Match Day 13 - I'll Be With You In the Hour - TFC @ NYRB Sat May 28 7 pm

[OgtheDim]

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Have at It People

[Lennon]

Rest anyone that's not 100%, give Chapman another undeserved start. We have a bigger game on Wednesday.

[jloome]

Rest anyone that's not 100%, give Chapman another undeserved start. We have a bigger game on Wednesday.

He's soooo not ready. I don't think they even know what his best position is yet. Given how often he was left trying to figure out what was going on -- right up to marking the man standing right in front of him, at one point -- I think it maybe does more harm than good at this point. He needs more USL time or a loan.

Lovitz on the other hand has really come along.

Why haven't we seen Edwards yet?

[reggie]

i think that our 2 best young canadian mids play for tfc 2.edwards and johnson.

[notthesun]

He's soooo not ready. I don't think they even know what his best position is yet. Given how often he was left trying to figure out what was going on -- right up to marking the man standing right in front of him, at one point -- I think it maybe does more harm than good at this point. He needs more USL time or a loan.

Lovitz on the other hand has really come along.

Why haven't we seen Edwards yet?

Agree, I would consider giving Chapman a permanent loan to TFC II. As for Edwards, he needs an MLS contract first. I'm curious if they're considering it. It kind of depends on whether we plan to make any moves to shore up our attacking depth (as in trades or transfers). I think he's been better for TFC II this year than Babouli was last year.

[MightyDM]

Chapman deserves some patience. He looked very good in the TFC II matches I watched last year, and he wouldn't be up if the club hadn't seen that themselves.

[OgtheDim]

Chapman is a backup right now. He's behind Osorio, Delgado and Endoh. If two of them are available, Chapman won't play. Its good he's gotten minutes that he can learn from. We'll see if he can apply those lessons in the Voyageurs.

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This is going to be the same approach as we did in the first game - absorb and counter. Only difference is Cheyrou moves into the Bradley role. As much as some would like us to focus on the Voyageur's, thats not going to happen.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Let's win 8-nil for Pirlo.

[Detroit_TFC]

Let's win 8-nil for Pirlo.

In the interests of creating maximum chaos in the league, please Soccer Gods, let this happen.

1-1 draw? Eehhhh that's ok too.

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/735143008329334786

[michaeltfc91]

Giovinco Babouli
Osorio Cheyrou Johnson Delgado
Morrow Perquis Moor Beitashour
Irwin

Subs: Endoh, Lovitz, Morgan, Chapman, Williams, Zavaleta, Roberts

Still the front 6 is not the best without our two Americans, however it looks better than the lineup we put out the last couple matches

[barticusz]

I'm hoping that the reason Williams has been getting all these minutes lately is because we have some interest in him and teams wanted to see him perform. Sadly he got injured and we're still stuck with a glut of defenders.

All in all, glad to see Perquis back. Between him, Bradley and Cheyrou we have guys that can lob a great ball over to Giovinco.

[Ruffian]

If Cheyrou was not ready maybe Chris Mannella would have gotten a run in the defensive mid position. He has looked pretty consistent in that position for TFC2.

[General Woolfe]

Going to be a very tough game this. Not only are the Soft Drinks on a good run of form, they haven't been weakened by International call ups (I really thought Littlefinger would be in the US squad, but what do I know)

i fancy Vanney might revert to 4-5-1 for this game, but I still wonder if we have the quality to come away from New Jersey with anything. I hope Cheyrou is fit enough and can take Bradley's spot, but it could be a game too early. Right now I'd happily take a point from this game.

[Yohan]

Red Bulls finally got their CB pairing sorted which has been their biggest problem so far this season.

With TFC having so many question marks in the midfield, it will be tougher than TFC's first trip to RBA this season

[evthu]

This is probably obvious, but I am new to the forum and can't find it. What is the best way to purchase tickets in the away supporters section for this game?

[Fort York Redcoat]

This is probably obvious, but I am new to the forum and can't find it. What is the best way to purchase tickets in the away supporters section for this game?

calling jcplante g:D

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-StartingXI-052816.png

[Yohan]

FWIW

http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-StartingXI-052816.png
I look at this midfield and Red Bulls will just run over them. No depth at subs either. Going to be a rough game.

[Ruffian]

I thought Vanney said Cheyrou would be in this game.

[Pint]

I would probably go with Mannella over Chapman and start with 2 DM's with Oso central infront of them. Later in the game bring in chapman if we need an attacking option.

[OgtheDim]

I'm hoping its Cheyrou or Delgado over Chapman.

[Cashcleaner]

I look at this midfield and Red Bulls will just run over them. No depth at subs either. Going to be a rough game.

Really? I dunno. I'm not all that worried. I guess Chapman and Babouli still have the jury out on them, sure. And yeah, we've got limited options on the bench, but nothing I'm seeing here makes me want to throw in the towel, even when you consider Red Bull's crazy game against NYCFC last weekend.

[Yohan]

Really? I dunno. I'm not all that worried. I guess Chapman and Babouli still have the jury out on them, sure. And yeah, we've got limited options on the bench, but nothing I'm seeing here makes me want to throw in the towel, even when you consider Red Bull's crazy game against NYCFC last weekend.

We don't consistently play well against teams using high press. NYRB defenders will swarm Giovinco, esp now that they sorted out their CB situation. TFC midfield this Sat don't pass the ball well enough, esp with a lot of rookies and Will Johnson will have to carry the midfield while also doing the DM duty.

[SoccMan2]

Definitely a loss this is an easy game to predict this could get ugly 4-0 NYRB .

[DinamoTFC]

I bet we win this 1-0 miraculously. Every game I though tfc should have won easily (Colorado, whitecaps, nyc , columbus) we ended up dropping points. Maybe luck will favour us for a change.

[ronzilla]

2-0 win. Mo will get his first goal.

[Joe Kool]

I bet we win this 1-0 miraculously. Every game I though tfc should have won easily (Colorado, whitecaps, nyc , columbus) we ended up dropping points. Maybe luck will favour us for a change.

You have a point there and I am sure many of us had the same predictions you had. Just shows you nothing is impossible on any given day in this league.

[SydneyFC]

Can't see us winning this, 3-0 loss.

[C.Ronaldo]

MO will have a good game, hes progresing. Endoh i dont feel has progressed much since arriving, how do you fix consistency?

Chapmans orders better be to run yourself into the ground and then at half sub in cheyrou. I am not impressed with his effort the last couple of games

[shwade]

MO will have a good game, hes progresing. Endoh i dont feel has progressed much since arriving, how do you fix consistency?

Chapmans orders better be to run yourself into the ground and then at half sub in cheyrou. I am not impressed with his effort the last couple of games

He's waaaay out of his depth and often looks like he doesn't want to be anywhere near the action.

[MartinUtd]

Great news that Cheyrou is back, timing couldn't be better!

Will there be a contingent watching the game at Joe's? I'll be in town for Noisia that night and need somewhere to watch the game.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Great news that Cheyrou is back, timing couldn't be better!

Will there be a contingent watching the game at Joe's? I'll be in town for Noisia that night and need somewhere to watch the game.

Yep. At least a table or two. See you tomorrow, bud!

Hey I couldn't find the link to when Bradley joins team murica for that southern tourney and I don't see him in the projected 11. So...is he going for the last warm-up match tomorrow? :ack2:

[MartinUtd]

Awesome!

And I'd assume so. Not sure how reliable ESPN blogs are, but there's this:


Toronto will be without Michael Bradley, a boost for the home side. Without their midfield general, TFC will need the likes of Will Johnson and Jonathan Osorio to fill the void.

http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/19/blog/post/2881143/new-york-city-fc-didier-drogba-and-sebastian-giovinco-in-mls-w2w4

[Pint]

He is with the US squad for Copa already I believe

[OgtheDim]

FWIW, Jurgen actually played Bradley like TFC Bradley for the second half of a game on Wednesday night against Ecuador. He was VERY effective.

[MartinUtd]

FWIW, Jurgen actually played Bradley like TFC Bradley for the second half of a game on Wednesday night against Ecuador. He was VERY effective.

Did you watch the game? Anything in particular of note?

[OgtheDim]

Did you watch the game? Anything in particular of note?

I only watched the last 10 of the first half and the second half until just before the US scored a goal. Apparently in the first half they played the usual Bradley, Jones, Beckerman thing and it was a stone wall but not much else. Ecuador had a lot of possession but went nowhere. Yedlin is..significantly improved.

This article sums up things well about the second half. I'm not a USMNT fan by any means but I do track just to see how MLS guys are involved and how TFC players are being used.


http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2016/05/the-usmnt-tripped-and-fell-into-a-formation-that-could-change-things/

[C.Ronaldo]

Did you watch the game? Anything in particular of note?
https://youtu.be/zH-D4BN1isI

one minute into the highlight video , Bradley with a sweet cross and good defensive work to take away an almost 1 on 1

[Fort York Redcoat]

He is with the US squad for Copa already I believe

Wow. Ok so fuck Copa, then.

Go Willy Johnson!:canada:

[Pint]

Wow. Ok so fuck Copa, then.

Go Willy Johnson!:canada:

He also misses the home game of Vcup but it's okay because he reps us.

[Yohan]

Thought Bradley did well in 2nd half vs Ecuador. Good through balls that ripped Ecuador Defence open

[OgtheDim]

FWIW, a New York perspective

http://www.empireofsoccer.com/preview-new-york-red-bulls-v-toronto-fc-48703/

[Fort York Redcoat]

He also misses the home game of Vcup but it's okay because he reps us.

Now if THAT friendly (vs Uzbekistan for those that don't know) was here instead of in Austria...

sigh

[Red I]

FWIW, a New York perspective

http://www.empireofsoccer.com/preview-new-york-red-bulls-v-toronto-fc-48703/

LOL at the way they label Toronto's offence (which includes Giovinco) vs. a New York Defence (which includes Collin AKA Giovinco's training pylon) as an "Even" matchup

[MartinUtd]

That USA game looked entertaining.

And yeah Yedlin has been great the few times I've caught him at Sunderland this past year. Transitioning nicely to the higher level...finally.

[Detroit_TFC]

The formation change in the second half had a big affect on the US play. MB was far more effective and his delivery was impressive. No doubt that MB's best position is a deep 6 now. However, JK often is not convinced by tawdry empirical evidence such as actual performances so it will be anyone's guess where MB will be used in the future.

[OgtheDim]

I gotta say it. Seba is due to hit one from outside the area. I saw a stat last weekend that he was something like 1 for 49 for shots from outside the box, including free kicks. He's come so close with posts and a few great saves.

[OgtheDim]

LOL at the way they label Toronto's offence (which includes Giovinco) vs. a New York Defence (which includes Collin AKA Giovinco's training pylon) as an "Even" matchup

Collin's antics and lack of speed hasn't been noticed yet in Jersey....might happen this weekend or it might not but I would still say our attack is pretty darn potent.

[mistercorporate]

Whats with their predicted lineup? I would think Lovitz or Cheyrou replace Chapman on the inside and Babouli replaces Lovitz on the wing?

[OgtheDim]

Game Day :scarf:

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Damn it, I don't know how this match will seem to me after will be watching the Champs League final...

[mistercorporate]

Now THIS is more like it (would have preferred Cheyrou over Chapman, however):

http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-StartingXI-052816.png

[jloome]

Damn it, I don't know how this match will seem to me after will be watching the Champs League final...

Slow and discombobulated.

[MartinUtd]

Calling an Aurelien Collin red card before the 65th minute.

[OgtheDim]

Ooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk


https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/736678533808824321

[OgtheDim]

And the bench has a surprise entry

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/736678958209458177

[OgtheDim]

And before anybody asks, Endoh is injured - another weird contusion.

[OgtheDim]

Seba is captain.

[WestStandGeoff]

Streams anyone?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

http://giostreams.eu/68.html

[Oldtimer]

Not good...

[PizzaEatingYeti]

I must say Gio is much out of his scoring touch in the last few games...

[jloome]

Great run by Lovitz.

[JavierMartini]

Either we dump bradley and altidore or we get players who are going to actually play for us. We cant have our most important players consistently injured or playing for their country. We all know the mls wont change.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Some fuking homer commenters on the http://giostreams.eu (http://giostreams.eu/68.html) stream.
They are jizzing themselves at any better shitebulls actions.

[Lennon]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Gio injured.


Either we dump bradley and altidore or we get players who are going to actually play for us. We cant have our most important players consistently injured or playing for their country. We all know the mls wont change.


Yup

[JavierMartini]

giovinco's out. We now have 0 dps available. This does not work.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

We can completely forget about this game.
Seba is out too.
Good night.

[General Woolfe]

Somebody switch off the lights... :(

[ronzilla]

Giovinco out. Game over.

[JavierMartini]

morgan playing as a left winger? This should be interesting!

[Red CB Toronto]

What a move by BWP, dam this sucks, hope the Reds don't loose anyone else on this sweltering Saturday.

[JavierMartini]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKEc22_yDhU Silly energy drinks. Embarrassing copy of aux armes

[Leedsoronto]

Vanny not liking Hamilton then, that was his big chance and he passed him up.

2-0 and more to come with this line up

[portu]

Sub Will and Damien out this game is over might as well preserve some players

[Red CB Toronto]

Joe's packed tonight , hope everyone is ok down there.

[Blindside16]

Shit. This is going to get ugly. Plus side is Seba has 17 days until the next league game. Looks like we will need a prayer to advance in the Canadian championship.

[OgtheDim]

morgan playing as a left winger? This should be interesting!

Well he's done it before but this is patchwork all over the place.


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Moore has had a poor game. He got caught out of possession to start the attack that led to the foul. Then he let BWP beat him in the air. Now he's let him beat him through his legs.

[JavierMartini]

so much for our defence being solid. I get if we dont have our attackers. Were playing like a pasta strainer.

[Red CB Toronto]

26 min in, BWP with 3 , come on Reds !

[JavierMartini]

#vanneyout

[General Woolfe]

This could get real ugly... :facepalm:

[Oldtimer]

It would have been tough no matter what. Giovinco out, down 2 goals. Game over.

Hopefully Giovinco is back for June 1 St against Montreal.

[OgtheDim]

And Moore bad on the 3rd goal.

[Oldtimer]

#vanneyout

You've been waiting for game after game to say this. Just give it a break. We weren't going to win this one anyway.

[JavierMartini]

You've been waiting for game after game to say this. Just give it a break. We weren't going to win this one anyway.

LoL I've been saying this since nelson was canned. No more no-experience coaches please.

[69Chevy396]

giovinco's out. We now have 0 dps available. This does not work.
Giovinco has probably reached the limit of his patience and tolerance playing in such a mediocre league. Surrounded by players who would be locker room attendents in Italy, his game has gone south as quickly as one would gulp a Napoli espresso. Anybody Watching him can easily see he no longer has the drive from last season. That euro snub took all that was left out of his sails....I predict he leaves MLS as quickly as he can. TFC will be just fine without him, having to play as a defence first team....this is what they do best anyhow.....just play for nil-nil draws on the road.

[Red CB Toronto]

Turn out the lights !!!! I am going to need some Red Bull just to sta up thorough this !

[Richard]

Well this team is disintegrating quickly. Yikes!

[OgtheDim]

LoL I've been saying this since nelson was canned. No more no-experience coaches please.

Yes, I'm absolutely certain that Vanney is why Drew Moor is playing like he's in Grade 6.

[General Woolfe]

Abductor strain reported with Seba

[JavierMartini]

What happened to our solid defence? Were missing two key attackers and a midfielder. Surely we should be solid in the back no?

[General Woolfe]

Well this team is disintegrating quickly. Yikes!
I should know better but I had high hopes of a Conference Final after the road trip :(

[Red CB Toronto]

What's for dinner ?

[OgtheDim]

What happened to our solid defence? Were missing two key attackers and a midfielder. Surely we should be solid in the back no?

Yes, we should be. And Moor has been crap today.

We've had 2 crappy defence games - Vancouver and this one. The rest of the time the defence is darn good.

[Richard]

I should know better but I had high hopes of a Conference Final after the road trip :(

Its a long season, lets just hope nothing drastic happens.

[JavierMartini]

Yes, we should be. And Moor has been crap today.

We've had 2 crappy defence games - Vancouver and this one. The rest of the time the defence is darn good.

beitashour has been playing bad in a few of the last games, esp against nycfc

[notthesun]

Thank god there's a big break in the league after this week.

Vanney needs to figure this out because we've looked off since after the Dallas match. And Bez has done just a terrible job with building depth on this roster. We're the most fragile team in the league.

[portu]

I'm sorry but this isn't on Vanney this is on Bez, poor squad construction and management leaves us with no depth up top whatsoever and thus no viable scoring threats

also, And I hate bringing this up because this horse has been beaten to shit, but signing Altidore as a DP was a dumb move as well given injury history + international duty + having Giovinco up top

[JavierMartini]

Its a long season, lets just hope nothing drastic happens.

no dps for a while?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

What's for dinner ?

I got some double smoked pork chops, "Big Josh" brand, "ready to eat" out of the pack.
They're incredibly delicious.
I'm not sure you get this brand around Toronto. as I'm in NJ...

[JavierMartini]

I'm sorry but this isn't on Vanney this is on Bez, poor squad construction and management leaves us with no depth up top whatsoever and thus no viable scoring threats

our defence has been in shambles for a few matches. vanney couldnt pump up my puppers. We need a carver type to light a fire under the asses of our boys.

[0bl1vious]

Seba out with adductor injury.

[CBTFC]

This is embarrassing.

Vintage TFC

[Leedsoronto]

Looks like a NYRB training game now.

100% dirty effing stamp that !!!

[JavierMartini]

thats going to be a suspension

[Lennon]

Lots of hungry players out there and now we're up a man. Don't give up yet!

[CBTFC]

I've never seen a hopping two footed stomp before

[ag futbol]

Welp, I missed the first half while I was at the gym. Or judging by the score, did I?

Not sure we've started playing yet.

[OgtheDim]

That was the stupidest challenge I've ever seen. A two footed bunny hop?

[JavierMartini]

were now a man up with a half and some change to go. If we cant challenge for a tie it will be a massive disappointment.

[PizzaEatingYeti]

I'm sorry but this isn't on Vanney this is on Bez, poor squad construction and management leaves us with no depth up top whatsoever and thus no viable scoring threats

also, And I hate bringing this up because this horse has been beaten to shit, but signing Altidore as a DP was a dumb move as well given injury history + international duty + having Giovinco up top

This.
The FO has no fucking idea how to build a decent enough team for 9 years.
Decent enough in my eyes is one which is a contender.

Almost every successful MLS team was heavily based on Latin-American players in this league. Including DP-s.
Yet our FO refuses this route with perseverance.
WHY????

[General Woolfe]

Where is Endoh tonight?

[JavierMartini]

morgan is looking really good on the wing. It's too bad we aren't capitalizing on the chances hes creating. maybe cheyrou on to make some tackles and settle the midfield down.

[SoccMan2]

I can't fucken believe there are still people on here accepting that we were suppose to lose certain games like this one, are you fucken kidding me after 9 years of hopelessness we are in no shape to be accepting any losses anymore , there are no fucken games we should be accepting a loss people it's been 9 fucken bloody years of this fucken shit, give your heads a shake people this can no longer be tolerated anymore no no no, we should be at the very least a contender by now, fools this fucken crap, I've had fucken enough as a day one season ticket holder, enough is enough fuck!

[SoccMan2]

Morgan is looking good because there is no pressure on him in a game like this where we are already losing 3-0!

[JavierMartini]

Cheyrou for delgado, hamilton on for lovitz.

---Morgan-------Hamilton------Babouli---
-------oso-------Cheyrou-------Johnson--
Morrow --- Moor --- Perquis - --Beitashour

this maybe? Vanney got balls? :D

[JavierMartini]

Morgan is looking good because there is no pressure on him in a game like this where we are already losing 3-0!

Uh, no. Hes tracking back, winning balls. He is also beating his mark and delivering good whipped in balls to the feet of babouli. (Hes always done that though) At the end of the half he also chased down a ball and cut it back, jhonson didn't have the skill to one time it though.

[noimpactinmtl]

Cheyrou for delgado, hamilton on for lovitz.

---Morgan-------Hamilton------Babouli---
-------oso-------Cheyrou-------Johnson--
Morrow --- Moor --- Perquis - --Beitashour

this maybe? Vanney got balls? :D

Put Oso in CAM and play 4-2-3-1 with Cheyrou-Johnson double pivot.

[JavierMartini]

Put Oso in CAM and play 4-2-3-1 with Cheyrou-Johnson double pivot.

I like that.
-------^------Hamilton------^---------
-----Morgan----oso-----Babouli-----
------Cheyrou-------Johnson--
Morrow --- Moor --- Perquis - --Beitashour

Fixed*

[OgtheDim]

I can't fucken believe there are still people on here accepting that we were suppose to lose certain games like this one, are you fucken kidding me after 9 years of hopelessness we are in no shape to be accepting any losses anymore , !


This isn't Europe where if you lose 3 games your chance of winning anything is done and dusted and you spend all season fighting for 8th, or the Wenger Cup or whatever. Its MLS where EVERY team but TFC circa 2007-2014 has hot and cold streaks throughout the season.

The bigger concern is the lack of scoring from outside the DP's. As others have said, that's on Bez. AND, I blame that on not having a President around back last fall to explain to him that maybe we didn't NEED that 2nd big contract CD.

Yes, this all goes back to Kantari. Without his contract, we buy out Gomez. We have cap space for a 3rd forward. Instead, Bez listens to all of us who said that TFC's defence was shit last season and needed fixing NOW cause we were not going to go far in the playoffs. PAH......long term vision. Manning has it. If Bez can't get us some forward support, he'll be gone by the end of the season.

[Lennon]

Atta boy Lovitz !

[General Woolfe]

Oh ffs :facepalm:

What is Baboulli doing??

[Leedsoronto]

Fluck !!

[Lennon]

What a fucking joke.

[MightyDM]

You've been waiting for game after game to say this. Just give it a break. We weren't going to win this one anyway.


With respect, because you usually have thoughtful posts, that's a ridiculous comment. We beat them 2-0 last time, of course we could win this game.

There is something off about Vanneys motivation skills, it's odd, but the failure to mark their best player on the first goal is about preparation. The second and third were total disorganization and the second was on Irwin and Moor.

I was was puzzled from the start about the formation. With the players on the pitch, Lovitz should have been on the left and Oso at the top of the diamond. Why on earth would Lovitz be playing a critical position that he has never played for us, particularly when Oso can play at the top of the diamond quite well?

having said that, the second half will now be very interesting. TFC!

[JavierMartini]

fucking bullshit

[Jack]

Way to go, Lovitz. Fuck me...

[Hamilton_Red]

Seen it all now for TFC. Un believable.

[JavierMartini]

vanney stop being trash and sub off lovitz and delgado lets get cheyrou to settle the midfield and hamilton out there

[flamehawk]

vanney stop being trash and sub off lovitz and delgado lets get cheyrou to settle the midfield and hamilton out there
Lovitz has done pretty well so far, and even won a penalty. I really doubted Lovitz first year, but why take him off? He's providing an offensive threat.

[Red CB Toronto]

I got some double smoked pork chops, "Big Josh" brand, "ready to eat" out of the pack.
They're incredibly delicious.
I'm not sure you get this brand around Toronto. as I'm in NJ...

That sounds amazing , will definitely have to get some, got some cold beer on the go too?

[Red CB Toronto]

Turn out the lights !!!

[JavierMartini]

hamilton will provide more of an offensive threat. It's either lovitz or jhonson and we need jhonson in the midfield.

[JavierMartini]

why is delgado still on the field lol.

[ag futbol]

Well, if Hamilton wants more playing time this will have to be his shot...

Edit: Morgan still extreme naive when defending.

[JavierMartini]

what? rofl. morrow for hamilton hahahahaha morgan was doing fine on the wing. Delgado is still on the field though, sigh.

[Red CB Toronto]

Here we go for Hamilton , just not the Hamilton that has caused a frenzy in NYC with tickets going for north of $500 !!

[General Woolfe]

What a miss by Moor. We cant pass up chances like these if we hope to get back in this. It should be 2-3 right now

[PizzaEatingYeti]

That sounds amazing , will definitely have to get some, got some cold beer on the go too?
Of course, the beer goes automatically with it! :drinking:

[notthesun]

http://i.imgur.com/K6auDUl.png

Zubar the furthest player forward at the time of the kick. MLS refs strike again.

[Red CB Toronto]

Take Me Out of this mess tonight !!

[SoccMan2]

Keep being pisitive OgetheDim it's all going to be ok thanks for keeping it always positive even after 9 years of crap , I'm sorry what am I thinking I have no reason for being so negative no reason at all I'm so sorry, TFC forever , TFC TFC raw raw raw, oh Danny Dichio, Dichio, Dichio Danny Dichio!

[JavierMartini]

ok, so now someone else has to make that tackle next time since were playing 3 at the back.

[Jack]

Keep being pisitive OgetheDim it's all going to be ok thanks for keeping it always positive even after 9 years of crap , I'm sorry what am I thinking I have no reason for being so negative no reason at all I'm so sorry, TFC forever , TFC TFC raw raw raw, oh Danny Dichio, Dichio, Dichio Danny Dichio!
Deep breath. Turn the game off and go outside if it gets you that worked up.

[JavierMartini]

vanney needs to go. We need cheyrou's finesse to be our anchor. We need to get delgado off the pitch too.

[SoccMan2]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.

[Leedsoronto]

That was a yellow card each, that's fucked !!! Their player has a yellow already so it's cheating, as they should have 9 now

[JavierMartini]

How much longer do we have to wait until we get a coach who can get the most out of the squad #vanneyout.

[Red CB Toronto]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.

Go outside, take a deep breath and have a cold beer. Sports is entertainment. Something to enjoy with friends over a few cold ones, simply as that. Never worth it for you to let it get to you, simply as that.

[ag futbol]

vanney needs to go. We need cheyrou's finesse to be our anchor. We need to get delgado off the pitch too.
The issue is, Cheyrou is the best player we have on this team in terms of connecting the midfield and the forwards, but he can't reasonably expect him to play every game at this stage in his career. Johnson and Bradley's best qualities are their work rates. Both have reasonable skills, neither really provides us with the elite, consistent play-making ability we need from midfield.

Either we go out and find a real DP-quality AM or you start to look at getting wingers / fullbacks that provide more going forward than the players we have.

[ronzilla]

Hamilton is better than jozy.

[JavierMartini]

yikes. That didnt even look like usl level control from hamilton. Lets get sterling up here !!! LoL

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Super Chapman is in finally!
Showtime!

[OgtheDim]

A team is a long term journey. We've been making decisions for the next few weeks since year 1. Real tired of it.


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I like what Osorio did there. MaCarty was taking the mickey out of him by sitting on him so Osorio got up and shoved him one.

[JavierMartini]

Hamilton is better than jozy.

nah, altidore was doing work on and off the ball. His glass hamstrings and being on the usmnt though, not worth it.

[Jack]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.
Stow the condescending attitude. It's great that you've supported soccer for so long, but if you want to call people out, then you won't do it here. Just because someone is pragmatic in their attitude toward the team's performance doesn't give you the right to demean their support. There aren't two extremes here of being totally angry or only going to BMO Field to drink with friends and not caring about the fate of the team. Get a grip.

[Jack]

A team is a long term journey. We've been making decisions for the next few weeks since year 1. Real tired of it.


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I like what Osorio did there. MaCarty was taking the mickey out of him by sitting on him so Osorio got up and shoved him one.
McCarty has always been a dirty piece of shit.

[JavierMartini]

cheyrou is the ONLY PERSON on this roster who can anchor the midfield. Jhonson cant do it. Vanney aint got a clue.

[Lennon]

The issue is, Cheyrou is the best player we have on this team in terms of connecting the midfield and the forwards, but he can't reasonably expect him to play every game at this stage in his career.

This team is full of bad contracts. Cheyrou (at this stage) being one of them.

[ronzilla]

nah, altidore was doing work on and off the ball. His glass hamstrings and being on the usmnt though, not worth it.

Yeah I know, jozy has done so much for this team. Im going to miss the 0 goals.

[JavierMartini]

The issue is, Cheyrou is the best player we have on this team in terms of connecting the midfield and the forwards, but he can't reasonably expect him to play every game at this stage in his career. Johnson and Bradley's best qualities are their work rates. Both have reasonable skills, neither really provides us with the elite, consistent play-making ability we need from midfield.

Either we go out and find a real DP-quality AM or you start to look at getting wingers / fullbacks that provide more going forward than the players we have.

Make morgan into a winger. we may need a backup for beitashour though

-------^------Hamilton------^---------
-----Morgan----oso-----Babouli-----
------Cheyrou-------Johnson--
Morrow --- Moor --- Perquis - --Beitashour

play this lineup and we may have something

[JavierMartini]

Yeah I know, jozy has done so much for this team. Im going to miss the 0 goals.

LoL do you watch the games on a braille keyboard?

[PizzaEatingYeti]

Well... the Gods of footy are shitting on TFC today.
Again...

[Hamilton_Red]

Cheroux still isn't fit - would be a waste to have brought him in. The red stopped us from losing by 5-6 goals. We don't have a pro level goalscorer on the pitch.

[Jack]

Will Johnson is still playing all out, at least. I give him credit for not stopping, ever.

[Jack]

And the Red Bulls started the season 1-6. You'd never think that watching them lately. MLS is a funny league like that.

[JavierMartini]

Will Johnson is still playing all out, at least. I give him credit for not stopping, ever.

it would have been nice to see how he did with cheyrou in a double pivot

[OgtheDim]

it would have been nice to see how he did with cheyrou in a double pivot

Might see that Wednesday.


Guys have worked really hard in the second half.

BUT, when the most technically adept player out there is Damian Perquis, team has issues.

[Jack]

it would have been nice to see how he did with cheyrou in a double pivot
It would be interesting. That shape could work with our players, too.

Haha funny this but what else to expect. This team will never get away from. The hump until they dump all these untalented overpaid USMNT players
All two of them?

[ag futbol]

Make morgan into a winger. we may need a backup for beitashour though

-------^------Hamilton------^---------
-----Morgan----oso-----Babouli-----
------Cheyrou-------Johnson--
Morrow --- Moor --- Perquis - --Beitashour

play this lineup and we may have something
Morgan can't be anything for this team but a substitute left back. His defensive awareness is lacking, first touch is meh, and ability to create space for himself is basically nil. The guy operates entirely on the premise that a team is defending narrow he will have space to run into and deliver a cross with his left foot. That is not going to cut it in midfield when he will more actively be pressured on the ball.

Roster adjustments are the only way. They've swung the needle too far in one direction.

[ronzilla]

LoL do you watch the games on a braille keyboard?


Haha, try watching the game with your back turned the right way.

Here let me say it for you " But but but hes our hold up man".

[portu]

I really don't mind Hamilton right now (in a good way) don't see why he shouldn't get more minutes. Perhaps one of those players that needs to be pushed in terms of competition level?

[Lennon]

Disappointing not to get anything out of the 2nd half. Was a great chance for one of the rookies to get their 1st goal.

[notthesun]

Yeah I know, jozy has done so much for this team. Im going to miss the 0 goals.

Altidore needs to score when he gets back, no arguing that at all. But surely you've noticed that our run of poor play recently began directly after he got injured?

He wasn't scoring but he was a massive part of our offense, I mean it's clear as day with how we've struggled offensively since he left. This is on Bez now because there is not a single player in the organization that can fill the role he held.

[Oldtimer]

A very disappointing game, but not surprising. My concern at this point is for Giovinco.

[Onyx]

well that was two hours wasted.

without seba we are the worst team in mls

[General Woolfe]

It really is the same old shit-show from this club.

Like many I was fooled into thinking we had upgraded to an excellent defense this season, when in reality we upgraded to a bang average MLS defence. Years of watching bombscare centre halves like Iro, O'Dear, and Caldwell will make an average player look good by comparison, and I fear that's exactly what's happened. Beitashour, Moor, Perquis, and Morrow are decent enough players by MLS standards, but decent is all they are, they are a long way away from the All Stars I thought we'd acquired.

This franchise has repeatedly gone about building the club the wrong way. They think by signing superstar DPs any old player can play alongside them and all will be well. As we know that's not the case, in MLS you build a side of solid journeymen and you use your DPs to give you that extra bit of quality that makes you stand apart from the rest.

However I really shouldnt expect anything else from MLSE. Box office player = money in the bank as far as they're concerned. I really wish they'd sell up to people in this city who understand football, because they certainly don't. Until that happens I cant see this club moving forward.

[ManUtd4ever]

At least we don't play another league match until June 18th. Hopefully we'll have a healthy squad by then.

[reggie]

well that was two hours wasted.

without seba we are the worst team in mls
by far

[Oldtimer]

well that was two hours wasted.

without seba we are the worst team in mls

Without our DPs we can't beat a team that won 7-0 last week. That's not quite the same as the "worst team in MLS."

[ManUtd4ever]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.

We were out matched today, especially when Seba left the game. Why get upset over it? If we got trounced with our A team out there, it would be a different story.

[General Woolfe]

Will Johnson is still playing all out, at least. I give him credit for not stopping, ever.
Whilst that may be true, he is a grafter at best. He is no midfield general, and a poor substitute for Bradley if were honest

[Hamilton_Red]

well that was two hours wasted.

without seba we are the worst team in mls

This might be true.

[Hamilton_Red]

Without our DPs we can't beat a team that won 7-0 last week. That's not quite the same as the "worst team in MLS."

We wouldn't have scored on them if they went down to 9 men and we played for 3 hours.

[reggie]

we got 2 wks off.time to fire the coach and gm..

[Hamilton_Red]

we got 2 wks off.time to fire the coach and gm..

Pellegrini....Moyes... Van Gaal... Kries...all available....

[OgtheDim]

well that was two hours wasted.

without seba we are the worst team in mls

No, that's Chicago.

[reggie]

Whilst that may be true, he is a grafter at best. He is no midfield general, and a poor substitute for Bradley if were honest
WJ Is a overpaid scrub,they could of got a really good #10 for 400 k,he is a grinder,would be great for the 4th line on the leafs.

[Leedsoronto]

We was losing when Seba left the field, after that we didn't let a goal in.

Does that mean "We are better without him" lol >sarcasm on<

We have no depth in the squad, no like for like on the bench or in reserve, until this is addressed we are a team treading on egg shells all season long hoping for no injuries

[flamehawk]

We're lucky to still be in the playoffs atm. Thank fuck for being in a horrible Eastern Conference.

[cdnorman]

We aren't the worst team in MLS, by far. However, we are a team that has been developed around 4 players: Giovinco, Altidore, Bradley and Irwin. Only one of those players played tonight.

What tonight showed was that we don't have a plan B, C or D. I think this is about how the team - the T-E-A-M -- plays together and that's largely on Vanney. Bez brought in much of the talent -- as much as we could afford, at least -- now it's Vanney's job to make it work. If we can't get the talent we have, which isn't stellar, but also isn't that bad -- to work as a group, Vanney and his team need to find the way to creatively work without our DP's and thrive. Tonight, they didn't have it.

On the upside, I think this will really force the team to rethink itself in light of the possibility that we won't have a DP in the lineup. It wasn't a great game and we got outplayed and outscored, but we are hardly the worst in the league. But, we're not the best or near that and that's where we need to be.

[Pint]

We don't have 2 weeks off... we play Wednesday in a game that is likely more important than any individual league game.

[reggie]

We don't have 2 weeks off... we play Wednesday in a game that is likely more important than any individual league game.
yah right....good luck with that,we have no depth.who is going to score.lets hope for 0-0 both games and we win on pks

[OgtheDim]

We don't have 2 weeks off... we play Wednesday in a game that is likely more important than any individual league game.

TFC brass are also calling the V Cup games important. Vanney said it on his post game with Sportsnet and Manning has said it in interviews.

They want CCL. To do that, they need the V Cup.

We don't have time off.

[Pint]

TFC brass are also calling the V Cup games important. Vanney said it on his post game with Sportsnet and Manning has said it in interviews.

They want CCL. To do that, they need the V Cup.

We don't have time off.

It's one of the things manning has mentioned when I have talked to him. CCL was big at RSL and manning actually read up on the history of the tournament. He wants this and I expect us to have the best lineup possible on the pitch.

[69Chevy396]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.
If MLSE managed to take control Real Madrid tomorrow, that team would be relegated within two years.

[General Woolfe]

I like what Osorio did there. MaCarty was taking the mickey out of him by sitting on him so Osorio got up and shoved him one.
A similar situation in the Vancouver game saw both players getting a red card

[Oldtimer]

Seba will be OK. http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2016/05/28/update-sebastian-giovinco-injury-status

[Hamilton_Red]

Oh great Drogba scores a 94th minute winner to beat LAG. Piatti is on fire for L'Impact...this could be a rough week for TFC. Lucky we are a bit numb to the futility at this point.

[Auzzy]

Man what a fucking tire fire.

I can honestly say, I was so worried about the over-hype around the team at the end of their road trip. After 9+ years of garbage, I wish this effin' club would learn to just STFU and play the games, let the results do the talking.

[MightyDM]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.


TFC have been an excellent team at many times this season. A treat to watch. This game they were terrible from the start - Vanney is culpable, and Moor had a stinker - but they are a good competent team, a pleasure to watch and well worth supporting.

[OgtheDim]

Oh great Drogba scores a 94th minute winner to beat LAG. ...

More like an error by the Shortstop on a soft line drive right at him.

[Graeme]

We was losing when Seba left the field, after that we didn't let a goal in.

I thought it was 1-0 when he went out?

[OgtheDim]

I thought it was 1-0 when he went out?

You are correct.

5 minutes after he was subbed it was 3-0.

[ronzilla]

It was 1-0 when Seba left.

With the red bulls down a man, I think Seba could have fought back and tied or win it if he wasn't injured.

[ManUtd4ever]

Seba will be OK. http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2016/05/28/update-sebastian-giovinco-injury-status

Good news.

[Areathrasher]

They've been playing like shite for the last few weeks. The roster is clearly constructed horribly. They have a window up coming to try and change that. If they can or it is another question.

The clutching at straws/positive outlook is that the slump is coming at the start of the summer.There is a transfer window, players to return from injury/international duty and a home heavy schedule upcoming. All is not lost, yet.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Man what a fucking tire fire.

I can honestly say, I was so worried about the over-hype around the team at the end of their road trip. After 9+ years of garbage, I wish this effin' club would learn to just STFU and play the games, let the results do the talking.

They talk too much? I don't notice. You mean off the pitch, right?

[Fort York Redcoat]

Seba will be OK. http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2016/05/28/update-sebastian-giovinco-injury-status

I'm gonna wait for the 24 hours before celebrating but this IS a consolation. For now. Phew. Exhale.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I have every reason to be all worked up, I been supporting pro soccer in Toronto since the Toronto Metros in the 70's I expect better than the same old crap year after year, some of you guys don't seem to care too much about the result as long as there is a place to go drink with friends at BMO at each home game and have fun, what you fail to realize is that eventually people will stop coming out and this club will go the way of the Metros and the Blizzard and our beloved Argos will finally have BMO all too themselves.

So we should stop making the best of it and then people won't stop coming out and the club will stay forever? Is this a proven study?

And let it be known anyone who's read here over the course of a month knows you've been watching since the beginning. The term "same old crap" makes one look like they don't know the difference from year to year. We have not had 9 golden boot winners.

[Derko]

TFC have been an excellent team at many times this season. A treat to watch. This game they were terrible from the start - Vanney is culpable, and Moor had a stinker - but they are a good competent team, a pleasure to watch and well worth supporting.

Thank you, I agree 100 percent, we had a stinker of a game, shit happens, let the knee jerk reactions settle into dust, be pissed but the constant witch hunting makes me want to be ill.

[Still Kicking]

It might be the optimism of the morning after.. but I am not devastated today.
Calling back the penalty kick was a cruel and unusual ref call. Yet TFC kept pounding away.
Moor scores on that open header and TFC could have been back in the game.
BW-P is on a hot streak. TFC need a player of that quality to make Giovinco the happiest man in red and grey..

[Slick]

Hey guys,

Can someone please point me to where I can find the recorded game?

Thanks

[MightyDM]

Hey guys,

Can someone please point me to where I can find the recorded game?

Thanks

it comes with a large warning label.....

[ag futbol]

The amount of hyperbole in this thread is rather comical. "If we didn't have our best player...."

If you took the best player off any MLS team of course it goes downhill. But tell me a starting 11 with our keeper, back four, Johnson, Alitodre, and Bradley isn't much? It's more than reasonable in the grande scheme of things.

Our issues are squad depth and creative industry coming from the midfield. With our injuries / call-ups the weaknesses are amplified. But it more likely means we're not competing for MLS cup rather than looking at the outside in on the playoffs.

Let's see how we continue to play over the next stretch before jumping off the bridge. I am more annoyed than suicidal over this run of play.

[Hamilton_Red]

That was an absolutely terrible ref call. Completely unnecessary and spoiled the second half. There might have been a possibility of a fight back if the perfectly good goal stood.



It might be the optimism of the morning after.. but I am not devastated today.
Calling back the penalty kick was a cruel and unusual ref call. Yet TFC kept pounding away.
Moor scores on that open header and TFC could have been back in the game.
BW-P is on a hot streak. TFC need a player of that quality to make Giovinco the happiest man in red and grey..

[OgtheDim]

That was an absolutely terrible ref call. Completely unnecessary and spoiled the second half. There might have been a possibility of a fight back if the perfectly good goal stood.

It was an interesting call but the correct one. There were about 8 guys inside the box when the kick was taken.

[MightyDM]

It was an interesting call but the correct one. There were about 8 guys inside the box when the kick was taken.

Yes and no. The encroachment was led by the red bulls player. That means a redo if we do not score.

[MightyDM]

My biggest take away was how much we need Bradley, both skill wise and for his leadership.

[Ivy]

It was an interesting call but the correct one. There were about 8 guys inside the box when the kick was taken.
Robles went off his line before the second kick was taken, if we're going for that "perfect" PK.

[Prof]

And Moore bad on the 3rd goal.

Moore at fault for all three goals.

[MightyDM]

Moore at fault for all three goals.


Moor. Moore was released.

[OgtheDim]

Moor. Moore was released.

Yeah I know, in the blind mist of "WTF ARE YOU DOING!" I typed the extra e.

[MartinUtd]

I've come to appreciate what a well balanced team NYRB is, especially at midfield. Having said that, I was hoping for a better showing despite the absence of a veteran presence like Bradley or Cheyrou. Some of the substitutions were baffling.. I mean how you replace Giovinco with Morgan when you have Hamilton, Zavaleta and even Hagglund on the bench (the latter two have played striker and are more built for the position when chasing the game). Speaking of Hamilton, I thought he looked okay. Had a couple of close attempts on goal but otherwise was contained. It's not exactly an ideal scenario for him to be thrown into to gain MLS experience though, so I won't judge his relative invisibility too harshly... yet.

Oh yeah, and great seeing a few of you at Joe's. To think after 10 years that was my first time there for an away game.

[Graeme]

I actually thought Morgan looked quite good and added some energy to the team. Never thought I'd say this, but wouldn't mind seeing more often, especially after some rough patches from Morrow.

[hulkrogan]

I actually thought Morgan looked quite good and added some energy to the team. Never thought I'd say this, but wouldn't mind seeing more often, especially after some rough patches from Morrow.

I thought the same. I know his game is fairly basic, but besides the speed, he seems to be the only player on the left that can actually put a decent cross in.

[Scotty74]

When everyone is fit we have a pretty good starting 11. Have we forgotten is was only 5 weeks ago this team went to Montreal and played them off the field for 90 mins?

The problem is when injuries occur or guys disappear on international duty that this roster's complete lack of depth is exposed and that's on Bezbatchenko.

Red Bulls were coming into the game off the back of a 7-0 win, were at home and BWP is scoring for fun right now. We were missing our 3 DP's for most of the game(Seba went off at 1-0) if we had taken a point from the game under those circumstances it would of been a success

[mistercorporate]

Last year, our starting eleven sucked (including our DP's). This year they're among the leagues elite. Now we're complaining our B team sucks? One step at a time folks, our depth players haven't had as much playing time this year, they'll get there. Vanney's doing an okay job this year, let's not blow up the ship when it's moving in the right direction.

[bigredone]

Fans gotta complain (Julian) :)

[Alonso]

I'm gonna wait for the 24 hours before celebrating but this IS a consolation. For now. Phew. Exhale.


UPDATED 30 minutes ago http://www.torontofc.ca/post/2016/05/28/update-sebastian-giovinco-injury-status

Seba had a scan done, results to come out tonight or tomorrow morning at latest.