a 0-0 tie.

QBall
07-13-2016, 07:01 PM
68% possession for the Crew. Ouch.

Red CB Toronto
07-13-2016, 07:03 PM
Go Reds

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 07:06 PM
midweek game plus thunderstorm warning in Columbus

I think its more that team has no identity right now. Kamara gone and Higuain injured and the new Kamara not all that flamboyant.

The NorDecker is 1/3 full. If you can't draw your most rabid, you got issues.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:08 PM
Nick Dasovic looks like Bruce Arena's younger, dumber, uglier brother.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 07:14 PM
Baboulli consistently pulling out of his defensive responsibilities allowing their backline to do throughballs bypassing our midfield. Delgado not going forward when he has the ball. Osorio taking too many touches. Zaveletta and Williams making poor choices. Bono distribution is one sided - they know where its going.

On the good side, Hamilton is working hard, they moved to our right cause Morrow was stopping them on our left, Cheyrou getting past their press and Moor is Moor.

Eastend
07-13-2016, 07:19 PM
Almost switched to the Argos game.

Almost......

Red CB Toronto
07-13-2016, 07:20 PM
What's everyone having for dinner during this delay, wish TSN stayed with the boys in CBus during this delay, had a together for the Reds round table or something.

Red CB Toronto
07-13-2016, 07:22 PM
Almost switched to the Argos game.

Almost......

I did, would have actually gone to BMO tonight if it were not so gross and hot outside.

Eastend
07-13-2016, 07:27 PM
This weather is awesome. Would take this any day.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 07:31 PM
I have an eye on the NYRB Orlando game. Sloppy stuff going on. Orlando resting people before a trip to Vancouver (where have we seen that today?)

Fire SKC game is enjoying a nice thunderstorm as well.

Lennon
07-13-2016, 07:31 PM
I did, would have actually gone to BMO tonight if it were not so gross and hot outside.

Wow.

Red CB Toronto
07-13-2016, 07:36 PM
Wow.

i am a live sports junkie, nothing beats it. TV just is not the same.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:42 PM
Osorio....man oh man. :facepalm:

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:43 PM
Was thinking during that rain delay to keep the brain busy; if we got a PK with this line up who would be the best to take it? Cheyrou?

mistercorporate
07-13-2016, 07:45 PM
Im really liking how the kiddies are playing, this was an actual entertaining game even without the big guns.

nonc
07-13-2016, 07:46 PM
Osorio....man oh man. :facepalm:

Oso always screws up in the 18

ensco
07-13-2016, 07:49 PM
In what league is that not offside?

QBall
07-13-2016, 07:49 PM
Crap on a stick. Kamara was offside and interfered with Bono. Ugh!

nonc
07-13-2016, 07:50 PM
Onside because Bloom was lazy

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:50 PM
Bloom was fairly awful today anyway. Still not sold on that goal either.

Jack
07-13-2016, 07:51 PM
Crap on a stick. Kamara was offside and interfered with Bono. Ugh!
Looks like he was played onside by Mark Bloom.

Still Kicking
07-13-2016, 07:51 PM
That was Afful.

KGH
07-13-2016, 07:52 PM
All 3 subs before the 60 min mark? Has GV ever done this?

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:52 PM
The set up gets more interesting as this goes along.

ensco
07-13-2016, 07:53 PM
Looks like he was played onside by Mark Bloom.

Maybe. I guess it was close enough that you can't get upset.

Think I'll watch a movie. We are just terrible.

Richard
07-13-2016, 07:53 PM
That was Afful.

Get out!

Lol g:D

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:53 PM
All 3 subs before the 60 min mark? Has GV ever done this?
Well two were injuries and I think he's looking to save Morrow.

Jack
07-13-2016, 07:53 PM
This is painful to watch right now.

Jack
07-13-2016, 07:54 PM
Maybe. I guess it was close enough that you can't get upset.

Think I'll watch a movie. We are just terrible.
I'm about to do something similar. This hurts.

mistercorporate
07-13-2016, 07:54 PM
So much for "analytics" minimizing injuries lol

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:55 PM
This is painful to watch right now.
Just pretend it's 2008 again and it'll look okay.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 07:56 PM
That was on Bloom -injured and gassed, noticed it when the camera was on him just before the corner, he didn't come out and kept him onside.

Ugly stuff.

Kaz
07-13-2016, 07:56 PM
Maybe. I guess it was close enough that you can't get upset.

Think I'll watch a movie. We are just terrible.

The Mummy Returns is on CHCH.


Someone needs to explain to me why there have been so many injuries. What major errors are done in fitness that is causing this.

Jack
07-13-2016, 07:57 PM
Just pretend it's 2008 again and it'll look okay.
I don't know if my psyche could handle that g:D

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:57 PM
That's more like it. Nice Hamilton.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 07:58 PM
I did, would have actually gone to BMO tonight if it were not so gross and hot outside.

you would have been lonely

QBall
07-13-2016, 07:58 PM
Yeah Hamilton!

Kaz
07-13-2016, 07:58 PM
OMG they equalized.

Jack
07-13-2016, 07:58 PM
Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllll!

Glad I stuck around. Nice take by the kid.

Richard
07-13-2016, 07:58 PM
The Mummy Returns is on CHCH.


Someone needs to explain to me why there have been so many injuries. What major errors are done in fitness that is causing this.

Its not that bad when you look at it, Johnson put his body on the line on the goal he scored, Altidore is just the same old story, Bradley is getting overworked with national duty, the rest is just the usual minor stuff.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 07:58 PM
So for once we control the ball moving it forward and open them up like a tin can.

Oldtimer
07-13-2016, 07:59 PM
Yes!

Richard
07-13-2016, 07:59 PM
Serious thought here, we might not need Altidore when we got a player like Jordan Hamilton.

Kaz
07-13-2016, 07:59 PM
you would have been lonely

I hear some old people are there tonight watching some antiquated event.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 07:59 PM
I don't know if my psyche could handle that g:D
Where's your sense of nostalgia?

Ahh the good ol' days

nonc
07-13-2016, 07:59 PM
Lol Crew. Nice Jordan.

AFCB+TFC
07-13-2016, 08:00 PM
Hamilton is a beast! So clinical in front of goal so far in Amway/MLS.

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 08:00 PM
Very nice service from Chapman and lovely from Hamilton.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 08:01 PM
I hear some old people are there tonight watching some antiquated event.
Better have a lot of paramedics on hand. It's shit out there.

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:02 PM
Where's your sense of nostalgia?

Ahh the good ol' days
I'd like to keep them as the good ol' days, you know? g:D

Emphasis on the old.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:02 PM
The Mummy Returns is on CHCH.


Someone needs to explain to me why there have been so many injuries. What major errors are done in fitness that is causing this.

There was an argument that Nelsen overstrained/undertrained his players leading to injury, and Vanney had the solution with all the IT and sports bras etc. Perhaps we can conclude that it's actually something like overuse: the busy schedule plus international duty turf etc.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 08:02 PM
Liking the growth of Chapman too. He's come a long way since being called out on here for pulling out of challenges.

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:03 PM
Liking the growth of Chapman too. He's come a long way since being called out on here for pulling out of challenges.
Agreed. I guess this is what we've had to wait for is for some of our young guys to play enough (and through some growing pains) to become useful.

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:04 PM
Close one there.

Davenport
07-13-2016, 08:05 PM
Columbus is a shambles, Seba starving for a goal but seeing decent play from the youngsters, should mean a big win for TFC but I've seen this movie before. I'm afraid Bono gets found out in this game. 2-1 Columbus despite a whole bunch of scoring chances for TFC.
Seriously, and we're not a shambles ?? We look a lot worse than we did a year ago. No progress at all.

Davenport
07-13-2016, 08:06 PM
And.......Seba didn't make this trip. Rested and playing in San Jose.


Time for the kids - 3-5-2

The @BacardiCanada (https://twitter.com/BacardiCanada) XI: Bono; Zavaleta, Moor, Williams; Bloom, Delgado, Cheyrou, Osorio, Morrow; Hamilton, Babouli.

Bench: Roberts, Endoh, Hagglund, Chapman, Beitashour


Short bench

Giovinco rested for an important game ? Bless.

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:08 PM
Seriously, and we're not a shambles ?? We look a lot worse than we did a year ago. No progress at all.
I disagree on "no progress". I've seen some of our younger players start to show us a lot more, as opposed to having a bunch of vets who have no upside. Hamilton, Chapman and Zavaleta have all progressed this season and Hagglund has proven to be solid. Missing Bradley, Altidore and Giovinco tonight is always going to be tough, never mind Morrow and Irwin.

Eastend
07-13-2016, 08:08 PM
When is curling season so Vic can get back to where he should be?

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:09 PM
When is curling season so Vic can get back to where he should be?
It's painful.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:09 PM
I think we are terrible, 2012 terrible, but I can't stop watching.

bones
07-13-2016, 08:10 PM
When is curling season so Vic can get back to where he should be?

+1,000,000

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:14 PM
Babouli looks gassed

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:16 PM
Babouli needs to stop trying the slow ass dribble moves.

notthesun
07-13-2016, 08:20 PM
I love how direct Hamilton is. Get the ball, turn, shoot. It's a breath of fresh air from Altidore who always seems to look for the perfect layoff or pass.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:21 PM
Very nice hustle by Babouli there

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 08:22 PM
Nick Dasovic looks like Bruce Arena's younger, dumber, uglier brother.
It's possible to be uglier than Bruce Arena?

It's more like what if instead of being a NJ dirtbag you went to the beach and got stoned every day.

Jack
07-13-2016, 08:22 PM
Columbus diving all over the pitch. Terrible.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:22 PM
But we need to stop giving the ball away. Holy cow.

Red CB Toronto
07-13-2016, 08:23 PM
When is curling season so Vic can get back to where he should be?

I love Vic, one of the true lifers in this country, would could every forget his classic Bunburry call.

Eastend
07-13-2016, 08:25 PM
I love Vic, one of the true lifers in this country, would could every forget his classic Bunburry call.

But you also want to go to an Argos game so......lol

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 08:26 PM
Seriously, and we're not a shambles ?? We look a lot worse than we did a year ago. No progress at all.

This is mostly a TFC B squad. We've never had a squad off the bench this good.

Eastend
07-13-2016, 08:27 PM
Will take the point.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:28 PM
We were awful. Great tie, well done Vanney and Champan and Hamilton. Will take a point.

notthesun
07-13-2016, 08:29 PM
That's a great point to pick up. No complaints here at all.

Boy, what happened to Columbus this year... they're awful.

mistercorporate
07-13-2016, 08:30 PM
This is mostly a TFC B squad. We've never had a squad off the bench this good.

Exactly. Watching that last attack with Hamilton, Endoh, Chapman and Osorio all coordinating well with each other was a piece of art!

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 08:30 PM
Liking the growth of Chapman too. He's come a long way since being called out on here for pulling out of challenges.
Agreed. I could not see what they were going for in him until recently. Just shows you can't be too quick to judge the young guys. Speaking of which Hanglund was top notch.

Not a bad outing for a severely depleted roster.

the non-offside call on that goal was absolutely atrocious. What a joke that was.

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2016, 08:33 PM
Like I said above, this was largely a bench squad, so glad to get the point. I'm about done with Endoh, he needs to spend the rest of season at TFC II.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 08:33 PM
The play to get to the goal was a 14 pass sequence. Probably the longest sequence we had all game.

And we could have won that given Osorio missed two sitters.

We seem to have a bench - I'm not used to this.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 08:34 PM
Like I said above, this was largely a bench squad, so glad to get the point. I'm about done with Endoh, he needs to spend the rest of season at TFC II.

You know he had the final pass for the goal, right?

notthesun
07-13-2016, 08:36 PM
I was going to say that about Chapman too - a month ago I thought he needed to be sent back to TFC II. He's taken some strides recently, great to see. Great movement from him and Hamilton on the goal.

Watching the replay of the goal actually, what the heck was Clark doing? When the camera gets the goal in view he's still in his six yard box and over to the far side of the net... was he getting a drink or something? If he was alert he would've been off his line way earlier and could have closed Hamilton down, instead he was in no man's land and it was an easy finish. Strange.

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 08:36 PM
You know he had the final pass for the goal, right?
That was Chapman.

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 08:40 PM
Serious thought here, we might not need Altidore when we got a player like Jordan Hamilton.
At the very least it shows it's not just a matter of our target forward getting service. It's not like anyone is catering to Hamilton and he's still potting them.

I think at this point it's hamiltons spot to lose. Altidore has to play is way back in or wait for Jhams to slow down.

MightyDM
07-13-2016, 08:42 PM
There were moments in that game we were awful. Disconnected passes, lack of runs, even Bono making bizarre decisions. But there were also moments that Chapman, Hagglund, Hamilton showed their worth. An away point against last years finalist is always a good point. Particularly when it's the p*ss stains.

Lennon
07-13-2016, 08:46 PM
Seriously, and we're not a shambles ?? We look a lot worse than we did a year ago. No progress at all.


I think we are terrible, 2012 terrible, but I can't stop watching.

Are you guys serious ..

This is probably the weakest lineup we've fielded all year. Not only did we keep Columbus from generating any good chances (they scored from a flukey volley off a corner), but we also showed some great build up play out of the back in the 2nd half. We weren't doing this with our A team in 2012.

We could have got all 3 points in this one if Osorio finishes his chances. Wouldn't be surprised if we won the xG battle.

mistercorporate
07-13-2016, 08:53 PM
I had my doubts but now im a convert, Jordan Hamilton has skills. Endoh aint too bad offensively either. If we gained anything from this string of injuries, our rookies got valuable experience and blossomed before our eyes, we now have some solid young depth offensively and defensively.

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 08:53 PM
That was Chapman.

OK, just ignore me....... :(

PopePouri
07-13-2016, 08:54 PM
I think we are terrible, 2012 terrible, but I can't stop watching.

LMAO.

Super
07-13-2016, 09:04 PM
We're 6-6-6. The number of the beast!

Also, 20 goals for and 20 against.

Surely someone wants to decipher that to mean something spectacular? :D

shwade
07-13-2016, 09:10 PM
Well Hamilton is everything we wanted Altidore to be.

nonc
07-13-2016, 09:13 PM
Agreed. I could not see what they were going for in him until recently. Just shows you can't be too quick to judge the young guys. Speaking of which Hanglund was top notch.

Not a bad outing for a severely depleted roster.

the non-offside call on that goal was absolutely atrocious. What a joke that was.

He was onside via Bloom near the corner.

nonc
07-13-2016, 09:15 PM
Moor was one hell of a signing it's hard to describe how important he and Cheyrou are in this situation.

ManUtd4ever
07-13-2016, 09:21 PM
Considering the lineup, I'll take the point. If Osorio had any finish at all, we could have stolen 3 points.

mistercorporate
07-13-2016, 09:22 PM
What does Osorio do during practice, through ball drills? How about some shooting practice godammit.

ManUtd4ever
07-13-2016, 09:23 PM
Well Hamilton is everything we wanted Altidore to be.

He's been a very pleasant surprise.

anto7
07-13-2016, 09:27 PM
So.....the ESPY's are taking place in LA right now. We play in California on Sat night. Seba is nominated for an ESPY and will no doubt win it. Seba is being rested tonight......nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more lol

Slick
07-13-2016, 09:31 PM
Hamilton has been a pleasant surprise. Mo Babouli tho, not sure what he's doing on the roster.

C.Ronaldo
07-13-2016, 09:32 PM
Cheyrou set that goal up. Hes a magician out there. Osario is the weak link to often lately

currystain37
07-13-2016, 09:45 PM
Hamilton has been a pleasant surprise. Mo Babouli tho, not sure what he's doing on the roster.

I don't understand the Babouli hate on here. He isn't a good finisher, but he is a great playmaker. He was the one who played a beautiful pass to Endoh who played it to Oso on his first chance and also created a chance for Hagglund later on. The man has great technical skills which I believe are needed in a league like MLS where most teams prefer athleticism.

Hugh Jazz
07-13-2016, 09:47 PM
I wonder if Chapman will have Osorio's spot before this season is done...

cdnorman
07-13-2016, 09:48 PM
At the risk of disrupting the love-fest for Hamilton, I think one thing worth noting about his game that really requires work is his off-the-ball play. He's been very good for a young player with the ball and is growing into a potent threat, but when he doesn't have the ball he's awful. I realize there has been some comparisons to Altidore and I think they are fair in that he's also awful without the ball.

Giovinco and Babouli both chase after and pressure the defenders and keepers. Watch Hamilton and he jogs near the defender and then, when he gets close, has no idea what to do. There's no hunger for defence or a steal and that's a real concern. Just watch his approach to handling opponents and it will drive you mad. We pay attention when he has the ball and for that, we're often rewarded, but if he's going to be a valuable player down the road he's got to work on that other aspect of his game.

What I worry is that it suggests a lack of hunger. Giovinco goes after people. Babouli does too as do so many, but Hamilton jogs around and doesn't know and doesn't seem to care and that bothered me all game tonight. Even his goal didn't save him in my eyes (harsh, maybe -- but the more you watch that the worse it seems because it's an easy fix).

OgtheDim
07-13-2016, 09:58 PM
Giovinco and Babouli both chase after and pressure the defenders and keepers. .

Babouli did not do that tonight - Jack pointed it out. I saw him walk away form pressuring midfielders on a number of occasions. If anything, I saw Hamilton pressure more.

cdnorman
07-13-2016, 10:06 PM
Babouli did not do that tonight - Jack pointed it out. I saw him walk away form pressuring midfielders on a number of occasions. If anything, I saw Hamilton pressure more.

You're right about Babouli not doing that tonight. He's usually much better. But saying that Hamilton pressured more isn't saying much. Hamilton was absolutely awful on his pressure. I'd dispute whether that was much better than Babouli's. We weren't good on that part of the game at all.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 10:29 PM
I wonder if Chapman will have Osorio's spot before this season is done...
He should have it this Saturday but he'll probably take Delgado's spot if he can't go.

Ultra & Proud
07-13-2016, 10:32 PM
I don't understand the Babouli hate on here. He isn't a good finisher, but he is a great playmaker. He was the one who played a beautiful pass to Endoh who played it to Oso on his first chance and also created a chance for Hagglund later on. The man has great technical skills which I believe are needed in a league like MLS where most teams prefer athleticism.

He has good upside but he does a lot of boneheaded things (needless dribbling into defenders, making the hard play when protecting a late lead, etc). All young guy stuff. He'll learn with time.

noimpactinmtl
07-13-2016, 10:37 PM
Babouli did not do that tonight - Jack pointed it out. I saw him walk away form pressuring midfielders on a number of occasions. If anything, I saw Hamilton pressure more.

Keep in mind pressuring the keeper is Giovincos only defensive assignment. Babouli is likely instructed to come back and help on defense than to press the keeper.

ag futbol
07-13-2016, 10:40 PM
Babouli is just figuring out MLS. Game speed, league norms, etc... I wouldn't read much more into it than that.

I'm not sure why people think a target man will run around as much as a wide player. All three guys were jogging up too at times. Clearly the focus was on defensive shape and not pressing high overly. I don't see anything there unusual TBH.

PopePouri
07-13-2016, 10:45 PM
You're right about Babouli not doing that tonight. He's usually much better. But saying that Hamilton pressured more isn't saying much. Hamilton was absolutely awful on his pressure. I'd dispute whether that was much better than Babouli's. We weren't good on that part of the game at all.

I'm surprised there were no hydro breaks because today seemed to be the hottest day this year. He looked complete gassed by half time.

TFC07
07-14-2016, 12:00 AM
Impressive road point despite missing our DP's.

Ultra & Proud
07-14-2016, 12:09 AM
Amazing people complain about us being shit when we managed a point on the road with a line up that looks like we're ready to play a shitty mid season friendly against some EPL team. The way we've played with everyone out has given me more hope going forward than I can ever remember with this team. We've never had a supporting cast that could do anything good and now we have one that can at least scrap for a point. We get everyone back 100% and hopefully get a new face or two and we should look good come fall.

Hamilton_Red
07-14-2016, 12:49 AM
Impressive road point despite missing our DP's.. Last place team in the East. Not sure why we would be impressed?

Richard
07-14-2016, 01:11 AM
Cheyrou set that goal up. Hes a magician out there. Osario is the weak link to often lately

If he is willing to take a bi pay cut and still play next year I would bring him back, he is quality all around.

Richard
07-14-2016, 01:13 AM
So.....the ESPY's are taking place in LA right now. We play in California on Sat night. Seba is nominated for an ESPY and will no doubt win it. Seba is being rested tonight......nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more lol

Good catch.

Blindside16
07-14-2016, 03:14 AM
I'll take the point and run. If that was any other team in the East (Well maybe not Chicago) I don't think we get anything. I realize that we were playing our bench tonight but there were some positives tonight. Jhams is turning into a real threat. I agree with a previous comment that his work rate needs to improve a bit on the defensive side but as long as he keeps scoring I can forgive him g:D. Oso was brutal tonight, Endoh is trying too hard it's starting to cost us. I was a little disappointed with Mo and the amount of times he just slowed down and tried to be fancy rather than use his speed. Chapman had a strong game and Cheryou was his stable self. Regardless if Kamara was onside or not Bono should have read that better and dove for it. If he dives he makes the stop. All things considered though a point is a point especially on the road.

cdnorman
07-14-2016, 04:53 AM
Amazing people complain about us being shit when we managed a point on the road with a line up that looks like we're ready to play a shitty mid season friendly against some EPL team. The way we've played with everyone out has given me more hope going forward than I can ever remember with this team. We've never had a supporting cast that could do anything good and now we have one that can at least scrap for a point. We get everyone back 100% and hopefully get a new face or two and we should look good come fall.

It's easy to get down on the team. It's not been a 'pretty' season so far, but I agree with you. We are pulling points from games we didn't used to with a squad lineup that would have made us shudder (and sometimes still does). Yet, the points are taken and earned repeatedly. I'm oddly less happy, but more satisfied with this team than any other year. The (lack of) happiness comes from wins and watching our best play well and frankly we've hardly had much of it. Imagine saying earlier this year: by July you'll lose Altidore, Bradley, Johnson, Irwin and have Seba out here and there with a starting lineup that is mostly rookies or second-year players and you'd still be taking points? Someone would call you crazy.

Well, these are crazy times and I'm quite satisfied that the teams' doing a decent job with what it has. I want things to be better -- much better -- but given all the constraints that MLS places on teams and our current situation and I think we can't ask for much more (and thankfully, we will be getting more as guys return).

Derko
07-14-2016, 06:20 AM
Like I said above, this was largely a bench squad, so glad to get the point. I'm about done with Endoh, he needs to spend the rest of season at TFC II.

He tries all too often to dribble through the defenders instead of trying to around them, it is frustrating

Derko
07-14-2016, 06:32 AM
Cheyrou set that goal up. Hes a magician out there. Osorio is the weak link to often lately

I have corrected your spelling of Osorio, and yes I have noticed that as well, his only real bright spot was the 2 goals against L'impact.
Ever since Johnson tore him a new asshole, Osorio has had no confidence, Some shooting practice would be nice.

zamperina
07-14-2016, 07:16 AM
Good result on the road with our B team in a place where we haven't had much success...Osorio needs to be more clinical in front of the net. Chapman needed to start this game.

cdnorman
07-14-2016, 08:41 AM
I have corrected your spelling of Osorio, and yes I have noticed that as well, his only real bright spot was the 2 goals against L'impact.
Ever since Johnson tore him a new asshole, Osorio has had no confidence, Some shooting practice would be nice.

You're right about Oso. The other game they announced and celebrated his 100th game for the club and it really got me thinking about how he needs to step up. I've often thought about him being the 'academy grad' and young player, but he's now mature enough as a pro that either he starts performing or needs to get out of the lineup. He makes too many 'young' errors and mistakes and maybe its just he needs a confidence boost, because he was on track to do good things last year. I don't know, but he's got to improve.

Kamp Berg
07-14-2016, 08:49 AM
Frustrating game to watch but considering the lineup, 1 point is somewhat satisfying. I really can't stand to watch Delgado pass to the opposition over and over every game. I find myself counting how many times he does it per game. I lost track but I think it was 7 or 8 times last night. I don't know if there is a metric for this, but there should be. Osorio has also become hesitant again, it's like he thinks too much. I don't think shooting practice is going to cure that. He needs to get out of his head. I really like the tendency of the whole team to play smartly, but sometimes the cheekiness turns against them.

C.Ronaldo
07-14-2016, 08:49 AM
I have corrected your spelling of Osorio, and yes I have noticed that as well, his only real bright spot was the 2 goals against L'impact.
Ever since Johnson tore him a new asshole, Osorio has had no confidence, Some shooting practice would be nice.

thanks

my phone spellcheck always re corrects it that way., also TOO not TO.

Oldtimer
07-14-2016, 08:52 AM
Amazing people complain about us being shit when we managed a point on the road with a line up that looks like we're ready to play a shitty mid season friendly against some EPL team. The way we've played with everyone out has given me more hope going forward than I can ever remember with this team. We've never had a supporting cast that could do anything good and now we have one that can at least scrap for a point. We get everyone back 100% and hopefully get a new face or two and we should look good come fall.

I have to agree. I previous years a difficult time like this relying on our B squad would have turned into an 8 game losing streak, everyone panicking and gloom and doom. Instead our depth is solid, our record is a respectable .500, and when our main actors are back we can do a decent playoff push.

It's ugly soccer right now, but once we have our main squad clicking it will be beautiful again. Right now is just about survival.

C.Ronaldo
07-14-2016, 08:55 AM
At the risk of disrupting the love-fest for Hamilton, I think one thing worth noting about his game that really requires work is his off-the-ball play. He's been very good for a young player with the ball and is growing into a potent threat, but when he doesn't have the ball he's awful. I realize there has been some comparisons to Altidore and I think they are fair in that he's also awful without the ball.

Giovinco and Babouli both chase after and pressure the defenders and keepers. Watch Hamilton and he jogs near the defender and then, when he gets close, has no idea what to do. There's no hunger for defence or a steal and that's a real concern. Just watch his approach to handling opponents and it will drive you mad. We pay attention when he has the ball and for that, we're often rewarded, but if he's going to be a valuable player down the road he's got to work on that other aspect of his game.

What I worry is that it suggests a lack of hunger. Giovinco goes after people. Babouli does too as do so many, but Hamilton jogs around and doesn't know and doesn't seem to care and that bothered me all game tonight. Even his goal didn't save him in my eyes (harsh, maybe -- but the more you watch that the worse it seems because it's an easy fix).

hes pedestrian in his approach, I would like to see some fire. But i think that calm is what allows him to be a clinical finisher. He also seems to go unnoticed like a soccer ninja.
To be fair though, a few of his goals were him tracking back , passing it to the mid, then running free to get the through ball

As long as he is closing down some passing lanes as a striker Im okay with not wasting your gas on trying to steal the ball each and every time

C.Ronaldo
07-14-2016, 08:58 AM
Frustrating game to watch but considering the lineup, 1 point is somewhat satisfying. I really can't stand to watch Delgado pass to the opposition over and over every game. I find myself counting how many times he does it per game. I lost track but I think it was 7 or 8 times last night. I don't know if there is a metric for this, but there should be. Osorio has also become hesitant again, it's like he thinks too much. I don't think shooting practice is going to cure that. He needs to get out of his head. I really like the tendency of the whole team to play smartly, but sometimes the cheekiness turns against them.

I think one touch practice will help. he needs one touch to be a habit.

Davenport
07-14-2016, 09:25 AM
This is mostly a TFC B squad. We've never had a squad off the bench this good.

Fair enough, but I'm still not convinced.

C.Ronaldo
07-14-2016, 09:33 AM
where on the TFC site can we see the game stats, line ups , subs, etc..

OgtheDim
07-14-2016, 09:35 AM
http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-07-13-columbus-crew-sc-vs-toronto-fc/stats

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-07-13-columbus-crew-sc-vs-toronto-fc/lineup

http://matchcenter.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2016-07-13-columbus-crew-sc-vs-toronto-fc/boxscore

Jack
07-14-2016, 09:44 AM
Amazing people complain about us being shit when we managed a point on the road with a line up that looks like we're ready to play a shitty mid season friendly against some EPL team. The way we've played with everyone out has given me more hope going forward than I can ever remember with this team. We've never had a supporting cast that could do anything good and now we have one that can at least scrap for a point. We get everyone back 100% and hopefully get a new face or two and we should look good come fall.
I admit I am guilty of extremes of hyperbole at times, especially during the period after we give up goals g:D

Overall, I am satisfied with our B squad's game last night.

Leedsoronto
07-14-2016, 09:53 AM
Jordan is what we used to call a goal scrounger in the days before off side.
He is good at what he does. He actually scores u know.Don't ask him to be a defender or it won't work for him

Mo is a hard working player who does Jordan's running around for him :@)

A tie was a good point IMO, just look who is absent from the team

todortonchev
07-14-2016, 12:10 PM
Pretty good result considering the squad that we had. Hamilton is the typical scoring machine, just pass him the ball close to the goal and he will get it done.
Curious to see what will happen with him when Jozy comes back healthy.

MightyDM
07-14-2016, 01:25 PM
Amazing people complain about us being shit when we managed a point on the road with a line up that looks like we're ready to play a shitty mid season friendly against some EPL team. The way we've played with everyone out has given me more hope going forward than I can ever remember with this team. We've never had a supporting cast that could do anything good and now we have one that can at least scrap for a point. We get everyone back 100% and hopefully get a new face or two and we should look good come fall.

I don't think too many people are complaining. I thought we were terrible all game - compared to first Montreal Cup game with a similar line up - but notwithstanding that, in fact maybe even because of it, very pleased with the point. We were terrible though, except for Hamilton's strike, Moor, Cheyrou, Chapman.

Scotty74
07-14-2016, 01:32 PM
When I saw the line up before the game I would of settled for a point and that's what TFC 2 got last night. Decent point with so many players injured/rested.
If we had been playing a better team we would of been down by 2 or 3 at ht but Columbus are really poor. I thought we did better after we moved to 4-3-3
Hamilton continues to show he belongs in this league and can only get better. Chapman did well when he came on as well.

All this team have to do is keep picking up points until the regulars return

Ultra & Proud
07-14-2016, 02:07 PM
I don't think too many people are complaining. I thought we were terrible all game - compared to first Montreal Cup game with a similar line up
True but that was a home fixture in better weather conditions. Also it was against the Impact and they have no heart.

Yohan
07-14-2016, 02:20 PM
true but that was a home fixture in better weather conditions. Also it was against the impact and they have no heart.

lmao :d

MightyDM
07-14-2016, 09:58 PM
True but that was a home fixture in better weather conditions. Also it was against the Impact and they have no heart.

Good point.

Alonso
07-15-2016, 10:36 AM
This is mostly a TFC B squad. We've never had a squad off the bench this good.


Agreed. Our bench has never been this good and well organized.

Solid point on the road.

tfcocd
07-15-2016, 11:51 PM
You're right about Oso. The other game they announced and celebrated his 100th game for the club and it really got me thinking about how he needs to step up. I've often thought about him being the 'academy grad' and young player, but he's now mature enough as a pro that either he starts performing or needs to get out of the lineup. He makes too many 'young' errors and mistakes and maybe its just he needs a confidence boost, because he was on track to do good things last year. I don't know, but he's got to improve.

This must be the first game I have missed on TV since 2007. So at this point I have only watched the MLS highlights which did show 2 attacking plays from Osorio. I didn't think either were really poor attempts. Of course the first should have been on frame but it was a near miss under pressure. The second looked like another decent attempt on goal which the goalie saved. I didn't think either were sitters. Hamiltons goal was well taken on a defensive breakdown exploited by Chapman. I know Osorio has been struggling to score but didn't think these goal attempts were examples of a player who is in danger of losing starting opportunities.

I do not have the context of full game film so I recognize the rest of his game may have been awful but after watching a few replays I didn't think the failed attacks were by a player who should be taken from the lineup.

Ivy
07-16-2016, 01:32 AM
What bugs me about Oso attempts at finishing is that he's always trying a fancy side foot thing with no power... I don't think I've ever seen him put his laces through a ball.

Auzzy
07-16-2016, 04:07 AM
Long stretches of the game were frustrating for sure. RE some of the comments about Hamilton above: I didn't see anyone mention that he was (once again) involved in the build-up to his own goal. Watch the replay. Jordan received the ball under pressure, laid back to Osorio who quickly dished off to Cheyrou - smart move by Osorio. :D Cheyrou and Chapman then put in great passes to setup the goal -- and Hamilton with great runs off the ball in between, to open up Columbus and get in a good position for scoring.

After watching the replay again, the Columbus goal was onside or close enough. Mark Bloom screwed that one up.

What worried me a bit: the team often doesn't seem to follow Vanney's instructions. During halftime, he was interviewed, and he was seeing many of the problems we all saw in the first half. And then they started the 2nd half with most of the same problems! It took some time & a formation change to wake them up. That's a problem.

All around a great point though. Not only due to the mostly B squad and short bench. Consider that at that extreme heat & humidy, two of the three TFCsubs were forced and couldn't be made strategically. For TFC to eke out a point, and have about the same number of serious chances on net as the Crew, are significant achievements.

paul-collins
07-16-2016, 02:51 PM
After watching the replay again, the Columbus goal was onside or close enough. Mark Bloom screwed that one up.
Speaking of which, he was subbed off right after that - what was wrong with him, heat stroke? I was wondering if he had thrown up on the pitch or something.

Auzzy
07-17-2016, 03:23 PM
Speaking of which, he was subbed off right after that - what was wrong with him, heat stroke? I was wondering if he had thrown up on the pitch or something.

I thought he hurt his leg or foot or something.