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OgtheDim
05-19-2016, 05:51 AM
Have at it people

Fort York Redcoat
05-19-2016, 08:06 AM
http://www.ejphoto.com/images_OR/OR_Trillium01.jpg

Let the biggest most glorious derby in MLS, nay, in the universe of flowers, begin anew...

Joe Kool
05-19-2016, 08:28 AM
Another game where we have to hope we don't need to make a sub? Or do we get Delgado and Osorio back?

ryan
05-19-2016, 11:05 AM
pls don't score keeper

Red CB Toronto
05-19-2016, 11:10 AM
pls don't score keeper

Just one of those unfortunate days of past years when the Crew rolled into town. Looking forward to Saturday and the 3 pts. for the Reds, just have a feeling about this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP71O_gYErg

Detroit_TFC
05-19-2016, 11:24 AM
I think we are going to learn some truths about where things are for TFC. Would really like to see them play like it's a home game rather than more like a road performance.

molenshtain
05-19-2016, 11:39 AM
I think we are going to learn some truths about where things are for TFC. Would really like to see them play like it's a home game rather than more like a road performance.

opening things up is exactly the reason we've dropped points the last two games. We're refusing to protect the fullbacks to the same extent we were before, and it's costed us quite at least 3 of the 5 goals we've given up over the last two games. A little more balance is what I'd prefer.

Detroit_TFC
05-19-2016, 11:50 AM
opening things up is exactly the reason we've dropped points the last two games. We're refusing to protect the fullbacks to the same extent we were before, and it's costed us quite at least 3 of the 5 goals we've given up over the last two games. A little more balance is what I'd prefer.

good point, definitely there is a change in approach between last few games and the first ones. The thing is, JA did a lot of defensive work in the early games, returning to something more like that will miss his contributions.

Cashcleaner
05-19-2016, 12:22 PM
Poor, poor Columbus. Just look at them now. Languishing near the bottom of the East with only 10 point after 10 games, they haven't won a game since their 1-0 home result against Houston way back on April 23rd. And they're away record is horrible with 3 loses, 2 draws, and not a single win on the road. TFC, on the other hand, is tied with Philly for 3rd place in the East with 15 points and a record of 4-4-3.

Weather at kick-off is expected to be partly sunny with a high of 18-19 degrees in the afternoon. We're also expecting sunny and mild weather coming into the match, so that means good opportunities to practise outside. Columbus has been experiencing similar weather, though, so no real advantage on that end for TFC. Anyway, TFC are the favourites here, even with a shaken-up roster thanks to Altidore's injury. Would love to see us blank them something like 3-0, but Kamara and Higuain are obvious threats. Arguably, Meram and Finlay as well. If we contain them, they don't have a lot of good offensive options left.

Either way, TFC should be playing for a solid win. I think we are well capable of it at home against a team like Columbus right now.

the beat
05-19-2016, 01:14 PM
Poor, poor Columbus. Just look at them now. Languishing near the bottom of the East with only 10 point after 10 games, they haven't won a game since their 1-0 home result against Houston way back on April 23rd. And they're away record is horrible with 3 loses, 2 draws, and not a single win on the road. TFC, on the other hand, is tied with Philly for 3rd place in the East with 15 points and a record of 4-4-3.

Weather at kick-off is expected to be partly sunny with a high of 18-19 degrees in the afternoon. We're also expecting sunny and mild weather coming into the match, so that means good opportunities to practise outside. Columbus has been experiencing similar weather, though, so no real advantage on that end for TFC. Anyway, TFC are the favourites here, even with a shaken-up roster thanks to Altidore's injury. Would love to see us blank them something like 3-0, but Kamara and Higuain are obvious threats. Arguably, Meram and Finlay as well. If we contain them, they don't have a lot of good offensive options left.

Either way, TFC should be playing for a solid win. I think we are well capable of it at home against a team like Columbus right now.

wut?

ronzilla
05-19-2016, 01:16 PM
Kamara is with NER

Areathrasher
05-19-2016, 01:20 PM
Ola Kamara ;)

http://www.onfieldmanagement.com/uploads/5/6/8/9/56893467/9731567_orig.jpg

OgtheDim
05-19-2016, 01:29 PM
As per a CBus journo, Tchani is still out injured. Without Tchani, CBus' already shaky defence has had issues.

https://twitter.com/smitchcd/status/733356566309666816

Cashcleaner
05-20-2016, 08:19 AM
wut?

My bad, he was traded a week ago. Well, there is another Kamara on their roster, but he's not really the same... :D

OgtheDim
05-20-2016, 09:14 AM
I'm slightly disappointed

https://twitter.com/smitchcd/status/733658997715243008

TFC Tifoso
05-20-2016, 09:29 AM
we will win for sure then.....last week's loss was because of the heritage kit, and although we were in full red on Wednseday, the soccer fairy only awarded us with a pont, just to make sure TFC learned their lesson.....all looks to be forgiven by the soccer fairy for tomorrow.....

Phil
05-20-2016, 09:38 AM
I will take our fake heritage kits over this train wreck anyday

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tlvxNcJv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qqzw7wbbnuzd6lyksrcq.png

molenshtain
05-20-2016, 10:09 AM
There's so many great faces in that picture. I'll cherish it forever.

Ruffian
05-20-2016, 10:13 AM
For all driving to the game

https://twitter.com/GardinerTraffic/status/733673644719755264

OgtheDim
05-20-2016, 11:15 AM
I'm thinking there is about 20K there for this game.

Holiday weekend

Its only CBus

Raptors that night

Time Change

Lennon
05-20-2016, 11:54 AM
How safe is it to lock up my expensive bike to the gate at BMO? Are there cops walking around that area during the game?

Cas87
05-20-2016, 11:55 AM
I'm thinking there is about 20K there for this game.

Holiday weekend

Its only CBus

Raptors that night

Time Change

Agreed,

22500 max probably.

molenshtain
05-20-2016, 11:55 AM
How safe is it to lock up my expensive bike to the gate at BMO? Are there cops walking around that area during the game?

I've done it quite a few times. Never had any problems. There's security and cops around the stadium during the game.

bigredone
05-20-2016, 12:04 PM
Security and cops? Well your bike will be ticketed for some violation and get a 208 to be entered into the database. But safe, indeed. :ihih:

barticusz
05-20-2016, 12:08 PM
Osorio is available according to Vanney. Great news, but Oso really needs to step up and make an impact on the score sheet.

Rory112
05-20-2016, 12:26 PM
Is there a fan march to ever game? I will be attending this Saturday and was wondering where and what time I could join a fan march to stadium!?

greatwhitenorf
05-20-2016, 12:26 PM
I will take our fake heritage kits over this train wreck anyday

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tlvxNcJv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qqzw7wbbnuzd6lyksrcq.png

Thank you for sharing an image of this travesty of a playing kit. Is there a worse one anywhere else in the world?

What kind of peyote would you have to be gobbling to think this was OK?

It still doesn't make our horrible heritage kit look acceptable. But this pissed-stained affair must cause all sorts of outrage - especially with the poor fans at other stadiums who get to see it.

Rory112
05-20-2016, 12:27 PM
I also have an extra ticket in section 224, row 9. $50 OBO

Ponderosa
05-20-2016, 12:33 PM
I really do hope Crew wears these on Saturday...just so we can make fun of them :o


I will take our fake heritage kits over this train wreck anyday

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tlvxNcJv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/qqzw7wbbnuzd6lyksrcq.png

Fort York Redcoat
05-20-2016, 01:13 PM
Is there a fan march to ever game? I will be attending this Saturday and was wondering where and what time I could join a fan march to stadium!?

Marches are reserved for special games.

OgtheDim
05-20-2016, 01:25 PM
And.........Go Train reductions




Train service on the entire Lakeshore East line will be reduced from every 30 minutes to every hour the long weekend of May 21 - 23, 2016 as we continue to upgrade Guildwood GO Station to make it more convenient for customers to access the station and GO services:



Eastbound trains will depart Union Station only at 13 minutes past each hour and all trains that usually depart Union Station at 43 minutes past each hour will be cancelled.
Westbound trains will depart Oshawa station only at 41 minutes past each hour and all trains that usually depart Oshawa station at 11 minutes past each hour will be cancelled.






Due to road and track work being done by the Town of Oakville on Fourth Line near Speers Road, Lakeshore West GO Train service will be reduced from every 30 minutes to hourly between Oakville and Aldershot the evening of May 20, and all day May 21 through 23.
Friday, May 20:



Eastbound trips that usually depart Aldershot at 8:31 p.m. and 9:31 p.m. will be cancelled between Aldershot and Oakville.
Westbound trips that depart Union Station at 7:13 p.m., 8:13 p.m., 9:13 p.m., 10:13 p.m. and 11:13 p.m. will end at Oakville.

Saturday, May 21, through Monday, May 23:



Eastbound trips that usually depart Aldershot at 31 minutes past the hour will be cancelled between Aldershot and Oakville.
Westbound trips that depart Union Station at 13 minutes past the hour will end at Oakville.

OgtheDim
05-20-2016, 01:28 PM
On a happier note, we are due for an offensive breakout


https://twitter.com/TRKingston/status/733434553830871045

Auzzy
05-20-2016, 01:31 PM
How safe is it to lock up my expensive bike to the gate at BMO? Are there cops walking around that area during the game?

I've never had any problems. I always use two locks. Cops won't be watching specifically, but if you lock to gate or something sturdy in an area that's busy, nobody is going to whip out a rechargeable angle grinder to crack your u-lock.


I also have an extra ticket in section 224, row 9. $50 OBO

The ticket trader thread for this game is here:
http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?38874-05-21-TFC-vs-Columbus-Crew-5-00-PM-(new-start-time)

Joe Kool
05-20-2016, 04:19 PM
GO train track/station maintenance this weekend...plan ahead if taking the GO in case it affects you.

Eastend
05-20-2016, 05:59 PM
^^hourly instead of every 1/2 hour on the Lakeshore lines...east and west.

ronzilla
05-20-2016, 08:58 PM
http://toronto-mp7static.mlsdigital.net/elfinderimages/2016-StartingXI-052116.png

ChrisFizik
05-20-2016, 09:31 PM
Sat here humming 'Yellow Submarine' getting ready for tomorrow....

OgtheDim
05-21-2016, 07:12 AM
Game Day :scarf:

Canary10
05-21-2016, 08:55 AM
So the Raptors and TFC are playing on the same day and the Go uses that weekend to cut service? That's the way to get people out of their cars!

Derko
05-21-2016, 09:00 AM
So the Raptors, Jays and TFC are all playing on the same day and the Go uses that weekend to cut service? That's the way to get people out of their cars!

You honestly didn't expect the planners to actually plan properly. I mean this is Toronto and the Government of Ontario we are talking about, they couldn't plan a " Piss up in a brewery FFS"

OgtheDim
05-21-2016, 09:14 AM
So the Raptors and TFC are playing on the same day and the Go uses that weekend to cut service? That's the way to get people out of their cars!

A few things about all this that bugs me

a) GO is laying on extra trains for Blue Jays weekend games and for the Beyonce concert - fair enough as those crowds are in excess of 50K.

b) After our games we got a few GO transit cops and a few city cops standing around making sure nobody goes gaga as 10K or so try to take the underpass towards Liberty Village because the TTC had to do track work on the exhibition loop. (At least on Wednesday they finally put in temp crash barriers so the taxis and stupid people trying to drive through that mess didn't hold up things)

c) there is absolutely NO way finding signage about how to take buses out of the Ex now. None.

Do people know there is a Dufferin bus out of the loop to the West?
Do people know there is now a streetcar every half hour out of that loop that runs on King?
Do people know there are shuttle buses taking people out near the east end to Fleet and Bathurst?
Of course not cause there is no freaking signage.
So we end up with 10K trying to mash their way north to and through Liberty Village.



The only saving grace in all this is by next year this all should be done and we will be back to watching people jump the cue to board streetcars where they are letting people off while the rest of us who go to the place where we have been told to lineup watch said streetcars go by, all under the watchful eye of one supervisor who spends most of his or her time trying to make sure people don't stand on the rails and get run over. :banghead:

Lennon
05-21-2016, 09:43 AM
I've done it quite a few times. Never had any problems. There's security and cops around the stadium during the game.


I've never had any problems. I always use two locks. Cops won't be watching specifically, but if you lock to gate or something sturdy in an area that's busy, nobody is going to whip out a rechargeable angle grinder to crack your u-lock.

Cheers guys. I'm going to risk it. Going to get there faster by bike than car coming from Queen's Quay.

ronzilla
05-21-2016, 11:25 AM
https://clothesbythehamper.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/tumbleweed-through-ghost-town.jpg

the beat
05-21-2016, 02:16 PM
Just fucking win.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-21-2016, 03:07 PM
We are going to have a comfortable win by 2 or 3 goals.
Gio gets one at least.

portu
05-21-2016, 03:16 PM
Why is Zavaleta starting over Perquis?! Is Damien seriously still getting benched for the Vancouver game really?!

shwade
05-21-2016, 03:23 PM
Why is Zavaleta starting over Perquis?! Is Damien seriously still getting benched for the Vancouver game really?!

Where did you see this? TFC ig is showing Williams in place of Perquis. Maybe Perquis picked up a knock?

Hugh Jazz
05-21-2016, 03:52 PM
No Finlay or Kamara, as long as Bradley and Johnson can contain Higuain we should be okay defensively. Not sure how we'll look going forward with this 3-5-2 set-up. This will be a good test for Chapman.

69Chevy396
05-21-2016, 03:59 PM
Why is Zavaleta starting over Perquis?! Is Damien seriously still getting benched for the Vancouver game really?!
Perquis has been one of the teams best players this year. His pass to Giovinco resulting in that highlight reel goal, was excellent. He makes fewer mistakes than Moor, but is given little notice or credit. And, he is better than the guy who is replacing him.

flatpicker
05-21-2016, 04:02 PM
I have a feeling this time change will hinder the crowd size today.
Hope I'm wrong.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-21-2016, 04:04 PM
Good stream:

http://giostreams.eu/86.html

jloome
05-21-2016, 04:05 PM
Where did you see this? TFC ig is showing Williams in place of Perquis. Maybe Perquis picked up a knock?

Official lineup on mlssoccer has us playing a 3-5-2 with Zavaleta Williams Moor on backline, Beita and Morrow playing high line, Johnson Bradley Chapman mid, Mo and Seba upfront.

portu
05-21-2016, 04:08 PM
What channel is the game on?

jloome
05-21-2016, 04:10 PM
What channel is the game on?

Sportsnet.

shwade
05-21-2016, 04:18 PM
Official lineup on mlssoccer has us playing a 3-5-2 with Zavaleta Williams Moor on backline, Beita and Morrow playing high line, Johnson Bradley Chapman mid, Mo and Seba upfront.

Hurts to see Gio saddled with Babouli and Chapman.

Jack
05-21-2016, 04:31 PM
Hurts to see Gio saddled with Babouli and Chapman.
Babouli is showing some flashes out there.

Jack
05-21-2016, 04:34 PM
It's very clear their plan is to press our defenders.

shwade
05-21-2016, 04:35 PM
Yeah he actually is..can see the improvement the past couple of games. But Chapman...

General Woolfe
05-21-2016, 04:40 PM
Why the drastic change in personnel and formation today?

Jack
05-21-2016, 04:42 PM
Why the drastic change in personnel and formation today?
Injuries, fatigue, recent results?

Jack
05-21-2016, 04:42 PM
Yeah he actually is..can see the improvement the past couple of games. But Chapman...
He looks a bit lost out there, doesn't he? But he seems to have made some slight improvements tonight. He's showing better intentions, even if his execution of said intentions isn't very great.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-21-2016, 04:53 PM
Sorry but Chapman is shite.

Jack
05-21-2016, 04:54 PM
Babouli has been all up in Columbus' face this match.

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 04:55 PM
Babouli is doing some good work.

I question whether putting an inexperienced player in the centre of midfield ever works (especially if it's not his natural position). They need to make life easier to chapman if he's going to contribute

shwade
05-21-2016, 04:57 PM
Babouli is trying too hard to make that highlight reel play...just keep it simple.
Chapman looks like a child playing among men. he's only comfortable passing back and seems afraid to get the ball on the attack.

bigredone
05-21-2016, 04:58 PM
Chapman really blew the pass from Seba with the defenders back turned to him. One touch is all he needed.

Jack
05-21-2016, 04:59 PM
Sorry but Chapman is shite.
He's not up to speed for an MLS starter, for sure.

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:00 PM
Yay, I woke up.

Seems like I haven't missed much. Though I'm actually kind of happy not to see Endoh playing. He really hasn't done much the last few games (other than scoring that goal).

portu
05-21-2016, 05:00 PM
Osorio for Chapman, Perquis for Zavaleta

Bobo
05-21-2016, 05:00 PM
When I posted before last match that I liked the idea of a 3-5-2, I didn't think Vanney would actually implement it in the following match. Credit to him, he's trying to use what he has to work with.

I like what Babouli has been doing. Not perfect by any means but the kid wants to play and can really become a handful when he harnesses his natural abilities.

shwade
05-21-2016, 05:01 PM
Yay, I woke up.

Seems like I haven't missed much. Though I'm actually kind of happy not to see Endoh playing. He really hasn't done much the last few games (other than scoring that goal).

He adds some creativity and spark that we lack going forward. Would like to see what kind of chemistry he could build with Babouli.

portu
05-21-2016, 05:02 PM
You know what I don't get? How Zavaleta gets games ahead of Hagglund, who has actually shown well for TFC II.

General Woolfe
05-21-2016, 05:02 PM
Poor first half. Columbus are the more dangerous side and look more likely to score. Our transition is laboured and we need to try and get the ball forward more quickly

General Woolfe
05-21-2016, 05:02 PM
You know what I don't get? How Zavaleta gets games ahead of Hagglund, who has actually shown well for TFC II.

Isnt he Vanney's nephew?

jloome
05-21-2016, 05:03 PM
Osorio for Chapman, Perquis for Zavaleta

Eh? I get Chapman as he's been shit and seems awed. But Zavaleta was really good in that first half!

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:04 PM
Osorio for Chapman, Perquis for Zavaleta
How healthy is Oso?

When I posted before last match that I liked the idea of a 3-5-2, I didn't think Vanney would actually implement it in the following match. Credit to him, he's trying to use what he has to work with.

I like what Babouli has been doing. Not perfect by any means but the kid wants to play and can really become a handful when he harnesses his natural abilities.
I agree. He is looking like he might be a very useful player with a bit more experience and getting to know his teammates.

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 05:05 PM
Eh? I get Chapman as he's been shit and seems awed. But Zavaleta was really good in that first half!
I know it's a packed week but one wonders if we're putting the goods in the shop window here.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:05 PM
You know what I don't get? How Zavaleta gets games ahead of Hagglund, who has actually shown well for TFC II.


Isnt he Vanney's nephew?
I don't think it's nepotism. Zavaleta is better with the ball at his feet than Hagglund, which is really useful in our system.

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:08 PM
I would be quite surprised to see Osorio this game. He looked quite hurt when he went off last game.

Is he even on the bench for this one?

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:09 PM
I would be quite surprised to see Osorio this game. He looked quite hurt when he went off last game.

Is he even on the bench for this one?
He is, but I was thinking the same thing. He might be there as a last resort, but he can't be ready to play considering the injury he took. Maybe he recovered well?

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:11 PM
I don't know ... I think you're right. He's probably just there to fill the spot.

Or not ...

Hugh Jazz
05-21-2016, 05:14 PM
Speak of the devil...

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:15 PM
I don't know ... I think you're right. He's probably just there to fill the spot.
Well, there he is. Hopefully, he holds up.

Let's go the second half!

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:17 PM
I guess if you're going to bring him in, halftime makes sense so that if he does aggravate his ankle, you can sub him out later more easily.

But then you've basically wasted 2 subs.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:20 PM
Holy shit that was close. Sloppy...

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:21 PM
At least we know Williams is a very serviceable backup.

Or not ...

Groin?

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:24 PM
Groin?
Good thing we have depth there.

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 05:25 PM
What kind of yellow card is that? Lol

Fullback play today 0/10

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:25 PM
Good thing we have depth there.

though Vanney is not using it and instead changing the formation.

Interesting move.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:26 PM
Fucking sloppy. Fucking sloppy.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:30 PM
We miss Altidore a lot up front. His ability to help us keep possession up there is really missing. We can't keep the ball once we get it up to the forwards.

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 05:30 PM
Why on earth are we trying again to play Endoh through the middle. Just stop.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:32 PM
Why on earth are we trying again to play Endoh through the middle. Just stop.
We're not getting much on the wings or up the middle with anyone right now.

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 05:34 PM
We're not getting much on the wings or up the middle with anyone right now.
But why not at least use a guy with decent pace out wide. He looks clunky in the centre.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:35 PM
Finally some pressure from us, but we get nothing from it.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:36 PM
But why not at least use a guy with decent pace out wide. He looks clunky in the centre.
I don't think Endoh can really defend enough to play on the side of the diamond.

shwade
05-21-2016, 05:37 PM
Beauty by Babouli.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:37 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? Dammit. What a play by Babouli!

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:38 PM
Arrrrgggghhhh .....

h

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:39 PM
We have to score while we are putting on this kind of pressure. It leaves us too vulnerable to a cheap one.

shwade
05-21-2016, 05:40 PM
Johnsons been quiet this half.

jloome
05-21-2016, 05:41 PM
C'bus getting tired.

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:43 PM
They seem to have forgotten Seba and Babouli are both kinda short ...

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:43 PM
C'bus getting tired.
Yes. Their full-court press all match is catching up to them and they haven't been able to capitalize on the turnovers the pressure got them.

shwade
05-21-2016, 05:43 PM
C'bus getting tired.

Babouli too.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:45 PM
Babouli too.
He's been going balls-out all game. With some experience, perhaps he'll learn to pick his spots just a little bit, which will make him more effective later in games. Still, I've been impressed with what he's shown tonight, so far.

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:47 PM
Maybe we can dump Altidore's contract and sign Ibrahimavic. :)

shwade
05-21-2016, 05:52 PM
Meram better get fucking fined heavy for that.

Jack
05-21-2016, 05:52 PM
How in the fuck is that a card on Beitashour? What the actual fuck?

James17930
05-21-2016, 05:52 PM
The hell was that?

He was trying to get out of the way.

James17930
05-21-2016, 06:03 PM
Pretty disappointing homestand.

General Woolfe
05-21-2016, 06:04 PM
Very poor. Really not good enough. You can see the cost of such quality DPs as Bradley & Seba by the lack elsewhere. You can get away with one, even two young players in your side, but when you start 4 or 5 if really shows.

That's also the good work we did on the road at the start of the season squandered now

Jack
05-21-2016, 06:04 PM
Fuck, that was frustrating to watch.

Onyx
05-21-2016, 06:05 PM
dropping points at home like crazy here .. what a waste of two hours

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 06:05 PM
Poor performance. Giovinco looks burdened by the rest of this team being unable to score. Beitashour and Morrow were awful. Babouli tried hard and had some moments, clearly fatigued from 70 onward. Both Osorio and Endoh completely ineffective as subs.

Anyway, let's move on and scub this one from the record.

69Chevy396
05-21-2016, 06:07 PM
Fuck, that was frustrating to watch.
I only watched the second half. It was the worst soccer I have seen in a long time.

Dub Narcotic
05-21-2016, 06:07 PM
Yeah, two points from nine at home is pretty disastrous. This team just does not have a lot of talent going forward. Without Altidore they can't play the long ball and they have no one to build through the back with. Jay Chapman is not a MLS player right now and should not be playing if there are other options.

ag futbol
05-21-2016, 06:15 PM
Yeah, two points from nine at home is pretty disastrous. This team just does not have a lot of talent going forward. Without Altidore they can't play the long ball and they have no one to build through the back with. Jay Chapman is not a MLS player right now and should not be playing if there are other options.
In his very, very, very, very, slight defense: they only got worse once the subs were made. Osorio and Endoh did nothing. At least chapman played one good ball over the top on a half volley in 45 minutes.

jloome
05-21-2016, 06:16 PM
Yeah, two points from nine at home is pretty disastrous. This team just does not have a lot of talent going forward. Without Altidore they can't play the long ball and they have no one to build through the back with. Jay Chapman is not a MLS player right now and should not be playing if there are other options.

They looked unmotivated for much of the first half, closing late, poor shape. Not sure what that was. Felt like a step back since they got home.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-21-2016, 06:21 PM
Just 2 things to say:

- Take out Seba. The leftover team is more toothless than we ever had in the club's 9 years history of failure.
- After 12 games down, this looks like a perfect middle of standings team. If something is not changed radically, don't even dream to be a contender this year, as many folks were already saying this after the 8 road games. It was just a balloon of hot air.

PizzaEatingYeti
05-21-2016, 06:25 PM
Fuck, that was frustrating to watch.
The scary thing is we can be happy that we got a point from this affair.
Shitlumbus had more clean chances, had a better overall play.

ManUtd4ever
05-21-2016, 06:32 PM
Not an inspiring effort. We could not hold possession or sustain any offensive pressure. Even so, we had more than enough set pieces to get 3 points today but the execution was abysmal.

Jack
05-21-2016, 06:36 PM
The scary thing is we can be happy that we got a point from this affair.
Shitlumbus had more clean chances, had a better overall play.
Yes. It was very uninspired. FFS, we had 13 corners and hardly anything from them.

notthesun
05-21-2016, 06:39 PM
Pretty bad home stand, it has to be said. Giovinco should've buried that pass from Babouli. Oh well.

Missing Altidore still hurts, don't know what the solution is to unlocking our offense with the guys we have available right now.

OgtheDim
05-21-2016, 06:43 PM
Morrow has had 3 poor games in a row.

Somebody other than Seba needs to take on the shot.

Chapman isn't good enough.

Vanney said the formation was because TFC only had 3 healthy mids. Cheyrou and Delgado available next week.

Bobo
05-21-2016, 06:44 PM
Three defenders hovered around the 70% passing mark. That equals far too many concessions of possession. They missed Perquis' distribution but at least they kept the clean sheet.

Seba taking corners is like Lebron James shooting free throws. They seem to be able to do everything but the simplest of things.

General Woolfe
05-21-2016, 06:45 PM
Just 2 things to say:

- Take out Seba. The leftover team is more toothless than we ever had in the club's 9 years history of failure.
- After 12 games down, this looks like a perfect middle of standings team. If something is not changed radically, don't even dream to be a contender this year, as many folks were already saying this after the 8 road games. It was just a balloon of hot air.

It will also be another year closer to the end of the contracts of Seba and Bradley. i would image the plan was to at least be contenders this year, possibly conference champs... presuming we have a plan of course

BelfastBoy
05-21-2016, 07:05 PM
It will also be another year closer to the end of the contracts of Seba and Bradley. i would image the plan was to at least be contenders this year, possibly conference champs... presuming we have a plan of course

The FO needs to learn how to build a squad with players from the Americas and then splurge on a DP striker.

C.Ronaldo
05-21-2016, 07:08 PM
That pass from babouli was sublime. Im hoping we can see more of that soon. Hopefully giovinco can start passing tk babouli as well, cant take every shot especially on a night your not finishing

SoccMan2
05-21-2016, 07:14 PM
Same shit different season, that good road start slowly going down the tubes, I've seen this movie before , like the past nine season, what a load of shit!

portu
05-21-2016, 07:37 PM
I'm just gonna say it: Seba hasn't been playing like 2015 Seba, no matter what the numbers are saying

OgtheDim
05-21-2016, 08:02 PM
Meram better get a game suspension for diving cause those two yellows were not deserved.

reggie
05-21-2016, 08:08 PM
The FO needs to learn how to build a squad with players from the Americas and then splurge on a DP striker.
they are..the prob is,it is of the north americas variety.im enjoying another 500 season.

Jack
05-21-2016, 08:25 PM
I'm just gonna say it: Seba hasn't been playing like 2015 Seba, no matter what the numbers are saying
I think he has been playing like 2015 Seba. But MLS defenders have now had a full year of him and many are seeing him for the second or third time, have seen tapes of his moves and have been coached to deal with him. He's not surprising players nearly as much as he was last year and he's getting triple-teamed regularly. This was bound to happen as MLS defenders, while not the best in the world, are still highly trained professional athletes who will learn things.

All the more reason we need other offensive threats to pull some of the pressure off of him.

That said, he missed some chances tonight that he normally would bury.

OgtheDim
05-21-2016, 08:38 PM
I'd be more worried if the league wasn't mostly 500 teams, with the East being really weak this season.

Hamilton_Red
05-21-2016, 08:39 PM
Wow - that was dire. We are a long way from being playoff contender. It's almost like we never actually practice corner kicks. Toothless.

Morrow cannot cross the ball to save his life. Johnson seems to have disappeared. We were lucky to get a point.

Vanney doesn't seem to have a clue.

69Chevy396
05-21-2016, 08:57 PM
I'm just gonna say it: Seba hasn't been playing like 2015 Seba, no matter what the numbers are saying
His being pissed off at mgmt may have something to do with it

Jack
05-21-2016, 09:48 PM
His being pissed off at mgmt may have something to do with it
He is? What's the source for this one?

TMAN80
05-21-2016, 09:49 PM
I'm just gonna say it: Seba hasn't been playing like 2015 Seba, no matter what the numbers are saying
These recent rusults have absolutely NOTHING to do with Seba, except for the fact that he is likely the most frustrated man in soccer, probably playing anywhere in the world right now. Look at the guys around him on this last homestand. He has NOTHING to work with, and shouldn't be expected to score and set up every single goal we ever score. That is beyond unreasonable. He has done everything expected and more. Time to look at the supporting cast...

69Chevy396
05-21-2016, 09:56 PM
He is? What's the source for this one?
Too many blanks to fill, but apparently Seba flew a doctor over from Italy, for unspecified reasons, and MLSE refused to cover the costs. Thats all that I know.

Jack
05-21-2016, 10:01 PM
Too many blanks to fill, but apparently Seba flew a doctor over from Italy, for unspecified reasons, and MLSE refused to cover the costs. Thats all that I know.
Hmmm. Rather a silly dispute, but so typical of MLSE. Anyway, as you said, too many blanks to fill. I don't see him trying any less on the field, so I don't know if it's affecting him.

reggie
05-21-2016, 10:07 PM
thats start the SEBA to QPR for Holliet rumors,the guy is working his ass off every game.give me a break with this doctor thing.

Hamilton_Red
05-21-2016, 11:15 PM
I won't be surprised if he moves in the next european transfer window. There are a lot of good teams looking that have lots of money. At the rate we are gojng it could be likely that we are marginal for the playoffs by late July.

Neither Alti or Bradley are true DP class anymore IMO. That is becoming clear with each passing match. There is no excuse for our abysmal home performances.

T-boy
05-22-2016, 01:05 AM
Seba looked like he was trying hard enough yesterday. I haven't seen a forward performance like that yesterday since Chad Barrett left TFC! In fact, Chad may have actually scored one of those chances! It was nothing to do with "mls defenders getting used to him" - Seba got through the defenders without problem - he just couldn't hit the target to save his life. Let's hope it was just "one of those games" (although, he did miss a one-on-one midweek also).

Hamilton_Red
05-22-2016, 01:08 AM
13+ corner kicks... their goalkeeper could have been sipping martini's during each of them. That's a sign of a dysfunctional team in my opinion. No coaching - no leadership on the field...no motivation. This team is in trouble unless something changes.

OgtheDim
05-22-2016, 07:38 AM
I won't be surprised if he moves in the next european transfer window. There are a lot of good teams looking that have lots of money. At the rate we are gojng it could be likely that we are marginal for the playoffs by late July.

Neither Alti or Bradley are true DP class anymore IMO. That is becoming clear with each passing match. There is no excuse for our abysmal home performances.


Much wrong with your narrative here.


a) Nobody in Europe will pay his current wage and have him guaranteed to start. They don't think he's good enough.


b) Dude, we are in 4th place in a weak division. We would have to lose every single game between now and the end of July to be out of........well actually we still would be in playoff contention even then. As has been said many times, competing for playoffs is not like competing for top spot in a league - you can lose and draw games and still be in it.


c) I have no clue where people get this idea that Bradley is crap. There is no statistical item that backs this up. During the game all I hear is "wow great pass Bradley".


Geez, chill. We are only 1/3 of the way through the season.

mistercorporate
05-22-2016, 07:52 AM
Lol exactly, franchise has never been better, fun team to watch, quality with depth, fantastic stadium thats now consistently filled to capacity and a fun community and yet we still bitch and complain. Maybe thats why we get all these shiny toys and a mature franchise built from scratch in under 10 years, or maybe wed still get the cool stuff if we appreciated all that we have!

Canary10
05-22-2016, 08:08 AM
Why is Bradley never in the mix on corners? He's one of our tallest players. Is he bad in the air or something? TFC has nevertheless been good on corners. Can't remember the last time we scored.

ManUtd4ever
05-22-2016, 08:14 AM
Why is Bradley never in the mix on corners? He's one of our tallest players. Is he bad in the air or something? TFC has nevertheless been good on corners. Can't remember the last time we scored.

Moor scored off a corner last weekend against Vancouver, but point taken. Our conversion rate has been terrible. We miss Henry in that regard.

Ultra & Proud
05-22-2016, 09:15 AM
Team played better on the road by committing 100% to defense first and waiting to counter. Since we got home and tried to change our game we've been fairly bad. Simple solution; play the way we did during that road trip until at least we get our full roster available again and maybe even then keep it up. Use what works.

Ultra & Proud
05-22-2016, 09:19 AM
And it might be time to at least consider some short corners. The lumping it into the mixer technique isn't working for shit.

Hamilton_Red
05-22-2016, 10:41 AM
Sorry about the negativity - you are probably right that the rest of the division is sufficiently shite that wont't wil be out of the playoffs until the final third or later. Our play isn't improving with time IMO.

£50k a week is affordable by any team in the premiership. Ranieri could sign 5-6 players at that rate. He has Champions League to offer...

Bradley's pass off the opening kick-off. It was like watching U14 rep soccer...gave up possession in seconds. I just don't see the leadership to get players playing above themselves. He can be a dominating player - as he was in his first 6-8 games after joining .. He hasn't regained that form IMO.



Much wrong with your narrative here.


a) Nobody in Europe will pay his current wage and have him guaranteed to start. They don't think he's good enough.


b) Dude, we are in 4th place in a weak division. We would have to lose every single game between now and the end of July to be out of........well actually we still would be in playoff contention even then. As has been said many times, competing for playoffs is not like competing for top spot in a league - you can lose and draw games and still be in it.


c) I have no clue where people get this idea that Bradley is crap. There is no statistical item that backs this up. During the game all I hear is "wow great pass Bradley".


Geez, chill. We are only 1/3 of the way through the season.

ag futbol
05-22-2016, 10:56 AM
Okay let me preface this by saying it's still just a not great week for the team as opposed to code red emergency.

Service to our forwards: simply not good enough. We need more creative industry from certain areas of the field. Seba, Jozy, Babouli, whoever... Have to drop back far too often to pick up the ball which takes them out of goal scoring positions.

I just don't see us having the right mix of players right now in the midfield. They really need to spend money on a playmaker. Have to question whether WJ, while a great player, is what we needed this offseason.

Hamilton_Red
05-22-2016, 11:06 AM
Nothing like a short road trip to break the pattern. Should be fun against a demoralized NYRB next week. What's more depressing is that both these last two games were against broken teams. New Manchester City with the ongoing Lampard debacle and Columbus trading the MLS joint top goalscorer for buttons. Both those games should have been 3 points in the bank. It was a massive opportunity lost and really begs questions about the motivation of this team?

notthesun
05-22-2016, 11:40 AM
I just don't see us having the right mix of players right now in the midfield. They really need to spend money on a playmaker. Have to question whether WJ, while a great player, is what we needed this offseason.

Eh, I think that's just a question of how we chose to allocate our too-limited resources. If we signed a creative midfielder instead of Johnson I think we'd have allowed a handful of more goals against by now. Plus, he has 2 goals and 3 assists now, pretty damn good for the position he plays. Unfortunately Osorio has been disappointing (he's always a slow starter for some reason) and we don't have the depth after that. The contracts given to Gomez and Kantari have handcuffed us. I have no doubt Gomez's cap space would be going to a new attacking player if it was available.

Auzzy
05-22-2016, 01:23 PM
Nothing like a short road trip to break the pattern. Should be fun against a demoralized NYRB next week. What's more depressing is that both these last two games were against broken teams. New Manchester City with the ongoing Lampard debacle and Columbus trading the MLS joint top goalscorer for buttons. Both those games should have been 3 points in the bank. It was a massive opportunity lost and really begs questions about the motivation of this team?

Not sure what you mean by demoralized NYRB. They beat NYCFC 7-0 yesterday. Although they started slower than last year, they're 3rd in the conference now (yet their PPG is a bit lower than TFC). They will be looking to continue that momentum next week.

Hamilton_Red
05-22-2016, 01:41 PM
It was an attempted use of irony. I'm more expecting a leathering for our boys.


Not sure what you mean by demoralized NYRB. They beat NYCFC 7-0 yesterday. Although they started slower than last year, they're 3rd in the conference now (yet their PPG is a bit lower than TFC). They will be looking to continue that momentum next week.

ag futbol
05-22-2016, 06:40 PM
Eh, I think that's just a question of how we chose to allocate our too-limited resources. If we signed a creative midfielder instead of Johnson I think we'd have allowed a handful of more goals against by now. Plus, he has 2 goals and 3 assists now, pretty damn good for the position he plays. Unfortunately Osorio has been disappointing (he's always a slow starter for some reason) and we don't have the depth after that. The contracts given to Gomez and Kantari have handcuffed us. I have no doubt Gomez's cap space would be going to a new attacking player if it was available.
Stats aside from WJ, he's just not a creative catalyst. I'd describe him as a box to box player with good supporting offensive qualities and outstanding work rate(which is what you pay for).

To me you plug WJ in Osorio's spot on the left side of the diamond. Sign the new attack focused player to play at the top of the diamond and have Delgado / Endoh fight it out for the right sided spot. I don't think we'd be giving up that much defensively.

portu
05-22-2016, 08:05 PM
Too many blanks to fill, but apparently Seba flew a doctor over from Italy, for unspecified reasons, and MLSE refused to cover the costs. Thats all that I know.
Let's hope he was doing a favour for Jozy

notthesun
05-22-2016, 08:50 PM
Stats aside from WJ, he's just not a creative catalyst. I'd describe him as a box to box player with good supporting offensive qualities and outstanding work rate(which is what you pay for).

To me you plug WJ in Osorio's spot on the left side of the diamond. Sign the new attack focused player to play at the top of the diamond and have Delgado / Endoh fight it out for the right sided spot. I don't think we'd be giving up that much defensively.

Don't disagree with any of that, I was just saying what you described would probably have more or less been the plan if we had more cap space (and maybe we sign someone to play at the top of the diamond in the summer if something with our cap can be engineered). But given that we had to buyout Kantari and are reportedly still paying for Gomez, after fixing the back line we could only really make one more big move, and with our defense as bad as it was last year I can't disagree with targeting a guy like Johnson instead of a playmaking mid.

BelfastBoy
05-23-2016, 08:57 AM
they are..the prob is,it is of the north americas variety.im enjoying another 500 season.

Look the squad of FC Dallas, they have the lowest payroll in the league and the results on the field are about the same (if not better) as our payroll, which is far more.

stevep
05-23-2016, 09:03 AM
anybody see if the last play of the game was a foul on seba?
they didn't show replay at the stadium, game ending on that play
he was in the penalty kick area

Ultra & Proud
05-23-2016, 09:41 AM
anybody see if the last play of the game was a foul on seba?
they didn't show replay at the stadium, game ending on that play
he was in the penalty kick area
Saw the replay. Wasn't much in it. Slight bump, hip to hip. Looked worse live and from the back side.

OgtheDim
05-23-2016, 01:02 PM
Soooooooo.....that defender who went down in the first half after Seba went by him and people were wondering why he just collapsed and then walked off.


https://twitter.com/smitchcd/status/734769296249892865

Canary10
05-23-2016, 01:42 PM
Soooooooo.....that defender who went down in the first half after Seba went by him and people were wondering why he just collapsed and then walked off.


https://twitter.com/smitchcd/status/734769296249892865

Those ones where you think nothing really happened tend to be the worst injuries.