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TFC/Everton
07-17-2015, 09:46 AM
http://www.mlsplayers.org/images/July%2015,%202015%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

Looks like Bradley didn't actually restructure his contract.

OgtheDim
07-17-2015, 10:02 AM
As I said a few weeks ago, we won't know how that Bradley contract was redone. That and this is this year's number.


Perquis number is a tad eyewatering. And no way Cheyrou is only getting paid that much.

Areathrasher
07-17-2015, 10:03 AM
John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/622057592823676928)
Some interesting #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) salary numbers: Perquis on $372,500, Luke Moore on $235,500, Robbie Findley on $255,500

We also know that Perquis and Cheyrou are being paid down by allocation.

OgtheDim
07-17-2015, 10:06 AM
From Steven Goff at the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2015/07/17/the-top-20-mls-player-salaries-in-2015/?postshare=4741437145045250)

MLS TOP 20 SALARIES
Kaka, Orlando City: $7.16 million

Sebastian Giovinco, Toronto FC: 7.11 million
Michael Bradley, Toronto FC: 6.5 million
Steven Gerrard, L.A. Galaxy: 6.33 million
Frank Lampard, New York City FC: 6 million
David Villa, New York City FC: 5.61 million
Jozy Altidore, Toronto FC: 4.75 million
Clint Dempsey, Seattle Sounders: 4.6 million
Robbie Keane, L.A. Galaxy: 4.5 million
Giovani Dos Santos, L.A. Galaxy: 4.1 million
Jermaine Jones, New England Revolution: 3.05 million
Obafemi Martins, Seattle Sounders: 3 million
Andrea Pirlo, New York City FC: 2.31 million
Shaun Maloney, Chicago Fire: 1.58 million
Omar Gonzalez, L.A. Galaxy: 1.45 million
Pedro Morales, Vancouver Whitecaps: 1.41 million
Gilberto, Toronto FC: 1.2 million (on loan to Vasco da Gama)
Federico Higuain, Columbus Crew: 1.17 million
Kevin Doyle, Colorado Rapids: 1.17 million
Innocent Emeghara, San Jose Earthquakes: 1.04 million

notthesun
07-17-2015, 10:07 AM
So, which one of these numbers should I care about again, base or guaranteed? Which one counts against the cap?

Richard
07-17-2015, 10:13 AM
So, which one of these numbers should I care about again, base or guaranteed? Which one counts against the cap?

Depends on what side of the bed Garber woke up on and if he had his favourite cereal or not, so probably neither of those.

Areathrasher
07-17-2015, 10:17 AM
I like that the release gave away Dallas signing Ezequiel Cirigliano

Oldtimer
07-17-2015, 10:18 AM
So, which one of these numbers should I care about again, base or guaranteed? Which one counts against the cap?

It's mostly based on the base. For some reason there are some small differences, not sure why.

Richard
07-17-2015, 10:19 AM
Findley at 255K needs to go, what a colossal waste of money.

Does anyone know how long Gilberto's contract is? He isn't exactly lighting it up and if we have to loan him again next year it wont be easy on that wage.

portu
07-17-2015, 10:24 AM
Ashtone is making over 100k I'm not sure how I feel about that. And honestly I have zero problem with Perquis' salary I'd much rather have him than Caldwell on that money

Areathrasher
07-17-2015, 10:26 AM
Findley at 255K needs to go, what a colossal waste of money.

Does anyone know how long Gilberto's contract is? He isn't exactly lighting it up and if we have to loan him again next year it wont be easy on that wage.

IIRC it was a 3 year deal, so one more year after this one.

notthesun
07-17-2015, 10:29 AM
These are decent numbers. With Caldwell off the books, Findley is the only one that's a massive money sink at the moment. We need to get rid of him as soon as possible.

Moore is overpaid for being a backup striker. I think he's a good backup, but that's too much money to pay a guy to come off the bench. We should do better in the off-season.

Zavaleta, Osorio, Morrow, Warner and Delgado are good value.

Also, Igboananike on 800k for the Fire... ouch.

OgtheDim
07-17-2015, 10:32 AM
I like that the release gave away Dallas signing Ezequiel Cirigliano

That is priceless.

portu
07-17-2015, 10:33 AM
We all know Findley's overpaid this is no shock, Bez really screwed the pooch on that one

Greg
07-17-2015, 10:36 AM
Sorted:



Club
Last
First
Pos
Base
Compensation


TOR
Giovinco
Sebastian
M
5,600,000
7,115,555.67


TOR
Bradley
Michael
M
6,000,000
6,500,000


TOR
Altidore
Jozy
F
4,750,000
4,750,000


TOR
Junior
Gilberto
F
1,145,000
1,205,000


TOR
Perquis
Damien
D
323,000
372,500


TOR
Findley
Robbie
F
225,000
255,500


TOR
Cheyrou
Benoit
M
249,999.96
249,999.96


TOR
Moore
Luke
F
215,000
235,500


TOR
Goncalves
Jackson
D
165,000
192,500


TOR
Morrow
Justin
D
170,000
179,562.5


TOR
Warner
Collen
M-F
129,937
157,437


TOR
Bendik
Joe
GK
150,000
157,375


TOR
Osorio
Jonathan
M
145,000
152,599.68


TOR
Creavalle
Warren
D
108,500
119,000


TOR
Zavaleta
Eriq
F
85,000
115,600


TOR
Morgan
Ashtone
D
100,000
112,000


TOR
Bloom
Mark
D
90,000
97,348.89


TOR
Chapman
Jay
M
70,000
88,500


TOR
Delgado
Marco
M
80,000
82,500


TOR
Bono
Alex
GK
60,000
80,200


TOR
Hamilton
Jordan
F
63,000
75,500


TOR
Konopka
Chris
GK
66,000
66,000


TOR
Dike
Bright
F
60,638
64388


TOR
Aparicio
Manuel
M
60,000
60,000


TOR
Hagglund
Nick
D
60,000
60,000


TOR
Lovitz
Daniel
M
60,000
60,000


TOR
Mannella
Chris
M
60,000
60,000


TOR
Roberts
Quillan
GK
60,000
60,000


TOR
Simonin
Clement
D
50,000.04
50,000.04

notthesun
07-17-2015, 10:36 AM
It's a great deal for Cheyrou as well if that's his actual number. Still unclear on whether these numbers are post-allocation/transfer fees or not, and if they are when it applies and when it doesn't. For example, Omar Gonzalez's full salary is listed even though we know he's being bought down with allocation. So are these numbers for Cheyrou and Perquis accurate then?

Areathrasher
07-17-2015, 10:54 AM
From a quick look at the cap hits, i think TFC are way over the 3.49m max budget.

MartinUtd
07-17-2015, 11:01 AM
Morgan is fine at 100k. He's worth more than $70k and we're splitting hairs a few grand for a decent domestic when there are other elephants in the room. Namely Bloom, Creavalle, and Findley. Jackson and Moore are over paid but at least they bring something to the team. Not sure what's going to happen with Dike or Gilberto (because Vasco ain't keeing him) since we're on the books for them and they have no place.

Ajax TFC
07-17-2015, 11:32 AM
It's a great deal for Cheyrou as well if that's his actual number. Still unclear on whether these numbers are post-allocation/transfer fees or not, and if they are when it applies and when it doesn't. For example, Omar Gonzalez's full salary is listed even though we know he's being bought down with allocation. So are these numbers for Cheyrou and Perquis accurate then?
The numbers reflect what they are getting paid, not their cap hit. Where it gets foggy is when it says Gilberto is getting paid 1 200 000. I guess it means we're paying his salary while he's on loan, but we have no idea if any of it counts against our cap hit. Obviously he doesn't count as a DP against us

Stress
07-17-2015, 11:37 AM
The only real questionable one for me is Findley. When you look at Moore, you have to understand they thought we'd be without Jozy for Gold Cup and other international dates so we really needed an above average back up forward.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Gilberto. You have to imagine they are looking to make a cut rate deal to get him out of here.

Red I
07-17-2015, 11:38 AM
From a quick look at the cap hits, i think TFC are way over the 3.49m max budget.

This wont factor in allocation

gdg_9
07-17-2015, 11:51 AM
Cheyrou is an absolute steal at that price.
Morrow's deal is pretty good as well.

Findley's is terrible, as is Creavalle.
Moore and Jackson are not great either.

Zavaleta is pretty overpaid, but I'm guessing that's still his Generation Adidas deal, so if that's the case no worries there.

Areathrasher
07-17-2015, 12:09 PM
This wont factor in allocation

I know.

The point is, that even with Caldwell off the books, they can't have much budget flexibility.

RE Gilberto
Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/622058587330711554)
I'm told Gilberto appears on TFC's MLSPU salary figures because TFC still owns him. Reds aren't paying him, though.

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/622058942923993088)
Gilberto listed in new salaries numbers (they still own him), but #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) isn't paying his salary.

Areathrasher
07-17-2015, 12:10 PM
Zavaletta and Crevalle aren't overpaid by any means.

85k & 109k budget charges for depth is perfectly adequate.

notthesun
07-17-2015, 12:29 PM
The numbers reflect what they are getting paid, not their cap hit.

Do they? Marco Pappa moved from the Eredivisie for 75k? And Espindola is making far more than 175k but there's transfer silliness in the way of his real number coming out (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2015/07/17/saborio-tops-d-c-uniteds-player-payroll/?postshare=621437147727428).

Way too much smoke and mirrors stuff with these numbers as usual. I long for the day where a team signs a player and tells me exactly how much money he's getting for exactly how long. Sigh.

pdubs
07-17-2015, 12:39 PM
My question is how can LA add Dos Santos for 4.1 million as a DP when Omar makes 1.2-1.45M. Even with the paydown from the Core DP rules, isn't he still making a DP wage aka over the league maximum? Or is the rule all fudged up? What is stopping us from keeping Gilberto or someone in that price hit because he makes similar wage to Omar?

gdg_9
07-17-2015, 12:44 PM
Zavaletta and Crevalle aren't overpaid by any means.

85k & 109k budget charges for depth is perfectly adequate.


Creavalle isn't necessarily overpaid for the place Vanney has slotted him into so far, but he is overpaid for the quality of play he has delivered, which has been terrible.


At $115.6k Zavaletta could be considered slightly overpaid, in MLS terms, for being a young guy who is only in his 3rd pro season and has yet to have a season where he's played in even half of his team's games.

Compare him to guys like Hagglund, Delgado, Bekker or Akindele who all make less.

But that's exactly what the Generation Adidas contracts were created for, and if it doesn't count against the cap, I don't have a problem with it.

OgtheDim
07-17-2015, 02:05 PM
Apparently if you look at payroll totals, we have the highest payroll in the league. by about $2 million, if you take out Gilberto.

Our 3 DP's are making more then every team's whole roster then NYCFC and LAG.

Giovinco is making more then the entire rosters for every team buy NYCFC, LAG, Orlando and Seattle

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-city-lions/on-the-pitch/os-orlando-city-soccer-2015-player-salaries-20150717-post.html

OgtheDim
07-17-2015, 03:15 PM
Little tidbits


There is a pool keeper still.

There are 3 players at the end of the list that apparently are still being paid because they were on Chivas.

ManUtd4ever
07-17-2015, 03:36 PM
Compared to past years, our salary structure is actually reasonable. Findley's salary is the only albatross that stands out in my opinion.

mowe
07-17-2015, 04:05 PM
From a quick look at the cap hits, i think TFC are way over the 3.49m max budget.

Adding up our top 20 salaries excluding homegrowns and GA I got $3.71M base and $3.92M guaranteed. If Morgan and Delgado also don't count against the cap we'd be down to $3.53M base and $3.73M guaranteed.

Ajax TFC
07-17-2015, 07:43 PM
Do they? Marco Pappa moved from the Eredivisie for 75k?
I don't find it all that hard to believe. On average, the Eredivisie pays higher salaries than MLS, but Pappa wasn't exactly an established Eredivisie star. He wasn't even an established starter. He played 12 matches, only one of which was a start. And most of the time he rarely made the 18. He also didn't move from the Eredivisie. He came back with his tail between his legs after Heerenveen cut him.


And Espindola is making far more than 175k but there's transfer silliness in the way of his real number coming out (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2015/07/17/saborio-tops-d-c-uniteds-player-payroll/?postshare=621437147727428).

Way too much smoke and mirrors stuff with these numbers as usual. I long for the day where a team signs a player and tells me exactly how much money he's getting for exactly how long. Sigh.
According to that article, any extra money he's making is from his old club as his percentage of the transfer fee that was paid for him. The number reported by the Union is what the league is paying him. Nothing to do with allocation money skewing the numbers.

SenorDingDong
07-18-2015, 09:46 AM
Cheyrou and Perquis are an absolute steal at that price. They are quality players.

Areathrasher
07-21-2015, 12:30 PM
Cool resource I stumbled across elsewhere that you can play around with for visuals

https://public.tableau.com/profile/publish/2015MLSBaseSalaryDashboard/2015MLSBaseSalaryDashboard#!/publish-confirm

notthesun
09-22-2015, 12:25 PM
New salaries as of Sep. 15 just posted by the players union: http://www.mlsplayers.org/images/September%2015%202015%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

Notable for TFC:

Gomez on 261k (guaranteed)
Kantari on 345k
Williams on 125k
Also Cheyrou's guaranteed compensation went up 10k compared to the last numbers, a bit odd

Pint
09-22-2015, 12:28 PM
Nearly 1.3 mil tied up in Moore, Findley, Gomez, Kantari and Perquis.

If it's me i retain 1 of the forwards and 1 defender and use the rest to fill holes.

For me it would be Gomez and Perquis that i would keep.

notthesun
09-22-2015, 01:05 PM
^ I was thinking the same.

As usual the numbers aren't necessarily iron-clad, but regardless we've got too many big contracts in there. Bez has work to do in the off-season. If it were me I would:

- Transfer Moore to England and find a cheaper replacement (fine player but he makes too much to be stuck behind Altidore & Giovinco)
- Get rid of Findley (hopefully he has an option we can decline to make this painless)
- Get rid of Kantari (we can stomach one expensive CB, not two, and Kantari has not done well)
- Trade/release Bendik
- Re-sign Morrow for 200-225k

That's just in terms of cleaning up our current contracts. The shopping list after that would be a starting GK, RB, CB (preferably a proven MLS guy) and probably a DM. Could use Gomez as the replacement in striker and sign a wide midfielder, and use TAM money on a DM. I would also sign Babouli to a first team contract to be Giovinco's backup.

ensco
09-22-2015, 01:06 PM
Maynor Figueroa is on 100K....

Look at that player's pedigree/background, and compare it to Perquis and Kantari.

Every year we do this, tie up $1M + in over the hill Euro players, while others teams bring in good veterans for far less.

Some are in their prime - look at Veron on $200K.

We are effing hopeless at this.

btw surprised that Valdez cost $1.2M, that is interesting. Wouldn't have thought he'd command that at this point in his career - he was a huge stud in the Bundesliga, but that was a while ago

Pint
09-22-2015, 01:40 PM
One wrinkle for us next season is that Gio and Jozy could both be missing for a good chunk of the summer (Gio at Euros and Jozy at copa). So could we really rely on Gomez as our top striker at that time with babouli or another depth MLS striker? It is really difficult in this league to be 4 deep at any position but without 4 quality strikers we could be in very rough spot next summer.

Richard
09-22-2015, 01:41 PM
Gomez on that contract is nuts. We don't even play him!

I don't think the Euro experiment should be judged just yet, Kantari and Perquis have rarely played together to get a sense if the partnership is going to work out or not, but I would not be supprised to see both let go at the end of the year.

notthesun
09-22-2015, 02:09 PM
Perquis' contract looks a lot better after his great performance against Colorado. If he can turn it around and put in that kind of performance consistently, I'm ok with that number.

But we can't have two huge money guys back there. Kantari doesn't look like he'll ever be good enough to justify the kind of money he's earning, and even if he was we have to cut costs somewhere.

We need to either bring in a solid MLS guy (think Jeff Larentowicz or David Horst) or a solid but cheap European player. Look at Red Bulls with Damien Perrinelle. A french 2nd division lifer who's good enough to come in and be dependable in their back line for only 132k. We should look to Serie B for a similar player.