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Huyton
02-12-2015, 11:05 AM
I just got a questionnaire form the "TFC Council" where I was asked a number of questions. Most of them were innocuous, but a couple of them asked about having a mascot.

I objected to this as strenuously as possible.

One of the questions had to do with "If we get a mascot, what would you like to see?" I suggested The Invisible Man.

KGH
02-12-2015, 11:06 AM
I said Bitchy the Hawk.

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 11:10 AM
If we have a mascot it should be a giant stuffed bitchy. Probably can't name the stuffed hawk bitchy but they can be brother and sister or some shit.

Itchy and Bitchy.

Kids like mascots. If hugging a giant hawk makes them love soccer when their mom and dad take them to games, I'm for it.

ronzilla
02-12-2015, 11:13 AM
A big beaver..and no, not the one your thinking about.

zeelaw
02-12-2015, 11:13 AM
If we have a mascot it should be a giant stuffed bitchy. Probably can't name the stuffed hawk bitchy but they can be brother and sister or some shit.

Itchy and Bitchy.

Kids like mascots. If hugging a giant hawk makes them love soccer when their mom and dad take them to games, I'm for it.
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1873426.1403039380!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

Wagner
02-12-2015, 11:16 AM
i imagine this mascot would help escort the kids onto the pitch for promotions, etc.
and make appearances like Carlton and the Raptor.
I used to be against this stuff.
but it isn't a big deal.
Big Clubs around the world have them.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2013/2/27/1362002595941/Bayern-Munichs-Arjen-Robb-008.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JqmerH0-zes/S4heUDGhqCI/AAAAAAAAA_0/q0zzh3rFU1E/s1600/hrarsenalEMP-6673594.jpg

Phil
02-12-2015, 11:22 AM
It doesn't impact what we do and pretty much all clubs try to impliment something like this on some level.

Not a huge deal, but not my cup of tea either.

RealG-TFC
02-12-2015, 11:28 AM
Hawk. Fits all too well, we have bitchy, the TFC Academy crest, and the City of Toronto Coat of arms.

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 11:28 AM
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1873426.1403039380!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

Looks like Lady Gaga's mom

Cuppy
02-12-2015, 11:38 AM
Not a fan of the mascot idea as it seemed to commercial. For the kids its great so if this happens i wont be to upset

Richard
02-12-2015, 11:39 AM
I'll just leave this here, the left one.

http://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB80Q0_3CI AAWy90.jpg

ManUtd4ever
02-12-2015, 11:49 AM
If they have to go with a mascot, it should definitely be a hawk.

Damien
02-12-2015, 11:53 AM
How about the CN Tower...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1M10n9IYAIZDbL.jpg

Nodoubtguy
02-12-2015, 12:01 PM
I'll just leave this here, the left one.

http://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB80Q0_3CI AAWy90.jpg

yes! This or nothing!

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2015, 12:01 PM
What's happening...What's this I see...Is it the future?


I see a lost mascot approaching a capo stand...I see myself getting escorted out of the building for some reason....

kodiakTFC
02-12-2015, 12:12 PM
Lets just borrow the Raptor and really confuse people.

fergiejr
02-12-2015, 12:21 PM
I would be interested to see what the results of these surveys are - like our polls, you can see the results as soon as you vote. It would let us know what the supporters (or those that signed up for the council anyway) are saying about our direction.

That being said, I have never taken as much time to answer a survey as I do with these. I put comments in every blank space that I can find to make my voice heard. Whether they pay attention or not, at least I have my say.

pdogg
02-12-2015, 12:28 PM
I said a mascot would be good for community events, clinics, etc... but Bitchy is our mascot on match day.

TFC07
02-12-2015, 12:30 PM
Forget about mascot questions, what about asking us who to put on starting line up? I think that was weird question to ask, but I wonder if they take our starting 11 choices seriously though.

Super
02-12-2015, 12:30 PM
I'm all for having a mascot. It's great for the kids. Create a club for kids where they can meet the mascot and maybe have a birthday outing at a game or hosted at the ground. Other clubs do this. As for me, well, I'm an adult, so I don't care about mascots.

Canary10
02-12-2015, 12:32 PM
Forget about mascot questions, what about asking us who to put on starting line up? I think that was weird question to ask, but I wonder if they take our starting 11 choices seriously though.

Fuck no!!!

TFC07
02-12-2015, 12:35 PM
Fuck no!!!

Well, they ask us that question. lol Btw: they had Gilberto as one of options.

trane
02-12-2015, 01:11 PM
Forget about mascot questions, what about asking us who to put on starting line up? I think that was weird question to ask, but I wonder if they take our starting 11 choices seriously though.

Are you serious??????????? This cannot be???

TFC07
02-12-2015, 01:14 PM
Are you serious??????????? This cannot be???

Yes, this same survey that was asking about mascots were also asking us who to start for TFC. Also, they asked about their off-season signings and if they could do more. lol

Canary10
02-12-2015, 01:16 PM
Yes, this same survey that was asking about mascots were also asking us who to start for TFC. Also, they asked about their off-season signings and if they could do more. lol

Ohhh, that was actually in the survey? I think we should play the average of all the responses as our starting 11.

MartinUtd
02-12-2015, 01:16 PM
How about a smartphone app where we can vote on substitutions at half time?

Canary10
02-12-2015, 01:18 PM
How about a smartphone app where we can vote on substitutions at half time?

Would be fun at first until Jackson gets taken out every game.

TorontoGooner
02-12-2015, 01:32 PM
Some people on Twitter are blowing this way out of proportion.

Its a mascot, so what? Who cares? Every club has one, and all of them use them to engage kids and create a family atmosphere. Why does it really matter that a giant stuffed toy wants to dance around the north end of the stadium? Not everything has a moral or a principle to it. People need to learn to just relax and stop trying to be a political activist.

For what its worth, I want a Beaver (giggity) or Left Shark

Strikers
02-12-2015, 01:53 PM
I answered saying I was not very interested in a mascot, and if I could choose it should be Bitchy The Hawk.

I also said that during the game day experience the mascot should only be around pre game, half time, and at the end of the game.

I also chose to see a mascot at community events and team functions, the Raptor and Carlton the Bear are comic relief at these events.

Canary10
02-12-2015, 01:55 PM
What about a brightly dressed team of bubble soccer guys? Bubble soccer is hilarious.

lintberg
02-12-2015, 02:03 PM
If we have a mascot it should be a giant stuffed bitchy. Probably can't name the stuffed hawk bitchy but they can be brother and sister or some shit.

Itchy and Bitchy.

Kids like mascots. If hugging a giant hawk makes them love soccer when their mom and dad take them to games, I'm for it.

Agreed!
Kids totally love mascots and some EPL clubs have them these days too. Whatever works.

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 02:03 PM
First of all: App Joke. Gold

Second: where is this survey?

Strikers
02-12-2015, 02:06 PM
First of all: App Joke. Gold

Second: where is this survey?


The survey is from the TFC Council they email people who signed up here is the link

https://www.torontofccouncil.ca/Portal/TorontoFC/default.aspx

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 02:15 PM
The survey is from the TFC Council they email people who signed up here is the link

https://www.torontofccouncil.ca/Portal/TorontoFC/default.aspx

Thank you good sir.

Questions seem silly but a great initiative for interaction and feedback

Mcstay23
02-12-2015, 02:23 PM
I just filled out the torontofccouncil survey as well.

Strong no on the Mascot.

Interestingly they had Gilberto as an option to pick for the starting line up.

they also asked for an opinion on a Goal Song.

SuperTCP
02-12-2015, 02:28 PM
I found the starting 11 question strange. Are they just trying to gage which players are more popular with fans? It is the coach who should be making the decision of the 11.
Also I am not for a mascot to be on pitch or even in the stands during the game, It distracts from the game. But if he is roaming the concourse or at clinics or community events for the kids, that is ok with me.
I am surprised they did not ask about a cheerleading squad like some of the US team have - lol

Huyton
02-12-2015, 02:28 PM
Forget about mascot questions, what about asking us who to put on starting line up? I think that was weird question to ask, but I wonder if they take our starting 11 choices seriously though.

If you can put out a starting team, then you're obviously a major supporter, you're (still) there for the football, and they can safely ignore whatever it is that you have to say because you'll be at the game anyway!

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 02:29 PM
I don't want to challenge others or go over the top here, but can I ask why having a mascot at a game would every be a "strong no" a "no" or really anything else than a "why not?"

No trying to be snide, I just really don't understand why anyone would object to something that kids love.

flamehawk
02-12-2015, 02:39 PM
I don't want to challenge others or go over the top here, but can I ask why having a mascot at a game would every be a "strong no" a "no" or really anything else than a "why not?"

No trying to be snide, I just really don't understand why anyone would object to something that kids love.

Yea, while I'd object to cheerleaders, don't see what the big deal about a mascot that just walks around the stadium pre and post game is. Happens almost everywhere and it doesn't serve as that much of a distraction. Only issue I can see is if the mascot is utterly horrible.

TFC07
02-12-2015, 02:39 PM
If you can put out a starting team, then you're obviously a major supporter, you're (still) there for the football, and they can safely ignore whatever it is that you have to say because you'll be at the game anyway!

You're probably right! They're just using a creative way to separate soccer fans from people who just want to have fun at the game. I am sure all this mascot and other off-field stuff questions is geared towards people who just want to have fun.

Phil
02-12-2015, 02:40 PM
wow, twitter is full of the talk.

I say we revert our main home page to the dedicated picture of any mascot (if it ever happens) in a call back to the furry p0rn day.

TFC07
02-12-2015, 02:42 PM
Yea, while I'd object to cheerleaders, don't see what the big deal about a mascot that just walks around the stadium pre and post game is. Happens almost everywhere and it doesn't serve as that much of a distraction. Only issue I can see is if the mascot is utterly horrible.

You're assuming that, but knowing MLSE, they probably use TFC mascot like they do with Raptors mascot to entertain fans during half time. However, I thought Bitchy was our mascot already?

I personally don't care about mascot as long they don't force it onto us. But I personally prefer cheerleaders over having a mascot, but I am sure having cheerleaders might offend some people though.

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 02:53 PM
a call back to the furry p0rn day.


I personally don't care about mascot as long they don't force it onto us.

These two together :)

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2015, 02:53 PM
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8444467200/h0A75F361/

Coming to BMO?

TFC07
02-12-2015, 03:00 PM
Paul Berine agrees that Bitchy is our mascot already and that two Tims should learn TFC history.

brad
02-12-2015, 03:02 PM
I answerd Tom Anselmi. He'd make a great mascot. But seriously - take a look at this list of clubs with mascots : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_mascots - you have Serie A clubs, La Liga clubs, Bundesliga clubs, EPL, clubs, Brazilian Clubs, Portuguese clubs, the list goes on...

Picking the starting lineup was interesting for sure, so was the question asking us about what kind of goal celebrations we want to see....

pdogg
02-12-2015, 03:02 PM
I don't want to challenge others or go over the top here, but can I ask why having a mascot at a game would every be a "strong no" a "no" or really anything else than a "why not?"

No trying to be snide, I just really don't understand why anyone would object to something that kids love.

One of the mascot questions asked was where we would want the mascot to be featured. An option was "in the stands". I do not want a mascot running around in the stands during play, blocking what is going on. It works in other sports that have longer stops/starts and commercial timeouts, but not for soccer. At which point, we would see them pregame, halftime and postgame. We have Rachel and Bitchy for those times already.

I said gameday is great for bitchy, community/public events for the mascot. I think that's a fair balance. have the mascot run around the concourse as well, just stay out of the beer line....

TFC07
02-12-2015, 03:05 PM
I answerd Tom Anselmi. He'd make a great mascot. But seriously - take a look at this list of clubs with mascots : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_mascots - you have Serie A clubs, La Liga clubs, Bundesliga clubs, EPL, clubs, Brazilian Clubs, Portuguese clubs, the list goes on...

Picking the starting lineup was interesting for sure, so was the question asking us about what kind of goal celebrations we want to see....

Both Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps have mascots? I never knew about that.

pdogg
02-12-2015, 03:07 PM
Picking the starting lineup was interesting for sure, so was the question asking us about what kind of goal celebrations we want to see....

I assumed starting line-up was for marketing. People put their favourite players in that space. I put Giovinco in net.

OgtheDim
02-12-2015, 03:10 PM
Mascot...sure. But he'll never get above the first section no matter what people say. Why? Cause TFC game day operations has as much sizzle as a day old hot dog in the sun.

Example -

One game last season, a row behind me in 221 won free pizza.

Pizza guys never showed up. Nobody came by to deliver coupons.

Game Operations Fail


Because of that and a few other things, I am less then impressed with TFC game day operations.

Its slipshod. OK, I'm a bit biased cause of various entertainment jobs I've had, but they just don't seem to give a crap beyond doing the basics to keep the sponsers happy and sell stuff.

Heck, even the Argos in the bad old days of Sherwood Schwartz took their game day operations more seriously.

They want people to show up...and then don't do anything to get them to want to be there.

Great at selling beer. But....

pdogg
02-12-2015, 03:11 PM
Both Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps have mascots? I never knew about that.

http://sportsecyclopedia.com/mls/montreal/TacTik.jpghttp://www.whitecapsfc.com/sites/vancouver/files/spike2.jpg

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 03:12 PM
One of the mascot questions asked was where we would want the mascot to be featured. An option was "in the stands". I do not want a mascot running around in the stands during play, blocking what is going on. It works in other sports that have longer stops/starts and commercial timeouts, but not for soccer. At which point, we would see them pregame, halftime and postgame. We have Rachel and Bitchy for those times already.

I said gameday is great for bitchy, community/public events for the mascot. I think that's a fair balance. have the mascot run around the concourse as well, just stay out of the beer line....

The first part is fair... til you got to Rachel and Bitchy.

Bitchy doesn't really do anything. It just flies up and then that's it. If it's gonna strangle a seagull with it's feet while the kids play bubble soccer then sure, but It's job is really to keep seagulls away. There is no reason the mascot can't co exist with Rachel. All she does is talk, which is precisely what the mascot doesn't do.

Anyway, thank you, good points about being in the stands during the 45's

TFC07
02-12-2015, 03:16 PM
Small note: Rachel isn't with TFC anymore. She works for MLS in New York now.

TFC07
02-12-2015, 03:17 PM
http://sportsecyclopedia.com/mls/montreal/TacTik.jpghttp://www.whitecapsfc.com/sites/vancouver/files/spike2.jpg

Brutal. If TFC mascot look anything like those two, then I don't think kids would want to take picture with it. lol

Phil
02-12-2015, 03:19 PM
wow, I wold kick that saputo mascot in the ball.

Oh wait...

Those mascots look like a bad nightmare out take from labryinth.

Ageroo
02-12-2015, 03:21 PM
Not a biggy...but my opinion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_football_mascots

Canary10
02-12-2015, 03:23 PM
The Vancouver one wouldn't look out of place at a Toronto Blue Jays game.

Detroit_TFC
02-12-2015, 03:26 PM
Man, oh man, some people (mainly on Twitter) are wound up tight right now. I shudder to think what hell fury will be unleashed if we drop some games on the road start (which is likely).

Ultra & Proud
02-12-2015, 03:26 PM
http://sportsecyclopedia.com/mls/montreal/TacTik.jpghttp://www.whitecapsfc.com/sites/vancouver/files/spike2.jpg
Well those are terrible.

If we get a mascot, I can see everyone voting for 'Bitchy' the hawk but I don't see something named 'Bitchy' winning over a lot of parents and stuff at Sick Kid's or at that kid's part outside of BMO. What I can see however is something stupid like the above ones.

__wowza
02-12-2015, 03:28 PM
there was a three month point where families wandering into the supporters section saw me with a mask and assumed i was the mascot. i was alright with pictures with folks as long as it was after the match. come to think of it, no ones ever approached me during a match asking.


long story short give me beer and i'll be the mascot. :drinking::scarf: :canada:

OgtheDim
02-12-2015, 03:30 PM
Small note: Rachel isn't with TFC anymore. She works for MLS in New York now.

Was she the "future considerations" we had to give up for Bez? :)


Looking forward to which TVO Kids actor we get next.....

Ageroo
02-12-2015, 03:31 PM
This one is my fave.... :)

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/New+York+Red+Bulls+v+Vancouver+Whitecaps+FC+7LAIB6 0R2arl.jpg

Canary10
02-12-2015, 03:32 PM
This one is my fave.... :)

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/New+York+Red+Bulls+v+Vancouver+Whitecaps+FC+7LAIB6 0R2arl.jpg

Wow, that is fucking awful.

Cashcleaner
02-12-2015, 03:38 PM
Here's my thoughts on the question of a mascot:

The vast majority of sports mascots are cute and cuddly figures who are there to entertain the kids during breaks and helping out with promotions and special events. They are basically there to act clumsy and stupid on the pitch and take some photos with the kids before and after the game. Their whole schtick is self-deprecating and they go for cheap and easy laughs.

For the most part, these mascots suck balls and I wouldn't want anything to do with them.

However, there are other examples of awesome mascots that I think would work quite well for Toronto FC and could even get the most "ultra" supporters to like them. How would the club do that? Simple. Instead of cute, cuddly, and clumsy; you make them tough, hostile to the opposition, and give them a more mature sense of humour.

I don't know if anyone remembers, but back in the mid 90s there was a show on Fox called Hardball about a fictional Minor League ball club in the states. The team's mascot on the show was the Pioneer and he pretty much stole every scene he was in. He'd get into fights with other mascots, fans, and players. He'd graffiti and vandalize flags and clothing of the opposing team. Funny stuff like that. Obviously you couldn't go to that sort of extreme in real life, but a real TFC mascot with a similar entertaining style? Yeah, I'd be all over that. :D

http://images.tvrage.com/shows/4/3788.jpg

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/1731/medium/hardball1.jpg

All I'm saying is that, yes, if TFC went the route of almost every other club out there and brings in a shitty mascot who dances around and acts like a jerk-off, I'd be pissed. But a good solid mascot we could be proud of is doable.

Detroit_TFC
02-12-2015, 03:43 PM
A long time ago, I was at a Toledo Mud Hens baseball game and they had a goofy mascot doing a dance on top of one of the dugouts. The dude was doing his thing and fell right off. Not sure he would pass a field sobriety test. Sure as hell the only thing I remember from that game. Not sure if this a point for or against mascots.

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 03:47 PM
Man, oh man, some people (mainly on Twitter) are wound up tight right now. I shudder to think what hell fury will be unleashed if we drop some games on the road start (which is likely).

You are not kidding. Jesus.

Get a life people.

Canary10
02-12-2015, 03:49 PM
^ I think we need a televised pre-season game. The void is being filled with ridiculousness now.

Still Kicking
02-12-2015, 03:50 PM
I truly think that most mascots are an attempt to mask a lack of identity, by that I mean a team identity and a worthwhile ritual to go with scoring.
(I think that the Raptor is a rarity, a mascot who has developed a personality.)
The best actions at a game grow out of this sense of team identity. The Calgary Stampeders score a touchdown and their horse goes for a gallop.
The MLS have a few worthwhile actions or rituals. The Timbers and the cutting of the log and the Revolution and their firing of the muskets spring to mind. The mascot of the Columbus Crew is pointless.

I think a hawk who exists to scare away seagulls does not lend itself to the team identity or the developing of a ritual for goals or victories. Throwing out a mascot to keep kids happy seems like admitting defeat on the identity front.

ryan
02-12-2015, 03:55 PM
Don't care if we do or don't have a mascot. Those are for kids, so whatever. Doesn't hurt anyone to have one.

PopePouri
02-12-2015, 04:00 PM
If we want TFC or football in general be cultural much like Europe, in that your kids' kids' kids all supported TFC, it should appeal to all age groups. Football by itself does not really do that. It's 2 hours of kicking a ball around, with the occasional excitement of a goal or something else.

Mascots help fill that 0-5 age group gap in terms of entertainment.

Brooker
02-12-2015, 04:14 PM
https://dryislandcastaways.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/turddouche.jpg

Red4ever
02-12-2015, 04:17 PM
Okay I'll say it, cause I can't sugar coat it any more. I've been baited by idiocy, I took it and I'm sorry.

It is INSANE that we discussing objections to a mascot. As long as the thing fucks off and doesn't stand in front of me during a match (a perfectly valid point from pdogg), I don't care and you shouldn't either.

We are still whiny bunch of dicks our best day. We want this and want that, and we sing this but not that, and not now, later and I include myself in that too because I am a total dick at times. But reading twitter and listening to Duncan and Dwayne is so thoroughly embarrassing for those associated with supporting this club that I want to literally go buy a fucking costume myself, hiring a bunch of other mascots and follow them around like stray dogs. Their drawn out, god damn Che Guevara corporate greed, anti-American bullshit rant is about a thing that exists only in the imagination of a survey for all we know. Of all the crap this team has pulled over the years, of all the shit they have done to slap us around, this is the equivalent of a terminally-ill, toothless midget flea on a dogs back and we are treating it like the cement girder that crushed the camel.

It is the quintessential #firstworldproblem, the kids going to see the game don't care how hard you are, or how Ultra you are. They want a fucking hug from a big soft thing and maybe a picture with it. It makes us all look like losers.

Huge. Fucking. Losers.

ryan
02-12-2015, 04:21 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Califax again.

Canary10
02-12-2015, 04:23 PM
Okay I'll say it, cause I can't sugar coat it any more. I've been baited by idiocy, I took it and I'm sorry.

It is INSANE that we discussing objections to a mascot. As long as the thing fucks off and doesn't stand in front of me during a match (a perfectly valid point from pdogg), I don't care and you shouldn't either.

We are still whiny bunch of dicks our best day. We want this and want that, and we sing this but not that, and not now, later and I include myself in that too because I am a total dick at times. But reading twitter and listening to Duncan and Dwayne is so thoroughly embarrassing for those associated with supporting this club that I want to literally go buy a fucking costume myself, hiring a bunch of other mascots and follow them around like stray dogs. Their drawn out, god damn Che Guevara corporate greed, anti-American bullshit rant is about a thing that exists only in the imagination of a survey for all we know. Of all the crap this team has pulled over the years, of all the shit they have done to slap us around, this is the equivalent of a terminally-ill, toothless midget flea on a dogs back and we are treating it like the cement girder that crushed the camel.

It is the quintessential #firstworldproblem, the kids going to see the game don't care how hard you are, or how Ultra you are. They want a fucking hug from a big soft thing and maybe a picture with it. It makes us all look like losers.

Huge. Fucking. Losers.

Love it. So true.

Detroit_TFC
02-12-2015, 04:25 PM
Jesus fought the dinosaurs for everyone's right to complain, so I'm ok with that. But with a player strike looming that could (worst scenario) end division 1 fb in North America, stupid FO game day tricks are like 50th on my list of concerns.

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2015, 04:30 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Califax again.

samsies.

Fort York Redcoat
02-12-2015, 04:32 PM
^ I think we need a televised pre-season game. The void is being filled with ridiculousness now.

So much this.

Less than a week of this left...

trane
02-12-2015, 05:10 PM
Yes, this same survey that was asking about mascots were also asking us who to start for TFC. Also, they asked about their off-season signings and if they could do more. lol

Hahahahaha. this is funny and troubling.

Ivy
02-12-2015, 05:22 PM
TFC would be smart enough to not send this teddy bear dancing into 112, and the kids love it, so I don't care.

Rachel never came to 112 :(

On that note, Id hug and take a picture with a giant towley from South Park.

TFC07
02-12-2015, 05:28 PM
Lack of drama on-field or player personnel is making our fanbase crazy (first captain issue and now this mascot issue). We need TFC to start playing games so we can focus what's going on the field instead off-field.

KidA
02-12-2015, 05:56 PM
http://i.imgur.com/c7582ch.jpg
Something like this?

ensco
02-12-2015, 06:00 PM
Should be a budgie, in honor of Brian Budd.

james
02-12-2015, 06:08 PM
I don't really want a mascot, mainly because it is sort of a big thing in North America sports, they often make the mascot go in the stands and walk around and take peoples attention away from the game and do all sorts of stupid shit through out the game. If the mascot just came on when they had the players coming out before the game or something fine, or have him outside of the stadium greetings kids before the game that is fine, but I don't want them to make him the main attention like other sports teams do already, I don't want to see the mascot come out with a bunch of girls doing a team dance. Keep it simple if they bring a mascot out, otherwise whatever, just make the mascot piss off during the game.

Klinsmann
02-12-2015, 06:51 PM
http://mysportsclipart.com/1024/sports-clip-art-of-a-sporty-foaming-beer-mug-mascot-cartoon-character-kicking-a-soccer-ball-by-toons4biz-1251.jpg

gate7
02-12-2015, 06:51 PM
the only one that I want running around the stands is the beer boy!:drinking:

pdubs
02-12-2015, 07:10 PM
Okay I'll say it, cause I can't sugar coat it any more. I've been baited by idiocy, I took it and I'm sorry.

It is INSANE that we discussing objections to a mascot. As long as the thing fucks off and doesn't stand in front of me during a match (a perfectly valid point from pdogg), I don't care and you shouldn't either.

We are still whiny bunch of dicks our best day. We want this and want that, and we sing this but not that, and not now, later and I include myself in that too because I am a total dick at times. But reading twitter and listening to Duncan and Dwayne is so thoroughly embarrassing for those associated with supporting this club that I want to literally go buy a fucking costume myself, hiring a bunch of other mascots and follow them around like stray dogs. Their drawn out, god damn Che Guevara corporate greed, anti-American bullshit rant is about a thing that exists only in the imagination of a survey for all we know. Of all the crap this team has pulled over the years, of all the shit they have done to slap us around, this is the equivalent of a terminally-ill, toothless midget flea on a dogs back and we are treating it like the cement girder that crushed the camel.

It is the quintessential #firstworldproblem, the kids going to see the game don't care how hard you are, or how Ultra you are. They want a fucking hug from a big soft thing and maybe a picture with it. It makes us all look like losers.

Huge. Fucking. Losers.

I agree completely well said. I cannot believe this is an actual issue. Much more important matters for our team and the league for that matter. It truly boggles my fucking mind.

Cashcleaner
02-12-2015, 07:53 PM
Anyone remember these from a few years back?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cR82UTxZNu0/SADCBzSA--I/AAAAAAAABUg/y2DrsAulyTI/s1600/TORONTO_mascot01_ab.png


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3271328205_dd16d97d6b.jpg


http://skallinn-mascots.webs.com/Toronto-FC-Bear.jpg

Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhh...some things are best left forgotten.

ag futbol
02-12-2015, 08:45 PM
Okay I'll say it, cause I can't sugar coat it any more. I've been baited by idiocy, I took it and I'm sorry.

It is INSANE that we discussing objections to a mascot. As long as the thing fucks off and doesn't stand in front of me during a match (a perfectly valid point from pdogg), I don't care and you shouldn't either.

We are still whiny bunch of dicks our best day. We want this and want that, and we sing this but not that, and not now, later and I include myself in that too because I am a total dick at times. But reading twitter and listening to Duncan and Dwayne is so thoroughly embarrassing for those associated with supporting this club that I want to literally go buy a fucking costume myself, hiring a bunch of other mascots and follow them around like stray dogs. Their drawn out, god damn Che Guevara corporate greed, anti-American bullshit rant is about a thing that exists only in the imagination of a survey for all we know. Of all the crap this team has pulled over the years, of all the shit they have done to slap us around, this is the equivalent of a terminally-ill, toothless midget flea on a dogs back and we are treating it like the cement girder that crushed the camel.

It is the quintessential #firstworldproblem, the kids going to see the game don't care how hard you are, or how Ultra you are. They want a fucking hug from a big soft thing and maybe a picture with it. It makes us all look like losers.

Huge. Fucking. Losers.
This should be nominated for the RPB message board rant HOF. Absolutely love it!

I hope this mascot is so cute and cliche it induces vomiting. Other than losing, the revolving coaching door, people leaving in the 70th minute to catch the train, and 10 other things, nothing annoys me more about TFC than some people's endless wanking for some perceived sense of authenticity.

glaze
02-12-2015, 09:26 PM
The beauty of TFC games is that there is none of that manufactured atmosphere that every other club throws out there.
Raptor games may be a bit different now that the team is winning, perhaps the atmosphere at the stadium is somewhat natural, but they still have an in-house DJ that plays music during the friggin play.
The leafs big story this week was that they hired alan cross and his music library of 2500 songs (which wouldve been impressive before the invention of an ipod),
The blue jays and argos are the same, every stoppage of play we are hit with contests, advertisements, kiss cams, that guy dancing to cotton eyed joe, etc.
I don't want any of that garbage at TFC. Halftime, while I am getting another beer is fine.
I have no problem with a mascot, they're good for the kids, but it better not be a gateway into the club trying to manufacture a gameday experience similar to their other properties.

Cuppy
02-12-2015, 09:37 PM
The beauty of TFC games is that there is none of that manufactured atmosphere that every other club throws out there.
Raptor games may be a bit different now that the team is winning, perhaps the atmosphere at the stadium is somewhat natural, but they still have an in-house DJ that plays music during the friggin play.
The leafs big story this week was that they hired alan cross and his music library of 2500 songs (which wouldve been impressive before the invention of an ipod),
The blue jays and argos are the same, every stoppage of play we are hit with contests, advertisements, kiss cams, that guy dancing to cotton eyed joe, etc.
I don't want any of that garbage at TFC. Halftime, while I am getting another beer is fine.
I have no problem with a mascot, they're good for the kids, but it better not be a gateway into the club trying to manufacture a gameday experience similar to their other properties.bingo

Oldtimer
02-12-2015, 09:46 PM
Funny how attitudes change. People used to be anti-mascot, but now that Premier League teams are doing it it is ok.

Btw, Zeddy is unemployed, should be available. HBC might let him come to TFC cheap.

Alixir
02-12-2015, 10:03 PM
remember this is still an MLSE team...we will get Carlton the bear but red.

ChrisFizik
02-12-2015, 10:29 PM
ha, missed all this havoc during the work day, but immediately was thinking what we'd do if it came over near the capo stand.
We had a brief run in with the Vancouver shitecaps one a few years ago....crazy thing goes around with a Native drum sneaking up on ppl in the stands. If I was 'armed' with a flagpole there would have been a problem. haha. I heckled it for looking like the Blue Jays' BJ Birdie
haha

Yeah for the kids etc etc.
Always was partial to 'Toronto' animals like a black squirrel or raccoon. But of course, Bitchy rules all.

ensco
02-12-2015, 10:57 PM
remember this is still an MLSE team...we will get Carlton the bear but red.

Lakeshore the squirrel?

OgtheDim
02-12-2015, 11:14 PM
Team mascot should be a black cat.


Ya'll know why.


And yes, I'm serious.

Joe Kool
02-12-2015, 11:27 PM
My guess is, if they do this, that it may be a hawk suit and call the mascot Bitchy after our current mascot. Just my guess.

MightyDM
02-12-2015, 11:38 PM
NO NO NO NO NO. This is the beginning of the end. First mascots, then amplified music post goals then whatever the Maple Leaves do to wake people up. That'll be the end. The energy at soccer football is from the supporters, not from the owners certainly not from juvenile shit like this. We need to say NO loudly to all of this. If they want to make the game experience better, do more for the most committed supporters. That's what makes the difference for TFC. Otherwise, we end up with an entirely artificial corporate driven atmosphere. This sporting experience is unique in Toronto because it is driven by the fans. Don't ever give it up.

MightyDM
02-12-2015, 11:41 PM
I truly think that most mascots are an attempt to mask a lack of identity, by that I mean a team identity and a worthwhile ritual to go with scoring.
(I think that the Raptor is a rarity, a mascot who has developed a personality.)
The best actions at a game grow out of this sense of team identity. The Calgary Stampeders score a touchdown and their horse goes for a gallop.
The MLS have a few worthwhile actions or rituals. The Timbers and the cutting of the log and the Revolution and their firing of the muskets spring to mind. The mascot of the Columbus Crew is pointless.

I think a hawk who exists to scare away seagulls does not lend itself to the team identity or the developing of a ritual for goals or victories. Throwing out a mascot to keep kids happy seems like admitting defeat on the identity front.

totally!!!!

MightyDM
02-12-2015, 11:44 PM
The beauty of TFC games is that there is none of that manufactured atmosphere that every other club throws out there.
Raptor games may be a bit different now that the team is winning, perhaps the atmosphere at the stadium is somewhat natural, but they still have an in-house DJ that plays music during the friggin play.
The leafs big story this week was that they hired alan cross and his music library of 2500 songs (which wouldve been impressive before the invention of an ipod),
The blue jays and argos are the same, every stoppage of play we are hit with contests, advertisements, kiss cams, that guy dancing to cotton eyed joe, etc.
I don't want any of that garbage at TFC. Halftime, while I am getting another beer is fine.
I have no problem with a mascot, they're good for the kids, but it better not be a gateway into the club trying to manufacture a gameday experience similar to their other properties.


YES YES YES YES YES and, YES!!!!!

ag futbol
02-13-2015, 12:15 AM
Funny how attitudes change. People used to be anti-mascot, but now that Premier League teams are doing it it is ok.

Btw, Zeddy is unemployed, should be available. HBC might let him come to TFC cheap.
More like the prem teams already had them but the idea "no real football clubs had mascots" carried the day.

I get that we don't want this to turn into AAA baseball family night complete with free hot dog and t-shirt ... But the club serves more demographics than just supporters or those who really want an unspoiled football experience. All part of going from 20ish capacity to 30... Need to reach more people. They'll keep it away from the supporters end I'm sure, or learn quickly.

In terms of off season meltdowns this is up there with the departure of the kit guy.

Gringo Starr
02-13-2015, 12:54 AM
Funny how attitudes change. People used to be anti-mascot, but now that Premier League teams are doing it it is ok.

Btw, Zeddy is unemployed, should be available. HBC might let him come to TFC cheap.

zeddy actually had lots of suitors and was back at work real quick. He was renamed-Barry I think- and went to work as the new face of Camp Trillium. There was a huge campaign at the time to find a new posting for Zeddy, just goes to show how loved mascots can become over time.

dutch
02-13-2015, 01:29 AM
Give me a real problem to deal with, this is childs play.
I never even realized there wasnt one, I guess I dont give a fuck about it so Im not looking for it. Its like the beer boy if you dont drink beer I guess.
I think alot of people want us to be taken seriously or inline with other leagues. All I want is to watch them take it serious on the pitch night after night.

Oh the stress and monotony of sitting and waiting for somthing to happen on the pitch, or some sign that Im not gonna get fucked over this year.
Thats where all these dick fights over captains and birds come from.
Im sitting here looking at every clip of Giovinco in TO trying to find the moment he thinks, let me back on the plane.
wtf happened to the mickey mouse cup?! I sure could go for one right now.

Alonso
02-13-2015, 01:32 AM
The beauty of TFC games is that there is none of that manufactured atmosphere that every other club throws out there.
Raptor games may be a bit different now that the team is winning, perhaps the atmosphere at the stadium is somewhat natural, but they still have an in-house DJ that plays music during the friggin play.
The leafs big story this week was that they hired alan cross and his music library of 2500 songs (which wouldve been impressive before the invention of an ipod),
The blue jays and argos are the same, every stoppage of play we are hit with contests, advertisements, kiss cams, that guy dancing to cotton eyed joe, etc.
I don't want any of that garbage at TFC. Halftime, while I am getting another beer is fine.
I have no problem with a mascot, they're good for the kids, but it better not be a gateway into the club trying to manufacture a gameday experience similar to their other properties.



Exactly, I think people are worried a mascot will open the door for the rest of the bull shit they hate to see at games.

It's like having a "laugh track" for a sitcom, or a "everyone cheer now!" sign at the game so people know when to get loud.

Having said that, que sera, sera.

dutch
02-13-2015, 01:37 AM
Back in the day
http://www.blogto.com/city/2009/04/notetoself_toronto_til_i_die/#

Fort York Redcoat
02-13-2015, 07:54 AM
Exactly, I think people are worried a mascot will open the door for the rest of the bull shit they hate to see at games.

It's like having a "laugh track" for a sitcom, or a "everyone cheer now!" sign at the game so people know when to get loud.

Having said that, que sera, sera.

http://www.bloggerstobenamedlater.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/get-loud.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Kom1IWmwE1A/hqdefault.jpg

http://www.spiritline.com/graphics/subcatimages/12537/Sport-Noisemakers.jpg


^All crutches for support IMO

Fort York Redcoat
02-13-2015, 07:58 AM
Team mascot should be a black cat.


Ya'll know why.


And yes, I'm serious.

Because Defoe went to Sunderland?

http://eslhiphop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/snap.jpg

burlington Red
02-13-2015, 08:18 AM
NO NO NO NO NO. This is the beginning of the end. First mascots, then amplified music post goals then whatever the Maple Leaves do to wake people up. That'll be the end. The energy at soccer football is from the supporters, not from the owners certainly not from juvenile shit like this. We need to say NO loudly to all of this. If they want to make the game experience better, do more for the most committed supporters. That's what makes the difference for TFC. Otherwise, we end up with an entirely artificial corporate driven atmosphere. This sporting experience is unique in Toronto because it is driven by the fans. Don't ever give it up.

anyone on here remember the Sky Strikers during the Monday night games on the first season Sky had the PL tv rights- now that was cringeworthy.
For anyone who doesn't recall it, they had an American style cheerleader group of young women dancing with pom poms who came on pre game and at half time- needless to say it didn't last.

Phil
02-13-2015, 08:21 AM
NO NO NO NO NO. This is the beginning of the end. First mascots, then amplified music post goals then whatever the Maple Leaves do to wake people up. That'll be the end. The energy at soccer football is from the supporters, not from the owners certainly not from juvenile shit like this. We need to say NO loudly to all of this. If they want to make the game experience better, do more for the most committed supporters. That's what makes the difference for TFC. Otherwise, we end up with an entirely artificial corporate driven atmosphere. This sporting experience is unique in Toronto because it is driven by the fans. Don't ever give it up.

Serious question....we know Montreal has a mascot and has any of the concreate eventualities you mentioned happened there?

It amazes me that the line in the sand is over a kids mascot. As long as the thing keeps out of the supporters end and off the field I couldn't care one way or another about it.

Ultra & Proud
02-13-2015, 09:26 AM
Back in the day
http://www.blogto.com/city/2009/04/notetoself_toronto_til_i_die/#
If we get a vote then I am 100% down for the TFC (Expensive) Beer dude as the mascot. We need a figurehead to represent the common man and this guy is it.

Yohan
02-13-2015, 09:30 AM
wait until cheerleaders lol

Joe Kool
02-13-2015, 09:37 AM
I get the fact that people want a more organic experience and don't want all the same craziness that happens at Raptor games and whatnot and I do too but if the mascot just walks around the stadium for pics with the kids and stays out of the supporter section then who cares really. Not me anyway. I voted in that Council survey though that I am not at all interested in the mascot thing which is the honest truth. It won't add to my match day experience or my kids really for that matter being that they are older.

The one thing they do currently that irritates me every game is say "fans, please stand and hold your scarves up high". It pisses me off each time because fans started holding their scarves up for the anthem well before the stadium guy ever told us to and now them saying to do it makes me feel like not doing it. Now when people come to the stadium they don't say "wow everyone holds up their scarves for the anthem, that looks really cool that supporters do that" instead they will say "everyone holds their scarves up and it looked pretty cool but they only did it because TFC told them to". Maybe I am just crotchety in my older age but it annoys me every game. What's next? "supporter sections, wave your flags for that goal"?

Fort York Redcoat
02-13-2015, 09:43 AM
I get the fact that people want a more organic experience and don't want all the same craziness that happens at Raptor games and whatnot and I do too but if the mascot just walks around the stadium for pics with the kids and stays out of the supporter section then who cares really. Not me anyway. I voted in that Council survey though that I am not at all interested in the mascot thing which is the honest truth. It won't add to my match day experience or my kids really for that matter being that they are older.

The one thing they do currently that irritates me every game is say "fans, please stand and hold your scarves up high". It pisses me off each time because fans started holding their scarves up for the anthem well before the stadium guy ever told us to and now them saying to do it makes me feel like not doing it. Now when people come to the stadium they don't say "wow everyone holds up their scarves for the anthem, that looks really cool that supporters do that" instead they will say "everyone holds their scarves up and it looked pretty cool but they only did it because TFC told them to". Maybe I am just crotchety in my older age but it annoys me every game. What's next? "supporter sections, wave your flags for that goal"?

http://s.mlkshk.com/r/8TRP

I get it. But don't let them ruin it for you, mate.:)

bones
02-13-2015, 10:00 AM
wait until cheerleaders lol

in beer wench outfits yes, otherwise no.

Joe Kool
02-13-2015, 10:11 AM
http://s.mlkshk.com/r/8TRP

I get it. But don't let them ruin it for you, mate.:)

Yeah no worries it is a minor irritant in the grand scheme of things. I am there for the game.

Ultra & Proud
02-13-2015, 11:39 AM
if the mascot just walks around the stadium for pics with the kids and stays out of the supporter section

No way, I want to see him in right in the midst of it all. Mostly because I think it would be hilarious though.

cubr
02-13-2015, 12:05 PM
If we have a mascot it should be a giant stuffed bitchy. Probably can't name the stuffed hawk bitchy but they can be brother and sister or some shit.

Itchy and Bitchy.

Kids like mascots. If hugging a giant hawk makes them love soccer when their mom and dad take them to games, I'm for it.

If anything, I hope it's this. It makes the most sense to me.

Ultra & Proud
02-13-2015, 12:44 PM
Let's go with Buddy the Overpriced Pint.

http://image.dhgate.com/albu_202569810_00/1.0x0.jpg

burlington Red
02-14-2015, 06:25 PM
Funny how attitudes change. People used to be anti-mascot, but now that Premier League teams are doing it it is ok.

Btw, Zeddy is unemployed, should be available. HBC might let him come to TFC cheap.

funny how people want to copy the most watched and exciting league in world football

WestStandGeoff
02-18-2015, 12:42 AM
Let me solve a few of their problems all at the same time.

1) We get Hasbo as a shirt sponsor

http://vector.me/files/images/7/0/708666/hasbro.png

2) Make GI Joe the mascot

https://oda141teamroom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/duke.jpg

3) There was also a question in the survey about having airplane flyovers and people parachuting in, so they could totally tie that to the GI Joe theme.

Marketing plan 2015 done and ready to go.

james
02-18-2015, 12:52 AM
The beauty of TFC games is that there is none of that manufactured atmosphere that every other club throws out there.
Raptor games may be a bit different now that the team is winning, perhaps the atmosphere at the stadium is somewhat natural, but they still have an in-house DJ that plays music during the friggin play.
The leafs big story this week was that they hired alan cross and his music library of 2500 songs (which wouldve been impressive before the invention of an ipod),
The blue jays and argos are the same, every stoppage of play we are hit with contests, advertisements, kiss cams, that guy dancing to cotton eyed joe, etc.
I don't want any of that garbage at TFC. Halftime, while I am getting another beer is fine.
I have no problem with a mascot, they're good for the kids, but it better not be a gateway into the club trying to manufacture a gameday experience similar to their other properties.

100% agree. Other sports make it the main attention, meet and greet the kids or something fine, minor stuff is fine. None of this over the top shit tho that you see at NBA, NHL, MLB sporting events and exc. crap!

james
02-18-2015, 01:05 AM
I get the fact that people want a more organic experience and don't want all the same craziness that happens at Raptor games and whatnot and I do too but if the mascot just walks around the stadium for pics with the kids and stays out of the supporter section then who cares really. Not me anyway. I voted in that Council survey though that I am not at all interested in the mascot thing which is the honest truth. It won't add to my match day experience or my kids really for that matter being that they are older.

The one thing they do currently that irritates me every game is say "fans, please stand and hold your scarves up high". It pisses me off each time because fans started holding their scarves up for the anthem well before the stadium guy ever told us to and now them saying to do it makes me feel like not doing it. Now when people come to the stadium they don't say "wow everyone holds up their scarves for the anthem, that looks really cool that supporters do that" instead they will say "everyone holds their scarves up and it looked pretty cool but they only did it because TFC told them to". Maybe I am just crotchety in my older age but it annoys me every game. What's next? "supporter sections, wave your flags for that goal"?

the fact they say to hold scarf up high actually doesn't bother me at all, but what does drive me crazy is the announcer in general (does he also do other MLS club announcements at games because I swear Columbus announcer sounded the same when we all went there for the big away day some years back?) anyways he sounds like a Monster truck announcer or the guy who seemed to do every dam movie trailer commercial back in the 90's, ya the guy with the deep, drawn out voice...the deeper the voice the more manly and cool the movie was supose to look, but dammit i can't stand it!!! can we start a new thread just based on the announcer, he bugs me more then a mascot!! g:D:drinking:

Rocket Robin
05-19-2021, 05:15 PM
Today's Toronto Star story about Ontarians looking to other cities to get vaccinated had a picture of Sparx, the Forge FC mascot in a photo for the story! More coverage than the entire league ever got in the sports page!

https://torontostar.pressreader.com/toronto-star/20210519/textview
That's page A6 for those with access to the printed paper or the epaper. They don't know the mascot's name but hey, a walking orange flame carrying a hammer getting an oversized needle from a masked nurse in the parking lot is certainly memorable.