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MartinUtd
06-13-2016, 09:50 AM
So it's a Tuesday game.

Fuck.

JayMolly
06-13-2016, 09:56 AM
So it's a Tuesday game.

Unfortunately yes.
We now see the impact of that other football club.
Their home opener is on the Thursday and require an extra day to prepare the pitch!

ensco
06-13-2016, 09:58 AM
Cmon Ecuador!

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/06/12/usa-ecuador-copa-america-quarterfinals-seattle-usmnt

Pint
06-13-2016, 10:02 AM
Do they have a mandatory rest period after the event? or is it right back to work after they are out?

Don't see bradley playing Saturday regardless but Tuesday would be an option for him.

molenshtain
06-13-2016, 10:07 AM
Do they have a mandatory rest period after the event? or is it right back to work after they are out?

Don't see bradley playing Saturday regardless but Tuesday would be an option for him.

They're released as soon as they're out.

Joe Kool
06-13-2016, 12:13 PM
So it's a Tuesday game.

Fuck.

Yeah it sucks for me too. Tuesday nights are no good for me. Wednesday would have been great. Oh well.

OgtheDim
06-16-2016, 10:59 AM
Traffic note:

Bathurst and College closed starting Monday for 3 weeks for intersection redo

OgtheDim
06-20-2016, 06:40 PM
So if the USMNT does not beat Argentina, the 3rd place game on the weekend is in Arizona. Not quite as far to travel to Vancouver as NJ.

OgtheDim
06-21-2016, 06:07 AM
Game Day :scarf:

Voodooman
06-21-2016, 07:36 AM
Let's go!

Pumped for the game tonight

Parkdale
06-21-2016, 07:51 AM
Someone at the TFC photo department has a sense of humour. Well played.

http://images.fans.mlse.com/EloquaImages/clients/MapleLeafSportsEntertainmentLtd/%7bda91d54a-b0c5-4151-8e5b-3304767f0504%7d_TFC_-_Amway_Finals_Championship_2016_Ticket.jpg

Oldtimer
06-21-2016, 08:29 AM
I expect them to play some of the young players they played against Montreal.

Pint
06-21-2016, 08:36 AM
I know the whitecaps released the roster for the semi finals but i haven't seen anything for them this time.

Areathrasher
06-21-2016, 08:50 AM
I know the whitecaps released the roster for the semi finals but i haven't seen anything for them this time.

They called up Davies for the game but that's all i've seen.

Red CB Toronto
06-21-2016, 08:55 AM
They called up Davies for the game but that's all i've seen.

I have heard a few TFC2 players will be short term callups for tonights game. Wesley Charpie, Raheem Edwards and Brian James. Not exactly sure what the roster makeup will be but with such a short turn around after the game Saturday I would fully expect some youngsters to play.

Pint
06-21-2016, 09:01 AM
I do expect to see some squad rotation but I also expect us to prioritize this match, we need to come out and get a lead.

Voyageurs cup is something that have put a large emphasis on this season so I would be shocked if we didn't see many mostly starters (johnson not starting saturday was likely to keep him 100% fresh for this game).

My expected 11:

Irwin
Beitashour - Hagglund - Perquis - Morgan
Lovitz - Johnson - Osorio - Babouli
Hamilton - Gio

Kamp Berg
06-21-2016, 09:07 AM
It's kind of too bad that Cheyrou played on Saturday. I think he was critical to the youngsters play against Montreal. He adds such a level of calm to the midfield, I'm not sure if Johnson will have as positive an effect.

Red CB Toronto
06-21-2016, 09:13 AM
It will be interesting to see for sure. I just wonder with only two days between games and an upcoming road game match how Greg does handle the player rotation.


I do expect to see some squad rotation but I also expect us to prioritize this match, we need to come out and get a lead.

Voyageurs cup is something that have put a large emphasis on this season so I would be shocked if we didn't see many mostly starters (johnson not starting saturday was likely to keep him 100% fresh for this game).

My expected 11:

Irwin
Beitashour - Hagglund - Perquis - Morgan
Lovitz - Johnson - Osorio - Babouli
Hamilton - Gio

Pint
06-21-2016, 09:21 AM
It will be interesting to see for sure. I just wonder with only two days between games and an upcoming road game match how Greg does handle the player rotation.

I'm sure he would have loved to have Cheyrou available but i don't see it happening on 2 days rest. If we go with a full B lineup at some point over this trip i would expect it to be in Orlando.

It appears you have some sight into the front office of the team so you must know the desire they have to get back into Champions League.

PopePouri
06-21-2016, 09:25 AM
I'm sure he would have loved to have Cheyrou available but i don't see it happening on 2 days rest. If we go with a full B lineup at some point over this trip i would expect it to be in Orlando.

I expect we play a 4-2-3-1 because we'll rest Cheyrou but I still think Vanney needs to put out a strong lineup to get the result at home.

michaeltfc91
06-21-2016, 09:38 AM
Play your best lineup to win this game by 2+. Winning the Canadian Championship and losing to Orlando on Saturday would be fantastic with me. All you are losing is a road game which you likely wouldn't win anyway, I don't know why we would sacrifice the Canadian Championship for that

Red CB Toronto
06-21-2016, 09:45 AM
I'm sure he would have loved to have Cheyrou available but i don't see it happening on 2 days rest. If we go with a full B lineup at some point over this trip i would expect it to be in Orlando.

It appears you have some sight into the front office of the team so you must know the desire they have to get back into Champions League.

I totally know the desire they have for making it back to Champions League, its huge in Bill Manning's eyes, its important for this team to play big games and it does help with future growth. With limited roster sizes in this league I really hope with only two days between games does not come back to bite them in the ass. I would think Greg has already has in mind his expectations for each player and when he may make changes throughout the game.

Pint
06-21-2016, 09:51 AM
I totally know the desire they have for making it back to Champions League, its huge in Bill Manning's eyes, its important for this team to play big games and it does help with future growth. With limited roster sizes in this league I really hope with only two days between games does not come back to bite them in the ass. I would think Greg has already has in mind his expectations for each player and when he may make changes throughout the game.

Could see it on sat, like clock work he got Endoh and Hamilton out of the game as well as not starting Babouli and Johnson... I forgot about Endoh, i should probably adjust my projected starting lineup.

Red CB Toronto
06-21-2016, 10:01 AM
Could see it on sat, like clock work he got Endoh and Hamilton out of the game as well as not starting Babouli and Johnson... I forgot about Endoh, i should probably adjust my projected starting lineup.

I agree, I just got a little curious about the approach when I heard about some of these TFC2 short term callups.

flatpicker
06-21-2016, 10:03 AM
I admit, I forgot there was a game tonight.
I'm not used to having games within a few days of each other.
Plus it's a Tuesday, which just seems strange.
Good thing I didn't go making plans already!

OgtheDim
06-21-2016, 10:07 AM
FWIW

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cletx1aWIAApco3.jpg


Doubtful we see that back line.

VCWC has a lot of speed. Endoh would be useful

jloome
06-21-2016, 10:21 AM
I expect we play a 4-2-3-1 because we'll rest Cheyrou but I still think Vanney needs to put out a strong lineup to get the result at home.

Will Johnson's coming off a knock; maybe we'll see Cheyrou tonight and Johnson on the weekend.

Be nice to see Edwards up top with Gio even if they're the same type of mazy player. I think that kid is going places. His third gear and tight control is quite something.

Auzzy
06-21-2016, 10:23 AM
I admit, I forgot there was a game tonight.
I'm not used to having games within a few days of each other.
Plus it's a Tuesday, which just seems strange.
Good thing I didn't go making plans already!

Thank the Argos for this Tuesday game. :-|

Jpexxx
06-21-2016, 12:26 PM
I might be the only one pumped its a tuesday game!

I hope Gio starts. A big home win to take back to Van would be massive

Lennon
06-21-2016, 02:55 PM
I hope we can get 45 mins out of Cheyrou. He's been immense ever since we lost Bradley to Copa America. Hope to see a strong lineup. Keeping a clean sheet is vital.

Areathrasher
06-21-2016, 03:08 PM
Perquis latest instagram post makes it sound like he wont play

https://www.instagram.com/p/BG7MIfkAKfV/?taken-by=damien.perquis24

bigredone
06-21-2016, 03:15 PM
Someone at the TFC photo department has a sense of humour. Well played.

http://images.fans.mlse.com/EloquaImages/clients/MapleLeafSportsEntertainmentLtd/%7bda91d54a-b0c5-4151-8e5b-3304767f0504%7d_TFC_-_Amway_Finals_Championship_2016_Ticket.jpg

This will be the night of my life if true!:):)

Cashcleaner
06-21-2016, 03:16 PM
Pretty sure this will be the first time I've ever seen a TFC game on a Tuesday. Really hope Gio and Endoh both get the start. Not sure how accurate that projected Staring XI is gonna be, but as others have said up top, Manning has prioritized the Champions League so you know we're not going to take this game lightly. That said, Vancouver hasn't been doing so great lately. Their result against Ottawa two weeks ago was the only win they've had since the 4-3 victory against us back on May 14th. Who knows if they're coming in hungry for a win or just hoping to get the tourney over with so they can get back to concentrating on the league? Either way, hoping for a good result tonight. Would love to see a TFC goalfest.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 04:46 PM
Play your best lineup to win this game by 2+. Winning the Canadian Championship and losing to Orlando on Saturday would be fantastic with me. All you are losing is a road game which you likely wouldn't win anyway, I don't know why we would sacrifice the Canadian Championship for that

This.
+1000

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 04:51 PM
Anyone knows about some streams for this game?
It's not on the schedule of http://giostreams.eu . :(

jimiv
06-21-2016, 04:56 PM
Yeah it sucks for me too. Tuesday nights are no good for me. Wednesday would have been great. Oh well.

Ugh... wish I could make it down tonight but just can't get down on weeknights. Too bad they can't coordinate the Voyageur's cup games around bye weekends?

Alonso
06-21-2016, 04:58 PM
Anyone knows about some streams for this game?
It's not on the schedule of http://giostreams.eu . :(


Usually good streams here: http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/423064_toronto_vancouver/

Greatest Ripoff
06-21-2016, 05:00 PM
Anyone knows about some streams for this game?
It's not on the schedule of http://giostreams.eu . :(

You can also just looks for streams of TSN 1.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 05:09 PM
Usually good streams here: http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/423064_toronto_vancouver/

Thanks man! :hump:
You have a virtual six-pack from me... Just virtual, because I'm living in NJ.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 05:22 PM
You can also just looks for streams of TSN 1.
It's a very nice quality stream here:
http://www.sportstvstream.me/tsn-1-live-stream/

Another virtual six-pack goes to you. :hump:

portu
06-21-2016, 05:27 PM
Can't wait for this game, first time at BMO since I had to dump my season tickets! So pumped! Need to come out at full force and put this to bed tonight!

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 05:31 PM
I do expect to see some squad rotation but I also expect us to prioritize this match, we need to come out and get a lead.

Voyageurs cup is something that have put a large emphasis on this season so I would be shocked if we didn't see many mostly starters (johnson not starting saturday was likely to keep him 100% fresh for this game).

My expected 11:

Irwin
Beitashour - Hagglund - Perquis - Morgan
Lovitz - Johnson - Osorio - Babouli
Hamilton - Gio

TFC website said Morgan is injured and not available. It's too bad, he was really effective versus Montreal

OgtheDim
06-21-2016, 05:35 PM
Skycam set up. Probably for the Argo game but would be interesting if they used it like they do at SKC.

ronzilla
06-21-2016, 05:36 PM
You might want to bookmark this site. Makes it easier to find streams.
http://www.bestsportstreaming.com/

OgtheDim
06-21-2016, 05:40 PM
If this crowd beats 15k,I'd be surprised. Lightest pre game opening gate crowd I've see since some ccl games.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 05:51 PM
If this crowd beats 15k,I'd be surprised. Lightest pre game opening gate crowd I've see since some ccl games.

It's normal.
Only the super hardcore TFC fans may go to this game.

Too much high quality footy to watch these days (Euro + Copa America).

Onyx
06-21-2016, 06:12 PM
Vancouver line up is a real mix

A USL squad with their 3 best first team players

Tornaghi;
Aird, Waston, Kah, Adekugbe;
McKendry, Teibert;
Bolaņos, Morales, Davies;
Rivero

molenshtain
06-21-2016, 06:23 PM
wow, they're even playing the 15 year old. They must really think highly of him.

jloome
06-21-2016, 06:41 PM
wow, they're even playing the 15 year old. They must really think highly of him.

Kid will be in the EPL in a few years.

Alonso
06-21-2016, 06:45 PM
Cheyrou starting thank you

James17930
06-21-2016, 06:46 PM
It's a very nice quality stream here:
http://www.sportstvstream.me/tsn-1-live-stream/

Another virtual six-pack goes to you. :hump:

This stream is on the wrong TSN channel at the moment.

This one's working:

http://cricfree.sx/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-live-streaming

Alonso
06-21-2016, 06:48 PM
Damn Clint!!!

James17930
06-21-2016, 06:49 PM
Damn Clint!!!

Love this guy.

Alonso
06-21-2016, 06:50 PM
Johnson and Giovinco with early lapses of concentration

Kaz
06-21-2016, 06:58 PM
I didn't notice it on Saturday... why is there a big blue wall in the south end.

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:00 PM
So glad DeVos is not talking right now

Lowndes94
06-21-2016, 07:06 PM
I don't know why Giovinco still takes corners. He's been dreadful all year.

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 07:08 PM
This stream is on the wrong TSN channel at the moment.

This one's working:

http://cricfree.sx/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-live-streaming

Thanks.
This one is buffering for 5-10 seconds after any 45-50 seconds, but nothing else is working for me.

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:10 PM
Loving this game so far!

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:11 PM
That was some great last ditch defence right there!

notthesun
06-21-2016, 07:12 PM
I hope Edwards can get off the bench second half.

James17930
06-21-2016, 07:14 PM
Thanks.
This one is buffering for 5-10 seconds after any 45-50 seconds, but nothing else is working for me.

Yeah, it's been slow today. Normally it's fine.

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:17 PM
Sutton is a breath of fresh air.


Calm, cool, unbiased analysis.

molenshtain
06-21-2016, 07:19 PM
Is this Sutton's second job during the summer? Is he still head coach at Concordia?

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:25 PM
Damn Babouli is creative!

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 07:29 PM
Unbelievable... how useless is this team without Seba...

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:30 PM
Is this Sutton's second job during the summer? Is he still head coach at Concordia?


Not sure really...


According to Wiki yes: "On May 7, 2013, it was announced that Sutton would become the head coach of the Concordia University's men's soccer team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordia_Stingers).[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Sutton_(soccer)#cite_note-11) He had been an assistant coach with the team since 2011."

molenshtain
06-21-2016, 07:32 PM
Unbelievable... how useless is this team without Seba...


Yeah, cuz no one else can hit a ball straight at a defender quite like Seba.


He's an amazing player and we're very lucky to have him, but give due credit to the rest of the roster. Even without him it's still a proper squad.

ronzilla
06-21-2016, 07:33 PM
Where is Perquis ?????????????

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 07:36 PM
Yeah, cuz no one else can hit a ball straight at a defender quite like Seba.


He's an amazing player and we're very lucky to have him, but give due credit to the rest of the roster. Even without him it's still a proper squad.

My stream is almost unwatchable (1/3 of the time is buffering), so I was multitasking while the game is on, watching just with "half eye", but what I understood is that the shitecaps had more chances. Maybe not?

molenshtain
06-21-2016, 07:38 PM
My stream is almost unwatchable (1/3 of the time is buffering), so I was multitasking while the game is on, watching just with "half eye", but what I understood is that the shitecaps had more chances. Maybe not?


Depends what you call chances. Neither team had much of anything going for it in that half.

ronzilla
06-21-2016, 07:39 PM
My stream is almost unwatchable (1/3 of the time is buffering), so I was multitasking while the game is on, watching just with "half eye", but what I understood is that the shitecaps had more chances. Maybe not?


Try this its working good.
http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-live-streaming

Alonso
06-21-2016, 07:44 PM
My stream is almost unwatchable (1/3 of the time is buffering), so I was multitasking while the game is on, watching just with "half eye", but what I understood is that the shitecaps had more chances. Maybe not?


It was very tight.

Offensive pressure from both sides. Lot's of turnovers mostly from TFC.

Great defence from both sides also.


TFC scrambled and made very last minute defensive cover ups to save the game. *(I'd rather they not get to that point but will take the save in the end with a smile).

Vancouver weren't as fortunate as Seba made them pay on their scramble!

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 07:45 PM
Try this its working good.
http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-live-streaming

I was watching at http://cricfree.sx/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-live-streaming.
Strange, there is one with "sx" and one with "tv".

I'm trying now the 'tv" but it looks it's still always buffering. :(

PizzaEatingYeti
06-21-2016, 07:47 PM
I must admit, after watching so many Euro games these days in those superb stadiums, BMO looks very weird with that super high and open back canopy, and that one side open...

James17930
06-21-2016, 07:50 PM
Try this its working good.
http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps-live-streaming

This one's lagging now too.

mr k
06-21-2016, 07:53 PM
Kid will be in the EPL in a few years.

The hype has started with Davies. On the Voyageurs board, they say he has the moves of Pogba with the footwork of Hazard.

So far he has shown he isn't like your typical Canadian youth player who tend to have bad first touches, don't have enough football iq to be positioned properly and only have really 1 good attribute such as speed.

Yohan
06-21-2016, 07:59 PM
http://gofirstrow.eu/watch/444446/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-vancouver-whitecaps.html

molenshtain
06-21-2016, 08:00 PM
The hype has started with Davies. On the Voyageurs board, they say he has the moves of Pogba with the footwork of Hazard.

So far he has shown he isn't like your typical Canadian youth player who tend to have bad first touches, don't have enough football iq to be positioned properly and only have really 1 good attribute such as speed.

His Technique, positional awareness and physical attributes are off the fucking charts for someone his age. I hate to hype up kids too early, especially a 15 year old, but this kid has got something special about him.

Onyx
06-21-2016, 08:07 PM
The hype has started with Davies. On the Voyageurs board, they say he has the moves of Pogba with the footwork of Hazard.

So far he has shown he isn't like your typical Canadian youth player who tend to have bad first touches, don't have enough football iq to be positioned properly and only have really 1 good attribute such as speed.

he should be playing with their MLS squad .. so confident on the ball

GhostKiller
06-21-2016, 08:17 PM
Does anyone know when Jozy is expected to return?

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 08:23 PM
Babouli needs to come off. Two giveaways in last two minutes.

shwade
06-21-2016, 08:25 PM
Where is Perquis ?????????????

Yeah wtf..hope it's nothing weird, don't remember an injury being mentioned. He hasn't started in a while and he's been so good this season.

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 08:26 PM
WTF Morrow? His crosses were that poor on Saturday too. He's off this season.

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 08:27 PM
Yeah wtf..hope it's nothing weird, don't remember an injury being mentioned. He hasn't started in a while and he's been so good this season.

I think he is going to be traded. It makes no sense otherwise. ( reply to WTF Perquis?)

flamehawk
06-21-2016, 08:28 PM
I really wanted to see Edwards come on :(

molenshtain
06-21-2016, 08:29 PM
Yeah wtf..hope it's nothing weird, don't remember an injury being mentioned. He hasn't started in a while and he's been so good this season.


He had the one really bad game against the Whitecaps a month ago right before the first V-cup game. I thought he warranted being dropped for a game or two just for the sake of resting him - he's 32 now and he looked like he needed a break after that game - but not playing him in over a month seems like a lot. My theory is Vanney views a lot of these games as inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and is putting Zavaleta and Hagglund in the shop window right before the transfer window opens to boost their potential value.

Or Vanney dropped him because Vanney doesn't like what he's seeing out of him. Who's to say, really.

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 08:34 PM
He had the one really bad game against the Whitecaps a month ago right before the first V-cup game. I thought he warranted being dropped for a game or two just for the sake of resting him - he's 32 now and he looked like he needed a break after that game - but not playing him in over a month seems like a lot. My theory is Vanney views a lot of these games as inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and is putting Zavaleta and Hagglund in the shop window right before the transfer window opens to boost their potential value.

Or Vanney dropped him because Vanney doesn't like what he's seeing out of him. Who's to say, really.

quite possible, all of it. But I like his passion and think we need that.

Onyx
06-21-2016, 08:35 PM
MLS/CCL is soooooo tough to watch after watching Copa and Euro all week ... especially after watching spain earlier in day.

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 08:36 PM
I'd like to see that handball again. Sure looked deliberate.

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 08:37 PM
MLS/CCL is soooooo tough to watch after watching Copa and Euro all week ... especially after watching spain earlier in day.

spain lost. TFC won.

notthesun
06-21-2016, 08:37 PM
Could've been more but the big thing is not allowing an away goal. We steal a goal next week and we're probably good.

GhostKiller
06-21-2016, 08:42 PM
All around a pretty poor game other then Cheyrou and our back 4, and Irwin. I'm glad we came away with something because I'm not sure we deserved to.
Also a bit concerned with Osorio's drop in play.

Kaz
06-21-2016, 08:46 PM
Where is Perquis ?????????????

I'm pretty sure there was a comment about him being injured in Training.. (someone was anyway)


with this team who knows.

MightyDM
06-21-2016, 09:05 PM
I'm pretty sure there was a comment about him being injured in Training.. (someone was anyway)


with this team who knows.

They mentioned Morgan Lovitz and Altidore as hurt on the clubs website, but not Perquis.

portu
06-21-2016, 09:11 PM
I'm pretty sure there was a comment about him being injured in Training.. (someone was anyway)


with this team who knows.
Molinaro said he wasn't injured, but that he was "banged up" whatever that means

Cashcleaner
06-21-2016, 09:22 PM
I watched this game away from my regular spot, had tickets up in 226. Gotta admit, it's a completely different game when you see the field from up high. Honestly, with the pressure we were putting on in the second half, I was really expecting a result of at least 2-0 for Toronto.

Not sure how different things would have been if we had Altidore, Perquis, and others on the pitch. Glad for the win above everything else, more glad we racked up another clean sheet.

ManUtd4ever
06-21-2016, 09:40 PM
We were much better in the second half. Crisp ball movement but couldn't deliver that final touch. Irwin was sharp when called upon.

A draw or a one goal loss if we score in the second leg gets us into the CCL. Not a bad position to be in at all.

OgtheDim
06-21-2016, 10:08 PM
A game to be at the stadium for. Defence solid. Moor with another good game. Rather be us than them. Score one and they need 3.

Weak link to me was Delgado. Cheyrou had a great game. Johnson and him make a good midfield partnership.

bigredone
06-21-2016, 10:33 PM
Molinaro said he wasn't injured, but that he was "banged up" whatever that means

After a wild day watching Poland beat Ukraine, Perquis is "banged up"!

Davenport
06-21-2016, 10:37 PM
Molinaro said he wasn't injured, but that he was "banged up" whatever that means

In Britain it means he's in jail. So that's the reason he couldn't play.

Cashcleaner
06-21-2016, 11:12 PM
We were much better in the second half. Crisp ball movement but couldn't deliver that final touch. Irwin was sharp when called upon.

A draw or a one goal loss if we score in the second leg gets us into the CCL. Not a bad position to be in at all.

For sure we played a much better game in the last 45. Some are saying online that Vancouver dominated the first half, though, and I don't think I necessarily agree with that. I can think of a good 20 minute stretch at the beginning of the game where they were playing very aggressively, but TFC eventually tightened things up and started to play proactively before the half.

Anyone else kinda unimpressed with Johnson? I didn't pay much attention to him but my partner who came with me thought he was really off tonight. Cheyrou had a good game, though, as well as the usual suspects (Gio, Irwin, etc).

SirBobSaget
06-21-2016, 11:15 PM
Perquis seemed super ecstatic when Seba went over to subs to celebrate goal on Saturday. I don't think Perquis is being left out for any other reason than he does have some minor injuries that eed time to recover.

mistercorporate
06-21-2016, 11:31 PM
For sure we played a much better game in the last 45. Some are saying online that Vancouver dominated the first half, though, and I don't think I necessarily agree with that. I can think of a good 20 minute stretch at the beginning of the game where they were playing very aggressively, but TFC eventually tightened things up and started to play proactively before the half.

Anyone else kinda unimpressed with Johnson? I didn't pay much attention to him but my partner who came with me thought he was really off tonight. Cheyrou had a good game, though, as well as the usual suspects (Gio, Irwin, etc).

Johnson is a monster, keeps the opposition honest with his aggressive midfield play, weak at finishing lately, unfortunately.

Derko
06-22-2016, 06:26 AM
All around a pretty poor game other then Cheyrou and our back 4, and Irwin. I'm glad we came away with something because I'm not sure we deserved to.
Also a bit concerned with Osorio's drop in play.

Always looking to lay the ball off to Seba, he has no confidence in his own abilities, he needs to be dropped down to the bench for a spell.

Derko
06-22-2016, 06:32 AM
A game to be at the stadium for. Defence solid. Moor with another good game. Rather be us than them. Score one and they need 3.

Weak link to me was Delgado. Cheyrou had a great game. Johnson and him make a good midfield partnership.

And Osorio, both should have been subbed off at about 60 minutes. And for me Hamilton seems somewhat slow or lazy.

Oblio2
06-22-2016, 07:26 AM
That could easily have been 4-0
I hope the misses dont bite us in the 2nd leg

Parkdale
06-22-2016, 08:09 AM
Good thing I didn't go making plans already!

you would have had to cancel them ;)

Parkdale
06-22-2016, 08:12 AM
Cheyrou had a great game.

Cheyrou just gets so much out of the team. He sets up Gio like no one else seems to do (ahem, Bradley)

Oldtimer
06-22-2016, 08:26 AM
I really liked the crisp passing, the lightly weighted forward passes, the diagonal passing. The finishing at the final third left a lot to be desired, though, even by Giovinco.

Too small a lead to feel a lot of comfort for the second leg, but at least no away goals were allowed.

TFC Tifoso
06-22-2016, 08:31 AM
good enough result (no goals conceded), though there is still everything to play for in leg 2....

though Giovinco was a wee bit selfish on the ball......I counted 3 times at least where he took the ball almost all the way across the box looking for an opening to shoot.....incredible skill to keep control of it like that though.....he looked like he expected a hat trick from himself.....

Should be mentioned that despite Vancouver not looking too dangerous overall, Irwin had to come up HUGE the couple of times they did....he had a great game....

Joe Kool
06-22-2016, 08:32 AM
Vancouver players seem to be ok with the result saying now they are going back home to their stadium. Problem for them is that TFC is not the Ottawa Fury. They shouldn't be so overconfident at home. I think the MLS game where they got the sudden goals against us when our defence's brains turned off briefly made them overconfident going into last night too thinking they were going to do it again. Let them be overconfident. We can just go into Vancouver and put on another good defensive performance and expose them on the counter. Montreal was ok with 4-2 loss in the first leg too going back to their home turf. Look how it worked out for them. I don't get why teams seem ok with losing the first leg. Probably it is just all talk for the media.

MightyDM
06-22-2016, 08:46 AM
FWIW:

The good:

Atmosphere in the stadium for a Tuesday, but let's hope there are no more. This is a soccer first stadium, supposedly.

Gio was much improved over Saturday, using his team for more. Could distribute even better, but it was good to see him adjust.

Cherou immense.

Back four plus Irwin all had good defensive games. I though they completely neutralized Vancouver.

Osorio's ability to find the pass when in tight circumstances.

The bad:

Delgado was losing possession unnecessarily often, typically carelessly.

Morrow couldn't cross and find a team mate. And why are we hitting high crosses into the box with Gio and Babouli at striker?

Babouli ran out of gas and should have been subbed earlier. He and Endoh weren't as effective as normal, but glad they are getting minutes.

Ultra & Proud
06-22-2016, 08:47 AM
And Osorio, both should have been subbed off at about 60 minutes. And for me Hamilton seems somewhat slow or lazy.
Agree with Osorio. If he was American, he'd be called out for his invisibility and/or poor decisions in matches like Delgado is. FWIW I say Delgado is better. At least I see him more often on the pitch, he does some good things tracking back, and he can pot the occasional goal. I see nothing from Osorio except the occasional decent pass and whole lot of extra, unnecessary touches on any ball he gets anywhere near the box.

Hamilton is out of his depth. His poaching instincts can probably bag a goal here or there but he is out of position a lot, seems like he is a step behind everyone else when it comes knowing where to be, and for a sort of large guy he looks mighty feeble. Seba has more hold up play than him.

Babouli is also 50/50 for me but I would stick with him as there is more upside probably than any of the players mentioned above. He does a lot of good things in a game, especially early. Unfortunately when it gets tight he will be the weak link with short passes and bad decisions that lead to cheap giveaways. He is a good first half guy or even better as a sub if you're chasing a goal.

C.Ronaldo
06-22-2016, 09:06 AM
FWIW:

The good:

Atmosphere in the stadium for a Tuesday, but let's hope there are no more. This is a soccer first stadium, supposedly.

Gio was much improved over Saturday, using his team for more. Could distribute even better, but it was good to see him adjust.

Cherou immense.

Back four plus Irwin all had good defensive games. I though they completely neutralized Vancouver.

Osorio's ability to find the pass when in tight circumstances.

The bad:

Delgado was losing possession unnecessarily often, typically carelessly.

Morrow couldn't cross and find a team mate. And why are we hitting high crosses into the box with Gio and Babouli at striker?

Babouli ran out of gas and should have been subbed earlier. He and Endoh weren't as effective as normal, but glad they are getting minutes.

you forgot to add under Cons the new Argos Sign

OgtheDim
06-22-2016, 09:06 AM
Wow just 3 weeks ago Babouli and Hamilton and Osorio were all wonderful great players against Montreal- now they are not good enough?


Osorio positionally is better then Delgado. He rarely gets found out of place. One thing where he is better then Delgado is he no longer feels the need to always take a touch before deciding what to do. For North Americans, that only comes with game experience.
Where he needs to be better is in finding space between the lines. If he is going to be at the top of the diamond, he needs to find that space. Endoh does that, which is why Endoh went to the AM slot when he came on in a 4-4-1-1.

As for Hamilton last night, he played what...12 minutes? He was asked to play a shuttler forward position in a 4-4-1-1 where he acts as the defensive forward but also as the hold up man - Altidore is good at that but it takes time to get used to where people are. He needs to get used to Seba - and he will if he gets minutes. He looked more confident then he has before.

I cut Endoh, Baboulli and Hamilton a lot of slack right now cause they are really all rookies (Hamilton has played so little at this level).

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BTW, was anybody else scared to see Hagglund as RB? Too many memories of Dallas. I'd rather Williams out there.

C.Ronaldo
06-22-2016, 09:11 AM
why is Baboulli getting slack, besides running out of gas (Vanney should have subbed him earlier) he was one of the few sparks out there.

Hell, he knocked over the Defense when he deeked left. Wish he scored that one for the highlight reel

Pint
06-22-2016, 09:12 AM
Where was Perquis?

Is he injured or are they solving the cap issue and CB log jam by transferring him back to Europe

Oldtimer
06-22-2016, 09:18 AM
Where was Perquis?

Is he injured or are they solving the cap issue and CB log jam by transferring him back to Europe

Neither. Vanney is managing playing time by rotation.

Areathrasher
06-22-2016, 09:20 AM
Where was Perquis?

Is he injured or are they solving the cap issue and CB log jam by transferring him back to Europe

My gut feeling says something is up there.

Pint
06-22-2016, 09:23 AM
My gut feeling says something is up there.

Same, it doesn't make a ton of sense for him to not start in either game or not be on the bench yesterday.

Maybe he picked up a knock in training?

MartinUtd
06-22-2016, 09:27 AM
In Britain it means he's in jail. So that's the reason he couldn't play.

Knew this would happen ever since there was grass at BMO.

Areathrasher
06-22-2016, 09:29 AM
Same, it doesn't make a ton of sense for him to not start in either game or not be on the bench yesterday.

Maybe he picked up a knock in training?

He hasn't played a min since the loss to the Red Bulls and has been playing cheerleader on instagram. For such a big ticket salary player, it's all very strange to me. No official announcement/declaration on him being injured or rested. Just stuff like the below, maybe they are holding him out of the team as he has a move lined up?
https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/745407501273702402

MartinUtd
06-22-2016, 09:30 AM
BTW, was anybody else scared to see Hagglund as RB? Too many memories of Dallas. I'd rather Williams out there.

Yeah, I was. But in the end I thought he handled it well.

Pint
06-22-2016, 09:33 AM
He hasn't played a min since the loss to the Red Bulls and has been playing cheerleader on instagram. For such a big ticket salary player, it's all very strange to me. No official announcement/declaration on him being injured or rested. Just stuff like the below, maybe they are holding him out of the team as he has a move lined up?
https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/745407501273702402

Would make sense and between him and Gomez we would have a fair amount of room to work with (prorated 500k ish?)

mr k
06-22-2016, 10:42 AM
So this what Van city is doing in their 4 days in Toronto. Carl Robinson on TSN now as analyst with DeVos for Euros.

Ultra & Proud
06-22-2016, 11:05 AM
maybe they are holding him out of the team as he has a move lined up?
Wasn't there a rumor a little over a month ago about a lower table French team being interested in him?

Areathrasher
06-22-2016, 11:16 AM
Wasn't there a rumor a little over a month ago about a lower table French team being interested in him?

I recall the Bordeaux rumor from the offseason but nothing more recent.

shwade
06-22-2016, 11:24 AM
Ugh right when we finally have a stable back line...Perquis better not be going anywhere.

PopePouri
06-22-2016, 11:36 AM
Ugh right when we finally have a stable back line...Perquis better not be going anywhere.

3 clean sheets out of 4 with Zavaleta in the lineup. That came after Perquis was poor against Vancouver and NYRB. We then have decent backups with Williams and Hagglund.

Ultra & Proud
06-22-2016, 12:43 PM
I recall the Bordeaux rumor from the offseason but nothing more recent.
Maybe that was it. Seemed more recent to me for some reason.

If he goes, he goes. I won't be too upset about it. The understudies have all looked okay in their time out there which tells me the system is working and we don't need to rely on individuals alone anymore.

Ultra & Proud
06-22-2016, 12:44 PM
3 clean sheets out of 4 with Zavaleta in the lineup. That came after Perquis was poor against Vancouver and NYRB. We then have decent backups with Williams and Hagglund.
Agreed plus we could use the free cap space and any allocation that would come from a move. That MLS money would mean a lot more to this team in the second half than having a vet sitting on the bench.

hulkrogan
06-22-2016, 01:01 PM
That 2nd half was so so much better.

I also don't understand why Babouli gets piled on. He can actually work the ball out of an occasional 1 v 3 and draws a lot of opposition attention and takes away time with his hustle. Hate the hair, really starting to like the player.

How do people not show up to watch a cup final? That attendance was just depressing.

And this team needs to figure out a game plan on corners. They are blowing opportunity after opportunity without anything even remotely close to an attempt on goal. Giovinco's free kicks were finally starting to look a bit better tonight, but Babouli's corner delivery has looked a lot better. Bradley can't come back soon enough.

Ultra & Proud
06-22-2016, 01:07 PM
I also don't understand why Babouli gets piled on. He can actually work the ball out of an occasional 1 v 3 and draws a lot of opposition attention and takes away time with his hustle.

My only problem with him is that right there. Doing that is good of course but at the right times. Last night he tried it in the last 10 minutes, in the TFC end and lost the ball and gave up a scoring chance. It's all learning curve stuff but trying 1 v 3's in your own end while hanging on to an important clean sheet is not smart. But other than getting gassed fairly early in matches and the occasional bad decision, I rate him higher than all our other current home grown prospects. If he can ever manage to net a few goals then we'd be talking.

Areathrasher
06-22-2016, 01:23 PM
Maybe that was it. Seemed more recent to me for some reason.

If he goes, he goes. I won't be too upset about it. The understudies have all looked okay in their time out there which tells me the system is working and we don't need to rely on individuals alone anymore.

Agreed. Quite content with a Moor/Zavs partnership.

MightyDM
06-22-2016, 02:52 PM
That 2nd half was so so much better.

I also don't understand why Babouli gets piled on. He can actually work the ball out of an occasional 1 v 3 and draws a lot of opposition attention and takes away time with his hustle. Hate the hair, really starting to like the player.

How do people not show up to watch a cup final? That attendance was just depressing.

And this team needs to figure out a game plan on corners. They are blowing opportunity after opportunity without anything even remotely close to an attempt on goal. Giovinco's free kicks were finally starting to look a bit better tonight, but Babouli's corner delivery has looked a lot better. Bradley can't come back soon enough.

In the stadium, the attendance looked pretty good, particularly for a tuesday

MightyDM
06-22-2016, 02:54 PM
Agreed. Quite content with a Moor/Zavs partnership.

Hagglund was excellent v Montreal in the first round. Including Drogba. He deserves a shot too.

hulkrogan
06-22-2016, 03:26 PM
My only problem with him is that right there. Doing that is good of course but at the right times. Last night he tried it in the last 10 minutes, in the TFC end and lost the ball and gave up a scoring chance. It's all learning curve stuff but trying 1 v 3's in your own end while hanging on to an important clean sheet is not smart. But other than getting gassed fairly early in matches and the occasional bad decision, I rate him higher than all our other current home grown prospects. If he can ever manage to net a few goals then we'd be talking.

I should have added "In advanced positions".

Agreed there is some maturing to do there that will lead to better decision making, hopefully.

Blizzard
06-22-2016, 05:03 PM
why is Baboulli getting slack, besides running out of gas (Vanney should have subbed him earlier) he was one of the few sparks out there.

Hell, he knocked over the Defense when he deeked left. Wish he scored that one for the highlight reel

Agreed. He's going to keep on getting better.

BTW, that was Fraser Aird! LOL

boozilla
06-23-2016, 01:42 AM
Had to watch on TSN and suffer through Vic Rauter.
• TFC played a more attractive football than in the Galaxy game.
• Lots of Croatia flags hijacking the occasion.

C.Ronaldo
06-23-2016, 09:23 AM
Had to watch on TSN and suffer through Vic Rauter.
• TFC played a more attractive football than in the Galaxy game.
• Lots of Croatia flags hijacking the occasion.

Wish I had the chance to toss Vic's or Devos' mic into the lake

Derko
06-23-2016, 01:01 PM
Wish I had the chance to toss Vic's or Devos' mic into the lake

Vic could get a bit more enthusiastic, and well Jason can just fuck off

Auzzy
06-23-2016, 01:51 PM
Had to watch on TSN and suffer through Vic Rauter.


Joe Vin Co! Argh.....