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Red CB Toronto
05-19-2016, 09:59 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci07EQRUYAA4vNi.jpg:large

Seba at the top, Endoh and Mo tied for the spot at the bottom.

OgtheDim
05-19-2016, 10:01 AM
This is the biannual reminder of why Zavaleta is a tad more difficult to trade then Hagglund.

Ruffian
05-19-2016, 10:02 AM
Moore is still on the MLS salary list with no team attached

Moore Luke F $ 115,000.00 $ 137,500.00

Areathrasher
05-19-2016, 10:04 AM
Gomez at 333k, oof

ag futbol
05-19-2016, 10:20 AM
^i was going to say, something looks a little off about this payroll. We are ham-strung by guys who we are clearly paying (or partially paying) that are not on our roster.

On the plus side, other than Altidore everyone's contract looks reasonable and we started two guys earning a meagre 50k yesterday.

Cashcleaner
05-19-2016, 10:31 AM
Far right column is guaranteed money, right?

Red I
05-19-2016, 10:33 AM
Beitashour - did not realize how expensive he is, damn.

reggie
05-19-2016, 10:36 AM
i like WILL..but 400k.

Red CB Toronto
05-19-2016, 10:49 AM
I am still confussed is the cap hit the total compensation?

Voodooman
05-19-2016, 10:54 AM
I just look at this and smile that we didn't get Lampard. Wow that must be the worst signing.

Also very good to see that there are less and less questionable contracts for TFC per season. Zavaleta is a big one that stands out for me.

Irwin is a nice discount!

Areathrasher
05-19-2016, 11:02 AM
I am still confussed is the cap hit the total compensation?

The guaranteed number is supposedly the one that acts as a budget charge. But there is too much we don't know/isn't disclosed to take them as gospel.

notthesun
05-19-2016, 11:19 AM
I wish Perquis had less of a cap hit.

I don't know how we're gonna make room for mid-season additions, if any.

T-boy
05-19-2016, 11:36 AM
I personally wouldn't blame Endoh if he looked at those numbers and in training went studs up on a few of his colleagues!

molenshtain
05-19-2016, 11:48 AM
I wish Perquis had less of a cap hit.

I don't know how we're gonna make room for mid-season additions, if any.

A trade or two + Gomez off the books come july. Gives us enough wiggle room to do some things. I'd imagine we also sign one of or both Raheem Edwards and Luca Uccello for nothing on the cap.

QBall
05-19-2016, 11:59 AM
i like WILL..but 400k.

So far he has two goals and three assists so I think 400k is pretty reasonable.

TFC Tifoso
05-19-2016, 12:08 PM
^^ Johnson's value is beyond his offensive production....he'll chip in here and there, but is strength is in other places.....imo his defensive work rate has been phenominal so far this year, breaking up passes, getting "stuck in" (I hate that term but there's no other way to describe it), etc.......plus he gives stability to the midfield allowing Bradley to work off of him.....Cheyrou did some of that too, but Johnson can give more for longer.....worth every penny imo....TFC's best pick up in the offseason.....

burlington Red
05-19-2016, 12:19 PM
Perquis at $427,500 is insane. He has been better this year but still not worth anywhere near that kind of money. I felt Williams looked good last night and to me has warranted keeping his place for the Cbus game, although Vanney probably won't do that.Commentator mentioned last night Perquis didn't play as he cannot do 3 games in a week, that sort of luxury is afforded to the likes of Pirlo and Villa, not a Perquis. I think the steadying influence of Moor can bring the best out of both players, so Williams at 5 yrs younger and near $300k cheaper shows how inflated Perquis wages are

OgtheDim
05-19-2016, 01:39 PM
Somebody pointed out that the entire payroll for MLS = the payroll of Spurs

ronzilla
05-19-2016, 01:56 PM
Moor should be earning more than 250k.

Onyx
05-19-2016, 02:12 PM
So far he has two goals and three assists so I think 400k is pretty reasonable.

as long as he is a starter, which he wasn't going to be on his prior club and amount of minutes he missed due to injury there too

Onyx
05-19-2016, 02:14 PM
I personally wouldn't blame Endoh if he looked at those numbers and in training went studs up on a few of his colleagues!

you got to earn your stripes in this league ... unless your generation adidas player making 197k from day one.
At least he is not making the $12k new players used to make a few years ago.

Onyx
05-19-2016, 02:15 PM
Beitashour - did not realize how expensive he is, damn.
thats the whole reason he is on our team

khso11
05-19-2016, 02:26 PM
Once Gomez and Moore’s contracts are off the books, I am sure we can fill the few depth gaps and maybe a serviceable back-up CM and ST. As of now, the starters are getting starter money, so I am happy with this.

KevinOHH
05-19-2016, 02:41 PM
Morgan making 120k and not even coming close to seeing the field is shocking..........imo. I like him, but some of that money could be allocated elsewhere.

jabbronies
05-19-2016, 02:52 PM
are Ashtone Morgan and Mark Bloom even still on TFC? or have they been sent to TFC2?
That's alot of cash for 2 B team guys.

Yohan
05-19-2016, 02:59 PM
This just to show how little depth TFC has. Strong starting 11 gets you somewhere midtable. Strong starting 11 plus decent depth wins you the Supporter Shield.

I wish the money was spread around a little bit more so that we can get good depth at roster spot 12 to 19. A little bit of injury crisis and we know see just good our depth is. And with bunch of kids... *shrug*

ensco
05-19-2016, 03:07 PM
are Ashtone Morgan and Mark Bloom even still on TFC? or have they been sent to TFC2?
That's alot of cash for 2 B team guys.

Don't care about Bloom, but Ashtone Morgan is Mr TFC - I know what you are saying about his contribution, but six years here has to be worth 120K.

btw he should be playing more. I don't get it.

Red I
05-19-2016, 03:08 PM
thats the whole reason he is on our team

The whole reason is to be expensive?

troy1982
05-19-2016, 03:19 PM
2016 PLAYER SALARIES


http://www.mlsplayers.org/images/May%2015,%202016%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf




Team Base Guaranteed # Players
TOR $19,534,650.00 $21,798,508.57 26
NYCFC $20,603,922.54 $21,127,776.63 27
LA $16,110,500.00 $18,105,736.04 27
ORL $10,656,500.00 $11,554,420.83 28
SEA $9,479,113.50 $10,728,811.09 29
COL $7,715,259.66 $8,493,586.54 28
POR $6,547,661.00 $6,833,543.97 28
KC $6,309,194.00 $6,752,450.44 28
MTL $5,936,300.50 $6,741,008.84 28
VAN $6,012,441.58 $6,565,602.91 28
SJ $5,821,616.92 $6,409,400.25 29
NE $5,564,046.87 $5,980,837.58 27
RSL $5,337,500.00 $5,956,899.50 26
NYRB $5,186,746.15 $5,829,850.32 27
PHI $5,242,500.00 $5,674,323.96 27
HOU $5,312,577.75 $5,674,161.08 27
CHI $5,292,596.00 $5,600,172.50 25
CLB $5,282,749.84 $5,531,162.34 24
DC $4,552,165.26 $5,205,661.76 29
DAL $3,746,282.00 $4,323,732.00 27
ATL $177,012.00 $177,012.00 3
POOL $62,500.00 $62,500.00 1

OgtheDim
05-19-2016, 03:27 PM
Don't care about Bloom, but Ashtone Morgan is Mr TFC - I know what you are saying about his contribution, but six years here has to be worth 120K.

btw he should be playing more. I don't get it.

I think Vanney plays him when he can but Lovitz is currently preferred if we need offence. Morgan is the designated defend wide on the wings sub. IF we had the lead last night, I fully expected Babouli for Morgan who would have gone left on a 4-5-1.

Hard to put Morgan in front of Morrow.

Onyx
05-19-2016, 03:47 PM
This just to show how little depth TFC has. Strong starting 11 gets you somewhere midtable. Strong starting 11 plus decent depth wins you the Supporter Shield.

I wish the money was spread around a little bit more so that we can get good depth at roster spot 12 to 19. A little bit of injury crisis and we know see just good our depth is. And with bunch of kids... *shrug*

when you have 9 guys 200k and a number making over 400k (3 DPs at 457 against the cap), you will have no depth in MLS and you better stay healthy. Staying healthy is must for TFC.
MLS is all about value per cap $, look at all the top teams last year, even this year early on.
Buts thats what TFC is forced to do when you have really poor scouting and development over last 10 years.

Onyx
05-19-2016, 03:59 PM
The whole reason is to be expensive?

no, Vancouver decided they were not going to allocate that kind of cap space on a fullback, especially one who nursed multiple hamstring, quad, hip injuries over last 3 years. So we got him for basically free.

habstfc
05-19-2016, 04:10 PM
Shocked that Irwin is making so little, probably a top 3 MLS keeper.

troy1982
05-19-2016, 05:34 PM
Overall Payroll for the last 10 years.




2006 MLS Payroll: $27.4m
2010 MLS Payroll: $90.1m
2016 MLS Payroll: $175.1m

Gringo Starr
05-19-2016, 05:47 PM
Cheyrou seems like an expensive luxury to have this year, I suppose we need him to cover while Bradeley is away though

OgtheDim
05-19-2016, 06:57 PM
Here's a league wide analysis.

http://www.americansocceranalysis.com/may-15-2016/

ensco
05-19-2016, 07:02 PM
I think Vanney plays him when he can but Lovitz is currently preferred if we need offence. Morgan is the designated defend wide on the wings sub. IF we had the lead last night, I fully expected Babouli for Morgan who would have gone left on a 4-5-1.

Hard to put Morgan in front of Morrow.

It's Lovitz that I think he could share time with.

ensco
05-19-2016, 07:04 PM
Drogba at $2M is a big bargain, in terms of production and wattage. Even with the injuries.

reggie
05-19-2016, 07:22 PM
i really like MB and JOZY, but way overpaid for what they bring,a 6 mil stud #10 and 5 mil stud striker.the perquis 400 k you get a very good DM to replace bradley.

ronzilla
05-19-2016, 08:18 PM
I always thought Bradley was around 4. Now I will probably be bitching about him more often. g:D

Prof
05-19-2016, 08:32 PM
2016 PLAYER SALARIES


http://www.mlsplayers.org/images/May%2015,%202016%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf




Team Base Guaranteed # Players
TOR $19,534,650.00 $21,798,508.57 26
NYCFC $20,603,922.54 $21,127,776.63 27
LA $16,110,500.00 $18,105,736.04 27
ORL $10,656,500.00 $11,554,420.83 28
SEA $9,479,113.50 $10,728,811.09 29
COL $7,715,259.66 $8,493,586.54 28
POR $6,547,661.00 $6,833,543.97 28
KC $6,309,194.00 $6,752,450.44 28
MTL $5,936,300.50 $6,741,008.84 28
VAN $6,012,441.58 $6,565,602.91 28
SJ $5,821,616.92 $6,409,400.25 29
NE $5,564,046.87 $5,980,837.58 27
RSL $5,337,500.00 $5,956,899.50 26
NYRB $5,186,746.15 $5,829,850.32 27
PHI $5,242,500.00 $5,674,323.96 27
HOU $5,312,577.75 $5,674,161.08 27
CHI $5,292,596.00 $5,600,172.50 25
CLB $5,282,749.84 $5,531,162.34 24
DC $4,552,165.26 $5,205,661.76 29
DAL $3,746,282.00 $4,323,732.00 27
ATL $177,012.00 $177,012.00 3
POOL $62,500.00 $62,500.00 1



Amazing what Dallas, Philadelphia, NYRB, Portland, Montreal, Vancouver, RSL are able to put on the field with the low salaries they pay. Frank Lampard makes more by himself than 9 teams in MLS. That just sucks. Jermaine Jones was a steal for Colorado and Kei Kamara makes 2.5 million less than Josy Altidore.

Onyx
05-19-2016, 10:33 PM
Amazing what Dallas, Philadelphia, NYRB, Portland, Montreal, Vancouver, RSL are able to put on the field with the low salaries they pay. Frank Lampard makes more by himself than 9 teams in MLS. That just sucks. Jermaine Jones was a steal for Colorado and Kei Kamara makes 2.5 million less than Josy Altidore.


Its just the wage difference of each teams top 3 players.
Bradley has shown he is really just a $300k MLS midfielder ... its MLSE thats massively overpaying him and eating the millions in financial losses.

Same with Jozy. Probably only really a $800k MLS striker.

we will be back their in a few years when MLSE finally dumps bradley and jozy, and we go back to Laba-type DPs. why spend $$$ on Bradley/Jozy type DPs when they aren't difference makers on the pitch or in the stands.

Teams that get most value from their $ that win in MLS.

Onyx
05-19-2016, 10:56 PM
Here's a league wide analysis.

http://www.americansocceranalysis.com/may-15-2016/


Wondo at 650. great value
Plata at 175. wow. good value

AdamAM
05-20-2016, 12:56 AM
Moor making roughly half of what Perquis makes for being.. two times as good? That's how math works, right? g:D

Hamilton_Red
05-20-2016, 01:13 AM
This just shows how effed up MLS is. The salary cap ...with DP 's and all the other crazy rules is a disaster for the development of the sport.

molenshtain
05-20-2016, 01:17 AM
Moor making roughly half of what Perquis makes for being.. two times as good? That's how math works, right? g:D

Moor's on record as saying he took a pretty significant pay cut to come here. He could probably be making more than Perquis if he stayed in Colorado.

OgtheDim
05-20-2016, 06:09 AM
Its just the wage difference of each teams top 3 players.
Bradley has shown he is really just a $300k MLS midfielder ..S.


You keep banging on about that like somebody actually believes you.

Carter
05-20-2016, 06:35 AM
we will be back their in a few years when MLSE finally dumps bradley and jozy, and we go back to Laba-type DPs. why spend $$$ on Bradley/Jozy type DPs when they aren't difference makers on the pitch or in the stands.

Something to inspire to be, a bottom table team, like we were when we had Laba, pretty sure we finished dead last those years, but hey, if you like losing and sitting at the bottom of the league great, but maybe you should support the leafs, cause that's been their mantra since 1968.

KevinOHH
05-20-2016, 09:03 AM
It's Shameful what MLSE pays Jozy. I'm sure all the American teams laugh every time they see how much Jozy is making here.

Hamilton_Red
05-20-2016, 10:06 AM
Chara and Nagbe for Portland what a deal that is!

Very suspicious that Ashley Cole and DeJong are being paid peanuts. LAG have 5 DP's and those two must be getting side contracts somewhere else.


Wondo at 650. great value
Plata at 175. wow. good value

Areathrasher
05-20-2016, 10:17 AM
Chara and Nagbe for Portland what a deal that is!

Very suspicious that Ashley Cole and DeJong are being paid peanuts. LAG have 5 DP's and those two must be getting side contracts somewhere else.

De Jongs deal is back loaded. He hits a certain amount of games this year, he's a DP next year (replacing Gerrards DP spot). His payoff from Milan allowed him to take the cut.

They literally wouldn't sign Cole unless he took that type of deal.

Hamilton_Red
05-20-2016, 10:58 AM
Great we have to pay a TFC/MLSE premium for our DP's and LAG gets free ones so they can hang out in Hollywood.

Areathrasher
05-20-2016, 11:46 AM
Whats a free DP?

OgtheDim
05-20-2016, 01:07 PM
For those who really have nothing to do on a Friday before a long weekend, there is the chrome extension that takes names of players in MLS and changes them to their salary

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/MLS%20Player%20Name%20Salary?hl=en-US&authuser=1&_category=extensions

QBall
05-20-2016, 04:12 PM
2016 PLAYER SALARIES


http://www.mlsplayers.org/images/May%2015,%202016%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf





Team Base Guaranteed # Players
TOR $19,534,650.00 $21,798,508.57 26
NYCFC $20,603,922.54 $21,127,776.63 27
LA $16,110,500.00 $18,105,736.04 27
ORL $10,656,500.00 $11,554,420.83 28
SEA $9,479,113.50 $10,728,811.09 29
COL $7,715,259.66 $8,493,586.54 28
POR $6,547,661.00 $6,833,543.97 28
KC $6,309,194.00 $6,752,450.44 28
MTL $5,936,300.50 $6,741,008.84 28
VAN $6,012,441.58 $6,565,602.91 28
SJ $5,821,616.92 $6,409,400.25 29
NE $5,564,046.87 $5,980,837.58 27
RSL $5,337,500.00 $5,956,899.50 26
NYRB $5,186,746.15 $5,829,850.32 27
PHI $5,242,500.00 $5,674,323.96 27
HOU $5,312,577.75 $5,674,161.08 27
CHI $5,292,596.00 $5,600,172.50 25
CLB $5,282,749.84 $5,531,162.34 24
DC $4,552,165.26 $5,205,661.76 29
DAL $3,746,282.00 $4,323,732.00 27
ATL $177,012.00 $177,012.00 3
POOL $62,500.00 $62,500.00 1



I wonder if there's any bargains to be found over at FC Dallas? Seeing how much their payroll is and right now they have 8 more points than we do in the standings unless the owners of FC Dallas open up the purse strings big time I'm sure there are plenty of guys over there who would love to be making 1/4 of what Altidore is making.

Hamilton_Red
05-20-2016, 08:26 PM
Cole and Delong...


Whats a free DP?

Areathrasher
05-21-2016, 06:43 AM
Cole and Delong...

But they aren't DPs

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 06:59 AM
Overall Payroll for the last 10 years.




2006 MLS Payroll: $27.4m
2010 MLS Payroll: $90.1m
2016 MLS Payroll: $175.1m

But keep in mind the number of teams has changed too.

Hamilton_Red
05-21-2016, 08:56 PM
But they aren't DPs

You must be a lawyer.

SenorDingDong
05-23-2016, 10:10 AM
The payroll seems high but to put it in perspective, Toronto FC's wage bill is the same as Carpi or Chievo, bottom dwellers in Italian Serie A.

The lowest paid EPL team still has a higher wage then MLS.

Higher wages for MLS is a good thing - it's how the league will grow. The DP rule is kind of stupid, they should just ditch the salary cap or raise it several times over.

Initial B
05-24-2016, 07:14 AM
They can't raise the Salary Cap by a large amount because the Players Union will demand that their members' salaries increase by a similar percentage. A lot of the role players are not worth a 20% increase in their salaries. I think we'll be seeing a lot more TAM in the future. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of TAM available to the clubs will eventually be equal to the Cap on an annual basis. Would anyone be too upset with an annual cap of $5M plus $5M in annual TAM and 3 DPs each worth 10% of the cap by 2023?

Areathrasher
05-24-2016, 11:09 AM
This is a good listen with regards to the salaries. Herc at 32 mins especially so.


This week on The Play we have a Special Edition. Bobby Warshaw (Harrisburg City Islanders) is joined by George John (formerly of FC Dallas and NYCFC), Michael Stephens (Chicago Fire), and Herculez Gomez (Seattle Sounders) to talk about what it’s like in an MLS locker room after the player salaries get released publicly. Does a player get upset when a teammate makes more than him? Do they even look at the numbers? Do they talk about it? How does it feel to walk into the office and know that everyone makes more money than you do? What’s it like to walk down the street when any person you walk by can Google your name and know what’s in your bank account?

http://www.howlermagazine.com/play-pod-special-edition-whats-like-everyone-office-knows-much-money-make-welcome-mls/

TFC/Everton
05-24-2016, 12:41 PM
They can't raise the Salary Cap by a large amount because the Players Union will demand that their members' salaries increase by a similar percentage. A lot of the role players are not worth a 20% increase in their salaries. I think we'll be seeing a lot more TAM in the future. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of TAM available to the clubs will eventually be equal to the Cap on an annual basis. Would anyone be too upset with an annual cap of $5M plus $5M in annual TAM and 3 DPs each worth 10% of the cap by 2023?

I would like to see the three DP cap hits completely taken off. $5 million cap for all non DPs. $5 million in TAM to add to that. Plus, 3 DP slots that don't count against the cap.

reggie
05-24-2016, 01:42 PM
jus go to 25mil max and 7.5 mil min on the salary cap.enough of the dp,super dp super duper dp,tam,gam,spam,allo,that is so bush league.

Pint
05-24-2016, 01:48 PM
Id love to see the league do away with transfer fees counting as part of the cap hit. Let teams go get the Techeras of the world without having to spend every cent of TAM or make them a DP

Scottish Red
05-31-2016, 06:46 AM
Perquis at $427,500 is insane. He has been better this year but still not worth anywhere near that kind of money. I felt Williams looked good last night and to me has warranted keeping his place for the Cbus game, although Vanney probably won't do that.Commentator mentioned last night Perquis didn't play as he cannot do 3 games in a week, that sort of luxury is afforded to the likes of Pirlo and Villa, not a Perquis. I think the steadying influence of Moor can bring the best out of both players, so Williams at 5 yrs younger and near $300k cheaper shows how inflated Perquis wages are

I don't think I've watched a game where Perquis hasn't managed to mess up a routine defensive play. It's just a matter of it costing us or not.

Doucet3
06-02-2016, 02:23 AM
I would like to see the three DP cap hits completely taken off. $5 million cap for all non DPs. $5 million in TAM to add to that. Plus, 3 DP slots that don't count against the cap.

Bingo. DPs should not count against the cap and 5 mil should be used on the rest of the squad, that would leave us with more then enough room to sign a few players over normal salary like in defense and guys like Darren O'Dea wouldn't of had to leave.

Doucet3
06-02-2016, 02:26 AM
i really like MB and JOZY, but way overpaid for what they bring,a 6 mil stud #10 and 5 mil stud striker.the perquis 400 k you get a very good DM to replace bradley.

Considering only what $375K counts to the cap and the other "whatever".0 Million isn't coming out of your pocket what's the issue...