TFC vs NYRB IMG Suncoast Pro Classic

[dutch]

I hope I didnt miss a different thread. I am so pumped for this game! Pre season my ass, Both teams are going to want to win this one outright. Very excited for wednesday to come.
In other news, is Columbus just wrecking this or what. I saw the 7-0 score than I saw them beating costa rica u-23? if I got that correct.
Would love a game against any national side for TFC

[OgtheDim]

Hate to tell you this but Vanney has indicated the starters will not be playing.

And Bradley is in New York at the CBA negotiations.

[mcolvy]

Hate to tell you this but Vanney has indicated the starters will not be playing.

And Bradley is in New York at the CBA negotiations.

Why does this guy always have to play hero. Captain America. We need our captain with the team building our team culture and working on our system.

Why wouldn't we send Bendik. He is solid and has nothing to learn when it comes to team systems. Our other keepers could use games anyways.

I don't understand how we let Bradley go. And when the season does get underway you can bet Vanney, Bez and probably him will blame 'Bradley having to leave to take care of cba stuff' as a reason for why the team isn't oerforming to where they should be. That it impeded the team.

[barticusz]

Why does this guy always have to play hero. Captain America. We need our captain with the team building our team culture and working on our system.

Why wouldn't we send Bendik. He is solid and has nothing to learn when it comes to team systems. Our other keepers could use games anyways.

I don't understand how we let Bradley go. And when the season does get underway you can bet Vanney, Bez and probably him will blame 'Bradley having to leave to take care of cba stuff' as a reason for why the team isn't oerforming to where they should be. That it impeded the team.


Bradley was never going to be playing on Wednesday anyways.. the majority of the first team if not all are taking the day off as per Vanney. They will all be playing on Saturday.

[Dub Narcotic]

Bradley is the union rep, voted on by his teammates. Did you think the team was sending him to represent the players?

[flamehawk]

Why does this guy always have to play hero. Captain America. We need our captain with the team building our team culture and working on our system.

Why wouldn't we send Bendik. He is solid and has nothing to learn when it comes to team systems. Our other keepers could use games anyways.

I don't understand how we let Bradley go. And when the season does get underway you can bet Vanney, Bez and probably him will blame 'Bradley having to leave to take care of cba stuff' as a reason for why the team isn't oerforming to where they should be. That it impeded the team.

I don't think it's up to the club which representative goes; it's up to the players. And really, there's some things (and I am suggesting labour negotiations) much more important than our performance this year. If Bradley is the better negotiator he should definitely go. These negotiations will have much more significance to the long-term development of the game in N. America and here in Toronto than whether Bradley shows up for one friendly.

[Auzzy]

Yup they confirmed they want to get the guys on a 1-game-a-week rhythm which is the norm at the beginning of the system, ramp them up gradually -- I know that busier stretches will also be happening.

[OgtheDim]

Why does this guy always have to play hero. Captain America.

It drives him.


That and his agent is one of the more powerful ones in MLS circles. Having one of the leagues Marquee DP's at the CBA negotiations is a PR coup for the union.

[Detroit_TFC]

Even though it probably means we'll get thumped, I'm ok with the bench playing this game. They need the playing time and they need to step up and do better than they did vs OKC. We're going to need to rely on these guys during a lot of the season, especially during Gold Cup.

[Graeme]

Hmmm...B team, eh? Will we see the same formation?

-------------------Konopka---------------------
--Bloom??---Zavaleta--Hagglund---Morgan--
-----------Warner--------Jackson???----------
--Moore???-----Mannella???-----Delgado----
-------------Dike???---------------------------

Maybe we'll see Findley, Lovitz or Creaville, or even Chapman, Aparicio or Hamilton!

[dutch]

either way its a game against NYRB so it probably has meaning to the players rather than OKC and Koge. I could see Zavaleta, Warner, Jackson, Moore and Dike all as starters if anyone on the starting 11 dosent do as planned.

[OgtheDim]

And Bradley is in New York at the CBA negotiations.

I'm wrong on that one.


I agree with Dutch though - should see a bit more starters and people fighting for spots.

[GhostKiller]

Is anyone else worried that we have had piss all in regards to pre season action for the boys to jell? This is the one game against an opponent considered our equals and we are playing the B team. Not saying that we should be playing the A team but come on...some more pre season action against quality opponents would be nice. I feel we are going to Vancouver drastically underprepared.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Is anyone else worried that we have had piss all in regards to pre season action for the boys to jell? This is the one game against an opponent considered our equals and we are playing the B team. Not saying that we should be playing the A team but come on...some more pre season action against quality opponents would be nice. I feel we are going to Vancouver drastically underprepared.

Anyone do the search on what others teams did in pre-season?

I know one of the main reasons ours wasn't up to scratch was the lack of commitment for a tourney when the CBA is still up in the air...

[Graeme]

Revised after some quotes from Vanney.




-------------------Bendik---------------------
--Bloom??---Zavaleta--Simonin---Morgan--
-----------Warner--------Delgado-------------
--Jackson-----Mannella???-----Chapman----
-------------Moore/Dike?---------------------------

Maybe we'll see Findley, Lovitz or Creaville, or even Aparicio or Hamilton!

[Super]

Season kicks off in about 10 days. I hope we will continue to field the best 11 in the first half at least. Need to keep giving them minutes.

[Super]

Is anyone else worried that we have had piss all in regards to pre season action for the boys to jell? This is the one game against an opponent considered our equals and we are playing the B team. Not saying that we should be playing the A team but come on...some more pre season action against quality opponents would be nice. I feel we are going to Vancouver drastically underprepared.

Not too bad actually. We've been playing our best players in both our first games. I hope we will continue to do that. No point in testing out how bench or trialists gel with each other. Vancouver will punish us!

[notthesun]

If anyone remembers the nightmare injury-filled preseason we had last year, personally I don't mind them taking it a little easier on the starters this year.

I remember we hired that new fitness coach at the start of last year. No injuries in preseason thus far... is that fitness coach still with the club?

[Initial B]

I thought that coach/trainer was fired along with the majority of the coaching staff. Vanney brought in all new staff except for Jason Bent.

[nfitz]

Season kicks off in about 10 days.Only if Captain America can save the day!

[Smokecell]

If anyone remembers the nightmare injury-filled preseason we had last year, personally I don't mind them taking it a little easier on the starters this year.

I remember we hired that new fitness coach at the start of last year. No injuries in preseason thus far... is that fitness coach still with the club?

No Adrian Lamb has joined the Fire coaching staff

[notthesun]

No Adrian Lamb has joined the Fire coaching staff

Interesting. Might have to keep taps on Chicago's health going into the season.

I'm willing to accept some bad luck but it was insane how many injuries we had in preseason last year. Someone was pushing the team too hard.

[notthesun]

Starters: Konopka; Bloom, Hagglund, Zavaleta, Morgan; Chapman, Warner, Delgado, Lovitz; Moore, Dike.

Bench: Bernal, Charpie, Bono, Aparicio, Simonin, Molham Babouli, Ramos.

Would love to see Simonin and Babouli off the bench especially.

[portu]

Starters: Konopka; Bloom, Hagglund, Zavaleta, Morgan; Chapman, Warner, Delgado, Lovitz; Moore, Dike.

Bench: Bernal, Charpie, Bono, Aparicio, Simonin, Molham Babouli, Ramos.

Would love to see Simonin and Babouli off the bench especially.

Bono and Aparicio as well.

[dutch]

I see no reason to not play your starters for half a match. It is preseason after all against real competition
Really am excited to see Zavaleta, Delgado and Simonin. I want to see Dike healthy and fighting for a spot.
Can any of these defenders take hagglund and blooms spots I wonder.
Where is Creavalle in all this, I couldnt find him.

[Graeme]

Where is Creavalle in all this, I couldnt find him.

I guess starting spot is his to lose at this point?

[OgtheDim]

Weather is awful. Don't be surprised if the stream looks pathetic.

[Yohan]

http://imgacademy.com/sand-sun-soccer-livestream-2

[dutch]

Thanks Yohan

[FRANKIE65]

Going to be an interesting one. Looking forward to seeing the "B" squad in action.

[flamehawk]

Bono and Aparicio as well.

and Bernal. He's scored in every game so far and both goals have been spectacular.

[JavierMartini]

and Bernal. He's scored in every game so far and both goals have been spectacular.

where did you find clips of the goals?

[ronzilla]

This is going to be unwatchable. Choppy feed, fog, and a cameraman that doesn't know how to use the zoom.

[Mark TFC]

Gimme some sound, dammit!

[JavierMartini]

no commentary? :P

[JavierMartini]

Gimme some sound, dammit!

No sound for you!

[dutch]

Its on Bet365!
http://www.bet365.com/home/FlashGen4/WebConsoleApp.asp?cb=1058121102454781533

pays 3.10 times your bet for TFC and 2.10 for nyrb and 3.30 for the draw.

[dutch]

LOOK AT THE CLARITY!! Holy shit
I thought they splurged and bought a Camera with 1080 video and a tripod
but its actually multiple pro cameras

[OgtheDim]

Is that this year's kit?

[flamehawk]

where did you find clips of the goals?

One was in the interview with one of the players (either Babouli or Simeon), the other was in a post-match analysis video.

Both I believe involved him scoring from a fairly tight angle, top right corner. If you watch Bernal's highlights from university, a lot of his goals look like that.

[flamehawk]

Is that this year's kit?
Nope those have white stripes.

[flamehawk]

Man, I wish Zubar played for us. One of my favourite players during his time at Wolves.

[Auzzy]

Good stream tonight!

Although it just got a bit fuzzy... getting better again.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Good stream and weather is co-operating.

Lovitz! nice attack.

[Auzzy]

Game pretty choppy though so far. I was expecting that from TFC -- NY not so much.

[dutch]

Looked rough off the hop.
10 minutes in, TFC could really win this one

[Fort York Redcoat]

its a NYRB bias commentary. not surprised but it may get grating.

[Auzzy]

The ref is from NY. I wonder how that will work out.

[Auzzy]

Oh man, TFC had an amazing chance there, wasted.

[Graeme]

Chapman seems a step behind?

[Fort York Redcoat]

Morgan with a yellow...

[dutch]

is NY playing a b squad? they look faster, quick to shut down tfc's possesion

[Auzzy]

Oh shit, 2nd time off the post!

[Fort York Redcoat]

POST!!

Okay it's been straight NYRB talk since my last post. its getting sickening.

[Dv23]

Post again. Damn.

I have to say, this is a poor game from both sides. Morgan, Warner, and Delgado seem to have little passing ability. Chapman is slow, and Moore doesn't seem to know where to be. Not a good performance so far.

[dutch]

Dike is a beast out there, keep thinkin its altidore lol

[Fort York Redcoat]

Post again. Damn.

I have to say, this is a poor game from both sides. Morgan, Warner, and Delgado seem to have little passing ability. Chapman is slow, and Moore doesn't seem to know where to be. Not a good performance so far.

On the ground? because I thought that was him with the header off the post.

[Leedsoronto]

How much for BWPhilipz ???

[notthesun]

Well, that explains why Konopka is a 3rd-stringer.

[Fort York Redcoat]

BWP with the goal.

I wish I could see a replay.

[OgtheDim]

Konopka missed that one from the looks of things.

[OgtheDim]

BWP with the goal.

I wish I could see a replay.

On my feed, you can move the feed back and forth and then press live to get back to things.

[JavierMartini]

BWP with the goal.

I wish I could see a replay.

looks like we stopped playing looking for a whistle then they slotted it in. Konopka looked soo poor.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Lost the broadcast.

[flamehawk]

BWP with the goal.

I wish I could see a replay.

You could, just scroll back on the bar at the bottom.

[ronzilla]

Stream went dead.

[Auzzy]

Well that sucks. Stream got much better for me for a moment, before it died.

[Fort York Redcoat]

aaannnnnd we're back.

Nice shot by Chapman

[pdubs]

Chapman with some moves!

[Auzzy]

Stream is back for me.

Too bad, TFC has really had at least 4 great chances, should have scored 1 or 2 by now. I don't think NY has had as many clear-cut chances. NY defence doesn't look great IMO.

[dutch]

you can select 720p quality on the bottom.
nice attempt by Chapman

[ronzilla]

IMG stream is a lot more clearer

http://imgacademy.com/sand-sun-soccer-livestream-2

[pdubs]

put Bono in.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I hate the bias but i appreciate the players backgrounds...

Annnnd lost the feed again loading....

[Leedsoronto]

WTF it's like LEGGO men soccer stream now

[ronzilla]

ahhh now this one crapped out too.

[tfcleeds]

I still think NYRB fans are delusional in thinking BWP is their saviour. He had ONE good season last year. He was marginal at best in England. One-hit wonder as far as I'm concerned.

[kshep]

pretty much might as well wait until its up on youtube.

[OgtheDim]

Morgan just isn't good enough.

That's Zavelleta doing the cross passes to the right. Seems to be something we are going to do.

[Fort York Redcoat]

That was painful listening to one of them try to not give Toronto credit. It was like his brain was skipping and needed a better stream.g:D

[dutch]

http://imgacademy.com/sand-sun-soccer-livestream-2
This has been perfect 720p since it started. 2 or 3 hicups for 20 seconds but il take that over a shaky cell phone camera lol

[Auzzy]

I think TFC's B-team freekicks look better than last year's A-team?

[Fort York Redcoat]

I think TFC's B-team freekicks look better than last year's A-team?

Cannot disagree this game so far. Impressive.

[OgtheDim]

Warner's free kicks doing pretty good. He was pathetic last season.

[pdubs]

They had the wind with them so that might be a factor.

I hate Morgan. guh.

[FRANKIE65]

I'll take that half. Decent effort, could have had a couple...good save, and, a post.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Warner's free kicks doing pretty good. He was pathetic last season.


Shit that's Warner??? Okay...I'll give him that.

[Fishnicker]

Anyone find those IMG academy ads strange? I think I want to go invade somewhere...

[Auzzy]

Anyone find those IMG academy ads strange? I think I want to go invade somewhere...

Yeah I was just thinking that!

[flamehawk]

Anyone find those IMG academy ads strange? I think I want to go invade somewhere...

Oh god, I was about to post about how sick of them I was. It's so damn cheesy, and wtf is a campion?

[Auzzy]

Anyone else think Dike looks a bit slow so far?

[Auzzy]

Oh that's crap.

[Fort York Redcoat]

That was quite a break down. Feel bad for Bono.

Need to settle in here.

[OgtheDim]

That looked TFC defence circa 2012.

[woolly]

That looked TFC defence circa every freakin' year.

Fixed that for ya

[dutch]

I like calling some of Toronto FC's starters from 2014
The B team lol

[Auzzy]

Homer ref.

[JavierMartini]

Homer ref.

Homer commentators with blinding bias.

Talking about Bono like he scraped into the mls and wasn't in the us camp. LOL You know it's bad when they start neglecting to mention their brightest prospects because they play for tfc >.<

[Auzzy]

NY B team basically playing better than the A team. Probably some hungry young players trying to earn a spot.

[Auzzy]

Homer commentators with blinding bias.

Talking about Bono like he scraped into the mls and wasn't in the us camp. LOL You know it's bad when they start neglecting to mention their brightest prospects because they play for tfc >.<

Agreed.

[Auzzy]

Oh you have got to be kidding me!

[Fort York Redcoat]

F*ck, Chapman!

Just taaaaaaaaap it in...

[JavierMartini]

LOL oh that's gonna end up on some 240p compilation of worst soccer misses.

[OgtheDim]

Vanney leaving them out there to figure it out.

[Fort York Redcoat]

So we're looking at an early start time Sat.

noon?

[JavierMartini]

apparently Morgan was a homegrown allstar in portland? 0_o

[JavierMartini]

dike goes down holding his left leg 0_0 hopefully nothing buy this guy is made of glass.

[flamehawk]

apparently Morgan was a homegrown allstar in portland? 0_o

Yep. It was an interesting game.

[JavierMartini]

Yep. It was an interesting game.

I was going to make a joke about it but Warner is just so dreadful in the midfield. Morgan is actually doing work with his speed.

[OgtheDim]

So we're looking at an early start time Sat.

noon?

The schedule only includes 2 games. The NY homers were suggesting TFC shouldn't get a game cause they didn't earn it.

Somebody remind them who is paying to be down there.

[Detroit_TFC]

NY B team basically playing better than the A team. Probably some hungry young players trying to earn a spot.

yeah, seemed like that to me too.

[kshep]

Does anyone else find it slightly ridiculous that we played our B team against an MLS side and for our final pre-season match before we kick off our season, our A team will face a U-23 side?

Redbull would have been a better warm up for the starters, Yes/no?

I understand Vanney wants the starters use to playing once a week, this also gives me the belief that we will not be heading back to champions League play until we've reach the playoffs in league play. I suspect the side we saw against Redbull will be the side playing in mid week Voyagers cup matches.

So unless the B team improves drastically between now and then, we're sunk imo. The Caps and Impact will be bringing their A game most likely.

BTW, I'm super jealous of the fact that the Caps have Robinson as their manager, by all appearances he seems to have them playing great soccer, he seems far more confident than Vanney as a manager, and so far has been a very shrewd evaluator of talent. Wish we have never fucked him by sending him to Redbull, maybe then he'd have been in our system.

[Yohan]

there is suppose to be one more game on Sat IIRC

[Fort York Redcoat]

Does anyone else find it slightly ridiculous that we played our B team against an MLS side and for our final pre-season match before we kick off our season, our A team will face a U-23 side?

Redbull would have been a better warm up for the starters, Yes/no?

I understand Vanney wants the starters use to playing once a week, this also gives me the belief that we will not be heading back to champions League play until we've reach the playoffs in league play. I suspect the side we saw against Redbull will be the side playing in mid week Voyagers cup matches.

So unless the B team improves drastically between now and then, we're sunk imo. The Caps and Impact will be bringing their A game most likely.

BTW, I'm super jealous of the fact that the Caps have Robinson as their manager, by all appearances he seems to have them playing great soccer, he seems far more confident than Vanney as a manager, and so far has been a very shrewd evaluator of talent. Wish we have never fucked him by sending him to Redbull, maybe then he'd have been in our system.

It seems reversed from matching like for like but its preseason when experiments occur. Vanney mentioned the schedule but it could be other strategic reasoning he doesn't wish to divulge.

Like yourself I will revisit this policy if he repeats it during Vcup.

I don't agree with it but playoffs are the unstated goal once again. At least they aren't guaranteeing it this year. One less thing that could go wrong.

[Carts]

Does anyone else find it slightly ridiculous that we played our B team against an MLS side and for our final pre-season match before we kick off our season, our A team will face a U-23 side?

Redbull would have been a better warm up for the starters, Yes/no?



Some coaches do have the mindset that you never play an opposing side with your starting-11 prior to league competition. Whether that be right or wrong, to each their own - but its definitely a theory, strategy that many enforce...

Also, some feel that warmup games against lower opposition is better. Squash matches (I don't agree with this at all but its out there). Commonly used in NCAA Football where a DI will beat the holy hell out of some poor DIII team prior to the season for confidence. (different type of spot I know, but some believe this to be the best way in other sports). Of course this can backfire, if said low-level teams gives you a go...

I have no idea if this is the case - but it's something other coaches employ so it could be the same here...

Carts...

[Fort York Redcoat]

there is suppose to be one more game on Sat IIRC

That's what I've seen in the original sched but it seems tickets are for the last 2 matches alone. Whether that means only that the lower seeded games are free or that they are cancelled I do not know.

[Red CB Toronto]

That's what I've seen in the original sched but it seems tickets are for the last 2 matches alone. Whether that means only that the lower seeded games are free or that they are cancelled I do not know.

The Reds are playing the Costa Rica U23 National team.

[Carts]

The Reds are playing the Costa Rica U23 National team.

Their senior team is FIFA Ranked #13 - I'm guessing their U23 has some pretty decent talent...

[FRANKIE65]

Their senior team is FIFA Ranked #13 - I'm guessing their U23 has some pretty decent talent...

Agreed, one of the big surprises at last year's World Cup.

[jloome]

Their senior team is FIFA Ranked #13 - I'm guessing their U23 has some pretty decent talent...

Yeah, although they haven't scored a goal yet against MLS competition.

Man, I wouldn't want to lay a bet on this season. Who knows what's going to happen?

[Fort York Redcoat]

Yeah, although they haven't scored a goal yet against MLS competition.

Man, I wouldn't want to lay a bet on this season. Who knows what's going to happen?

Its early to say but barring an incredible improvement and cohesion Sat I'm prepared to call this preseason another in a line of squandered potential to see a proper ramp up to the season with a dose of chemistry. The hopeful flashes have been too few.

[Kamp Berg]

Does anyone know if the game was posted for viewing on youtube? I looked, but no luck finding it.

[Fishnicker]

Does anyone else find it slightly ridiculous that we played our B team against an MLS side and for our final pre-season match before we kick off our season, our A team will face a U-23 side?

Redbull would have been a better warm up for the starters, Yes/no?

I understand Vanney wants the starters use to playing once a week, this also gives me the belief that we will not be heading back to champions League play until we've reach the playoffs in league play. I suspect the side we saw against Redbull will be the side playing in mid week Voyagers cup matches.

So unless the B team improves drastically between now and then, we're sunk imo. The Caps and Impact will be bringing their A game most likely.

BTW, I'm super jealous of the fact that the Caps have Robinson as their manager, by all appearances he seems to have them playing great soccer, he seems far more confident than Vanney as a manager, and so far has been a very shrewd evaluator of talent. Wish we have never fucked him by sending him to Redbull, maybe then he'd have been in our system.

In the pre-match interview, Robin Fraser stated "appropriate rest days" as the reason behind the A team not playing. With a 6 fold increase in injuries with less than 5 days between games, that's a pretty good reason not to have them go full out. In addition, they may have had a "hard" day on Tuesday, and the last thing you should do is play a match the next day.

I understand the desire to have our best play against top competition to get ready, but it has to be carefully weighed against the athlete's recovery. Vanney is on top of this stuff, and I think it's the reason we've been injury free so far.

I know Vanney attended Verheijen's talk at the recent UofT coaches conf., and Verheijen is one of the top experts in football periodization, so I will trust him on this.

[jazzy]

Its early to say but barring an incredible improvement and cohesion Sat I'm prepared to call this preseason another in a line of squandered potential to see a proper ramp up to the season with a dose of chemistry. The hopeful flashes have been too few.

Agreed..... Watching the 'A' team the other day shocked me watching the mls blue collars..... hold the ball way to long while our 'stars' were constantly looking for it. As a previous supporter of Lovitz his touch let him down and his crosses were lacking. Our weaker players really showed up our problem areas. And Bendict was simply not in the game..... Perquis stopped 2 goals with Bendict out of position. The teams in our division look very prepared. One thing is certain. There are no guarantees on success this year. What I was afraid of its everyone is trying FYI impress the stars instead of paying their game. I have yet to see a team playing out there, it's early but, hopefully they settle down.

[ag futbol]

I'd like to see a comparison of pre-season / regular season results. I'd suspect the correlation is close to zero.

Not really much to take from all this.

[Shakes McQueen]

It's easy to want to draw conclusions from pre-season play, but like ag, I suspect the statistically significant correlation isn't there.

[Super]

Does anyone know if tomorrow's game will be streamed? Also, what time? They say afternoon, but specifics would be great.

[redisthenewblk]

Not sure of the exact time but the IMG website says the two afternoon games will be at 12:00 and 2:30. Doesn't look like IMG will be streaming the games, but maybe TFC will get something set-up.

[ronzilla]

That's going to suck if the game is not streamed, knowing that the starters will be playing. Hope TFC will do it.

[Super]

I'd love to see how they look before the season kicks off. That is of course if it does kick off.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Does anyone know if tomorrow's game will be streamed? Also, what time? They say afternoon, but specifics would be great.


Not sure of the exact time but the IMG website says the two afternoon games will be at 12:00 and 2:30. Doesn't look like IMG will be streaming the games, but maybe TFC will get something set-up.

Most tourneys would put the lowest seeded games first. I'll be looking around at noon.

[Super]

Most tourneys would put the lowest seeded games first. I'll be looking around at noon.

Will do, thanks!

[kshep]

Then it will be the 2:30 match.. that London fc and the foreign club, that we beat would be the nooner.

[OgtheDim]

TFC just tweeted 2:30 pm and live streamed.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Will do, thanks!


Then it will be the 2:30 match.. that London fc and the foreign club, that we beat would be the nooner.


TFC just tweeted 2:30 pm and live streamed.

Confirmed on their site as well we have the 2:30pm. Thanks Gents!