When there is nothing left to burn - TFC Hosts Chicago Saturday 26 Sept 2 pm - TSN

[OgtheDim]

So Chicago went and fired Yallop and hired a new GM.

Will the Fire get the new coach/new GM bounce? I think that more depends on how we play this game then them - they have a limited capacity.

A win is the expectation. Not that it will be easy.

Lots of things to talk about this week.

[TFC07]

Gilberto's return to BMO field should be fun.

[Red CB Toronto]

Gilberto's return to BMO field should be fun.

i kind of wish we were able to see Gilberto find his full potentional at BMO Field, loved his Brazilion flare on the pitch !!

[Detroit_TFC]

That new coach bounce is a concern.

[Areathrasher]

The Fire play in Montreal on Wednesday too.

[Qman]

i kind of wish we were able to see Gilberto find his full potentional at BMO Field, loved his Brazilion flare on the pitch !!

U will on saturday when he fails to deliver again .... showing he's at best a NASL level striker

[Yohan]

U will on saturday when he fails to deliver again .... showing he's a best a NASL level striker
clearly you aren't aware of the Curse of Ex TFC Strikers :P

[CBTFC]

Should've used the title of one of Disclosure's best tracks..."when a fire starts to burn"

[OgtheDim]

Ooo...I like that. I thought the second half of this line plus the song title was apropos.

I was all ready to do another title and then read Yallop had been fired.

[Red CB Toronto]

U will on saturday when he fails to deliver again .... showing he's a best a NASL level striker

Did he not score 9 goals during his loan stint with Vasco in Brazil this year before joining the Fire !

[MightyDM]

TFC 3 - Gilberto 2 ���� ����

[Ivy]

TFC clean sheet. 3-zip.

[OgtheDim]

Did he not score 9 goals during his loan stint with Vasco in Brazil this year before joining the Fire !

In the State cup - the equivalent of MLS playing USL.

[Graeme]

Isn't Gilberto injured? I hink Fire fans have been quite pleased with his play so far.

[Initial B]

Ugh. I have a bad feeling the combination of new manager bounce and former TFC player coming back to haunt us means this could be another trap game. TFC is still inconsistent at the back and I'm sure the Chicago is looking at the tape. Meanwhile, it's almost impossible for Vanney to prepare for the game since nobody has seen how the new Chicago coach organizes the team around his tactics. I wish the sacking happened the week before or the week after this game. I get the feeling that it was done now because the Chicago FO thinks this is the most winnable game for the rest of the season.

[FRANKIE65]

Ugh. I have a bad feeling the combination of new manager bounce and former TFC player coming back to haunt us means this could be another trap game. TFC is still inconsistent at the back and I'm sure the Chicago is looking at the tape. Meanwhile, it's almost impossible for Vanney to prepare for the game since nobody has seen how the new Chicago coach organizes the team around his tactics. I wish the sacking happened the week before or the week after this game. I get the feeling that it was done now because the Chicago FO thinks this is the most winnable game for the rest of the season.

Remember, they have Montreal first. So hopefully (if it pumps them up) the result comes in that game. TFC should be well rested compared to the Fire.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Ugh. I have a bad feeling the combination of new manager bounce and former TFC player coming back to haunt us means this could be another trap game. TFC is still inconsistent at the back and I'm sure the Chicago is looking at the tape. Meanwhile, it's almost impossible for Vanney to prepare for the game since nobody has seen how the new Chicago coach organizes the team around his tactics. I wish the sacking happened the week before or the week after this game. I get the feeling that it was done now because the Chicago FO thinks this is the most winnable game for the rest of the season.

I'm not disagreeing with all you say but, B, we all just assume you're gonna have a bad feeling about the next match now...g:D

[Red CB Toronto]

I have a very positive view on Saturday, with the current state of the Fire. This game and the next vs. Philadelphia are ones the Reds need to pounce on before the sked gets tough to close out the season.

[FRANKIE65]

I have a very positive view on Saturday, with the current state of the Fire. This game and the next vs. Philadelphia are ones the Reds need to pounce on before the sked gets tough to close out the season.

Agreed. This three game stretch (including the win against Colorado) will tell the tale as to whether there is any chance of a top 4 spot, and, a home playoff match. After that if they can pull off a win vs Columbus, and, on the road in Montreal (that squad is starting to make me nervous) the squad could go into the playoffs on a high.
All that said, still some signs against Colorado that concerned me. Hopefully it WAS just the weather that messed things up in the second half.

[ManUtd4ever]

If Gilberto plays, it's almost a given that he'll score. Such is our luck based on past experience. We are going to need a good offensive game to win.

[OgtheDim]

Gilberto was subbed in at the 71st minute. I'm not certain of him starting on Saturday as the new Chicago coach will likely want to give freer reign to other strikers.

[notthesun]

Accam is the player we should be worrying about, not Gilberto. When we lost to them away early in the year he burned us in transition a bunch of times.

We're going to score against these guys. I think we'll get at least 3. We need another solid performance from Williams and especially Perquis at the back.

[jazzy]

we have to beat both Chicago then Philly , I don't think we'll beat Columbus or the red bulls .......they are fighting for first place . Beating Chicago is a must with Montreal playing as a team right now ,they are only 4 points behind . Our last game could be very important . If we end up in 5th place and Columbus stays in second , do we not play them ? wow

[notthesun]

we have to beat both Chicago then Philly , I don't think we'll beat Columbus or the red bulls .......they are fighting for first place . Beating Chicago is a must with Montreal playing as a team right now ,they are only 4 points behind . Our last game could be very important . If we end up in 5th place and Columbus stays in second , do we not play them ? wow

1st and 2nd get a bye. 3rd plays 6th and 4th plays 5th with higher seeds hosting.

[michaeltfc91]

When Giovinco ties and then breaks the MLS single season scoring record (combining goals and assists), what are we going to do to congratulate him? Record is 34 by Wondolowski, he is at 33 so even if it doesn't happen this Saturday it will happen one of these home games (let's hope). What should we do for him as this is a BIG DEAL!?

[Fort York Redcoat]

When Giovinco ties and then breaks the MLS single season scoring record (combining goals and assists), what are we going to do to congratulate him? Record is 34 by Wondolowski, he is at 33 so even if it doesn't happen this Saturday it will happen one of these home games (let's hope). What should we do for him as this is a BIG DEAL!?

I don't want to jump the gun just yet. He'll be passing Chad Barrett and Ryan Johnson

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12019860_10153024825046805_7798182517415018985_n.p ng?oh=96a20fe11cacec9dbc33dbaf51a0733c&oe=56973378

Barrett - 2 1/2 seasons
Johnson - 1 1/2 seasons

[JollyBenjabi]

When Giovinco ties and then breaks the MLS single season scoring record (combining goals and assists), what are we going to do to congratulate him? Record is 34 by Wondolowski, he is at 33 so even if it doesn't happen this Saturday it will happen one of these home games (let's hope). What should we do for him as this is a BIG DEAL!?


Not just a BIG DEAL but A BLOODY BIG DEAL!!!

[Ruffian]

I don't want to jump the gun just yet. He'll be passing Chad Barrett and Ryan Johnson

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12019860_10153024825046805_7798182517415018985_n.p ng?oh=96a20fe11cacec9dbc33dbaf51a0733c&oe=56973378

Barrett looks like a goblin here.

[Detroit_TFC]

That picture of Barrett is unpleasant.

[Areathrasher]

Sean Johnson and Eric Gerhig out for the rest of the season.

[flatpicker]

1st and 2nd get a bye. 3rd plays 6th and 4th plays 5th with higher seeds hosting.


Sure would be nice if we could move up a spot and actually get to host a playoff game. By the way, how does the over all set up work? Is each round single elimination? Or is there a home-and-away set up at any point, like in the semis? I can't keep up with it.

[OgtheDim]

1st round is single elimination.


After that 1st vs lowest and 2nd vs 2nd lowest in a home and away where highest seed plays the second game at home.


Winners - Highest seed has second game at Home


MLS Cup - Highest points total has home advantage

[flatpicker]

1st round is single elimination.


After that 1st vs lowest and 2nd vs 2nd lowest in a home and away where highest seed plays the second game at home.


Winners - Highest seed has second game at Home


MLS Cup - Highest points total has home advantage


Thanks for clearing that up.

Well, with 3 home games to go before Montreal, and a game in hand on the 3 teams above us, there is still a chance we can host a game in the first round. Damn, that sure would be nice.

[pekduck]

Chicago Fire goalkeeper Sean Johnson and defender Eric Gehrig to miss the remainder of the 2015 seasonhttp://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/09/22/chicago-fire-goalkeeper-sean-johnson-and-defender-eric-gehrig-miss-remainder

So... so much for that new coach bounce coming into BMO

[Pint]

Thanks for clearing that up.

Well, with 3 home games to go before Montreal, and a game in hand on the 3 teams above us, there is still a chance we can host a game in the first round. Damn, that sure would be nice.

FYI it's 4 home games (Chicago, Philly, NYRB and Columbus)

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/646381891180961792

Action Jackson returns.

[Initial B]

I'm not disagreeing with all you say but, B, we all just assume you're gonna have a bad feeling about the next match now...g:D
Well, someone's got to manage expectations - keep people from getting too high or low before/after every game. I go for the happy medium! g:D

That said, it's mostly the uncertainty that has me cautious. I'm sure I'll feel a lot better after seeing how they play Montreal tomorrow, and their injury news has me more encouraged (not that I would ever wish any bad on players, just facing a weaker lineup wouldn't hurt).

[flatpicker]

FYI it's 4 home games (Chicago, Philly, NYRB and Columbus)


Oh, right. Even better!

[Ultra & Proud]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/646381891180961792

Action Jackson returns.
Football without Jackson is nothing.

[OgtheDim]

I've never been sold on Johnson and Gehrig seemed somewhat lost at times. Mind you, the replacements may not be all that much better.

[jazzy]

I've never been sold on Johnson and Gehrig seemed somewhat lost at times. Mind you, the replacements may not be all that much better.

not sure about Johnsons his recent appearances before the injury were unbelievable , he made some incredible saves, and keep Chicago in many games .Better than ours .

[molenshtain]

not sure about Johnsons his recent appearances before the injury were unbelievable , he made some incredible saves, and keep Chicago in many games .Better than ours .


Johnson is a lot like most MLS keepers - he can consistently make some brilliant saves but is good about once a game for an outrageous error. He also can't organize a defense. He's young though, especially for a keeper, so I'm sure he'll get better.

He's up for an extension and raise this off season though, so most Fire fans think he'll be off to Scandinavia in the winter.

[OgtheDim]

Johnson is a lot like most MLS keepers - he can consistently make some brilliant saves but is good about once a game for an outrageous error. ...


Agreed. Part of the issue I have with the "Bendik is awful" that swings to "Konopka is awful" meme up here is we have never had a keeper who doesn't make those errors. In MLS, there is Hamid, Rimando and most of the time Robles. All the rest are a judged based on how often they mess up.

[Initial B]

^ Don't forget Ousted. He's really underrated.

[molenshtain]

Agreed. Part of the issue I have with the "Bendik is awful" that swings to "Konopka is awful" meme up here is we have never had a keeper who doesn't make those errors. In MLS, there is Hamid, Rimando and most of the time Robles. All the rest are a judged based on how often they mess up.

one could argue Frei and Ousted have played themselves up into that upper echelon, but even they have major shortcomings. Overall though yeah, pretty much every goalie outside those top 5 are fairly interchangeable in the actual value they bring game in, game out.

[zeelaw]

If anyone chants TO Reject at Gilberto this Saturday, you're an idiot.

[Red4ever]

If anyone chants TO Reject at Gilberto this Saturday, you're an idiot.

But a banner is okay? *ducks*

[Ultra & Proud]

If anyone chants TO Reject at Gilberto this Saturday, you're an idiot.
No real difference between doing it to him like it was done to the other 50+ guys we've moved out in the past.

[Mateo1985]

Does Gilberto speak english? May be he wouldn't even care about that chant lol

[flatpicker]

If anyone chants TO Reject at Gilberto this Saturday, you're an idiot.

You won't catch me saying that. In fact, I never say that to a former player, unless maybe they're an asshole and left Toronto in a huff. But, Gilberto, I have nothing against that guy. I see him as a victim of disorganized management. I wish him luck... just not against us.

[Fort York Redcoat]

No real difference between doing it to him like it was done to the other 50+ guys we've moved out in the past.

Nope. You're right. If we had to look at every trade as a win/lose before we chanted that...

[zeelaw]

But a banner is okay? *ducks*
I'm recognizing that username now :P

[zeelaw]

No real difference between doing it to him like it was done to the other 50+ guys we've moved out in the past.
Yeah and the majority of those names it was completely unfair. People actively chant that at good players we had who gave their all for the club, many who didn't want to leave.

[Phil]

Remember that the DVP is closed, so be sure to get down to the stadium early to avoid traffic. I think it would be great if the stadium was a little more packed for kick off.

[notthesun]

Of note for Chicago's game vs. Montreal tonight, Igboananike and Nyarko are both 1 yellow away from suspension for the match vs. TFC this weekend. If Igbo gets a yellow that probably means a start for Gilberto against us.

[vortexdr]

Hehe I'm pretty sure people here would even be happy with Neuer in goal. Then again i guess a sweeper keeper with the atrocious defenders in front of him would never work in MLS....

[Richard]

Hehe I'm pretty sure people here would even be happy with Neuer in goal. Then again i guess a sweeper keeper with the atrocious defenders in front of him would never work in MLS....

Neuer would basically be the best CB in the league as a sweeper keeper LOL, the dudes like a fifth defender in the way he plays out of the back.

[OgtheDim]

Remember that the DVP is closed, so be sure to get down to the stadium early to avoid traffic. I think it would be great if the stadium was a little more packed for kick off.


Good news.

The DVP is open on Saturday. (http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=ab601fbd85412410VgnVCM100000 71d60f89RCRD)

[Petor]

Good news.

The DVP is open on Saturday. (http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=ab601fbd85412410VgnVCM100000 71d60f89RCRD)

Weather is going to be good too, no excuses! :)

[Ultra & Proud]

Tonight's match is going to be interesting. Looking to see how the Fire respond to the management purge. Will it be dead cat bounce or TFC fumble. Will be tough in Montreal for them.

[trane]

I hope that Vanney leaves the line up pretty much as it was, we need some consistency. Not saying that we could not plug in a couple of players, but the shape worked, the two DMs shilded the CBs, and we need to try to get a pairing going in the position.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Hoping to see Jackson instead of Delgado at right back, was shakey back there for good portions of the game, prefer him in the middle

[trane]

^ that is one of the changes I was thinking about.

[OgtheDim]

Would be quite happy to see a right side of Jackson and Gomez.

[Ivy]

I'd be happy to see no line up changes for once.

[Yohan]

I want to say a game where Giovinco gets to run at Ty Harden should be a win for TFC, but knowing our luck, Ty Harden probably scores a brace for Chicago

[Oldtimer]

So much for the "new coach bounce," Montreal beat Chicago 2-1.

[Areathrasher]

So much for the "new coach bounce," Montreal beat Chicago 2-1.

On tonight's game from a Fire beat guy


Frank Yallop may be gone but the look and the results weren't any different for the Fire. A 2-1 loss in Montreal featured many of the issues that were evident during the first 29 games of the season. Lack of finishing when given chances, no possession coupled with weak midfield play, and the seemingly inevitable late game defensive breakdown were all there to behold once again with Brian Bliss and Logan Pause on the sidelines.
The old sports adage that teams get a bump when coaches are replaced doesn't always apply. There may be some individual talent but this Fire roster simply isn't good enough and any notion that a few minor changes will result in a dramatic turnaround into contention for something substantial next year should be dispelled as dubious thinking at best. The entire back line needs to be revamped, and central midfield and forward need upgrades. Those aren't minor tweaks.

[OgtheDim]

That miss by Accam was epic.

https://twitter.com/ThroughBalls/status/646862258035888128

[Phil]

Good news.

The DVP is open on Saturday. (http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/contentonly?vgnextoid=ab601fbd85412410VgnVCM100000 71d60f89RCRD)
Thank you for that, happy to be wrong :)

As well...


I just had Caldwell call me and he knows this message isn't aimed at the supporters, he wants people in early.

I know I looked at the crowd last weekend at kick off and felt bad. It was a half empty stadium.

Steven is going to be coming by and saying hi prior to the game about 1:45 ish in the south stands.

[Blizzard]

If anyone chants TO Reject at Gilberto this Saturday, you're an idiot.

I'll go ape-shit if I hear that chant!

[Detroit_TFC]

That miss by Accam was epic.

https://twitter.com/ThroughBalls/status/646862258035888128

That miss was jaw dropping. Chicago had enough chances they should have drawn that game.

After what I saw last night, I fully expect Larentowicz to man mark Giovinco and hard foul him whenever he can but there will be opportunities for others to get in and score.

[ensco]

I'd like to give him a hand Saturday. I hope they sub him off so we can do that.

Seeing this always puts a smile on my face


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9K6Q2_aIT4

[Fort York Redcoat]

Hoping to see Jackson instead of Delgado at right back, was shakey back there for good portions of the game, prefer him in the middle

I can't be too critical of Delgago. Him playing RB seems to be only half his duties. It just depends on how Vanney presents the lineup. I don't know if he keeps cheating up to midfield our its Vanney's direction to get his ass back to help Williams every time but I think "shaky" is pretty much manic double duty. No real difference than what's expected from Jackson, though.

[JollyBenjabi]

I'd like to give him a hand Saturday. I hope they sub him off so we can do that.

Seeing this always puts a smile on my face


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9K6Q2_aIT4


Would love to see TFC show this video! Make fun of the cry baby at the same time as saluting Gilberto!

[jloome]

I can't be too critical of Delgago. Him playing RB seems to be only half his duties. It just depends on how Vanney presents the lineup. I don't know if he keeps cheating up to midfield our its Vanney's direction to get his ass back to help Williams every time but I think "shaky" is pretty much manic double duty. No real difference than what's expected from Jackson, though.

Delgado played most of a season at RB for Chivas. EDIT: And was one of their few decent players.

[Oldtimer]

That miss by Accam was epic.

https://twitter.com/ThroughBalls/status/646862258035888128


That miss was jaw dropping. Chicago had enough chances they should have drawn that game.

After what I saw last night, I fully expect Larentowicz to man mark Giovinco and hard foul him whenever he can but there will be opportunities for others to get in and score.

Haven't seen one that bad since a sitter was missed by a certain Cunningham.

[Joe Kool]

Haven't seen one that bad since a sitter was missed by a certain Cunningham.

Oduro had a beauty recently when Impact played us at BMO. I think even worse than Accam's. Would have to go back to re-watch it to confirm but I remember it being really bad from where I was in 114.

Yup...added it here now. Beauty. If Accam wants to do this on Saturday I am ok with it. Let's hope these types of chances don't pop up though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eimMCEhNgYk

[notthesun]

Haven't seen one that bad since a sitter was missed by a certain Cunningham.

Maicon Santos ignoring Stevanovic and missing a wide open net from 6 yards out is still the worst thing I've ever seen in MLS. Equal parts awful finishing and selfish, borderline narcissistic play.

[Richard]

Oduro had a beauty recently when Impact played us at BMO. I think even worse than Accam's. Would have to go back to re-watch it to confirm but I remember it being really bad from where I was in 114.

Yup...added it here now. Beauty. If Accam wants to do this on Saturday I am ok with it. Let's hope these types of chances don't pop up though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eimMCEhNgYk

That's hilarious, its just needs the Benny Hill theme and its perfect.

[QBall]

That miss by Accam was epic.

https://twitter.com/ThroughBalls/status/646862258035888128

That one clip summarizes the whole Chicago Fire season. I don't expect much to change Saturday.

[jloome]

Maicon Santos ignoring Stevanovic and missing a wide open net from 6 yards out is still the worst thing I've ever seen in MLS. Equal parts awful finishing and selfish, borderline narcissistic play.

https://youtu.be/T2atXxEEFL4

Kamara's is considered one of the worst ever. He missed it with both feet on the goalline, then knocked it in with his hand.

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Fuck it, I give up. How the fuck do you embed on this damn board?

[ronzilla]

https://youtu.be/T2atXxEEFL4

Kamara's is considered one of the worst ever. He missed it with both feet on the goalline, then knocked it in with his hand.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/T2atXxEEFL4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fuck it, I give up. How the fuck do you embed on this damn board?

Go Advanced > Click the small red youtube icon and paste in the URL

[ensco]

Kamara is the gold standard.

Larin's in the Gold Cup might be the best of the rest

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rqGjtrm13Yo

[MightyDM]

What adds to the Gilberto goal so much is the reaction of the rest of the team - they were all thrilled for him. Watch Luke Moore and how thrilled he was. There was some team spirit at that moment.

[jazzy]

So much for the "new coach bounce," Montreal beat Chicago 2-1.

one word Drogba ........

[Auzzy]

Kei Kamara's miss with the proper music:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqylIeXhak

[jazzy]

That miss was jaw dropping. Chicago had enough chances they should have drawn that game.

After what I saw last night, I fully expect Larentowicz to man mark Giovinco and hard foul him whenever he can but there will be opportunities for others to get in and score.

but Drogba got away with murder and you know Gio will be tossed everywhere and probably end up with the foul . Kinda shitty Drogba ( as much as he's bringing excitement to MLS), is apparently given free reign while Gio is simply disrespected by the refs .

[jloome]

https://youtu.be/T2atXxEEFL4

Kamara's is considered one of the worst ever. He missed it with both feet on the goalline, then knocked it in with his hand.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/T2atXxEEFL4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fuck it, I give up. How the fuck do you embed on this damn board?

https://youtu.be/T2atXxEEFL4

[ensco]

Since we've been discussing what is wrong with this team (here and in the Yallop thread), thought I'd point this out. Moving Rolfe out was probably the biggest single mistake they have made

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2015/09/24/chris-rolfe-signs-contract-extension-with-d-c-united/

[Oldtimer]

Since we've been discussing what is wrong with this team (here and in the Yallop thread), thought I'd point this out. Moving Rolfe out was probably the biggest single mistake they have made

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2015/09/24/chris-rolfe-signs-contract-extension-with-d-c-united/

... and that was Yallop's doing.

[Ultra & Proud]

... and that was Yallop's doing.
I think he and Klopas are done in MLS now or at least should be. Then again I said that before the Fire & Impact hired them.

[Ruffian]

Is Kantari eligible to play this Saturday?

[notthesun]

Is Kantari eligible to play this Saturday?

Yes, but zero chance he starts after the performance of Perquis & Williams in the middle vs. Colorado.

[PopePouri]

Yes, but zero chance he starts after the performance of Perquis & Williams in the middle vs. Colorado.

I think Kantari will get the start actually. Perquis has been too inconsistent.

[mastermixer]

I think Kantari will get the start actually. Perquis has been too inconsistent.

Kantari hasn't been any better tbh. Both him and Perquis are a little heavy footed even for CB's. Not a good quality to have in this league.

[ensco]

... and that was Yallop's doing.

Sorry, that's not knowable, and this argument is a rehash of the 2010 Mo/Preki argument.

This move, and all moves like this, are on the GM. If the GM chose to move a guy of that stature based on what his coach says, that is still on the GM.

[PopePouri]

Kantari hasn't been any better tbh. Both him and Perquis are a little heavy footed even for CB's. Not a good quality to have in this league.

Agreed. Problem with Perquis is that when he's aggressive but doesn't have the recovery speed. Kantari may be slower but I think he's more positionally aware, and that compliments Williams who's more athletic. Being left footed also helps.

[portu]

Sorry, that's not knowable, and this argument is a rehash of the 2010 Mo/Preki argument.

This move, and all moves like this, are on the GM. If the GM chose to move a guy of that stature based on what his coach says, that is still on the GM.
I think I read somewhere (ESPN FC maybe) that this was Yallop's first chance to finally take full control from a squad management perspective. So, trading Rolfe would, in fact, be on him

[Areathrasher]

Sorry, that's not knowable, and this argument is a rehash of the 2010 Mo/Preki argument.

This move, and all moves like this, are on the GM. If the GM chose to move a guy of that stature based on what his coach says, that is still on the GM.

There was no GM in Chicago. Yallop had complete control.

Chicago was supposed to be Yallop's dream job, the one where he finally got to call all the shots on the player personnel side instead of having to report to a general manager like he did in stints with the San Jose Earthquakes and LA Galaxy. When he was handed the keys, though, too many of his moves didn't pan out.

http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/19/blog/post/2626060/frank-yallop-exit-from-chicago-comes-with-the-fire-at-a-low

[Oldtimer]

There was no GM in Chicago. Yallop had complete control.


http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/19/blog/post/2626060/frank-yallop-exit-from-chicago-comes-with-the-fire-at-a-low

That doesn't line up with ensco's narrative that Yallop would have been an amazing upgrade from Vanney, so he blames the non-existent GM. As I said, the trade that ensco criticized was Yallop's doing.

The fact is, the failure of Chicago is 100% on him. He would have been a good choice for TFC in 2007, in MLS 3.0? Not so much, he's a dinosaur and couldn't adapt. I'd take him to run our TFC II squad, which doesn't have world-class DPs to play or play against and hasn't done so well in their league.

Funny thing from the article that you quote:


However, Yallop never managed to sort out the rest of his defense. This wasn't so much the first domino to fall, but rather a Stonehenge-sized megalith that toppled over and destroyed much of what Yallop was trying to build. Isn't Yallop's major failure exactly what Vanney-haters want to see improved?

Now back on topic, TFC needs to get maximum points in this game, no excuses.

[notthesun]

I think Kantari will get the start actually. Perquis has been too inconsistent.

I don't think either has been good but it's a bad look for a coach to bench a guy after his best performance of the season when there is no obviously better choice. Between two inconsistent players you go with the guy who's looked better more recently. It's gonna be Perquis & Williams again, guaranteed.

[ensco]

Re Rolfe, I stand corrected.

Re the "narrative" comment, what a fricking joke. I want to see Yallop at the CMNT, which I have posted numerous times. Try reading my posts.

I'll tell you what the "narrative" is: totally biased/negative toward Yallop. This endless "MLS 2.0/3.0" crap is nothing but some form of discrimination based on age, or the way the guy sounds, or some kind of CMNT complex or inferiority complex, or something. I don't know what.

He is a decent coach who had a bad stint in Chicago but had a decent record for a long time before that. He deserves better than what he is getting from pretty much everyone here.

[PopePouri]

TBF, I'd take Yallop over Floro.

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/647443182637219840

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPwiDHJWgAQVaF0.png

[PopePouri]

We threw out the diamond a long time ago. Don't know why they're still predicting it.

[portu]

We threw out the diamond a long time ago. Don't know why they're still predicting it.
Still think it's our best option when at full strength though

[OgtheDim]

Something tells me 3-5-2. The flat 4-4-2 worked against Colorado but Chicago's midfield is so poor we could throw Gomez in as the link from midfield to the forwards and not miss a beat in the middle.

[Oldtimer]

Re Rolfe, I stand corrected.

Re the "narrative" comment, what a fricking joke. I want to see Yallop at the CMNT, which I have posted numerous times. Try reading my posts.

I'll tell you what the "narrative" is: totally biased/negative toward Yallop. This endless "MLS 2.0/3.0" crap is nothing but some form of discrimination based on age, or the way the guy sounds, or some kind of CMNT complex or inferiority complex, or something. I don't know what.

He is a decent coach who had a bad stint in Chicago but had a decent record for a long time before that. He deserves better than what he is getting from pretty much everyone here.

I can't believe that today I am being accused of discrimination based on someone being too old! :lol: ensco, thanks for the laugh, you made my day.

As far as MLS 2.0/3.0 if you don't see any major changes in MLS since 2007, there's not much more to be said.

[ensco]

I think the Dynamo in 2007 (Ching, Clark, Dero and Davis, all in their prime), plus a young Holden and a veteran Moreno in supporting roles, plus a bunch of other very recognizable/serviceable MLS players, would beat any so- called MLS 3.0 team.

[QBall]

Kamara is the gold standard.

Larin's in the Gold Cup might be the best of the rest

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rqGjtrm13Yo

There's so many viable candidates for the worst open net miss of all time it's impossible to pick the worst. However that doesn't mean we can't have fun judging:

https://youtu.be/nheqIyHUwUg

[OgtheDim]

Just got emailed this


The regular season is winding down and every game is important! Your Reds need you in your seats supporting. Show up early for your chance to win 2016 Season Seats for Free!

Be sure to scan your ticket by 1:45 PM at BMO Field this Saturday, September 26th and be in your seats for the first half to be eligible to win!


This will be going on each game for the rest of the season.

[notthesun]

Something tells me 3-5-2. The flat 4-4-2 worked against Colorado but Chicago's midfield is so poor we could throw Gomez in as the link from midfield to the forwards and not miss a beat in the middle.

I doubt we move away from 4 at the back at all for the rest of the year.

[Fort York Redcoat]

He deserves better than what he is getting from pretty much everyone here.

He thinks so too.


TBF, I'd take Yallop over Floro.

I doubt he'll take the job again though. Not that the CSA is done with Floro anyway.

[Auzzy]

Just got emailed this


The regular season is winding down and every game is important! Your Reds need you in your seats supporting. Show up early for your chance to win 2016 Season Seats for Free!

Be sure to scan your ticket by 1:45 PM at BMO Field this Saturday, September 26th and be in your seats for the first half to be eligible to win!


This will be going on each game for the rest of the season.

That's actually a really smart move IMO! Now 2pm on a Saturday this time of year is nuts, there is so much else happening. I'm going to have to seriously piss off the family if I want to be there on time. But this will have me trying harder. Chance to win your season tickets; chance for more concession sales at BMO, etc.

I came very late to one of the recent games, I was feeling horrible. Then I couldn't believe the masses of people casually still streaming towards the stadium.

[kwhisperer]

Happy to see the notice go out because it means every player - barring injury - will be there for every game and there will be no games missed for USMNT call-ups.

[jloome]

Since we've been discussing what is wrong with this team (here and in the Yallop thread), thought I'd point this out. Moving Rolfe out was probably the biggest single mistake they have made

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2015/09/24/chris-rolfe-signs-contract-extension-with-d-c-united/

The biggest single mistake they made was moving Jeff Larentowicz to center back after being a defensive mid his entire career, then expecting him to not only start every week but anchor the backline. Chicago has lots of options going forward but a defense that sometimes makes ours look competent.

Rolfe is good; they moved him because he gets injured a lot and drifts in and out of games. But they could have used him, for sure; he's been like his old self at DC.

[jloome]

That's actually a really smart move IMO! Now 2pm on a Saturday this time of year is nuts, there is so much else happening. I'm going to have to seriously piss off the family if I want to be there on time. But this will have me trying harder. Chance to win your season tickets; chance for more concession sales at BMO, etc.

I came very late to one of the recent games, I was feeling horrible. Then I couldn't believe the masses of people casually still streaming towards the stadium.

Steven Caldwell was on the radio the other day imploring people to show up on time for morale reasons. This really pisses me off; I live 2000 miles away and get to go to maybe one game a year, and those who can go every week just blame traffic. LEAVE. EARLIER.

[DinamoTFC]

There really is no excuse to being late other than when maybe the ex was on or subways were down. People just need to leave early. It would also be great if we could start doing some choreography/tifo like many of the other clubs do, but that requires everyone being in their seats on time. We are seriously lacking in this department.

[SuperTCP]

There really is no excuse to being late other than when maybe the ex was on or subways were down. People just need to leave early. It would also be great if we could start doing some choreography/tifo like many of the other clubs do, but that requires everyone being in their seats on time. We are seriously lacking in this department.

I went to all games during the Ex and got to game with no issues. The worst game to get to this year was when they shut down Lakeshore for PanAm Games (Jamison Exit was also closed). I left super early, took me over 2 hours to get to the game, I made it at kick off but there was less then 1000 people in their seats.

[ag futbol]

Re Rolfe, I stand corrected.

Re the "narrative" comment, what a fricking joke. I want to see Yallop at the CMNT, which I have posted numerous times. Try reading my posts.

I'll tell you what the "narrative" is: totally biased/negative toward Yallop. This endless "MLS 2.0/3.0" crap is nothing but some form of discrimination based on age, or the way the guy sounds, or some kind of CMNT complex or inferiority complex, or something. I don't know what.

He is a decent coach who had a bad stint in Chicago but had a decent record for a long time before that. He deserves better than what he is getting from pretty much everyone here.
What is it about yallop that makes you think he's the guy for the CMNT?

To be perfectly honest with you I've mostly stopped following the nats with their endless level of hopelessness. The CSA (cheap target I know) simply can't get the pipeline going and the player pool is very weak. Any improvements we do make are negated by other concacaf teams improving more in comparison.

I'm not sure any coach will be the magic bullet but I fail to see the appeal of Yallop.

[ensco]

What is it about yallop that makes you think he's the guy for the CMNT?

To be perfectly honest with you I've mostly stopped following the nats with their endless level of hopelessness. The CSA (cheap target I know) simply can't get the pipeline going and the player pool is very weak. Any improvements we do make are negated by other concacaf teams improving more in comparison.

I'm not sure any coach will be the magic bullet but I fail to see the appeal of Yallop.

He would play the MLS guys, for a start. Sitting Osorio and playing some guy from the Israeli fourth division, that was unreal.

Beyond that, even if you think he totally failed in Chicago, Yallop is by the best Canadian coach out there, and given where we are, I think I'd like to see that. I could see bringing in a hired gun if we were close, but we need to build something over many years here. No way Floro is that guy.

[OgtheDim]

Spec by Molinaro

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/647560348745232384

[Ivy]

Orlando beat NYRB...

God F-ing damn it.

[tfcleeds]

Orlando beat NYRB...

God F-ing damn it.

All of the sudden, things are getting real interesting, and not in a good way for TFC. Absolutely need 3 points today - anything less, and it will be white-knuckle ride from here on in, if it isn't already.

[OgtheDim]

GAME DAY!!! :scarf:

Gorgeous weather today - 20 feeling like 23 winds out of the east at 21 kmh


TTC - SRT Closed

Road closures - just the usual Gardiner missing a lane thing

Blue Jays game today is at 1:07.


A reminder, show up 15 minutes before the match and you have a 1 in 12000 or so chance of getting your season's free next year. Hey - its beats the Lotto Max and its more fun when you show up early. :thumbsup:

[OgtheDim]

Notes from twitter via Larson


https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/647756793800720385


https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/647755889529720832


https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/647753913790267392


And something from Molinaro http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/gilberto-mls-major-league-soccer-toronto-fc-tfc/

[OgtheDim]

We can do this.

We have the superior team.

Their midfield is a wreck.

We are at our pitch.

We have our supporters.



Time to step up.


:scarf:

[TFC/Everton]

WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN

No excuses, no "we shoulda won" bullshit, just fucking win.

See you all down at BMO.

[Fort York Redcoat]

What is it about yallop that makes you think he's the guy for the CMNT?

To be perfectly honest with you I've mostly stopped following the nats with their endless level of hopelessness. The CSA (cheap target I know) simply can't get the pipeline going and the player pool is very weak. Any improvements we do make are negated by other concacaf teams improving more in comparison.

I'm not sure any coach will be the magic bullet but I fail to see the appeal of Yallop.

One guy does not make a pool, I know, but I find it ironic you posting that just hours before....


Orlando beat NYRB...

God F-ing damn it.

Cyle Larin is the new all time leading rookie scorer in MLS history.

There is positivity in the nats team. No different than the lean years at the club level.

[ManUtd4ever]

Gotta buck the trend against Chicago in recent years starting today.

[flamehawk]

A little last minute, but anyone interested in two free tickets to the game today? (One in 116 another in 221)

I woke up with a really bad flu unfortunately :(

send me a pm with an emial and I can send the tickets over.

[ensco]

How can guys be getting hurt by sprinkler heads at the training ground?

Somebody needs to take their job more seriously.

[molenshtain]

How can guys be getting hurt by sprinkler heads at the training ground?

Somebody needs to take their job more seriously.

would you take your job seriously if you worked for the Fire?

[sully]

Chicago were training at d ownsview yesterday? Why would the other team train there? If so isn't that weird?

[molenshtain]

Chicago were training at d ownsview yesterday? Why would the other team train there? If so isn't that weird?

where else would they train?

[sully]

In chicago. And before the game light training in stadium.

[Stress]

In chicago. And before the game light training in stadium.

They likely didn't go back to Chicago after Montreal on Wednesday.

[shwade]

Lololol

[andyboy]

Et tu Gilberto?

[tfcleeds]

You've got to be kidding me...and the former player goalscoring record against TFC continues. :facepalm:

[PAOK17]

LOL!

Wow our keepers are truly brutal. A pylon would have done a better job as it wouldn't have moved out of the way.

And 40 seconds????

[pdubs]

Why can't we have nice things?

edit- bad breakdown in midfield but Konopka must save that. If we don't upgrade from Konopka/Bendik then fuck this management staff.

[Richard]

Oh dear god.

Let us all pray for a moment to the soccer gods.

[jloome]

You've got to be kidding me...and the former player goalscoring record against TFC continues. :facepalm:

Perquis was close enough to close that down before it became a foray, but he'd already turned his back. If we have Williams and Perquis at center back in the playoffs, I can't see us going far. Assuming we make it.

[portu]

Nothing new

[jloome]

Playing to Toronto fans is a home field disadvantage. The stadium is three quarters empty at kickoff; how do people think that affects the morale of the two teams?

[pdubs]

We are just fragile.

[ag futbol]

Someone has to get a foot on that giovinco free kick... Easy tap in at the far post

[andyboy]

We are just fragile.

"Fra-gi-le, must be Italian."

[Richard]

Playing to Toronto fans is a home field disadvantage. The stadium is three quarters empty at kickoff; how do people think that affects the morale of the two teams?

I don't understand the mentality either, like are people so fucking lazy on a Saturday they roll out of bed like 30min before the game.

[jloome]

It's like Robbie Findley is allergic to scoring goals.

[pdubs]

Someone has to get a foot on that giovinco free kick... Easy tap in at the far post

It's such a good ball.

[shwade]

Daaaym. Gio doesn't trust his teammates

[pdubs]

Wish the rest of the team had Giovinco's fight

[jloome]

Giovinco is apparently our best defender, too.

[mowe]

Tuned in the third minute, burst out laughing when I saw Gilberto scored.

[jloome]

Which of our Moron coaches got rid of Frei again?

[jloome]

Twenty minutes in, stadium still half empty. People who think these "sellouts" are respectable are delusional.

[portu]

Thought: Bradley's wearing Pumas but I thought he was a Nike athlete

[ag futbol]

Lucky someone didn't capitalize there. Only in MLS would you see a 3 on 1 not even lead to a shot

[jloome]

Cheyrou is really fucking the dog as a DMid. He just can't close quick enough.

[PAOK17]

I don't understand the mentality either, like are people so fucking lazy on a Saturday they roll out of bed like 30min before the game.
I see this with people in general- not just sporting events. It's somehow considered uncool to arrive somewhere on time at a scheduled time. Could it be the younger demographic (if they are indeed younger)? I say this because in my early 20's my friends would always show up late to events, and now in my later 20's the person arriving late is the outlier.

The annoying part regarding TFC (or other sports) is people will arrive late and blame traffic or transit. The amount of traffic never actually changes. People just never plan for it and act surprised that they are ever stuck in it.

[CBTFC]

Get back from the beach just before kickoff, go to the kitchen to pour myself a sweet cold glass of coke zero, come back and it's 1-0 just minutes in.

fucks sakes.

[ag futbol]

Arriving late is definitely a Toronto thing more so than a kids thing. It's not like other cities have these problems and the demographic of the fans is similar

[jloome]

I see this with people in general- not just sporting events. It's somehow considered uncool to arrive somewhere on time at a scheduled time. Could it be the younger demographic (if they are indeed younger)? I say this because in my early 20's my friends would always show up late to events, and now in my later 20's the person arriving late is the outlier.

The annoying part regarding TFC (or other sports) is people will arrive late and blame traffic or transit. The amount of traffic never actually changes. People just never plan for it and act surprised that they are ever stuck in it.

I've been to a grand total of three games at BMO in nine years because I live in Alberta; and in each case, I was in a hotel downtown; and in each case, I was in my seat with beer and snacks ten minutes before kickoff. It's just bullshit. People want to know why Toronto teams always lose? Their harshest critics don't even care to get there on time.

[PAOK17]

Which of our Moron coaches got rid of Frei again?
This club is actually hilarious regarding our goalkeepers. I think only once did our initial backup deserve to overtake our starter and that was Frei over Sutton. And even then, Frei was brought in to replace Sutton- so not even intended as a backup. Look at our history...

Frei overtakes Sutton
Kocic overtakes Frei
Bendik over Frei/Kocic
Konopka over Bendik

We have progressively opted for a worse option than the previous keeper. Are we surprised we've hit rock bottom in this position?

[ronzilla]

What a fckn horror show

[portu]

Three subs: Delgado for Jackson, Findley for Herc, Altidore for Warner

[portu]

Holy shit

[pdubs]

He is so creative

[jloome]

What would we do without him? Miss the playoffs again, that's what.

[pdubs]

MVfuckingP

[mowe]

Lmao, if Osorio had more than a 6 inch vertical that'd be his goal.

[ronzilla]

Goal number 20 !

[adam1001]

Giovinco is playing with a bunch of scrubs. He can't rely on anyone on this team, so he defies physics and does it all himself. He is too good for this team.

[jloome]

We're playing well in the mid. Both Osorio and Giovinco have been given license to roam, it looks like.

[Dv23]

I'm almost positive that is Oso's goal, but he'll let Gio take it.

[ronzilla]

Their saying its Oso goal although looks like no contact with ball

[Redcoe15]

Fuck you, KJ! That goal's all Gio!

[jloome]

Fuck you, KJ! That goal's all Gio!

He's the one giving it to Seba. It was whats-his-name who said it should go to Oso.

[jloome]

I also notice that, as with McGee on that clean tackle, MLS 1.0 players bitch more than anyone in the league at the ref without cause. I can't imagine reffing in this league ten years ago.

[pdubs]

What a fucking build up

[portu]

How did that Giovinco shot not go in

[jloome]

How did that Giovinco shot not go in

Former TFC keeper.

[ronzilla]

Goalie saved it

[pdubs]

Mike Magee go suck on a pinecone

[ag futbol]

Basically it was 90% giovinco and 10% Osorio that half with the rest of the team getting in the way half the time.

[jloome]

Basically it was 90% giovinco and 10% Osorio that half with the rest of the team getting in the way half the time.

On Reddit, this would earn gold.

[pdubs]

Findley was like a black hole on the right. Not sure if Herc is on the bench?

[ronzilla]

The first 30 minutes were dreadful but they finally got their sht together

[Redcoe15]

What I'm lovin' about Gio in this game is the fact that the little guy is muscling around that human transmission tower Daniel Cyrus and getting corner kicks as a result.

[shwade]

Bullshit. That's sebas goal

[andyboy]

On Reddit, this would earn gold.

Reminds me of a Yogi Berra quote. “Baseball is 90 per cent mental. The other half is physical.”

[jloome]

I wonder if Chicago would be dumb enough in the offseason to take Jozy straight up for Gilberto?

[kwhisperer]

I wonder if Chicago would be dumb enough in the offseason to take Jozy straight up for Gilberto?

That would be sweet!

[adam1001]

Fuck this team.

[ag futbol]

You know when your defenders are letting Gilberto score there are issues.

Cheyrou is too slow to cover these days ... Great passing range and overall football class aside. Call him Torsten Fringe light.

[v00d00daddy]

Classy player. Refuses to celebrate because he used to play for us.

[pdubs]

I need a stronger drink

[nonc]

Goalberto>>>Altidore. Kristian Jack is really annoying today, more than normal I mean.

[jloome]

I'm sorry, but Perquis is shit. Shit.

[pdubs]

Goalberto>>>Altidore. Kristian Jack is really annoying today, more than normal I mean.

I am just happy DeVos isn't commentating.

[Richard]

I'm sorry, but Perquis is shit. Shit.

Yeah I cant see him not getting bought out at the end of the year.

This roster needs a major revamp despite probably making the playoffs.

[Redcoe15]

Gilberto couldn't score like that when he was playing for our side. :prrr:

[ag futbol]

I'm sorry, but Perquis is shit. Shit.
Not a fan of him either but if I were coach I'd would absolutely tear my mids a new one for letting guys steam through like that.

This game is screaming out for a sub.

[jloome]

Yeah I cant see him not getting bought out at the end of the year.

This roster needs a major revamp despite probably making the playoffs.

We need four or five points to get in for sure; the way we're playing, not sure we'll do it anymore.

[jloome]

Not a fan of him either but if I were coach I'd would absolutely tear my mids a new one for letting guys steam through like that.

This game is screaming out for a sub.

He is positionally unaware and rash. Stepping up there with so much space behind him and Chicago playing two forwards was bush league shit.

[Couchy81]

Can you imagine Giovinco + Gilberto. Would have been something.

[69Chevy396]

Classy player. Refuses to celebrate because he used to play for us.
Giovinco, Laba, Gilberto would have been something

[pdubs]

What a run by the General

[v00d00daddy]

Awesome response. He should thank Sebastian. That was his goal because three defenders watched him while Bradley got to run with little challenge. Lol

[Redcoe15]

Yeah Bradley!

[PAOK17]

Gilberto couldn't score like that when he was playing for our side. :prrr:
Actually the goals he did score for us were very similar but as per typical Toronto sports fans/media we expected Giovinco like quality and when we didn't get it, we buried him. This is what happens when our management goes for home runs and never builds a squad the proper way.

And as I type, we score.

[shwade]

Can you imagine Giovinco + Gilberto. Would have been something.


Gasm. And throw in Laba in there for a double gasm.

[jloome]

Lucky. Bradley should have dropped that to Giovinco.

[Couchy81]

Yea Giovinco drew like 4 guys

[jloome]

Yea Giovinco drew like 4 guys

And yet was still open inside when he charged into the box.

[ronzilla]

Seba gets an assist on Bradley goal

[jloome]

When was the last time Jozy touched the ball?

[ag futbol]

Use your subs Vanney!

[kwhisperer]

Seba gets an assist on Bradley goal

Is that official?

[kwhisperer]

When was the last time Jozy touched the ball?


That embarrassingly inept attempt in the box about 10 minutes ago.

[jloome]

That embarrassingly inept attempt in the box about 10 minutes ago.

Watch him run. He's so bulked up up top he can't swing his arms properly. I'm not kidding.

[pdubs]

One more yellow and Seba sits because of accumulation.

[jloome]

Need to get Findley off and put Gomez on.

[ag futbol]

Need to get Findley off and put Gomez on.
What is up with not playing Gomez? Why even sign him if this is how we are going to operate

[shwade]

Need to get Findley off and put Gomez on.

Weird that he doesn't get any minutes. Can't be worse than Findley. Or Altidore at this point...

[pdubs]

Vanney hates subs.

[kwhisperer]

What is up with not playing Gomez? Why even sign him if this is how we are going to operate

Vanney clearly has no use for Herc, won't play him in meaningful situations. Pure idiocy.

[shwade]

Hahaha as I type...

[shwade]

3 assists for Seba!

[ag futbol]

Give him some credit there. That was an awkward ball to turn into the net

[jloome]

So Jozy. Does nothing all game, then....

[ronzilla]

Fuck finally he scores

[pdubs]

Jozzzzzyyyy the bulldozer!

[pdubs]

1/12 on corners. I was getting worried.

[jloome]

Jozzzzzyyyy the bulldozer!

Dozer is the best nickname ever for him. Suits every aspect of his game!

[shwade]

Park the bus time

[jloome]

Chicago playing so deep. What are they expecting, a counter against a three man back line?

[pdubs]

Jackson putting in a shift eh.

[shwade]

Is it just me or is perquis kind of an attention whore

[Couchy81]

Wtf konopka. Dumb play.

[jloome]

What. The. Fuck. Konopka...
Man, I know he's a good reaction keeper, but he is a bonehead. There's no doubt.

[PAOK17]

What. The. Fuck. Konopka...
Man, I know he's a good reaction keeper, but he is a bonehead. There's no doubt.
But ALL professional goalkeepers are good reaction keepers. What divides a Konopka from a Buffon isn't reflexes and athleticism. It's decision making, confidence, handling of crosses, ball control at feet, distribution, etc- none of which any of our goalkeepers are skilled with.

[billyfly]

Victory

[trane]

Fuck. This is fucking emotionally exhausting.

[jloome]

But ALL professional goalkeepers are good reaction keepers. What divides a Konopka from a Buffon isn't reflexes and athleticism. It's decision making, confidence, handling of crosses, ball control at feet, distribution, etc- none of which any of our goalkeepers are skilled with.

Technique. Same old MLS story.

[jloome]

Fuck. This is fucking emotionally exhausting.

Yeah. We might win the cup 5-4 or we might go out in the first round