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CBTFC
02-21-2015, 08:40 AM
Looking to be another breezy game down in Bradenton, with forecasted wind gusts of up to 30km/h around game time. Let's hope they show a little more cohesiveness this time around.

:drum:

Areathrasher
02-21-2015, 09:05 AM
In for the overreaction whatever result

CBTFC
02-21-2015, 09:09 AM
In for the overreaction whatever result

Win = plan the parade route

Lose = fire the coach, sell everyone and commence entire re-build.

Just in case anyone was unsure of the guidelines ;)

kshep
02-21-2015, 09:16 AM
Win = plan the parade route

Lose = fire the coach, sell everyone and commence entire re-build.

Just in case anyone was unsure of the guidelines ;)

What do we do if we draw? :drinking:

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 09:42 AM
What do we do if we draw? :drinking:

Draw = put coach on notice, demand players put in effort, draw up list of potential DP's, change fantasy league picks....again

FRANKIE65
02-21-2015, 09:44 AM
Looking forward to round 2. We'll hopefully see a bit more cohesion.

Areathrasher
02-21-2015, 09:50 AM
This Danish team drew with NYRB in the previous game FYI.

Super
02-21-2015, 09:51 AM
I'm hoping we'll look more like a good MLS side rather than a poor NASL side. I'd like to see more tempo. More urgency. I'd like to see players push to show the manager that they deserve a starting spot. Passion. All the things that we typically do not see from a TFC team.

Super
02-21-2015, 09:54 AM
This Danish team drew with NYRB in the previous game FYI.

Second tier Danish team currently sitting in 8th spot out of 12 teams, 1 point out of relegation to the 3rd tier. They kick off the second half of their season in about a month time.

Areathrasher
02-21-2015, 11:04 AM
Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 59s59 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/569164839861534720)View translation
#TFCLive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFCLive?src=hash) starting XI: Bendik, Creavalle, Perquis, Caldwell, Morrow, Bradley, Cheyrou, Giovinco, Osorio, Lovitz, Altidore

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 11:09 AM
Creavalle, Caldwell, and Lovitz in for Bloom, Hagglund, and Findley. I like the changes, especially Lovitz for Findley.

AdamAM
02-21-2015, 11:23 AM
Vanney actually subbed OUT the players that didn't play well last game and replaced them with players that DID play well last game? This is the most excited I've been all offseason ;)

SoccMan2
02-21-2015, 11:24 AM
So where is Jackson, still in Brazil?

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 11:31 AM
I think Jackson fit what Nelsen wanted to do. I really don't think he fits what Vanney wants to do. I find it strange that they even re-signed him in the offseason at the cost of a first round pick

Stress
02-21-2015, 11:37 AM
So where is Jackson, still in Brazil?

He just joined the camp a day or two ago. No way he's fit enough yet and he likely hasn't had much (if any) time to train with the team.

SoccMan2
02-21-2015, 11:39 AM
Well I think Jackson if he does not fit in can be good trade bait, because I can see a number of teams taking him.

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 11:45 AM
Any streams for this one?

Super
02-21-2015, 11:48 AM
http://hbkoge.dk/Default.aspx?ID=47&Action=1&NewsId=5524&PID=150

Super
02-21-2015, 11:48 AM
Any streams for this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJnz4JgWOE#t=148

portu
02-21-2015, 11:51 AM
For anyone interested this was the fifa rating of HB Koge in 2012 when they were in the Superliga and therefore supposedly at their best. http://sofifa.com/team/826-hb-koge?v=fifa12&hl=en-GB

Petor
02-21-2015, 12:01 PM
The weather for todays match...

http://www.theweathernetwork.com/hourly-weather-forecast/united-states/florida/bradenton

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 12:01 PM
thanks for the links!

tfcleeds
02-21-2015, 12:03 PM
Why is it such a crappy stream today? Wednesday's was much better.

gracos
02-21-2015, 12:04 PM
I hope we score at least once today??

Super
02-21-2015, 12:04 PM
Here's hoping we'll take this game a bit more seriously than the last one. I understand we're not playing for a real cup, and that the result shouldn't matter. But it's all about optics. Ask top managers at top clubs around the world if they care about losing friendlies. It's about having a winning mentality - in training, in friendlies, in league games. Be fast, sharp, and play with passion. Wear the jersey with pride. Show us how you can win against a second division Danish side that is fighting relegation.

Thanks :)

flamehawk
02-21-2015, 12:05 PM
Is it just me or is this stream horrible. Constant stuttering.

tfcleeds
02-21-2015, 12:07 PM
Is it just me or is this stream horrible. Constant stuttering.

No, it's not just you. I may have to tune out and just find out what the final score was later. This is unwatchable (at least it is on the TFC site).

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 12:08 PM
Is it just me or is this stream horrible. Constant stuttering.

Welcome to the preseason.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 12:10 PM
This is one of the worst feeds I've seen for a Toronto match. This is like watching Canada away 8 years ago.

flamehawk
02-21-2015, 12:10 PM
Welcome to the preseason.

Well, much rather have a poor stream versus no stream. Would love to spend my holidays at a preseason tournament someday, if my fiance ever lets me.

Super
02-21-2015, 12:11 PM
This is one of the worst feeds I've seen for a Toronto match. This is like watching Canada away 8 years ago.

767 people watching the feed right now. I guess that maxed out their broadband.

reggie
02-21-2015, 12:13 PM
can we ever play a preseason game in a real stadium...i cant watch this field level crap.cya

rocktml
02-21-2015, 12:13 PM
wow so laggy its literally unwatchable......shame

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 12:15 PM
Refs in this preseason making it clear to Gio that here in NA, fouls aren't called

jabbronies
02-21-2015, 12:15 PM
The stream is bad. It's stuttering - At least it's not cutting out altogether or in chunks. Better than nothing.
reminds me of old cell phone video.

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 12:15 PM
Its amazing that a team owned by two media giants can't get a proper production then someone with a cellphone or a go pro on a selfie stick.

CBTFC
02-21-2015, 12:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJnz4JgWOE#t=148

I've tried this link several times now, and all i get is a black background with "please stand by" in white letters.

jabbronies
02-21-2015, 12:18 PM
Fucking Hell - how did they miss that! Bendik was totally out of position.

flamehawk
02-21-2015, 12:18 PM
lol, a bit of a defensive lapse and goalmouth scramble. The ball landed on a Koge player's feet in front of a Bendik-less net but he blasts it up and over the bar.

Super
02-21-2015, 12:18 PM
So far HB Koege looks a lot more dangerous.

mowe
02-21-2015, 12:18 PM
Holy shit goal line clearance, they really shouldve scored

Redpunkfiddle
02-21-2015, 12:18 PM
767 people watching the feed right now. I guess that maxed out their broadband.


can we ever play a preseason game in a real stadium...i cant watch this field level crap.cya

766 people watching now. Maybe the stream will improve

jabbronies
02-21-2015, 12:19 PM
One of the things this team needs to work on is ball clearance from the defence.

Still Kicking
02-21-2015, 12:29 PM
So far my fave Danish player is Hans Christian Anderson...

rocktml
02-21-2015, 12:30 PM
wtf is going. no attack by tfc what so ever

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 12:30 PM
Cheyrou and Bradley are going to be an awesome pairing this year. I'd like Osorio and Lovitz to switch sides and play closer to Giovinco

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 12:32 PM
Its amazing that a team owned by two media giants can't get a proper production then someone with a cellphone or a go pro on a selfie stick.


Well said.

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 12:33 PM
After watching Seattle dismantle Tuscon, watching our offense is worrisome.

Super
02-21-2015, 12:35 PM
Nice pressure on Koege right now. We need to increase the pace and use our technical skills to overwhelm them.

SoccMan2
02-21-2015, 12:35 PM
Too many players being caught in possesion, too many passes going astray, no fluidity.

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 12:36 PM
Its amazing that a team owned by two media giants can't get a proper production then someone with a cellphone or a go pro on a selfie stick.
Not really surprising though considering how shite both Bell and Rogers' internet service is. Especially Rogers

AdamAM
02-21-2015, 12:36 PM
After watching Seattle dismantle Tuscon, watching our offense is worrisome.

Seattle have also been together for a very long time. Give the players some time to gel, we have the talent.

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 12:37 PM
Not really surprising though considering how shite both Bell and Rogers' internet service is. Especially Rogers

Always hear of problems ect I've never had any I find there service pretty good. Guess I might just be getting lucky.

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 12:38 PM
Ball goes out left to morrow -> low cross to HBK defender
Ball goes left to Lovitz -> runs to the line and sends it low into the feet of the first defender

How about we try a different strategy of attack?

Super
02-21-2015, 12:39 PM
Not really surprising though considering how shite both Bell and Rogers' internet service is. Especially Rogers

I have a 500gb plan with Rogers and I have zero problems with my internet.

Super
02-21-2015, 12:39 PM
Ball goes out left to morrow -> low cross to HBK defender
Ball goes left to Lovitz -> runs to the line and sends it low into the feet of the first defender

How about we try a different strategy of attack?

Vanney is a rookie coach. Give him time to learn on the job.

Soccerpro
02-21-2015, 12:41 PM
Vanney is a rookie coach. Give him time to learn on the job.

Wrong club for that....

Super
02-21-2015, 12:41 PM
Wrong club for that....

That's how we do it. Outside of Preki they have all been rookies.

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 12:42 PM
Starting to overwhelm them a bit. Quality in the middle obvious. Fullbacks and wingers questionable, with the exception of Morrow.

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 12:44 PM
Ahhh, finish that!!

Super
02-21-2015, 12:45 PM
Osorio almost scored. Fantastic save by the Koege keeper. We look quite good right now. More urgency. Like every ball matters.

FRANKIE65
02-21-2015, 12:47 PM
More drive now. Oso should have had that one.

Soccerpro
02-21-2015, 12:47 PM
Starting to overwhelm them a bit. Quality in the middle obvious. Fullbacks and wingers questionable, with the exception of Morrow.

Teams are going to clog the middle against us. I don't see our wingers getting the job done currently.

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 12:48 PM
Wrong club for that....

We don't know how Vanney will be the most we can do is support them.

Plus was Petke the wrong coach for there club?
Kreis?
Porter?

All clubs that too a chance and made the playoffs and contended for Supporters Shield and MLS Cup.

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 12:49 PM
Vanney is a rookie coach. Give him time to learn on the job.
I'm not worried yet about how we'll be this season. I'm just commenting on what I see right now that's lacking. They still have to practice attacks (they've been focusing on defensive organization so far. I think things will be better in MLS where things are a lot more wide open than they are against smaller teams that put everyone behind the ball. It's hard to put defensive organization into practice when you're playing against a team that barely has the ball

Super
02-21-2015, 12:50 PM
We don't know how Vanney will be the most we can do is support them.

Plus was Petke the wrong coach for there club?
Kreis?
Porter?

All clubs that too a chance and made the playoffs and contended for Supporters Shield and MLS Cup.

There are definitely rookie coaches who do well. And good for them. Our history is that every single rookie coach has been a disaster. That's our experience. Kreis and Porter isn't going to change that.

My opinion is that experience is better than no experience. "Learning on the job" is very risky. But we seem willing to take that risk over and over again, and with every rookie coach we sign someone will bring up Kreis as a reason why we shouldn't go for experience. Having said that I do hope Vanney pulls it off and becomes a successful coach with us. Of course I do - I support the team. But I'd feel better with experience in the manager chair that's all. Most top clubs in Europe do not hire rookies, so not sure why we do. Heck, most managers in the Danish league have very lengthy resumes (except for the lower leagues, like Koege and such).

Lennon
02-21-2015, 12:50 PM
So far my fave Danish player is Hans Christian Anderson...

Mine is Henriksen.

https://soulishexhortations.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/lilyhammer-steven-van-zandt.jpg

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 12:50 PM
Teams are going to clog the middle against us. I don't see our wingers getting the job done currently.

All matters what formation we go with. I'd we do the 4-4-2 diamond like much of us think the wingbacks will open the space for them.

jloome
02-21-2015, 12:51 PM
I'm not worried yet about how we'll be this season. I'm just commenting on what I see right now that's lacking. They still have to practice attacks (they've been focusing on defensive organization so far. I think things will be better in MLS where things are a lot more wide open than they are against smaller teams that put everyone behind the ball. It's hard to put defensive organization into practice when you're playing against a team that barely has the ball

They were playing on the jog quite deliberately until it became clear from a couple of hard fouls that Koge was taking this seriously; I think around the thirty-five minute mark Vanney told them to open it up.

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 12:52 PM
There are definitely rookie coaches who do well. And good for them. Our history is that every single rookie coach has been a disaster. That's our experience. Kreis and Porter isn't going to change that.

No but you don't always get it wrong. And you won't know unless you try.

portu
02-21-2015, 12:52 PM
There are definitely rookie coaches who do well. And good for them. Our history is that every single rookie coach has been a disaster. That's our experience. Kreis and Porter isn't going to change that.

My opinion is that experience is better than no experience. "Learning on the job" is very risky. But we seem willing to take that risk over and over again, and with every rookie coach we sign someone will bring up Kreis as a reason why we shouldn't go for experience.

Exactly, we have had more rookie coach failures than the league has had rookie coach successes

Auzzy
02-21-2015, 12:53 PM
Too bad about the crappy stream & camera angle. A couple of times, the announcer was the only reason I knew if there had been a goal scored or not.

I thought TFC got much better in the last 20 minutes especially. Not alot of ideas in front of net yet, hopefully that will improve. Koge had some great chances, but not much sustained pressure.

It's a bit hard to see given the cruddy video, but I'm a bit worried about the (lack of) speed when Caldwell & Perquis are paired, especially against a fast team playing the counter. What do you guys think?

jloome
02-21-2015, 12:56 PM
Exactly, we have had more rookie coach failures than the league has had rookie coach successes

John Carver's Newcastle currently being destroyed by Citeh, 3-0 after 22 mins.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 12:59 PM
Exactly, we have had more rookie coach failures than the league has had rookie coach successes

So has the rest of the league.

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 01:07 PM
I've noticed that both oppositions this pre-season have had success with pressing us. We need to be able to break the press and keep the opposing defence honest.

denMAR
02-21-2015, 01:08 PM
$10 says its being shot on one of these:

http://www.zdtronic.com/images/961309-0403.jpg

At least someone is getting use of it post MSN Messenger days.

KRO
02-21-2015, 01:09 PM
Thanks for spoiling the game I was going to watch later

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 01:10 PM
YES!!!!! Goal Oso!

Keep the pressure up.

Super
02-21-2015, 01:10 PM
Altidore assist, goal by Osorio.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 01:10 PM
Oso off Jozy!

BuSaPuNk
02-21-2015, 01:11 PM
Good hustle from Creavalle who gives us that goal. If it wasn't for him not giving up on that ball.

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 01:19 PM
I love Creavalle's work rate.

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 01:20 PM
Teams are going to clog the middle against us. I don't see our wingers getting the job done currently.
The logical response if teams clog the middle is to move Gio out wide and Oso into the middle

Ruffian
02-21-2015, 01:21 PM
I love Creavalle's work rate.


He definitely looks good in this game. Might be challenging for that right back position with Bloom. He has looked great in this game mostly in the offensive part of the game but I would like to see when he has to deal with a good winger playing against him on the defensive end.

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 01:23 PM
The logical response if teams clog the middle is to move Gio out wide and Oso into the middle
Agreed. That's the obvious way to spread some of the quality around.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 01:27 PM
If I squint at the monitor it helps. I've seen Flintstones episodes that look more life-like.

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 01:29 PM
Meh, I've seen worse. The frame isn't great but no buffering problems, commentary non-annoying, and camera work isn't terrible.

jabbronies
02-21-2015, 01:35 PM
No one really around for Gio to pass to. Altidore seems like a lost soul out there.

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 01:39 PM
Final ball from the flanks poor and very robotic. Overall good game though.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 01:43 PM
Meh, I've seen worse. The frame isn't great but no buffering problems, commentary non-annoying, and camera work isn't terrible.

Audio-8 Video-Drunk

Camera work cool

Ajax TFC
02-21-2015, 01:44 PM
No one really around for Gio to pass to. Altidore seems like a lost soul out there.
Bradley needs to play higher up. I don't like that him and Cheyrou play side by side so much. Wingers also need to pinch in more. It's useless to have them hugging the touchline when the ball is already at the edge of the box

Lennon
02-21-2015, 01:51 PM
Why was Warner pushing up higher than Bradley? Makes little sense to me ..

Super
02-21-2015, 01:53 PM
Good game by the lads. Improved over the last game. Keep it up!

ManUtd4ever
02-21-2015, 01:57 PM
Victory at last. We came out flat but improved as the match wore on.

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 02:02 PM
Victory at last. We came out flat but improved as the match wore on.
I think that's the important thing to take from it and it was an improvement from last game.

Centre of the park was very strong. That can only be positive.

Marc"2L"
02-21-2015, 02:07 PM
People were complaining about the quality of a free preseason stream....

Holy fucking queens the lot of you.

Auzzy
02-21-2015, 02:08 PM
Seba & Vanney really have to figure out a way to change Seba's game -- as well as how to get Altidore involved. Seba making some poor decisions IMO; sometimes he doesn't have many other options; and teams find it easy to clog the middle and neutralize our (supposedly) most dangerous players.

As others have mentioned, the overall compete level was much better. Many guys also playing for more than 45 minutes this game as Vanney bumps up their playing time. Defence looked too risky a number of times also. But mostly I'm just guessing because I couldn't see much on the stream, and found myself switching away to do other things as a result.

ManUtd4ever
02-21-2015, 02:08 PM
I think that's the important thing to take from it and it was an improvement from last game.

Centre of the park was very strong. That can only be positive.

I love the current spine of our team. Vanney will likely have to make adjustments against teams that use the full width of the pitch, but he seems to have a good enough tactical read of the game to react accordingly.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 02:10 PM
People were complaining about the quality of a free preseason stream....

Holy fucking queens the lot of you.

You're saying I'm royalty, right? That's cool.

I also appreciated the audio.

Relja
02-21-2015, 02:17 PM
I still like Gilberto more than I like Altidore...

Marc"2L"
02-21-2015, 02:21 PM
You're saying I'm royalty, right? That's cool.

I also appreciated the audio.

100% correct,
From the noble Toronto house of "whine da mos".

Us simpletons have been used to the commoners preseason potato quality stream for about ever. I wasn't expecting anything other than webcam on a stick.

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 02:25 PM
People were complaining about the quality of a free preseason stream....

Holy fucking queens the lot of you.
It's 2015, brah.

Fort York Redcoat
02-21-2015, 03:23 PM
People were complaining about the quality of a free preseason stream....

Holy fucking queens the lot of you.


100% correct,
From the noble Toronto house of "whine da mos".

Us simpletons have been used to the commoners preseason potato quality stream for about ever. I wasn't expecting anything other then webcam on a stick.

I'd say that's quite prophetic of you. Glad to see you weren't disappointed. No need to put yourself down. More glad you weren't using homophobic slurs.

I'll thank you to not use any in the future.

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 03:41 PM
Watching it on youtube now.

Bendik is pretty pathetic at distributing the ball still.

Cheyrou is the steal of the off season.

portu
02-21-2015, 03:45 PM
I still like Gilberto more than I like Altidore...

Agreed.

Marc"2L"
02-21-2015, 03:45 PM
It's 2015, brah.


Oh guys, I was referring to the drama type.

As for quality, it's a temp set up for preseason, it's not really in the budget to have towers set up to give that sight line we all want. Also, considering the network connection around the game is probably not all that great, you have a bottle neck at the broadcast end.

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 03:45 PM
Just watched that chance where they should have scored.

Creavalle cheating in too much left his winger open.

After that Perquis didn't follow his runner but also Lovitz not coming back to cover.....he was ball watching.

molenshtain
02-21-2015, 03:45 PM
Agreed.

that's fine. he's still not as good as altidore.

portu
02-21-2015, 04:02 PM
In love with Cheyrou and Perquis atm. Cheyrou's gotta special kind of touch and he hasn't played in months so I'm okay with his errors. Caldwell and Perquis cannot play together it leaves us exposed on the counter. I don't think Caldwell will be on this team come August.

I'll give Vanney one more game to figure out that Gio cannot play in the hole.

Love Oso.

Jozy looks isolated, but we're still figuring out the attack.

Chappers looked nice enough.

Creavalle > Bloom.

Lovitz > Findley, but also Gio > Lovitz > Findley for that left wing.

Bendik was forced to play those long balls due to high pressure so no complaints there, but I'd like to see Bono get a full 90 minutes versus Red Bulls to see what our options look like at keeper.

portu
02-21-2015, 04:06 PM
that's fine. he's still not as good as altidore.

Never said he was, just that I like Gil more.

Lumpy
02-21-2015, 04:24 PM
Just got back from the game. Had front row midfield seats ha ha. HB Kloge was a good team. Passed the ball well and once they had the ball it was pretty hard to get it away from them. The wings were wide open all game and the few times we got the ball there stuff happened. Looks like we don't know how to pass to Altidore yet as there were many times he was waiting for a through ball but we stupidly did something else . Caldwell was a little weak at the start of the game but he finished the game strongly. Pretty good effort I thought.

P.S. 72 degrees and sunny today :wink5:

Kaz
02-21-2015, 04:26 PM
People were complaining about the quality of a free preseason stream....

Holy fucking queens the lot of you.

Well my screen is only 24" and my Curling Iron only has a 12" Cord and the Mirror is 15ft from the monitor... so When I'm curling my wigs so I can look my best as Fantasia Fantastic Countess of Lesbos I need a quality steam.


Also the boys seem to be developing well. I'm pleased. Though This is meaningless lets see where we stand 1st of April and I'll make a judgement then.

Newell
02-21-2015, 04:33 PM
People were complaining about the quality of a free preseason stream....

Holy fucking queens the lot of you.

I feel if teenaged highschool kids in their moms basement can stream themselves playing videos games in HD, a professional sports team should be able to manage something half decent.

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 04:50 PM
Giovinco is not going to play on the wing. He showed some decent link up play today. Give it time.

Marc"2L"
02-21-2015, 05:18 PM
Well my screen is only 24" and my Curling Iron only has a 12" Cord and the Mirror is 15ft from the monitor... so When I'm curling my wigs so I can look my best as Fantasia Fantastic Countess of Lesbos I need a quality steam.


Also the boys seem to be developing well. I'm pleased. Though This is meaningless lets see where we stand 1st of April and I'll make a judgement then.


Haha, thanks for playing.

I don't know, I thought it was ok quality for a grass field in Florida...

Dv23
02-21-2015, 05:39 PM
Just got back from the game. Had front row midfield seats ha ha. HB Kloge was a good team. Passed the ball well and once they had the ball it was pretty hard to get it away from them. The wings were wide open all game and the few times we got the ball there stuff happened. Looks like we don't know how to pass to Altidore yet as there were many times he was waiting for a through ball but we stupidly did something else . Caldwell was a little weak at the start of the game but he finished the game strongly. Pretty good effort I thought.

P.S. 72 degrees and sunny today :wink5:

Also decided to make the drive today. Got there a bit late, and ended up missing the first half hour (I know, typical Toronto fan, but I am more than an hour's drive away!) I pretty much would agree with you in every respect, although I didn't see Caldwell's weak play at the start, as you mentioned. He was one of the stronger players on the field, and saved a goal after Morrow gave up a breakaway. Great experience, altogether. Saw Tim B up on the bleachers and wanted to go shoot the shit with him, but decided not to bother him. Ended up sitting next to Bloom's wife and daughter.

Impressed by Gio, although he should have taken that one chance right before his substitution a little better. Altidore was a little tooabsent for my liking. We need to start doing a better job of finding him. Strong performances by Bradley and Cheyrou, as well as Perquis, all of whom continue to impress. Thought Creavalle had a pretty solid game as well, and I am typically not his biggest fan.

All in all, lots of fun. My girlfriend, knowing how much of a fan I am, demanded that we go watch them when she found out it was only 70 minutes away. She's too good to me. Definitely would love to go watch them play NYRB, but I will be back in Canada by then.

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 05:51 PM
Based on the post game videos and tweets:



Caldwell and Perquis will be the starting CD's.
Vanney indicated the team put themselves into another gear at one point
Bendik sounded far less laconic then he has in the past - like he finally decided to grow up
Larson tweets to not expect starters against NYRB - Vanney trying to get players used to a one game a week mentality

Yohan
02-21-2015, 06:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJnz4JgWOE&feature=youtu.be

entire match. I dunno why people were complaining of the stream quality

ag futbol
02-21-2015, 06:14 PM
Just got back from the game. Had front row midfield seats ha ha. HB Kloge was a good team. Passed the ball well and once they had the ball it was pretty hard to get it away from them. The wings were wide open all game and the few times we got the ball there stuff happened. Looks like we don't know how to pass to Altidore yet as there were many times he was waiting for a through ball but we stupidly did something else . Caldwell was a little weak at the start of the game but he finished the game strongly. Pretty good effort I thought.

P.S. 72 degrees and sunny today :wink5:
Agreed. Altidore hasn't looked like much but the service is non-existent.

Another poster was speculating if Caldwell will be around here for much longer, have to say I'm wondering the same.

It looks a lot like Cheyrou and Bradley play double pivot which I find annoying when the defensive responsibilities break down. However it is nice to have two central mids who can pick up the ball without the other team keying on any one player.

Hieberrr
02-21-2015, 06:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJnz4JgWOE&feature=youtu.be

entire match. I dunno why people were complaining of the stream qualityThe replay on youtube is fine. The live stream was stuttering every second or two, so it was like watching a flip book.

aajking
02-21-2015, 06:24 PM
Gotta love Caldwell. Hope TFC FO doesn't sour the relationship.

http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2015/02/21/steven-caldwell-february-21-2015

Richard
02-21-2015, 06:52 PM
Based on the post game videos and tweets

Vanney trying to get players used to a one game a week mentality



Has he looked at the schedule? Its going to be like 3 games a week for a time period in the summer, with two games a week throughout the latter half of the season.

I'm not sure we have the depth to rotate 6+ players to keep everyone on one game a week.

Kaz
02-21-2015, 07:17 PM
entire match. I dunno why people were complaining of the stream quality

Personally I'd be complaining about Bendiks poor decision making for large stretches.

Lumpy
02-21-2015, 07:32 PM
I pretty much would agree with you in every respect, although I didn't see Caldwell's weak play at the start, as you mentioned. He was one of the stronger players on the field, and saved a goal after Morrow gave up a breakaway. Great experience, altogether. .

It was early in the game when he got beat a couple of times. I agree with you that after that spell he was one of the best players on the field. I don't get the negativity surrounding Caldwell but to each his own I guess.

kshep
02-21-2015, 07:41 PM
I don't mind Caldwell but he's lost another step from last year and if he and Perquis are both starting we're going to get burned on the counter more than a few times this year.

Not very keen with Hagglund playing rb, love him in the Centre especially on corners as he's shown he can be dangerous in the air. (Think back to the bunch of crossbars and posts last year, kid could have 5 or 6 goals last year.)

Auzzy
02-21-2015, 07:59 PM
entire match. I dunno why people were complaining of the stream quality


The replay on youtube is fine. The live stream was stuttering every second or two, so it was like watching a flip book.

I agree, the YouTube replay is totally different quality from the live stream. I would have loved it like that!

Brooker
02-21-2015, 08:08 PM
I don't mind Caldwell but he's lost another step from last year

You're aware it's preseason, right? Seems a bit early for a verdict.

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 08:09 PM
Has he looked at the schedule? Its going to be like 3 games a week for a time period in the summer.....

He's talking about getting them into a weekly routine given the first few months are games once a week.

ndtoronto
02-21-2015, 09:02 PM
Haven't looked through the thread and don't know the result. Is there a link that I could use to watch a replay of the game? Would love it if someone could PM me one if there is.

Thanks in advance

MightyDM
02-21-2015, 09:07 PM
Good: Creavalle, Cheyrou, Caldwell. Bad: Altidore. Ugly: defence versus the counter (we should have been behind at the half, could have been down 3-0), Hagglund at RB.

MightyDM
02-21-2015, 09:13 PM
There are definitely rookie coaches who do well. And good for them. Our history is that every single rookie coach has been a disaster. That's our experience. Kreis and Porter isn't going to change that.

Must call you out on that. Carver was not a "disaster" and nor was Cummins. For that matter, nor was Nelsen. His team built steadily in its game, as he promised. The "disaster" has been changing coaches far too often to those of different and even opposing philosophies - Carver/Cummins to Preki; Preki to Winter; Winter to Mariner to name a few - and firing Nelsen before the end of the season. All poor management decisions. That's the disaster.

OgtheDim
02-21-2015, 09:16 PM
Haven't looked through the thread and don't know the result. Is there a link that I could use to watch a replay of the game? Would love it if someone could PM me one if there is.

Thanks in advance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJnz4JgWOE

MightyDM
02-21-2015, 09:35 PM
Gotta love Caldwell. Hope TFC FO doesn't sour the relationship.

http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2015/02/21/steven-caldwell-february-21-2015

brilliant. I wish we had eleven Caldwells.

Mark TFC
02-21-2015, 09:52 PM
Just watched the highlights from earlier today. We were lucky not to have AT LEAST 3 goals against us. Bendik seemed really off, coming off his line at the wrong times, but at least Perquis was there to bail him out.

Alonso
02-21-2015, 09:57 PM
I feel if teenaged highschool kids in their moms basement can stream themselves playing videos games in HD, a professional sports team should be able to manage something half decent.


THIS^ is exactly it.

Hire anyone with some basic understanding of go pro and the interweebs and it will be a better and cheaper stream.

End of.

Alonso
02-21-2015, 10:20 PM
Gotta love Caldwell. Hope TFC FO doesn't sour the relationship.

http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2015/02/21/steven-caldwell-february-21-2015



Dictionary definition of Genuine = Steven Caldwell

Mark TFC
02-21-2015, 10:24 PM
Dictionary definition of Genuine = Steven Caldwell

Yeah, I really value his character. Not everyone is such a class act, and not everyone stays such a class act, when dealing with the mess that is MLSE.

Captain
02-21-2015, 10:54 PM
Enjoyed watching the game in the sun today. Before the game started Bez came over and shook my hand and thanked me for being there. Surprised me fore sure.

SirBobSaget
02-22-2015, 12:24 AM
brilliant. I wish we had eleven Caldwells.


100% professional through and through.
Interviews way above other athletes who would just push the cliches about giving 110% taking it one game at a time nonsence.

__wowza
02-22-2015, 12:41 AM
Dictionary definition of Genuine = Steven Caldwell

the man's definately got a tifo with his name on it sometime this season. busa, what say you?

BuSaPuNk
02-22-2015, 07:31 AM
the man's definately got a tifo with his name on it sometime this season. busa, what say you?

Definitely.

I love this guy he's everything I love about this team. Hard as nails professional that gives his all. And especially after taking to him when he came to Joes for his Man of the Year he loves this city.

Was thinking something along the line of Steven Caldwell Hard as Nails.

Fort York Redcoat
02-22-2015, 07:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJnz4JgWOE&feature=youtu.be

entire match. I dunno why people were complaining of the stream quality

That I would not complain about. That I can watch with a hangover.

kshep
02-22-2015, 09:17 AM
You're aware it's preseason, right? Seems a bit early for a verdict.

After watching the match a second time, in fairness to Caldwell you're right. I forgot this was Caldwell's first 90 min match and he had a better match than I first thought. After listening to Caldwell's comments after the match and hearing that him and Perquis are still ironing out their communication between each other, I guess getting caught out might happen a few times until they have a true feeling for each other.

One thing I want Vanney to really try in one of these last few pre-season matches, is playing Giovinco at the wing with Osorio pulling the strings at the 10.

I know that's not how it's going to go in season, but I feel like Vanney isn't exploring all his options properly if he doesn't at least experiment this option in a pre-season friendly. I think Giovinco could be almost unstoppable on the wing, given the relative overall poor quality of outside backs in MLS. Either out and out winger that whip in accurate crosses to Altidore, or inverted Ala Osorio.

ag futbol
02-22-2015, 11:31 AM
^agreed, wing might be a good spot. Although if this game is any indicator, he won't get much in the way of protection from MLS officials. Creavalle just hammered the opposing winger every time he got beat (which was often) and they sheepishly gave him a yellow card in the 70th minute or so despite a whole game of fouling. It's generally an area MLS refs are pretty poor. Lots of clutching, grabbing, obstruction, that isn't called.

I re-watched the second half and without the bad streaming quality the wind was a lot more noticeable. Altidore just attacks the box and 5-10 crosses just sailed over the net into the stands. In a more typical game he probably gets a solid chance on a few of those. Although we shouldn't ignore getting the ball to his feet around the box either.

dow117
02-23-2015, 05:44 PM
Confusing tactics... still say our weaker link is Vanney / Bez ... not sure they can handle the squad properly , the handling of armband was piss poor and stuff like that ( as minor as some feel ) says a lot about how they coach/mentor. I think we have the talent to get here, not sure the bus drivers know the way !! . In spite of this Caldwell was clearly one of our best on the day...