USL Matchday 1: Toronto FC II @ Charleston Battery | 21 Mar | 7:30PM

[Shway]

Live Stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzfk99MJIVU&feature=youtu.be)

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Projected Starting IX:

http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2015/03/1224653_Toronto_FC.jpg

This is the future...COYR!

[Damien]

Does anyone know if it'll be TFC's or TFCII's logo on the jersey?

[Shway]

Does anyone know if it'll be TFC's or TFCII's logo on the jersey?

I am going to assume that it will be the main club logo.

IMO, I think the TFCII logo was created to emphasize the difference between the two teams. Just like how the academy has logo/crest but they wear the club crest on their jerseys.

[jloome]

Live Stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzfk99MJIVU&feature=youtu.be)

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Projected Starting IX:

http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2015/03/1224653_Toronto_FC.jpg

This is the future...COYR!

I expect you would flip aparicio and chapman in this. Chapman is more of a two-way guy, isn't he? And MAnny has always looked like a between-the-lines hole player.

[CanadaLFC]

Very excited to see this much-needed addition in between Academy and MLS.

Can't wait to watch!

[OgtheDim]

Morgan getting time with TFCII is likely an indication that he won't be going to Utah. 2 trips in a week ain't a good idea.

Hope he finds his feet in USL.

[Areathrasher]

Morgan getting time with TFCII is likely an indication that he won't be going to Utah. 2 trips in a week ain't a good idea.

Hope he finds his feet in USL.

Vanney said the complete opposite today. Said it was a good chance for him to get 90 mins under his belt before next week.

[Shway]

Morgan getting time with TFCII is likely an indication that he won't be going to Utah. 2 trips in a week ain't a good idea.

Hope he finds his feet in USL.

Whats the difference between this and the first teams 9 game away stretch?

[Red CB Toronto]

Starting XI: Bono, Charpie, Simonin, Fabrizi, Morgan, Kaye, Aparicio, Mannella, Chapman, Hamilton, Babouli. #COYR (https://twitter.com/hashtag/COYR?src=hash)

[Red CB Toronto]

Subs: Roberts, Serjeant, Uccello, Mirabelli, Bouchard, Godinho, Stakic #COYR (https://twitter.com/hashtag/COYR?src=hash)

[OgtheDim]

Hmmm... 1st Round draft choice Roberts can't get a look in. Falls to 8th (at least) on the CD totem pole. Good. Should be competition at the TFCII level. (assuming he's not injured)

[mowe]

Hmmm... 1st Round draft choice Roberts can't get a look in. Falls to 8th (at least) on the CD totem pole. Good. Should be competition at the TFCII level. (assuming he's not injured)

If you're talking about Skylar Thomas then yeah he's injured. He'd probably start.

[OgtheDim]

If you're talking about Skylar Thomas then yeah he's injured. He'd probably start.

:blush:


Thanks....there has been little to no talk about him during the preseason.

[Red CB Toronto]

Skylar is injured and did not make the trip.

[reggie]

thats a really young team,i wouldnt expect to much at the start of this season.

[19Barrett19]

excited for this game i want bono to shine same for hams and chapman Babouli will suprise we actually have a good team. LETS GO REDS!

[Walms]

Jordy!!!! Goal

[Shway]

Gollasssooo Hamilton 8th minute

[Auzzy]

Route 1 does work now and then...

[CBTFC]

2-0!

What a gaffe by the keeper

[Shway]

Gollasooo babouli

[king10]

uhhh my feed must be minutes behind. im watching from the TFC website.

[OgtheDim]

Simonin with a great pass on the first goal.


Bono not exactly making good decisions either.

[Jpexxx]

Strong first 20.

Kaye is all over them. Hamilton looking strong.

Powerful boot on Bono

[Shway]

I wonder if theres a reason why theres no BMO sponsor on the front of their jerseys

[Auzzy]

Is this the stadium with alligators in a lake behind one of the goals?

[Shway]

2-1 TFC

Gooall Charleston 38th minute
Dane kelly

[TFC07]

These TFC defenders suck!

[king10]

Guys a little off topic but I'm a little confused. Is the Academy team playing in league 1 ontario or PDL. Or is the Sr team playing in one and Jr team playing in another? Because I see the academy team is listed in both leagues?

[OgtheDim]

These TFC defenders suck!

Just cut and paste that every game, eh? :)


Mind you, nobody but LAG's defence has looked good in MLS yet.

[TFC07]

Just cut and paste that every game, eh? :)


Mind you, nobody but LAG's defence has looked good in MLS yet.

True. lol

Seems like TFC look good when moving forward, but look awful in the back. It's seem like same issue with TFC II as well.

[TFC07]

Guys a little off topic but I'm a little confused. Is the Academy team playing in league 1 ontario or PDL. Or is the Sr team playing in one and Jr team playing in another? Because I see the academy team is listed in both leagues?

I believe academy team will play in both leagues (PDL season is very short unlike League One)

[king10]

I believe academy team will play in both leagues (PDL season is very short unlike League One)


ahh that makes sense. Busy summer for the academy then.

thanks!:drinking:

[FRANKIE65]

Boys had some good breaks early, but, chasing the ball too much. Need to tighten up in the second half if they want to keep/increase their lead.

[Shway]

True. lol

Seems like TFC look good when moving forward, but look awful in the back. It's seem like same issue with TFC II as well.

Very true.

The combination of Fabrizi and Cimonen is struggling, especially when they have the pacey Dane Kelly running at them.
Morgan is the only defender that is playing good going forward and defending.

[Lennon]

Are they wearing an MLS patch on the side of their jersey? lol

[Shway]

Are they wearing an MLS patch on the side of their jersey? lol

Yup. No USL Patch, and no sponsors.

[ag futbol]

The flaws in Ashton Morgan's game are obvious... even at the USL level.

[flamehawk]

Very true.

The combination of Fabrizi and Cimonen is struggling, especially when they have the pacey Dane Kelly running at them.
Morgan is the only defender that is playing good going forward and defending.

Any idea if Thomas was injured? Considering he started all through preseason, I was surprised he didn't get the start.

[Red CB Toronto]

Any idea if Thomas was injured? Considering he started all through preseason, I was surprised he didn't get the start.

Yes he is injured, did not make the trip.

[TFC07]

Who's goalkeeper? This guy sucks! Backline is awful!

This one of worst defending display I have seen in awhile.

[ag futbol]

Obvious foul on the keeper missed, but these guys need to keep their heads in the game. Charleston isn't trying to compete on skill for the most part.

[OgtheDim]

That was a clear foul on Bono but that was pretty typical of lower league play.

Oh look.........flares.

[flamehawk]

Who's goalkeeper? This guy sucks! Backline is awful!

This one of worst defending display I have seen in awhile.

I can see Bono's potential, but I really do not like the idea of him taking time away from Roberts' development.

[TFC07]

Obvious foul on the keeper missed, but these guys need to keep their heads in the game. Charleston isn't trying to compete on skill for the most part.

Foul or not, but keeper should have done better while defender need to do a better job of clearing the ball.

I agree that Charleston are just using their size and speed to try to score goals.

[TFC07]

I can see Bono's potential, but I really do not like the idea of him taking time away from Roberts' development.

Roberts probably get a start next game when he comes from international duty.

[flamehawk]

Roberts probably get a start next game when he comes from international duty.

Oh right, I forgot he was with the Canadian NT.

Aw man, another big mistake from Bono. Picking up a back pass.

[TFC07]

Take out Bono! This guy has butter fingers and now he's called for a backpass.

[Shway]

Roberts probably get a start next game when he comes from international duty.

Roberts is on the bench though.....

he should definitely start next game.

[ag futbol]

I wouldn't expect any drastic decisions in the lineup.

They want these guys to learn and they'll gladly overlook the mistakes as long as progress is made. Even if that means lost games.

[flamehawk]

Roberts probably get a start next game when he comes from international duty.


I do wonder what the plan is for gk. I am not sure alternating back and forth is a good idea either for development. Maybe they should just loan Bono out somewhere else.

[flamehawk]

Roberts is on the bench though.....

he should definitely start next game.

What's the bench? I can't find it anywhere

[Shway]

What's the bench? I can't find it anywhere

Here you go.


Subs: Roberts, Serjeant, Uccello, Mirabelli, Bouchard, Godinho, Stakic #COYR (https://twitter.com/hashtag/COYR?src=hash)

Mirabelli was just substituted on for the non existent Aparicio.

[flamehawk]

Here you go.



Mirabelli was just substituted on for the non existent Aparicio.

No Bernal on the bench after an excellent preseason. Why call up academy players, when you have players signed to TFC II

[TFC07]

I see TFC II jersey have USL pro patch on. So maybe this is why we don't see BMO sponsor logo on the jersey?

On a side note, Jordan Hamilton is having a good game and looks like a pro out there tonight.

[TFC07]

Sloppy defending by TFC.

[flamehawk]

Sloppy defending by TFC.

Have to say, none of the draft picks have looked great, though perhaps it's still to early to draw conclusions.

[OgtheDim]

I don't know enough about USL to figure out if this is the sort of bad we should expect or these guys are still in preseason mode or they are just bad.

[ag futbol]

To me the local kids look like they understand the system, everyone else looks a step behind. At worst, you'd say the draft picks look naive.

[Leedsoronto]

U think the commentator would have a team sheet as its Mannella off and Hamilton helping him Lol

Oh dear me :@(

[TFC07]

To me the local kids look like they understand the system, everyone else looks a step behind. At worst, you'd say the draft picks look naive.

Academy > NCAA

This is why I see NCAA becoming less relevant for us in the future.

[TFC07]

Wow, just wow. This team can't defend at all!

[OgtheDim]

Well they got the lose a game in extra time thing down pat.

[notthesun]

Start Roberts next game. Bono has not been good at all.

Defense needs shoring up to say the least. Hamilton is gonna score a bunch though.

[Leedsoronto]

Good first 20 mins then nothing from TFC2

[ag futbol]

This is an Arsenal-eque performance. I appreciate the skill but you can't back down when the other team gets physical. But I guess that's to be expected given it's boys v. men. Better to learn these lessons in the USL than on the first team.

Hamilton with very little in the way of service all game. They need to use the guy, probably their best player.

[Klinsmann]

Are we going to see this Rob Ford sign at every TFC away game this year????

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[jloome]

This is an Arsenal-eque performance. I appreciate the skill but you can't back down when the other team gets physical. But I guess that's to be expected given it's boys v. men. Better to learn these lessons in the USL than on the first team.

Hamilton with very little in the way of service all game. They need to use the guy, probably their best player.

Some pretty shambolic defending today. Simonin left his man too loose on the first goal and guys were dropping out of position constantly. On the plus side the midfielders have skill; but you're right, as soon as Charleston dug in, it looked like pros against first-year pros, surprised at the intensity.

[19Barrett19]

The good:
Hamilton
Babouli
Charpie
Kaye
Simonin

The bad:
Bono
Morgan
menella
Chapman

if i havent mentioned any it means i havent notice them.

[Leedsoronto]

Very few OL1 players out there from the 2014 unbeaten team? That team could beat anyone on their day. (And they did)

[flamehawk]

The good:
Hamilton
Babouli
Charpie
Kaye
Simonin

The bad:
Bono
Morgan
menella
Chapman

if i havent mentioned any it means i havent notice them.


Really? Charpie and Simonen looked pretty bad to me. Charpie with a whole bunch of reckless tackles and Simonin was to blame for the first goal and did not marshall the defence well.

[Leedsoronto]

On a plus side, the stream was excellent

[OgtheDim]

Lets not forget

That was basically a very very young expansion team vs. a league team who have some of the same people and the same coaching staff for over 10 years.

[Oldtimer]

U think the commentator would have a team sheet as its Mannella off and Hamilton helping him Lol

Oh dear me :@(

The main commentator is the owner of the Battery btw, it's something he likes doing.


Well they got the lose a game in extra time thing down pat.

We train them well. They've spent years learning from the pros.

[Detroit_TFC]

Lets not forget

That was basically a very very young expansion team vs. a league team who have some of the same people and the same coaching staff for over 10 years.

QFT. They adjusted at the half, it was very difficult for the squad to respond to that.

I thought it was a very entertaining game (from both sides), especially after the dreck in the league today.

[jloome]

The good:
Hamilton
Babouli
Charpie
Kaye
Simonin

The bad:
Bono
Morgan
menella
Chapman

if i havent mentioned any it means i havent notice them.

It's funny how people see things differently. I thought Charpie and Kaye were the two worst players on the pitch today, and Simonin was directly responsible on the first goal. Bono had a bit of a howler but also made a pair og great saves. Chapman was one of the better players on the pitch. Morgan played okay; he only blew one cross and he wasn't caught on position, which is an improvement.

Menella was pretty weak, Hamilton was good, Babouli was on a different level, the only one out there today who looked like a first-team contributor.

[Areathrasher]

Yea, funny that. I thought Kaye was impressive.

[19Barrett19]

Really? Charpie and Simonen looked pretty bad to me. Charpie with a whole bunch of reckless tackles and Simonin was to blame for the first goal and did not marshall the defence well.

The sloppy tackles was Fabrizi and simonin was better on the ball then chapman + he had an assist . I dont know what game you watched but charpie played better than morgan who has 50+ MLS games under his belt.

[19Barrett19]

Yea, funny that. I thought Kaye was impressive.

Yes he was the best TFC2 on the pitch today too bad he ran out of gas.

[19Barrett19]

It's funny how people see things differently. I thought Charpie and Kaye were the two worst players on the pitch today, and Simonin was directly responsible on the first goal. Bono had a bit of a howler but also made a pair og great saves. Chapman was one of the better players on the pitch. Morgan played okay; he only blew one cross and he wasn't caught on position, which is an improvement.

Menella was pretty weak, Hamilton was good, Babouli was on a different level, the only one out there today who looked like a first-team contributor.

Chapman and Menella gave the ball away more than Ty Harden did in one season they played bad. I know it was their first pro game so i hope that improves.

[Leedsoronto]

I think the game may have been just a mix of over confidence (first 20 mins) and nervous tension (last 70 mins) I'm sure J Bent will sort out the good from the bad for the meeting in Montreal

[Dub Narcotic]

Fun game, pretty good overall for the first game for the team ever and the first pro game for almost all of the players. The back four was pretty shocking but the team was good overall for a long road trip against a decent USL team.

The only bad thing from a TFC point of view was how average Ashtone Morgan looked. He should be dominating at this level at this point. Jordan Hamilton just scores everywhere.

[jloome]

Fun game, pretty good overall for the first game for the team ever and the first pro game for almost all of the players. The back four was pretty shocking but the team was good overall for a long road trip against a decent USL team.

The only bad thing from a TFC point of view was how average Ashtone Morgan looked. He should be dominating at this level at this point. Jordan Hamilton just scores everywhere.

The way Hamilton blew by that fullback at the byline you have to wonder how much benefit he's still getting from playing at this level.

[Red CB Toronto]

The way Hamilton blew by that fullback at the byline you have to wonder how much benefit he's still getting from playing at this level.

They ran into that last year and that is why he was sent to Portugal.

[pdubs]

The way Hamilton blew by that fullback at the byline you have to wonder how much benefit he's still getting from playing at this level.

If he could get the papers I wonder how he would fair in League One in England. Might be the appropriate level for him?

[notthesun]

Hamilton should get time in the Voyageurs Cup for sure and occasionally in MLS deeper into the season when we have injury and fatigue to deal with. If Montreal can get minutes for a guy like Porter (I know they have zero striker depth, but still) we should be able to find some for Hamilton.

[Shway]

Hamilton should get time in the Voyageurs Cup for sure and occasionally in MLS deeper into the season when we have injury and fatigue to deal with. If Montreal can get minutes for a guy like Porter (I know they have zero striker depth, but still) we should be able to find some for Hamilton.

Lol I get your point that Hamilton needs to play more. I agree.

But Porter got drafted into the perfect team that has probably 3 strikers where we have 6 that could all start on that Impact team.

[ag futbol]

Could Hamilton find time with the first team? Luke Moore is admirable but is it a stretch to say Hanilton could bring something similar and has the potential for loads of upside?

That being said there should be room for rotation, especially with international dates and the odd injury which is inevitable.

[spark]

Academy > NCAA

This is why I see NCAA becoming less relevant for us in the future.

Disagree. There will only be so many spots available on TFC II for academy players to jump into. The smart thing would be instead of just cutting ties, send them off to top NCAA programs to continue playing for 1-4 years. Not sure why TFC are behind on this but the top teams in MLS appear to have relationships with be best local and national programs to send their players out to. It's not perfect, but it does serve a purpose. Added, from a Canadian perspective, if a player went to Georgetown for example, they would likely be scouted by NYRB, DCU, Union and if TFC still didn't want them, they would have been 'in the shop window' for another club.

[jloome]

Disagree. There will only be so many spots available on TFC II for academy players to jump into. The smart thing would be instead of just cutting ties, send them off to top NCAA programs to continue playing for 1-4 years. Not sure why TFC are behind on this but the top teams in MLS appear to have relationships with be best local and national programs to send their players out to. It's not perfect, but it does serve a purpose. Added, from a Canadian perspective, if a player went to Georgetown for example, they would likely be scouted by NYRB, DCU, Union and if TFC still didn't want them, they would have been 'in the shop window' for another club.

The idea that a pro league is going to substantially benefit from kids who weren't good enough as teenagers playing for another few years at a college level seems a bit counterintuitive. Not good enough by that age is usually pretty much it; sure there are the guys who slip through the cracks, but there's a reason players go pro at 18 all around the world, and its usually because they've been in a top residency program with a pro club from age 14 on.

Nothing stops the ones who don't make it from going to college now; Dom Dwyer and Steve Zakuani were both on club books as teenagers in England but were released and went to university and showed they're good enough for this level. So I see what you're saying. But the reality is that if we had the youth infrastructure to the same level of coaching quality and residency as the clubs in the UK, not many MLS players would come out of the college ranks.

It will happen eventually; sure, keep up relationships with schools now. But be aware that in the future, trying to start an MLS career at 24 is going to see sort of absurd.

[Yohan]

Could Hamilton find time with the first team? Luke Moore is admirable but is it a stretch to say Hanilton could bring something similar and has the potential for loads of upside?

That being said there should be room for rotation, especially with international dates and the odd injury which is inevitable.
I'd love to see Hamilton get first team mins, but it's hard to argue for him vs an ex EPL striker who potted 6 goals last season. I think Moore gets a shot first, then Hamilton if Moore sucks or gets injured

[bribetaker]

Greetings to my old RPB friends from the Land of Shrimp and Grits, it's been too long. I posted a message on the BS.com forum so forgive me if I repeat myself. Below is a link to some game photos from Mrs. BT. Her galleries are in game order so the photos will follow the scoreline. She got a good sequence of your 2nd goal with our GK stumbling, our centerback recovering the ball, Babouli stealing it from him then shooting from an acute angle. It happened right in front of the supporters section where I was standing, the whole sequence was depressingly stunning. And to be fair to Morgan or whoever was supposed to be marking our tall centerbacks, you can see from the photos that both our goals were massive goalmouth scrums, people are all over each other and a leg just gets thrown out that happens to get a touch on the ball for a goal. To be fair, if that had happened to us, I would say we were a bit unlucky.

To the question about the gator, yes, he/she is still in the pond behind the stadium, getting bigger/fatter every year. Yes, the game got a bit rough cause the ref sucked for both sides, a lot of obvious contact didn't get called and the players for both sides took the gloves off in the 2nd half. I saw one of our guys crush your player from behind and was sure he was going to get tossed.....a foul was called but no card of any color. To be honest, I was a little happy to see us using some muscle, most of the time, I think we're too nice. And yes, the USL is, for the most part, more brawn than finesse. If you have a bit of talent and finesse, you should be moving up the ladder.

As for age, as opposed to the past, when we were the oldest team in the league, we're all in on youth now. We have 1 hometown player who's about 28 and been with us since college but most of our players have been with us 3 years or less and I'd say our average age is about 24-25. And our total payroll is about 5% of what Altidore makes so talent wise, I'm going to say a typical USL team vs a MLS2 squad should be a fair fight.

It was a bit surreal seeing a Toronto team playing in Blackbaud Stadium and not have a couple dozen screaming drunk Cannucks to enjoy the game with. And hearing the Canadian National Anthem without King Dave singing it a cappella just wasn't the same. Good luck on your season and hopefully our paths will cross again.

http://www.kimmorgangregory.com/SPO...leston-BATTERY-2015/BATTERY-vs-Toronto-FC-II/

[Auzzy]

Greetings to my old RPB friends from the Land of Shrimp and Grits, it's been too long. I posted a message on the BS.com forum so forgive me if I repeat myself. Below is a link to some game photos from Mrs. BT. Her galleries are in game order so the photos will follow the scoreline. She got a good sequence of your 2nd goal with our GK stumbling, our centerback recovering the ball, Babouli stealing it from him then shooting from an acute angle. It happened right in front of the supporters section where I was standing, the whole sequence was depressingly stunning. And to be fair to Morgan or whoever was supposed to be marking our tall centerbacks, you can see from the photos that both our goals were massive goalmouth scrums, people are all over each other and a leg just gets thrown out that happens to get a touch on the ball for a goal. To be fair, if that had happened to us, I would say we were a bit unlucky.

To the question about the gator, yes, he/she is still in the pond behind the stadium, getting bigger/fatter every year. Yes, the game got a bit rough cause the ref sucked for both sides, a lot of obvious contact didn't get called and the players for both sides took the gloves off in the 2nd half. I saw one of our guys crush your player from behind and was sure he was going to get tossed.....a foul was called but no card of any color. To be honest, I was a little happy to see us using some muscle, most of the time, I think we're too nice. And yes, the USL is, for the most part, more brawn than finesse. If you have a bit of talent and finesse, you should be moving up the ladder.

As for age, as opposed to the past, when we were the oldest team in the league, we're all in on youth now. We have 1 hometown player who's about 28 and been with us since college but most of our players have been with us 3 years or less and I'd say our average age is about 24-25. And our total payroll is about 5% of what Altidore makes so talent wise, I'm going to say a typical USL team vs a MLS2 squad should be a fair fight.

It was a bit surreal seeing a Toronto team playing in Blackbaud Stadium and not have a couple dozen screaming drunk Cannucks to enjoy the game with. And hearing the Canadian National Anthem without King Dave singing it a cappella just wasn't the same. Good luck on your season and hopefully our paths will cross again.

http://www.kimmorgangregory.com/SPO...leston-BATTERY-2015/BATTERY-vs-Toronto-FC-II/


Ha ha bribetaker nicely said! Thanks for the gator info -- I thought there was a whole squad in there, ready to gobble up whatever came their way. (I was hoping we could get a couple on loan, our 1st team backline is really thin these days.) I'm sad I never made it down to the tournament at your club in years past, always sounded like a great event.

Funny, even though I watched most of the game on the weekend, I've already forgotten most of it....

BTW, there's something wrong with the link to the photos in your post, maybe you can edit your post/fix the link? I get "404 Page not found."

Thanks for stopping by!

[ag futbol]

I'd love to see Hamilton get first team mins, but it's hard to argue for him vs an ex EPL striker who potted 6 goals last season. I think Moore gets a shot first, then Hamilton if Moore sucks or gets injured
I don't think it's too uneven. He always looks capable whenever he plays. Rohan Rickets used to play in the epl too...

[bribetaker]

BTW, there's something wrong with the link to the photos in your post, maybe you can edit your post/fix the link?

Thanks...not sure what happened, but lets try that again.

http://www.kimmorgangregory.com/SPORTS/SOCCER/CHARLESTON-BATTERY/Charleston-BATTERY-2015/BATTERY-vs-Toronto-FC-II/