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OgtheDim
06-27-2016, 06:11 PM
...Under the Circumstances

Have at It People

QBall
06-27-2016, 07:58 PM
Seattle? How does that song go again? Old green mare she ain't what she used to be...

OgtheDim
06-27-2016, 09:07 PM
It will be nice not to play them in front of 40K or so of these


http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ZqmRIVXXXXX2aXXXq6xXFXXXc/Mini-Hand-Fan-Held-Electric-Air-Cooling-Plastic-Rechargeable-Portable-USB-Mini-Fan-Small-Battery-Fans.jpg

Oldtimer
06-28-2016, 08:36 AM
It will be nice not to play them in front of 40K or so of these


http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ZqmRIVXXXXX2aXXXq6xXFXXXc/Mini-Hand-Fan-Held-Electric-Air-Cooling-Plastic-Rechargeable-Portable-USB-Mini-Fan-Small-Battery-Fans.jpg

Plastic fans? Brilliant!

Fort York Redcoat
06-28-2016, 01:11 PM
Oh boy, first league game sans Irwin and who's watching from the other end?

http://assets2.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/frei640.jpg

OgtheDim
06-28-2016, 01:33 PM
Bradley may not be available.

OgtheDim
06-28-2016, 08:51 PM
Sounders playing pretty much the B team in their US Cup match tonight.

Blindside16
06-29-2016, 05:26 AM
I wasn't overly optimistic about this game before hand and am even less so now that Irwin has been confirmed out. Our all time record against Seattle is 2W-7L-1T 9GF 17GA. We need to be patient and try and break down their midfield and backline. I already know Gomez will be chomping at the bit to get out there. Best case scenario if we can hold them to a goal or less we should be able to take a point.

OgtheDim
06-29-2016, 06:09 AM
We are at home with the same team that beat LAG minus Irwin. A win should be expected.

OgtheDim
06-29-2016, 07:19 PM
A reminder there will be post match fireworks.

Blizzard
06-29-2016, 07:27 PM
A reminder there will be post match fireworks.


Woohoo!!!!

:)

OgtheDim
06-29-2016, 11:55 PM
The team is going to be soooooooo hung over for this game. :drunk:

Auzzy
06-30-2016, 12:05 AM
I think this will be a really tough game. Johnson may be out as well. Who knows if Bradley can play. Irwin & Beitashour out. Altidore still not back. Other guys tired/hungover etc.

Smokecell
06-30-2016, 12:07 AM
Johnson definitely out but I expect Bradley to play, I have to think this is a case of needing rest for him by missing the Vcup game/ time spent with the fam after a month away. He's human afterall....

Auzzy
06-30-2016, 12:23 AM
Johnson definitely out but I expect Bradley to play, I have to think this is a case of needing rest for him by missing the Vcup game/ time spent with the fam after a month away. He's human afterall....

They were evaluating Bradley in Toronto today due to a knee injury... Hopefully it's nothing.

Lennon
06-30-2016, 01:05 AM
NOW you can rest the starters ;)

We can lose 9-0 and I won't even care lol.

Would be nice to see Edwards get the start. Him and Malik Johnson are the only ones that have really earned it.

OgtheDim
06-30-2016, 06:40 AM
Johnson will be out for sure but the guy wasn't put on crutches or anything like that. During the first bit of the Osorio post match interview, you can see him come out of the locker room limping, but still walking. Who knows what his injury is but the medical/training staff didn't feel the need to put on a full brace with ice or anything.

Voodooman
06-30-2016, 07:20 AM
A reminder there will be post match fireworks.

Oh wow! I didn't know, thanks for letting me know aha

Scotty74
06-30-2016, 01:13 PM
I'll take 1-1 to be honest, half the team seems to be out injured

SoccMan2
06-30-2016, 06:56 PM
Not looking good for this game really can't afford to keep dropping points if this team is going try and battle for a chance at finally getting a home playoff date.

General Woolfe
07-01-2016, 12:51 AM
Bradley again picking up a knock on International duty???

:facepalm:

Hamilton_Red
07-01-2016, 12:56 AM
FFS lads... Seattle is on a serious tailspin this year. Not great on the road. Yes we've got some injuries & Cheroux is probably knackered after a midweek game. But the young lads should't need much motivation after last night - time for them to stay their claims.

Gio Hamilton

Edwards Osario Delgado

(Bradley /Johnson /Cheroux)

Morgan Moor Williams Haglund

Bono

Gazza_55
07-01-2016, 01:12 AM
Bradley again picking up a knock on International duty???

:facepalm:


Thats because JK keeps playing Bradley in the f*^king 3rd place matches. Two summers in a row now. Guy is clueless.

Stress
07-01-2016, 09:34 AM
FFS lads... Seattle is on a serious tailspin this year. Not great on the road. Yes we've got some injuries & Cheroux is probably knackered after a midweek game. But the young lads should't need much motivation after last night - time for them to stay their claims.

Gio Hamilton

Edwards Osario Delgado

(Bradley /Johnson /Cheroux)

Morgan Moor Williams Haglund

Bono

Pretty sure Edwards can't play. I believe that type of contract only covers cups and friendlies.

notthesun
07-01-2016, 10:23 AM
Just posted on TFC website, Bradley and Johnson both out 6 weeks.

It's been a fun season boys

Ultra & Proud
07-01-2016, 10:26 AM
Just posted on TFC website, Bradley and Johnson both out 6 weeks.

It's been a fun season boys

Great. Bradley will be back just in time to warm up for Klinsman's usual late summer, non-FIFA date friendly binge. Maybe Jozy will be back by then so Jurgen can finish off his season too.

Ultra & Proud
07-01-2016, 10:28 AM
Pretty sure Edwards can't play. I believe that type of contract only covers cups and friendlies.
He can't but I wouldn't be surprised if we signed him after all these injuries unless MLS gives us that hard times exemption.

Areathrasher
07-01-2016, 10:30 AM
FFS, this is a disaster :picard:

shwade
07-01-2016, 10:31 AM
Just posted on TFC website, Bradley and Johnson both out 6 weeks.

It's been a fun season boys

He ha ha.
But we still have fools here who will yell that we made 3 amazing investments and twas is life.

bigredone
07-01-2016, 10:36 AM
Cheyrou's next assignment: DM, AM, distributer, hold-up, shoot, organize, General, Patriot......

boissons énergisantes ------> :drinking:<------ Benoit

notthesun
07-01-2016, 10:41 AM
I fucking hate Klinsmann.

We should roll a 4-2-3-1 now. Cheyrou and someone else as DMs, call up Mannella from TFC II, Giovinco on the left and Hamilton up top.

GhostKiller
07-01-2016, 10:55 AM
-------Babouli--------Hamilton------
---------------Gio-----------------
-----Oso---------------Delgado----
--------------Cheyrou------------
Morrow--Perquis--Moor--Biet--
--------------Bono-------------

Sub: Q, Endo, Hagguland, Morgan, Chapman

God help us all.

We are definitely good to let in 1 or 3 goals a game so we need to push some offence. Which means we need to involve Gio early in the build up. Can't afford to have him on an island up top. Maybe he can use that AM mind of his to pull some strings for the young guns.

Detroit_TFC
07-01-2016, 11:07 AM
That's not a bad shout, SG is going to need to play more of a role in central mf.

PopePouri
07-01-2016, 11:17 AM
Think we need to trade for a centre mid now. Our only reasonable backup is Chapman.

Auzzy
07-01-2016, 11:41 AM
Cheyrou has been playing well lately, but he should normally not be playing 90 minutes game after game. We have games every single Saturday over the summer, plus 3 Wednesdays thrown in. I hope he's not the next one to go down.

Other problem: Cheyrou is good, but he needs another tough & fast midfielder next to him (like Johnson or even Bradley) for defensive help. I can't think of anyone else on our roster who can play that role half decent.... ??

When the hell is Altidore back?

We're screwed.

OgtheDim
07-01-2016, 04:17 PM
A 4 person midfield of Cheyrou, Osorio, Delgado and Endoh I'm thinking....not exactly liking, just thinking.

Areathrasher
07-01-2016, 05:03 PM
Cheyrou is going to be run into the ground by August.

OgtheDim
07-01-2016, 07:42 PM
FWIW

http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-Seattle-Updated-Projected.png

anto7
07-01-2016, 07:57 PM
FWIW

http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-Seattle-Updated-Projected.png
You know even with all the guys we have injured right now that's still not a bad line up.
BTW....I read that Perquis and Beitashour should be available for tomorrow, think it was on Sportsnet

Auzzy
07-01-2016, 09:01 PM
Cheyrou is going to be run into the ground by August.

That's exactly what I'm worried about.

Beitashour back would be a huge help. Any decently-coached team would kill us down that side with Hagglund playing FB.

OgtheDim
07-02-2016, 08:32 AM
Game Day :scarf:

Derko
07-02-2016, 08:38 AM
We must have faith in the kids, they will rule the world one day!!:scarf::drinking::canada:

flatpicker
07-02-2016, 10:00 AM
We must have faith in the kids, they will rule the world one day!!:scarf::drinking::canada:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYzlVDlE72w

Joe Kool
07-02-2016, 10:10 AM
Hopefully Morrow marks guys a little better when crosses are coming in today. He could have prevented a goal against Vancouver with better marking if I recall.

OgtheDim
07-02-2016, 10:18 AM
We must have faith in the kids, they will rule the world one day!!:scarf::drinking::canada:

I'm still waiting for that day....bloody baby boomers.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-02-2016, 11:18 AM
I fucking hate Klinsmann.


Me too!
He was a great player.

But then he's a super-average coach IMO, and he's done a ton of bad for TFC... beginning from the point he was some kind of consultant to TFC about 4 years ago.

spe18
07-02-2016, 12:34 PM
Me too!
He was a great player.

But then he's a super-average coach IMO, and he's done a ton of bad for TFC... beginning from the point he was some kind of consultant to TFC about 4 years ago.

Except that I don't believe Klinsmann is the one that suggested to put Mariner there too.

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 01:08 PM
Think we need to trade for a centre mid now. Our only reasonable backup is Chapman.
Diskerud would be perfect, a keeper rather than short term fix. However how can we find the cap space? We seem to have an abundance of central defenders, so perhaps a trade can be made there without giving up the future? (Hagglund) Any teams short on defence with an abundance of midfielders?

Its sickening once again to not only lose Bradley for a length spell of International duty but have him come home hurt again. The USA have certainly seen the best of this player, not us...

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 01:13 PM
-------Babouli--------Hamilton------
---------------Gio-----------------
-----Oso---------------Delgado----
--------------Cheyrou------------
Morrow--Perquis--Moor--Biet--
--------------Bono-------------

Sub: Q, Endo, Hagguland, Morgan, Chapman

God help us all.

We are definitely good to let in 1 or 3 goals a game so we need to push some offence. Which means we need to involve Gio early in the build up. Can't afford to have him on an island up top. Maybe he can use that AM mind of his to pull some strings for the young guns.

I much prefer the idea of Seba as AM than lone striker, however he needs to realize he's not the only player on the field and use those around him more. Several times in recent weeks Endoh has worked himself into excellent attacking positions only to be ignored by Seba who'd rather try for the highlight reel goal himself

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 01:15 PM
We must have faith in the kids, they will rule the world one day!!:scarf::drinking::canada:

One, even two, maybe, but four or five is too much inexperience in the side.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2016, 02:27 PM
One, even two, maybe, but four or five is too much inexperience in the side.
It is what it is though. A trial by fire.

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 05:16 PM
Looking at the standings tonight really is a must win game as we've been slipping deeper and deeper below the red line. 3pts are necessary to keep us in the hunt for a playoff spot. I know many will say a point would be an accomplishment given our injury list, however sometime as a club you've got to dig deep and find a way to get the win no matter how improbable it seems. Tonight is one of those times.

Lets go Reds!! :scarf:

notthesun
07-02-2016, 05:20 PM
Except that I don't believe Klinsmann is the one that suggested to put Mariner there too.

Probably not, but Winter was a disaster waiting to happen from the beginning anyways. To say he was naive is a compliment.

A Stick
07-02-2016, 05:23 PM
Why are the gates not open?

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 05:46 PM
Holy moley, that line-up. Experimental isn't the right term. I guess Vanney wants to see just how shit Seattle is, and bring key players off the bench as needed.

mistercorporate
07-02-2016, 05:56 PM
If that lineups for real our right side is so vulnerable.

Poor Cheyrou, hope he took some tylenols, those legs are gonna ache after so many games.

notthesun
07-02-2016, 05:59 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/749369624098025472

Perquis starting, huh. Maybe he's not on the move.

Looks like a 3-5-2. Cheyrou and Moor getting rest. I like that Hamilton is starting, I think his partnership with Giovinco works better than Babouli.

notthesun
07-02-2016, 06:01 PM
https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/749370074813730816

Also, Edwards is on the bench, which I'm pretty sure means he's been signed to a first team contract. You can't play league games on a Short Term Agreement.

mistercorporate
07-02-2016, 06:03 PM
Phew, i like perquis and cant wait to see edwards subbed in.

Redcoe15
07-02-2016, 06:43 PM
Just turned on the TV to discover L'impact came back from a 2-0 deficit to defeat New England 3-2. BOOOOOO!!!!!

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 06:49 PM
Is that Perquis? Yikes.

jloome
07-02-2016, 06:51 PM
Phew, i like perquis and cant wait to see edwards subbed in.

This is the battle of the official victims, this game. Both teams have had 12-16 points basically stolen by bad calls.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 07:08 PM
How the hell did chapman miss that?

Some nice play from Hamilton. Very close to a handbal IMO.

Yohan
07-02-2016, 07:08 PM
Oh Chapman. That's a free header

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 07:09 PM
Oh Chapman. That's a free header
Do not get the number of headers guys miss in MLS - absolutely horrific.

Yohan
07-02-2016, 07:10 PM
And Giovinco Zaza'd that open shot

Inklink
07-02-2016, 07:10 PM
ffs Sebaa

Can't show crappy attitude then miss chances like that.

jloome
07-02-2016, 07:12 PM
Hagglund is playing like a blue chipper. That cross, then the through ball, the take-down on the fly... where did this guy come from all of a sudden?

Inklink
07-02-2016, 07:17 PM
Nigel Reed is horrendous.

notthesun
07-02-2016, 07:17 PM
Hamilton is good.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 07:18 PM
I'm really liking this 3-5-2. Pretty exciting football.

notthesun
07-02-2016, 07:31 PM
Fuck, feeling like one of those days when we get chance after chance but can't score.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 07:32 PM
Outside of the missed header that was an outstanding half from chapman.

jloome
07-02-2016, 07:33 PM
Outside of the missed header that was an outstanding half from chapman.

P. much everyone played well except Seba missing the sitter and Chapman trying to put something on that header, which is a cardinal sin from that distance.

burlington Red
07-02-2016, 07:34 PM
Nigel Reed is horrendous.

Why?
He's a decent commentator ,not the best but not the worst.
I guess you'd prefer victory vic rauter. ...lol.

Yohan
07-02-2016, 07:35 PM
TFC attack flows so much better when Giovinco isn't being so selfish

Greatest Ripoff
07-02-2016, 07:35 PM
Chapman looking really good tonight. Glad to see him take advantage of his opportunity to start.

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 07:36 PM
I know Seattle was struggling but this is just shocking from them.

Giovinco should just play in the center midfield and spread the ball around, his scoring funk is worse than I thought.

Inklink
07-02-2016, 07:37 PM
Why?
He's a decent commentator ,not the best but the worst.
I guess you'd prefer victory rater. ...lok

Can't stand his tone and his call has no flow. Vic Rauter is atrocious as well.

Luke Wileman is the best out of all MLS commentators.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 07:40 PM
Why?
He's a decent commentator ,not the best but the worst.
I guess you'd prefer victory rater. ...lok
They're both pretty bad but I can't stand Reed. Just depends if you like your empty head talking in the form of soccer specific cliches or generic sports commentator ones.

Wileman is by far the best in Canada, by miles.

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 07:41 PM
Looks and sounds like a great crowd tonight. Must be Canada Day weekend.

We need to start putting these chances away because we cant continue to throw points away in games we dominate like this

burlington Red
07-02-2016, 07:42 PM
He's pretty tactically astute for a commentator, certainly more so than wileman. His tone whatever that means is fine by me.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 07:47 PM
He's pretty tactically astute for a commentator, certainly more so than wileman. His tone whatever that means is fine by me.
I dunno man, that's certainly not what I find. It's just a guy babbling behind an english accent who frequently mixes up names of players. His knowledge of the league is ulta lightweight, IMO. Pretty sad considering it's what they task him with, primarily.

Really don't think he knows anything tactically either.

burlington Red
07-02-2016, 07:47 PM
He calls the game as he sees it. What is it with this cliche crap. Every commentator uses cliches. I like wileman but he uses cliches as much as any commentator. Not sure what u want from a commentator. Reed isn't the best but he's decent

notthesun
07-02-2016, 07:52 PM
Marshall off injured. This should really be 3 points for us.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-02-2016, 07:54 PM
Seba is taking shots even when he won't have the slightest chance.
Very disappointed with his funk in finding the goal...

notthesun
07-02-2016, 07:56 PM
Endoh is having himself a game.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 08:02 PM
Yes!

Edit: no!

notthesun
07-02-2016, 08:03 PM
Oh for fucks sake

James17930
07-02-2016, 08:03 PM
Where's Cheyrou?

Inklink
07-02-2016, 08:03 PM
Never change TFC

tfcfans
07-02-2016, 08:04 PM
Yeesh --- that was so TFC.....

PizzaEatingYeti
07-02-2016, 08:04 PM
Fuck... This is a joke...

notthesun
07-02-2016, 08:05 PM
The game was over, they've done jack shit all game and you give them a freebie, christ man

mistercorporate
07-02-2016, 08:06 PM
Bono is too short, need a bigger goalkeeper with long arms, does Quillan suck so bad?

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 08:07 PM
I'm going to start drink straight out of the whiskey bottle after that.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 08:08 PM
Bono is too short, need a bigger goalkeeper with long arms, does Quillan suck so bad?
I don't think there are many keepers in the world who were getting to that one. He smashed it and the bend was huge.

With the numbers we had back there no way we can let him get that look at goal.

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 08:09 PM
TFC doing so many things right tonight, under adverse circumstances. Then that happens. Morale crusher.

burlington Red
07-02-2016, 08:10 PM
I need to see goal again but I think perquis was caught out of position . I could be wrong but that was my first impression.

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 08:12 PM
Why bring Chapman out, he's playing the best I've ever seen him.

burlington Red
07-02-2016, 08:13 PM
Bono is too short, need a bigger goalkeeper with long arms, does Quillan suck so bad?

He's 6ft 3.
How tall do you want?

nonc
07-02-2016, 08:14 PM
Bono is too short, need a bigger goalkeeper with long arms, does Quillan suck so bad?

Roberts is better than Bono I'm not sure how Bono moved up the pecking order.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 08:14 PM
Why bring Chapman out, he's playing the best I've ever seen him.
Yeah. He faded a bit in the second half but still....He was the best player out there in the first half.

nonc
07-02-2016, 08:15 PM
Zavaleta showing why he usually sits on the bench

Yohan
07-02-2016, 08:18 PM
Beitashour is having a good game attacking as wingback

nonc
07-02-2016, 08:26 PM
Make Morris DP not Altidore.

James17930
07-02-2016, 08:27 PM
Our former players always score against us ....

... so I guess we're losing this game now.

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 08:30 PM
That was too close. :facepalm:

notthesun
07-02-2016, 08:36 PM
It's gonna be a long season from here on out, I think.

ag futbol
07-02-2016, 08:36 PM
Arg.... Lots of positives but man-o-man that got frustrating at times.

Hamilton is starting to roll a little bit which is big.

Yohan
07-02-2016, 08:36 PM
For basically playing the B team, TFC did well. But it still feels like lost 2 pts.

Eastend
07-02-2016, 08:36 PM
Yes it does.

Kaz
07-02-2016, 08:39 PM
Another two points lost at home. Points lost at home is becoming a common theme to this season.

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 08:39 PM
Very disappointing to not get all 3 pts. But was impressed by the squad effort, especially in the 2nd half. Time to drink heavily.

Yohan
07-02-2016, 08:40 PM
Beitashour lucky not to get a red for that late challenge. Studs up and right into the ankle. Nasty

General Woolfe
07-02-2016, 08:42 PM
Completely unacceptable. That game should've been over by half time. I'm really worried about the playoffs if we are going to continue to throw away points like this. Given the opposition that was as close to a home banker as you'll find in this league. To end up clinging on for a draw like that is truly pathetic. Once again a season that started with such promise is turning into a disaster.

ManUtd4ever
07-02-2016, 08:46 PM
Something is off with Giovinco. If he played like he usually does, we win tonight's game with ease.

Redcoe15
07-02-2016, 08:50 PM
Fuck that shit! There's nothing I hate more than seeing the opposition score after our side scores! There should be no excuse for TFC to allow Snotbag FC to score a minute after our side scores! That shows a lack of commitment and discipline on their part. Snotbag FC went home with points they did not deserve!

WAKE THE FUCK UP, TFC!!!!!:hulk:

mistercorporate
07-02-2016, 08:51 PM
The best thing about this whole game was seeing Edwards come in at 86 mins and make his presence felt. This guys gonna score tons of goals!

Yohan
07-02-2016, 08:52 PM
Something is off with Giovinco. If he played like he usually does, we win tonight's game with ease.
The Euro snub has got to him.

PizzaEatingYeti
07-02-2016, 08:55 PM
WAKE THE FUCK UP, TFC!!!!!:hulk:

There's always "the next season"!

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 08:57 PM
The Euro snub has got to him.

We knew this was a possibility. Now we have to see how deep the damage is. I don't know if he'll bounce back. If he doesn't, he may request to leave in January. Let's see what happens.

69Chevy396
07-02-2016, 09:01 PM
Something is off with Giovinco. If he played like he usually does, we win tonight's game with ease.
I have nothing negative to say about tonights game. Players like Chapman, Hamilton and Endoh were very good. If the team continues to work in these younger players, the constant need to recruit DPs will eventually end. Chapman in the first half was as good as Bradley most nights. Your right about Seba. He is an emotional athlete who wanted to play for his NT. People here sometimes underestimate how important this opportunity is to an Italian footballer. Seba is going to recover, but not for a while. If not handled well, this may be the impetus for him to leave MLS asap...When Conte denied Pirlo and Seba, he attributed this to their playing in MLS. And, can you blame him? MLS is a mediocre league. Even the Belgians, playing without their top defenders, did not use Ciman, perhaps the best defender in MLS. MLS has nil respect in Europe.

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2016, 09:06 PM
I'm going to put on the red colored glasses - as much as it's a drag to drop points vs this shitty Seattle team, we have to build up these guys, they have to take us through the next 2 months.

smtavare
07-02-2016, 09:35 PM
I'm going to put on the red colored glasses - as much as it's a drag to drop points vs this shitty Seattle team, we have to build up these guys, they have to take us through the next 2 months.

I thought Delgado played like shit, Vanney should have switched the middle field players at 60min not 75-min

I still think Vanney has to go, bring in Kries

Areathrasher
07-02-2016, 09:49 PM
No, just no.

Delgado played the Bradely/Cheyrou role tonight and performed extremely well.

Let the fucking kids play. They played some outstanding stuff tonight and if Seba wasn't snakebitten that was 3-1 TFC tonight.

smtavare
07-02-2016, 09:54 PM
No, just no.

Delgado played the Bradely/Cheyrou role tonight and performed extremely well.

Let the fucking kids play. They played some outstanding stuff tonight and if Seba wasn't snakebitten that was 3-1 TFC tonight.

I watched him at the game all night, he was no Cheyrou or Bradley, who are you fuckin kidding

Midfield could not hold the ball all second half, no service, what a difference when Cheyrou and Osario came in

You want to see the kids play Go see TFCII in Vaughan

burlington Red
07-02-2016, 09:55 PM
No, just no.

Delgado played the Bradely/Cheyrou role tonight and performed extremely well.

Let the fucking kids play. They played some outstanding stuff tonight and if Seba wasn't snakebitten that was 3-1 TFC tonight.

Yup I'd agree with that..

Areathrasher
07-02-2016, 10:00 PM
I watched him at the game all night, he was no Cheyrou or Bradley, who are you fuckin kidding

Midfield could not hold the ball all second half, no service, what a difference when Cheyrou and Osario came in

You want to see the kids play Go see TFCII in Vaughan
Are you fucking kidding me?

Your giving a 20 year old shit for fading in the 2nd half after he played all 90 mid week in a cup final TFC won and flew cross continent?

He was sweeping up balls all first half, breaking up Seattle plays and sprayed some great cross field balls in the first half.

If you didnt see any of that, ill give you my MLSLive log-in and you can re-watch the first half and get back to me.

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ag futbol
07-02-2016, 10:40 PM
I'll 2nd (or is it 3rd or 4th) that.

In the first half he dropped back and pulled strings. He took on defenders in the channels. He set up guys in scoring positions several times. He attacked space in the box.

That was the best half of attacking football we've seen from any midfielder this season, full stop. He's not particularly strong on the tackle and missed that gift of a header but whatever. It was a Solid performance.

I think if he plays 60% of that in an average game he's pushing someone to the bench for a starting spot.

Edit: whoops thought we were talking about Chapman. But yeah, Delgado played really well. Very good teamwork in the midfield tonight. Think these guys want to show they can do it without some of the big names.

MightyDM
07-02-2016, 10:47 PM
For me, the team looked very good and penetrated Seattle any time it wanted to. Chapman and Hagglund were excellent, Hamilton very good. Perquis, Endoh, Bloom, Beita solid ( in fact the 3-5-2 seems to work for us). Bono made several positioning errors, far too aggressive. I wasn't wild about Delgado, only ok, and sad to say it but Seba had a poor game, although the referee allowed him to be manhandled. Zavaletta was good except terrible on the goal.
Oso and Edwards looked good, Cheyrou's passes a bit off when he came on.

chapman 7
hagglund 7
hamilton 6.5
bloom 6
endoh 6
perquis 6
beita 6
zavaletta 5.5
seba 5
delgado 5
bono 4.5
subs:
oso 6
cheyrou 6
edwards n/r

MightyDM
07-02-2016, 10:48 PM
Question for those in the south end: was that as clear a penalty on Seba at the end as it looked from distance?

reggie
07-02-2016, 11:13 PM
give the young guys credit they played well tonight,we missed 3 sitters in the first half.should of had 3 points.

Yohan
07-02-2016, 11:14 PM
Here's an interesting question. Hamilton has hit a good patch of form, scoring 4 goals in 4 games all competition or something like that. When Altidore comes back say another 2 weeks, does Hamilton take a seat and Altidore starts or do you park a DP on the bench?

Kamp Berg
07-02-2016, 11:14 PM
I think the hate on for some players tonight is misguided. I hate the gaffs that Delgado makes sometimes but overall he was a menace to Seattle. If there is anyone to blame here it's Vanney. His subs as always were badly timed and head scratchers. What's the point in bring on Edwards with 4 minutes left? if anything I think we might be watching Vanneys demise running its course. I can't help but think that we're are all being used to fund the growth of American coaching, and we're getting front row tickets to not watching TFC grow but Vanney's experience and therefore his career grow. Is it just me or does it always seem that the tactical risks he takes never have proper timing or any real upside. It almost like he's as delayed in his thinking as MLS refs! Now there's the true abomination!!!

Kamp Berg
07-02-2016, 11:16 PM
Here's an interesting question. Hamilton has hit a good patch of form, scoring 4 goals in 4 games all competition or something like that. When Altidore comes back say another 2 weeks, does Hamilton take a seat and Altidore starts or do you park a DP on the bench?

Don't park the DP, sell him and give Hamilton the starts!

Auzzy
07-02-2016, 11:58 PM
Delgado was quite good for a significant part of the game, considering the role he had to play today, and all the missing players.

However he was going downhill fast and became a liability. Vanney should have subbed Delgado off and kept Chapman on. Also, Edwards should have come on earlier. BTW MLS allowed Edwards to play today under a special "hardship" rule.

Since I was at the game, I was expecting more comments about the officials here in the thread. What did everyone think? Should that have been a PK for Giovinco? The throw in he gave to Seattle right before the end was hilarious, such a blatant wrong call. I hate the MLS highlights these days, they are always less than 4 minutes these days, ever since the last TV contract was signed. I wanted to see some of the controversial calls & non-calls, but none of that made it into the highlights.

I didn't realize how bad Seattle is these days. Despite the experimental lineup, that was definitely 2 points lost for TFC. They played more than well enough to win that, but the finishing sucked.

Oh and too bad that Osorio is mostly invisible these days. I didn't think he provided any spark coming off the bench.

Despite the mostly good play (considering the absences) it was shocking how TFC seemed to give up in the last 10 minutes or so. Seattle could have won that, although they never deserved it

SirBobSaget
07-03-2016, 12:09 AM
I thought Delgado played like shit, Vanney should have switched the middle field players at 60min not 75-min

I still think Vanney has to go, bring in Kries

This Kreis semi-god myth needs to go away. If he was such an amazing manager some team would have snapped him up by now. TFC dominated for the first 6 mins and should have won, Vanney's initial gameplan worked .

portu
07-03-2016, 12:38 AM
Here's an interesting question. Hamilton has hit a good patch of form, scoring 4 goals in 4 games all competition or something like that. When Altidore comes back say another 2 weeks, does Hamilton take a seat and Altidore starts or do you park a DP on the bench?
Yeah you sit Seba or you tell him he can't play up front anymore guy can't finish for shit lately

Hamilton_Red
07-03-2016, 01:02 AM
Hamilton was on fire tonight & was easily the MOTM for TFC. Seba for me - could start on the bench for a few games. The refs have figured him out on the diving and he is just going to get more frustrated. Try Edwards from the beginning & break Alti in gently.

Not sure why Chapman is getting the plaudits - the header miss on the sitter makes me wonder if he is a profession level. It was awful.

Thought Endoh is a bit toothless - but we really should have had the game wrapped up in the first half & at the end of the day we dropped point at home against quite possibly the weakest MLS team there is right now.

khso11
07-03-2016, 04:26 AM
Question for those in the south end: was that as clear a penalty on Seba at the end as it looked from distance?

If that was outside the box, it would've been a foul. For all the non-calls the ref has made, I think that warrants a penalty.

Yohan
07-03-2016, 05:46 AM
This Kreis semi-god myth needs to go away. If he was such an amazing manager some team would have snapped him up by now. TFC dominated for the first 6 mins and should have won, Vanney's initial gameplan worked .

Kreis is happy banking tons of money from NYCFC. And no team is willing to pay him more than NYCFC.

Man's gotta try to secure financial future for his family

anto7
07-03-2016, 05:50 AM
Wow, reading some of the comments on here never ceases to amaze me. The guys just played their 5th game in the last 15 days, just flew over 8000km in the last week, are missing almost an entire team of starters, maybe we should cut them a little slack.
i think Vanney did the right thing in resting some guys, he also got the formation right, and for the most part we totally outplayed Seattle.
Comments such as questioning if Chapman is professional level just because he missed a sitter is so ridiculous. I tend to have more respect from an ex-pro Steven Caldwell when he states Chapman was the best player on the pitch in the first half.
Yes it is hugely disappointing that we dropped 2 points, we missed several chances and should have won the game, but given the circumstances it was a great team effort and I don't think you can question the commitment of any of the guys who stepped on the field.
Just a quick reminder of guys who were missing : Irwin, Morrow, Moor, Johnson, Bradley, Cheyrou, Osario, Altidore. That's 8 of the starting 11.

Fort York Redcoat
07-03-2016, 07:04 AM
Disappointing to see missed chances but I'll take the draw on paper after our biggest win of the year.

And we get Chicago next. THAT match I expect 3 from.

Still Kicking
07-03-2016, 07:11 AM
Put me in the positives shown from Jay Chapman camp. (despite missing that chance). He was positive on the ball and passed well.
Also put me in the worried with Delgado camp.
Delgado looked uncomfortable in a central holding role. He was too stationary when the TFC back three had the ball, I felt. I worry that he has not made a study of Bradley and Cheyrou over the months and months. A few decisive steps or a looping run so that defenders can play the ball to space or your feet and you see the field ahead always seemed to be either missing or too many steps to get to for Delgado. I know he is young and has both talent and potential, but I don't see him , YET, as a natural candidate for a future first team role.
In the second half it seemed that play down the middle were long balls, bypassing Delgado or play down the left wing using Beitashour and Endoh. Delgado might have picked up some scraps from passes back into the middle, but he never seemed to be the true playmaker. I disagreed with Vanney taking Chapman and Endoh off and moving Delgado forward in the midfield, supported by Cheyrou and paired with Osorio - that it did not produce a late goal was zero surprise...

OgtheDim
07-03-2016, 07:23 AM
Here's an interesting question. Hamilton has hit a good patch of form, scoring 4 goals in 4 games all competition or something like that. When Altidore comes back say another 2 weeks, does Hamilton take a seat and Altidore starts or do you park a DP on the bench?

Hamilton starts at first while Altidore gets his fitness up. Then we use Hamilton as an impact sub. Hamilton last night was excellent but Altidore attracts more defenders and passes sharper and better.

ManUtd4ever
07-03-2016, 08:06 AM
I agree with the sentiments regarding the kids. I honestly haven't noticed much of a drop off with Hamilton and Chapman in place of Altidore and Bradley. We should seriously consider gaging the market for what those two could return. 11 million dollars could be put to much better use to improve our squad.

ensco
07-03-2016, 08:23 AM
I only saw Game in 6 but saw some good things. Love the ball from Hagglund to Chapman, Hagglund floated that perfectly!

Whle those two early misses were howlers, Seattle came pretty close a couple of times late. Draw doesn't seem hugely unfair.

Leedsoronto
07-03-2016, 09:03 AM
Seba should have been subbed out for Edwards at 65 mins IMO, he needs to get his head in the right place

Jhams had a great game today, best I have seen him play in the 4-5 years of watching him. Almost as good as when he was at Ajax FC

Babouli should have come on for Chapman (although Mannella should be starting in that position)

Play the kids, they are good !!

AirmanTFC
07-03-2016, 09:16 AM
Wow, reading some of the comments on here never ceases to amaze me. The guys just played their 5th game in the last 15 days, just flew over 8000km in the last week, are missing almost an entire team of starters, maybe we should cut them a little slack.
i think Vanney did the right thing in resting some guys, he also got the formation right, and for the most part we totally outplayed Seattle.
Comments such as questioning if Chapman is professional level just because he missed a sitter is so ridiculous. I tend to have more respect from an ex-pro Steven Caldwell when he states Chapman was the best player on the pitch in the first half.
Yes it is hugely disappointing that we dropped 2 points, we missed several chances and should have won the game, but given the circumstances it was a great team effort and I don't think you can question the commitment of any of the guys who stepped on the field.
Just a quick reminder of guys who were missing : Irwin, Morrow, Moor, Johnson, Bradley, Cheyrou, Osario, Altidore. That's 8 of the starting 11.

THIS

Derko
07-03-2016, 09:19 AM
I watched him at the game all night, he was no Cheyrou or Bradley, who are you fuckin kidding

Midfield could not hold the ball all second half, no service, what a difference when Cheyrou and Osario came in

You want to see the kids play Go see TFCII in Vaughan

Cheyrou yes by all means, Osorio not at all, he seems to be a step behind, bad sub, should have been Babouli, attack

Kaz
07-03-2016, 09:23 AM
Something is off with Giovinco. If he played like he usually does, we win tonight's game with ease.


There is too much pressure on him. People expect him to do everything. TFC is Seba and 10 other guys. Instead of 11 guys playing as a team. We also lost many of the offensive pieces we had last year meaning he and Altidore are't getting the service.

In the off season we needed a right back and a centre back. We got those but we also brought in midfielder because we needed that like 10 nipples on your foot. Got rid of 4 offensive players and brought no experienced offensive players in...


We stopped playing attacking football where we had the top offense in the league but were missing a few pieces to shore of the defence. So instead we got rid of the whole defence and brought up what was needed to shore up the defence.. but now can't score regularly enough to be a major threat. Because of that the Offense has been put on Gio's shoulders. It is a little too much to ask of him. And he is just a tiny bit off which is just killing him.

ensco
07-03-2016, 09:38 AM
Seba is going through what Defoe went through.

Seba is a better person than Defoe is, but like him, he is wasting prime time in his career here.

Ultra & Proud
07-03-2016, 10:37 AM
There is too much pressure on him. People expect him to do everything. TFC is Seba and 10 other guys. Instead of 11 guys playing as a team. We also lost many of the offensive pieces we had last year meaning he and Altidore are't getting the service.

In the off season we needed a right back and a centre back. We got those but we also brought in midfielder because we needed that like 10 nipples on your foot. Got rid of 4 offensive players and brought no experienced offensive players in...


We stopped playing attacking football where we had the top offense in the league but were missing a few pieces to shore of the defence. So instead we got rid of the whole defence and brought up what was needed to shore up the defence.. but now can't score regularly enough to be a major threat. Because of that the Offense has been put on Gio's shoulders. It is a little too much to ask of him. And he is just a tiny bit off which is just killing him.

Because this is how it should have been done in the first place. Vanney is basically a year behind. Last year was wasted just sticking to the run and gun style he wanted after Nelson. If had of worked on a solid defensive base and added offensive pieces this year we'd be ahead of the curve. As it stands this window will make or break our season. For me, I'd rather have this than what we had last year. This is already more sustainable and gives a better chance of winning through adversity but I'd rather have had it last season than now. As it stands, I see us as a lower end playoff team and this style will be more practical in the playoffs than what we had last year.

Richard
07-03-2016, 10:45 AM
Hamilton starts at first while Altidore gets his fitness up. Then we use Hamilton as an impact sub. Hamilton last night was excellent but Altidore attracts more defenders and passes sharper and better.

I rather somehow work both players into a starting 11, you don't drop Hamilton when he is the only player right now who is scoring goals.

noimpactinmtl
07-03-2016, 10:48 AM
The symptoms are all coming from a constant source, a salary cap system designed to force a team to sacrifice one area to shore another.

Until MLS starts to loosen regulations, we will always have to deal with a weakness in one area.

Kamp Berg
07-03-2016, 11:44 AM
I rather somehow work both players into a starting 11, you don't drop Hamilton when he is the only player right now who is scoring goals.

I would like to see Giovinco possibly dropped back to the AM position in a 4-2-3-1 with Hamilton up top for now. Once Altidore returns it would be nice to see the kids get more starts while resting most of the regular starters. Maybe a 4-4-2 with Hamilton and Babouli up front. I don't think we need to seriously drop our DPs but it would be great to take on some of the characteristics of teams like Dallas. Make the academy truly worth it. We might have handily won the game last night if Giovinco had been sat for it. I hate to say that because I love the guy, but it's not an insult to him to rest him and give a kid a little bit of time, not just 5 mins at the end of a game. Funny enough the young guys seem to be the ones really stepping up lately!

shwade
07-03-2016, 12:40 PM
Seba is going through what Defoe went through.

Seba is a better person than Defoe is, but like him, he is wasting prime time in his career here.

Time will tell but if he's upset he has every right to be...he's committed himself fully to this team and what Bez gives him in return is surrounding him with scrubs, children and overpaid USMNT committers.
He needed an AM/winger type in the off season after Bez unloaded pretty much our entire offence and what did he get? Johnson...not what the team needed.

smtavare
07-03-2016, 01:17 PM
Time will tell but if he's upset he has every right to be...he's committed himself fully to this team and what Bez gives him in return is surrounding him with scrubs, children and overpaid USMNT committers.
He needed an AM/winger type in the off season after Bez unloaded pretty much our entire offence and what did he get? Johnson...not what the team needed.

THIS!!!!!!!!

Leedsoronto
07-03-2016, 02:10 PM
Doing the Iceland BOOM was fun !! :@)

TMAN80
07-03-2016, 10:11 PM
I hate to say this because it sounds like its a downer statement, and I don't mean for it to be that, but I think our results on the field speak for themselves when it comes to the kids. Yes they look good on occasion, sometimes even more than occasionally, and surprise with some nice passes, and chip in a goal here and there, but if you look at our record we are losing points almost every game.

Im not shocked at all that since we have been going to Zavaletta, Hagglund, and others such as Chapman/Babouli because of injuries that we are losing. We did this already with some of these guys in past years, and we lost then too. Hamiltons done ok, but he is still not Altidore.

When Seba was surrounded with players a bit closer to him in terms of reading plays, skill and technical ability, such as Bradley/Altidore and even Perquis at central D, we were a very good team. Due to injuries and having to play the kids, we are winning points at a completely predictable, and expected pace. We are a below average team, and would be even worse without Seba. The results speak for themselves. The kids aren't good enough, as much as we like them and want them to succeed.

We need a good signing in the attacking department, a real quality player to play with Seba. Not sure the cap will allow us too, but we will have a tough time getting to the playoffs the way we are now if we don't. The injuries have been unfortunate.

FRANKIE65
07-04-2016, 09:04 AM
Keep reading comments about "kids" "scrubs" blah, blah, blah....you guys do realise half the team is injured?!??!?! Plus, as others mentioned, five games in 15 days.
Take the point from this one. Take three from Chicago, that one is as close to a must win as it gets at this point in the season, and start to get some guys healthy again.
As for Seba...yeah, Defoe syndrome is setting in. Hope he shakes it. Not too impressed that he seems to be the first guy leaving the pitch after the last few matches.

notthesun
07-04-2016, 01:52 PM
This was posted to reddit, looks like Frings was in attendance for this game.

https://i.imgur.com/EpZlJ3u.jpg

Ultra & Proud
07-04-2016, 02:09 PM
This was posted to reddit, looks like Frings was in attendance for this game.

https://i.imgur.com/EpZlJ3u.jpg
Yeah he did a wave on the big screen during the first half.

Scotty74
07-04-2016, 02:32 PM
The young players are doing ok but the problem the team faces is we're going to have to rely on them until the end of August with so many of the injuries being long term.

These kids would be fine if it was just one or 2 of them in the team and the others coming off the bench but having to lean so heavily on them for so long, we could be out of the play-off hunt by the time we get back to full strength.
Saturday was the perfect example that there are not enough goals in the team at present, we have no depth. If our full starting 11 was on the field on Saturday we beat Seattle 3 or 4-1.

Ultra & Proud
07-04-2016, 03:00 PM
The young players are doing ok but the problem the team faces is we're going to have to rely on them until the end of August with so many of the injuries being long term.

These kids would be fine if it was just one or 2 of them in the team and the others coming off the bench but having to lean so heavily on them for so long, we could be out of the play-off hunt by the time we get back to full strength.
Saturday was the perfect example that there are not enough goals in the team at present, we have no depth. If our full starting 11 was on the field on Saturday we beat Seattle 3 or 4-1.

Bigger picture is that if the kids can keep playing decent and have us us hanging around the playoffs for another 5 weeks when our regular starters will return, then we will be in a good position for a late season push and the experience they will gain will be very valuable going forward.

Scotty74
07-04-2016, 03:32 PM
Bigger picture is that if the kids can keep playing decent and have us us hanging around the playoffs for another 5 weeks when our regular starters will return, then we will be in a good position for a late season push and the experience they will gain will be very valuable going forward.

Yeah, I'd agree with you on that, if we can hang around the play-off picture that when the regulars return we should be in a good position to make a late push and the kids will have had some good playing experience.

My concern right now is that we haven't taken advantage of our home heavy schedule so far, it's crucial we start beating teams like Seattle at home, we've only won 2 of our 6 home games

Yohan
07-05-2016, 07:37 AM
lol

http://i.imgur.com/q412cMh.jpg

C.Ronaldo
07-05-2016, 09:03 AM
OUCH! that's nuts

buh duh CHING!

Richard
07-05-2016, 09:40 AM
Now that's funny. Haha g:D

Detroit_TFC
07-05-2016, 09:20 PM
Wait - that's NOT a hand brake? OOPS