Game 28 - Ashtone Villa - TFC Visits NYCFC Wed Sept 16 7:30 pm TSN

[OgtheDim]

Putting this up early because NYCFC plays tonight in Dallas

Talking points

Discussion will obviously be affected by what happens tomorrow evening

A win against an East team lower then us in the table is always a good thing.

Will we see Lampard?

Will we see Cheyrou?

Do we sit the walking wounded for what is our second last away game?

Will they press us within an inch of our lives like everybody else seems to be doing?

***

Note, if Villa gets a yellow tonight, he's out for the Wednesday game.

[Detroit_TFC]

NYCFC might consider the game on Wednesday one of their few chances to get any more points in 2015 (rest of schedule SJ-H, Van-A, DC-A, OC-A, NER-H). They are going to come at TFC with hammer and tongs.

[notthesun]

Villa subbed out at halftime in NYCFC's game today vs. Dallas with an apparent hamstring injury. May not be able to go against us, we'll see.

[OgtheDim]

All 3 DP's out after 60 minutes. Only 20 degrees in Dallas so not a heat thing. Subbed to rest for Wednesday.


Well that and Lampard was awful.

[Areathrasher]

We'd probably want the old men to start on Wed night by the sounds of this...


Back to the game. When Kreis subbed off all three of his DPs with 24 minutes left, many saw it as a capitulation. Instead, Diskerud and Poku, and Mullins before them, infused New York City with grit and energy, nearly drawing even with Dallas. Kreis made note of that in his post-game comments.
"I was actually really pleased. I felt this was a really solid effort on our group’s part," Kreis said. "I thought that collectively they were willing and able to battle a little bit more than I had seen them over the past several weeks. So really pleased with the effort and commitment level, and obviously just a little disappointed we couldn’t quite get that goal tonight to level things."
It was a dramatic change from the previous week, where the New York City head coach put his team on blast, questioning their effort and desire. There was no questioning that tonight; despite the loss, the Blues looked likely to score, and were unlucky not to snatch an equalizing goal at the end.
The difference? It's revelatory that despite having a bye week, and plenty of time to rest up, neither Lampard nor Pirlo could finish the game out. It's also revelatory that their substitutes gave New York City a vibrancy and intensity that was lacking whilst the two midfield legends were playing. I've been harsh on Diskerud, but putting him in for Pirlo jolted the midfield to life, and gave the Blues added teeth on defense. Poku was far more lively than Lampard, meanwhile, and gave New York City badly needed strength and pace against one of the fastest, youngest teams in the league.

[SoccMan2]

We should rest most of our players because you know we have all these home games left that we are sure to win. I wanted to be the first to say that before the usual's come on here and say it, lol.

[TheGoodson]

Fuck that, no rest for any players unless we have a large lead (up by 2/3 goals) by midway through the second half against NY.

Then you take off Giovinco and Bradley.

[Fort York Redcoat]

We should rest most of our players because you know we have all these home games left that we are sure to win. I wanted to be the first to say that before the usual's come on here and say it, lol.

Were people saying we were sure to win vs NE? I didn't see that.

I think its pretty obvious we need to take these points against teams that aren't top half.

[notthesun]

Needs to be 3 points after the disappointment against New England.

[Oldtimer]

We should rest most of our players because you know we have all these home games left that we are sure to win. I wanted to be the first to say that before the usual's come on here and say it, lol.

Stop trolling.

[Mateo1985]

Is anyone watching this game at Joe's?

[Cashcleaner]

We should rest most of our players because you know we have all these home games left that we are sure to win. I wanted to be the first to say that before the usual's come on here and say it, lol.

This made me chuckle. :D

But seriously, I agree that we can't afford to keep players off the pitch now - of course unless it's a matter of health and whatnot. The fact is that we're heading into crunch time. Again, I feel like it shouldn't be said, but while it seems we're finally going to see the post-season this year, the games we play now in the run-up are really going to shape just how the playoffs will start for us. It's good we have a relatively large gap in points between us and Montreal and the other clubs lower on the Eastern table, but I say we push for as many wins as we can. NER are only 2 wins ahead of us and we have a game in hand, so it's not like asking for a miracle here.

[Soccerpro]

We should win this game comfortably. Doesn't mean anything as we still can't really beat good teams.

then again, we haven't beat them yet this season.

[ronzilla]

We need more players like this g:D

http://giant.gfycat.com/MemorableSecondEasternglasslizard.gif

[Oldtimer]

BTW, OT but OgtheDim makes great thread titles!

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO8ReXLWoAA1zSJ.png

[Fort York Redcoat]

Is anyone watching this game at Joe's?

The usual suspects will be there, bud. Can't wait to move on from Sun.

[tfcocd]

FWIW

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO8ReXLWoAA1zSJ.png

Looks much better defensively with a DM in the line-up and allows for the full DP triangle attack. Both Cheyrou and Warner should mitigate against some of the recent defensive troubles. Not too sure how Williams is as a fullback but if he can be effective it is a good option since Morrow can return to his natural left back position. Additionally there should be much improved distribution with Perquis and Cheyrou starting plays. Regardless of the line-up, and I certainly hope it includes a DM, this looks like a good opportunity for TFC to take advantage of a team lower in the standings.

[Mateo1985]

The usual suspects will be there, bud. Can't wait to move on from Sun.

Yeah I will see you there!! Finally going to manage to get to Joe's this time

[PopePouri]

Think this is our best line up and formation

http://sharemytactics.com/52771/Toronto-FC-formation-tactics.png (http://sharemytactics.com/52771/)

[OgtheDim]

OK...lets try this again




https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/643817040537518080

[Auzzy]

OK...lets try this again



https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/643817040537518080



That link is still bad. This worked for me: https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/643817040537518080

[OgtheDim]

Funny works for me.

The point was TFC saying Cheyrou is going to be playing. (well at least on the bench but weird if he doesn't start)

[Ossington Mental Youth]

We should win this game comfortably. Doesn't mean anything as we still can't really beat good teams.

then again, we haven't beat them yet this season.

we beat DC

[ag futbol]

we beat DC
We beat Vancouver too... Although generally I get what he's saying

[Ossington Mental Youth]

We beat Vancouver too... Although generally I get what he's saying

yeah i hear ya

[Areathrasher]

Well if you subscribe to the thought that the West is much better than the East, you can chalk down wins against the Quakes and Timbers as wins against "good teams"

[Auzzy]

Funny works for me.

The point was TFC saying Cheyrou is going to be playing. (well at least on the bench but weird if he doesn't start)

Yes interesting about Cheyrou.

(And in Chrome, the URL you posted is actually interpreted as http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3Ehttps://twitter.com/torontofc/status/643817040537518080%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E

[OgtheDim]

Game Day :scarf:

[QBall]

NYCFC ran out of gas a long time ago. I expect a blood bath tonight. 4-0 TFC.

[ManUtd4ever]

If we keep up the effort level we had the last two games, I expect a positive result tonight.

[QBall]

A positive result? If NYCFC doesn't walk away from this game without psychological trauma I'll be disappointed.

[mowe]

If Perquis starts I expect NYC to score at least one. Also it would be embarrassing to fail to beat an expansion team in three tries.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW, Hagglund has made the trip.

[ronzilla]

Hope Villa is out.

[Initial B]

I have a bad feeling that we're about to get bushwhacked...

[pdubs]

I have a bad feeling that we're about to get bushwhacked...

Idk I feel a big win coming. All the shots we had last game... if we can minimize the downright boneheaded mistakes and play like actual professionals I think we can cruise in this one. Minimizing boneheaded mistakes seems to be a theme this season tho. Overall I think the tactics have been solid but some of our players just can't keep calm. If we do get steamrolled then this team deserves the hate that will come.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I have a bad feeling that we're about to get bushwhacked...

I love your bad feelings and prognostications! They are seldom deserved and accurate. g:D

[OgtheDim]

I think we are in for a playoff intense game. Good.

This is what we have been waiting for since that game in New Jersey a few years ago.

Games in September that mean something.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Holy crap I just realized this will be my last away viewing of the season! Crazy.

[ManUtd4ever]

Hopefully, the Jays' vibe at Yankee Stadium will carry over to tonight.

[ag futbol]

NyC has a worse back line than we do and generally an underwhelming roster. I'd expect to win this.

[Mateo1985]

Holy crap I just realized this will be my last away viewing of the season! Crazy.

You are coming to Montreal on October 25th right?

[Fort York Redcoat]

You are coming to Montreal on October 25th right?

Yup.

But that makes tonight the last viewing at Joes!:scarf:

[Oldtimer]

NyC has a worse back line than we do and generally an underwhelming roster. I'd expect to win this.

In the past, that's why I would exactly expect us to lose 5-0. However this year is different than previous years so anything is possible.

[QBall]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/1910030.jpg

[Walms]

^^^ God I hope so!!!

Im confident in a win tonight, but as alwasy I can't shake the feeling like we're doomed to lose....

[andyboy]

BTW, OT but OgtheDim makes great thread titles!

Is this a Mogen David pun? I had to think about it for two days FFS!

[Initial B]

I love your bad feelings and prognostications! They are seldom deserved and accurate. g:D
I sure hope it's not accurate! Looking at the strength of the two rosters, in my head I know that TFC is the stronger team and should beat NYCFC in their home field, but my gut is warning me something is going to happen. Please, no injuries to our DPs! And Kries already beat them once...


I guess this is what 9 years of TFC PTSD will do to you. It's going to take me a couple of years to get over this.

[notthesun]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/644277123432079361

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/644277334577557504

[Ivy]

Have we played the same defensive line for more than 2 consecutive games this year? Real talk...

[notthesun]

3 games in 8 days, I think we're just trying to give guys a break. Well that and our backline sucks...

[notthesun]

NYC starting both Pirlo and Lampard, which I think is a mistake, Poku on the bench and Villa is not in the 18.

This absolutely needs to be 3 points. No excuses.

[OgtheDim]

Blacked out on MLS Live.

[Yohan]

More like perquis got benched for suckling so much.

If there is one stadium to play 3 in the back, it's Yankees stadium with narrow pitch.

[Richard]

I want to puke every time I see a football match in a baseball stadium. Ugh.

[OgtheDim]

HD Stream, supposedly. Use your ad blocker.

http://zunox.hk/zunox1.html

[BelfastBoy]

Some great ads here.

[aajking]

Odd backline, no? Delgado plays RB?

[aajking]

Blacked out on MLS Live.

Use an adblocker to get around that.

[OgtheDim]

Use an adblocker to get around that.

Ip address thingie? Cause not available in either US or Canada.

[pdubs]

Odd backline, no? Delgado plays RB?

He was touted as being a DM/RB. Ironically we have seen him most as a CAM/wide CM so Idk. Haha

[Ruffian]

What a horrible camera angle.

[blindbaby]

Is that field even 50 yards wide?

[aajking]

Ip address thingie? Cause not available in either US or Canada.

Working for me. I messaged you.

[General Woolfe]

What's the patch on the front of their shirts?

[notthesun]

God this field is so fucking bad.

[pdubs]

Flop by Facey. The clown.

[andyboy]

Is that field even 50 yards wide?

Reminding me of roller derby somehow.

[Smokecell]

Pirlo dives were plain embarrassing

[khso11]

Where's the offside?

edit: nvm, not offside

[molenshtain]

im bored

[notthesun]

We've been awful. Just awful. No urgency, no energy, passing has been complete garbage. Worst opening 20 minutes since our away game vs. Dallas.

[burlington Red]

Lampard and Pirlo both left unmarked on that goal

[adam1001]

lol @ everyone who thought we were going to steamroll NY

[Davenport]

Not offside. The only offside is the clown commentating and the even bigger clown who's helping him. Where the f*&$ did they get him. Shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!! JOKE.

[69Chevy396]

Pirlo owns this game. We are doing nothing, but there is still time.

[Davenport]

Work it out.

[aajking]

TFC looks so disorganized.

[Richard]

So instead of flopping in late July and into August as usual we do it in September, progress lol.

[notthesun]

36 year old Pirlo fighting off two players for the ball in midfield.

Wake the fuck up guys. This is embarrassing.

[andyboy]

Who's this Lamparr guy, must be French? I know a Lampard.

[portu]

Atidore is not a winger, Delgado is most definitely not a RB or a winger

[portu]

Next year we'll flop in October

[cubr]

Ref calling every dive, hard to watch.

[Ultra & Proud]

Somehow I can see us finishing in the low to mid 40's in points. Probably not but this all looks like something I've seen too many times before.

[molenshtain]

god Wingert's such a whiny cunt.

[portu]

Morgan's played well why isn't he starting

[aajking]

Looking like we're struggling to adapt to the smaller pitch.

[Ruffian]

This game is horrible with all the dives!

[Soccerpro]

I put a lot of the blame for this season on Vanney and Tim B not getting wingers before the season started and insisting on playing a system that clogs the middle.

No flexibility now...

[andyboy]

Morgan's played well why isn't he starting

I second this.

[cubr]

NYCFC should play on Broadway.

[portu]

Pathetic

[andyboy]

NYCFC should play on Broadway.

The stage is bigger there.

[Brooker]

Republican debate is more exciting.

[molenshtain]

Republican debate is more exciting.

is that on tonight?

[portu]

Bradley has twice passed a ball in the box that he should have shot

[portu]

How many times have we played long balls into oblivion, Perquis please

[notthesun]

Pathetic half. Just so depressing.

[cubr]

How many times have we played long balls into oblivion, Perquis please

I agree, it's kind of anti possession too with such low % passes. The whole second balls thing seems desperate to me, but I guess with lower skill it's a better option than a triangulating/holdup build-up. Maybe I play too much FIFA.

[aajking]

Is that field even 50 yards wide?

In case anyone was curious.

NYCFC at Yankee Stadium:
100 yards long
70 yards wide

BMO Field:
115 yards long
74 yards wide

[portu]

TEAM TALK
Ideally: C'mon boys, liven up! We're gonna change into the diamond, Warner on the right Oso on the left and Benoit at the base, Delgado your shite and coming off for Morgan. Morrow switch to the right so Ashtone can play the left side. Okay, good? Good!

Reality: Good job boys, love the effort!

[Oldtimer]

I have a bad feeling that we're about to get bushwhacked...


NyC has a worse back line than we do and generally an underwhelming roster. I'd expect to win this.


In the past, that's why I would exactly expect us to lose 5-0. However this year is different than previous years so anything is possible.

This is looking like the curse of TFC past is coming to bite us. I may be wrong, but I think this match is going to end with a loss for TFC.

[portu]

I agree, it's kind of anti possession too with such low % passes. The whole second balls thing seems desperate to me, but I guess with lower skill it's a better option than a triangulating/holdup build-up. Maybe I play too much FIFA.
For me the issue is purely of vision, which neither Kantari or Williams have. You can't play 2 bruising centre backs together if you're going to give them the responsibility of splitting lines or switching the play via intelligent balls to wingers or central midfield.

[Couchy81]

Don't forget the only reason we didn't lose 4-1 last time was the Giovinco factor. Vanney is pathetic at organizing this squad.

[brad]

Blacked out on MLS Live.

Worst money I've ever spent. Never again.

[molenshtain]

Don't forget the only reason we didn't lose 4-1 last time was the Giovinco factor. Vanney is pathetic at organizing this squad.

goals came off crevalle, two penalties and a free kick in that game. Giovinco was also perfectly used by Vanney in that game. chill.

[Ultra & Proud]

Year one prices eternal!!!

[OgtheDim]

On that goal, Cheyrou and Warner walking back and ball watching with Pirlo and Lampard at the top of the area unmarked.

:mad:

Bad bad bad bad


****


Watching this on a Sky stream. So much better then ESPN.

[69Chevy396]

Giovinco has been drifting in and out of the game. And, he looks pissed all the time. I predict he leaves in January, to play at a higher level. Imagine Crosby playing hockey for a Lousy team in the Swiss league, and that is likely where Giovinco's head is about now.

[molenshtain]

Giovinco has been drifting in and out of the game. And, he looks pissed all the time. I predict he leaves in January, to play at a higher level. Imagine Crosby playing hockey for a Lousy team in the Swiss league, and that is likely where Giovinco's head is about now.


yay more bullshit conjecture. i missed this so much.

[portu]

The only DP I could see leaving us this January is Altidore for another MLS club

Notice how there were absolutely no rumours about Seba the whole summer window

[brad]

Giovinco has been drifting in and out of the game. And, he looks pissed all the time. I predict he leaves in January, to play at a higher level. Imagine Crosby playing hockey for a Lousy team in the Swiss league, and that is likely where Giovinco's head is about now.

if that Swiss team was paying Crosby 8 time what the NHL would, I'm sure his head would be just fine

[cubr]

Joke of a pitch.

[Ultra & Proud]

Imagine Crosby playing hockey for a Lousy team in the Swiss league, and that is likely where Giovinco's head is about now.
If they paid him 2-3 times what he'd get in the NHL then I can imagine it.

Don't see that happening anywhere else other than MLS, Mid. East, or maybe China.

[Ultra & Proud]

Pretty sure Vanney won't be around next year.

[brad]

Pretty sure Vanney won't be around next year.

I suspect an Italian coach will be brought in by and large to keep Gio happy.

[Ultra & Proud]

A lot of people always point to Saunders and how shit he is when we have our cheap GK chats but he isn't as bad as some think. Whatever you want to say, the guy has good positioning.

[ag futbol]

I put a lot of the blame for this season on Vanney and Tim B not getting wingers before the season started and insisting on playing a system that clogs the middle.

No flexibility now...
Well I mean if you are going to play centrally and you have one defensive minded left back, one so-so offensive minded backup LB, and no RB to speak of ... You'll never be able to fully take advantage of that space. Nothing wrong with playing narrow really. Especially when plan A is get the ball to our top player on the ground.

[notthesun]

Pretty sure Zavaleta & Williams is our best CB pairing to go with from here on out. Jesus Christ did we screw the pooch on our scouting this year.

[Ultra & Proud]

Pretty sure Zavaleta & Williams is our best CB pairing to go with from here on out. Jesus Christ did we screw the pooch on our scouting this year.
We scout?

[notthesun]

Who is producing this broadcast? Is it that hard to tell Rauter through his earpiece to pronounce the "d" in Lampard?

[reggie]

waiting for the typical 3 nil loss on the road

[Ultra & Proud]

Thinking we are getting skunked tonight. Here's to a repeat of Vanney's stretch drive from last year. So far it's eerily similar. Lots of cheap promise topped with a whole lot of sobering reality.

[molenshtain]

waiting for the typical 3 nil loss on the road

wouldn't expect anything less from you.

[Oldtimer]

Giovinco has been drifting in and out of the game. And, he looks pissed all the time. I predict he leaves in January, to play at a higher level. Imagine Crosby playing hockey for a Lousy team in the Swiss league, and that is likely where Giovinco's head is about now.

I love how you make this up out of nothing. I also notice that you rarely post when TFC is winning.

[Oldtimer]

Thinking we are getting skunked tonight. Here's to a repeat of Vanney's stretch drive from last year. So far it's eerily similar. Lots of cheap promise topped with a whole lot of sobering reality.

We're not mathematically in the playoffs. It's still possible to lose it all. I think we'll actually get in though.

[Ultra & Proud]

Worst commentating tandem I may have ever heard. Dreadful.

[andyboy]

Who is producing this broadcast? Is it that hard to tell Rauter through his earpiece to pronounce the "d" in Lampard?

it's har when you're a retar

regars

[Ultra & Proud]

We're not mathematically in the playoffs. It's still possible to lose it all. I think we'll actually get in though.
Probably but most likely through the teams below us faltering as bad as us plus our home matches. Still think it'll be tight.

[jazzy]

Whether Vanney is a good coach or not . The team simply isn't listening . Gio is alone , everyone stops when he has the ball , Bradley is on another planet , the D is ?? Unfortunately the team won't do shit with him as a coach , and I'm not sure it's his fault . Anemic simply anemic that NYCFC is even controlling us . We've given up . When Gio gives up, scary .

[Richard]

We're not mathematically in the playoffs. It's still possible to lose it all. I think we'll actually get in though.

The team form right now isn't good at all but I think we do make it in barely, beyond that its hard to say if this team can challenge in the playoffs, our roster isn't balanced like some of the other teams.

[cubr]

Can't stand bias reffing.

At least they got carded for it just after.

[Ultra & Proud]

Whether Vanney is a good coach or not . The team simply isn't listening . Gio is alone , everyone stops when he has the ball , Bradley is on another planet , the D is ?? Unfortunately the team won't do shit with him as a coach , and I'm not sure it's his fault . Anemic simply anemic that NYCFC is even controlling us . We've given up . When Gio gives up, scary .

Maybe they are listening. Maybe this is it. This is Vanney's plan. Who know's?

[Smokecell]

Osorio has 0 confidence with the ball in the box and it costs this team time and time again

[Ultra & Proud]

Osorio has 0 confidence with the ball in the box and it costs this team time and time again
Been saying that all year.

[jazzy]

Atidore is not a winger, Delgado is most definitely not a RB or a winger

Inbrought this up before but was missed Gio in the middle? Altidore on the wing .......ha lets Get Gio going for headers . And Bradley doing corners ........we don't have a coach who lays down the law and gets the best from each player

[Ultra & Proud]

Vanney easily out coached by Kreis again.

[cubr]

Osorio has 0 confidence with the ball in the box and it costs this team time and time again

He should have shot that one for sure instead of passing to Giovinco.

[molenshtain]

Vanney easily out coached by Kreis again.

in what way exactly?

[Ultra & Proud]

He should have shot that one for sure instead of passing to Giovinco.
He's done that same thing at least a dozen times this year.

I swear if his passport was a U.S one people would be calling him shite and to get off the field like they do for everyone else.

[molenshtain]

He's been bad since we stopped using the diamond.

[Ultra & Proud]

in what way exactly?
We play slow, we play central. That's the book on us. Look how NYCFC is set up. Even with the slowest midfield in football they keep us in front of them and always have numbers on us when we attack. Do we change? Nope. Do we adjust? Why bother? We can say how we had a ton of chances and be happy with it.

And now they're sitting back on the counter. They will get one more.

[notthesun]

Oh my fucking God Cheyrou. Are you kidding me with that effort?

How is Vanney not beside himself right now? Nobody fucking cares out there.

[jazzy]

Worst money I've ever spent. Never again.

Because ESPN2 picked it up at the last minute , their announcers are much better than ours and are very fair in dissecting TFC .

[aajking]

I suspect an Italian coach will be brought in by and large to keep Gio happy.

Vanney has a good soccer mind and was a great academy coach but I agree; this team is beyond Vanney's coaching abilities.

[notthesun]

Holy fuck that marking on Poku there...

This is just... holy shit man. Worst performance of the fucking season.

HOW HAVE WE NOT MADE A SUB YET???

[adam1001]

Osorio hasn't been useful in a very long time.

[Smokecell]

Finally Oso off, may as well put in Moore with these long balls we keep attempting

[jazzy]

Giovinco has been drifting in and out of the game. And, he looks pissed all the time. I predict he leaves in January, to play at a higher level. Imagine Crosby playing hockey for a Lousy team in the Swiss league, and that is likely where Giovinco's head is about now.

My greatest fear but without a dominating coach , it has to happen . AND we're stuck with 50m Bradley , ( my way or the highway)

[Ultra & Proud]

Osorio hasn't been useful in a very long time.
Honestly he should be benched for a bit.

[Ultra & Proud]

And there you go.

[cubr]

that's gg

[Smokecell]

/game

[jazzy]

yay more bullshit conjecture. i missed this so much.


2-0 say what .

[oldtraffordPEI]

FUck

[Ultra & Proud]

Hard to contemplate how this team as set up with a firm spot in the playoffs can just not give a shit or at least appear that way.

[notthesun]

Turned it off. No defending this at all. Absolutely jaw-droppingly awful performance.

[Ultra & Proud]

Who called the 3-0 loss?

You're up!

[bimmer]

Both of our keepers are so shit...

[ag futbol]

We play slow, we play central. That's the book on us. Look how NYCFC is set up. Even with the slowest midfield in football they keep us in front of them and always have numbers on us when we attack. Do we change? Nope. Do we adjust? Why bother? We can say how we had a ton of chances and be happy with it.

And now they're sitting back on the counter. They will get one more.
This team doesn't have the players to set up to play wide. The guys are too slow to effectively use the pace and the crossing quality is poor. The odd decent ball that gets played in hardly has anyone to attack it..

Say you are the coach... baring our current injuries - what's the setup?

[adam1001]

This is just sad. Same shit we see every year. Just delayed by a month this time around.

[OgtheDim]

Not good enough.


Cheyrou awful

Warner walking.

Osorio lost.


Pathetic display. Nobody but Bradley with any urgency.

[Hamilton_Red]

Wow when I saw the line-up ..thought pretty much our best starting 11 missing maybe Morgan. Should be a good test to see what pur team can do This team seems to have given up. bradley especially. This is an expansion team ..TFC year 1 easily beating us. Might still squeak the last playoff i wouldnt bet on it.

[Ultra & Proud]

This team doesn't have the players to set up to play wide. The guys are too slow to effectively use the pace and the crossing quality is poor. The odd decent ball that gets played in hardly has anyone to attack it..

Say you are the coach... baring our current injuries - what's the setup?
Honestly, the diamond would be better.

[Soccerpro]

If people haven't realized months ago that there is something fundamentally wrong with this team which won't allow it be to a contender this season, then I don't know what to say.

we don't have a complete team. We have Giovinco pulling rabbits out of his hat all season and some others filling in occasionally. That's it.

[notthesun]

1 point in 3 matches vs. NYCFC now. Pathetic from Vanney.

[flamehawk]

I just got married today .... what was I thinking trying to catch the TFC game tonight. Thanks for ruining an otherwise joyous day tfc!

[SoccMan2]

Don't worry we have all these home games left, lol, oh and by the way Pirlo is too old, lol.

[69Chevy396]

I love how you make this up out of nothing. I also notice that you rarely post when TFC is winning.
My observations are as valid as yours. When did Giovinco last score? When did he last score against a team with a winning record? When did TFC last win on the road? How many games has the team won in September since 2007? I don't post much in the early part of the year, because of the predictability of the collapse in September. Giovinco has done very little since that three goal game, he is playing without passion. Just watch him, that is what I do.

[OgtheDim]

When you play the 4-2-3-1, your 2 DM's better play well.

Well they didn't tonight.

[Ultra & Proud]

Don't worry we have all these home games left, lol, oh and by the way Pirlo is too old, lol.
No one is too old when they play us and we just stand there.

[Ultra & Proud]

When you play the 4-2-3-1, your 2 DM's better play well.

Well they didn't tonight.

No one did really. Bradley tried at least but was terrible. The rest.....

[OgtheDim]

No one did really. Bradley tried at least but was terrible. The rest.....

Bradley was darn good. The defence actually was OK. But Giovinco on his own up front doesn't work.

[Ultra & Proud]

At least Vanney is relaxed. He can do one of his thoughtful interviews, point out our squandered chances, repeat the same lines that he usually does, and then we can keep our form rolling into our home games.

[Ultra & Proud]

Bradley was darn good. The defence actually was OK. But Giovinco on his own up front doesn't work.
He was aggressive but was wasteful and sloppy.

[OgtheDim]

Kantari is going to get a 1-2 game ban for that haymaker.

[Ultra & Proud]

Kantari is going to get a 1-2 game ban for that haymaker.
But does it really matter?

[OgtheDim]

But does it really matter?

Yes.

You and the rest of us would have bitten off our hands to be in this spot in year's past.

[Oldtimer]

This is looking like the curse of TFC past is coming to bite us. I may be wrong, but I think this match is going to end with a loss for TFC.

Not happy to have called it right.

[Couchy81]

wouldn't expect anything less from you.

So salty. Should tone it down a bit next time loyal fans of the team chime in with some realisitic insights and expectations when they've been watching this team for years.

[Ultra & Proud]

Yes.

You and the rest of us would have bitten off our hands to be in this spot in year's past.
Yes but it's not like Kantari is a make or break player. Just as dodgy as the rest of our back line. That's what I meant.

Actually I think we were better when we had Zavaleta in. The experienced CBs we brought in are providing the experience of disappointment more than anything else in my eyes.

[BelfastBoy]

The Colorado Rapids are the tonic this bunch needs right now, this fixture couldn't be more timely. Onwards and upwards TFC.

[Eastend]

Well, I'm feeling confident I can spend my playoffs ticket money. I've been optimistic all year but the last few games just bring back memories of every year before this one.

Hard to defend this to "outsiders".

Disheartening this.....

Dom

[Red CB Toronto]

The Colorado Rapids are the tonic this bunch needs right now, this fixture couldn't be more timely. Onwards and upwards TFC.

I agree, but this shit is getting hard to watch once again. With everything that is going on with the Blue Jays showing us how a city can get behind a winning team, I want the Reds to be relevent and experience the same.

[Ultra & Proud]

The Colorado Rapids are the tonic this bunch needs right now, this fixture couldn't be more timely. Onwards and upwards TFC.
We bomb that one then we are officially on the road to our usual destination.

[aajking]

Let's go Blue Jays!

:/

[MightyDM]

In case anyone was curious.

NYCFC at Yankee Stadium:
100 yards long
70 yards wide

BMO Field:
115 yards long
74 yards wide


They may say that, but it isn't remotely true. Look where the penalty area ends compared to the sideline. It's ten metres short in each side, at least, not two.

[blindbaby]

In case anyone was curious.

NYCFC at Yankee Stadium:
100 yards long
70 yards wide

BMO Field:
115 yards long
74 yards wide

I find that hard to believe that the width of that field is 70 yards wide. According to wikipedia, it's the same width as in Houston; I just watched a game in Houston and it appeared infinitely wider than at Yankee Stadium.

[mowe]

If there weren't 6 teams making the playoffs this year I'd be seriously worried. As it is we still have enough time to go on a run and build some momentum for the postseason. But man, this team inspires zero confidence.

[69Chevy396]

The Colorado Rapids are the tonic this bunch needs right now, this fixture couldn't be more timely. Onwards and upwards TFC.
They keep looking for a team they can beat. I am afraid the team from Edmonton, or the Canadian NT aren't in the league.

[aajking]

I find that hard to believe that the width of that field is 70 yards wide. According to wikipedia, it's the same width as in Houston; I just watched a game in Houston and it appeared infinitely wider than at Yankee Stadium.

Thought similar when I looked up the numbers. The pitch looks quite a bit smaller and the numbers listed happen to coincide with the minimum sized pitch allowed by MLS. Wouldn't be surprised if it's actually less.

[Hamilton_Red]

Colorado has 6 more points than NYC had and in a much more difficult division. We are deteriorating rapidly - seriously lacking in morale, character and leadership. I don't see what there is to be optimistic about we have not shown any signs of improving as a team through the season. We don't even do very well at home.

[BelfastBoy]

I agree, but this shit is getting hard to watch once again. With everything that is going on with the Blue Jays showing us how a city can get behind a winning team, I want the Reds to be relevent and experience the same.

I can't fathom them losing to Colorado, despite this lousy run of form. It's also hard to see Montreal taking 5th place.

[Globetrotter]

It's too bad 6 teams are making it in. We'll get in, TFC brass will be looking at all the positives and gloating about making the playoffs - then up goes the ticket prices.

[Ultra & Proud]

It's too bad 6 teams are making it in. We'll get in, TFC brass will be looking at all the positives and gloating about making the playoffs - then up goes the ticket prices.
No point in even thinking about that yet. At this point nothing is given.

[69Chevy396]

Lets say for a minute TFC makes the playoffs as the 6th or 5 th ranked side. They will play one game on the road, and likely lose. Then what? After all these years, are we supposed to celebrate such mediocrity? Will MLSE erect a statue in front of BMO, then raise prices through the roof? This is very sad. I really want to like this team, but they stink. Last road victory was June. Fuc**ing JUNE!

[OgtheDim]

Vanney got this one all wrong.

He wanted to get both the DM's in. Damned if I know why cause they had no clue how to work together both being rusty and playing in that barn box got in each others way. And their lack of urgency on the first goal was just criminal.

Its like Vanney has no idea how to fix the team defence so he's throwing out combinations hoping it works.

Giovinco needs support up front. He can't play on his own. And Altidore as RM?!?!?!?!

That was a game screaming for a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3 using width. Instead we go back to a 4-2-3-1 and clog up the midfield with an inverted LM and Altidore as RM, playing EXACTLY what NYCFC wants.


And, is Morgan injured? Cause there is no way we should have had Delgado at RB.


Ugly Ugly Ugly.

[aajking]

Can TFC stop it with these Wednesday games?! Wednesday sucks enough as is.

[BelfastBoy]

They keep looking for a team they can beat. I am afraid the team from Edmonton, or the Canadian NT aren't in the league.

Stick to the Sidney Crosby comparisons, they make perfect sense.

[Hamilton_Red]

If there weren't 6 teams making the playoffs this year I'd be seriously worried. As it is we still have enough time to go on a run and build some momentum for the postseason. But man, this team inspires zero confidence.

We're looking at being the 12th team out of 12 in the play-offs...we are away to Montreal on the last game of the season after playing NYRB and Columbus....

[Richard]

Yeah I'm curious about Morgan, someone want to hit up one of the beat guys and ask?

[Ultra & Proud]

Yeah I'm curious about Morgan, someone want to hit up one of the beat guys and ask?
I think it's just Vanney doing one of his typically inexplicable moves.

[kwhisperer]

I can't fathom them losing to Colorado, despite this lousy run of form. It's also hard to see Montreal taking 5th place.

I think we'll be hard-pressed to hold on to fifth spot. Could go down to the wire - I'd hate to have it all hang on final game.

[OgtheDim]

Morgan with a groin injury according to Molinaro.

[Ultra & Proud]

I think we'll be hard-pressed to hold on to fifth spot. Could go down to the wire - I'd hate to have it all hang on final game.
Oh it will. Just like in 2009.

[shwade]

This team is fine guys. We're still in playoff position.

[MightyDM]

I just got married today .... what was I thinking trying to catch the TFC game tonight. Thanks for ruining an otherwise joyous day tfc!

Holy shit! Fantastic! Congratulations! You'll get over it. After all, you support Wolves....

[Ultra & Proud]

This team is fine guys. We're still in playoff position.

We are in a playoff position but I don't think we're fine.

[BelfastBoy]

This the same team that beat Orlando 5 nil, beat Montreal, lost 2-1 away to Seattle only a few week ago. The Bronx is a tough place to play. This can't be as bad as it looks.

[Ultra & Proud]

This the same team that beat Orlando 5 nil, beat Montreal, lost 2-1 away to Seattle only a few week ago. The Bronx is a tough place to play. This can't be as bad as it looks.
If history has taught us anything then we all know it can.

[MightyDM]

Can TFC stop it with these Wednesday games?! Wednesday sucks enough as is.


LOL!!!

[MightyDM]

I think we'll be hard-pressed to hold on to fifth spot. Could go down to the wire - I'd hate to have it all hang on final game.

Actually, that would be brilliant! Drogba! Saputo! VIA to Montreal!

[OgtheDim]

Remaining Games

Colorado Home

Chicago Home

Philly Home

NYRB Home

Columbus Home

Montreal Away


We are 5 points up on Orlando and 6 on NYCFC with 1 game in hand.


I'm not going to go over who those 2 teams play because in this league that means nothing.

Edit: Except to point out that Orlando plays both NYCFC and Montreal still - somebody is not getting points there. i.e We are really unlikely to finish 8th.


12 points out of those 6 games would guarantee us through assuming Orlando wins out, which is unlikely.

More likely 9 points would do it.

[Areathrasher]

God that was depressing tonight.

[69Chevy396]

This the same team that beat Orlando 5 nil, beat Montreal, lost 2-1 away to Seattle only a few week ago. The Bronx is a tough place to play. This can't be as bad as it looks.
Sadly, I think it may be worse than it looks.

[OgtheDim]

This the same team that beat Orlando 5 nil, beat Montreal, lost 2-1 away to Seattle only a few week ago. The Bronx is a tough place to play. This can't be as bad as it looks.

It isn't.

BUT, there are worrying signs to deal with tactics, players turning off their brains at key times, use of Altidore, support for Giovinco, approach to dealing with players coming off of injuries, our lack of width (Jackson and Lovitz are both injured) and the continually revolving back 4.

This team has been relying upon this last stretch of games all season. Its been mentally using that as a get out of jail free card. Well, they put themselves in this position - time to get out there and get some points.

[ag futbol]

Honestly, the diamond would be better.
Most likely although it would most likely play narrow as well.

I still think we need more speed through midfield ... Too many guys of average / below average pace.... Absolutely kills is at times.

[69Chevy396]

Remaining Games

Colorado Home

Chicago Home

Philly Home

NYRB Home

Columbus Home

Montreal Away


We are 5 points up on Orlando and 6 on NYCFC with 1 game in hand.


I'm not going to go over who those 2 teams play because in this league that means nothing.

Edit: Except to point out that Orlando plays both NYCFC and Montreal still - somebody is not getting points there. i.e We are really unlikely to finish 8th.


12 points out of those 6 games would guarantee us through assuming Orlando wins out, which is unlikely.

More likely 9 points would do it.

Thanks for this. Question: If they are 5th or 6th, who will be the likely playoff opponent?

[ag futbol]

In the grand scheme of things does anyone believe playing Morgan is that material of a decision? He's a backup quality LB .. Occasionally sees action but otherwise Morrow is the undisputed #1.

I'm not full on in the sky is falling camp but this team has things to work out. How we finish the year (playoffs or not) will be Vanney's submission on whether he's back (to Managment, IMO).

How far we go will be less important than how we do it. First round exit with a competitive performance and strong league form in the end is a world away from whimpering in and playing consistently down the stretch.

Momentum into next year is key.

[OgtheDim]

Thanks for this. Question: If they are 5th or 6th, who will be the likely playoff opponent?


Depends upon who are the hot teams over the next 6 games out of NER, NYRB, DCU and Columbus. It could be any of those, truth be told. NER is riding high right now but all that can change in 2 games.


If I was to hazard a guess I'd say one of NER or NRB and then DCU. I think Columbus is about to go on a roll and they play DCU twice.


DCU is beatable in their stadium, as is Columbus. I don't think we stand a chance against NYRB or NER.

[Hamilton_Red]

We've lost seven goals and scored two in the last 3 games. 2 of our losses Seattle and NYC to team out of the play-offs at the time.

6 games to go... can't see results against NYRB and Columbus unless they are resting players. The next three are absolute must wins for this team...Colorado...Philly and Chicago. If we fail to get a minimum of 7 points then all bets are off. If we need a result against Montreal - then well...

[Ultra & Proud]

Thanks for this. Question: If they are 5th or 6th, who will be the likely playoff opponent?
I see us getting the Revs. Or seventh.

[brad]

Because ESPN2 picked it up at the last minute , their announcers are much better than ours and are very fair in dissecting TFC .

What I meant is that I paid decent money to watch TFC legally and half the games are blacked out, including this one.

[OgtheDim]

In the grand scheme of things does anyone believe playing Morgan is that material of a decision? He's a backup quality LB .. Occasionally sees action but otherwise Morrow is the undisputed #1.



I think the preferred back four is Morgan Kantari Williams Morrow. Perquis got some time in tonight though which suggests that Saturday we are going to play Morrow Kantari Perquis Williams.

[69Chevy396]

God that was depressing tonight.
I agree. However, it was great watching Pirlo. Reminded me of that WC game against the heavily favorited Germans when he put on a display that remains one of the great accomplishments in WC history. He barely moves now, but he was the difference in the game tonight. TFC has never had a player like him, Guevera was similar, but thats it.

[flamehawk]

Holy shit! Fantastic! Congratulations! You'll get over it. After all, you support Wolves....


I'll quote what someone on reddit said: "If you get divorced down the road let the record note TFC ruined your marriage."


Haha, I am genuinely feeling guilty that I feel a little down about this match considering the context. My wife did say she'd tolerate my soccer fanaticism in the vows though...

[69Chevy396]

I see us getting the Revs. Or seventh.
Yikes.

[ag futbol]

I think the preferred back four is Morgan Kantari Williams Morrow. Perquis got some time in tonight though which suggests that Saturday we are going to play Morrow Kantari Perquis Williams.
I can't stand that setup. Playing a left sided player on the right who is not very comfortable with his bad foot just kills me.

Teams are clogging the middle hard - tons of space to operate out there, we should do more with it. So that hypothetically says Morgan should help - but really where's the end product? He should have more than a handful of assists if those forays forward are effective.

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/644343166666190848


Then change your tactics! :taz:

[69Chevy396]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/644343166666190848


Then change your tactics! :taz:
Vanney is likely gone on Sunday if we lose to Colorado

[Soccerpro]

Vanney is likely gone on Sunday if we lose to Colorado

No way. He'll get the whole season.

[portu]

No way. He'll get the whole season.
You underestimate our front office

Stat: We've only beaten Philly, Orlando and Montreal in the last 3 months

[Ultra & Proud]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/644343166666190848


Then change your tactics! :taz:
Maybe he forgot where we were playing and that TFC is in MLS.

Vanney often says a lot of stuff in loss postmortems that are just baffling.

[Qman]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/644343166666190848


Then change your tactics! :taz:

what a crap comment. yankee stadium is only a few yards shorter and narrower than BMO.

[Qman]

fuck ... we be in 8th place in the western conference. Thank god for expansion and revised playoff format

[MightyDM]

what a crap comment. yankee stadium is only a few yards shorter and narrower than BMO.

Oh come on, look at it. Vanney is totally right. BUT ITS NOT LIKE WE DIDNT KNOW THAT!!!!! Adjust tactics? WTF!!

[MightyDM]

I'll quote what someone on reddit said: "If you get divorced down the road let the record note TFC ruined your marriage."


Haha, I am genuinely feeling guilty that I feel a little down about this match considering the context. My wife did say she'd tolerate my soccer fanaticism in the vows though...

"Expectations Management". Brilliant!!!

[MightyDM]

In the grand scheme of things does anyone believe playing Morgan is that material of a decision? He's a backup quality LB .. Occasionally sees action but otherwise Morrow is the undisputed #1.

I'm not full on in the sky is falling camp but this team has things to work out. How we finish the year (playoffs or not) will be Vanney's submission on whether he's back (to Managment, IMO).

How far we go will be less important than how we do it. First round exit with a competitive performance and strong league form in the end is a world away from whimpering in and playing consistently down the stretch.

Momentum into next year is key.

yes.

we were winning when Morgan was playing. It's not player versus player, it is balance. And with him there, it works. Much better, as it happens.

[Red4ever]

no way he'll get the whole season.

fyp :D

[Hamilton_Red]

yes.

we were winning when Morgan was playing. It's not player versus player, it is balance. And with him there, it works. Much better, as it happens.

Morgan has developed into the only player on our team who can make a decent cross from a wide position. We are better with him in the team. However that is not the root issue here.

I am really pessimistic about Bradley's play. He is/should be the heart and engine of this team - and IMO he has really regressed this season. The number of times he tries to run through players and loses the ball is akin to coaching 13 year old rep players...what's changed in his game is that he then gives up and let's someone else cover his mistake. Poor corners and deadballs - he has played at DP level maybe 5-6 time this season. To me he has decided that this is his last season here.

With this TFC team - if Giovinco isn't scoring then we are losing.

[boozilla]

I am really pessimistic about Bradley's play.
Agreed. When he was playing like a man among kids, early last season, his robot demeanour oozed confidence and inspired respect. If dribbling in your own box, causes a goal and you can't even raise your hand to accept responsibility, you are not a leader. His emotionless play makes him seem like more of a well-paid mercenary than a team captain.

[Brooker]

https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/undertaker-sitting-up1.gif

[OgtheDim]

Agreed. When he was playing like a man among kids, early last season, his robot demeanour oozed confidence and inspired respect. If dribbling in your own box, causes a goal and you can't even raise your hand to accept responsibility, you are not a leader. His emotionless play makes him seem like more of a well-paid mercenary than a team captain.


Totally disagree as do most MLS watchers.

He has raised his game this season and his runs into the box are providing the only support for Giovinco right now. I was watching the Sky coverage and they love him.


An issue for us is every other midfielder is afraid to make a run to the back post for fear of the counter. Delgado showed in the first game against NYCFC that he can do those runs - something has pulled him back from making that final effort - that would be the lack of trust in our backline. As that can't be fixed until next season, this is not going to change in the last 5 games.

We need to score first or we get scared.

[stevep]

i was watching the game on tv last night. that field is so small, that field negates any talent you have, you can't do anything you can't move anywhere without someone being on you.
it reminded me of watching children play soccer and there is 15 kids in a big congregation around the ball

[Fort York Redcoat]

Agreed. When he was playing like a man among kids, early last season, his robot demeanour oozed confidence and inspired respect. If dribbling in your own box, causes a goal and you can't even raise your hand to accept responsibility, you are not a leader. His emotionless play makes him seem like more of a well-paid mercenary than a team captain.

Emotionless? Wasn't it just last game he was caught on camera yelling "FUCKING HELL" after the giveaway? Was he passing the buck, then? Who was he blaming and what more emotion would you like to see?

This last game - the first whistle, he was first to approach and talk to the official about a call for us the ref just made. Bradley was clearly asking if it could've been a booking in our favour.

We have hotheads on our squad in Perquis and now Kantari. I'm not looking for that attribute in our captain. Passion and accountability, sure, but there's a limit when that passion gets in the way of focus.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Morgan has developed into the only player on our team who can make a decent cross from a wide position. We are better with him in the team. However that is not the root issue here.

I am really pessimistic about Bradley's play. He is/should be the heart and engine of this team - and IMO he has really regressed this season. The number of times he tries to run through players and loses the ball is akin to coaching 13 year old rep players...what's changed in his game is that he then gives up and let's someone else cover his mistake. Poor corners and deadballs - he has played at DP level maybe 5-6 time this season. To me he has decided that this is his last season here.

With this TFC team - if Giovinco isn't scoring then we are losing.

TBH I'm feeling cynical about our captains play as well but his dedication to this team is not in question. At all. He's got exactly what he's wanted from this setup. If he's gone next year it would be from frustration with his own performance. I see a player given what he's wanted and is struggling to get back to a level he's performed at within a team he's been a part of building.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Vanney is likely gone on Sunday if we lose to Colorado

Why? What do you base this on? Your own frustration or rumour?

[zeelaw]

That field was shocking last night, it's so narrow, no room for anything. Maybe the thinnest pitch I've ever seen?