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OgtheDim
05-27-2015, 08:10 PM
Now that the circus is taking down the big top, time to return to why were are here. :scarf:



******

First weather forecast - likely to change. Light Rain starting at 1 and lasting until 7. High of 18.


WOWZA STREAM EDIT PARTY:

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/348440/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-san-jose-earthquakes.html

http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/315944...293429|64|1|en (http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/315944_toronto_san_jose/#webplayer_ifr|293429|315944|293429|64|1|en)

Mateo1985
05-27-2015, 08:25 PM
Super excited about this game!!! Not bringing any family to this one so I can hopefully focus on the game instead of keeping my family entertained lol!!!

ryan
05-28-2015, 08:46 AM
We win when it rains...woooooooo


Good test for us, Quakes having a good go right now. Undefeated in May, but can't seem to do much more than 1 goal per match. If we put away a couple chances, should be 3pts. Should we do that, we'd be 6pts off DCU with 2 games in hand. We still would need results, but at least having the opportunity to be top of the table is nothing to scoff at. With home dates vs NYCFC and MTL coming up, the home/away vs DCU surronding those could really be something.

EXCITED.

Mateo1985
05-28-2015, 08:52 AM
They are announcing something at the Quakes stadium today at 2pm. Any ideas what it might be?

Fort York Redcoat
05-28-2015, 08:53 AM
They are announcing something at the Quakes stadium today at 2pm. Any ideas what it might be?

The CFL expansion.g:D

Just kidding

They are announcing a trade with TFC - The return of Marvel Wynne and Ty Harden for Moore and Findley.:lol:

Really tho

I assume they are honouring Wondo for his 100?

Yohan
05-28-2015, 09:05 AM
They are announcing something at the Quakes stadium today at 2pm. Any ideas what it might be?
probably something to do with All Star game

Mateo1985
05-28-2015, 09:12 AM
I'd love it if Marvel Wynne came back lol

PopePouri
05-28-2015, 10:18 AM
The CFL expansion.g:D

Just kidding

They are announcing a trade with TFC - The return of Marvel Wynne and Ty Harden for Moore and Findley.:lol:

Really tho

I assume they are honouring Wondo for his 100?

Vanney going with a new 6-4-0 formation next game.

OgtheDim
05-28-2015, 10:53 AM
Vanney going with a new 6-4-0 formation next game.

We got 6 forwards?

PopePouri
05-28-2015, 10:55 AM
We got 6 forwards?

Other way around.

James17930
05-28-2015, 10:55 AM
probably something to do with All Star game

Correct.

OgtheDim
05-28-2015, 04:22 PM
Thunderstorm most likely to be between 5 and 7, if it happens. Given the day before forecast for the friendly yesterday said it was supposed to pour all evening, will take this forecast with a grain of salt.

Reporters likely to be at practice tomorrow where we will hear about Bendik most likely.

ronzilla
05-28-2015, 05:25 PM
Oh crap, hope he's ok for saturday.


From twitter
Sebastian Giovinco: Dealing with Heel Bruise

Stress
05-28-2015, 09:44 PM
Oh crap, hope he's ok for saturday.


From twitter
Sebastian Giovinco: Dealing with Heel Bruise

Should be okay. Was reported earlier and was the reason he didn't practice on Tuesday. Given he got some minutes Wednesday night, I think he'll be okay for Saturday.

Qman
05-28-2015, 10:09 PM
Should be okay. Was reported earlier and was the reason he didn't practice on Tuesday. Given he got some minutes Wednesday night, I think he'll be okay for Saturday.


no way he would have played wednesday if he would still miss saturday.

Defoe
05-29-2015, 01:45 AM
no way he would have played wednesday if he would still miss saturday.

I feel like we can win any game, any time just because of the Giovinco and Bradley factor. Haven't felt the way before. Warner and Cheyrou have really done an excellent job allowing Michael to get forward. Hopefully Warner is fit. I like this team, it's weird.:drum:

Ivy
05-29-2015, 02:30 AM
I feel like we can win any game, any time just because of the Giovinco and Bradley factor. Haven't felt the way before. Warner and Cheyrou have really done an excellent job allowing Michael to get forward. Hopefully Warner is fit. I like this team, it's weird.:drum:
It is weird, considering your name is Defoe.
:)

Mateo1985
05-29-2015, 06:17 AM
Hahahah Defoe!!!

Red CB Toronto
05-29-2015, 07:31 AM
Perfect day for the Reds to continue on and get the three points. Looking forward to it. Shutting down Wondo will be key with him on the high of hitting the century mark last week.

Graeme
05-29-2015, 10:13 AM
Sounds like Warner will probably not see the field due to hamstring (I hope he does play), so I guess our midfield will be Jackson--Cheyrou--Bradley--Osorio? The alternative is Creaville--Cheyrou--Bradley--Osorio (but I really hope not).

Up front, I would guess Moore--Giovinco again, although it would be nice for Hamilton to see the field.

barticusz
05-29-2015, 10:58 AM
My guess is creavalle will get the nod. He looked good after a shaky start.

Derko
05-29-2015, 12:55 PM
My guess is creavalle will get the nod. He looked good after a shaky start.

He is better in the midfield, maybe Jackson will come in to add width later in the game.

ManUtd4ever
05-29-2015, 01:18 PM
Jackson looked like a super sub against Man City. I hope he bottled some of that for the regular season.

pdubs
05-29-2015, 01:19 PM
Still time to change but weather looks bad. 90% chance of thunderstorms? Essh. 5-10mm of rain in afternoon plus 10mm in the evening.

OgtheDim
05-29-2015, 02:08 PM
That hourly thing is good for temperature but not for the Probability of Precipitation. E.g. the radar map says rain within the next 2 hours and the hourly says only a 10% chance.

That forecast for tomorrow looks a lot like 2 weeks ago.

pdubs
05-29-2015, 02:17 PM
Hope your right!

OgtheDim
05-29-2015, 02:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFjWCJEK2Sg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HtY8xoSCY

Ultra & Proud
05-29-2015, 02:49 PM
That hourly thing is good for temperature but not for the Probability of Precipitation. E.g. the radar map says rain within the next 2 hours and the hourly says only a 10% chance.

That forecast for tomorrow looks a lot like 2 weeks ago.
Wait until tomorrow afternoon and Google 'King City Radar' and 'Itellicast North American Weather radar' and then see what's brewing. Works better than any of these projections by the weather experts.

Qman
05-29-2015, 03:44 PM
still a massive number of seats available for SJ tomorrow.
Will they even break 20k

portu
05-29-2015, 04:03 PM
1 out of 7 exams done, it better not fucking rain tomorrow

PopePouri
05-29-2015, 04:04 PM
still a massive number of seats available for SJ tomorrow.
Will they even break 20k

Given there's 20K season ticket holders, I'm sure they will.

OgtheDim
05-29-2015, 05:42 PM
still a massive number of seats available for SJ tomorrow.
Will they even break 20k

20K is season seat holder #.

Attendances (not sold #) have been better then expected so far.

How many will actually be there? :noidea:

Qman
05-29-2015, 06:28 PM
20K is season seat holder #.

Attendances (not sold #) have been better then expected so far.

How many will actually be there? :noidea:


yeah, sorry was mostly speaking on how many will be there.

i think TL is embellishing the season tix # based on turnouts so far.
Although they have Wondo, SJ isn't exactly the biggest draw/rival for us

OgtheDim
05-29-2015, 06:57 PM
Hmmm....question to Vanney indicates DeRo official announcement of retirement happening on Saturday.

Warner out for sure. Findley might be available off the bench but rest of injuries not ready yet.

Bishop Blaize
05-29-2015, 08:34 PM
Given there's 20K season ticket holders, I'm sure they will.

u really believe that 20k season tic holders shit......

Greatest Ripoff
05-30-2015, 04:15 AM
Excited that this is on sky sports 1. First time on the main channel. It is too bad that after two weeks sky stop airing their bizarre highlights shows. The cometary was in english but all of the text on screen was in spanish.

Ultra & Proud
05-30-2015, 06:07 AM
u really believe that 20k season tic holders shit......
Yup. Unsold scalpers tix and a whole lot of people who buy season tix and go to only a handful of matches and waste the rest. I have a friend who only went to 3 matches last season and wasted the rest. This year she hasn't gone once so far and not going today. I think it's stupid to buy them and not go or to give them away but she'd rather just let them sit unused.

I think there are more people like her out there.

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 08:30 AM
Game Day. :scarf:

ensco
05-30-2015, 08:35 AM
Yup. Unsold scalpers tix and a whole lot of people who buy season tix and go to only a handful of matches and waste the rest. I have a friend who only went to 3 matches last season and wasted the rest. This year she hasn't gone once so far and not going today. I think it's stupid to buy them and not go or to give them away but she'd rather just let them sit unused.

I think there are more people like her out there.

Yes. There must definitely be 50 or 100 people like that. Agreed.

ensco
05-30-2015, 08:36 AM
Can we do a Marvell Wynne chant today? Just because it's fun?

flamehawk
05-30-2015, 08:56 AM
Yup. Unsold scalpers tix and a whole lot of people who buy season tix and go to only a handful of matches and waste the rest. I have a friend who only went to 3 matches last season and wasted the rest. This year she hasn't gone once so far and not going today. I think it's stupid to buy them and not go or to give them away but she'd rather just let them sit unused.

I think there are more people like her out there.

What's the logic for that? Why not save a couple hundred dollars and buy single tickets? Is she worried that the season will suddenly sell out?

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 09:18 AM
There are people who buy SS"s in hopes of a big pay off when/if there is a playoff run - call it amateur scalping. A lot of people did that with the Jays 2 seasons ago. The price of a conference final would probably make back 2 seasons of SSH investment. I don't want to think of how much people would pay for an MLS Cup final if we ever got to one.

I'm not saying its smart.

Hopefully these people actually show up to games.

TravelPat
05-30-2015, 10:40 AM
I am always amazed ar just how many empty seats there do seem to be at TFC games. Even sold out games last year seemed to have thousands of empty seats - especially in the east stands for some reason. It's too bad. I wish more ticket holders would actually show up or at least give the tickets to somebody that would. Watching the Women's game on TV from Hamilton last night - or even watching Whitecaps home games compared to almost any TFC game and the difference is stark with so many empty seats at BMO. It's unfortunate really.

And we lucked out Wednesday where the forecast called for thunderstorms and all we got was a lovely rainbow instead. Here's hoping our luck continues tonight because the forecast is looking ominous for between 5 and 7.

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11245786_10205002617598412_544642984150619851_n.jp g?oh=66430354f1b4db71ba0ae63f1a90d9ad&oe=55EF92BD

kodiakTFC
05-30-2015, 11:04 AM
My first game back since Nepal and its against the Earthquakes. What in the hell.

TravelPat
05-30-2015, 11:47 AM
And kodiakTFC on the weekend the movie San Andreas opens. :-)

molenshtain
05-30-2015, 12:53 PM
anddddddddd it's raining

Dv23
05-30-2015, 01:06 PM
anddddddddd it's pouring

Joe Kool
05-30-2015, 01:09 PM
Old man snoring?

DOMIN8R
05-30-2015, 01:18 PM
Rain has stopped and the sun is trying to shine in. The midges were a little challenging this AM around BMO. Hopefully, they will stay at bay by wind or other.

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 01:27 PM
More Arsenal.

Less Villa.

ronzilla
05-30-2015, 01:33 PM
Was raining buckets an hour ago, although looks like its clearing up now and the sun is trying to break through.

I doubt there will be any rain at kick off.

Huyton
05-30-2015, 01:47 PM
I'd prefer singing a former players chant than doing a "T.O. Reject".

Seems the fuckers score against us when we do that.

Unless he slagged us off when he left...then he deserves all the abuse we can hurl.

Huyton
05-30-2015, 01:48 PM
The Sun'll come out, 2 Morrow!

http://media.cleveland.com/sports_impact/photo/justin-morrow-mls-toronto-fc-crew-soccer-16560739jpg-792a1937c0c6c4d2.jpg

markusp
05-30-2015, 01:52 PM
First time season ticket holder and would love to know what happens to a game when a thunderstorm occurs? It is pouring in Burlington currently and the storm tracker shows heavy thunder shower cells hitting Toronto around 5:00 pm onwards.

Do they ever call a game over thunderstorms or do they wait them out and resume play later that evening?

Burned a set of tickets last week while on vacation and would hate to waste another set if calling off the game is a real possibility. Will be taking my 9 year daughter to the game who doesn't mind rain but is deathly afraid of thunderstorms.

Dv23
05-30-2015, 01:56 PM
If there is thunder typically there will be a delay at which point they will try to determine whether the storm will dissipate. If it does not look like the storm will clear up, the game is rescheduled and we get the same tickets to the rescheduled match. If the game is in the second half when it is called off because of thunder, then the result is final.

ensco
05-30-2015, 02:06 PM
I'd prefer singing a former players chant than doing a "T.O. Reject".

Seems the fuckers score against us when we do that.

Unless he slagged us off when he left...then he deserves all the abuse we can hurl.

He gave us a lot of love the week of the MLS Cup in 2010. We sang it for him then.

Mateo1985
05-30-2015, 02:06 PM
Wouldn't mind TFC leading by a goal or few and then end the game in second so that the result stands if the storm continues. I don't think it will be that bad though.... may be even more fun!!!

markusp
05-30-2015, 02:11 PM
Thanks. Will make the trek and hopefully see our Reds win.

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 02:39 PM
Slick field in our favour should it be.

mook-life
05-30-2015, 02:59 PM
Streams for this one?

portu
05-30-2015, 03:01 PM
Hopefully Seba's heel will be decent enough to take set pieces again, the rain could make shots that skip off the turf fuck with keepers

speaking of keepers if Konopka is not starting today then Vanney is sending a message to the roster that says no matter what you do you cant get into the XI

edit: nvm Konopka is starting, Bendik on bench
Nice to see Chapman, Mannella and Hamiton on the bench for today hopefully J Hams gets his shot sometime into the 2nd half

notthesun
05-30-2015, 03:17 PM
Starting XI: Konopka; Morgan, Zavaleta, Pequis, Morrow; Cheyrou, Osorio, Creavalle, Bradley; Moore, Giovinco

Bench: Bendik, Hagglund, Jackson, Chapman, Mannella, Findley, Hamilton

Really sucks that Warner is out. Hopefully Creavalle can be more at ease in midfield.

portu
05-30-2015, 03:31 PM
They better get those metal studs out its terrible out there right now

mook-life
05-30-2015, 03:32 PM
streams anyone?

kshep
05-30-2015, 03:38 PM
Clear skies in K-W now, but the storm is moving slowly towards Toronto. I can see kick off being pushed back to 6 or 7 possibly.. with how heavy the rain was, the pitch might not drain fast enough which is the only thing I see preventing the match from happening tonight.

ronzilla
05-30-2015, 03:40 PM
Its coming down hard right now.

mook-life
05-30-2015, 03:53 PM
streams anyone

ronzilla
05-30-2015, 03:57 PM
http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/315944_toronto_san_jose/#webplayer_ifr|293429|315944|293429|64|1|en

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 03:59 PM
Under the West stand. Ontario Place just disappeared.

mook-life
05-30-2015, 04:01 PM
http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/315944_toronto_san_jose/#webplayer_ifr|293429|315944|293429|64|1|en

I gotta save this on my work computer

mook-life
05-30-2015, 04:06 PM
well looks like I am going back to watching fa cup highlight :)

Greatest Ripoff
05-30-2015, 04:08 PM
showing 2005 champion's league final highlights on sky because of the delay. :(

James17930
05-30-2015, 04:11 PM
Oh man ... I got up at 5 am to watch this and now it's delayed ... hmm ... should I go back to bed?

iansmcl
05-30-2015, 04:22 PM
#TFV tells me kickoff is at 5:23. John Molinaro (@JohnMolinaro)

bimmer
05-30-2015, 04:24 PM
Is there a reason Zavaleta has been getting the start over Hagglund? I haven't seen anything from Zavaleta to justify him overtaking Hagglund on the depth chart.

ronzilla
05-30-2015, 04:25 PM
Game on ! :scarf:

James17930
05-30-2015, 04:25 PM
#TFV tells me kickoff is at 5:23. John Molinaro (@JohnMolinaro)

And that's right now. Glad it wasn't too long of a delay.

Yohan
05-30-2015, 04:38 PM
Morgan's game has improved a lot. Vanney used to be a decent leftback and passing on some knowledge

__wowza
05-30-2015, 04:38 PM
cheyrou has been worth his weight in gold, anyone wanna argue against pickup of the season so far?

0bl1vious
05-30-2015, 04:39 PM
Osorio has been pretty bad last couple of games. The attack stalls every time he gets a touch on the ball.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 04:41 PM
giovinco is out of this fucking world. jesus christ.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 04:47 PM
our attack is looking scary right now.

James17930
05-30-2015, 04:48 PM
Morgan's game has improved a lot. Vanney used to be a decent leftback and passing on some knowledge

I always thought they should convert him into a winger ... but he seems to have finally learned how to defend.

Great goal! The offence didn't stall through Osorio there ... great pass into Gio.

Hieberrr
05-30-2015, 04:48 PM
Holy shit, this is the TFC I've been waiting for for the past 1000 seasons.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 04:49 PM
I always thought they should convert him into a winger ... but he seems to have finally learned how to defend.

he didn't have time to react to that, what bullshit.

James17930
05-30-2015, 04:49 PM
I always thought they should convert him into a winger ... but he seems to have finally learned how to defend.

Great goal! The offence didn't stall through Osorio there ... great pass into Gio.

Or not ...

James17930
05-30-2015, 04:50 PM
he didn't have time to react to that, what bullshit.

As we've seen time and again in MLS, if you have your arms out to make yourself 'bigger', they'll call it every time.

Bishop Blaize
05-30-2015, 04:50 PM
Brain fart by morgan

nonc
05-30-2015, 04:52 PM
Morgan is playing a lot better but you can still count on some bad positioning from him!

PAOK17
05-30-2015, 04:53 PM
he didn't have time to react to that, what bullshit.
Outstretched arm, header moving towards the goal - reaction time or not, if that's not called a penalty then I don't know what handball infraction would.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 04:53 PM
As we've seen time and again in MLS, if you have your arms out to make yourself 'bigger', they'll call it every time.

he had his arm out, nowhere near the ball, before the header came off his arm and went down immediately afterwards.

i'd need to see the replay again, but i think he was slipping, he didn't have his arms outstretched as much as he had them up.

GabrielHurl
05-30-2015, 04:55 PM
he didn't have time to react to that, what bullshit.

Would you be saying the same if it was their guy who did it?

Richard
05-30-2015, 04:59 PM
Holy Smokes!

Bishop Blaize
05-30-2015, 04:59 PM
Take a bow young man. Sweet hit

MagicPig
05-30-2015, 05:00 PM
Outstretched arm, header moving towards the goal - reaction time or not, if that's not called a penalty then I don't know what handball infraction would.


His is hand was in the air before the ball made contact with the attackers head for the header and was on the way down when it made contact. And yes I'd say the same for their team. That has to be taken into account

Captain Cook
05-30-2015, 05:01 PM
reavalle, great goal. He's still not good though

bones
05-30-2015, 05:01 PM
I wonder if the no call was influenced at all by the penalty call in the minds of the refs.

Bishop Blaize
05-30-2015, 05:01 PM
he had his arm out, nowhere near the ball, before the header came off his arm and went down immediately afterwards.

i'd need to see the replay again, but i think he was slipping, he didn't have his arms outstretched as much as he had them up.

Seriously bud it's as blatant a penalty as you can get.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:02 PM
Would you be saying the same if it was their guy who did it?

yeah dude. this isn't a blind loyalty thing.
i can admit we got lucky with not getting a penalty last week.

morgan seemed to have his arms up before the header even came off, so it looked ball to hand. then again this is MLS and we've seen things like that go either way.



Seriously bud it's as blatant a penalty as you can get.

like i said, calls like that in MLS seem to go either way. it looked ball to hand, morgan didn't even look like he was trying to stop the play or control the ball because he had his arms up as the cross was coming in and he wasn't in the way of it. again, the replay would help. i could be completely wrong.

Dkolish3
05-30-2015, 05:03 PM
I wonder if the no call was influenced at all by the penalty call in the minds of the refs.

I don't think so the ball was like 5 feet in front of the defender when he fell. He had no chance of getting it

rydermike
05-30-2015, 05:03 PM
Creavalle scoring means Vanney will keep playing him :/

Dkolish3
05-30-2015, 05:04 PM
Creavalle scoring means Vanney will keep playing him :/

Considering how badly TFC is killing SJ defence he can continue to start

GabrielHurl
05-30-2015, 05:05 PM
yeah dude. this isn't a blind loyalty thing.
i can admit we got lucky with not getting a penalty last week.

morgan seemed to have his arms up before the header even came off, so it looked ball to hand. then again this is MLS and we've seen things like that go either way.




like i said, calls like that in MLS seem to go either way. it looked ball to hand, morgan didn't even look like he was trying to stop the play or control the ball because he had his arms up as the cross was coming in and he wasn't in the way of it. again, the replay would help. i could be completely wrong.

Here ya go - https://instagram.com/p/3UnCw5Jr0h/

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 05:06 PM
seriously how is Luke moore still in the starting 11 on this team ? since this game is being broadcast in the UK they are having a nice laugh at the luke moore on twitter..

‏@TomArnold1994 (https://twitter.com/TomArnold1994) 20m20 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/TomArnold1994/status/604764610613391360) Only in the MLS could a player as bad as Luke Moore flick on a header for a player as good as Sebastien Giovinco #wba (https://twitter.com/hashtag/wba?src=hash)

@graha1874 (https://twitter.com/graha1874) 20m20 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/graha1874/status/604764490190712832)
Stuck some money on Toronto FC and then find out they've got Luke Moore playing up front for them #stinking (https://twitter.com/hashtag/stinking?src=hash)

‏@RyanThomas_94 (https://twitter.com/RyanThomas_94) 33m33 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/RyanThomas_94/status/604771762975424512) Luke Moore plays in MLS. Why?


‏@arleneisaboot (https://twitter.com/arleneisaboot) 34m34 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/arleneisaboot/status/604761420669054976)
No Jozy Altidore and a virtually empty stadium at Toronto means I'm not watching a 5th game of the day. Luke Moore though?!



@ThisisWavey (https://twitter.com/ThisisWavey) 18m18 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ThisisWavey/status/604764854193405952) Luke moore is useless #tfc

(https://twitter.com/hashtag/tfc?src=hash)Everybody knows this guy is doo doo except vanny. just let hamilton start.

James17930
05-30-2015, 05:08 PM
Oh oh... this looks serious.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:09 PM
Here ya go - https://instagram.com/p/3UnCw5Jr0h/


ahh, the typical "making yourself big" handball. i was wrong.
fair enough. again, we have seen these go either way but yeah that was a handball.
it was stupid, but it was a handball.

notthesun
05-30-2015, 05:09 PM
Creavalle looks about a million times better in midfield than at RB.

Morgan obviously graduated from the Steven Caldwell School of Defending judging by that penalty.

Yohan
05-30-2015, 05:13 PM
Creavalle looks about a million times better in midfield than at RB.

Morgan obviously graduated from the Steven Caldwell School of Defending judging by that penalty.
because Creavalle is a CM/DM by trade

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:21 PM
anyone hear word on when the testimonial is?

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:36 PM
good to see bradley commanding the back like that on the free kick.

shwade
05-30-2015, 05:42 PM
Damn Creaville makes bad passes.

James17930
05-30-2015, 05:44 PM
good to see bradley commanding the back like that on the free kick.

Yes ... but he still gives the ball away too much.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:46 PM
Yes ... but he still gives the ball away too much.

totally agree, he looked a lot better in the first half though.

i wouldn't be opposed to seeing hamilton come on for moore at some point.
we've been on the backfoot since the start of the half.

shwade
05-30-2015, 05:48 PM
Ugh bunkering already

notthesun
05-30-2015, 05:49 PM
What in the fuck are we doing? Start pressing the ball again!!!

James17930
05-30-2015, 05:49 PM
totally agree, he looked a lot better in the first half though.

i wouldn't be opposed to seeing hamilton come on for moore at some point.
we've been on the backfoot since the start of the half.

I agree.

shwade
05-30-2015, 05:50 PM
Chapman but no Hamilton

James17930
05-30-2015, 05:51 PM
Gotta admit, SJ is defending pretty well. They're shifting quickly and putting a lot of pressure on the ball.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:52 PM
not a fan of closing up shop at the 55th, but excited to see chapman come on.

James17930
05-30-2015, 05:54 PM
not a fan of closing up shop at the 55th, but excited to see chapman come on.

But that's the thing. I don't think we're bunkering ... I think SJ is just doing a good job hemming us in.

I think that's Vanney's reasoning for bringing Jackson on -- to get some speed in there on the flank to try to punch through the midfield.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:56 PM
i fucking love you giovinco.

Inklink
05-30-2015, 05:56 PM
Best player in the league, no contest.

James17930
05-30-2015, 05:56 PM
Yes yes yes!

We really needed that goal.

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 05:57 PM
seba is monster!!!

PopePouri
05-30-2015, 05:57 PM
Moore you useless lazy bastard!!!

rydermike
05-30-2015, 05:58 PM
Moore scores inside the 6 yard box, therefore we will not see Chapman or Hamilton

__wowza
05-30-2015, 05:59 PM
I think SJ is just doing a good job hemming us in.

I think that's Vanney's reasoning for bringing Jackson on -- to get some speed in there on the flank to try to punch through the midfield.

partially that, partially because SJ have been taking advantage of our inability/unwillingness to move the ball upfield. most of SJs possession has been a result of turnovers from backpasses, when we did well winning the midfield ALL first half.

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 05:59 PM
relax the guy scored a tap in sitter from 2 feet lol. he's been totally useless all game.. until that goal i totally forgot moore was even in the game. if anything the credit goes to seba for actually gifting him a tap in goal.

Yohan
05-30-2015, 06:02 PM
relax the guy scored a tap in sitter from 2 feet lol. he's been totally useless all game.. until that goal i totally forgot moore was even in the game. if anything the credit goes to seba for actually gifting him a tap in goal.
it was a great late run to go between 2 SJ defenders for the easy tap in

rydermike
05-30-2015, 06:03 PM
Toronto now has 17 goals, Giovinco has 5 goals and 6 assists (Assuming he got credit for 2 today). 65% of our goals lol

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 06:04 PM
it was a great late run to go between 2 SJ defenders for the easy tap in


UKfans knows he's trash.. the guy hardly runs.. just watch him lol and thats why he was knon as lazy luke more in england... it's fitting that his goal was a tap in because his work rate is terrible!


@sosciaa (https://twitter.com/sosciaa) 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/sosciaa/status/604783284967645184) Lazy #LukeMoore (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LukeMoore?src=hash) gives Toronto FC the 3-1 lead! Just like in the #SwanseaCity (https://twitter.com/hashtag/SwanseaCity?src=hash) days https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/26bd.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f609.png

@vespaned (https://twitter.com/vespaned) 17m17 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/vespaned/status/604780356932399105)
Watching MLS on sky,Toronto v San Jose. It really is like a Conference game,Luke Moore plays for Toronto...still Shit !

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:06 PM
relax the guy scored a tap in sitter from 2 feet lol. he's been totally useless all game.. until that goal i totally forgot moore was even in the game. if anything the credit goes to seba for actually gifting him a tap in goal.

@vespaned (https://twitter.com/vespaned)17m17 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/vespaned/status/604780356932399105)
Watching MLS on sky,Toronto v San Jose. It really is like a Conference game

How could you take anyone seriously who says something completely ridiculous like that?

Inklink
05-30-2015, 06:06 PM
Is Vanney still sitting on 2 subs?

ag futbol
05-30-2015, 06:07 PM
I hardly like Luke Moore but who gives a shit what some random nobody posts on Twitter?

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 06:07 PM
How could you take anyone seriously who says something completely ridiculous like that? listen the guy was known a lazy luke moore in england for a reason lol just look at him.. there's a reason why you forget he's even playing.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 06:08 PM
this is getting embarrassing for san jose.
it's nice to be able to say that about another team. g:D

Leedsoronto
05-30-2015, 06:09 PM
Woh !!
We are ripping them to bits today

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:10 PM
listen the guy was known a lazy luke moore in england for a reason lol just look at him.. there's a reason why you forget he's even playing.

Fair enough ... I agree he's not great ... but the typical "I'm English, so I'll just compare MLS to the 5th tier in the English system or whatever' is just boring, asinine and wrong by this point.

I've met Brits like that all over the world and when they say it I just roll my eyes and ignore them because there's no point even talking to them.

Inklink
05-30-2015, 06:11 PM
Let me just say, it's a pleasure to hear Luke Wileman call this game. No more Nigel Reed sapping every ounce of energy out of the game, and no Dobson sitting in his basement pretending to be live on the road, calling every player Wynne or Ricketts.

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:12 PM
Just had a thought:

Does Bradley give the ball away a lot because he needs to be better, or because he's the guy who the play goes through most of the time and so the law of percentages simply catches up with him sometimes?

__wowza
05-30-2015, 06:12 PM
I've met Brits like that all over the world and when they say it I just roll my eyes and ignore them because there's no point even talking to them.

i always find folks like that funny. something tells me they wouldn't have their local teams shirt in their closet, it'd most likely be man u, chelsea, liverpool, city or arsenal.

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:13 PM
Let me just say, it's a pleasure to hear Luke Wileman call this game. No more Nigel Reed sapping every ounce of energy out of the game, and no Dobson sitting in his basement pretending to be live on the road, calling every player Wynne or Ricketts.

I'm watching it on Sky and the commentators here are great. They know MLS and they're not giving the typical snide remarks all the time that you sometimes get.

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:15 PM
i always find folks like that funny. something tells me they wouldn't have their local teams shirt in their closet, it'd most likely be man u, chelsea, liverpool, city or arsenal.

That, or they take pride in supporting their local club who never wins anything. I remember one Middlesborough fan I was talking to who just kept going on about 'MLS is a pub league' etc. Lame.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 06:15 PM
Just had a thought:

Does Bradley give the ball away a lot because he needs to be better, or because he's the guy who the play goes through most of the time and so the law of percentages simply catches up with him sometimes?

it's weird, bradley wears a lot of hats. some of his mistakes are pretty glaring because he's expected to be the conduit on the field. when he's playing it forward he can get the ball to giovinco and altidore, when he plays it back he's playing to.. you see where i'm going with this. you'll see him getting the ball from the back line under duress a lot.

Inklink
05-30-2015, 06:16 PM
Zavaletta is beasting.

Yohan
05-30-2015, 06:16 PM
I'm watching it on Sky and the commentators here are great. They know MLS and they're not giving the typical snide remarks all the time that you sometimes get.
I think lead commentator is Calum Williams who used to do SKC broadcasts

__wowza
05-30-2015, 06:17 PM
i heard an audible sebastian giovinco chant, and who can fault them?

PopePouri
05-30-2015, 06:17 PM
Zavaletta is beasting.

Very impressive.

__wowza
05-30-2015, 06:17 PM
give the man a fucking goal already.

Inklink
05-30-2015, 06:18 PM
Amazing.

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:21 PM
Great win ... makes getting up at 5 am worth it :)

Blowing Bubbles
05-30-2015, 06:21 PM
Good thing Barca is on a transfer ban! ..... Giovinco :flare:

__wowza
05-30-2015, 06:24 PM
That, or they take pride in supporting their local club who never wins anything. I remember one Middlesborough fan I was talking to who just kept going on about 'MLS is a pub league' etc. Lame.

fair. it's just most of the people i know who love bashing MLS are supporting teams overseas that they have no affiliation to.
at that point it's not really about loving soccer, so much as it is loving a winning team.

basically, i know a lot of people who'll say "lol TFC is shit" while they like barca, real, man u and inter on facebook.

there's nothing wrong with that, it's just a funny. i mean, if you eat lobster every day then hotdogs are gonna taste like shit, but don't say you "love the game" if you can't appreciate it at all levels. hell.. the african cup of nations is some of the most entertaining stuff you'll ever watch, but doesn't get nearly as much love for it's noticeable for it's lack of "superstars" (as opposed to teams like england/france/italy/portugal/etc).

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:25 PM
it's weird, bradley wears a lot of hats. some of his mistakes are pretty glaring because he's expected to be the conduit on the field. when he's playing it forward he can get the ball to giovinco and altidore, when he plays it back he's playing to.. you see where i'm going with this. you'll see him getting the ball from the back line under duress a lot.

I find a lot of his giveaways are that he just runs into guys while trying to go past them ... so I was thinking it might be if he doesn't see a pass he tries to barrel through and gets caught, and that might be the fault of the other guys not being available in good positions. But I really don't know (I'm certainly no expert on tactics and positioning).


I think lead commentator is Calum Williams who used to do SKC broadcasts

And the colour guy kept mentioning how he knows Dominic Kinnear ... so he is either a former player or coach in MLS. Don't know who it was though.

Dub Narcotic
05-30-2015, 06:28 PM
Bradley was great tonight with his distribution. Great game for TFC overall minus the one goofy Morgan moment.

Blowing Bubbles
05-30-2015, 06:31 PM
basically, i know a lot of people who'll say "lol TFC is shit" while they like barca, real, man u and inter on facebook.



These people are jackasses. Local matches in Iran, Chile, Malaysia, etc, etc all over the world get monster crowds because people want to watch some live football and cheer on their local side ..... just because it's not Barcelona vs Juventus doesn't mean it's not worth watching.

Reminds me of a muppet I saw at the MLC Cup match in TO (Dallas vs Colorado) ..... guy was wearing a Chelsea toque and Man Utd coat ..... like really?

notthesun
05-30-2015, 06:32 PM
Brownie points for Bezbatchenko. Acquisition of Zavaleta looking damn good right now. He looks really comfortable out there and doesn't seem to suffer from "rash challenge syndrome" that we've seen in Henry and Hagglund.

Morrow was a beast today. Absolutely shut down Salinas, really San Jose's only threat from midfield. And of course his goal was excellent.

I wrote a long post criticizing Moore's runs a week or so ago. Maybe he read it because his run for his goal was perfection. I want to see more of that.

Bradley and Cheyrou with solid performances as well. And Giovinco, what is there left to say at this point. Best player in the league by a fucking mile. Nobody else could have taken over this game like he did today. How on earth Osorio didn't finish that gift of a pass I'll never know.

anto7
05-30-2015, 06:33 PM
Bradley was great tonight with his distribution. Great game for TFC overall minus the one goofy Morgan moment.
Take away that one bad moment from Morgan but other than that he had a really good game again. And Morrow was even better.
Zavaletta very solid, Bradley very good but of course Giovinco on another level from everyone else. And let's just give Moore a little credit for the perfectly timed run for his goal. Enjoy the win boys, it was not perfect but we are seeing some of the best attacking soccer we have ever seen from this team.

anto7
05-30-2015, 06:34 PM
Brownie points for Bezbatchenko. Acquisition of Zavaleta looking damn good right now. He looks really comfortable out there and doesn't seem to suffer from "rash challenge syndrome" that we've seen in Henry and Hagglund.

Morrow was a beast today. Absolutely shut down Salinas, really San Jose's only threat from midfield. And of course his goal was excellent.

I wrote a long post criticizing Moore's runs a week or so ago. Maybe he read it because his run for his goal was perfection. I want to see more of that.

Bradley and Cheyrou with solid performances as well. And Giovinco, what is there left to say at this point. Best player in the league by a fucking mile. Nobody else could have taken over this game like he did today. How on earth Osorio didn't finish that gift of a pass I'll never know.

Agree with everything you wrote there

Couchy81
05-30-2015, 06:37 PM
Well that was an absolutely pleasant experience.

billyfly
05-30-2015, 06:38 PM
Giovinco for TFC and Donaldson for the Jays. 2 best pro athletes in TO right now.

notthesun
05-30-2015, 06:39 PM
http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/915160/LiveStatistics/USA-Major-League-Soccer-2015-Toronto-FC-San-Jose-Earthquakes

Giovinco with 11 chances created today (shots + key passes). That's just bonkers.

Zavaleta had a huge performance as well.

ronzilla
05-30-2015, 06:40 PM
relax the guy scored a tap in sitter from 2 feet lol. he's been totally useless all game.. until that goal i totally forgot moore was even in the game. if anything the credit goes to seba for actually gifting him a tap in goal.

Yeah I agree with you, aside from the tap-in, Moore has done nothing and was invisible the entire game and does not deserve to be in the starting lineup.

ronzilla
05-30-2015, 06:44 PM
Man, really wanted to see Seba score. He was a BEAST the whole game. 2 assists and 2 off the bar. Sometimes I think he is just fckn around with the league lol

ManUtd4ever
05-30-2015, 06:50 PM
Most dominant effort of the season so far, and San Jose is a quality side.

I really like the direction in which this team has been trending lately under Vanney. I can't recall a TFC squad that was so fluid on the attack, and our defensive coverage continues to improve.

Greatest Ripoff
05-30-2015, 06:50 PM
I'm watching it on Sky and the commentators here are great. They know MLS and they're not giving the typical snide remarks all the time that you sometimes get.

Yes, the sky commentators were great. Who was doing the colour? It was an scottish ex Huston player. I am bummed as there are no more TFC matches scheduled for the next two months on sky. I got a little spoiled with them being on so much lately.

James17930
05-30-2015, 06:51 PM
Yeah I agree with you, aside from the tap-in, Moore has done nothing and was invisible the entire game and does not deserve to be in the starting lineup.

Well, just to give the other side of the argument, the Sky commentators today were saying how Moore is really more of a 'hold-up' striker ... more of a #9 (not quite in the Dichio or Koevermans 'collect long balls' mode, but similar). And you kind of saw that with his assist on Gio's goal last week, and his assist on Creavalle's goal today.

I don't know ... thoughts?

Yohan
05-30-2015, 06:53 PM
Yes, the sky commentators were great. Who was doing the colour? It was an scottish ex Huston player. I am bummed as there are no more TFC matches scheduled for the next two months on sky. I got a little spoiled with them being on so much lately.
I didn't hear the Sky broadcast, but the colour commentator is usually David Prutton or former Portland coach John Spencer

stevep
05-30-2015, 06:55 PM
I have tfc coming in at 52pts this season

these are the projected odds from betfair.com that i average for the rest of tfc's 14 home games
1.9pts per game average, multiply home win probability by 3 points for a win, multiply home tie probability by 1 point
decimal betting odds are converted to probability



home win odds
1.82
55%
1.6


home tie odds
3.7
27%
0.3


home loss odds
5.55
18%




1.00

1.9



i averaged 1 pts per game for each away game, using same methodology tie on the road is around 28%, win on the road is around 25%
they have 16pts now, add 14 home games times 1.9 equals 26.5 more points this season at home, and 9 more points on the road this year (9 road games X 1 pt per game) equals 52pts
this assumes no major injuries to the 3 dp stars of the team especially giovenco

Greatest Ripoff
05-30-2015, 06:55 PM
Yeah I agree with you, aside from the tap-in, Moore has done nothing and was invisible the entire game and does not deserve to be in the starting lineup.

Moore has his limitation but if you think he didn't do anything else all game, I am not sure what you were watching. I though some of his movement off the ball was pretty good. Got himself into good positions to receive the ball and was creating space for Giovinco.

Greatest Ripoff
05-30-2015, 06:57 PM
I didn't hear the Sky broadcast, but the colour commentator is usually David Prutton or former Portland coach John Spencer

Thanks, it must have been Spencer.

James17930
05-30-2015, 07:01 PM
Attendance was only 17711. Hopefully that's just a weather-related anomaly.

Greatest Ripoff
05-30-2015, 07:01 PM
and his assist on Creavalle's goal today.

I don't know ... thoughts?


Forgot about him setting up the second. I guess this is really measure of how far Toronto has improved when they win 3-1, the striker scores a goal, sets up another and people still moan about what terrible game he had.

oranje boven
05-30-2015, 07:03 PM
No negatives at all today.
Held off early pressure in 2nd half.
1st goal started with Moore holding up the ball and then some nice passes.
Love how Cheyrou talks to the back line.
Great drop passes from Bradley.
And Gio! Best single game ever by a TFC player ?

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 07:07 PM
Moore had a great game

flatpicker
05-30-2015, 07:09 PM
After a rough patch during the long road trip, this team is really starting to come together. This looks to be the most promising season we have ever had. 4-1-1 in the last 6? Feels good.

Blixa
05-30-2015, 07:33 PM
It was a great game that easily could have ended 5-1. Giovinco would have to be marked by two players to be neutralized in this league. He's unstoppable.

jloome
05-30-2015, 07:51 PM
It was a great game that easily could have ended 5-1. Giovinco would have to be marked by two players to be neutralized in this league. He's unstoppable.

Everyone looks stronger in their position as a result. And maybe they are; Osorio is really proving himself this season, same with Zavaleta; and Creavalle is starting to show for the potential he has.

I'm not sure people understand Luke Moore's game; when he was young at Villa, he was a speed demon. But through a combination of growth and injury he lost that third gear and switched to being a target forward, a hold-up guy. He distributes and he occupies the central defenders. He did it really, really well today.

Anyone watching him today who thought he was lazy or useless is letting their preconceptions get in the way of reality. And that run for the goal was perfectly timed.

Blixa
05-30-2015, 07:57 PM
Bradley's been playing great too. The quality of his passing really picked up as of late. He's just carving up all this space for Giovinco to run into. Fuck, SJ were lucky Altidore wasn't on the field because it would have been a gangbang.

jabbronies
05-30-2015, 07:59 PM
Brownie points for Bezbatchenko. Acquisition of Zavaleta looking damn good right now. He looks really comfortable out there and doesn't seem to suffer from "rash challenge syndrome" that we've seen in Henry and Hagglund.

I think Zavaleta was a Vanney pick. Zavaleta is Vanney's Nephew.




I wrote a long post criticizing Moore's runs a week or so ago. Maybe he read it because his run for his goal was perfection. I want to see more of that.


Moore had a shit game today. Aside from the goal which was all Giovinco - he did squat.

PopePouri
05-30-2015, 08:03 PM
Moore has his limitation but if you think he didn't do anything else all game, I am not sure what you were watching. I though some of his movement off the ball was pretty good. Got himself into good positions to receive the ball and was creating space for Giovinco.

https://i.imgflip.com/m8f7x.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/m8f7x)

AdamAM
05-30-2015, 08:06 PM
Osorio's best game ever in a TFC jersey. By a mile. A MILE!!!!!!!!

notthesun
05-30-2015, 08:15 PM
Moore had a shit game today. Aside from the goal which was all Giovinco - he did squat.

One goal, one assist, 3rd highest pass completion rate, I'll take a few more shit games.

backbeat
05-30-2015, 08:15 PM
Osorio's best game ever in a TFC jersey. By a mile. A MILE!!!!!!!!


i'm sorry...did you mean 1.6 km?? g:D

AdamAM
05-30-2015, 08:23 PM
i'm sorry...did you mean 1.6 km?? g:D

hahaha by a kilometre didn't quite have the same ring to it :coolgleam:

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 08:25 PM
and this is why some people laugh at the MLS because you have fans that actually rate players like luke moore lol.. the guys work rate is so poor that it's laughable.. he scores a tap in and all of a sudden people are acting as if the guy is a good player or even decent lol people say balotelli has poor work rate but he's a race horse when compared to luke moore.. next time you watch TFC play just watch his movements off the ball. the guy is literally walking around lol.. he could have had at least 3 goal's today if he was attacking crosses in the box and not jogging.. even the ESPN announcers called him out in the game against man city for not attacking a cross in the box.. yea i know your excuse will be "it was a friendly" lol the guy has a reputation for being a lazy player lol thats exactly why he couldn't cut it in the higher leagues in England. like i've said they didn't give him the nick name lazy luke moore over there for no reason.. the fact that people on here are actually trying to suggest luke moore is even a decent player is just laughable and sad at the same time.. i understand the homer mentality because he's a TFC player but the guy is doo doo stains and should be thanking his lucky star's he's even playing at this level because he's a English league 2 player at best. players like him with poor work rate are stealing a living in this league. just watch him off the ball and you'll see not 1 F is given. thats exactly why the announcer on ESPN called him out because he probably knows that's why he didn't cut in the higher leagues in England.. he can't finish and he's a lazy player.. there are players that can't finish but work hard off the ball. luke moore doesn't do any of those things well. if you're actually rating this player im telling you flat out that you do not know what a good or even decent striker is. people are actually knocking the English fans that were ripping him on twitter today lol sure some of it were over the top but thats because he was garbage at Aston Villa, West Brom and swansea.. he played a full season in turkey where he couldn't even score 1 goal.. so when these English fans that know his history see him starting next to players like giovinco now it's just laughable to them. the fact some people are rating this man here just makes TFC/ the MLS look bad.

Joe Kool
05-30-2015, 08:26 PM
MLS Soccer site posts crack me up. Last year there was a lot of "just because you spend the money doesn't mean you win anything". This year is "they are only winning because they spent the money". We can't win. The league's fans want us to be eternally their whipping boys to laugh at each year. All scared TFC will do well. Hopefully we continue to get results. I enjoy watching games where we are not just being defensive for a change.

jiforio
05-30-2015, 08:45 PM
I'm a happy camper today! I thought EVERYONE played extremely well and we had a great TEAM performance. Even Luke Moore and Creavalle managed to have a productive performance.

I hope we continue this winning streak! Go REDS!!

Cashcleaner
05-30-2015, 08:55 PM
one goal, one assist, 3rd highest pass completion rate, i'll take a few more shit games.

Post of the Day.

I just don't get the stick Moore has been getting lately despite his contribution to our recent results.

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 09:05 PM
look at the year lol

http://www.talk-sports.net/pl/sucks.aspx/Luke_Moore


:lol:

http://g1.flamingtext.ft-uc.com/MjAxNTA1MzA/flamingtext_com_MjExMzQ5MjY3NjY1.jpg

Couchy81
05-30-2015, 09:16 PM
Nothing like debating Luke Moore's work rate on a Saturday night after a home win on a TFC supporters forum.

:smilielol5:

Richard
05-30-2015, 09:21 PM
Someone should really change that profile picture on his wiki though, its not very flattering.

pdubs
05-30-2015, 09:22 PM
Great game. Should have been 5 or 6 to 1.

Fuck that rain was heavyyyyy.

TearsForCheers
05-30-2015, 09:25 PM
Not sure if this has been said already, but as well as the team performed today, I thought the crowd was in fine form tonight. The south end was the loudest I've heard it for at least a couple of years.

GuelphStorm2007
05-30-2015, 09:26 PM
That was a pretty heavy rainfall but this team is getting better week after week nice to see a Toronto team with a .500 record.

GuelphStorm2007
05-30-2015, 09:27 PM
Hopefully there will more victories leading to bigger crowds at games..

GuelphStorm2007
05-30-2015, 09:28 PM
Whats with all the Luke Moore hate .

khso11
05-30-2015, 09:32 PM
Luke Moore had an average game today, got the job done. But Giovinco is just our very own Messi, what a player he is!

prizby
05-30-2015, 09:33 PM
and this is why some people laugh at the MLS because you have fans that actually rate players like luke moore lol.. the guys work rate is so poor that it's laughable.. he scores a tap in and all of a sudden people are acting as if the guy is a good player or even decent lol

you discredit all his hold up play; challenging for every ball kicked forward by Konopka; combination play with bradley/gio not to mention how lazy luke moore had to have been to beat his man to the inside for that tap in.

OgtheDim
05-30-2015, 09:34 PM
and this is why some people laugh at the MLS because you have fans that actually rate players like luke moore lol.. .


What the EFF were you watching?

Oh wait, you wern't watching cause.......


YOU SPENT HALF THE GAME FINDING TWITTER STUFF FROM ENGLAND TO PROVE YOUR POINT.


You have no clue of forward play in this league.

None.


Stop relying upon people who don't watch the league. Oh, sorry, you had one Taylor Twellman comment from a mid week friendly that just proves for all of us that Moore is a crap MLS player.

trane
05-30-2015, 09:52 PM
I am not one that really cares about work rate for strikers too much, for me, work rate is above a good measuring stick for mids because they need to be active to be effective. Now for striker I care that they created and/or capitalize on chances. Moore did that, good game.

If work rate was the real measuring stick for strikers then Barret would be a great striker.

Jack
05-30-2015, 09:59 PM
I've watched the condensed match on MLS Live twice. I think I'll watch it again.

Jack
05-30-2015, 10:04 PM
Our defence is much better. Zavaleta is playing well.

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 10:10 PM
What the EFF were you watching?

Oh wait, you wern't watching cause.......


YOU SPENT HALF THE GAME FINDING TWITTER STUFF FROM ENGLAND TO PROVE YOUR POINT.


You have no clue of forward play in this league.

None.


Stop relying upon people who don't watch the league. Oh, sorry, you had one Taylor Twellman comment from a mid week friendly that just proves for all of us that Moore is a crap MLS player. lol you are not going to convince real soccer fans that luke moore is even a decent player lol.. stop it with the homer mentality and rating him because he's a TFC player when you know deep down he's booty juice. he's is what he is and thats a striker with poor work rate that can't put the ball in the net.. that was his 7th or 8th goal in a TFC uniform lol. how many goal does seba have ? how long has luke moore been here ? how long has seba been here ? we all know he's not on seba's level but seba hasn't even played 15 league games and he's already close to having the same number of goals as moore. don't tell me moore was a sub because he played a lot when defoe was out. luke moore hahahaha are you serious ? smh i will not take any soccer fan serious for trying convince me that luke moore is even a decent player lol when fans from different teams that you play for all called you lazy luke moore that says a lot about your work rate. yet some TFC fans are actually rating him lol.. it just makes our fan base look bad... this guy couldn't even put the ball in the net in the Turkish league ... he couldn't even score 1 goal there lol you're trying to tell me luke f ...ing moore is a good player and expect me to actually take you serious lol smh

trane
05-30-2015, 10:14 PM
Our defence is much better. Zavaleta is playing well.

I have liked him since the Montreal game, and was surprised not too see him start the week after.

trane
05-30-2015, 10:17 PM
lol you are not going to convince real soccer fans that luke moore is even a decent player lol.. stop it with the homer mentality and rating him because he's a TFC player when you know deep down he's booty juice. he's is what he is and thats a striker with poor work rate that can't put the ball in the net.. that was his 7th or 8th goal in a TFC uniform lol.. luke moore hahahaha are you serious ? smh i will not take any soccer fan serious for trying convince me that luke moore is even a decent player lol when fans from different teams that you play for all called you lazy luke moore that says a lot about your work rate. yet some TFC fans are actually rating him lol.. it just makes our fan base look bad... this guy couldn't even put the ball in the net in the Turkish league ... he couldn't even score 1 goal there lol you're trying to tell me luke f ...ing moore is a good player and expect me to actually take you serious lol smh

Who the fuck is telling you that anyone thinks that Luke Moore is the second coming of Van Basten???? calm down.

He is a second string guy who when given a chance will score goals. Which is all we need from him, not the work rate of Vidal.

Jack
05-30-2015, 10:19 PM
lol you are not going to convince real soccer fans that luke moore is even a decent player lol.. stop it with the homer mentality and rating him because he's a TFC player when you know deep down he's booty juice. he's is what he is and thats a striker with poor work rate that can't put the ball in the net.. that was his 7th or 8th goal in a TFC uniform lol.. luke moore hahahaha are you serious ? smh i will not take any soccer fan serious for trying convince me that luke moore is even a decent player lol when fans from different teams that you play for all called you lazy luke moore that says a lot about your work rate. yet some TFC fans are actually rating him lol.. it just makes our fan base look bad... this guy couldn't even put the ball in the net in the Turkish league ... he couldn't even score 1 goal there lol you're trying to tell me luke f ...ing moore is a good player and expect me to actually take you serious lol smh
You don't have to agree, but tearing down someone's credibility because you disagree is not how we discuss things here. Moore had a good match. I just saw him bust his ass to get into position to take a pass (75th minute) plus he made a nice play on Creavalle's goal. If you'd like to give examples of his poor play, please do so, but quoting Twitter and saying his history makes him bad is a thin argument. Players usually continue to grow in their careers and Moore is 29, so he's not done yet. He has been serviceable and I doubt Giovinco will complain about how he played today. Please show me the times today he was lazy and made bad plays. Otherwise, saying he was useless in a match where he had a goal and an assist and generally linked up well with his partner is silly, especially if you use Twitter and fans of his old teams, rather than your eyes and the actual match, as your source.

TorontoFC6fan
05-30-2015, 10:31 PM
You don't have to agree, but tearing down someone's credibility because you disagree is not how we discuss things here. Moore had a good match. I just saw him bust his ass to get into position to take a pass (75th minute) plus he made a nice play on Creavalle's goal. If you'd like to give examples of his poor play, please do so, but quoting Twitter and saying his history makes him bad is a thin argument. Players usually continue to grow in their careers and Moore is 29, so he's not done yet. He has been serviceable and I doubt Giovinco will complain about how he played today. Please show me the times today he was lazy and made bad plays. Otherwise, saying he was useless in a match where he had a goal and an assist and generally linked up well with his partner is silly, especially if you use Twitter and fans of his old teams, rather than your eyes and the actual match, as your source. have you watched him play the last couple games before today's game ? 90% of his shots end up in row z.. like i said he could have scored at least 3 goals today if decided to attack the the ball in the box.. he did it one time and got a tap in goal.. i saw seba crossing the ball many times (including morrows goal) and moore is just jogging into the box.. thats why he's got the name lazy luke moore.. he's been doing it his whole career.. the guy would get a lot more goals if he attack crosses more often. lets not forget the 2 on 1 he had with seba vs the timbers when he decided cut infront of seba the moment he was about to shoot lol instead of going wide for the pass he cut in front of seba when he was loading up lol too lazy to go wide.

Jack
05-30-2015, 10:35 PM
have you watched him play the last couple games before today's game ? 90% of his shots end up in row z.. like i said he could have scored at least 3 goals today if decided to attack the the ball in the box.. he did it one time and got a tap in goal.. i saw seba crossing the ball many times (including morrows goal) and moore is just jogging into the box.. thats why he's got the name lazy luke moore.. he's been doing it his whole career.. the guy would get a lot more goals if he attack the crosses more often.
I don't disagree with you. He isn't anything special, but in our league, he's what we get. And he contributed to two goals today in a solid win, so I'll take it.

Calcio
05-30-2015, 10:38 PM
I thought Luke Moore was good today. I thought his work-rate was solid, and he was serviceable. Typically, a striker (#9) isn't a guy who is going to have a ton of touches (Defoe/G. Higuain typically have among the fewest touches on the team). His job is to hold up play, and score. For those who said he wasn't noticeable, unless its a player like Carlos Tevez or Wayne Rooney who plays very a deep, a striker isn't going to be that noticeable. Quite honestly, I have no doubt Luke Moore could play in the starting 11. IMO a #9 is one of the most overrated positions unless the player is exceptional (ie: creates his own chances or is that good at getting into scoring positions). Quite honestly, I'd have no problem keeping a duo like Findley/Moore and rotating them beside Giovinco and using the DP that is being used on Altidore on a different position. It's not a knock against Altidore, it is more that the #9 completely relies on service, and at the MLS level, unless you're buying an insanely good striker, the marginal benefit of having Jozy Altidore over Luke Moore beside Giovinco isn't going to be as high as the marginal benefit of having a DP quality centreback or another DP quality central midfielder, particularly the latter.

Would also like to point out for Luke Moore:
-Whoscored has one of his strong attributes as "defensive contribution"
-He was also tied for third on the team in tackles.

That doesn't look lazy to me.

backbeat
05-30-2015, 10:55 PM
Giovinco is just our very own Messi, what a player he is!



...this...

he is a joy to watch - i am so happy he's a red

also i don't know if anyone else saw this at the end of the game or if it is at all significant but when Vanney was out on the pitch shaking players hands Giovinco seems to brush right by him - it stood out to me....maybe i'm over interpreting but he brushed right by him without stopping - it was almost awkward....

Alonso
05-30-2015, 10:57 PM
seriously how is Luke moore still in the starting 11 on this team ? since this game is being broadcast in the UK they are having a nice laugh at the luke moore on twitter..

‏@TomArnold1994 (https://twitter.com/TomArnold1994) 20m20 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/TomArnold1994/status/604764610613391360) Only in the MLS could a player as bad as Luke Moore flick on a header for a player as good as Sebastien Giovinco #wba (https://twitter.com/hashtag/wba?src=hash)

@graha1874 (https://twitter.com/graha1874) 20m20 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/graha1874/status/604764490190712832)
Stuck some money on Toronto FC and then find out they've got Luke Moore playing up front for them #stinking (https://twitter.com/hashtag/stinking?src=hash)

‏@RyanThomas_94 (https://twitter.com/RyanThomas_94) 33m33 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/RyanThomas_94/status/604771762975424512) Luke Moore plays in MLS. Why?


‏@arleneisaboot (https://twitter.com/arleneisaboot) 34m34 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/arleneisaboot/status/604761420669054976)
No Jozy Altidore and a virtually empty stadium at Toronto means I'm not watching a 5th game of the day. Luke Moore though?!



@ThisisWavey (https://twitter.com/ThisisWavey) 18m18 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ThisisWavey/status/604764854193405952) Luke moore is useless #tfc

(https://twitter.com/hashtag/tfc?src=hash)Everybody knows this guy is doo doo except vanny. just let hamilton start.


A goal and an assist isn't bad for a doo doo player I'd say....

LOL he made you and all the twitterverse arm chair analysts eat your words.

Bluenose13
05-30-2015, 11:01 PM
A goal and an assist isn't bad for a doo doo player I'd say....

LOL he made you and all the twitterverse arm chair analysts eat your words.he's still doo-doo and shouldn't be starting.

Alonso
05-30-2015, 11:03 PM
Most dominant effort of the season so far, and San Jose is a quality side.

I really like the direction in which this team has been trending lately under Vanney. I can't recall a TFC squad that was so fluid on the attack, and our defensive coverage continues to improve.

Totally agree on all counts.... also we found goals from supporting players today, this is a good sign.

Jack
05-30-2015, 11:05 PM
How about Konopka settling down and playing well the last few matches?

Alonso
05-30-2015, 11:05 PM
he's still doo-doo and shouldn't be starting.


When Altidore is back he won't be, but in this league he is better than average depth on a fair salary.

Alonso
05-30-2015, 11:09 PM
Everyone looks stronger in their position as a result. And maybe they are; Osorio is really proving himself this season, same with Zavaleta; and Creavalle is starting to show for the potential he has.

I'm not sure people understand Luke Moore's game; when he was young at Villa, he was a speed demon. But through a combination of growth and injury he lost that third gear and switched to being a target forward, a hold-up guy. He distributes and he occupies the central defenders. He did it really, really well today.

Anyone watching him today who thought he was lazy or useless is letting their preconceptions get in the way of reality. And that run for the goal was perfectly timed.


This is the last time I'll reiterate.... but Moore is excellent depth in this capped league.

I agree with you completely.

Alonso
05-30-2015, 11:13 PM
and this is why some people laugh at the MLS because you have fans that actually rate players like luke moore lol.. the guys work rate is so poor that it's laughable.. he scores a tap in and all of a sudden people are acting as if the guy is a good player or even decent lol people say balotelli has poor work rate but he's a race horse when compared to luke moore.. next time you watch TFC play just watch his movements off the ball. the guy is literally walking around lol.. he could have had at least 3 goal's today if he was attacking crosses in the box and not jogging.. even the ESPN announcers called him out in the game against man city for not attacking a cross in the box.. yea i know your excuse will be "it was a friendly" lol the guy has a reputation for being a lazy player lol thats exactly why he couldn't cut it in the higher leagues in England. like i've said they didn't give him the nick name lazy luke moore over there for no reason.. the fact that people on here are actually trying to suggest luke moore is even a decent player is just laughable and sad at the same time.. i understand the homer mentality because he's a TFC player but the guy is doo doo stains and should be thanking his lucky star's he's even playing at this level because he's a English league 2 player at best. players like him with poor work rate are stealing a living in this league. just watch him off the ball and you'll see not 1 F is given. thats exactly why the announcer on ESPN called him out because he probably knows that's why he didn't cut in the higher leagues in England.. he can't finish and he's a lazy player.. there are players that can't finish but work hard off the ball. luke moore doesn't do any of those things well. if you're actually rating this player im telling you flat out that you do not know what a good or even decent striker is. people are actually knocking the English fans that were ripping him on twitter today lol sure some of it were over the top but thats because he was garbage at Aston Villa, West Brom and swansea.. he played a full season in turkey where he couldn't even score 1 goal.. so when these English fans that know his history see him starting next to players like giovinco now it's just laughable to them. the fact some people are rating this man here just makes TFC/ the MLS look bad.


Dude we can only buy three DP's, and then are limited to spend ~ $2.5 million on the rest of the team.

Give your head a shake.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Bishop Blaize
05-30-2015, 11:14 PM
he's still doo-doo and shouldn't be starting.

He wouldn't be if Jozy was fit. He's a squad player and did a good job today. What more do you want from a squad player. A goal and an assist against an in form team. Not a bad return........

Ultra & Proud
05-30-2015, 11:19 PM
Honestly, nothing and no one to complain about for the second straight week. A few weeks ago, I had Vanney, Moore, and Creavalle on my ultimate shit list. Since then all have been good to great. If I can shut up about them then everyone can and should.

Alonso
05-30-2015, 11:23 PM
How about Konopka settling down and playing well the last few matches?


Yeah he's making a strong case for the starting position in my opinion.

His distribution and handling crosses seems to be better than Bendik right now....

Calcio
05-30-2015, 11:30 PM
Dude we can only buy three DP's, and then are limited to spend ~ $2.5 million on the rest of the team.

Give your head a shake.

You don't know what your talking about.

That's exactly it. To me Luke Moore is the least of the problems. We have worse liabilities at other positions that are more important. If you put Giovinco beside a half decent MLS striker that can finish, he will produce. So for me, Altidore probably isn't best DP allocation. Having another central mid or even a central defender would be a better use of the DP slot. That being said, there is 0 chance that happens. It is just consistent with my view that #9s are a bad allocation of DP slots. The best IMO, secondary strikers (like Giovinco), holding mids (Bradley, Frings), central defenders (Matteo Ferrari wasn't a DP I don't think, but he was an anchor for the impact), and attacking mids (Kaka). #9s & fullbacks in particular are not involved in the game enough.

Bishop Blaize
05-30-2015, 11:34 PM
he's still doo-doo and shouldn't be starting.

He wouldn't be if Jozy was fit. He's a squad player and did a good job today. What more do you want from a squad player. A goal and an assist against an in form team. Not a bad return........

JohnnyEnglish
05-30-2015, 11:45 PM
Find a 3/4th choice striker in this league without limitations in their ability.

Moore had a decent game, and in the right situation can do a job. An advanced forward who can hold up the play, especially when you are defending deep and putting little pressure on the ball has it's value both defensively and offensively, especially when playing with a pacey player such as giovinco, or being able to drop the ball inside to Bradley or cheyrou to retain possession.

He did that well enough today.

tfcocd
05-30-2015, 11:55 PM
lol .. he couldn't even score 1 goal there lol you're trying to tell me luke f ...ing moore is a good player and expect me to actually take you serious lol smh

1 goal and assist on winning goal, tracked back to break plays. You seem to be trolling, you should have one of those 'red' reputation warnings.

boozilla
05-31-2015, 12:20 AM
How about Konopka settling down and playing well the last few matches?
I've been a big fan since he stole us that huge point in the NER game. The defensive line has settled in as well, though.
I'd like to see him try and aim his monster goal-kicks to our players a bit more, but I say, keep him in.

Joe Kool
05-31-2015, 01:09 AM
From what I have seen I like Konopka better than Bendik now that the nerves have settled. He seems more of a presence in the box for corners and crosses and just seems quicker to react to various plays. The beard may get in his way eventually depending on how long he will grow it. I say nothing past ZZ Top length.

habstfc
05-31-2015, 01:50 AM
[QUOTE=flatpicker;1745431]After a rough patch during the long road trip, this team is really starting to come together. This looks to be the most promising season we have ever had. 4

Great game today, teams coming together nicely. 4-1-1 and only conceding 4 goals, 2 of them on PK's, not bad.

Brooker
05-31-2015, 04:01 AM
the fact some people are rating this man here just makes TFC/ the MLS look bad.

Look bad in who's eyes? I'm sorry, who exactly are we trying to impress?

We convinced Giovinco to come here. I couldn't give 2 shits what people on the internet think.

Pookie
05-31-2015, 07:14 AM
Too bad the table doesn't mean much, otherwise I think the support behind this team would be growing stronger amongst the Toronto sports community.

This appears to be a good team getting more organized as we go.

Batman
05-31-2015, 07:22 AM
Giovinco for TFC and Donaldson for the Jays. 2 best pro athletes in TO right now. Yep. That is 100% true.

stevep
05-31-2015, 07:24 AM
I thought it was $436.000 max per guy, so $3.5m-$1.3m=$2.2M. then i figured out you have to spend around $1.2M on 4 quality defenders and quality goalie to compete.
That leaves you $1M to spend on rest of team. So stop debating Luke Moore, he is fine for the money TFC is paying him.
two games jozy is out, two games moore is in two wins,

Pookie
05-31-2015, 07:47 AM
I thought it was $436.000 max per guy, so $3.5m-$1.3m=$2.2M. then i figured out you have to spend around $1.2M on 4 quality defenders and quality goalie to compete.
That leaves you $1M to spend on rest of team. So stop debating Luke Moore, he is fine for the money TFC is paying him.
two games jozy is out, two games moore is in two wins,

Just a clarification that gets my knickers in a bunch.

TFC isn't paying Moore anything.

MLS is paying Moore. Moore's contract is held, signed with and paid by the league. As are the vast majority of MLS players. If there is an issue with any player's terms, conditions, salaries… that's on MLS not TFC.

Secondly, as a result of that, TFC doesn't really "sign" anyone for the most part. They choose contracts from the signed player pool. Internationals are a bit different in that they can make discovery signings and bring players to the MLS talent pool that they can keep. Again though, the contract is negotiated with, signed by and held with the league. The majority of the roster comes from players signed to the league and selected by teams to play for them.

OgtheDim
05-31-2015, 07:48 AM
I thought it was $436.000 max per guy, so $3.5m-$1.3m=$2.2M. then i figured out you have to spend around $1.2M on 4 quality defenders and quality goalie to compete.
...

Most MLS teams spend 150K each on keepers and a quality FB and about 200K each on any quality CD. But almost all of them have somebody in around 40 to 70K, like a Hagglund or a Morgan.

Toronto is spending about 350K each on Perquis and Caldwell.

Oh, and Pookie, you're right but the proper term is spending as TFC is spending a budget as outlined/provided by MLS. In this case the discussion is how much to spend within that framework.

Pookie
05-31-2015, 08:15 AM
Oh, and Pookie, you're right but the proper term is spending as TFC is spending a budget as outlined/provided by MLS. In this case the discussion is how much to spend within that framework.

Technically though, isn't' the choice about who to "spend" on? The "how much" part has already been contracted by MLS.

I see it more like a fantasy draft. You have been allocated points and you choose players to fill your roster that have already been assigned points.

Semantics I guess.

The main point is that TFC doesn't choose the contract values for a Morrow or Morgan or etc, etc. MLS does. TFC fits those players in under an assigned budget, like a fantasy draft. And being over budget isn't really a problem in most cases with allocation money that MLS flexes for its own reasons. (Or technically, "For reasons as deemed appropriate by the Competition Committee")

MightyDM
05-31-2015, 08:46 AM
Technically though, isn't' the choice about who to "spend" on? The "how much" part has already been contracted by MLS.

I see it more like a fantasy draft. You have been allocated points and you choose players to fill your roster that have already been assigned points.

Semantics I guess.

The main point is that TFC doesn't choose the contract values for a Morrow or Morgan or etc, etc. MLS does. TFC fits those players in under an assigned budget, like a fantasy draft. And being over budget isn't really a problem in most cases with allocation money that MLS flexes for its own reasons. (Or technically, "For reasons as deemed appropriate by the Competition Committee")

Thats not how it actually works though Pookie - the clubs negotiate and choose players within the rules, and MLS signs off, or not. Sometimes they are involved earlier in the process but with Morgan, for example, TFC signed him and MLS agreed, he wasn't part of a pool. Same with Moore - TFC traded with another team, they didn't go to MLS and ask for a striker from the pool of players.

FRANKIE65
05-31-2015, 08:54 AM
Not sure if this has been said already, but as well as the team performed today, I thought the crowd was in fine form tonight. The south end was the loudest I've heard it for at least a couple of years.


Hopefully there will more victories leading to bigger crowds at games..

Crap weather days bring out true supporters. The crowd may have been smaller, but, the 4000 "Ken and Barbies" that didn't show don't really contribute much to atmosphere anyways.
It was a BLAST being there yesterday!!!!

tfcocd
05-31-2015, 09:22 AM
Crap weather days bring out true supporters. The crowd may have been smaller, but, the 4000 "Ken and Barbies" that didn't show don't really contribute much to atmosphere anyways.
It was a BLAST being there yesterday!!!!

wasnt able to attend in person but watched the game later in the evening. On TV the atmosphere sounded great. Also got to watch some of the great build up plays on replay a few times and that first goal really got me out of my seat or couch in this case.

If the atmosphere is that good in open air I am really looking forward to the roof adding even more intensity to home games. With the south end full of supporters and flanked with 111, is 211 the next potential supporters section? Again thinking with a roof that will add even more to the wall of sound.

Derko
05-31-2015, 09:41 AM
he's still doo-doo and shouldn't be starting.

And won't be when Jozy returns to the lineup, just a comment

jabbronies
05-31-2015, 09:49 AM
One goal, one assist, 3rd highest pass completion rate, I'll take a few more shit games.

Stats only tell part of the story.

Curious where you got the pass completion rate stat from? I can't find it on MLS website

Greatest Ripoff
05-31-2015, 09:59 AM
Stats only tell part of the story.

I completely aggre. There are no stats to show the space he created for Giovinco.

tfcleeds
05-31-2015, 10:06 AM
Reminds me of a muppet I saw at the MLC Cup match in TO (Dallas vs Colorado) ..... guy was wearing a Chelsea toque and Man Utd coat ..... like really?

People like this are a waste of skin. End of.

jabbronies
05-31-2015, 10:07 AM
A goal and an assist isn't bad for a doo doo player I'd say....

LOL he made you and all the twitterverse arm chair analysts eat your words.

I don't think anyone will be eating their words because aside from a couple small plays - he did shit all.
He wasn't where he needed to be. If he wasn't walking around the pitch like a lazy ass he probably wouldn't have people rightly calling him out.

Unfortunately he will always be lazy and if Gio has an off game or Creavalle doesn't keep scoring scorchers from the top of the box - I don't see how Moore can keep up what he did yesterday.

He's a good bench option, but I wouldn't be singing his praises or demanding he become a starter. Until Altidore comes back he needs to keep scoring.

jabbronies
05-31-2015, 10:09 AM
I completely aggre. There are no stats to show the space he created for Giovinco.


hahahahahahahahaha

He created space for Gio???

hahahahahaha

What game where you watching?

tfcleeds
05-31-2015, 10:24 AM
Arguably one of the best performances in our history, and all the conversation seems to be focused on how bad Moore is. Look, we won today, and very impressively at that. Moore isn't great, sure, but he's what we've got with Altidore out. He scored a goal (albeit one that Seba totally created).

Look, if he had cost us 3 points by missing a sitter, yeah, I'd get tarring and feathering the guy. But he didn't. Can't we just bask in a great victory for once? I swear, sometimes I think this message board would be inactive if people didn't have something to complain about.

Greatest Ripoff
05-31-2015, 10:39 AM
hahahahahahahahaha

He created space for Gio???

hahahahahaha

What game where you watching?

Do you really need me explain how football works and the creation of space or do you think that none of the of the SJ defenders were covering Moore's runs, leaving open space for Giovinco to utilise?

Shakes McQueen
05-31-2015, 10:52 AM
Our offense is looking effing DANGEROUS right now. Another match where we were an inch here or there away from potentially finishing 6-1 instead of 3-1. Seba is just playing on another plane of existence, with how easily he's taking teams apart. I'll even give Moore his props right now.

Our backline, on the other hand, still scares me a bit - a few simple fuckups that could have been goals.

reggie
05-31-2015, 10:59 AM
with any luck..SEBA could have 10 goals this season,i wonder how many euro clubs are looking at him for a loan at the end of the season.

Shakes McQueen
05-31-2015, 11:03 AM
Is there even any question that Giovinco is the best player in MLS right now? And best of all, he's doing it without the slightest hint of any behind-the-scenes drama or discontent.

flatpicker
05-31-2015, 11:07 AM
CBC article mentions that Giovinco's 6 assists this season is tied with the regular season record by a Toronto player. I have a feeling he just might break that record before the season is over. :D