Voyageur's Cup Semi Final 1st Leg - Wednesday May 6 7:30 pm

[OgtheDim]

For those seeking to ignore the game in Montreal on one Wednesday, we present for you the game in Montreal next Wednesday.

A week tonight people.


Not sure if this will be on Sportsnet somewhere or not. Heck, it may not be streamed.


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Hopefully we see all the B team with maybe Caldwell or Bloom coming back from injury. I want to win this but we gotta preserve energy for the first home game.

[Red CB Toronto]

For those seeking to ignore the game in Montreal on one Wednesday, we present for you the game in Montreal next Wednesday.

A week tonight people.


Not sure if this will be on Sportsnet somewhere or not. Heck, it may not be streamed.


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Hopefully we see all the B team with maybe Caldwell or Bloom coming back from injury. I want to win this but we gotta preserve energy for the first home game.

It will be on Sportsnet, it is important for the Reds to take this seriously and pursue the win. To have success and have a chance at what the Impact have been experiencing the last few weeks and especially tonight. I am looking forward to next Wednesday as I will be at Saputo for it.

[MartinUtd]

Regardless of what happens tonight, the fact that Montreal made it so far should fire up our boys. I see no reason why we shouldn't go the distance.

[Redcoe15]

I really don't like doing this because nobody really knows for certain what would have unfolded. But just imagine what our side could have accomplished if they had beaten Montreal in the CCL finals last year. Might Toronto FC be hosting the final leg of the CONCACAF Champions League final at BMO Field with a chance of winning it all?

[ManUtd4ever]

After Montreal's run in the CCL, it might be difficult for their guys to get fired up for this one.

[Ultra & Proud]

I expect to see a lot of bench players from both sides. Just keep Oduro off the score sheet please.

[SirBobSaget]

I was gonna say they're gonna be tired but jeepers man another weekend off for the Impact?

[OgtheDim]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/594146175026077696) Sportsnet.ca will live stream next week's Impact vs #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) game in Amway Canadian Championship 1st leg. Game will also air on Sportsnet World.

[Ultra & Proud]

I was gonna say they're gonna be tired but jeepers man another weekend off for the Impact?
I think they scheduled them time off for the parade. :D

[ryan]

They'll have a couple more games than everyone else down the stretch, should the qualify for the dance they may be a bit more tired than most.

Lets do them a favour and knock 2 games off their season. :D

[Auzzy]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/594146175026077696) Sportsnet.ca will live stream next week's Impact vs #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) game in Amway Canadian Championship 1st leg. Game will also air on Sportsnet World.

That's great news!

[Auzzy]

So if we beat the Impact by a better-than-2+ goal differential, does that mean we're better than one of the best teams in Mexico? :D :D

[Ultra & Proud]

So if we beat the Impact by a better-than-2+ goal differential, does that mean we're better than one of the best teams in Mexico? :D :D
Yes, yes it does.

[ryan]

anyone gonna be at the pub for this one? Turns out I need to be in the area for 10PM, so this works out nicely.

[Petor]

anyone gonna be at the pub for this one? Turns out I need to be in the area for 10PM, so this works out nicely.

I'm going to the game, I won't be arriving until Wednesday afternoon so I won't be going to McLeans.

I have a room in the Plateau area so I'll be going to a place nearby before the game(it's a short downhill stumble to the Metro)...

http://www.sumidojo.com/

[OgtheDim]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/594863079105630208) Been told teams can't use USL players in Canadian Championship games.

[notthesun]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/594863079105630208) Been told teams can't use USL players in Canadian Championship games.

That's a no for Babouli then. Want to see Hamilton and Roberts get minutes though.

[Red CB Toronto]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/594863079105630208) Been told teams can't use USL players in Canadian Championship games.


That's a no for Babouli then. Want to see Hamilton and Roberts get minutes though.

I really do not get this , as the Reds have played academy players in the Canadian Champion/Champions League on two occasions in the past. Ashtone who played his 100th game for the Reds yesterday made his TFC debut as one of them.

[dupont]

I hope they start all bench players. The league needs to be our focus. We have won the Canadian Championship many times but have never made the playoffs in MLS. Have to focus on achieving that goal above all else. Bench players can be really hungry anyways so it's not even necessarily a bad thing to play a lot of them.

[notthesun]

I really do not get this , as the Reds have played academy players in the Canadian Champion/Champions League on two occasions in the past. Ashtone who played his 100th game for the Reds yesterday made his TFC debut as one of them.

Academy players would be considered as being part of the same team I guess. Players on a USL contract are really on a different team entirely, so it makes sense.

[Leedsoronto]

I agree, bench players may want to win this where as regular players may hold back and pace them selfs. It's perfect for the signed MLS players who are playing USL to take part in

[Petor]

With the Habs playing the same night it will be an empty stadium except for the TFC supporters. ;)

[Lennon]

Play the starters. The CCL is important and this is our only method of qualifying.

[Defoe]

Play the starters. The CCL is important and this is our only method of qualifying.

so this is qualifying for 2016-17 CCL ?

[MartinUtd]

so this is qualifying for 2016-17 CCL ?

Yes it is. Vancouver is going to the CCL for the next edition...

BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T WON A CUP

[rowan]

Is there a section for away supporters? Just remembered I haven't bought tickets yet.

[Petor]

Is there a section for away supporters? Just remembered I haven't bought tickets yet.

Upper 112, I'm in row JJ(away supporter section).

[rowan]

Upper 112, I'm in row JJ(away supporter section).

Perfect. I'll send an e-mail to their ticketing office and sort mine out.

[Pint]

Since it doesn't appear that we are going to play many 1st team players (which is very frustrating to me), I hope we send out as canadian of a lineup as possible:

Roberts
Delgado - Zavaleta - Hagglund - Morgan
Manella - Chapman
Findley - Osorio - Lovitz
Hamilton

[OgtheDim]

I would give Hagglund and Morgan the night off. Both need it mentally.


I expect to see all of Creavalle, Zavaleta, Roberts, Osorio, Findley, Delgado, Chapman, Warner, Lovitz - just don't know how it fits. Giovinco and Bradley and Altidore shouldn't even travel.

[Cashcleaner]

Over 61,000 people bought tickets for the CCL match at Olympic Stadium. It was one of the largest crowds seen at the stadium and the largest crowd any MLS club in Canada has attracted for a single game. And all this happened on a brisk Wednesday night in Montreal during the middle of the NHL postseason. Add ticket sales to CONCACAF prize money for making it as far as the final, and Saputo has made MAD CASH off this tournament, even if it's been at the expense of their MLS regular season record.

The bottom line is the bottom line. I just don't see either Saputo or MLSE turning their noses up at the possibility to try for the Champions League this time around. And seeing as how the Canadian Championship is the only way to make it into that tournament, I fully expect that TFC will field a competitive roster. The prospect of filling up Rogers Centre in mid-April (perhaps after yet another Leafs season without playoffs) is too great of an opportunity in the eyes of MLSE to ignore.

[Auzzy]

The prospect of filling up Rogers Centre in mid-April (perhaps after yet another Leafs season with playoffs) is too great of an opportunity in the eyes of MLSE to ignore.

Huh what? You really lost me there Cash. :D

I believe that MLS teams also get allocation money every time they advance a round in CCL, so it can really help your salary budget as well.

[Mateo1985]

Is anyone watching this game at Joe's?

[Detroit_TFC]

I would give Hagglund and Morgan the night off. Both need it mentally.


I expect to see all of Creavalle, Zavaleta, Roberts, Osorio, Findley, Delgado, Chapman, Warner, Lovitz - just don't know how it fits. Giovinco and Bradley and Altidore shouldn't even travel.

Maybe Bloom too if he is ready to return, just to give him some minutes.

[Areathrasher]

Who's gonna play left back, if Morgan has the night off?

Can only call up TFCII players with MLS contracts and none of them can play LB.

[Huyton]

It would be nice if the game was carried on a channel that my local pub carries.

Appallingly, the same hockey game is being played on 4 different SportsNet channels. The Wankouver - Edmonton game is on SN360 and SNWorld.

[Areathrasher]

Neil Davidson ‏@NeilMDavidson (https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/595280234469011458)
Vanney says Bloom, Caldwell and Bendik not expected to play in Montreal. Not all DPs will make trip with #torontoFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/torontoFC?src=hash)

[Joe Kool]

At least Van/Edm game is being played on SN360 which I get with my regular sports stations. I ain't paying $20 for the SN World channel for one game. Too bad. This is going to break my perfect record of being able to watch every minute of every game since 2007. I am going to be in my car so streaming is not a possibility. Was really hoping to use the PVR.....but they have the same hockey game on 4 SN channels at the same time. Bunch of fucknuts.

[C.Ronaldo]

At least Van/Edm game is being played on SN360 which I get with my regular sports stations. I ain't paying $20 for the SN World channel for one game. Too bad. This is going to break my perfect record of being able to watch every minute of every game since 2007. I am going to be in my car so streaming is not a possibility. Was really hoping to use the PVR.....but they have the same hockey game on 4 SN channels at the same time. Bunch of fucknuts.

Being live streamed, no biggie

John Molinaro‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/594146175026077696) Sportsnet.ca will live stream next week's Impact vs #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) game in Amway Canadian Championship 1st leg. Game will also air on Sportsnet World.

[Auzzy]

Well he said he will be in his car so streaming won't be possible.

Joe Kool, get a better cell data plan, pull over & watch it. :D :D I've got a 6GB limit on my mobile. I've watched TFC & World Cup games from the campsite, with a laptop tethered from my mobile phone connection. I sometimes had to put the phone in awkward spots, or drive to the nearest town, in order to get a decent signal. :facepalm:

[C.Ronaldo]

ill pop into the nearest library sometimes when Im up in cottage country and use their wifi.

same with local McDonalds, they have wifi

[ManUtd4ever]

Ridiculous that the game isn't being televised on one of the other SN channels. It looks like I'll be connecting my laptop to my TV so I can watch it on the big screen.

[Joe Kool]

Well he said he will be in his car so streaming won't be possible.

Joe Kool, get a better cell data plan, pull over & watch it. :D :D I've got a 6GB limit on my mobile. I've watched TFC & World Cup games from the campsite, with a laptop tethered from my mobile phone connection. I sometimes had to put the phone in awkward spots, or drive to the nearest town, in order to get a decent signal. :facepalm:

Actually trying to figure things out with my schedule so I may use my phone like you said in the car pulled over. I have unlimited data on my plan that my work pays for so that won't be an issue with my mobile. Pretty sure tethering is not covered in my plan though so may have to just use the iPhone 6 screen which is not great but doable. Will see how I make out.

[Cashcleaner]

Huh what? You really lost me there Cash. :D

I believe that MLS teams also get allocation money every time they advance a round in CCL, so it can really help your salary budget as well.

Oops. That was an obvious mistake on my part. I meant "without playoffs". And let's be honest, that's the most likeliest scenario is it not? :D


Neil Davidson ‏@NeilMDavidson (https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson)1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/NeilMDavidson/status/595280234469011458)
Vanney says Bloom, Caldwell and Bendik not expected to play in Montreal. Not all DPs will make trip with #torontoFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/torontoFC?src=hash)


Well, there's goes my prediction!

[portu]

Montreal waive Nicht - this league is a complete and utter joke and through that disrespectful to players and fans alike

[jloome]

Montreal waive Nicht - this league is a complete and utter joke and through that disrespectful to players and fans alike

He knew in advance. It was just a bunch of shit; I bet you he's re-signed by Indy almost immediately, or heads home to Germany to sit on the large sack of cash Montreal just slipped him.

Jeez, what a joke.

[Auzzy]

Actually trying to figure things out with my schedule so I may use my phone like you said in the car pulled over. I have unlimited data on my plan that my work pays for so that won't be an issue with my mobile. Pretty sure tethering is not covered in my plan though so may have to just use the iPhone 6 screen which is not great but doable. Will see how I make out.

Good luck, unlimited data that's great! I need my cell phone for work but they won't pay for it at all :hulk:

[Detroit_TFC]

The Nicht business is unsettling. Opens the door to all kinds of roster shenanigans in CCL and once MLS is on the receiving end of it, people will be unhappy.

[Huyton]

Looking for a pub in Milton that will show SportsNet World...is there one?

[Richard]

The Nicht business is unsettling. Opens the door to all kinds of roster shenanigans in CCL and once MLS is on the receiving end of it, people will be unhappy.

Wait doesn't the league still have the reserve GK pool? Or did that go away?

[GuelphStorm2007]

I am guessing one of the Sportsnet channels will show the replay later on probably after midnight.

[Initial B]

The Nicht business is unsettling. Opens the door to all kinds of roster shenanigans in CCL and once MLS is on the receiving end of it, people will be unhappy.
I don't think so - they replaced their suspended keeper with a lower quality one from a lower level league. If that is setting precedent, i'm fine with it. I think most CCL teams would rather use their own keepers than an outsider, just for continuity's sake.

[Detroit_TFC]

Wait doesn't the league still have the reserve GK pool? Or did that go away?

The CCL competition regs need to provide a mechanism like that, specifically for GK replacement.

[ryan]

FWIW (not much) the free TTC papers stated today all 3 DP's would travel, but 1 maybe 2 will play.

[deschamp86]

I'd like to see




Moore
Hamilton



Lovitz
Warner
Osorio
Creavalle


Morgan
Zavaleta
Hagglund
Morrow



Roberts




Bench: Bono, Delgado, Chapman, Manella, Jackson, Findley, Altidore

With a stronger side for the second leg depending on how the first goes

[Areathrasher]

Creavalle at RB and Delgado at RM and that's pretty much the team i'd be starting.

[Red CB Toronto]

It will be interesting to see how tomorrow night goes, will be fun to see some of the kids if Greg goes that route. After not going to the VCup game in Montreal last year I am hoping it is not a repeat of the 6-0 loss I witnessed in 2013. I believe the Reds will win.

[shwade]

It will be interesting to see how tomorrow night goes, will be fun to see some of the kids if Greg goes that route. After not going to the VCup game in Montreal last year I am hoping it is not a repeat of the 6-0 loss I witnessed in 2013. I believe the Reds will win.

Vanney said it'll be a mix, hope all the starters get the second half to rest. We need them to show up big for the home opener.

[Super]

FWIW (not much) the free TTC papers stated today all 3 DP's would travel, but 1 maybe 2 will play.

Depends on the result of the first half I'm guessing. Would be nice to field (at least close to) our best 11 if we're behind after 45.

[Red CB Toronto]

Vanney said it'll be a mix, hope all the starters get the second half to rest. We need them to show up big for the home opener.

You have to use the subs in the normal context of a soccer game, so sit those you want to rest and mix in the rest of your vets with the kids and that will be your X11. It has be done with an eye that most of the starters will go the full 90.

[Areathrasher]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/595663774591377408)
Squad update: Giovinco, Altidore, Findley, Jackson, Caldwell, Bloom and Bendik didn't make the trip to Montreal

[Wagner]

just about to post the same thing.

I would love to see what Giovinco and Jozy could do.

[Areathrasher]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 24s24 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/595665035118149632)Montréal, Québec (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3A36775d842cbec509)
Jordan Hamilton, Jay Chapman, Chris Mannella and Quillan Roberts are with the team in Montreal #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)

[Red CB Toronto]

Good to see some of the kids getting a look. Will be fun to watch, Hamilton up top, hopefully a goal is in the cards for the young up and coming Canadian international.

[Areathrasher]

Bradley, Perquis, Cheyrou and Morrow travelling is interesting. Even without Jozy and Gio, still the nucleus there for a very strong side to play.

[Red CB Toronto]

Bradley, Perquis, Cheyrou and Morrow travelling is interesting. Even without Jozy and Gio, still the nucleus there for a very strong side to play.

Not surprised with The General making the trip, being the captain and all, plus it very hard thing to keep him on the pitch, he fights til the end.

[Areathrasher]

Not surprised with The General making the trip, being the captain and all, plus it very hard thing to keep him on the pitch, he fights til the end.

Given how pissed his agent was that he couldn't play in the final last year due to USMNT duty, i'm not surprised.

[Red CB Toronto]

Given how pissed his agent was that he couldn't play in the final last year due to USMNT duty, i'm not surprised.

Ron is one of the best, have a lot of respect for the guy.

[C.Ronaldo]

saving findley for ........?

[Areathrasher]

saving findley for ........?

He's been kept in Toronto to practice his shooting

[portu]

Findley and Caldwell are honestly just deadweight at this point eating up a combined 650k of cap space, we need to get rid of them asap.

[Red CB Toronto]

training is being broadcast live on periscope right now.

[OgtheDim]

saving findley for ........?

If anything I think this indicates Bradley will start beside Osorio with Lovitz on the left.

[FRANKIE65]

Well with the squad that is going it should be an interesting match, anyways. Hopefully can find a decent stream tomorrow night! Should make it home shortly before kick off.

[Areathrasher]

Well with the squad that is going it should be an interesting match, anyways. Hopefully can find a decent stream tomorrow night! Should make it home shortly before kick off.

It's being streamed on the Sportsnet site

John Molinaro @JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) · 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/595650689512153089)

Sportsnet.ca will web stream tomorrow's #IMFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMFC?src=hash) vs. #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) game. No need to sign in or use a Rogers account. It's free:

[FRANKIE65]

It's being streamed on the Sportsnet site

John Molinaro @JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) · 2h2 hours ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/595650689512153089)

Sportsnet.ca will web stream tomorrow's #IMFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMFC?src=hash) vs. #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) game. No need to sign in or use a Rogers account. It's free:


Beautiful!!!!

[C.Ronaldo]

If anything I think this indicates Bradley will start beside Osorio with Lovitz on the left.

would be wise to give cheyrou a break

[OgtheDim]

would be wise to give cheyrou a break

I agree....he's in Montreal though.

[notthesun]

------------------Konopka-------------------
Morrow---Zavaleta---Hagglund---Morgan
Lovitz---Warner---Bradley----Osorio
------------Moore-----Hamilton-----------

This is what I'm expecting, but I wish they'd leave Bradley out too. Too bad Bloom can't go, would have been the perfect opportunity to get him minutes. Put Chapman or Creavalle on for Bradley in the 2nd half.

Hamilton's gonna score.

[Ajax TFC]

Would like to see:
--------------------Roberts-----------------
-Delgado--Hagglund--Zavaleta-Morrrow-
-----------Warner------Bradley------------
-Lovitz----------Chapman-------Osorio---
------------------Hamilton-----------------

Other option is to put Delgado in midfield instead of Bradley, but I think Bradley will start.

[Huyton]

I'd like to see if Quillan can score another goal like the one against England.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ory5lTLAdLI

[Lennon]

would be wise to give cheyrou a break

Yea. Woulda been nice to see Jackson make the trip and slot Osorio in for Cheyrou.

Don't understand why Gio and Altidore can't play 2 games in a week. They can rest vs. Man City, or in the return leg if we go back with a lead.

[AdamAM]

He's been kept in Toronto to practice his shooting

Best thing I've seen all day :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Red CB Toronto]

The full travel roster for tomorrow night:

Chris Konopka, Quillan Roberts, Damien Perquis, Nick Hagglund, Ashtone Morgan, Justin Morrow, Eriq Zavaleta, Marky Delgado, Warren Creavalle, Chris Mannella, Jonathan Osorio, Jay Chapman, Daniel Lovitz, Michael Bradley, Collen Warner, Benoit Cheyrou, Luke Moore and Jordan Hamilton.

[portu]

Hope to see the following
Roberts; Morgan, Zavaleta, Hagglund, Delgado; Lovitz, Bradley (Mannella), Warner (Chapman), Osorio (Creavalle); Hamilton, Moore

[Petor]

The full travel roster for tomorrow night:

Chris Konopka, Quillan Roberts, Damien Perquis, Nick Hagglund, Ashtone Morgan, Justin Morrow, Eriq Zavaleta, Marky Delgado, Warren Creavalle, Chris Mannella, Jonathan Osorio, Jay Chapman, Daniel Lovitz, Michael Bradley, Collen Warner, Benoit Cheyrou, Luke Moore and Jordan Hamilton.

When I first saw who was not going to Montreal, my heart sank as I'm going to the match and no Seba.
Then, when I saw who is going, I felt much better.

We have much better depth than in previous years.

[Areathrasher]

Given that roster, you'd be inclined to believe Hamilton will be going the 90 mins tomorrow. Which is excellent.

[Red CB Toronto]

When I first saw who was not going to Montreal, my heart sank as I'm going to the match and no Seba.
Then, when I saw who is going, I felt much better.

We have much better depth than in previous years.

I really do believe the Reds will be just fine, good opportunity for others to shine. See you tomorrow night in MTL.

[OgtheDim]

Hmm....not much forward depth.

[Petor]

Hmm....not much forward depth.

We are playing on the road, I think we will bunker and hope for an away goal on the counter.
Montreal is playing Portland at home on Saturday, I'm sure that their reserves will get a work out as well tomorrow.

[Captain Cook]

It will be streamed here tomorrow...


http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/voyageurs-cup-impact-vs-tfc-on-sportsnet-ca/

[mowe]

Don't understand why Gio and Altidore can't play 2 games in a week. They can rest vs. Man City, or in the return leg if we go back with a lead.
Since the second leg is only 3 days after the home opener hopefully they're resting now so they can play at home next week.

[MartinUtd]

Hmm....not much forward depth.

Thought the same. To me, this means Hamilton isn't starting. My guess is something like this:


-------------Moore
-------------Osorio
Lovitz---Warner--Bradley----Dalgado
Morgan-Hagglund-Zavaleta-Creavalle
---------------Roberts

(or as a 4-2-3-1 with Lovtiz & Dalago playing higher up)

The captain stays in and the rest of the 1st team players stay on the bench in case of emergency. Eventually bring Hamilton on for Moore and Chapman in for Warner/Osorio.

[Leedsoronto]

I would like to see Hamilton up front with Moore and Mannella in the mid with Ossorio or Chappers

Leave Bradley on the bench use him if it starts to get out of hand

[ryan]

Yea. Woulda been nice to see Jackson make the trip and slot Osorio in for Cheyrou.

Don't understand why Gio and Altidore can't play 2 games in a week. They can rest vs. Man City, or in the return leg if we go back with a lead.

I'd imagine they have an obligation to play some minutes, no?

[Milanista]

i want to see all DP's sitting...i really dont care for this, we need to concentrare on on MLS this season. Give the kids a chance

[Leedsoronto]

Exactly, we have signed these young players on MLS contracts, we should play them and see how far they are from a start on the first team.

And if they win through to the final they should play, they will have earned it

[SenorDingDong]

Play the kids. I could care less about these games, want the league success.

[ManUtd4ever]

Yeah, I'm inclined to let the reserves play this entire tournament and let the chips fall where they may. The league results are far more important to the health of this franchise at this point.

[Lennon]

Since the second leg is only 3 days after the home opener hopefully they're resting now so they can play at home next week.

I guess I'd be ok with that. Just don't get blown out in the first leg !


I'd imagine they have an obligation to play some minutes, no?

Usually it's the away team that has an obligation to play their stars .. but idk.


i want to see all DP's sitting...i really dont care for this, we need to concentrare on on MLS this season. Give the kids a chance


Exactly, we have signed these young players on MLS contracts, we should play them and see how far they are from a start on the first team.

And if they win through to the final they should play, they will have earned it


Play the kids. I could care less about these games, want the league success.

I'm surprised how little you guys care about CCL qualification ..
The young players will get their chance during the Gold Cup and when we get hit with more injuries.
Plus, we pretty much have the playoffs locked up at this point.
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/TorontoFC.html

[C.Ronaldo]

whole point of this is to win concacaf

we cant get there by winning MLS

so CCL has more importance in my eyes.

[OgtheDim]

We need an away goal and to not get blown out. This is about not losing it before next week. I would prefer a big win, but even a 2-1 loss is not too bad. 3-2 is as good as a draw.

[brad]

I suspect Gio didn't travel as they want a healthy, rested Gio to "wow" the crowd at the home opener. That, and an injury to him in Montreal would be a less than ideal situation for the opener for them. Lets face it, a lot of people are showing up on Sunday to see him play.

[MartinUtd]

As much as I'd like to the MLS play offs, I don't want to go 4 years without CONCACAF football. As as fan, it's the best experience the team has to offer.

[Joe Kool]

So I am looking at the projected starting 11 for tonight on the TFC website and here I am thinking that Dike will get some time in the game. Guess I missed that little tidbit that he was loaned to the USL. Hamilton and Moore expecting to start up front.

[pdubs]

Hope out depth guys show up. This is our most deep roster to date I believe, so I hope they go out and work. I hope we get to see Delgado, especially at the DM position that Vanney touts him as.

[C.Ronaldo]

So I am looking at the projected starting 11 for tonight on the TFC website and here I am thinking that Dike will get some time in the game. Guess I missed that little tidbit that he was loaned to the USL. Hamilton and Moore expecting to start up front.

loaned to NASL

and now plays with Julius James and Nana (seems to like ex TFCers)

[FootieChick]

Is anyone coming to this game? I want to go but don't want to get jumped for wearing a TFC jersey in the sea of blue :-/

[ryan]

Is anyone coming to this game? I want to go but don't want to get jumped for wearing a TFC jersey in the sea of blue :-/

There's a handful I know of coming down. You won't be alone.

Also it's likely security will take you over to 112, as they try to not let us mix with their support.

[FootieChick]

There's a handful I know of coming down. You won't be alone.

Also it's likely security will take you over to 112, as they try to not let us mix with their support.

thanks Ryan, I will call for tickets to make sure we are with the other supporters.

[Red4ever]

I care about winning Canada, not so much about any ccl games after that.

[Island Man]

Game also on MLS live tonight for those who don't know.

[Mateo1985]

Really wish we could all watch if from Saputo sector 112!!! It'd be great!!!

[ChrisFizik]

Really wish we could all watch if from Saputo sector 112!!! It'd be great!!!

I'm beat from yesterday man, gonna bail on Joe's and watch from home. Suppose there will be a handful of someone around tho. Cheers!

[Mateo1985]

I'm beat from yesterday man, gonna bail on Joe's and watch from home. Suppose there will be a handful of someone around tho. Cheers!


Lol I was about to say the same thing. Hope the Reds take care of business!!!

[molenshtain]

loaned to NASL

and now plays with Julius James and Nana (seems to like ex TFCers)

Hassli plays there too doesn't he?

[Island Man]

Hassli plays there too doesn't he?

James, Cann, Attakora, Dike, Nane! No wonder they're bottom.

[OgtheDim]

Nick Sabetti ‏@nicksabetti (https://twitter.com/nicksabetti) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/nicksabetti/status/596044114010963969) Nick Sabetti retweeted Canada Soccer
Canadian Championship semifinal in Edmonton postponed due to snow. #CanChamp (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CanChamp?src=hash)

[ryan]

They get to host the 2nd leg now, not that it's going to matter much I think.

[Cas87]

Nick Sabetti ‏@nicksabetti (https://twitter.com/nicksabetti) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/nicksabetti/status/596044114010963969) Nick Sabetti retweeted Canada Soccer
Canadian Championship semifinal in Edmonton postponed due to snow. #CanChamp (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CanChamp?src=hash)

I wonder if this means Sportsnet will move the TFC game to live and move back 'Rastlin which was scheduled for 7pm

[Lennon]

They get to host the 2nd leg now, not that it's going to matter much I think.

I think they have a decent chance if the Caps play their u21's again.

[pdubs]

Toronto FC @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) · 6m6 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/596080015898386432)

The @BacardiCanada (https://twitter.com/BacardiCanada) Starting XI: Konopka, Morrow, Hagglund, Zavaleta, Creavalle, Lovitz, Bradley, Warner, Delgado, Osorio, Moore. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash)

[pdubs]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc)

#TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash) Bench: Roberts, Morgan, Perquis, Cheyrou, Mannella, Chapman, Hamilton.

[Ivy]

MTL fields their starters.

[portu]

Hate to be so negative but I think this lineup has us fucked defensively

[OgtheDim]

Strong side from Montreal. Bernier is not a starter though.

Kronberg; Reo-Coker, Lefèvre, Ciman, Miller; Mallace, Bernier; Oduro, Alexander, Tissot; McInerney.

[pdubs]

MTL fields their starters.

well Piatti, Duka, Soumarie, Romero and Bush all on bench. So don't think it is their strongest lineup. Interesting we are going with 5 midfielders to match them tho, unless its a 4-4-1-1 with Osorio as a second striker/advanced CAM

[pdubs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEW1dYgVAAEzbMU.jpg

[Ivy]

well Piatti, Duka, Soumarie, Romero and Bush all on bench. So don't think it is their strongest lineup. Interesting we are going with 5 midfielders to match them tho, unless its a 4-4-1-1 with Osorio as a second striker/advanced CAM
They're not starting, but they're in the 18. Will play some time, I'm certain.

[Pint]

I'm not really sure what this lineup is: it's not overly Canadian, not young, it's just a pile of meh with morrow and Bradley and oso mixed in.

Hoping we can come away from this with draw

[General Woolfe]

Any idea what channel this is on in Toronto? All I can find is thuggery on ice... I hate this country sometimes...

[pdubs]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/voyageurs-cup-impact-vs-tfc-on-sportsnet-ca/

[Pint]

Any idea what channel this is on in Toronto? All I can find is thuggery on ice... I hate this country sometimes...

Sportsnet world or free stream on sportsnet.ca

[OgtheDim]

Who is Lloyd Barker?

He sounds like Matt Dunigan (CFL dude for TSN).

[General Woolfe]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/voyageurs-cup-impact-vs-tfc-on-sportsnet-ca/

Cheers! Its not on terrestrial TV then? Retarded Hockey dominating everything again??

[ryan]

with so few MLS matches, MTL seemingly needs to field this team to get them action before resuming what will be more rapid MLS play.

I like what we have sent out, strong enough to steal a game and more than good enough to get a road draw while giving rest for quality players.

Can't wait for this to start.

[ryan]

Cheers! Its not on terrestrial TV then? Retarded Hockey dominating everything again??

Sportsnet World

[General Woolfe]

Very poor crowd

[OgtheDim]

Nice shot of some TFC supporters during the anthem. Crowd looks like one of our CCL group games in size.

[Jpexxx]

Very poor crowd

I'm sure they are all watching the Canadiens game.

[OgtheDim]

Petrescu the ref. Should be a lot of leeway for the physical.

[Very Big Beard]

Woo! Game thread! Never been in one of these before but I'm watching on Sportsnet tonight so keyboard in front of me and... it just happened.

I love the Voyageur's Cup. This tournament is special. This is a great article if you haven't read it (http://www.macleans.ca/authors/colby-cosh/it-can-be-bitter-to-drink-from-the-same-cup/) before.

[pdubs]

Good play. Bradley with vision, lovitz can cross

[FRANKIE65]

Not a bad first ten minutes from the B+ squad

[ryan]

the audio on this is unbearable.

gerry dobson (puke) and listening to 10 people sing is irritating. move the mic away for the love of god, it doesn't have to be so prominent!

[Inklink]

LMFAO Oduro's hair.

And Dobson is making my ears bleed.

[OgtheDim]

Crevalle is getting worse. Been the weakest link this game.

And Osorio has to get that one on net.

[Jpexxx]

Loving these no calls.

[OgtheDim]

Osorio making me realise how good Giovinco is.

[FRANKIE65]

Tic Tac Tabernac!!!

[flatpicker]

Sportsnet feed being problematic. Anyone else? Or is it just my crappy internet?

[Auzzy]

Doesn't look too bad overall, but is it just me or does Moore look uninterested & useless? I would rather see Hamilton.

[FRANKIE65]

Osuro...lmao...if Osario and Oduro had a lovechild...man, get it together announcers

[Jpexxx]

Sportsnet feed being problematic. Anyone else? Or is it just my crappy internet?

I'm watching it thru my chromecast, but yeah its choppy and every now and again it gets very blurry and pixelated.

[Jpexxx]

Osuro...lmao...if Osario and Oduro had a lovechild...man, get it together announcers

Dobson is the worst.

I remember watching a game in 2007 where Cunningham was in on a breakaway and Dobson calls "Attakora in on net!!"

[Auzzy]

Sportsnet feed is awesome for me, no problems. Other than the audio of course.

[pdubs]

Creavalle is an idiot

[Inklink]

Dobson is the worst.

I remember watching a game in 2007 where Cunningham was in on a breakaway and Dobson calls "Attakora in on net!!"

To Dobson, every black guy used to be Mavell Wynne.

[Batman]

Early on Donaldson said the pitch was in good shape... LOL. Ya, right. Except for all the bald patches, it's perfect.

Sportsnet feed was bad for me at the start, but fine now.

[General Woolfe]

This is dire to watch...

[Leedsoronto]

Zzzzz fest

[OgtheDim]

This reminds me of MLS circa 2008.

[JayMolly]

We may do what the Montreal fans are doing . . . check out the hockey game?
Perhaps the second half may pick up?

[Jpexxx]

Perfect environment to nick a 1-0 win tho.

[PopePouri]

Sportsnet feed being problematic. Anyone else? Or is it just my crappy internet?

It's on MLS live as well.

[Oldtimer]

Both sides being cautious.

Good save by Konopka

[Batman]

We may do what the Montreal fans are doing . . . check out the hockey game?
Perhaps the second half may pick up?

I have the Jays Yankees game on the tube. It's a good one.

[General Woolfe]

Konopka is a bombscare

[Oldtimer]

Game picking up now.

[OgtheDim]

Little thing....Delagdo is pretty good with his head.

[Eastend]

Man I miss Oduro. Flash then crash.

Dom.

[Ultra & Proud]

Doesn't look too bad overall, but is it just me or does Moore look uninterested & useless? I would rather see Hamilton.
Has TFC had as big a loafer as Moore. He is always fairly lazy but this? Wow.

Of course now he'll probably pop one of his patented garbage goals to change the optics of his match but he is one lazy bastard.

[Auzzy]

Has TFC had as big a loafer as Moore. He is always fairly lazy but this? Wow.

Of course now he'll probably pop one of his patented garbage goals to change the optics of his match but he is one lazy bastard.

Well TFC has had a couple of lazy bastards over the years, but Moore is definitely in the upper echelon. Couple of minutes ago when Osorio tried to slip it through for him, yeah pass was no good & their keeper got it, but Moore didn't move a muscle. At least sprint the 3 yards would you, rush the keeper a bit, you never know what will happen.

Pro tip to Luke: go all out, you don't need to save yourself for the weekend, you won't be playing anyway.

[pdubs]

Put Hamilton in

[General Woolfe]

Where is Dike these days?

[Auzzy]

Where is Dike these days?

On loan with San Antonio, with about 6 former TFC players.

[Jpexxx]

Where is Dike these days?

Loaned to the NASL

San Antonio I think

[General Woolfe]

Loaned to the NASL

San Antonio I think

in rehab? Id rather have him in the 1st team squad than Moore

[Soccerpro]

Why is it that no player ever does anything creative around the opposition box? North American players are trained to get it wide and cross it, or always show up and give support as a DM like Bradley always done.

No creative runs, no good thru balls, no one ever looks for the 1-2, no one tries to beat their man one or one for the quick shot. It's just a total lack of creativity.

[Shway]

Dobson is the worst.

I remember watching a game in 2007 where Cunningham was in on a breakaway and Dobson calls "Attakora in on net!!"


To Dobson, every black guy used to be Mavell Wynne.

His famous saying is "Pardon me" followed by the guy who he was actually talking about lol.

Attakkoorraa!!! Pardon me Wynne.

[OgtheDim]

Osorio regressing in front of our eyes.

[portu]

Delgado for Hamilton, Oso moves to the right.
Warner for Cheyrou.
I'd love to see this

[aajking]

Nice FK by Bradley

[Richard]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[SirBobSaget]

Lovitz the giveaway king. So many poor/invisible performances.

[aajking]

Agree with everyone else regarding Moore. He could get subbed on more frequently during MLS games if he atleast tried. We could use someone to contribute if Altidore wears out later on this season. Right now I'd rather Dike.

[SirBobSaget]

You guys calling Moore lazy? Apparently he ran back to catch Mac on that breakaway.

[QBall]

I was about to say poor finish from McInerney (which it was) but he just scored.

[PopePouri]

Lazy play by Moore there.

[OgtheDim]

For those wanting Zaveletta to start - watch that play.

[General Woolfe]

Konopka sleeping there too

[Eastend]

Wow......4 guys watching that cross!!!

[Inklink]

Lol HAglund.

[Sweeper]

Time for a sub!

[portu]

K can we make some fucking subs

[pdubs]

Yea that was bad lol

[pdubs]

Good to see chapman

[aajking]

You guys calling Moore lazy? Apparently he ran back to catch Mac on that breakaway.

Wish he gave that sort of energy offensively.

[backbeat]

How do away goals count?

[mowe]

Put in Hamilton for Moore...

[Auzzy]

You guys calling Moore lazy? Apparently he ran back to catch Mac on that breakaway.

I heard the announcers say that, but was that really Moore who came back?

[Jpexxx]

Lmao Dobson just called Creavalle "Lovitz"... Yeah the white guy who was subbed off 10 mins ago.

[smtavare]

What's going to happen when Bradley, Altidore, Osario, Morgan, and Hamilton are away in July for the Gold Cup, these bench players not looking to good, errr!

[pdubs]

"Lovitz keeps it in play"

First off Lovitz isn't on the field. Second it was Creavalle, completely different skin colour. Lol. Fucking hilarious

[Oldtimer]

How do away goals count?

Same as in Europe. If tied on aggregate, the more away goals win.

[General Woolfe]

Can we sub Moore please, it like playing a man short

[SirBobSaget]

I heard the announcers say that, but was that really Moore who came back?

Nope was Morrow

[SirBobSaget]

Chapman is getting involved, thats pretty much the only positive.

[jloome]

Osorio is having an awful game.

[OgtheDim]

A goal here for us and nobody would care.

Not sure where a goal would come from though as nobody out there but Cheyrou seems to be able to pass the ball.

[Auzzy]

A goal here for us and nobody would care.

Not sure where a goal would come from though as nobody out there but Cheyrou seems to be able to pass the ball.

We need an own goal. Only hope.

[smtavare]

Away goal will kill us if Montreal score in Toronto, we need a goal here

[Oldtimer]

Toronto doing nothing.

[portu]

Vanney - 3/10

[Richard]

Good god what a bore.

[Auzzy]

Vanney going Nelsen-style here, subs always way too late. He has the subs up & getting ready, but forgets to put them in. First 2 subs came after the Montreal goal. Sub in Hamilton already, what is he expecting from Moore now?

[Oldtimer]

For those wanting to watch the first round Canadian championship, archives are here:

http://www.canadasoccer.com/2015-amway-canadian-championship-preliminary-round-web-stream-p156220

[pdubs]

I hate that Hamilton won't even get to play. Fuck you Vanney

[SirBobSaget]

Let this end already

[Richard]

Does Hamilton have an attitude problem? What the fuck does this dude need to do to get on the field?

[Auzzy]

Oy vey, oh well, good night.

[Lennon]

If he doesn't play the A-team next week, Vanney out.

[mowe]

Moore and Delgado were clearly gassed. Yet we still held on to a sub. C'mon Vanney.

Disappointing game. I was not impressed with Zavaleta, Creavalle did nothing to reclaim his spot, and Osorio didn't have an impact on the game yet again.

Hopefully we play Giovinco/Altidore in the return leg.

[Soccerpro]

The lack of creativity in the game from both sides was startling.

[Ultra & Proud]

Osorio is having an awful game.
Has he had any other kind for about the last year and a half?

[QBall]

It's a shame our B team can't beat the basement dwellers of the league. If the Canadian teams (the MLS ones anyway) can't be bothered to put any effort into trying to win the Canadian Championship it doesn't look good for soccer in Canada. Even the guys running the website for the Championship can't be bothered to keep the team rosters up to date.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/clubs-s15266

[SirBobSaget]

None of the bench players showed anything, other than Chapman maybe. Considering the lineup will accept 1-0.

[Ultra & Proud]

If he doesn't play the A-team next week, Vanney out.
Meh, league matches more important. For me, getting a player like Giovinco hurt by some Impact scrub is about the same as us using him and him getting hurt against Man. City.

[Ajax TFC]

If he doesn't play the A-team next week, Vanney out.
Holy fuck. The A-team just came off a seven game road trip. If Vanney played all the starters, he would be accused of running them into the ground. And if we then lost on Sunday, people would be calling for his head for prioritizing the Canadian Championship over the home opener.

[OgtheDim]

That was mind numbing.

Of the B team, only Delgado showed anything and he was marked out of the match.

Lovitz did nothing of note. A bit of energy but going nowhere.

Osorio was awful - bad passes, bad positioning, bad decisions.

Zaveletta was out of position a lot.

Creavalle was passing the ball to nobody (although he did do his usual 3 decent tackles from behind per game).

Moore wasn't finding spaces and wasn't dangerous.

Konopka doesn't command the area.

[reggie]

thank god i missed that..im really scared with our cb depth..

[Ajax TFC]

It's a shame our B team can't beat the basement dwellers of the league. If the Canadian teams (the MLS ones anyway) can't be bothered to put any effort into trying to win the Canadian Championship it doesn't look good for soccer in Canada. Even the guys running the website for the Championship can't be bothered to keep the team rosters up to date.

http://www.canadasoccer.com/clubs-s15266
Montreal may very well end up at the bottom of the standings this year, but it's probably a bit harsh to call them that when they've played all of four games this season with CCL games in between.

[Auzzy]

Personally I felt Creavalle played better than expected. Not great, but decent. The team overall very meh, Vanney's substitutions sucked.

[Lennon]

Meh, league matches more important. For me, getting a player like Giovinco hurt by some Impact scrub is about the same as us using him and him getting hurt against Man. City.

We have like 25 games left in the league. Only 4 in the cup. All this team has to do is finish 6th for this season to be called a success by the majority of the public. I don't see why we can't go all out in all competitions.


Holy fuck. The A-team just came off a seven game road trip. If Vanney played all the starters, he would be accused of running them into the ground. And if we then lost on Sunday, people would be calling for his head for prioritizing the Canadian Championship over the home opener.

With a bye week.
Lol. I wouldn't. There are soooooo many games left in the league .. and after 7 games we're in a great position. I'd take a small dip in form if it meant we'd get back to the CCL.

[PopePouri]

We have 25 games left in the league. Only 4 in the cup. All this team has to do is finish 6th for this season to be called a success by the majority of the public. I don't see why we can't go all out in all competitions.

Sounds easy when you put it that way.




With a bye week.
Lol. I wouldn't. There are soooooo many games left in the league .. and after 7 games we're in a great position. I'd take a small dip in form if it meant we'd get back to the CCL.

Some people have jobs to keep.

[ManUtd4ever]

We fielded a B team that had no chemistry whatsoever and we lost only 1-0 on the road against their A team. We could still advance if Vanney fields a stronger starting lineup in the second leg.

I have no issues with the lineup he selected tonight considering the recent road trip, and I think the results in this tournament are secondary to the league results this season.

[ManUtd4ever]

Vancouver at Edmonton postponed due to snow, LOL.

[Stress]

Let's be fair that was not Montreals A team. I think we still have this and I'm looking forward to the game Wednesday night.

[QBall]

Montreal may very well end up at the bottom of the standings this year, but it's probably a bit harsh to call them that when they've played all of four games this season with CCL games in between.

Meh, it's Montreal <spit>. Calling them crap is what we do.

[OgtheDim]

I suspect we start Altidore next week with Moore. Giovinco on the bench, coming on in the second half if we need another goal.

[Pookie]

The club doesn't take this seriously. We shouldn't either.

[notthesun]

I don't know... I'm not taking it very seriously to be honest. I almost don't care if we win this or not. I want league success first.

Personally I'm fine with this performance and result. Although I don't get why Hamilton didn't play.

[boozilla]

There was a game tonight? We beat Man City and won the CONCACAF shield?
Ugh, back to the league, please.

[jabbronies]

The club doesn't take this seriously. We shouldn't either.

The last time I took these games with any sort of interest was the year they went to the distance with Winter at the helm. After that - I didn't really pay any attention to it.

My tickets have gone unused the past couple year. Will probably go unused this year.

[Lennon]

^ I'd put them to good use, haha.

This rivalry is dead.

[Ivy]

Let's be fair that was not Montreals A team. I think we still have this and I'm looking forward to the game Wednesday night.
they finished the game with basically the same lineup that started in the Cup finals. It was their A team, just slightly rotated.

[PopePouri]

- Lovitz needs to add something to his game. Either he learns to defend and he transitions to fullback or he learns out to make runs into the final third. He looks out of place in most systems outside of a flat 4-4-2. Either way, he was dire last night.
- Delgado was supposed to be that possession sink and drift inside to combine with Oso but he ended up drifting wider throughout the game and that left Oso isolated in the middle.
- Fullbacks added no width throughout the match, that's most likely due to play breaking down in the final third.

[bertal]

Off topic:
Has anyone been near the Vaughan area recently? I saw the Impact team bus over there... they might be at Wonderland lol

[bgnewf]

Losing the Voyageurs Cup won’t get Greg Vanney fired. Losing out on the 2015 MLS playoffs will probably be a career death sentence for Vanney and maybe even for his boss Tim Bezbatchenko.


I don’t think there is anything controversial, nor is there anything wrong, with the above statement.


The problem I and many others have is that this past Wednesday evening Toronto FC showed us all that they somehow think that doing what is needed to give themselves a fair chance to win a trophy that many of their most devoted supporters cherish has next to no importance at all. And most importantly the TFC brain trust somehow think that what might end up being two extra games to play (TWO!! not TEN) if they made it to the Voyageurs Cup Finals would be a horrible burden that might cost them a 2015 playoff place… and their jobs.


Myopia thy name is Toronto FC.


Did the Canadian Soccer Association somehow miss letting TFC know that the format for this year’s Voyageurs Cup competition had changed? Do they not know that the winner of the Voyaguers Cup 2015 only has to squeeze those additional four group stage matches into their schedule next season and not this year? All we are talking about here is potentially two additional matches (assuming TFC would make it to the finals) to be played this season with the chance to reclaim a trophy this club once held four years running.


I am still fuming about Wednesday for two and a half reasons. Those reasons are Giovinco, Altidore, and Cheyrou. Seba and Jozy never made the trip to Montreal (Cheyrou did, and was subbed on late). Vanney decided in his infinite wisdom to leave them back in Toronto. Frank Klopas facing the same sort of decision with his precious offensively minded DP Ignancio Piatti, decided to dress him and to keep him on the bench (Like Cheyrou, he did feature on the second half). But at least Klopas had Piatti – his most gifted offensive player – as an option. Vanney did not.


Whether things Wednesday evening might have been different or not is of course impossible to say but if Toronto found themselves a goal down in the second half and could throw on a Giovinco and/or an Altidore for a short run out things could have been significantly better for TFC then they are now . Guaranteed we will see the Reds facing an ‘autobus’ parking Impact side who will be chippy and bunker next week trying to squeeze out a win.


I fully understand, and to a great extent agree, that Giovinco and Altidore should not have started the match in Montreal. I completely disagree with the folly of not at least having one or both of them as options coming off the bench if needed. Bringing on the likes of Giovinco instead of (due respect to him) a kid like Jay Chapman late or an Altidore for a fairly ineffectual Luke Moore might have been enough to turn the tide. Not a single starter for Toronto FC Wednesday evening has scored for the club so far in 2015. Only Cheyrou had scored (once) from the list of players who featured.


Most importantly having Giovinco/Altidore as options would have shown their opponents, the League, and their supporters that this team is confident enough in its makeup today that two extra games on the offing would not be enough of burden to scupper the playoffs. It would also have shown all of us that they have enough sense to know that a team needs to LEARN how to win and that going all out for a trophy that has meaning is worthy of their best efforts. And it would have shown their most ardent supporters who are STILL HERE that they understand what is most important to fans – Winning trophies and winning honours.


But as we all know by now that’s not what happened. Seba stayed home. Jozy did too. And Toronto FC lost a lackluster match that they very well could have drawn or outright won. The issue is still in doubt next week and we will speak of it more in this space as the return leg gets closer. All is not lost.


So my thesis after all these words about the Cup tie Wednesday evening is this: TFC (particularly its leadership – Vanney & Bezbatchenko) doesn’t really care about anything other than the playoffs this year. They think that anything that can get in the way of their MLS campaign hurts them and should not be entertained.


However if this is TRULY the case then why schedule a friendly versus Manchester City smack dab in a month that sees the club already play three away games and four home matches? A friendly that I can assure you WILL see Sebastian Giovinco and Jozy Altidore appear in.


What kind of message will this club be sending to the core of its support when Giovinco & Altidore play meaningless minutes as part of a cynical cash grab ( and risk Ronnie O’Brien season ending injuries for nothing!) when neither couldn’t be spared for even a few minutes to try and wrest the Canadian Championship away from Montreal – our number one RIVAL?

[Lennon]

^ Well said. Agreed 100%.