Game 23 - Eastern Battle in New Jersey - NYRB hosts TFC Saturday 15 Aug 7 pm TSN2

[OgtheDim]

After that game on Saturday, I would think reduced expectations. Hoping for a win, would take a tie, expecting a loss.

Like Columbus, this is a big game standings wise.

NYRB are a solid team from back to front. Lots of energy. Play a lot like SKC actually.

We are a solid team from middle to front. I think we can get goals on the counter. But the defence needs to stand up and have a 99.9% game.

Wouldn't read too much into the derby happening tonight. NYCFC is a big mess.

[portu]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be the first game this season where everyone is available for selection?

Bendik; Morgan, Kantari, Perquis, Morrow; Cheyrou, Osorio, Warner, Bradley; Giovinco, Altidore
Bench: Konopka, Zavaleta, Williams, Jackson, Delgado, Herculez Gomez, Findley/Moore

[Discostu81]

Isn't it on the 15th rather than the 26th?

[OgtheDim]

UGH...if a friendly mod could change the title please. :facepalm: one keystroke over on the number pad......

[Initial B]

I'm assuming Vanney will put out what he considers his best defence (Konopka, Morgan, Kantari, Perquis, Morrow?) and start to let them gel through the rest of the season. Cheyrou and Bradley will form the core of the midfield and Seba and Herc will start, with Jozy coming on when Herc starts to tire (having been chastised by his benching). They'll mix and match the remaining midfielders based on the strengths/weaknesses of the opposition (I'm thinking Jackson/Delgado for NY).

[Ivy]

Truly worried about this game. NYRB are the best team in the east for me. Solid top to bottom.

[OgtheDim]

I think I agree with Larson here.


https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/630543607213223936

[Areathrasher]

We've never won in Red Bull arena, have we?

[SoccMan2]

I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to come on here and tell us that we should rest players for this game because we are unlikely to win and that we should give our top players a break and rest them for all the home games we are going to play that we have a better chance of winning.

[MightyDM]

For me, Jackson has to play, and Morrow. Whether it's better for Jackson to be on the right of the diamond or at full back will be the key personnel decision for this game.

also, Prrquis KantAri at CB. For now. But against the BWP and SWP combo, experience counts.

3-1 Toronto.

[khso11]

Think we should pack the midfield and be aggressive while shutting down BWP. 4-5-1 with Seba up top and let him do his magic. Bring Jozy in at the half and brutalize their defence. This should be a fast pace game with lots of fouls and cards.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to come on here and tell us that we should rest players for this game because we are unlikely to win and that we should give our top players a break and rest them for all the home games we are going to play that we have a better chance of winning.

Wasn't that about a plastic pitch? Red Bull Arena is natural grass.

[Graeme]

What about the 3/5/2 a.k.a. 5/3/2 that we played?

-----------------Konopka----------------
------Zavaleta--Perquis--Kantari--------
--Jackson------Cheyrou--------Morrow--
---------Bradley-------Osorio*----------
------Giovinco-----------Altidore---------

* or Warner or Delgado?

[nick.mastro]

Please Konopka better get a chance to start

[barticusz]

I've tried to be patient with Bendik.. my I just don't get what's happening with him this season. Is it just me or is his positioning awful as of late? Sure he's made some big saves, but the guy has let the team down with his subpar performances.

Konopka better? not really.. Q? has no experience.. Bono? he's been terrible in the USL. We have no one to play in the net.

[portu]

I've tried to be patient with Bendik.. my I just don't get what's happening with him this season. Is it just me or is his positioning awful as of late? Sure he's made some big saves, but the guy has let the team down with his subpar performances.

Konopka better? not really.. Q? has no experience.. Bono? he's been terrible in the USL. We have no one to play in the net.
We need to fix this in the offseason we just can't deal with below average goalkeeping

[Ultra & Proud]

I've tried to be patient with Bendik.. my I just don't get what's happening with him this season. Is it just me or is his positioning awful as of late? Sure he's made some big saves, but the guy has let the team down with his subpar performances.

Konopka better? not really.. Q? has no experience.. Bono? he's been terrible in the USL. We have no one to play in the net.

A lot of his big saves are recovery ones as he was out of position in the first place. Good for him that he has great reflexes.

Konopka better? Maybe not but team plays much better in front of him so he at least is better at communication or instilling confidence.

I say with Konopka we lose close or draw. With Bendik we allow 3 goals minimum and lose badly.

[ManUtd4ever]

We quite possibly have the worst goaltending tandem in the league to be honest. We should have never let Frei go.

[barticusz]

We need to fix this in the offseason we just can't deal with below average goalkeeping

Yea we've ridden this wave for many seasons now. It's time it is finally addressed. The offense in this league is getting to a point where you need your goaltender to be key. It's no coincidence that DC, Vancouver are sitting pretty right now. High end talent at the back for them.

[barticusz]

A lot of his big saves are recovery ones as he was out of position in the first place. Good for him that he has great reflexes.

Konopka better? Maybe not but team plays much better in front of him so he at least is better at communication or instilling confidence.

I say with Konopka we lose close or draw. With Bendik we allow 3 goals minimum and lose badly.

I'm with you. Konopka has better positional sense. Not nearly as athletic, but he doesn't have to be because he's in the right spot when the shot is taken. I'd give him another go.

[OgtheDim]

We quite possibly have the worst goaltending tandem in the league to be honest. We should have never let Frei go.

Dude, take a look at Philly. Its where Keepers go to die.

[portu]

Dude, take a look at Philly. Its where Keepers go to die.
But besides Philly

[Oldtimer]

We've never won in Red Bull arena, have we?

I still have terrible memories of only needing a draw in 2009, going down to a big loss against the last place team and out of the playoffs.

[Richard]

I still have terrible memories of only needing a draw in 2009, going down to a big loss against the last place team and out of the playoffs.

If there is a silver lining in that loss its that we most likely avoided having Mo for an extra 1-2 more years which would have set this franchise back another 3 years.

[kwhisperer]

I still have terrible memories of only needing a draw in 2009, going down to a big loss against the last place team and out of the playoffs.

Didn't Red Bulls set the record that year for most losses in an MLS season? That game was traumatizing!

[Detroit_TFC]

I'd say after what RB showed in that game vs NYC we're doomed but RB suffers from the up and down performance issue like almost every other team (incl TFC), so not a complete write off game at all.

[ManUtd4ever]

We haven't played two stinkers in a row all season, and we'll have our full lineup available for the first time in ages. I'm hopeful for a result, but Konopka needs to get back in. He's the lesser of two evils for now.

[OgtheDim]

Head's up people:

There's not a single journo or a single person involved with TFC who think anybody but Bendik is the man for the rest of the season. That's not going to change until he begins to make blunders that the staff credit as such. People can call for a change but it ain't happening.

[C.Ronaldo]

The FO and Journos have never been wrong before. :/

Bendik over Frei was a mistake since day one masked by garbage defence

[Ultra & Proud]

Head's up people:

There's not a single journo or a single person involved with TFC who think anybody but Bendik is the man for the rest of the season. That's not going to change until he begins to make blunders that the staff credit as such. People can call for a change but it ain't happening.
It must be based on seniority and pay. I can't imagine how the staff can't see the errors he's making game in and game out unless they believe all his issues can be corrected with coaching and reps.

[OgtheDim]

To be honest, there are about 4 decent keepers in MLS

Saunders (this season), Hamid, Ousted, Rimando


Everybody else has issues (yes, even St. Frei himself misses every couple of games)

[OgtheDim]

It must be based on seniority and pay. I can't imagine how the staff can't see the errors he's making game in and game out unless they believe all his issues can be corrected with coaching and reps.

They don't believe the goals are his errors.

[pekduck]

They don't believe the goals are his errors.

There's causation and correlation. Bendik did not cause the goal by loss of marking/focus/open space, but he's definitely not helping to rectify the situation as he's often out of position when turn over/open shots occurs. Is it awareness? Is it complacency? Is it the ability to read and perceive danger as it unfolds in front of him? Bendik is not lacking techniques at all. I say Bendik has better techniques than Konopka. However, something else that's less tangible, be it mentality or vocal communication or game sense, is somewhat an area much to be desired.

[Oldtimer]

Stefan Frei is earning $165k per season. That's a lot of salary space.

[Ultra & Proud]

Stefan Frei is earning $165k per season. That's a lot of salary space.
Bendik making what? About $13K less? Frei is not perfect but for $13K he's better than Bendik.

Looks like $8K less. That really is a no brainer on who gives you more bang for the buck.

[pdubs]

Stefan Frei is earning $165k per season. That's a lot of salary space.

He is under paid compared to these guys. Didn't know Hamid was on that much.

Sean Johnson $253K
Steve Clark 188K
Dan Kennedy 233K
Bill Hamid 405K
Tally Hall 228k
Donovan Rickets 260k
Rais Mbbolhi 350k
Adam Kwarasery 260k
Nick Rimando 375k
David Ousted 302k

All guaranteed not base. Bendik on 157k
Everyone else not listen on less.

http://www.mlsplayers.org/images/July%2015,%202015%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

Luis Robles on 151k

[Ultra & Proud]

Here's the Bendik issue; he is on $157K but doesn't offer much (if anything) more than a guy making $60K. If you want to talk waste of money then it's him. There is no major increase in level of play from Konopka to Bendik yet he makes 2.5 times his salary.

[MightyDM]

Head's up people:

There's not a single journo or a single person involved with TFC who think anybody but Bendik is the man for the rest of the season. That's not going to change until he begins to make blunders that the staff credit as such. People can call for a change but it ain't happening.

technically, he must be superior. It's just that at the moment it isn't translating on the field. He has been at fault for at least one goal each game since he has been back. Plus Konopka saves penalties, which is unfortunately quite relevant the way our D are playing

[MightyDM]

If there is a silver lining in that loss its that we most likely avoided having Mo for an extra 1-2 more years which would have set this franchise back another 3 years.

We lost Mo when Preki did not look like he was going to make the playoffs, hard to connect that so directly to the NYC Red Bull debacle. Plus there is no silver lining to that game, none. None.

[jloome]

technically, he must be superior. It's just that at the moment it isn't translating on the field. He has been at fault for at least one goal each game since he has been back. Plus Konopka saves penalties, which is unfortunately quite relevant the way our D are playing

Konopka's very shaky at handling the ball. He's a reaction keeper; so is Bendik, but Bendik has more chance of taking the ball in the air. That's probably all it is.

I just don't think Bendik reads the play very well and he puts himself in difficult positions. Frei, whom we traded, has more than twenty games in this season, so he's established now as the out-and-out in Seattle. He's been one of the best in the league this season.

Pointless to talk about now, trade deadline has passed. I suppose we could find someone good out of contract from Europe if we have the cap....

[MightyDM]

Konopka's very shaky at handling the ball. He's a reaction keeper; so is Bendik, but Bendik has more chance of taking the ball in the air. That's probably all it is.

I just don't think Bendik reads the play very well and he puts himself in difficult positions. Frei, whom we traded, has more than twenty games in this season, so he's established now as the out-and-out in Seattle. He's been one of the best in the league this season.

Pointless to talk about now, trade deadline has passed. I suppose we could find someone good out of contract from Europe if we have the cap....

I agree with you, but Bendik often doesn't use that assurance in games and too often stands on his line when he should come out and grab the ball. (Those two scrappy goals by NE were examples of that - he wasn't commanding his six yard box at all.) Konopka looked really shakey on those kind of balls in his first couple of games but improved. And agreed, it's one or the other at this point.

[Ultra & Proud]

I suppose we could find someone good out of contract from Europe if we have the cap....
As good as Gomez may be, this is where we should have spent that money but if we have more space then we should be looking for someone experienced to hold the fort.

[ManUtd4ever]

It might be worthwhile to give Roberts a shot.

[KGH]

Mods...can you keep discussion on topic?

I would be shocked if Perrinelle isn't suspended for the match. At the end of IR he takes a swing at one of the NYFC players.

[portu]

It might be worthwhile to give Roberts a shot.
Perhaps if get to the point in the season where we are guaranteed a playoff spot we could give him a couple games

[Cashcleaner]

Games like the one coming up against NYRB against clubss higher in the standings than us are far better indicators of our true quality than anything else, and TFC would be fools to go into New York without addressing some key shortcomings on this team.

I mean, we beat Orlando 4-1? Beat Montreal and San Jose both with a final score of 3-1? But so what!? Sure, we can make the playoffs with the roster we have now operating at it's current level - but we're not going to last long in the post season if clubs like SKC can pick us apart at home like what we saw happen last Saturday. I know we have some nice space to work with in the Eastern standings right now, but we gotta start winning these games against the stronger teams in the league.

[Ultra & Proud]

NYRB on a real good run these days and they play a style that can give us a lot of problems. We'll be in real tough unless all facets of our game are running A+.

[molenshtain]

Games like the one coming up against NYRB against clubss higher in the standings than us are far better indicators of our true quality than anything else, and TFC would be fools to go into New York without addressing some key shortcomings on this team.

I mean, we beat Orlando 4-1? Beat Montreal and San Jose both with a final score of 3-1? But so what!? Sure, we can make the playoffs with the roster we have now operating at it's current level - but we're not going to last long in the post season if clubs like SKC can pick us apart at home like what we saw happen last Saturday. I know we have some nice space to work with in the Eastern standings right now, but we gotta start winning these games against the stronger teams in the league.


we ended D.C.'s 20 game home unbeaten streak. Something to think about.

We had a much bigger problem with getting results against good teams last year then we do this year.

[ag futbol]

Here's the Bendik issue; he is on $157K but doesn't offer much (if anything) more than a guy making $60K. If you want to talk waste of money then it's him. There is no major increase in level of play from Konopka to Bendik yet he makes 2.5 times his salary.
$60k I'd just hope for someone who can tie their shoelaces, not enough money to get any sort of pro. Knopka is underpaid to a certain extent.

I don't get the "Bednik has good technique" argument. Tell that to a goalkeeping coach, I'm sure you'll get an earful.

[MightyDM]

$60k I'd just hope for someone who can tie their shoelaces, not enough money to get any sort of pro. Knopka is underpaid to a certain extent.

I don't get the "Bednik has good technique" argument. Tell that to a goalkeeping coach, I'm sure you'll get an earful.

i am with you. Would love to see Konopka start this game, with one exception, we played much better with him in net. But I sense it will not be happening.

[Ultra & Proud]

I don't get the "Bednik has good technique" argument. Tell that to a goalkeeping coach, I'm sure you'll get an earful.
I think Bendik has better technique than Konopka. Better recovery too and is faster. Konopka does look awkward and slow but his positioning and communication is better. Bottom line: for whatever reason, the team plays better in front of Konopka.

[BelfastBoy]

Konopka looks way more intimidating with the beard. Play Konopka for the rest of the season and hope that our attacking play can get the results.

[Initial B]

Would it help Bendik if he grew a beard?

Hey, it worked for Tim howard, didn't it? :D

[BelfastBoy]

Would it help Bendik if he grew a beard?

Hey, it worked for Tim howard, didn't it? :D

I don't think there is time for that.

[OgtheDim]

Hmmmmm......

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/631149955613368320

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/631150144583520257

There will be an interview of Vanney up tonight as there is a tweet of him being interviewed by Gol.

[Areathrasher]

Great.......

[barticusz]

Hope Perquis is ok. No matter what the perception is of him as of late, the guy is a good defender and we need him on this team if we want to move forward towards the post season.

I'm actually most interested in seeing Veron play this upcoming weekend. Hope his pace doesn't kill our backline.

[Yohan]

Hope Perquis is ok. No matter what the perception is of him as of late, the guy is a good defender and we need him on this team if we want to move forward towards the post season.

I'm actually most interested in seeing Veron play this upcoming weekend. Hope his pace doesn't kill our backline.
I dunno if he's a 'good' defender but he's better than most CBs we've had before. I'm hoping that all the mistakes he's making is due to getting used to MLS and he'll get the stupid out of his system soon.

[barticusz]

I dunno if he's a 'good' defender but he's better than most CBs we've had before. I'm hoping that all the mistakes he's making is due to getting used to MLS and he'll get the stupid out of his system soon.

Whatever you or other fans may think of him the guy has played in both Ligue 1 and La Liga during his career. He is a good defender by that standard. Clearly he's having a very difficult time adjusting to the constant calls/missed calls that we continually see in MLS. I've never seen him show this much outward display of frustration in all my time watching him. Does he need to improve. Yes, but it is his first year in a brand new soccer culture/system.

[pekduck]

Whatever you or other fans may think of him the guy has played in both Ligue 1 and La Liga during his career. He is a good defender by that standard. Clearly he's having a very difficult time adjusting to the constant calls/missed calls that we continually see in MLS. I've never seen him show this much outward display of frustration in all my time watching him. Does he need to improve. Yes, but it is his first year in a brand new soccer culture/system.

in summary, he's having a tough time dealing with incompetent refereeing level in this league... i don't blame him, but does wish cooler heads will prevail eventually

[Ultra & Proud]

Whatever you or other fans may think of him the guy has played in both Ligue 1 and La Liga during his career. He is a good defender by that standard. Clearly he's having a very difficult time adjusting to the constant calls/missed calls that we continually see in MLS. I've never seen him show this much outward display of frustration in all my time watching him. Does he need to improve. Yes, but it is his first year in a brand new soccer culture/system.
Good thing he was suspended for that shite from last Saturday. He'd have probably been arrested after that one.

[portu]

Whatever you or other fans may think of him the guy has played in both Ligue 1 and La Liga during his career. He is a good defender by that standard. Clearly he's having a very difficult time adjusting to the constant calls/missed calls that we continually see in MLS. I've never seen him show this much outward display of frustration in all my time watching him. Does he need to improve. Yes, but it is his first year in a brand new soccer culture/system.
Yup, this right here^

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHwdDJghRWI

Vanney today.

[ag futbol]

I think Bendik has better technique than Konopka. Better recovery too and is faster. Konopka does look awkward and slow but his positioning and communication is better. Bottom line: for whatever reason, the team plays better in front of Konopka.
In terms of shot stopping, sure. But the other stuff, which people overlook but coaches shouldn't, Bednik is just not up to par.

Neither is great on the ball or has good distribution, but I find Bednik just a bit more speculative with his decisions.

[kwhisperer]

Without getting into the finer points of goaltending technique, Bendik isn't playing well as well as Konopka was playing; sticking with Bendik is just stubbornness and doesn't serve the team well.

[OgtheDim]

And talking over and over and over again about Konopka replacing Bendik is equally pointless in a game thread because its not going to happen.

[Ultra & Proud]

And talking over and over and over again about Konopka replacing Bendik is equally pointless in a game thread because its not going to happen.
Then we shouldn't be surprised when our goals against stays at 3 or higher. We'll allow at least that many this weekend. I just hope our offence can click again but we're up against another pressing team so...

[Canary10]

To me Bendik is too laissez faire about commanding the box and directing his backline. Often isn't strong in getting up for balls in the air (maybe because he's fat). But also don't think he's a big problem either.

[Ultra & Proud]

To me Bendik is too laissez faire about commanding the box and directing his backline. Often isn't strong in getting up for balls in the air (maybe because he's fat). But also don't think he's a big problem either.
But he's one of the problems. You have to work on fixing all of them for us to be successful. The defense is to blame too and all those small issues compound into one big 3+ GA pile of crap.

So yeah, defense is culpable. No doubt, but I don't think Bendik is helping them to succeed. Lack of communication, poor positioning, and a lack of control of his box has defenders questioning where they should be and you can see it. The back four, especially the CBs (all of them) look more rattled and chaotic when Bendik is in there. It'd be hard to argue that the back line looks at least more composed when Konopka is in there. And as per Larsun's article, yes, we allow 5+ shots per match and a lot of that is due to poor passing and general silliness when trying to play the ball out of the back (that one's on Vanney) but to call Bendik a scapegoat while pointing to his flashy saves is ridiculous. It's a pretty superficial outlook and sadly, I think it's the same one our coaching staff has as well.

[BuSaPuNk]

Its just a confidence issue with Bendik. And I dont blame him. That backline in front of him has let him down huge. Most of our goals against arnt the fault of Bendik but the backline and defensive miss for allowing the play to get through for a chance at Bendik.

If the backline can play more stable and get better out of Perquis and Morrow who both have had some head cramps in the back and the midfield can do kore to slow attacks down Bendik won't have to be relied on as much.

[Canary10]

But he's one of the problems. You have to work on fixing all of them for us to be successful. The defense is to blame too and all those small issues compound into one big 3+ GA pile of crap.

So yeah, defense is culpable. No doubt, but I don't think Bendik is helping them to succeed. Lack of communication, poor positioning, and a lack of control of his box has defenders questioning where they should be and you can see it. The back four, especially the CBs (all of them) look more rattled and chaotic when Bendik is in there. It'd be hard to argue that the back line looks at least more composed when Konopka is in there. And as per Larsun's article, yes, we allow 5+ shots per match and a lot of that is due to poor passing and general silliness when trying to play the ball out of the back (that one's on Vanney) but to call Bendik a scapegoat while pointing to his flashy saves is ridiculous. It's a pretty superficial outlook and sadly, I think it's the same one our coaching staff has as well.

Yeah I agree with most of this. I remember a few years ago watching Brad Friedel in a Spurs practice. Holy crap that guy is intense. Even in practice the defense knew exactly where it was supposed to be and got in serious shit if they weren't. To me Bendik lacks the intensity and command it takes to be a really good keeper.

[ManUtd4ever]

Many of the goals Bendik has allowed this season were stoppable. The backline is not as much of an issue as some are portraying. It's not a coincidence that our goals against was respectable when Konopka had a run of games and now it has skyrocketed again with Bendik in goal.

It impacts the entire team, and it's deflating for the players.

[OgtheDim]

Soooooooo...........do we stick with the diamond?

[Canary10]

5 man mid, only let Seba venture up. Bench Jozy. Play for the point.

[barticusz]

Too early to scrap the diamond as we're just getting our starters back. What we need is for Bendik to be like most other keepers in this league and make a few big saves. Not just one due to his terrible positioning to begin with.

Normally I don't like to use scapegoats.. but Bendik has been absolutely atrocious this year and last. Yes there is some blame to be placed on the defense/midfield group, however watching numerous games this year, most teams give up these opportunities, yet their goaltenders bail them out far more often. Look at Melia last night with his save on Jackson, that is a surefire goal against Bendik because he would have been much too close to his left post to stop it.

Bingham has done very well for SJ, Deric in Houston, Clark in Columbus... hell even Evan Bush in Montreal looks more steady than Bendik. He is not a #1 keeper at this level, or at least he hasn't shown that he can be one in the last 2 years. He's only played 11 games and he's got a GAA of 2.00.. That is horrendous. It's not just the team is the player. Konopka's GAA is 1.45 over the same number of games and he's a career backup too. Among starters, Bendik is 18th in save percentage. If we ride him out this year.. I trust that Bez will be looking into a legitimate GK for next year.

[PopePouri]

Soooooooo...........do we stick with the diamond?

I'd say yes. Jozy is still important as a a hold up player and we're going to need that against NY's high press.

Cheyrou slots back in at the base and push Warner out wide. Delgado sits.

[Mateo1985]

So is Herculez gonna play? Like at least off the bench or something?

[notthesun]

Jozy vs. his old club... I hope he gets fired up for this one.

I think he starts but if he's not getting into the game we sub him out early for Gomez (like around 60 minutes).

[flamehawk]

Well Bono is not even on the bench for today's tfc 2 game. I wonder if he's in new york

[Ultra & Proud]

To me Bendik lacks the intensity and command it takes to be a really good keeper.
If we go by Larsun's Sun article then it looks like Bendik is the fun, joking glue guy in the locker room, just like Jeremy Hall was. It is true that having a guy like that is important but that guy should either be a position player of the back up GK. I see that kind of intensity in other GKs around the league and Konopka for sure isn't among the best of them but he surely isn't among the worst like Bendik currently is.

[Richard]

Konopka has an epic beard, that alone should should command respect, but seriously though I think the defense infront needs to play better.

I think Vanney would know if his players have lost confidene in Bendik so we shall see if a change occurs, I do agree that Bendik should be more assertive, somones got to get control of Perquis and he certainly cant do it.

[Canary10]

I'd say yes. Jozy is still important as a a hold up player and we're going to need that against NY's high press.

Cheyrou slots back in at the base and push Warner out wide. Delgado sits.

I'm not a fan of a diamond personally and maybe that effects my response. I think it puts too much on the player at the base. In this case Cheyrou who really isn't a natural DM in my opinion nor has the legs to cover that ground on his own. If you want to answer why we are giving up so many goals the diamond is a good place to look. But, again, that's from my own playing experience.

[Pint]

Well Bono is not even on the bench for today's tfc 2 game. I wonder if he's in new york

Team hasn't left yet and if he makes the 1st team before Q i may lose my damn mind lol Might just be that they wanted him training today with Q starting.

[ronzilla]

Didn't Konopka concede 4 goals back-to-back last few games he played ?

[portu]

Didn't Konopka concede 4 goals back-to-back last few games he played ?
Yup 4-0 against LA (which was as much the defences fault as it was his) and 4-4 v NYC (He should have had the free kick and our defence was yet again a travesty)

[OgtheDim]

FWIW

(Again, this has been surprisingly accurate this season)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMNz-7kW8AADJAI.png

[ronzilla]

Jozy needs to come off the bench until he can prove he is a starter.

[OgtheDim]

Jozy needs to come off the bench until he can prove he is a starter.

He's a starter on every team but LAG, including TFC.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

I get the feeling that he's injured just like Bradley was at the end of last year, suspect that once he's back to 100% we will see a difference

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Ftr if I'm not mistaken he's got 7 goals in 12 games

[jloome]

I get the feeling that he's injured just like Bradley was at the end of last year, suspect that once he's back to 100% we will see a difference

I have a real worry; he has injured or pulled that thigh muscle about a half-dozen times now since moving to Europe and it may be that it's a chronic issue now. He may also be worried that's the case and limiting his movement except when he's sure he has a chance on the play, i.e. playing tentatively.

[ronzilla]

Ftr if I'm not mistaken he's got 7 goals in 12 games

7 goals in 17 games and 2 goals were from PK's.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

7 goals in 17 games and 2 goals were from PK's.

either way, not that bad a rate regardless of where the goals come from

[notthesun]

He won both his PKs to be fair.

[Derko]

7 goals in 17 games and 2 goals were from PK's.

If you want to play the statistics game, PK's are goals no matter how you want to spin it, it is like saying goals from free kicks don't count because they do not come from open play, just a point to be considered. I would imagine that when you are counting Seba's goals you do not include his 3 PK's :drinking:

[notthesun]

Perquis out, Hagglund & Williams both available for selection.

[Detroit_TFC]

No Perquis, Hagglund and Williams now available per Vanney. Despite the endless defensive rotation, this might be the right time to use Williams and see what he can do.

[OgtheDim]

Jozy starts

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/631884713540513792

[OgtheDim]

Boom

https://twitter.com/WheelerTSN/status/631885101534707712

[Areathrasher]

OG beat me to it :lol:

[OgtheDim]

Its looking like nobody but the 3 DP's (and maybe Cheyrou) are going to be allowed to think they are guaranteed a start. That's a good thing.

[Areathrasher]

https://twitter.com/WheelerTSN/status/631885399942672384

Sounds like he may be leaning towards starting Hagglund. Not sure what to make of that tbh.

[Pint]

Hagglund seams to be our best player in the air and it's not like anyone else has shown they are solid at the back.

[Areathrasher]

Hagglund seams to be our best player in the air and it's not like anyone else has shown they are solid at the back.

True but he's been out for how many weeks now? Throwing him in (and Williams potentially) against New York with their press and pace, doesn't seem wise to me.

[portu]

I honestly see so little difference between Hagglund and Zavaleta

[Pint]

I would hope we go with morgan and morrow at FB if we are putting Hagglund in. No need to throw 2 guys who have been off for a while in if it isn't a necessity.

[Stress]

I didn't think morgan looked very good last game. Jackson has been pretty decent at RB so I don't see that changing. Would expect Jackson/Hagglund/Kantari/Morrow for Saturday.

[notthesun]

Warner and Delgado were both poor last match however, Vanney may want to move Jackson into midfield for this one.

Red Bulls play very high-energy, fast-paced soccer. That seems to fit Delgado and Jackson's strengths more so than Warner, I wonder if Warner might come off the bench for this one.

[C.Ronaldo]

zavaleta over hagglun b/c hes played more this year .........and hes family

[barticusz]

Warner and Delgado were both poor last match however, Vanney may want to move Jackson into midfield for this one.

Red Bulls play very high-energy, fast-paced soccer. That seems to fit Delgado and Jackson's strengths more so than Warner, I wonder if Warner might come off the bench for this one.

Though I agree with you.. Delgado was completely overwhelmed by SKC's press. I can see Jackson taking up that spot though.

[TorontoFC6fan]

https://twitter.com/WheelerTSN/status/631885399942672384

Sounds like he may be leaning towards starting Hagglund. Not sure what to make of that tbh.

For f*&K sakes Hagglund ?

http://s1.postimg.org/6g92837b1/static1_squarespace_com.gif
http://i2.wp.com/www.raptorscage.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Casey-GIF.gif

[TorontoFC6fan]

Hagglund seams to be our best player in the air and it's not like anyone else has shown they are solid at the back.
http://i.imgur.com/50OIIeT.jpg

[ronzilla]

http://i.imgur.com/NxvLl5e.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/NxvLl5e.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/NxvLl5e.gif

[Pint]

http://i.imgur.com/50OIIeT.jpg

cute gif... want to actually refute what i stated?

[khso11]

REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
AR1: Corey Parker
AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
4TH: Alan Kelly

[OgtheDim]

Perinelle out with a 2 game ban.

[OgtheDim]

cute gif... want to actually refute what i stated?

He doesn't do that.

[FRANKIE65]

REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
AR1: Corey Parker
AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
4TH: Alan Kelly

God help us!

[Derko]

God help us!

Could be worse, Gieger, I would have rather had Toledo last game, at least you know what will happen. lol

[Fort York Redcoat]

http://i.imgur.com/50OIIeT.jpg

6fan be like

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/011/607/repost.jpg

[Pint]

While Toledo is terrible at his job he is terrible for both teams... will take consistent terribleness over Gantar every day of the week.

[OgtheDim]

Toledo is unlikely to allow any hack and slash of Giovinco.

[Areathrasher]

Kemar Lawerence could be out for NYRB.

NYRB fans starting to panic over the state of their defense for tomorrow.

[Ivy]

Kemar Lawerence could be out for NYRB.

NYRB fans starting to panic over the state of their defense for tomorrow.
Double digit combined score game.

[Oldtimer]

Toledo is unlikely to allow any hack and slash of Giovinco.

He's always looking for the chance to do this:

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/279/files/2014/04/referee-baldomero-toledo-lloyd-sam-mls-new-york-red-bulls-philadelphia-union.jpg

Still... any match can get totally ruined by Toledo.

[Yohan]

With Perrinelle suspended, Toledo can have a bad game as long as he stops NYRB from hacking Giovinco. NYRB attack can be dangerous, but as long as Giovinco gets space to run at NYRB defence, I think we probably get a result.

[CBTFC]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)

[Oldtimer]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)

You're fine! However, maybe you can suggest these Netflix favourites as a compromise g:D:

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2015/02/10-best-soccer-movies-on-netflix.html

[FRANKIE65]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)

PVR, man, PVR:):)

[Auzzy]

With Toledo as ref, perhaps better that Perquis is out anyway.

[Pint]

Chapman is with the 2's this weekend.

[Carts]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)

Watch "Netflix & Chill" with a girl you haven't seen in 10-years................. that's code if I've ever heard it!!!!

HAVE FUN! :ihih: :p :reddevil:

[Fort York Redcoat]

Chapman is with the 2's this weekend.:)

http://www.untoldentertainment.com/blog/img/features/pimpMyPortal/part4-funWithFiverr/toonies.jpg

[OgtheDim]

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/632252840367521792

Would like to see him off the bench.


Temperature will be 88 with a 40% humidity at game time. A motivated Hercules coming in around 65 minutes will be more useful then Moore or Findley in that heat.

[ManUtd4ever]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)

You know that old joke?

Why do Canadians like to do it doggy style? So they can both watch the hockey game. g:D

[portu]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)
Haha use that PVR man, try not to get curved!

[portu]

You know that old joke?

Why do Canadians like to do it doggy style? So they can both watch the hockey game. g:D
Omfg I'm dying :lol:

[Red CB Toronto]

good one, hopefully the Reds can come home with the three points !!

[DOMIN8R]

The good news is that ..... (http://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2015/08/14/toronto-fc-coach-thinks-full-week-of-rest-will-make-difference.html?) TFC's Jim Brennan, may be available for Saturday's game in New York (http://www.thestar.com/sports/tfc/2015/08/14/toronto-fc-coach-thinks-full-week-of-rest-will-make-difference.html?).

:confused:

[Petor]

REF: BALDOMERO TOLEDO
AR1: Corey Parker
AR2: Oscar Mitchell-Carvalho
4TH: Alan Kelly

It's a blessing in disguise that Perquis is out.
He would have received a red card in the first 10 minutes from Toledo.

[MightyDM]

So...there this girl I haven't seen in about 10 years who wants to "watch netflix and chill" tomorrow evening, right at the same time that the game is on.

Am I a part-time supporter if I miss one match? ;)

buy her a TFC shirt and bring her to Joes. In the long run, she'll like you more....

[MightyDM]

With Toledo as ref, perhaps better that Perquis is out anyway.

Perhaps Vanney recognized that....

[andyboy]

I like this line-up! I foresee a positive result.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMNz-7kW8AADJAI.png[/QUOTE]

[mowe]

Return of Cheyrou is key. I'd love to see a run of games with him + our 3 DPs.

[Soccerpro]

Our defence will hand them lots of quality scoring chances. The only question is how many goals we can score in order to win...

[OgtheDim]

Game Day :scarf:

[Cashcleaner]

I like this line-up! I foresee a positive result.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMNz-7kW8AADJAI.png

I can get behind that, I suppose. The thing is, this is a match that TFC really needs to get a result from. I've said it elsewhere, but it's one thing to beat Orlando 4-1 or San Jose 3-0 both at home - those clubs are having pretty mediocre seasons this year. But it's another thing to get a result against clubs like Columbus or DC or NYRB. We gotta start beating the teams who are in solid contention for the post season. Heck, we've already done it once with DC and once with Vancouver who are both top of the tables at the moment.

Anyway, as for the game today...

Current conditions in Harrison are somewhat cloudy with a light breeze and a temperature of 23 Celsius. Things are gonna heat up closer to kick-off though and we're expecting to see a high of around 32 later on in the afternoon with little cloud cover. I don't think these conditions are going to give either side a significant advantage, but the Red Bull have only lost 2 home games out of 10 so far this season.

[pdubs]

Cheyrou is our linchpin and can break down their defense. Expect Jozy to get more quality opportunities thrown at him. (He missed that sitter last match needs to make up for that.) Warner has been good in the diamond on the side. Worried about our flanks in the narrow formation and the amount of chances we will give up allowing the ball in. Set piece defending has been bad, same with set piece offense. Hope we see better outcomes since Vanney has been talking about it.

edit- Giovinco can win this game on his own. I hope tho defensively we look more sound and offensive move the ball that our goal last week and really break down their defense. Slow buildup seems like a major issue for us. When we move fast in transition not many teams can stop us. Big points.

[KGH]

Just spent the am doing Central Park and 5th Ave with the mrs. Just waiting for a buddy to arrive at grand central before we hit McSorleys for a couple pops. Hopefully hitting Harrison by 430. We're stoked to see the game today. Check another away trip off my list.

[General Woolfe]

Sadly i expect another road loss this evening. I cant help feel the Energy Drinks will be too much at home. Hopefully however this will be the start of our best XI (our close to it) getting a serious run of games between now and the seasons end, which weve been denied this season so far. Tonight should see us start to bond into the strong side we know we can be heading into the playoffs, especially in regards our DP getting an extended run playing together

[charlieocc]

Sadly i expect another road loss this evening. I cant help feel the Energy Drinks will be too much at home. Hopefully however this will be the start of our best XI (our close to it) getting a serious run of games between now and the seasons end, which weve been denied this season so far. Tonight should see us start to bond into the strong side we know we can be heading into the playoffs, especially in regards our DP getting an extended run playing together

Agreed, I think the most we can ask for is that Gio and Altidore can begin to mesh, with Bradley as well.

[ensco]

TFC 3, RBNY 1 - they have a makeshift back line tonight.

[ronzilla]

The only way Red Bullies will win is if they cut off service to Giovinco and keep him quiet. if they fail to do this, Seba will score another brace or hat trick.
3-2 final score for the good guys.

[Soccerpro]

3-2 NYRB win. Why is our defence going to be any different this week?

[OgtheDim]

I want to see them fight through the press tonight. And not just rely upon Cheyrou to break it. All 4 mids and the 2 FB's have to show some effort to break the press.


On another note

https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/632664362084343809


Bendik, Konopka & Bono :noidea:

[molenshtain]

3-2 NYRB win. Why is our defence going to be any different this week?


We have our starting midfield four together for the first time in a while, NY's winger's haven't been playing too well, or maybe simply we shift into another gear defensively after Vanney's comment's last week?

[Soccerpro]

We have our starting midfield four together for the first time in a while, NY's winger's haven't been playing too well, or maybe simply we shift into another gear defensively after Vanney's comment's last week?

I really hope that Vanney's comments last week aren't capable of making players magically play better. If they are, it means that the players just weren't trying very hard all year. Wouldn't that be a reflection on someone?

[molenshtain]

I really hope that Vanney's comments last week aren't capable of making players magically play better. If they are, it means that the players just weren't trying very hard all year. Wouldn't that be a reflection on someone?

Not necessarily. If your boss gives you an ultimatum on the status of your job that just might light a fire under you.

My point was that sometimes a player's form can increase, the same way it decreases, regardless of the reason.

[portu]

Why the hell is Bono in NJ?? If he starts then I lose faith in this coaching staff

[OgtheDim]

I really hope that Vanney's comments last week aren't capable of making players magically play better. If they are, it means that the players just weren't trying very hard all year. Wouldn't that be a reflection on someone?

There is and has always been a lack of institutional memory of what to do when x happens to TFC. Our horrendous personnel and coaching turnover has never allowed us to develop the knowledge to be comfortable as a group dealing with a situation. Right now, our most cohesive unit is our midfield because Bradley, Osorio and Warner played together at times last season. The only other unit grouping to play together are Morrow or Morgan with Bendik.

When dealing with a press, this team is relying upon the experience of its players. Defensive pressure is the toughest to adjust to as you have to be 98% successful or you lose. I'm hoping that Vanney's coaching and reminders will finally get through to the mids and the defenders and they start to realise that they can, as a group, cope adjust and overcome.

[azorean]

All I want is a win. That last game was a chitshow! Come on, our payroll is what? Enough of hovering around .500, the Bulls downgraded so much, payroll included, yet look where they are? Seriously, I know we had those bunch of games on the road to start off with, etc...but this team has overall been less than then impressive with the exception of Giovinco,keep waiting for us to go on a Blue Jays type of run,maybe tonight is the start of it. What we've seen up to now doesn't cut it, we've been better but nowhere near where our payroll and talent suggests we should be. Hope Gomez gets a run out.

[PopePouri]

I really hope that Vanney's comments last week aren't capable of making players magically play better. If they are, it means that the players just weren't trying very hard all year. Wouldn't that be a reflection on someone?

That's not how soccer works.

[OgtheDim]

Well that's different.

[Petor]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/632673167639642113

[redisthenewblk]

Williams gets the start.

[OgtheDim]

Delgado preferred over Osorio. Hmmmmmm........

[Petor]

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/632674132396609537

[azorean]

I like the Williams and Gomez pickups. Seems like every time I remember watching the Crew there was Williams getting a clutch goal off a header or scramble in the box. Guy gets up field well.

[Petor]

It's nice knowing that you have game changing quality off of the bench, not like in past years.

[notthesun]

Not sure what Osorio did to lose his spot. I would have liked to see Jackson in midfield as well.

Talk about a lack of confidence in our CBs. Guy coming off injuries/limited playing time more used to playing at RB and making his first appearance for the club picked over 2 backup CBs.

Curious one... should be an interesting game.

[ronzilla]

Hope to see Gomez get some minutes.

[Petor]

Not sure what Osorio did to lose his spot. I would have liked to see Jackson in midfield as well.

Talk about a lack of confidence in our CBs. Guy coming off injuries/limited playing time more used to playing at RB and making his first appearance for the club picked over 2 backup CBs.

Curious one... should be an interesting game.

Osorio has played a lot recently, maybe he just needs a little break?

[Petor]

https://twitter.com/NewYorkRedBulls/status/632675514898100224

[azorean]

Good, what we've seen til now doesn't cut it. Why not give Williams a run out? if he can regain his Crew form we got a keeper.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW,

According to transfermarkt, Willaims is a right footed CD who can play RB.

[charlieocc]

I have no problem with the Williams start, and to be honest I've really liked Delgado the last couple of games so I'm happy with that too

[mowe]

Hmm a back line that's never played together, could get ugly.

[azorean]

McCarty is so underrated....Red Bulls building with some nice youngsters, Miazga, Lawrence, Grella...

[Soccerpro]

I'm willing to give Kantari until the end of the season, but no question Perquis should be cut/shipped out as soon as the season ends. We need an actual stud defender that all top teams seem to have.

[Ivy]

Hmm a back line that's never played together, could get ugly.
Funny...

cuz if this game does get ugly, TFC fans will be screaming how terrible Bendik and Kantari are, and Vanney needs to go.

[azorean]

Going out on a limb, i know he is a defender but i remember him more for being dangerous in and around the box, Williams gets a goal near post, off header or short redirected volley......lol

[charlieocc]

Funny...

cuz if this game does get ugly, TFC fans will be screaming how terrible Bendik and Kantari are, and Vanney needs to go.

As is tradition

[OgtheDim]

Hmm a back line that's never played together, could get ugly.

Same on NYRB's side though. As was SKC last week, truth be told.

Difference is Red Bulls are playing a 4-2-3-1. BWP doesn't press all that much but McCarty and Felipe give them a solid line to close down space in front of the back 4. If we can get passes through those 2, we should be off to the races.


Lade has been very good for them coming forward and defensively. Will have to see how he does against Morgan, Delgado and Giovinco sliding out left. Sam is a liability on defence.

[Kamp Berg]

Does anyone know of a website that has the game tonight, just moved to the country and no rogers or bell!

[azorean]

Who's taller, Lade or Gio? .,gotta be close

[charlieocc]

Does anyone know of a website that has the game tonight, just moved to the country and no rogers or bell!
Usually someone on Reddit comes out with one, so check on reddit.com/r/soccerstreams, or the game thread in /r/mls

[ronzilla]

STREAMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZllQCfc7NE English



http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|247209|330488|247209|64|1|en English

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|311223|330488|311223|64|1|en Russian

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|233209|330488|233209|64|1|en Unknown

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|233209|330488|233209|64|1|en Spanish

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|310622|330488|310622|64|1|en Unknown

http://live.realstreamunited.com/streaming/free-live-video-streaming-new-york-red-bulls-toronto-fc-football-usa-major-soccer-league-114628.html English

http://live.realstreamunited.com/streaming/free-live-video-streaming-new-york-red-bulls-toronto-fc-football-usa-major-soccer-league-114626.html English

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/new-york-red-bulls-vs-toronto-fc-live-streaming English

[charlieocc]

Who's taller, Lade or Gio? .,gotta be close

Lade by 3 inches, according to both team's official site! (Lade is 5'7, Gio 5'4 apparently)

[azorean]

Lade by 3 inches, according to both team's official site! (Lade is 5'7, Gio 5'4 apparently)

Wow, think they being generous to Lade....lol

[OgtheDim]

I think 5'4" is generous to Giovinco. :)

[azorean]

I think 5'4" is generous to Giovinco. :)

Truth..:)

[molenshtain]

Not sure what Osorio did to lose his spot. I would have liked to see Jackson in midfield as well.

Talk about a lack of confidence in our CBs. Guy coming off injuries/limited playing time more used to playing at RB and making his first appearance for the club picked over 2 backup CBs.

Curious one... should be an interesting game.


RE Osorio: he plays better when we're on the front foot and the game is slowed down. Vanney also might just be rotating the squad a bit.

RE Jackson: over who exactly do you think he should start?

[OgtheDim]

Not sure who is doing the TSN colour commentary tonight. Kristian Jack is there but if its Rauter on the play by play.....ugh.

If you want to hear an interesting point of view on things, Shep Messing usually does the Red Bull games colour. Doesn't hold back from criticism of anybody.

[azorean]

I kind of like Rauter, reminds me of old CSL days. Does anyone know what happened to his partner back in the day, Graham Leggatt? They were OK together.

[Kamp Berg]

STREAMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZllQCfc7NE English



http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|247209|330488|247209|64|1|en English

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|311223|330488|311223|64|1|en Russian

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|233209|330488|233209|64|1|en Unknown

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|233209|330488|233209|64|1|en Spanish

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/330488_new_york_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|310622|330488|310622|64|1|en Unknown

http://live.realstreamunited.com/streaming/free-live-video-streaming-new-york-red-bulls-toronto-fc-football-usa-major-soccer-league-114628.html English

http://live.realstreamunited.com/streaming/free-live-video-streaming-new-york-red-bulls-toronto-fc-football-usa-major-soccer-league-114626.html English

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/new-york-red-bulls-vs-toronto-fc-live-streaming English


Thanks!

[shwade]

Is Jackson injured?
Also...playing Williams out of position in his first game with a back line that has yet to gel ... good idea.

[nonc]

Bendik again oh dear let us pray.

[OgtheDim]

Is Jackson injured?
Also...playing Williams out of position in his first game with a back line that has yet to gel ... good idea.

As mentioned already........he's not out of position at RCD.

[nonc]

Those streams don't work for me if it's like that for anyone else I suggest StopStream (what i've used for years) or LiveTV.

The first LiveAll option on Stopstream is Eurosport2 and above average clarity.

[[NBF]]

Karl ouimete in the starting lineup for NYRB. Odds might be good for Giovinco to score multiple goals

[Blixa]

Come on boys, let's do this.

[ag futbol]

How many more games are we going to play a natural left footer at RB? Groan

[pdubs]

Poor shot. Great pass.

[nonc]

Delgado has to do better. Drives me nuts when players can't use their wrong foot!

[QBall]

Where was Altidore? Why wasn't he there instead of Delgado to receive Seba's pass?

[pdubs]

Morgan needs a better ball in. Can't waste that.

[ronzilla]

Can't believe he missed that. Fock

[jloome]

Great movement by Ashtone there, really exploding into the space. THat's a good sign.

[andyboy]

Playing Delgado and not Osorio is a mistake.

[khso11]

Good tackle, Cheyrou can't do that at midfield.

[molenshtain]

Delgado has to do better. Drives me nuts when players can't use their wrong foot!

Yeah! fuck that twenty year old for getting in a great position on the counter-attack and narrowly missing with his bad foot!

great tacklee by Williams

[Soccerpro]

Josh Williams already with a better tackle than anything Perquis produced this year.

[ag futbol]

Dear god TSN... Fix the sound

[Soccerpro]

Yeah! fuck that twenty year old for getting in a great position on the counter-attack and narrowly missing with his bad foot.

That's a B.S reply. It's a valid criticism that a pro player can't use their other foot, regardless of age.

[molenshtain]

That's a B.S reply. It's a valid criticism that a pro player can't use their other foot, regardless of age.

He did use it, he narrowly missed. Some players miss shots.

[jloome]

Playing Delgado and not Osorio is a mistake.

I dunno, I think he's picking and choosing based on opposition. KC pressed high last week, as NY does, and Osorio just seemed a step behind the play for most of the game.

[khso11]

Altidore has to use his head, wtf was that.

[ag futbol]

Golden chance that was missed. We should hope that doesn't cost us. To not even force a save in a situation like that ...

[nonc]

Yeah! fuck that twenty year old for getting in a great position on the counter-attack and narrowly missing with his bad foot!

great tacklee by Williams

It was a miss hit and wasn't very close. Yeah it was a great tackle.


Altidore still sucking. Why did we sign him to such a long contract? He's grossly overcompensated and it can't be unloaded if needed.

[shwade]

Fucking penalty!!

[pdubs]

Williams looks like a commanding force so far.

[notthesun]

Their backline can't handle Altidore. Holding the ball up really well, need more players linking up with him once he brings it down.

[Ultra & Proud]

Getting pressed like last week. Lots of our players doddling on the ball in midfield and losing possession.

[khso11]

Need to see the replay on that, but I think the defender got the ball. But that nutmeg tho!

[Ultra & Proud]

No PK on that one. Toledo gets one right.

[pdubs]

Josh Williams already with a better tackle than anything Perquis produced this year.

His timing seems sounds so far. Big presence.

[ag futbol]

No PK on that one. Toledo gets one right.
Have to agree. Looked like he held him back a bit but it was a clean tackle

[Ultra & Proud]

So Williams played FB? He looks a lot bigger than I remember. Bigger than Kantari.

[PopePouri]

So Williams played FB? He looks a lot bigger than I remember. Bigger than Kantari.

He's 6'2

[ag futbol]

Team shape looks awful. What are we trying to do out there?


Altidore... Dear god

[nonc]

WTF is Altidore doing? Has an open net if he stays with the ball and keeps playing.

[nonc]

Slow and bad the Altidore way.

[portu]

Jozy is such an oaf dumb and slow

[ronzilla]

Cmon jozy wake the fuck up

[khso11]

WTF is Altidore doing? Has an open net if he stays with the ball and keeps playing.

Don't think he's fully fit yet; mentally he doesn't want to pull anything again.

[Ultra & Proud]

WTF is Altidore doing? Has an open net if he stays with the ball and keeps playing.
Pretty sure he was getting the foul call so put his hands up. Surprised he didn't actually. Toledo gets two calls right. What next?

[aajking]

MSG doing a great commentating job surprisingly. Pretty unbiased so far.

[pdubs]

Bradley can't do that. He knows Toledo loves giving out cards.

[Oldtimer]

Note to_wowza, Fuad Ibrahim scored here the only time TFC won in New Jersey.

[QBall]

Altidore is not running. He's walking around and you can see him stop with hands on knees when play is away from him. He is not 100% and needs to come off.

[Ultra & Proud]

Cheyrou not handling the press very well so far.

[khso11]

Too much space for Sam, no good.

[Ultra & Proud]

Altidore is not running. He's walking around and you can see him stop with hands on knees when play is away from him. He is not 100% and needs to come off.
He's a CF. They all do that. I'd rather that than have him dropping to midfield.

[charlieocc]

Altidore is not running. He's walking around and you can see him stop with hands on knees when play is away from him. He is not 100% and needs to come off.
Agreed, Herculez has to make his debut today, hopefully at halftime

[pdubs]

Bendik does enough.

Then the goal lol.

[nonc]

Cheyrou shocking so far midfield is so disoriented.

[ag futbol]

Cheyrou not handling the press very well so far.
Nobody is playing off him .. But he's also holding the ball far too long

[molenshtain]

"Bendik sucks!"

[shwade]

Morgan and kantari ugh

[QBall]

Terrible defending. Terrible marking. 1-0 New Jersey.