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jloome
06-17-2015, 12:13 AM
Ref lost control. Seattle ran out of subs and was down to 10, then lost three men to red cards, includign Dempsey, who lost his shit and went afte rthe ref and had to be held back. Portland were playing 11 vs 7 for most ofthe second half of extra time. Played at a small Stadium outside the city, 4,100 there, fans started pelting Portland fans with debris. LOL.

Ref needed a police escort off the pitch.

Ivy
06-17-2015, 12:32 AM
Lmao Dempsey took the refs book and ripped it in half. Lol what a clown.

GuelphStorm2007
06-17-2015, 01:15 AM
Looks good on Dempsey I am sure knowing the Americans nothing will happen

notthesun
06-17-2015, 02:33 AM
Dempsey is such a little shit. I don't care how many goals he creates for Seattle, I would never want a guy with his attitude on my team and I'm glad we didn't seriously go after him when he was available.

Oldtimer
06-17-2015, 04:11 AM
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sounders/sounders-ousted-from-us-open-cup-by-portland-3-1/

Red CB Toronto
06-17-2015, 07:55 AM
Dempsey is such a little shit. I don't care how many goals he creates for Seattle, I would never want a guy with his attitude on my team and I'm glad we didn't seriously go after him when he was available.

TL had the money on the table and was one of two teams, Seattle being the other to be there right to the end. TL at the end agreed that it was in the best interst of the MLS to have Deuce playing for a team in the US.

Areathrasher
06-17-2015, 08:04 AM
That could be a three month ban for Dempsey if the USSF plays it by the book

Sam Borden ‏@SamBorden (https://twitter.com/SamBorden) 9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SamBorden/status/611154648314028032)
Just watched video of Clint Dempsey ejection in last night's game; by definition, that's referee assault, which carries a min. 3 month ban.

Sam Borden ‏@SamBorden (https://twitter.com/SamBorden) 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SamBorden/status/611154972177231872)
Why is ripping a referee's card assault? From @ussoccer (https://twitter.com/ussoccer)'s own laws, assault inc. "damaging the referee’s uniform or personal property"

Detroit_TFC
06-17-2015, 08:06 AM
Absolutely nuts. Clear case of referee assault. People who know these things (Sam Borden - see post above) say that per USSF rules that's a 3 month ban.

I'm USMNT all the way but anybody who defends that behavior needs to GTFO.

Chevy
06-17-2015, 08:12 AM
Video below. Dempsey's hissy fit is around 2:29 or so.

http://www.oregonlive.com/timbers/index.ssf/2015/06/portland_timbers_play_seattle.html

Red I
06-17-2015, 08:23 AM
That could be a three month ban for Dempsey if the USSF plays it by the book

Sam Borden ‏@SamBorden (https://twitter.com/SamBorden)9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SamBorden/status/611154648314028032)
Just watched video of Clint Dempsey ejection in last night's game; by definition, that's referee assault, which carries a min. 3 month ban.

Sam Borden ‏@SamBorden (https://twitter.com/SamBorden)7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SamBorden/status/611154972177231872)
Why is ripping a referee's card assault? From @ussoccer (https://twitter.com/ussoccer)'s own laws, assault inc. "damaging the referee’s uniform or personal property"

It's their own laws, and like MLS they will interpret it as they see fit

(In other words, he will get like a 1 or 2 game ban, tops)

ManUtd4ever
06-17-2015, 08:43 AM
Would the disciplinary action translate to MLS matches as well?

Voodooman
06-17-2015, 08:47 AM
Since it is a USOC game and not MLS, I don't see how the MLS can suspend him.

Not sure what they can do besides suspend for next year's cup.

Detroit_TFC
06-17-2015, 09:16 AM
Main question is if a violent conduct suspension established during USOC (which a USSF competition) would apply to Gold Cup appearances.

ensco
06-17-2015, 09:28 AM
He should definitely be banned until mid September.

Cas87
06-17-2015, 09:30 AM
I feel as though the punishment may be the full US Open Cup next year, and however many MLS games until he is to be off to the US training camp for the Gold Cup.

Its punishment but also gives him time to rest for the Gold Cup.

my 2 cents.

ryan
06-17-2015, 09:49 AM
USSF won't do shit about their poster boy.

T-boy
06-17-2015, 09:49 AM
I think its a bit of a stretch to call it an "assault". He just snatched the referees books from his hand and then ripped it in half, it was quite funny really! Call it robbery or theft, but not an assault.

Cashcleaner
06-17-2015, 09:50 AM
Video below. Dempsey's hissy fit is around 2:29 or so.

http://www.oregonlive.com/timbers/index.ssf/2015/06/portland_timbers_play_seattle.html

Thanks for the link. Just went ahead and watched the whole game. CRAZINESS!

OgtheDim
06-17-2015, 10:10 AM
To me, this is as bad as Suarez biting. Not technically an assault on the body but its intimidation of refs and should get him a long ban from all comps.

If this happened in Europe, he'd be pilloried and get that lengthy ban.

Here, he's likely to get a ban from the US Cup, play in MLS next weekend and captain the USMNT next month.

All the while Seattle supporters will say he is a great guy .....blah...blah...blah.


Douche indeed.

C.Ronaldo
06-17-2015, 10:21 AM
whats up with the shorts pulling up, tucknig untucking? that was realy weird lol

I liek how portland players are even trying to cool him down.

Detroit_TFC
06-17-2015, 10:23 AM
Assault in the context of USSF policy, not criminal assault:

Policy 531-9 Misconduct Toward Game Officials
...
Section 3 (3)(b) Assault includes, but is not limited to the following acts committed upon a referee: hitting, kicking, punching, choking, spitting on, grabbing or bodily running into a referee; head butting; the act of kicking or throwing any object at a referee that could inflict injury; damaging the referee’s uniform or personal property, i.e. car, equipment, etc.

mistercorporate
06-17-2015, 10:29 AM
Probably a sign of a strong football culture that you get such an emotional and potentially violent match lol...

Police escorting referees home? All we need now is spectators throwing bags of piss at visiting teams and laser pointers at goalies...wow...

Bishop Blaize
06-17-2015, 10:36 AM
To me, this is as bad as Suarez biting. Not technically an assault on the body but its intimidation of refs and should get him a long ban from all comps.

If this happened in Europe, he'd be pilloried and get that lengthy ban.

Here, he's likely to get a ban from the US Cup, play in MLS next weekend and captain the USMNT next month.

All the while Seattle supporters will say he is a great guy .....blah...blah...blah.


Douche indeed.


It's prob more closer to what Di Canio did when playing in the UK, he pushed the ref over whilst playing for Sheffield Wednesday. Can't remember his ban, but I'm sure it was around 10 game mark.

OgtheDim
06-17-2015, 10:39 AM
It's prob more closer to what Di Canio did when playing in the UK, he pushed the ref over whilst playing for Sheffield Wednesday. Can't remember his ban, but I'm sure it was around 10 game mark.


11 matches - 1/4 of the season. MLS ban of 9 games would be appropriate but it ain't going to happen.

Phil
06-17-2015, 10:39 AM
Probably a sign of a strong football culture that you get such an emotional and potentially violent match lol...

Police escorting referees home? All we need now is spectators throwing bags of piss at visiting teams and laser pointers at goalies...wow...

There was a game here 9aginst Houston I think) where Toledo had to get a police escort off the field after awarding a stoppage time penalty that sunk us. He stayed in the referee room for 3 hours, fearful of the backlash.

As for Dempsey not coming to Toronto, that was on Kevin Payne. The negotiation for Clint happened before TL was ever really here and we passed after some interest. It highlights the philosophical and vision differences between the two guys very well. I am sure with Clint's production he would be celebrated here despite issues like this. Its going to be interesting to see the punishment for sure. A shame he lost his head like that.

Detroit_TFC
06-17-2015, 10:41 AM
Clearly the match was a shit show by that point and maybe the reffing was making everyone crazy but there is a boundary of conduct. Doesn't serve anyone's interest to blur that line.

MartinUtd
06-17-2015, 10:51 AM
Dempsey continues to act like he's too good for the North American game, is anyone surprised? American fans are eating this shit up as well... what a disgrace.

Ultra & Proud
06-17-2015, 11:00 AM
USSF won't do shit about their poster boy.
He'll get similar punishment to what their poster girl Hope Solo got.

Nothing but a few words expressing disappointment and probably a B.S apology from Dempsey.

OgtheDim
06-17-2015, 11:16 AM
I wonder if there would be real punishment if it was a PRO referee.

TFC_Allez
06-17-2015, 11:50 AM
I wonder how many times other players have dreamed of doing what Dempsey did lol. That was the most amazing hissy fit in north american soccer history.

Bishop Blaize
06-17-2015, 11:56 AM
Dempsey continues to act like he's too good for the North American game, is anyone surprised? American fans are eating this shit up as well... what a disgrace.

one of the first things I noticed when he came over to MlS was the way he suddenly thought he was tough, was very noticable when we played them in opener last season.
I watched this man play in the PL many times and seen him get booted by various tough defenders for 90 mins and he didn't say boo to them, now he's running around like Gattuso's and Roy Keane's lovechild lol.
I'd say he'll prob get 4-6 games.

Brooker
06-17-2015, 11:56 AM
Now this kind of crap actually does make our league look mickey mouse. Well done, Dempsey. Idiot.

Areathrasher
06-17-2015, 12:01 PM
Here's your precedent....

Blanco got a 6 game Open Cup ban for headbutting a referee in 2008

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHtwY7SWcAAKqLC.png

spe18
06-17-2015, 12:30 PM
Since it is a USOC game and not MLS, I don't see how the MLS can suspend him.

Not sure what they can do besides suspend for next year's cup.

IIRC, Dero once got suspended by MLS for an incident that occured in a pre-season tournament.

Also, MLS is technically run under the organization of the USSF, so perhaps the two can be linked in that regard.

OgtheDim
06-17-2015, 12:35 PM
You gotta know that if this was some dude playing for a USL team, he'd be banned from league games as well.

notthesun
06-17-2015, 01:06 PM
If Hope Solo is currently starting for a USSF team in a World Cup, I can't fathom them actually sticking to the letter of the law with Dempsey. Their best attacking threat missing the Gold Cup over this? I would be absolutely shocked if he gets suspended, surely they will try to weasel their way out of this too.

OgtheDim
06-17-2015, 01:17 PM
Hate to say it but domestic assault does not mean as much to the USSF as does assaulting refs by ripping up their cards. Which is why there will be a fine and a ban (but only from USOC games).

And I don't think he's their best attacking threat anymore.

If he's still their captain, I lose what little respect for Klinssman I still have.

MightyDM
06-17-2015, 01:50 PM
separately from the
Dempsey stuff, Sigi was mad about the second goal because the player was offside and the ball was deflected by the defender. This is offside in the Premier League and in the Championship in the UK, but last year we lost a goal on a similar play deflected off a head. PRO said afterwards that it was a new interpretation from FIFA but that is clearly wrong. If they are interpreting the rules this way, we should take advantage of it and have strikers cherry pick and just hammer the ball right at defenders, trying for a deflection to a wide open man. Something to watch.

ag futbol
06-17-2015, 03:03 PM
Here's your precedent....

Blanco got a 6 game Open Cup ban for headbutting a referee in 2008

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHtwY7SWcAAKqLC.png
Lol, good call.

Ultra & Proud
06-17-2015, 04:15 PM
Lost in all this was where was that match played? The academy? Everything about it looked awful.

Richard
06-17-2015, 04:17 PM
I am glad that in our TFC history we never had such a grade a c*** on our team.

OgtheDim
06-17-2015, 04:28 PM
Lost in all this was where was that match played? The academy? Everything about it looked awful.

Apparently the Sounders have this thing about playing USOC games there. A lot of wins in a row...etc. etc.

Qman
06-17-2015, 04:39 PM
Main question is if a violent conduct suspension established during USOC (which a USSF competition) would apply to Gold Cup appearances.

Maybe he thinks the gold cup is a waste his time.
This way he has an excuse for not playing for Klinsmann and not going in the doghouse like donavan did.

second point: what the hell is he doing playing us open cup games ... where are the bench players/reserves

MartinUtd
06-17-2015, 05:23 PM
Maybe he thinks the gold cup is a waste his time.
This way he has an excuse for not playing for Klinsmann and not going in the doghouse like donavan did.

second point: what the hell is he doing playing us open cup games ... where are the bench players/reserves

They brought him on in the 71st minute when they were chasing the game.

Red4ever
06-17-2015, 11:34 PM
not defending dempsy but this shouldnt be classified as assault. He should get the red plus a game. 3 max.

and the refs performance should be assessed.

Ivy
06-18-2015, 02:52 AM
not defending dempsy but this shouldnt be classified as assault. He should get the red plus a game. 3 max.

and the refs performance should be assessed.
His actions can be argued to also be assault by the criminal code. If a citizen was to grab a police officers book, angrily throw it, then rip it up, they would get charged with assault. Remember, there doesn't have to be physical contact for a person to be guilt of assault.

ensco
06-18-2015, 05:53 AM
I hadn't realized the level of hate for Dempsey around here. I had no idea. Fantastic!

I don't feel it. He's just an ornery cuss. If he were British, he'd be loved for it.

I kind of like the book stunt. It's amusing.

I'd give him a game.

Anything that moves the needle on highlighting the hose job we get in MLS, because teams won't pay for more than amateur refs, is fine by me.

Carter
06-18-2015, 09:42 AM
His actions can be argued to also be assault by the criminal code. If a citizen was to grab a police officers book, angrily throw it, then rip it up, they would get charged with assault. Remember, there doesn't have to be physical contact for a person to be guilt of assault.

Doesn't even need to be a Police officer.. If it was a Peace officer, it would be a different charge, it would be Section 270 of the criminal code.
270. (1) Every one commits an offence who
(a) assaults a public officer or peace officer engaged in the execution of his duty or a person acting in aid of such an officer;
(b) assaults a person with intent to resist or prevent the lawful arrest or detention of himself or another person; or
(c) assaults a person
(i) who is engaged in the lawful execution of a process against lands or goods or in making a lawful distress or seizure, or
(ii) with intent to rescue anything taken under lawful process, distress or seizure.


Great ole Section 265 of the criminal code....



265. (1) A person commits an assault when


(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

(b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or

(c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs.

Red4ever
06-18-2015, 09:57 AM
Well it's neither one of those things and a headbutt doesnt serve as precedent. It's a another person, non government. I'm thinking we can get him on theft under 5000 though with a good lawyer.

jloome
06-18-2015, 10:45 AM
I hadn't realized the level of hate for Dempsey around here. I had no idea. Fantastic!

I don't feel it. He's just an ornery cuss. If he were British, he'd be loved for it.

I kind of like the book stunt. It's amusing.

I'd give him a game.

Anything that moves the needle on highlighting the hose job we get in MLS, because teams won't pay for more than amateur refs, is fine by me.

He's a straight-up hardcore Texan, which you either love, or are irritated as shit about. He's from anywhere but Austin, if you know what I mean.

Red CB Toronto
06-18-2015, 10:51 AM
He will not be suspended for anything else other than the US Open. Maybe a 1-2 ban.

T-boy
06-18-2015, 10:52 AM
I was trying to think of a similar incident - the only one I can think of was when one of the players in the U20 World Cup at BMO snatched the red card out of the ref's hand after the ref showed it to his teammate, and then the guy got shown the red himself. I don't know if there was a further ban though.

Di Maria grabbed hold of the ref's shirt playing for Man Utd last season and only got a 1 match ban. I honestly don't see Dempsey getting more than just a normal ban for violent conduct (3 games?).

Red4ever
06-18-2015, 10:53 AM
"Radford's professional experience as a lead referee consisted of eight NASL matches and two more in the U.S. Open Cup over three seasons before Tuesday's game. In 11 matches, he's handed out 65 yellow cards and 13 reds."

Sounder's blog. Still, if accurate, wow.

He got bullied into the first sending off and got the second seconding off totally wrong. Ironically, Dempsey's may have been the only one he got right, but even then, he gave him and yellow then a red, which it should have been a straight red. And on top of that, he let them start the game with dark green and black jerseys before making them change at half.

No matter how much time Dempsey gets, it's gonna be even longer before this ref gets any meaningful time on the pitch again. Gantar-esque.

Auzzy
06-18-2015, 11:02 AM
not defending dempsy but this shouldnt be classified as assault. He should get the red plus a game. 3 max.

and the refs performance should be assessed.

Again, the criminal & legal definitions of assault don't matter here. No police force or judge is going to get involved with this farce. What matters is the USSF definition, and under that it's clearly assault. No idea how heavily they will punish him though, and the ref's performance may well play a role in deciding that.

Again here's the definition under USSF policy:




Policy 531-9 Misconduct Toward Game Officials
...
Section 3 (3)(b) Assault includes, but is not limited to the following acts committed upon a referee: hitting, kicking, punching, choking, spitting on, grabbing or bodily running into a referee; head butting; the act of kicking or throwing any object at a referee that could inflict injury; damaging the referee’s uniform or personal property, i.e. car, equipment, etc.

Red4ever
06-18-2015, 11:14 AM
Again, the criminal & legal definitions of assault don't matter here. No police force or judge is going to get involved with this farce. What matters is the USSF definition, and under that it's clearly assault. No idea how heavily they will punish him though, and the ref's performance may well play a role in deciding that.

Again here's the definition under USSF policy:

Yeah, I wasn't debating the rule, (poor wording on my part perhaps) I was saying that Kicking and hitting and punching shouldn't earn the same punishment as the phrase you highlighted for this exact reason. Even taking a baseball bat to a refs car is a world away from tearing up a piece of paper with notes on it.

C.Ronaldo
06-18-2015, 02:15 PM
Yeah, I wasn't debating the rule, (poor wording on my part perhaps) I was saying that Kicking and hitting and punching shouldn't earn the same punishment as the phrase you highlighted for this exact reason. Even taking a baseball bat to a refs car is a world away from tearing up a piece of paper with notes on it.

its really league paper/property.

Not the refs personal property. They could argue it that way

TorontoGooner
06-18-2015, 02:40 PM
Great stuff. We need more shithousing like this in games

shorty
06-19-2015, 10:43 AM
He's a straight-up hardcore Texan, which you either love, or are irritated as shit about. He's from anywhere but Austin, if you know what I mean.

That's hilarious, and I do.

Detroit_TFC
06-19-2015, 01:58 PM
Per MLS (MLS asserted jurisdiction) - three game ban, and a fine.

I'm sure Twitter is going to asplode but I would have been surprised by much beyond this (rightly or wrongly).

Red4ever
06-19-2015, 02:05 PM
Martins out 3-6 weeks as well. Injury of course.

OgtheDim
06-19-2015, 02:12 PM
Misses a week of games as they also have 3 this week. Includes the Portland return, which is probably good.

Next question is will he play in the Gold Cup? And, if so, would he still be captain.

Red CB Toronto
06-19-2015, 02:18 PM
He will start at the Gold Cup, JK is not stupid enough to mess around with anything. I think the issue is, the USSF would like only have jurisdiction to deal with domestic players, thus as someone what would have happened if say Robbie Keane did the same thing how much outside of MLS play could they have done.

vortexdr
06-19-2015, 03:04 PM
Dempsey is such a little shit. I don't care how many goals he creates for Seattle, I would never want a guy with his attitude on my team and I'm glad we didn't seriously go after him when he was available.

Another way overrated American that could never make i above a relegation threatened team in Europe..>Why anyone would want him is beyond me.

OgtheDim
06-19-2015, 03:10 PM
He scores goals in MLS. And sets them up as well. I wouldn't want him on a team here though for the obvious personality reasons. He's a bad fit for this city. Seattle love him as they don't care about anything but being there in a big crowd and winning. They don't need to win with style, just win.

We, on the other hand, not only want to win, we don't want to be douches while we do so.

vortexdr
06-19-2015, 03:12 PM
Would never happen in a real football country...The dude would get a ban similar to Suarez....Low life American with no talent that couldn't make it in a real league...No surprises
here.

At least Gio accomplished something and at one stage was hailed as a major talent....Dempsey...is a nobody that only played for relegation teams....

As far as I'm concerned there isn't a lot of designated players that were worth their money and status. Henry, Beckham are the first to come to mind....And now finally followed by a player in his prime in Giovinco.

Only other recent one pehaps Kaka but he is so injury prone that with the terrible tackling in this league i cant ever see him playing a lot of games. Then again with all the rest they get here...its possible....

OgtheDim
06-19-2015, 03:16 PM
Would never happen in a real football culture...The dude would get a ban similar to Suarez....Low life American with no talent that couldn'tmake it in a real league...No surprises here.

Ok, wait a second.


North American football/soccer culture has been around for over 40 years. Its real. Its just young, and not what it is in other places.

Secondly,

its not like the decisions of mandarins in Europe and other places haven't been torqued to help their NT's.

Thirdly,

Its not the supporter's fault that MLS doesn't take stuff like this seriously.

Red4ever
06-19-2015, 03:19 PM
Also a racist who bites people is not even in the same ball park as an immature guy ripping up a refs paper.

vortexdr
06-19-2015, 03:25 PM
You guys are missing the point. In Europe if a player has a hissy fit as i've seen in the above video he would be watching from the stands for a minimum of 5+ games. Perhaps not close to Suarez 6 months but still he would get far more than the slap on the hand which he will most likely get from his American compatriots

Red4ever
06-19-2015, 03:39 PM
You guys are missing the point. In Europe if a player has a hissy fit as i've seen in the above video he would be watching from the stands for a minimum of 5+ games. Perhaps not close to Suarez 6 months but still he would get far more than the slap on the hand which he will most likely get from his American compatriots

I understand man and I think that's harsh. I think in no way should the punishment of a guy who rips a piece of paper be anywhere near the punishment of someone who causes actual physical harm. This is akin to telling a ref to fuck off or trying to deceive the ref through a dive. It shouldn't be classified with assault. Others will disagree. Obviously the league felt the same as I do.

I can knock the MLS for many things but it's a different game here. We can be served beer in the stands without going crazy, we don't have racist ultra groups and our teams aren't corrupt.... yet.

Hate on the US all you want, it's give and take.

TFCknw
06-19-2015, 03:53 PM
lol... you are absolutely right about not being in the same ball park as players.
Also a racist who bites people is not even in the same ball park as an immature guy ripping up a refs paper.

Yohan
06-19-2015, 07:02 PM
I understand man and I think that's harsh. I think in no way should the punishment of a guy who rips a piece of paper be anywhere near the punishment of someone who causes actual physical harm. This is akin to telling a ref to fuck off or trying to deceive the ref through a dive. It shouldn't be classified with assault. Others will disagree. Obviously the league felt the same as I do.

I can knock the MLS for many things but it's a different game here. We can be served beer in the stands without going crazy, we don't have racist ultra groups and our teams aren't corrupt.... yet.

Hate on the US all you want, it's give and take.

While I agree that there is a difference between assault and ripping the refs card, no wonder the refs get no respect by players. Slap on the wrist imo.

You try something like this in rugby and see what it gets you. Rugby is far more civilized game in comparison to soccer because refs get respect they deserve as arbiter of the sport. Not child like petulant behaviour you see from too many soccer players.

Richard
06-19-2015, 07:18 PM
Yeah there is a major problem in soccer with players crowding an intimidating refs worldwide. There is no respect between the players and the ref when I see it happen and it doesn't happen in any other sport. A player may get pissed and mouth off, but I have rarely seen players crowd refs in any other North American sport. Reminds me of the Chelsea VS PSG game, what a bunch of wankerz.

Anyone who intimidates/crowds a ref should rightly get tossed.

koolvid12
06-19-2015, 07:51 PM
Would never happen in a real football country...The dude would get a ban similar to Suarez....Low life American with no talent that couldn't make it in a real league...No surprises
here.

At least Gio accomplished something and at one stage was hailed as a major talent....Dempsey...is a nobody that only played for relegation teams....

As far as I'm concerned there isn't a lot of designated players that were worth their money and status. Henry, Beckham are the first to come to mind....And now finally followed by a player in his prime in Giovinco.

Only other recent one pehaps Kaka but he is so injury prone that with the terrible tackling in this league i cant ever see him playing a lot of games. Then again with all the rest they get here...its possible....
What are you on about? How did he not make it in a real league? Did he not play in the premier league for several years? Fullham was only a relegation team in his first year with the team where he was still being integrated to the team and then they were never a relegation team since with him at helm and made the europa league twice and the final. No idea why you're saying he only played for relegation teams in europe when he only did for 1 season and it was his first year in europe. This sounds like something personal to you. Good player and great in the MLS. Just like Gio.

BritSOL
06-19-2015, 08:50 PM
While I agree that there is a difference between assault and ripping the refs card, no wonder the refs get no respect by players. Slap on the wrist imo.

You try something like this in rugby and see what it gets you. Rugby is far more civilized game in comparison to soccer because refs get respect they deserve as arbiter of the sport. Not child like petulant behaviour you see from too many soccer players.

A rugby ref who demands respect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blaRBdm0wfE

ag futbol
06-19-2015, 09:46 PM
3 games is too light. I propose a social experiment where some no-namer does the same thing and we'll see what happens.

MLS wants this as far under the rug as possible.

burlington Red
06-19-2015, 09:56 PM
Neymar got 4 games for his recent red. Was his card 1 game worse?

MightyDM
06-20-2015, 07:51 AM
Yeah there is a major problem in soccer with players crowding an intimidating refs worldwide. There is no respect between the players and the ref when I see it happen and it doesn't happen in any other sport. A player may get pissed and mouth off, but I have rarely seen players crowd refs in any other North American sport. Reminds me of the Chelsea VS PSG game, what a bunch of wankerz.

Anyone who intimidates/crowds a ref should rightly get tossed.

Yeah, like Abby wambach should have got a yellow at least in that infamous game when she started counting down the goal keepers time. Soccer has let this get out of control at all levels. Poor.

MightyDM
06-20-2015, 07:52 AM
3 games is too light. I propose a social experiment where some no-namer does the same thing and we'll see what happens.

MLS wants this as far under the rug as possible.

Exactly - he was suspended for the maximum number of games that would let him start the gold cup.

Fort York Redcoat
06-20-2015, 08:41 AM
Would never happen in a real football country...The dude would get a ban similar to Suarez....Low life American with no talent that couldn't make it in a real league...No surprises
here.

At least Gio accomplished something and at one stage was hailed as a major talent....Dempsey...is a nobody that only played for relegation teams....

As far as I'm concerned there isn't a lot of designated players that were worth their money and status. Henry, Beckham are the first to come to mind....And now finally followed by a player in his prime in Giovinco.

Only other recent one pehaps Kaka but he is so injury prone that with the terrible tackling in this league i cant ever see him playing a lot of games. Then again with all the rest they get here...its possible....


Annnnd there goes credibility...

Red4ever
06-20-2015, 10:03 AM
Call me crazy, but I think the poor job the official did was taken into consideration as well as Dempsey's status.

If the ref didn't screw up multiple big calls, they wouldn't have felt the need to cut him a break.

Not saying it's right, but human nature is to level things out. I would have been content with a longer suspension for Dempsey had it accompanied a reprimand / assessment of officiating that was not up to par.

Red4ever
06-20-2015, 10:06 AM
Also, I hate when someone comes on this forum and assumes we only watch the MLS and loathe every other type of soccer. Like we don't leave our own foxhole. How myopic is that?

ag futbol
06-20-2015, 01:51 PM
Neymar got 4 games for his recent red. Was his card 1 game worse?
Questionable. He followed the red down the tunnel which is also a big no-no.

Bishop Blaize
06-20-2015, 04:38 PM
Questionable. He followed the red down the tunnel which is also a big no-no.

As opposed to ripping his notebook

Bishop Blaize
06-20-2015, 04:39 PM
Questionable. He followed the red down the tunnel which is also a big no-no.
if he got to him and grabbed his notebook n ripped it. Would he have only got 3 then.

Fort York Redcoat
06-21-2015, 12:21 PM
Also, I hate when someone comes on this forum and assumes we only watch the MLS and loathe every other type of soccer. Like we don't leave our own foxhole. How myopic is that?

Myopic. Also elitist and a insular and ignorant. But it'll be up to every individual if they want to follow and support his/her local like the people they attest are of a higher caliber do elsewhere.

vortexdr
06-23-2015, 01:50 PM
Elitist for sure....At least I dont consider Demsey in the elite category. At one stage he was hailed as the first "world class" American footballer. I don't deny that he is a quality player but he is and never will be in the same category as some of the other designed players that truly deserved that distinction.

Fort York Redcoat
06-23-2015, 03:34 PM
Elitist for sure....At least I dont consider Demsey in the elite category. At one stage he was hailed as the first "world class" American footballer. I don't deny that he is a quality player but he is and never will be in the same category as some of the other designed players that truly deserved that distinction.

So name them.

Beckham
Henry

Anyone else in your "deserved" category? Because those 2 did enough to earn their title, and one if them just barely.

And Kaka hasn't done enough yet. Not on the pitch.