Game 16: Late Night in Carson - LAG host TFC Saturday July 4 10:30pm RS360

[OgtheDim]

LA has been up and down all season. No Gerrard yet.

We are missing a lot more players then them. Unlikely to send Cheyrou that distance with him coming back still.


Get ready for a midfield of Warner, Delgago, Jackson and Chapman.


A tie would be a good result.


WOWZA STREAM EDIT PARTY (from ronzillas post):

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/322629_los_angeles_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|261995|322629|261995|64|1|en

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/322629_los_angeles_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|248487|322629|248487|64|1|en

http://firstrowi.eu/soccer/first-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc-row602bb8

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/la-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc-live-streaming

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/1/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/2/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/3/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-405bc0-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc

:party:

[PopePouri]

Yeah a draw would be incredible for us.

[Mateo1985]

They boys can pull it off but let's not jinx it lol

[Initial B]

It's always hard for eastern teams to play out west in evening games. Their bodies will be telling them it's bedtime. I see a 3-1 loss in the offering.

[MartinUtd]

So who plays in the middle with Warner? Cravalle is likely going to play RB. Is Chapman or Delgado capable of starting in that advanced mid role?
Does that mean it's Findley and Jackson on the wing with Moore and Giovinco up front? That actually sounds decent but it's the other compromises that scare me.

[Oldtimer]

I don't see TFC winning this one, but at least it's against a Western opponent.

Although one never knows, the parity in this league makes for some interesting results.

[OgtheDim]

Oh look, LAG has a cup game before this on Wedneday. Just like NYCFC the other week. Not sure this helps or not. SJE thwacked them on the weekend but LAG has a really good ability to ignore the past.

[jloome]

I don't see TFC winning this one, but at least it's against a Western opponent.

Although one never knows, the parity in this league makes for some interesting results.

A lot depends on Seba, of course. LA's defense is not exactly fleet of foot or rock solid.

[Fort York Redcoat]

It's always hard for eastern teams to play out west in evening games. Their bodies will be telling them it's bedtime. I see a 3-1 loss in the offering.

I hope you're as accurate as the last time you made that scoreline prediction.;):canada:

[Pint]

LA is also missing Gonzalez, Zardes and Penedo for gold cup duty

[PopePouri]

They still have Juninho, Lleget, Villarreal, Keane, and Ishizaki.

[OgtheDim]

And we still have Perquis, Giovinco, Morrow and Konopka's beard.

[Eleven]

LA has been up and down all season. No Gerrard yet.

We are missing a lot more players then them. Unlikely to send Cheyrou that distance with him coming back still.


Get ready for a midfield of Warner, Delgago, Jackson and Chapman.


A tie would be a good result.

Here comes StevieG http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2015/06/29/la-galaxy-announce-details-new-designated-player-steven-gerrard-unveiling

[trane]

Right now we can beat anybody in this league, and we need all the points we can get.

[Cashcleaner]

I wouldn't count TFC out for this match, though as Initial B said, night games on the West Coast can be really daunting for Eastern clubs. However, LA does have a US Open Cup match away at San Jose on Wednesday so that could be to our advantage. Also, LA is expected to experience below seasonal temperatures this week leading up to kick-off on Saturday. 26c and cloudy on Thursday, 26c and cloudy on Friday, and 27c with clouds (again) on Saturday expected. Trane is right, when this squad is running on all cylinders, we can compete with anyone in MLS - including LAG.

[Ajax TFC]

My best guess at the starting XI:

Konopka
Creavalle - Perquis - Zavaleta - Morrow
Warner
Delgado - - Jackson
Chapman
Giovinco - Findley

[Yohan]

^sub Moore for findley and I think you have the winner

[Ajax TFC]

^sub Moore for findley and I think you have the winner
Maybe, but Findley was the sub for Altidore in the last two games, and Moore didn't get off the bench. I think Vanney still prefers Findley over Moore when fit. I wouldn't be surprised if Findley started and Moore subbed him out, since Findley is also coming back from an injury IIRC

[reggie]

how long is Cheyrou out?

[OgtheDim]

how long is Cheyrou out?

Speculation by the journo's last week was he would have been ready to get some time in if we had a home game this weekend but not for the flight.

I'm thinking he starts in New York.

[Yohan]

Maybe, but Findley was the sub for Altidore in the last two games, and Moore didn't get off the bench. I think Vanney still prefers Findley over Moore when fit. I wouldn't be surprised if Findley started and Moore subbed him out, since Findley is also coming back from an injury IIRC
Moore produced when he played for Altidore. I think Findley and his speed is better as a sub, esp if he's not match fit yet

[Brooker]

Didn't we beat them away in 2008? I recall Dichio scoring a sweet goal and I think Cunningham?

If we could do it way back then, we can do it with this lineup.

I'd take a draw if offered right now, though. :)

[Jpexxx]

Won both matches vs LA in 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqu_X9RssVk

Goals from Dichio, JARROD SMITH, and Cunningham in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqPYryldU6E

Goals from Julius James and Cunningham in TO

[PopePouri]

My best guess at the starting XI:

Konopka
Creavalle - Perquis - Zavaleta - Morrow
Warner
Delgado - - Jackson
Chapman
Giovinco - Findley


This is most likely. I'd like to see the following:



Konopka
Creavalle - Perquis - Zavaleta - Morrow
Mannella
Warner - - Delgado
Chapman
Giovinco - Moore

1)I just think possession dies when Jackson is on the field, especially when combination play is needed in a diamond. There is also defensive solidarity on the right side with an erratic Creavalle and finally, this would a good game to ease Mannella into the set up. I know it's LAG and Robbie Keane but they're also a low-pressing team.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Won both matches vs LA in 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqu_X9RssVk

Goals from Dichio, JARROD SMITH, and Cunningham in LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqPYryldU6E

Goals from Julius James and Cunningham in TO

Right. Beckham was there. In a suit.

[Areathrasher]

Mannella will be with the Pan-Am team, no?

[OgtheDim]

Manella ain't ready to handle a DM start in LA vs. that offence. Needs to be brought in games first to get his feet wet. Warner can play the DM in the diamond.

[Yohan]

Bit of off topic but LA supposedly in talks with gio dos Santos with mls funding 7 mil euro transfer fee

[FRANKIE65]

My best guess at the starting XI:

Konopka
Creavalle - Perquis - Zavaleta - Morrow
Warner
Delgado - - Jackson
Chapman
Giovinco - Findley



Creavalle at RB still scares me. I'm warming up to him in mid, but, he tends to get caught up frequently when defending. Unfortunately Hagglund wasn't any better in that spot against Dallas. Whichever one plays the spot, Vanney is going to have to drill positional play into their heads.
I'll take a draw with this line up.

[Yohan]

We are terrible away at LA and once hack a Seba fest is allowed, we would be lucky to escape a point.

Frankly I expect Alan Gordon killer in injury time for the loss

[MartinUtd]

Hagglund had played well at RB a few times last season, so I wouldn't completely write him off at this point.

Maybe we'll something like this

------------Moore---Gio
--------------Delgado
Jackson-----Warner----Cravalle
Morrow--Zav--Perq--Hagglund
------------Konopka

Can Delgado do the attacking mid role or is he more suited as a wide player? If not could Giovinco go in as the no 10 behind Moore and Findley?

[ryan]

Bit of off topic but LA supposedly in talks with gio dos Santos with mls funding 7 mil euro transfer fee

Is this the other LA? Galaxy has 3 DPs. Or is it new rule time?

[FRANKIE65]

If not could Giovinco go in as the no 10 behind Moore and Findley?

Kind of like this idea. Let's see what Moore and Findley can do with Seba feeding them those beautiful passes. Really is time for both of them to step up.

[MightyDM]

Hagglund had played well at RB a few times last season, so I wouldn't completely write him off at this point.

Maybe we'll something like this

------------Moore---Gio
--------------Delgado
Jackson-----Warner----Cravalle
Morrow--Zav--Perq--Hagglund
------------Konopka

Can Delgado do the attacking mid role or is he more suited as a wide player? If not could Giovinco go in as the no 10 behind Moore and Findley?

I think Moore and Findlay gives us better quality on the pitch, with a diamond giovinco Jackson Delgado warner isn't too bad. offensively, at least

[MartinUtd]

Plus is Findley is gassed at the 70 minute mark, that means it's HAMMER TIME!

[bigredone]

Plus is Findley is gassed at the 70 minute mark, that means it's HAMMER TIME!

You never run out of hammer!

[Areathrasher]

Is this the other LA? Galaxy has 3 DPs. Or is it new rule time?

New rule time

[Bishop Blaize]

Hagglund had played well at RB a few times last season, so I wouldn't completely write him off at this point.

Maybe we'll something like this

------------Moore---Gio
--------------Delgado
Jackson-----Warner----Cravalle
Morrow--Zav--Perq--Hagglund
------------Konopka

Can Delgado do the attacking mid role or is he more suited as a wide player? If not could Giovinco go in as the no 10 behind Moore and Findley?

Not against that set up at all, just don't think I'd play it away to LA though, certainly not in early part of the game. Would defo be an option to finish game if we are losing in 2nd half.

[OgtheDim]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 6m6 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/615927925997613061) Vanney says Cheyrou will be available on Saturday. Dike can't play until July 8 when transfer window re-opens. #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash)

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 14m14 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/615925845723611136)
Vanney: "Benoit Cheyrou didn't train today (calf) but he's progressing well. He's a possibility for Saturday."

[Mateo1985]

I'd love to see:

------- Findley --- Moore ------
-----------Giovinco------------
-----Champan------Delgado-----
-----------Warner--------------
Morrow-Zavaleta-Perquis-Creavalle

I think it's the best line up we can come up with for the month of July.

[Slick]

Any word on Bloom's injury??? Is he even close to returning?

[ManUtd4ever]

I'd try Chapman in Bradley's role at the top of the diamond before moving Giovinco. Gio has been deadly in his current spot in the formation, and I wouldn't mess with that unless there were no alternatives.

[Mateo1985]

Apparently we are going to get Cheryou back for LA game so we are in good shape

[SenorDingDong]

Thank you. Cheyrou is solid.

Watching him live you can tell he's quality and calm on the ball - Something a lot of MLS players lack.

[ag futbol]

I'd try Chapman in Bradley's role at the top of the diamond before moving Giovinco. Gio has been deadly in his current spot in the formation, and I wouldn't mess with that unless there were no alternatives.
Yep, agreed. Good opportunity for some guys to step up.

[OgtheDim]

Apparently we are going to get Cheryou back for LA game so we are in good shape

Not sure about Cheyrou playing on Saturday. He didn't train today. And just because he's available doesn't mean the staff will think its a good idea to have him travel. And even if he does travel, we've seen this before where somebody travels but doesn't play (Bloom & Perrquis have both done that) I would love to have him play but if the rest means he is less likely to be injured moving forward, keep him here.

[Mateo1985]

I agree, no rush to get him in there for this game but we will see. I've seen that he is available on Facebook when someone was quoting Vanney's comment. But who knows... It's internet right? So it's gotta be true lol

[Ultra & Proud]

I think it's the best line up we can come up with for the month of July

------- Findley --- Moore ------
-----------Giovinco------------
-----Delgado-----Warner-----
-----------Cheyrou--------------
Morrow-Zavaleta-Perquis-Creavalle

I think this is the best one for the next couple weeks and then we will probably have Osorio and Morgan back for the last half of the month.

[OgtheDim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ7GZWOiRqI

[Mateo1985]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ7GZWOiRqI

I'm at work and can't hear what he's saying. Anything important we should know?

Cheers

[OgtheDim]

At work as well and could only listen to the first 5 minutes - mentioned Lovitz as a RB option as well as Crevalle or Hagglund (but only if he gets reps in that position this week).

[ronzilla]

If Cheyrou comes back, im confident we can take the full 3 points.

[barticusz]

Really excited for this game. Galaxy are always dangerous and they're just starting to find their groove this season (isn't this always the case for them). I think all they're missing is gonzalez which is a good thing. I hope Gio gets some good service and we take a point at least.

[portu]

Think we should try Cheyrou in the Bradley role with Delgado on the right, Chapman on the left and Warner anchoring

I also think that these games should be used to develop a plan B in the form of a 4-3-3 (Morrow, Damien, Zavaleta, Creavalle; Cheyrou, Warner, Delgado; Giovinco, Moore, Jackson)

[shwade]

If Cheyrou comes back, im confident we can take the full 3 points.

Not with Lovitz and Creavalle starting..

[Ajax TFC]

Not with Lovitz and Creavalle starting..
They wouldn't both start. It would be one or the other at RB

[Qman]

straight outta compton ... la has been average at home this season .... no longer a graveyard

[jloome]

straight outta compton ... la has been average at home this season .... no longer a graveyard

Sebastian Lleget's playing like he made it at West Ham. On the upside, Robbie Rogers' defending has been quite poor this year and their defense is generally inconsistent. If we can get Seba the ball in space and Moore works hard to tie up their central defenders we can poke a couple by them, I imagine.

[Yohan]

let's hope Giovinco breaks some Galaxy ankles


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNXJcaFWYQ0

[nick.mastro]

Game plan: Let's just pass the ball to Giovinco, let him hog it and pop a goal in and hope our defence holds up ;)

[Red CB Toronto]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI6ayo9WsAAs9bF.png

[BuSaPuNk]

Oh god Crevalle. Rather see Bloom get some minutes especially if he's ready to go.

[notthesun]

Oh god Crevalle. Rather see Bloom get some minutes especially if he's ready to go.

He's not. Apparently he re-injured himself. Still weeks away or something, sigh.

[OgtheDim]

Delgado takes his defensive responsibilities seriously but if we are going to have Warner on a side, I'd put him in front of Crevalle and have Delgado in front of Morrow. (Yes I know, wrong foot on Delgado but you gotta protect your weakest link.)

[OgtheDim]

Cheyrou is off to LA
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI68543WwAAOrXq.jpg

[ManUtd4ever]

Creavalle and Delgado need to flip positions in that projected lineup.

[SenorDingDong]

Grande Giovinco, he looks very happy.

[OgtheDim]

Alan Gordon is out for yellow card accumulation.

[Yohan]

Alan Gordon is out for yellow card accumulation.
hot damn. We might get a draw now

[OgtheDim]

For those wondering, the threshold for accumulation is 5. Crevalle and Hagglund are on 3. Warner, Konopka, Morgan & Perquis on 2. Surprisingly, Jackson has no cards this season.

[James17930]

That lineup looks ... interesting. Couldn't the guys have waited until after the game to go off for Gold Cup?

[Fort York Redcoat]

That lineup looks ... interesting. Couldn't the guys have waited until after the game to go off for Gold Cup?

Well the Yanks that could really make a difference would have to travel to Chicago but our boys are literally playing in the same stadium their first game so I guess its between them and Floro...

[MightyDM]

For those wondering, the threshold for accumulation is 5. Crevalle and Hagglund are on 3. Warner, Konopka, Morgan & Perquis on 2. Surprisingly, Jackson has no cards this season.

I think they should start Jackson in front of Creavalle to use Jacksons defensive toughness as a protection against Creavalle being exploited. Particularly if Ceyrou cannot start.

[T-boy]

Grande Giovinco, he looks very happy.

Living the North American dream!

[Derko]

I think they should start Jackson in front of Creavalle to use Jacksons defensive toughness as a protection against Creavalle being exploited. Particularly if Ceyrou cannot start.

I thought that very same thought!!

[Ultra & Proud]

Luke Moore not traveling with the team due to a death in the family. Looks like Findley to start & Hamilton to finally get minutes. Unless of course Vanney puts Jackson on up top as a sub and keeps Hamilton strapped to the bench.

[Joe Kool]

I want to see Hamilton with some minutes.

I thought Dike was coming back in July for some depth for the Gold Cup or maybe I was mistaken. Toronto FC site doesn't have him listed anymore on their roster but MLS site still has him listed with TFC.

[notthesun]

Hamilton is coming off a goal with TFCII. Give him 20 minutes.

[MartinUtd]

I'd wager Jackson comes off the bench for Warner; we'll need his intensity out wide. I really hope to see Hamilton as well though.

[barticusz]

Though I'm not sure Hamilton deserves the minutes (hasn't really done much since Wilmington), I do want to see him. I've inquired about whether or not he's travelled with the club so here's hoping he has. I can't see Findlay lasting the full 90.

[Nodoubtguy]

I want to see Hamilton with some minutes.

I thought Dike was coming back in July for some depth for the Gold Cup or maybe I was mistaken. Toronto FC site doesn't have him listed anymore on their roster but MLS site still has him listed with TFC.

I recall reading he can only play after July 8th, think the secondary transfer window opens then.

[OgtheDim]

Gerry Dobson ‏@SNGerryDobson (https://twitter.com/SNGerryDobson) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SNGerryDobson/status/617065795944722432) #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) training in Carson today. Luke Moore away on bereavement. Robbie Findley available. Jordan Hamilton here also.

[barticusz]

If there ever was an opportunity for Hamilton to get minutes, this game is it. Let's see how much Vanney rates him.

[Richard]

I can guarantee you that Hamilton will get zero minutes, its just the way things seem to be going for him.















Saying it to hope for the opposite.

[barticusz]

Maybe it'e because Hamilton hasn't done much, he needs to prove himself still.

In other news, looks like Cheyrou will be back. He's quoted as saying his position will be different for the next game. My guess is that he plays in Bradley's role, which IMO is perfect. His distribution is great and will be needed. He doesn't need to play exactly like Bradley with darting runs, because his passing will help create opportunities for our forwards.

[portu]

I desperately want to see Hamilton start and put in a good 60 minutes at the MLS level

[shwade]

Maybe it'e because Hamilton hasn't done much, he needs to prove himself still.

In other news, looks like Cheyrou will be back. He's quoted as saying his position will be different for the next game. My guess is that he plays in Bradley's role, which IMO is perfect. His distribution is great and will be needed. He doesn't need to play exactly like Bradley with darting runs, because his passing will help create opportunities for our forwards.

He isn't being given a chance. Findleys lazy ass has priority.

[OgtheDim]

Hamilton isn't exactly lighting it up at TFCII.

[Soccerpro]

This game will be Keane vs Giovinco. Most other good players are away on international duty on both teams.

[General Woolfe]

This one comes down to which LAG shows up on the night. They have been quite outstanding at times this season (The Philadelphia game for example) whilst also showing an uncharacteristic vulnerability at times (Orlando)

The Mr Hyde LA could easily take us to the cleaners and rack up a unpalatable scoreline, given how much the Gold Cup has weakened our line up . On the other hand if its the Dr Jekyll LA that shows up, we are more than capable of snatching three points even with a weakened side

[ronzilla]

Hamilton? You got to be kidding..

[TFC/Everton]

Hamilton isn't exactly lighting it up at TFCII.

There is a reason Vanney, Nelsen and Floro haven't really given him a shot.

[Greatest Ripoff]

There is a reason Vanney, Nelsen and Floro haven't really given him a shot.

Floro has been giving him a shot. He is also 19. I saw him play against England last fall and he was great.

[Fort York Redcoat]

This one comes down to which LAG shows up on the night. They have been quite outstanding at times this season (The Philadelphia game for example) whilst also showing an uncharacteristic vulnerability at times (Orlando)

The Mr Hyde LA could easily take us to the cleaners and rack up a unpalatable scoreline, given how much the Gold Cup has weakened our line up . On the other hand if its the Dr Jekyll LA that shows up, we are more than capable of snatching three points even with a weakened side

This. Watching highlights of their matches every week are a crap shoot. Absolute head shakers.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Creavalle and Delgado need to flip positions in that projected lineup.

Haha they will regardless what the lineup says. Creavalle can't help himself. I say that enjoying some of his runs but damn I wish they were more productive on the end.

[DOMIN8R]

I think that we will have a hard time getting points from this one. I hope that I'm wrong.

[Yohan]

Sounds like Chapman is getting a start. Let's see what this kid is made out of

[ronzilla]

Hope we have a decent referee for this game because LA are going to try to chop down Seba for the entire 90 minutes.

[TorontoFC6fan]

If i see Luke Moore in the starting line up im going to lose it!

[ronzilla]

Moore did not travel because of a family member passed away.

[MightyDM]

If i see Luke Moore in the starting line up im going to lose it!

We are lucky to have Luke Moore in the role he plays - serviceable MLS back up. He's done a decent job for us and of the options we have is clearly the best. You don't like his work rate, judging from previous posts, but he often tracks back, makes intelligent runs, and actually scores goals. We'll miss him v. LA

[shwade]

We are lucky to have Luke Moore in the role he plays - serviceable MLS back up. He's done a decent job for us and of the options we have is clearly the best. You don't like his work rate, judging from previous posts, but he often tracks back, makes intelligent runs, and actually scores goals. We'll miss him v. LA

Tracking back is something he rarely does but he finds himself in good positions sometimes and he has good things to offer as a backup.

[Redpunkfiddle]

I think that we will have a hard time getting points from this one. I hope that I'm wrong.

Everybody feel free to be right or wrong tonight at Joes for the viewing. It's been a while since we've had a 10:30pm start party!

[Fort York Redcoat]

If i see Luke Moore in the starting line up im going to lose it!

If the projection has any cred it will be Findley but I doubt either one will get a full game.

[Red CB Toronto]

Moore is not with the team.

[Graeme]

-------------------Konopka-----------------
--Creavalle--Perquis--Zavaleta--Morrow-
-------------------Warner------------------
--Delgado----------------------Chapman--
----------------Cheyrou--------------------
-----Findley------------Giovinco-----------

And Bloom, Jackson and Hamilton get some minutes...

[jloome]

-------------------Konopka-----------------
--Creavalle--Perquis--Zavaleta--Morrow-
-------------------Warner------------------
--Delgado----------------------Chapman--
----------------Cheyrou--------------------
-----Findley------------Giovinco-----------

And Bloom, Jackson and Hamilton get some minutes...

As long as we defend well and have Seba and Cheyrou on the field, we have a shot.

[OgtheDim]

That's certainly a pretty good roster considering we have 4 players away at the Gold Cup, have 2 others injured long term and 1 guy away on bereavement leave.

[DOMIN8R]

One of the reasons that I thought we would have a hard time getting points at StubHub was Arena's track record at home and my lack of faith in Vaney to adequately prepare. Then I stumbled upon this....As Galaxy coach Bruce Arena said Friday morning, “I haven’t spent two minutes on Toronto. I have enough problems of my own.”

Interesting

[Richard]

Well good thing Alan Gordan isn't playing because you just know he would have scored a pair and it would have been over.

[portu]

Tracking back is something he rarely does but he finds himself in good positions sometimes and he has good things to offer as a backup.
Rational thoughts on Luke Moore?! I didn't know that was possible!

[anto7]

I was just taking a look at our schedule for the remainder of the season and 10 of the last 14 games are at home......that's crazy.
Should be a huge advantage not having to do all that travelling toward the end of the season, hopefully we make the most of it.

[OgtheDim]

The Starting XI: Konopka; Morrow, Zavaleta, Perquis, Creavalle; Warner, Chapman, Cheyrou, Delgado; Giovinco, Findley.

[OgtheDim]

Bench: Bendik, Hagglund, Bloom, Jackson, Lovitz, Mannella, Hamilton.


Bloom and Manella......interesting.

[TFC07]

Bench: Bendik, Hagglund, Bloom, Jackson, Lovitz, Mannella, Hamilton.


Bloom and Manella......interesting.

What's more interesting to me is how far Hagglund has dropped on the roster. I remember last year everyone was raving how good Hagglund is going to become and how he's better than Henry.

[ronzilla]

Some streams

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/322629_los_angeles_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|261995|322629|261995|64|1|en

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/322629_los_angeles_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|248487|322629|248487|64|1|en

http://firstrowi.eu/soccer/first-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc-row602bb8

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/la-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc-live-streaming

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/1/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/2/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/3/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-405bc0-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc


:scarf: :drum: :flare:
(http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-405bc0-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc)

[OgtheDim]

What's more interesting to me is how far Hagglund has dropped on the roster. I remember last year everyone was raving how good Hagglund is going to become and how he's better than Henry.

He was, at points, in better form then Henry.

This season, not so much. He's where he has been since the Dallas game - 3rd on the current list and 4th once Caldwell comes back. Its what you want in a CD group - two veterans and two young dudes learning.

Zaveletta has played well. Hagglund will get his chances eventually.

[kwhisperer]

As long as we defend well and have Seba and Cheyrou on the field, we have a shot.

This team is built much better for dealing with absences.

[OgtheDim]

Apparently the game will be on Fan590 as well.

[bimmer]

What's more interesting to me is how far Hagglund has dropped on the roster. I remember last year everyone was raving how good Hagglund is going to become and how he's better than Henry.

What surprised me was how quickly he dropped in the depth chart for seemingly no reason? Yes, he got burned when he had to fill in at RB but I don't remember him being in poor form or making any huge blunders at CB. The only reason I can think of is the nepotism card but I won't go there since I have no idea what goes on in training and Zavaleta has actually done well so far. I do hope that we aren't giving up on the guy... he was immense for us for parts of last season and he has shown that he is a MLS calibre player.

[OgtheDim]

Link for Fan590 feed http://player.sportsnet590.ca/

Dan Dunleavy apparently

[TorontoFC6fan]

What surprised me was how quickly he dropped in the depth chart for seemingly no reason? Yes, he got burned when he had to fill in at RB but I don't remember him being in poor form or making any huge blunders at CB. The only reason I can think of is the nepotism card but I won't go there since I have no idea what goes on in training and Zavaleta has actually done well so far. I do hope that we aren't giving up on the guy... he was immense for us for parts of last season and he has shown that he is a MLS calibre player.Zavaleta make's his share of mistakes but he's better than hagglund. hagglund should not be playing at this level yet.. He's a USL level player right now and i think the club finally notice that. The first DC game is when i really notice hagglund was not ready for this level. vanny had to move him around to hide the fact that he was clueless back there. Some people are big on him but honestly i just don't see it right now.

[portu]

Sports net is two minutes into coverage and already makes a mistake giovincos 13 attempts were against Montreal not DC

[69Chevy396]

Some streams

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/322629_los_angeles_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|261995|322629|261995|64|1|en

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/322629_los_angeles_toronto/#webplayer_ifr|248487|322629|248487|64|1|en

http://firstrowi.eu/soccer/first-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc-row602bb8

http://cricfree.tv/watch/live/la-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc-live-streaming

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/1/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/2/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354741/3/watch-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc.html

http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-405bc0-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc


:scarf: :drum: :flare:
(http://www.atdhe.cc/soccer/stream-405bc0-los-angeles-galaxy-vs-toronto-fc)
Any ipad friendly stream available?

[OgtheDim]

Well that didn't take long. Crevalle with at least 2 idiot moves in the first 8 minutes.

[portu]

Fuck

[notthesun]

That's a dive, but we really messed up our marking leading to it.

[James17930]

Did Crevalle even touch him? Sure, he stuck his arm out a little bit, but I mean ... that's one of the weakest ones I've seen this season.

[QBall]

We had some great pressure from the opening whistle and with one move from Crevalle it all went to crap.

[AdamAM]

We found someone to replace all of Henry's 18 yard box blunders :facepalm:

[jloome]

Well that didn't take long. Crevalle with at least 2 idiot moves in the first 8 minutes.

Looked like Lledget dived to me. Maybe he clipped his heels.

Either way, that was on Perquis. Lledget has pulled that inside spin move multiple times in his first few games of the season, including on his first goal. Don't we watch tape?

[ronzilla]

What BS. That was no penalty.

[JavierMartini]

So perquis gets fined for simulation but that shits ok

[__wowza]

We had some great pressure from the opening whistle and with one move from Crevalle it all went to crap.


creavalle was covering for marking that perquis. i understand people aren't hot on the dude right now, but he never would've been forced into that situation if perquis was marking him like he was supposed to.

[dupont]

Did he even touch him? I couldn't see anything on the replay

[TorontoFC6fan]

The MLS really need better refs.. This guy took like 3 steps before diving lol

[AdamAM]

lmao nvm that's a pathetic dive...... dude straight threw his arms up like he was jumping into a pool. Creavalle still sucks at RB though

[Alonso]

Maybe a heel clip but it was a slight heel clip at worst.

Should not have been called by the ref IMO.

[JavierMartini]

Were not going to win playing against the refs. Clear onside break called back.

[jloome]

Anyone else watching MLS Live? American refs and commentators are both so fucking corrupt, I wish they'd each get viciously, violently mugged leaving the stadium.

[portu]

Can sports net do something right and show offside calls

[__wowza]

The MLS really need better refs.. This guy took like 3 steps before diving lol

it's funny watching it on US tv. you see a arm tap, not a tug, not a grab, not a pull, and you hear "it doesn't get more more clear than that, and TFC luckily avoids a red in the opening 10 minutes!"

[nonc]

This is what Vanney deserves for starting Creavalle and Findley ffs. Although, Penso is consistently a disgrace like many of his PRO counterparts.

[gracos]

Which contact was made, i never saw any contact, and i dont believe its because im a TFC fan, i just never saw any contact, other than falling down by Letget and the ref calling it

[notthesun]

We're giving up way too much. This might get ugly.

[Alonso]

Anyone else watching MLS Live? American refs and commentators are both so fucking corrupt, I wish they'd each get viciously, violently mugged leaving the stadium.


Yeah I'm watching it. What a joke.

These guys are the worst kind of homers.

[QBall]

I know he was offside but how did Findley miss that one?

[ronzilla]

Oh man how do you miss that tap in

[bimmer]

Which contact was made, i never saw any contact, and i dont believe its because im a TFC fan, i just never saw any contact, other than falling down by Letget and the ref calling it

Creavalle looks to have slightly clipped his heel but then he takes two steps and then does the swim dive and head flick.

[jloome]

The really galling shit is we've been clearly superior against NYC, DC and for most of this match. But Canadian teams can't buy a call (whereas our national identity is so squarely in the realm of being squeaky clean we're more likely to get bad calls from a Canadian ref overcompensating.). A few years go (2012, I think) we were at the point where over TFC's lifetime, its average foul ratio was 2-1 to the bad, which is crazy town.PRO has improved slightly the last two seasons but not by much. I genuinely believe there are several U.S. refs who cannot control their biases.

[James17930]

So obvious they don't know how to play with each other yet ... can't find each other with even short passes.

[AdamAM]

Does anybody else hate Cobi Jones? Total homer, always votes for LA in the MLS weekly game predictions and is SO annoying as a commentator.

[gracos]

Creavalle looks to have slightly clipped his heel but then he takes two steps and then does the swim dive and head flick.

Could the league then fairly fine LAG and Letget for simulation

[TorontoFC6fan]

Finley is so garbage! I think he might actually be worst than Moore. Bring in Jay Ham please.

[__wowza]

"they just need to hold onto the ball a bit more instead of giving it away so easily".

colour analysis done to perfection there!

[jloome]

Finley is so garbage! I think he might actually be worst than Moore. Bring in Jay Ham please.

He's had a rough season at a level well below this. I'm not sure Findley will ever get his confidence back but throwing J Hamilton in the deep end doens't seem the answer.

[nonc]

Finley is so garbage! I think he might actually be worst than Moore. Bring in Jay Ham please.

It's incredible that he is starting over Moore and Hamilton. Gio and Moore have actually shown decent chemistry. TFC may as well let Hamilton go to Europe.

[James17930]

Finley is so garbage! I think he might actually be worst than Moore. Bring in Jay Ham please.

But it also has to do with whatever our strategy is. So far it looks like they're trying to spring Gio with over-the-top or counter-attack type balls, so if they're going to do that, wouldn't Moore be better can he can hold up the ball better than Findlay?

If they're really trying to break on the ground, then Finlay might be faster (?)

[TorontoFC6fan]

Could the league then fairly fine LAG and Letget for simulation they won't.. The league worships The galaxy.

[ag futbol]

He's had a rough season at a level well below this. I'm not sure Findley will ever get his confidence back but throwing J Hamilton in the deep end doens't seem the answer.
Nothing he can do about that - TFC 2 is awful at providing service. He gets mugged by 3 guys in the middle and gets no support.

[Alonso]

The really galling shit is we've been clearly superior against NYC, DC and for most of this match. But Canadian teams can't buy a call (whereas our national identity is so squarely in the realm of being squeaky clean we're more likely to get bad calls from a Canadian ref overcompensating.). A few years go (2012, I think) we were at the point where over TFC's lifetime, its average foul ratio was 2-1 to the bad, which is crazy town.PRO has improved slightly the last two seasons but not by much. I genuinely believe there are several U.S. refs who cannot control their biases.


I also think the first five years the TFC fan base leveled a verbal abuse to the refs that left an "impression" so to speak.

"The referee's a wanker!"

"I'm blind I'm deaf, I want to be a ref!"

"... You're a bastard referee!"

among many personal attacks.

Lots of uncalled for verbal abuse shouldn't affect a ref's game calls, but they're only human and subconsciously I think that its had an effect.

[__wowza]

they won't.. The league worships The galaxy.

same way i feel whenever cascadia rolls around.

[ronzilla]

Cmon Seba blast one in buddy

[__wowza]

zavaleta just made keane look like an asshole.

[jloome]

I just noticed Stefan Vukovic is back with TFC II... I guess they had a difference of opinion with Rongen?

[James17930]

Oh, Gio, should've just blasted it.

[Alonso]

But it also has to do with whatever our strategy is. So far it looks like they're trying to spring Gio with over-the-top or counter-attack type balls, so if they're going to do that, wouldn't Moore be better can he can hold up the ball better than Findlay?

If they're really trying to break on the ground, then Finlay might be faster (?)


As has been mentioned in this thread several times, Moore is away on bereavement (family member died).

[__wowza]

cheyrou should've left that one.

and jesus.. i need to stop hearing the name GEE-O-VINCO.
it's like nails across a chalkboard.

[QBall]

Oh Giovinco, if you ever left I think I would burn down BMO.

[Couchy81]

And that is why Konopka is our starter now.

[James17930]

As has been mentioned in this thread several times, Moore is away on bereavement (family member died).

My apologies ... I haven't read the whole thread.

[Couchy81]

Vanney needs to sub Creavalle asap. Good Lord.

[nonc]

Lmao Creavalle.

[shwade]

Bloom please.

[jloome]

Creavalle is so a midfielder. Just looks awkward at right back.

[adam1001]

Creavalle has to be in the top 5 worst players in tfc history. What a bonehead

[OgtheDim]

Armen Bedakian ‏@ArmenBedakian (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian/status/617529452080287744) Please take Creavalle out of this game.

[Alonso]

My apologies ... I haven't read the whole thread.


No worries.

What time is it out in Taiwan right now?

[portu]

Take crwvalle off for Jackson and go 4-4-2 please

[TorontoFC6fan]

Creavalle and Finley are useless..

[jloome]

See, if Toronto makes that attempt at a cross like Rogers with a foot above his defender's shoulder, our guy would be whistled in a heartbeat.

[James17930]

No worries.

What time is it out in Taiwan right now?

12 hours ahead of Toronto ... so it's just after 11:00 am.

Very convenient time for me. The 5:00 o'clock games are brutal.

[TorontoFC6fan]

Take crwvalle off for Jackson and go 4-4-2 please
Sadly Jackson is worst.

[James17930]

Sadly Jackson is worst.

Very sadly.

[QBall]

Zavaleta seems to have Keane's number tonight.

[TorontoFC6fan]

Warner is starting to piss me off!!

[QBall]

Spoke too soon regarding Keane.

[morgank1986]

Crevalle played them all on. He's gotta get out of this game.

[James17930]

This is going predictably badly.

[OgtheDim]

And...Crevalle again.


Bloom is on the bench. Hope to see him in the second half.

[Couchy81]

Creavalle is single handedly losing this game for us. Vanney needs to wake the fck up and sub him.

[jloome]

Oh lord, that was just sad.

I think we're getting an example tonight of how much depth we actually have.

Who the fuck is marking up? Ridiculous.

[JavierMartini]

Crevalle costs us another game. Vanney still trying to play a midfielder on d. Vanney needs to go.

[__wowza]

perquis has been pissing me off, first goal was on him.
then.. standing there and throwing your hand up, goddamn.


this is gonna be one of those games.

[James17930]

Crevalle played them all on. He's gotta get out of this game.

Yeah, but Perquis just stood there and put his hand up instead of actually PLAYING.

I really fucking hate that. If I was a coach and my player did that he'd be on the bench.

[aajking]

Was that not offside?

[nonc]

It's almost like 9v11. Findley is just so bad...he has Gio breaking into wide open space but sends an awful back pass which eventually leads to goal.

[bimmer]

Creavalle and Perquis... SMDH

[bimmer]

Was that not offside?

Creavalle looks to have kept him onside.

[Blixa]

Creavalle you fucking muppett. Sigh...

[OgtheDim]

Crevalle costs us another game. Vanney still trying to play a midfielder on d. Vanney needs to go.



Only took 40 minutes for one of you to come out with that weak ass crud.


TFC needs a RB upgrade. Before the beginning of the season, a lot of people thought that. Me, I though Bloom would be good enough. Bloom gets injured,

Crevalle aint' a good enough RB.

[molenshtain]

Crevalle costs us another game. Vanney still trying to play a midfielder on d. Vanney needs to go.



This is great. High comedy, sir. No lowbrow shit tolerated here.

[TorontoFC6fan]

Vanny is an idiot! How is creavalle still in this game?

[__wowza]

so, how was everyones day?

[jloome]

This is great. High comedy, sir. No lowbrow shit tolerated here.

This damn hangnail is keeping me from working optimally. Quick, cut off my hand!

[gracos]

We still need to improve our squad, but since we are down, i would like to see more youth and take Giovinco off in the 60th, if we havent scored one by then

[nonc]

Sadly Jackson is worst.

Very sadly.

Creavalle is so much worse than Jackson.

[surtandoom]

Creavalle is a disaster but that goal wasn't his fault for keeping them onside. Maybe it was his fault for not staying his man but that was a great reversal by the Galaxy player.

[aajking]

Please MLSE don't sign an Italian mid this window before fixing the RB problem.

[notthesun]

Game update: Creavalle still not a RB.

This is going about as expected missing 4 starters playing one of the best home teams in the league fielding a full strength team. We have moments when Giovinco and Cheyrou pull something off but it's not nearly enough against these guys.

Forget this one and regroup for next week. Moore will be back which is frankly a huge upgrade on Findley (I would sub him out for Hamilton at half - at least Hamilton has a shot at taking down long balls). Hopefully Bloom can finally fucking play too.

[Blowing Bubbles]

fucking joke Creavalle sucks

[jloome]

THis game isn't out of reach if we press high throughout in the second half. LA's defence is not strong and they've basically just targeted creavalle all game.

We played this tactically wrong anyway; LA's biggest vulnerability this season has been the defending by its fullbacks. We should be pressing full field and taking our chances on the break. WE have some speed at the back.

[nonc]

Creavalle is a disaster but that goal wasn't his fault for keeping them onside. Maybe it was his fault for not staying his man but that was a great reversal by the Galaxy player.

But the details though, he is a disaster on the ball.

[Auzzy]

Guys it's obvious what the problem is here: Vanney has the wrong coloured shirt on tonight.

Vanney out!

[TorontoFC6fan]

Creavalle is so much worse than Jackson.
I don't know man. Jackson try's to be Messi. He just doesn't know how to keep things simple.

[jazzy]

Simply pathetic the fact that they can honestly start Finley at $200,000 and Crevalle who is worse than TFC 2, shows how disrespectful the powers to be are of us , the fans . Why not just start JR potentials because this is like a friendly where we can't even pass or hold a ball . Can't imagine what Giovinco is thinking . Any decent coach would pull Crevalle .

[OgtheDim]

LAG is not fielding a full strength team. They have as many players out for the Gold Cup as we do. The difference is our right side is out of its depth and LAG is protecting its right which its weakest.

[Couchy81]

Really tempted to catch some much needed sleep but I want to see how Vanney reacts in this situation. If Creavalle is still at RB and Finley is still up front this is going to be like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

[TorontoFC6fan]

Creavalle , Findley and Warner have all been doo doo.

[jazzy]

Yeah, but Perquis just stood there and put his hand up instead of actually PLAYING.

I really fucking hate that. If I was a coach and my player did that he'd be on the bench.

uh Crevalle was supposed to hold up , then LA was offside he put all 3 in play . Perquis is used defenders who actually understand the game.

[portu]

Findlay and Creavalle are just completely unacceptable for this level in their current positions

hamilton and Jackson need to come on at the half if we want any shot at this game

[portu]

And now some scouser is on my television this just gets worse and worse

[ronzilla]

Perquis was at fault for the second goal.

Take off Crevalle and we might have a game in the 2nd half.

[TomLawrence]

Sign me up, I'm a better RB than Creavalle.

[portu]

Breaking news: Tim Bez is coming out of retirement to start at RB for TFC

[portu]

Hes still on the fucking firld

[ronzilla]

Also Gio needs more service. He's had 1 touch in the last 25 minutes.

[ag futbol]

Calling for management changes over this is a joke. That being said Bez / Vanney are at fault for this.

It's very clear Creavalle isn't a good RB under any circumstances. Playing him on this wide pitch at stub hub is just like playing a man down. He's a huge liability.

[jazzy]

And now some scouser is on my television this just gets worse and worse

Brilliant ;)

[Soccerpro]

I think Creavalle sucks, but Perquis was responsible for the 2nd goal. It was his man who scores when he stopped playing after trying to play the offside trap by himself.

Perquis has not been the big time CB TFC hoped for when they brought him in.

[Couchy81]

Down two on the road and Vanneys tactical adjustment at halftime is just what I expected.

[DOMIN8R]

The Galaxy are a very tough team to beat at home. Their pitch is different, their team is hyper confident and their coach is world class, IMO. The coaching will make all the difference in the second half. If TFC doesn't make suitable adjustments in the start of the second half, we can go to bed.

[notthesun]

We're a special kind of awful on corner kicks.

[OgtheDim]

Delgado has to do better there.

[TorontoFC6fan]

Lol at vanney not making any changes.. How the hell did Findley get cap for the U.S ? The guy is complete garbage.

[portu]

Giovinco is fighting for balls?!?

[habstfc]

So I get home and the halftime score is 2-0. I immediately think there was probably a bullshit penalty against us and WOW I'm a regular Kreskin.

[James17930]

uh Crevalle was supposed to hold up , then LA was offside he put all 3 in play . Perquis is used defenders who actually understand the game.

For argument's sake:

Cobi Jones made the comment that when you're still pinned down in your own 18 and you don't have clear possession, you shouldn't be stepping up – you should be staying with your man. He faulted the other three defenders for trying to step up and then Perquis for stopping playing.

[Soccerpro]

Just put Jordan Hamilton on already...

[ag futbol]

If that was us it probably would have been a straight red. Terrible tackle.

[dupont]

Man, Gargan looks rough

[jloome]

Giovinco is fighting for balls?!?

Cobi Jones is fucking retarded. Cheyrou gets a high cleet in the shin. "That's just a good, hard tackle. It's a contact sport." No it's not, you mediocre midget.

[Alonso]

Cobi Jones is fucking retarded. Cheyrou gets a high cleet in the shin. "That's just a good, hard tackle. It's a contact sport." No it's not, you mediocre midget.


LOL!!!! g:D

[bimmer]

Cobi Jones is pissing me off.. "Good hard tackle, this is a contact sport" on that studs up tackle but calls that joke of a penalty a "great call."

[__wowza]

chapman dances through the midfield like fred astaire!

[ag futbol]

These fucking guys standing over the ball on every play. Tell them to fuck off and go to the pocket, they're clearly trying to slow up the play.

[ag futbol]

WTF was that.

[portu]

Total. And. Absolute. Capitulation.

[OgtheDim]

Worst back pass i've seen in years in this league.

[Alonso]

well that should about do it.