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FRANKIE65
11-11-2014, 01:34 PM
Just got this email.

http://fans.mlse.com/LP=239?elq=66732a30df2d4919b747d5affa0015e3&elqCampaignId=623

No wait until January this year.

TFC07
11-11-2014, 01:41 PM
That's good news! I am curious to see how many people are going to renew their season tickets and which seats are going to available.

FRANKIE65
11-11-2014, 02:06 PM
That's good news! I am curious to see how many people are going to renew their season tickets and which seats are going to available.

Will be interesting for sure.
The one thing I find strange in this, is the "select a seat" appointment info is coming before the pricing info:confused:

arsenal
11-11-2014, 02:19 PM
Just got this email.

http://fans.mlse.com/LP=239?elq=66732a30df2d4919b747d5affa0015e3&elqCampaignId=623

No wait until January this year.

So this looks like it is for waiting list people who put down deposit for st's? So they will get first crack at whatever tickets are available (new seats or those not previously held by sth) and then the STH renewal process will take place at a later time?

FRANKIE65
11-11-2014, 02:26 PM
So this looks like it is for waiting list people who put down deposit for st's? So they will get first crack at whatever tickets are available (new seats or those not previously held by sth) and then the STH renewal process will take place at a later time?

Yes,to the waiting list deposit st's. Not sure about the first crack, possibly for the new seats in the East? I would think current season ticket holders will get an email either today or tomorrow?

arsenal
11-11-2014, 03:04 PM
Yes,to the waiting list deposit st's. Not sure about the first crack, possibly for the new seats in the East? I would think current season ticket holders will get an email either today or tomorrow?

I have been wondering how they would work the timing on this. Inferring from this that they will do new purchases first (deposit from waiting list and maybe addl seats for STH) then the renewal process which makes the most sense.

Globetrotter
11-11-2014, 09:40 PM
I wonder - with the Raptors being better than past years - will Raptors tickets be included in our season ticket package...

Stress
11-11-2014, 09:47 PM
My guess is marlies tickets.

justin
11-11-2014, 10:05 PM
<troll>

argo's tickets

</troll>

Ivy
11-11-2014, 10:16 PM
<troll>

argo's tickets

</troll>
retweeted.

OgtheDim
11-12-2014, 07:13 AM
What does "Public onsale" mean?

That current SSH's will have 1 week to decide if they want to add seats?

FRANKIE65
11-12-2014, 08:05 AM
<troll>

argo's tickets

</troll>


LOL


What does "Public onsale" mean?

That current SSH's will have 1 week to decide if they want to add seats?

Good question. Guess all will be made clear over the next few days.

mook-life
11-12-2014, 08:16 AM
has anyone got an email in row 21, 111?

nascarguy
11-12-2014, 09:30 AM
I sent me ticket rep a email lastnight and he said that STH renewal process will take place next week

Captain
11-12-2014, 09:44 AM
I currently have two season tickets. If I put down the $50 deposit that's listed in my account manager will I be putting that deposit on my current seats or two additional seats? I just want to make sure I'm not committing to additional seats.

BuSaPuNk
11-12-2014, 09:52 AM
I currently have two season tickets. If I put down the $50 deposit that's listed in my account manager will I be putting that deposit on my current seats or two additional seats? I just want to make sure I'm not committing to additional seats.

I believe the deposit is for new seats only.

FRANKIE65
11-12-2014, 09:59 AM
I currently have two season tickets. If I put down the $50 deposit that's listed in my account manager will I be putting that deposit on my current seats or two additional seats? I just want to make sure I'm not committing to additional seats.


I believe the deposit is for new seats only.

Yup, new seats only. Definitely looks like renewals start on the 18th. I'd say contact your reps if you have any questions.

Captain
11-12-2014, 10:44 AM
I sent my ticket rep an e-mail regarding the deposit. This is what I got back.

"Renewals will begin next week – you will receive your renewal invoicefor the first 20% down on your current season seats to renew for next season.The $50 deposit is for access to additional seating (the new BMO fieldseating), so not to worry about that deposit!"

So we have to put 20% down to renew.

Joe Kool
11-12-2014, 10:54 AM
So we have to put 20% down to renew.

No big surprise there. Same as every year.

Ben - D.O.W.
11-12-2014, 11:41 AM
has anyone got an email in row 21, 111?

That's my row, and no, not a thing.

Oblio2
11-12-2014, 12:32 PM
According to the seat rendering...my seats in 110 are gonzo....where are they going, who the F knows?

InDa_110
11-12-2014, 01:26 PM
According to the seat rendering...my seats in 110 are gonzo....where are they going, who the F knows?

Me too. Keep breaking your reps balls about that. I was told we pick before anyone else.

lintberg
11-12-2014, 04:47 PM
According to the seat rendering...my seats in 110 are gonzo....where are they going, who the F knows?

Oblio - I spoke with my ticket rep specifically regarding the top 3 rows of 110 (I'm row 33) - as a group we were requesting a group move if needed. According to my rep our seats will NOT be affected bythe new construction. It appears that a few seats a little lower down may be affected as they will have a new entrance to the section from the elevated concourse.

prizby
11-12-2014, 04:51 PM
what seat rendering?

Carts
11-12-2014, 05:11 PM
If you look at the pics on bmofield.com/expansion, it does look like the same number of rows are still on the east stand... Its definitely way higher than the south end, which is what the west side lines up with...

Obviously some seats will be displaced by those new entrances high up - but the stand height (aka number of rows) look very similar to now...

Now, this is me looking at an artist rendering - so WTF do I know to be honest LOL...

Lets just hope it works out where our good groups of supporters up there end up where they want to be in the end - be it similar location or elsewhere...

Carts...

nascarguy
11-12-2014, 05:29 PM
TFC is going to have to wait in till the end of the month for there 20% down.

gdg_9
11-12-2014, 05:32 PM
Have they even announced 2015 renewal prices?

How are they asking for down payments if we don't even know the cost yet, and some people don't even know if their seats are still there?!

FRANKIE65
11-12-2014, 06:57 PM
Have they even announced 2015 renewal prices?

How are they asking for down payments if we don't even know the cost yet, and some people don't even know if their seats are still there?!

Definitely looks like pricing, etc, will be announced early next week.
These initial down payments were for new season seat holders. I asked the same question to my rep about deposits for something that I didn't know the cost, or, location of. This deposit for newbies can be used for partial packages or single seats if the person isn't happy with what is available for seasons.

greatwhitenorf
11-12-2014, 07:07 PM
Me too. Keep breaking your reps balls about that. I was told we pick before anyone else.

Ha-hah-hah. Where are they located on an answering machine?

Offside goal
11-12-2014, 08:50 PM
Me too. Keep breaking your reps balls about that. I was told we pick before anyone else.

I was lead to believe this also. I'm in 111. How they relocate all 100 or so affected accounts to where they want to be will be interesting. I'm not looking for anything more expensive than supporters light grey and I expect to be offered a comparable pair to what I had before my seats became non existent.

InDa_110
11-12-2014, 09:24 PM
I was lead to believe this also. I'm in 111. How they relocate all 100 or so affected accounts to where they want to be will be interesting. I'm not looking for anything more expensive than supporters light grey and I expect to be offered a comparable pair to what I had before my seats became non existent.

I keep insisting on that too. The latest is that next week they will have some available, but that "preferred" seats will be held until the new year when relocation happens. Basically that means the new seats on sale to the public next week are not preferred. Which is contrary to us having first choice. It seems to me they are trying to secure as many new deposits as possible and dicking us around with what's available when.

WestStandGeoff
11-13-2014, 10:06 AM
I wonder - with the Raptors being better than past years - will Raptors tickets be included in our season ticket package...

FWIW, I saw a Groupon this morning for Raptor tickets, so while they might be doing better than usual, it still seems like there may be tickets to throw at TFC fans to entice renewals.

nascarguy
11-13-2014, 03:25 PM
FWIW, I saw a Groupon this morning for Raptor tickets, so while they might be doing better than usual, it still seems like there may be tickets to throw at TFC fans to entice renewals.
I hope that we get raptor tickets

FRANKIE65
11-13-2014, 03:31 PM
No email from my rep so far. According to the original one, today is the day for notice of "select a seat" appointment time.
As for Raptors tickets, I'd probably sell mine. Nothing against them, just not "my bag"

TFC07
11-13-2014, 04:21 PM
FWIW, I saw a Groupon this morning for Raptor tickets, so while they might be doing better than usual, it still seems like there may be tickets to throw at TFC fans to entice renewals.

I would be shocked if they give Raptor tickets away.

So far, Raptors have sold most of their games and today's game is already sold out. Also, prices on secondary market for Raptor tickets went up dramatically this year so it tells me demand for Raptors is there now.

I am not sure MLSE is willing to give 16,000 Raptor tickets away to us this time around.

FRANKIE65
11-13-2014, 05:04 PM
Just got the email...noon, Wednesday. Select a seat by phone.

markusp
11-13-2014, 05:08 PM
Greeting red patch boys!

How does select a seat by phone work? This will be my first time buying season tickets and I simply put down my $50 deposit and just got an email to be ready 10 min prior to my selection time by the phone. No seat map or anything showing what is available etc. Do I need to be at BMO field or is this just done over the phone?

Bargs7
11-13-2014, 05:27 PM
Just got the email...noon, Wednesday. Select a seat by phone.

Still didn't get an email

pdogg
11-14-2014, 05:52 PM
It's odd that they are allowing new SSHs to select seats prior to the existing SSHs doing their relocation, especially if all the new areas are up for grabs.

Ivy
11-14-2014, 11:20 PM
It's odd that they are allowing new SSHs to select seats prior to the existing SSHs doing their relocation, especially if all the new areas are up for grabs.

That.

Answer: new SS bring in more dough than renewals. Sell as many new tickets as possible, then worry about the rest.

Joe Kool
11-15-2014, 01:34 AM
It's odd that they are allowing new SSHs to select seats prior to the existing SSHs doing their relocation, especially if all the new areas are up for grabs.

They've done this kind of thing before. They will make 'select' seats available to the new people that want to be SSH's and they will hold back most of the more popular sections for the SSH renewal and relocation. The last time they did this they made the more expensive seats the ones available mostly to the new people with some scattered light grey in there and no supporter seats if I recall correctly. I am assuming the same will happen again this time because they wouldn't screw over their SSH base even if they make more money off of new buyers. Just my assumption based on past behaviour. I think the only people getting to pick anywhere will be the current SSH's being moved due to the construction.

OgtheDim
11-15-2014, 07:19 AM
The whole top east section should be available to the new SSH - that should give the spectrum of light grey to red, assuming they don't do the smart thing and make the place people see on TV cheaper.

Pookie
11-15-2014, 09:38 AM
Why does it feel like MLSE is trying to be sneaky?

Every… EVERY… other team in our Eastern Conference has published their season ticket prices for folks to be able to make informed decisions as to their purchase. Didn't have time to do the West but I'd wager a similar picture exists there. Not TFC though.

Montreal - http://www.impactmontreal.com/en/content/billets-de-saison-2015
New York - http://www.newyorkredbulls.com/earlybird
New England - http://www.revolutionsoccer.net/tickets/2015-season-tickets
Columbus - http://www.thecrew.com/sites/columbus/files/15fullseasonsecondwindow.pdf
Philadelphia - http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/tickets/2015-full-season-ticket-plan
DC - http://tickets.dcunited.com/pdf/2015-season-pricing.pdf
Sporting KC - SOLD OUT
Houston - http://www.houstondynamo.com/tickets
Chicago - http://www.chicago-fire.com/tickets/sth/pricing-and-benefits


Looks like they are asking for deposits up front. Selling new season tickets first without giving those new people the chance to pick up on seats that aren't renewed. And once again, doing all this without releasing pricing information.

There might be great business reasons but EVERY team in the Eastern Conference has been upfront with their fans as to the commitment they are asking of them. If there ever was an organization that needs to be transparent, it's TFC. Why the need to hold information back?

FRANKIE65
11-15-2014, 10:22 AM
Why does it feel like MLSE is trying to be sneaky?

Every… EVERY… other team in our Eastern Conference has published their season ticket prices for folks to be able to make informed decisions as to their purchase. Didn't have time to do the West but I'd wager a similar picture exists there. Not TFC though.

Montreal - http://www.impactmontreal.com/en/content/billets-de-saison-2015
New York - http://www.newyorkredbulls.com/earlybird
New England - http://www.revolutionsoccer.net/tickets/2015-season-tickets
Columbus - http://www.thecrew.com/sites/columbus/files/15fullseasonsecondwindow.pdf
Philadelphia - http://www.philadelphiaunion.com/tickets/2015-full-season-ticket-plan
DC - http://tickets.dcunited.com/pdf/2015-season-pricing.pdf
Sporting KC - SOLD OUT
Houston - http://www.houstondynamo.com/tickets
Chicago - http://www.chicago-fire.com/tickets/sth/pricing-and-benefits


Looks like they are asking for deposits up front. Selling new season tickets first without giving those new people the chance to pick up on seats that aren't renewed. And once again, doing all this without releasing pricing information.

There might be great business reasons but EVERY team in the Eastern Conference has been upfront with their fans as to the commitment they are asking of them. If there ever was an organization that needs to be transparent, it's TFC. Why the need to hold information back?

Good points. The early bird pricing info Monday, and, actual seat availability will be interesting. Much as I'd like to have seasons, I have no problem not signing up and using my two deposits towards single games. There will NOT be a scarcity of tickets available next season...I guarantee it, lol.

OgtheDim
11-15-2014, 11:30 AM
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There might be great business reasons but EVERY team in the Eastern Conference has been upfront with their fans as to the commitment they are asking of them. If there ever was an organization that needs to be transparent, it's TFC. Why the need to hold information back?


Well before it was the secretive cautious OTPP.

Now its the "we want to bamboozle you with unimportant splashy information while you overpay for stuff we don't pay all that much for" Bogers.

Pookie
11-15-2014, 12:05 PM
^ it also sounds like new ticket holders will have a 10 (or so) minute window to make a purchase decision before they move on to the next one. Sort of like buying gas contracts at the door. Asking for a contract without time to research all the options.

Nuvinho
11-16-2014, 08:25 AM
I was told my seats which are I had since day one will no longer be available......sigh! Section 108, Row 22, seats 1 and 2

OgtheDim
11-16-2014, 08:39 AM
I was told my seats which are I had since day one will no longer be available......sigh! Section 108, Row 22, seats 1 and 2

That sucks.

Looks like the section exits are taking up aisle seats. Hopefully, they will offer you seats where the current exits that go down are going to be filled in.

mcconnia
11-16-2014, 08:49 AM
Would have thought they'd push the boat out for anyone who has lost their seat(s). Quite looking forward to pricing announcement and intend going through all the others in advance (excellent list thanks). As another day oner I expect a red carpet to be rolled out! Never mind a raffle for early birds - free stuff. Keep the raptors tickets or whatever, there must still be loads of "BMO" gear - National Sports has plenty (Player t-shirts for $35!). No survey this year has me worried, could they be so dumb as to up the prices? ANY INCREASE and I'm out (is that too late for the Front Office to change those prices?).

Canary10
11-17-2014, 02:23 PM
The season seat renewal site is up. Looks like pricing is the same for people renewing. Good move.

http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca.s199291.gridserver.com/renew.html

Detroit_TFC
11-17-2014, 02:41 PM
I'm so glad the club level attendees will have a better game day experience. That's certainly my number one concern. FFS.

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 02:45 PM
Still waiting for the email for new season seat pricing, and, availability will be interesting. They are already showing new sections as "sold out"?!

ironcub14
11-17-2014, 02:50 PM
Site for those looking for new season ticket pricing: http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca.s199291.gridserver.com/new.html

Phil
11-17-2014, 02:55 PM
Oh I HATE this:


At the beginning of last season, we promised you that renewal pricing would be tied to the team's performance. With that commitment in mind, we are pleased to tell you that you will be able to renew your season seats by December 15th for the same price as last season.


If this team ever starts winning, we are in for a nasty price increase. I don't like how they spelled it out so bluntly.

Wagner
11-17-2014, 02:55 PM
The season seat renewal site is up. Looks like pricing is the same for people renewing. Good move.

http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca.s199291.gridserver.com/renew.html

Thanks for posting.

good work on TFC's part to hold prices.

and yeah, I agree with Phil.
they are totally going to hammer us when the team finally does well.

Pookie
11-17-2014, 03:06 PM
The season seat renewal site is up. Looks like pricing is the same for people renewing. Good move.

http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca.s199291.gridserver.com/renew.html

I wonder what was so hard about that to have to be the last to do it?

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 03:09 PM
Site for those looking for new season ticket pricing: http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca.s199291.gridserver.com/new.html



Looks to me like they are going to try to sell new season seat purchasers medium grey pricing or higher. Funny how the three low price points are all marked sold out already. Hmmm

Areathrasher
11-17-2014, 03:10 PM
Yea, how the hell are those Black seats in the new upper East already sold out?

They holding them back to sell as single tickets on the cheap?

Wagner
11-17-2014, 03:24 PM
There's no way those Black sections are sold out.
I wonder if they are being held until after the renewal and released during relocation.

Auzzy
11-17-2014, 03:29 PM
Oh I HATE this:


At the beginning of last season, we promised you that renewal pricing would be tied to the team's performance. With that commitment in mind, we are pleased to tell you that you will be able to renew your season seats by December 15th for the same price as last season.

If this team ever starts winning, we are in for a nasty price increase. I don't like how they spelled it out so bluntly.

"We are pleased to tell you that we sucked again this season."

Detroit_TFC
11-17-2014, 03:30 PM
Oh I HATE this:



If this team ever starts winning, we are in for a nasty price increase. I don't like how they spelled it out so bluntly.

Indeed. The "new ST" price for Yellow ($342) is 80% more than the frozen 07 renewal amount ($190). There's going to be some sticker shock in our future eventually.

Cas87
11-17-2014, 03:35 PM
There's no way those Black sections are sold out.
I wonder if they are being held until after the renewal and released during relocation.

^^^
Agree with this,

as well as probably they will become Group Seats, Mini-Pack seats, and single game seats

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 04:03 PM
Didn't look like renewals were getting any Raptors tickets and/or free jersey's either?

Ultra & Proud
11-17-2014, 04:16 PM
Didn't look like renewals were getting any Raptors tickets and/or free jersey's either?
Nope but you can have breakfast with Bez or a BBQ with the management team. Lots of odd 'experiences' up for grabs.

As well as getting paid in "BMO Bucks" or jerseys to recruit new SSHs.

Everything about this 2015 renewal page is weird.

Pookie
11-17-2014, 04:17 PM
Holy crap. If you look at North End pricing for new season ticket holders after Feb 6, they are setting a retail value on these seats as $779 each. In 2012, those seats would have set a new STH back $591.

In 3 seasons, the price has gone up 32%.

And "Yellow" and "Light Grey" sold out for new season seat holders…??? Yeah that sounds about right. The cheapest pair for a new fan… $1,368 if you buy before Feb 6. $1,520 if you wait.

Where do I sign up???

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 04:19 PM
Nope but you can have breakfast with Bez or a BBQ with the management team. Lots of odd 'experiences' up for grabs.

As well as getting paid in "BMO Bucks" or jerseys to recruit new SSHs.

Everything about this 2015 renewal page is weird.

Wasn't the bbq a free event prior to next year, anyways??? I agree, very strange...but, then, this is MLSE.

Pookie
11-17-2014, 04:22 PM
^ and I like that traditional seat holders don't get access to "exclusive VIP events"… All for One… ?

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 04:27 PM
Holy crap. If you look at North End pricing for new season ticket holders after Feb 6, they are setting a retail value on these seats as $779 each. In 2012, those seats would have set a new STH back $591.

In 3 seasons, the price has gone up 32%.

And "Yellow" and "Light Grey" sold out for new season seat holders…??? Yeah that sounds about right. The cheapest pair for a new fan… $1,368 if you buy before Feb 6. $1,520 if you wait.

Where do I sign up???

Yeah, that will pretty much price me out of purchasing. I'll put my $100 deposit towards singles, and, purchase tickets elsewhere for $20 a seat...like this past season. I don't want to be totally negative...good that they didn't raise renewals, but, the constant friggin' gouging by MLSE has to stop. See how many actual "new ssh's" they get at those price points.

Pookie
11-17-2014, 04:34 PM
Yeah, that will pretty much price me out of purchasing. I'll put my $100 deposit towards singles, and, purchase tickets elsewhere for $20 a seat...like this past season. I don't want to be totally negative...good that they didn't raise renewals, but, the constant friggin' gouging by MLSE has to stop. See how many actual "new ssh's" they get at those price points.

The strategy I can't understand is why they create two classes… maybe three… of season ticket holders. You've got the loyal ones that come every year. Then the new ones. And now this third tier of club seaters vs traditional seaters. This third tier is perplexing. Why, especially now, wouldn't they want to treat every season ticket holder as special?

As for the first two, I get that you might want to reward the long timers but as a former long timer, wouldn't it be more important to bring in new fans as equal customers? What if I just moved to Toronto and I buy a pair for hundreds more than the guy next to me. What if I am a graduating student and all you are offering me is a $+1,300 pair… which even if I can afford it, is hundreds more than the guy who might be sitting beside me.

How does this make any sense in terms of attracting and keeping customers?

The real fear is that once they find success… I know big assumption… that renewal pricing gap may disappear as speculated above by Detroit_TFC

trane
11-17-2014, 04:37 PM
"We are pleased to tell you that we sucked again this season."

This is how I read it. I am getting them again this year. But fuck I do not like it.

Initial B
11-17-2014, 05:11 PM
As for the first two, I get that you might want to reward the long timers but as a former long timer, wouldn't it be more important to bring in new fans as equal customers? What if I just moved to Toronto and I buy a pair for hundreds more than the guy next to me. What if I am a graduating student and all you are offering me is a $+1,300 pair… which even if I can afford it, is hundreds more than the guy who might be sitting beside me.

How does this make any sense in terms of attracting and keeping customers?
New fans probably won't be told what the old pricing was. This looks to me like it's targetted at the existing SSH to say, "See, if you get rid of your season tickets now, you'll be paying a lot more when you want them back. And if not, well, I'm sure the people on the waiting list will take them at the new price point. We're still cheaper than Raptors or Leafs tickets." To me it smacks of holding SSHs for ransom. Someone should leak it to the Star. :tongue:

Klinsmann
11-17-2014, 05:13 PM
WTF - I was looking forward to see another Raptors game this year!

TFC07
11-17-2014, 05:17 PM
WTF - I was looking forward to see another Raptors game this year!

Raptors are pretty much sold out this year so it will be hard to give away Raptor tickets for free to TFC SSH.

Besides price, what other benefit is there to renew our tickets before December deadline?

OgtheDim
11-17-2014, 05:27 PM
Thoughts:

Wow, that top East side is WAAAY over priced for a section that is facing the TV cameras.

4 tiers? Why?

101, 102, 128,129 & 130 are now medium Grey?

East Field Side "boxes" as against the seats on the West Side


2016 - would not be surprised if there are section changes to the West Side

OgtheDim
11-17-2014, 05:31 PM
Oh did anybody else notice that if you refer 8+ people to get seasons this year, you get 2 seasons for 2016?

Scalpers are going to have fun with that.

Still Kicking
11-17-2014, 06:05 PM
What irks me is that it seems that the long time ssh are shut out of any dining/wining opportunities from new facilities. You can't keep your present seats and pay an extra fee to become a club member - giving you somewhere to grab a bite before or after the game.

MLSE has no sense that they own a football club. To them club is just a word on the end of the name of their franchise. They ignore that the strongest members of their club would be passionate supporters who have been dedicated to the club for years.

The design of the new facilities is pitched towards corporate boxes and future bandwagon fans (with lots of cash).
Typical MLSE - I suspect their tunnel club will be filled with folks who have never been to a game before and would not be capable of identifying a player.

I did not expect much from the redesign pitched towards existing ssh, but I did not expect a total shut-out either...

MightyDM
11-17-2014, 06:19 PM
What irks me is that it seems that the long time ssh are shut out of any dining/wining opportunities from new facilities. You can't keep your present seats and pay an extra fee to become a club member - giving you somewhere to grab a bite before or after the game.

MLSE has no sense that they own a football club. To them club is just a word on the end of the name of their franchise. They ignore that the strongest members of their club would be passionate supporters who have been dedicated to the club for years

I did not expect much from the redesign pitched towards existing ssh, but I did not expect a total shut-out either...

good point. This bothers me more than the future price increases. 340$$$ for 17 games is still pretty reasonable.

Ivy
11-17-2014, 06:48 PM
Didn't look like renewals were getting any Raptors tickets and/or free jersey's either?
Th jerseys were a BMO promo, and if rumours are true, they're not going to be the jersey sponsor next year.

Mark TFC
11-17-2014, 06:50 PM
So wait... are season ticket prices nearly doubling for next season?

brad
11-17-2014, 06:56 PM
So wait... are season ticket prices nearly doubling for next season?

Increasing the supply and the price when demand is not exactly high. Something fishy here - that makes little sense. Unless they are planning another splash. Or scaremongering exiting SSH's into keeping there searTs as pointed out above.

flamehawk
11-17-2014, 07:00 PM
I was planning to move into the yellows from light grey... but there doesn't seem to be a relocation option? Is that not happening this year?

Mark TFC
11-17-2014, 07:00 PM
iccreasing the supply and the price when demand is not exactly high. Something fishy here - that makes little sense. Unless they are planning another splash. Or scaremongering exiting SSH's into keeping there searTs as pointed out above.

I blindly put down two deposits a month or two ago, hoping that something would be available in my price range. Now it looks like the black seating is all sold out and my next best bet is medium grey. I wonder if these will all magically sell out too, because if so, I've just lost my deposits.

BuSaPuNk
11-17-2014, 07:05 PM
I was planning to move into the yellows from light grey... but there doesn't seem to be a relocation option? Is that not happening this year?

Reolcation is in February

Nuvinho
11-17-2014, 07:07 PM
^yeah February which pisses me off. I am losing my seats, but have to wait to relocate. It shows you how they treat day 1 season ticket holders. This is becoming a suits stadium with all these boxes, etc.

Areathrasher
11-17-2014, 07:09 PM
Reolcation is in February

You have to renew your existing seats first before relocation?

BuSaPuNk
11-17-2014, 07:11 PM
You have to renew your existing seats first before relocation?

Yes. Been that way as far as i can remember. Its a roll of the dice especially with your banking on only paying a certain amount of money.

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 07:16 PM
Th jerseys were a BMO promo, and if rumours are true, they're not going to be the jersey sponsor next year.

Yup, I know. Doesn't mean they couldn't offer it with the new sponsor.

I blindly put down two deposits a month or two ago, hoping that something would be available in my price range. Now it looks like the black seating is all sold out and my next best bet is medium grey. I wonder if these will all magically sell out too, because if so, I've just lost my deposits.

According to my rep you won't lose your deposit. You can purchase singles or packs. I NEVER would have put a $100 down without some sort of guarantee.

flamehawk
11-17-2014, 07:27 PM
Yes. Been that way as far as i can remember. Its a roll of the dice especially with your banking on only paying a certain amount of money.


If you get relocated to a cheaper section, to get you get your money back?

pdogg
11-17-2014, 08:13 PM
Where is everyone seeing sections being sold out? I must be missing a link on the renewal website somewhere?

OgtheDim
11-17-2014, 08:15 PM
I wonder if they realise the amount of scalpers who bought in last year hoping to make a hefty profit on the success? If those guys didn't make as much as they hoped, they'll be reducing their investment.



Would be nice to not see a wad of 50+ season tickets in scalper's hands. I get that MLSE has an....ahem...symbiotic relationship to those guys, but it still sticks in my craw that prices are being kept artificially high cause what amounts to a syndicate hope to make some coin off of desperate people.

The family of 4 price for tickets to these games is just waaay too high, compared to the rest of the league.

OgtheDim
11-17-2014, 08:17 PM
Where is everyone seeing sections being sold out? I must be missing a link on the renewal website somewhere?


http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca/new.html

arsenal
11-17-2014, 08:17 PM
If you get relocated to a cheaper section, to get you get your money back?

Yes in the past if you had overpaid you get credited back. But if you take the payment plan they just adjust future payments down to compensate. Not sure what availability was like this past year for yellows for relocation but don't imagine too many giving up with the continued low price. Best bet is probably next year if they significantly raise prices.

jazzy
11-17-2014, 08:42 PM
Thanks for posting.

good work on TFC's part to hold prices.

and yeah, I agree with Phil.
they are totally going to hammer us when the team finally does well.

so then we're in the clear for at least 10 years :0

pdogg
11-17-2014, 08:45 PM
Wow, amazed at the pricing grid that they have setup for the new upper east level. I had originally hoped to move from my section (mid-upper 110) to the area just above it. To get the same pricing, I'd need to be sitting way at the back of 210. I guess I expected something similar to the west stand.

Renewal is very iffy for me this year, not because of the quality on the pitch but mostly due to lack of relocation options. The individuals in the seats directly beside and in front of us ruined many game day experiences, so we were hoping on moving to the uppers. With such odd pricing, and lack of light greys available, we may just go to the single game route.

Bargs7
11-17-2014, 08:51 PM
Just wanted to share my experience that I had today as a fan trying to become a new season seat holder for the first time.

First of all, this whole thing has been a very frustrating process. I have wanted to buy seasons seats for a long time but there was never something available in my price range(around $350-$400). I even did the half season pack for a while so I can be "higher" on the wait list.

When I heard about the stadium expansion, I was pretty sure I could find something in my price range. I decided right away to put a deposit down, knowing that the deposit wasn't refundable but that I could use it for another ticket purchase if they couldn't find my seats.

I emailed my ticket rep before placing the deposit and told him what price range I was looking for and what type of seats (similar to light greys). He said that "he would make sure he finds the seats I am looking for".

Today I get an email saying that ALL light grey's and blacks in the new upper east stand were sold out to begin with.

I thought I was missing something. How is it that all light grey's and blacks in a brand new upper level were sold out? I emailed my rep asking him to clarify since we were told that if we put a deposit down, we are the first to get access to the new seats. His response?

"Those light greys in the new seats are dedicated for youth soccer clubs around the GTA.
I’m sorry about that but we have certain commitments to the youth soccer community for groups each game."

This didn't make any sense to me. There is no way that MLSE will save ALL light greys in the entire upper east stand for youth soccer clubs.

I emailed him back and told him to not bother calling me tomorrow during my designated appointment time as the only available tickets for new season seat holder are medium greys (they go for $684).

Overall a disappointing experience. I guess I'll stick to getting cheap tickets on game day!

molenshtain
11-17-2014, 09:33 PM
Just wanted to share my experience that I had today as a fan trying to become a new season seat holder for the first time.

First of all, this whole thing has been a very frustrating process. I have wanted to buy seasons seats for a long time but there was never something available in my price range(around $350-$400). I even did the half season pack for a while so I can be "higher" on the wait list.

When I heard about the stadium expansion, I was pretty sure I could find something in my price range. I decided right away to put a deposit down, knowing that the deposit wasn't refundable but that I could use it for another ticket purchase if they couldn't find my seats.

I emailed my ticket rep before placing the deposit and told him what price range I was looking for and what type of seats (similar to light greys). He said that "he would make sure he finds the seats I am looking for".

Today I get an email saying that ALL light grey's and blacks in the new upper east stand were sold out to begin with.

I thought I was missing something. How is it that all light grey's and blacks in a brand new upper level were sold out? I emailed my rep asking him to clarify since we were told that if we put a deposit down, we are the first to get access to the new seats. His response?

"Those light greys in the new seats are dedicated for youth soccer clubs around the GTA.
I’m sorry about that but we have certain commitments to the youth soccer community for groups each game."

This didn't make any sense to me. There is no way that MLSE will save ALL light greys in the entire upper east stand for youth soccer clubs.

I emailed him back and told him to not bother calling me tomorrow during my designated appointment time as the only available tickets for new season seat holder are medium greys (they go for $684).

Overall a disappointing experience. I guess I'll stick to getting cheap tickets on game day!

Those seats are ALL for youth teams? FO must be damned worried about empty seats on the TV side of the field.

TFC07
11-17-2014, 09:40 PM
Those seats are ALL for youth teams? FO must be damned worried about empty seats on the TV side of the field.

Or more like they're trying to get people to buy expensive seats instead of cheap seats that usually sold out first.

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 09:51 PM
Just wanted to share my experience that I had today as a fan trying to become a new season seat holder for the first time.

First of all, this whole thing has been a very frustrating process. I have wanted to buy seasons seats for a long time but there was never something available in my price range(around $350-$400). I even did the half season pack for a while so I can be "higher" on the wait list.

When I heard about the stadium expansion, I was pretty sure I could find something in my price range. I decided right away to put a deposit down, knowing that the deposit wasn't refundable but that I could use it for another ticket purchase if they couldn't find my seats.

I emailed my ticket rep before placing the deposit and told him what price range I was looking for and what type of seats (similar to light greys). He said that "he would make sure he finds the seats I am looking for".

Today I get an email saying that ALL light grey's and blacks in the new upper east stand were sold out to begin with.

I thought I was missing something. How is it that all light grey's and blacks in a brand new upper level were sold out? I emailed my rep asking him to clarify since we were told that if we put a deposit down, we are the first to get access to the new seats. His response?

"Those light greys in the new seats are dedicated for youth soccer clubs around the GTA.
I’m sorry about that but we have certain commitments to the youth soccer community for groups each game."

This didn't make any sense to me. There is no way that MLSE will save ALL light greys in the entire upper east stand for youth soccer clubs.

I emailed him back and told him to not bother calling me tomorrow during my designated appointment time as the only available tickets for new season seat holder are medium greys (they go for $684).

Overall a disappointing experience. I guess I'll stick to getting cheap tickets on game day!

And there it is. Wonder what the story is for the black seating...not that there is a big difference in price between them and medium grey. Guess they really don't need to sell the new seats if everyone renews at last year's prices?

lobo
11-17-2014, 10:02 PM
"One (1) renewed account, receives one (1) Exclusive Season Seat Holder Experience."

So, properly, it should be called the Exclusive Account Holder Experience, because no matter how many season seats your account holds, you get just "one (1)" exclusive experience.

what a bunch of dicks.

edit - well, i see that each experience includes a guest, so at least there's that.

FRANKIE65
11-17-2014, 11:03 PM
"One (1) renewed account, receives one (1) Exclusive Season Seat Holder Experience."

So, properly, it should be called the Exclusive Account Holder Experience, because no matter how many season seats your account holds, you get just "one (1)" exclusive experience.

what a bunch of dicks.

edit - well, i see that each experience includes a guest, so at least there's that.

Just compared the two lists...no mention of the season seat holder experience in the new sign up list. Do they want to sell these new seats or not???? Sad the way they are messing this up. Take a good look at Pookie's list of other club's benefits for seasons....no comparison. Damn, guess it's just another chapter in the life of a MLSE team fan/supporter.

glaze
11-17-2014, 11:51 PM
I understand why they couldn't include raptor seats this year,
But still, I don't see other than discounted cost (which brings up a whole different discussion about proper pricing), what they are offering season seat holders.
Where is the value added? Where are the fun items that make you feel valued as an SSH?
We had a garbage result on the field this past season, they added a tonne of new seat inventory, and they created this flashy website, to pimp the fact they are giving us a scarf.
No raptor tix, no jersey, nothing.

SirBobSaget
11-18-2014, 01:09 AM
So crazy that some price levels (eg light to dark gray) you step across an aisle or go up one row and pay double.

Besides that just do fed up with this organization . We delivered a big steaming pile so to reward you loyal fans we won't gouge you any more than before.

SirBobSaget
11-18-2014, 01:11 AM
There's no value unless demand sudden skyrockets . Right now would be lucky to sell your seat for half price if cant attend.

prizby
11-18-2014, 06:31 AM
Had 6 young friends; recent university grads who in the previous couple years went to about 3 to 7 games each. They spent $50 each on that non-refundable deposit only to find out the least expensive option they have is $36/game tickets and they'd have a hard time sitting together at that price. This pricing strategy does not get new fans out; it especially does not help increase the supporter base. When will MLSE learn we don't want to be priced like an EPL club and we aren't TML fans

OgtheDim
11-18-2014, 07:25 AM
....This pricing strategy does not get new fans out; it especially does not help increase the supporter base.....


I think they are just, and I do mean just, beginning to understand that

a) scalpers are not their market.

b) TV shows a whole swath of the crowd that is not seen during hockey and bball games.

The move to get youth teams in the east side is a small step in the mental process.

But, gosh they are thick.

Pookie
11-18-2014, 07:32 AM
I feel for your friends prizby.

The sad thing is, after renewals, I'll bet that seats in the affordable sections open up.

And I have my eyebrow raised as high as it can go over the notion that thousands of seats in the new sections have been pre-sold or at least set aside for youth soccer teams. How many soccer clubs are snapping up a min of 30 seats each for the season? And when exactly was (or is) this sale process to soccer clubs?

Possible. Probable?

They had two routes to go. Grassroots or create artificial value for those that spend more.

Good luck to them on the latter strategy they opted to go with.

Don't worry though, when they need to market atmosphere of the "most passionate fans in MLS" I am sure they will reach out to you all.

If you re-up, all the power to you. Don't forget your suit and cell phone. And try not to arrive before the 20 min mark of the first Half. You wouldn't want to look out of place with the other most passionate fans in MLS(E) they have opted to now build their business around.

Fort York Redcoat
11-18-2014, 08:04 AM
Just wanted to share my experience that I had today as a fan trying to become a new season seat holder for the first time.

First of all, this whole thing has been a very frustrating process. I have wanted to buy seasons seats for a long time but there was never something available in my price range(around $350-$400). I even did the half season pack for a while so I can be "higher" on the wait list.

When I heard about the stadium expansion, I was pretty sure I could find something in my price range. I decided right away to put a deposit down, knowing that the deposit wasn't refundable but that I could use it for another ticket purchase if they couldn't find my seats.

I emailed my ticket rep before placing the deposit and told him what price range I was looking for and what type of seats (similar to light greys). He said that "he would make sure he finds the seats I am looking for".

Today I get an email saying that ALL light grey's and blacks in the new upper east stand were sold out to begin with.

I thought I was missing something. How is it that all light grey's and blacks in a brand new upper level were sold out? I emailed my rep asking him to clarify since we were told that if we put a deposit down, we are the first to get access to the new seats. His response?

"Those light greys in the new seats are dedicated for youth soccer clubs around the GTA.
I’m sorry about that but we have certain commitments to the youth soccer community for groups each game."

This didn't make any sense to me. There is no way that MLSE will save ALL light greys in the entire upper east stand for youth soccer clubs.

I emailed him back and told him to not bother calling me tomorrow during my designated appointment time as the only available tickets for new season seat holder are medium greys (they go for $684).

Overall a disappointing experience. I guess I'll stick to getting cheap tickets on game day!


Those seats are ALL for youth teams? FO must be damned worried about empty seats on the TV side of the field.


Or more like they're trying to get people to buy expensive seats instead of cheap seats that usually sold out first.

8,000 kids want to go see TFC every game? That's awesome. I've seen how many they get out to Canada games and if this season sells out in Top of the East stand AND THE GROUPS SHOW UP it will look and be fantastic for the future of the sport, not just the club.

I don't enjoy thinking so doubtfully but let's consider the monumental credit TFC should get if this has already happened - Something Canada has tried to do time and again for its games and you've seen the results. I would imagine this "job done" would have already been plastered all over the media filled with well-earned back slapping.

So IF they have sold or even given away those seats already I anxiously anticipate the packed crowd. If this is a ruse they will hear about to an extent that will damage their reputation even more(?)(Is that even possible?).

Phil
11-18-2014, 08:32 AM
^^^ with the way the club treats the other soccer teams in Southern Ontario, I expect those seats to be empty. If you plunk down those tickets to youth soccer on a night where the OSA makes it OK for the kids to come, then they take them.

TFC games would interfere with most tournaments (weekends) and practice times. As a result most pass, or take them and don't show up. Also mix in the ewww factor that its TFC and people don't want to watch a loosing team - it could be a while before there is any real demand. This whole renewal and expansion feels like lipstick on a pig.

I will stick with it, but its clear that TFC missing the playoffs threw a pretty major monkey wrench into MLSE's plan.

brad
11-18-2014, 08:35 AM
I feel for your friends prizby.

The sad thing is, after renewals, I'll bet that seats in the affordable sections open up.

And I have my eyebrow raised as high as it can go over the notion that thousands of seats in the new sections have been pre-sold or at least set aside for youth soccer teams. How many soccer clubs are snapping up a min of 30 seats each for the season? And when exactly was (or is) this sale process to soccer clubs?

Possible. Probable?

They had two routes to go. Grassroots or create artificial value for those that spend more.

Good luck to them on the latter strategy they opted to go with.

Don't worry though, when they need to market atmosphere of the "most passionate fans in MLS" I am sure they will reach out to you all.

If you re-up, all the power to you. Don't forget your suit and cell phone. And try not to arrive before the 20 min mark of the first Half. You wouldn't want to look out of place with the other most passionate fans in MLS(E) they have opted to now build their business around.

Devil is in the details here. You'll note the wording is "dedicated" to youth clubs, not sold or given. If true, they have a sizable block available for youth teams, some fraction of the will get used on a game by game basis, and rest can be turned around and sold as singles by the club. I'll bet a lot of those tickets are available as singles on TM this season.

It's a convenient excuse to give to people that were hoping to get in on a low price point, because, if, as FYR says - they actually get thousands of kids out per game (which is about as likely as pigs flying, or TFC making the playoffs), it's hard to argue that is a not good thing.

Pookie
11-18-2014, 08:51 AM
If they can get 8,000 kids and parents to games then that is awesome.

As a coach who brought my own teams down, it is a great experience and the game day staff made it memorable for the kids (player escorts, etc).

However, I don't ever recall those seats being free. In fact, I don't even recall much of a group discount.

I do recall my own soccer club giving up their 10+ season seats they had based on the rising prices.

As a soccer parent, I also know that most kids are involved in weekend matches. Every Saturday for those of us with kids in SAAC or the OPDL. Micro soccer thrives on weekends as do rep tournaments.

I am like you. I think these are being held back so as the expensive seats can be sold first. I am highly skeptical that these tickets will be given away and equally skeptical that clubs, many of whom are running deficits, will be lining up to buy thousands of these seats on a season long basis.

I guess we'll know soon.

BuSaPuNk
11-18-2014, 08:54 AM
If so seats are earmarked for youth teams its a positive. Doubt how many show up because of schedule or such like Phil said.

The pricing model has to be looked at thats for sure. Having a non increase for renewals is fine and keeps your long time fans mostly happy with renewing. However as a new fan why would I shell out close to double as a new SSH?

It seems like they don't believe they can keep the long time fans happy without flogging someone. Its sad as i feel it will draw those thinking of jumping on board to just going with single seats all season long.

Still Kicking
11-18-2014, 08:54 AM
I wrote to my ticket rep. Perhaps I am thread straddling (should this be in BMO Expansion?) but I feel that the renewal email and info seems more of a snub than an enticement.... (ps I did tell her that I would post parts of my letter both here and on my blog)

I am concerned with the expansion, notably the clubs and dining facilities that are being added. Not one will be available to the loyal fans who sit in section 220. As a season seat holder since day 1, I have found that your section becomes your neighbourhood. I consider many of the folks around us good friends. So, essentially, looking at upgrading your section (which seems the only way to get access to improved dining and any VIP perks) feels like abandoning your friends and neighbours.


Did consideration for regular fans, the ones who have been there for years, never enter somebody's head? I think that a dining facility that had no view of the field, but was available before, during and after the game has real potential. Fans in a section such as 220 are not poverty stricken. They have been a part of the club for years. Your new BMO Field is telling them to continue to spend their pre-game and post-game dollars in Liberty Village. You are too busy catering in fancy clubs for big bucks people who wouldn't know a Bradley from a Dichio...

I am afraid my perception of this is that MLSE continues to put "Corporate schmoozing" ahead of facilities for fans.

I fully understand that your role is to field the complaints, you are not making the decisions. Thanks for reading and talk soon.

FRANKIE65
11-18-2014, 08:58 AM
Devil is in the details here. You'll note the wording is "dedicated" to youth clubs, not sold or given. If true, they have a sizable block available for youth teams, some fraction of the will get used on a game by game basis, and rest can be turned around and sold as singles by the club. I'll bet a lot of those tickets are available as singles on TM this season.

It's a convenient excuse to give to people that were hoping to get in on a low price point, because, if, as FYR says - they actually get thousands of kids out per game (which is about as likely as pigs flying, or TFC making the playoffs), it's hard to argue that is a not good thing.

BINGO!!!! I'd put money on the fact those seats are, for the most part, sold as singles this season.

Fort York Redcoat
11-18-2014, 09:29 AM
I wrote to my ticket rep. Perhaps I am thread straddling (should this be in BMO Expansion?) but I feel that the renewal email and info seems more of a snub than an enticement.... (ps I did tell her that I would post parts of my letter both here and on my blog)

I am concerned with the expansion, notably the clubs and dining facilities that are being added. Not one will be available to the loyal fans who sit in section 220. As a season seat holder since day 1, I have found that your section becomes your neighbourhood. I consider many of the folks around us good friends. So, essentially, looking at upgrading your section (which seems the only way to get access to improved dining and any VIP perks) feels like abandoning your friends and neighbours.


Did consideration for regular fans, the ones who have been there for years, never enter somebody's head? I think that a dining facility that had no view of the field, but was available before, during and after the game has real potential. Fans in a section such as 220 are not poverty stricken. They have been a part of the club for years. Your new BMO Field is telling them to continue to spend their pre-game and post-game dollars in Liberty Village. You are too busy catering in fancy clubs for big bucks people who wouldn't know a Bradley from a Dichio...

I am afraid my perception of this is that MLSE continues to put "Corporate schmoozing" ahead of facilities for fans.

I fully understand that your role is to field the complaints, you are not making the decisions. Thanks for reading and talk soon.


Wait- You want a restaurant in 220?

Stress
11-18-2014, 09:33 AM
Does anyone know if they are moving the away supporters section as part of the expansion?

Canary10
11-18-2014, 09:33 AM
Does it make sense to pay extra to have access to one of the clubs? The club tickets come with better seats. I get the neighbourhood thing and people do get attached to their section, but I can see why this wouldn't make sense from their perspective. Why not just get the better seats?

Phil
11-18-2014, 09:38 AM
Well previous to this there was a rogers club, but honestly it wasn't something I ever cared about. As long as they continue to give supporters groups the ability to support and grow thats really it from me. I don't go there to drink in their overpriced products or fabricated enviornments. Its true, they could have opened it up more, but the only reason I know some of that shit exists is because its on a web site.

Canary10
11-18-2014, 09:41 AM
How is everyone seeing the pricing options on all the sections of the stadium? I can't see any stadium chart that shows that. Can someone post a link?

brad
11-18-2014, 09:57 AM
How is everyone seeing the pricing options on all the sections of the stadium? I can't see any stadium chart that shows that. Can someone post a link?

http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca/new.html

ironcub14
11-18-2014, 09:58 AM
How is everyone seeing the pricing options on all the sections of the stadium? I can't see any stadium chart that shows that. Can someone post a link?
It's the same link people have been sharing. For new: http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca/new.html, for renew: http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca/renew.html. For both sites, click on "Pricing and Details" at the top left.

Canary10
11-18-2014, 10:03 AM
It's the same link people have been sharing. For new: http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca/new.html, for renew: http://seasonseats.torontofc.ca/renew.html. For both sites, click on "Pricing and Details" at the top left.

Thanks. I was accessing it through my renew link I guess.

ironcub14
11-18-2014, 10:24 AM
Thanks. I was accessing it through my renew link I guess.

I did realize right after I posted, that that the stadium chart wasn't on the renewal site, my bad!

sashavukelich
11-18-2014, 10:24 AM
Well Disappointed, despite it being suggested by my Ticket Manager's Boss (Derek D) that i'd possibly be able to get my ticket back, today on the phone I had absolutely no luck, and they were trying to get me into a new 'entry level' ticket at the cost of ~580$ (roughly double my old ticket in 114).

Absolutely gutted, especially seeing as me and miss are likely moving to BC, so this was going to be our last season. Go whitecaps? LOL

Carts
11-18-2014, 10:26 AM
I just renewed my tix... Same price as last year - and the jump after Dec.15th is significant...

Might as well get it out of the way before I forget LOL

Canary10
11-18-2014, 10:31 AM
Well Disappointed, despite it being suggested by my Ticket Manager's Boss (Derek D) that i'd possibly be able to get my ticket back, today on the phone I had absolutely no luck, and they were trying to get me into a new 'entry level' ticket at the cost of ~580$ (roughly double my old ticket in 114).

Absolutely gutted, especially seeing as me and miss are likely moving to BC, so this was going to be our last season. Go whitecaps? LOL

You're losing your seat because of the stadium expansion?

sashavukelich
11-18-2014, 11:06 AM
Nah, i gave it up after 6 seasons and have tried to get it back (didn't renew in anger at results), and the guy told me this year he'd likely be able to get it back. And yet...now, nothing. and they won't refund my deposit.

Fort York Redcoat
11-18-2014, 11:26 AM
Well Disappointed, despite it being suggested by my Ticket Manager's Boss (Derek D) that i'd possibly be able to get my ticket back, today on the phone I had absolutely no luck, and they were trying to get me into a new 'entry level' ticket at the cost of ~580$ (roughly double my old ticket in 114).

Absolutely gutted, especially seeing as me and miss are likely moving to BC, so this was going to be our last season. Go whitecaps? LOL


Nah, i gave it up after 6 seasons and have tried to get it back (didn't renew in anger at results), and the guy told me this year he'd likely be able to get it back. And yet...now, nothing. and they won't refund my deposit.

Shame about the entry level hike but I wouldn't expect to come back to seasons at the price I left at either.

There's plenty of footy in BC outside of MLS btw. Enjoy the coast, mountains, etc.

Still Kicking
11-18-2014, 12:01 PM
Wait- You want a restaurant in 220?

Not quite. I was hoping that at least one eatery in the building would be available to season seat holders - perhaps something akin to Real Sports Bar and Grill?


Years ago, more than ten because Charlton Athletic was in the EPL, I attended a Charlton v Man City game. The tickets came with a meal in their Observatory Club. This was an eating spot that had windows that opened to the outside of the stadium, so it was not a place you watched the game from, but it was a place where you had somewhere to sit, someone to take your order. We went there before the game and after the game too. It would ease their traffic burden and improve their dollar per fan interests if they had somewhere that TFC ssh felt they belonged....

Ultra & Proud
11-18-2014, 12:11 PM
Not quite. I was hoping that at least one eatery in the building would be available to season seat holders - perhaps something akin to Real Sports Bar and Grill?


Years ago, more than ten because Charlton Athletic was in the EPL, I attended a Charlton v Man City game. The tickets came with a meal in their Observatory Club. This was an eating spot that had windows that opened to the outside of the stadium, so it was not a place you watched the game from, but it was a place where you had somewhere to sit, someone to take your order. We went there before the game and after the game too. It would ease their traffic burden and improve their dollar per fan interests if they had somewhere that TFC ssh felt they belonged....
I'd do that if I were them. Something like they have in K.C or in Charleston. A pub eatery thing.

nfitz
11-18-2014, 12:14 PM
It would ease their traffic burden and improve their dollar per fan interests if they had somewhere that TFC ssh felt they belonged....With over 15,000 season ticket holders though, how does one accomplish this? The pre-game bar on the north side seems like the only feasible option.

Pookie
11-18-2014, 12:35 PM
Shame about the entry level hike but I wouldn't expect to come back to seasons at the price I left at either.


Why is this an assumption?

Why should new fans pay more than "old" fans and why on earth would that be considered fair?

The guy who moves here to Toronto and wants to be a part of this? The student that just graduated? Someone whose kids are now into soccer and are at the point of adopting a team?

Absolutely... single game buyers should pay more than season ticket holders, who by nature buy tickets up front and in bulk and should be entitled to a discount. For the life of me, outside of somewhat of a self serving financial benefit for long standing season ticket holders, I can't see how anyone justifies this pricing tier between new and old fans. (Just as I can't understand why they would exclude "Traditional Seat Holders" from "Exclusive VIP Events").

Canary10
11-18-2014, 12:39 PM
Why is this an assumption?

Why should new fans pay more than "old" fans and why on earth would that be considered fair?

The guy who moves here to Toronto and wants to be a part of this? The student that just graduated? Someone whose kids are now into soccer and are at the point of adopting a team?

Absolutely... single game buyers should pay more than season ticket holders, who by nature buy tickets up front and in bulk and should be entitled to a discount. For the life of me, outside of somewhat of a self serving financial benefit for long standing season ticket holders, I can't see how anyone justifies this pricing tier between new and old fans. (Just as I can't understand why they would exclude "Traditional Seat Holders" from "Exclusive VIP Events").

There are lots of reasons why they would do that. You probably don't agree with them, but it's easy to list reasons. Starting with rewarding loyalty.

Still Kicking
11-18-2014, 12:42 PM
With over 15,000 season ticket holders though, how does one accomplish this? The pre-game bar on the north side seems like the only feasible option.

I would say it could easily be accomplished. First whittle down your ssh number - some existing ones will have access to the Rogers Club, the Tunnel Club, the Eastside and the Directors. Fans in the boxes are going to represent some more season seats, somehow I doubt that they are looking to belong somewhere...but what do I know?
So the number of season seat holders wanting to eat before or after a game would not be the entire 15k
Limit each season seat holder to two visits a year, one pre and one post. Charge them 50 bucks a year each for the privilege- and throw in a free drink. If you had a restaurant that had a capacity for 500 - remember I am suggesting a restaurant that does not have a view of the field- and you have 16-20 home games - you will cover your ssh base over the season. Now I know that the CNE is looking to develop the strip of land south of the stadium and north of the Lakeshore. Also the hotel is coming along just sw of the stadium. So my idea is not restricted to within the stadium...

leafsman
11-18-2014, 12:45 PM
renewed as you cant find cheaper entertainment at the price i am paying and its extremely easy to sell when i cant make it at that price point. I dont get their pricing policy, how do you grow the fan base by keeping people from being a SSH due to the ridiculous prices for a new seat holder.

Nuvinho
11-18-2014, 12:54 PM
So I got a call from my account rep after I said something about TFC going suits on twitter - they read our tweets!.

brad
11-18-2014, 12:59 PM
So I got a call from my account rep after I said something about TFC going suits on twitter - they read our tweets!.

And this board. Hi ticket reps, hope you are having a nice day :seeya:

Pookie
11-18-2014, 01:05 PM
There are lots of reasons why they would do that. You probably don't agree with them, but it's easy to list reasons. Starting with rewarding loyalty.

You reward loyalty by giving value for continued business. Other organizations in MLS will give you the option to commit to buying your tickets in bulk for multi-years. And for that, you get a further discount. The catch? EVERYONE gets that discount regardless of the year that they started buying tickets.

Or a "Loyalty Rewards Program" that gives you points for things like buying merchandise, extra tickets, etc. The catch? EVERYONE gets a Loyalty card regardless of the year that they started buying tickets.

The new graduating student hasn't even been given a chance to be "loyal." The guy who just moved hasn't been given that chance yet either. I can't think of a single MLS franchise that has two tiers in pricing for new and old season ticket holders. I might be wrong but the big guys (LA, New York) certainly don't.

And hey, let me put it on the table in that I benefited from that until the economics just didn't make sense for me and I opted out. I just don't see it as either fair or a logical strategy for a franchise that has been struggling with trust.

ryan
11-18-2014, 01:05 PM
Why is this an assumption?

Why should new fans pay more than "old" fans and why on earth would that be considered fair?

The guy who moves here to Toronto and wants to be a part of this? The student that just graduated? Someone whose kids are now into soccer and are at the point of adopting a team?

Absolutely... single game buyers should pay more than season ticket holders, who by nature buy tickets up front and in bulk and should be entitled to a discount. For the life of me, outside of somewhat of a self serving financial benefit for long standing season ticket holders, I can't see how anyone justifies this pricing tier between new and old fans. (Just as I can't understand why they would exclude "Traditional Seat Holders" from "Exclusive VIP Events").

It's a loyalty thing to reward us for putting up with their shit for so long.

They were eroding away their support quickly. Lost their waiting list, had a red flag for lack of renewals...they had to do something to stop the bleeding. It's not so much to stick to the new guys, but to stop losing the old. I understand the business approach to it.

Once the club becomes successful....sorry, IF the club becomes successful, I imagine the gap will close between new and old.

Pookie
11-18-2014, 01:22 PM
It's a loyalty thing to reward us for putting up with their shit for so long.

They were eroding away their support quickly. Lost their waiting list, had a red flag for lack of renewals...they had to do something to stop the bleeding. It's not so much to stick to the new guys, but to stop losing the old. I understand the business approach to it.

Sure. They had to lower prices for existing ticket holders. But why not offer that same price to new fans that are now interested in coming along for the ride?

There are plenty of other things that they could do to offer you value and reward your "loyalty." I've highlighted "value" and "loyalty" rewards other clubs… that participate in the same revenue shared league that we do… offer their long standing and new fans:

- up to 3 playoff/friendly games included at no additional charge
- An ability to exchange tickets for games you can't get to for extra seats to games that you can.
- Free or discounted parking.
- VIP lot parking.
- Food packages.
- A further discount for committing to buying for multiple seasons
- Loyalty rewards program
- Early stadium entry
- Discounts off youth soccer camps

I may be way off base here but I can't think of a single club that sets pricing for season tickets holders differently based on the year they started. If someone has that information, please share.

It is possible that someone that commits to 3 years up front under a multi-year plan pays a little less than the guy who is only in for one year but the base price of the ticket is the same for the season seat holder. Who by definition… not the year in which they purchase… is amongst the most "loyal" of all fans that will walk through the turnstile in any given year.

brad
11-18-2014, 01:23 PM
It's a loyalty thing to reward us for putting up with their shit for so long.

They were eroding away their support quickly. Lost their waiting list, had a red flag for lack of renewals...they had to do something to stop the bleeding. It's not so much to stick to the new guys, but to stop losing the old. I understand the business approach to it.

Once the club becomes successful....sorry, IF the club becomes successful, I imagine the gap will close between new and old.

The bolded part is the true reason (obviously), it has nothing to do with loyalty.

From a loyalty perspective, it makes little sense the way it was implemented. The person that became an SSH the year the rolled back tickets gets the same price as the person that has stuck with the team since day one.

I'm not sure it makes sense from a business perspective though. Not the bit about lower prices for long time SSH's, that is fair (if done in a smarter way), but setting the price of to entry so high for new SSH's. Demand is low demand is and they are adding another 8500 seats. Setting prices high makes little to no sense to me, unless they simply don't want to lower the price point for when/if the team does become successful, and they are willing to take the hit until then.

Phil
11-18-2014, 01:31 PM
In what world is it justified that winning = charge the hell out of your fans for the base product? That is what I read directly from them now.

The model should work this way - keep tickts affordable for the regular season. Then when you team is winning charge for the *playoff* tickets and enjoy the good cash that comes in from the gate, jerseys and food/bev.

Right now they have set themselves up for disaster - first time we make post season then the hike is on, what happens if that post season is just a blip? Will they stand by the model and drop prices?

I love that my tickets are remaining affordable but the real test is how much they pile onto the seasons ticket holders when and if things turn around.

Richard
11-18-2014, 01:42 PM
^^^^
Welcome to Toronto where fans willingly pay exorbitant prices for terrible sports products, aka Maple Leafs syndrome.

ryan
11-18-2014, 01:43 PM
I may be way off base here but I can't think of a single club that sets pricing for season tickets holders differently based on the year they started. If someone has that information, please share.


I think you need to compare apples to apples. TFC's scenario is unique. It's failures from day one are unprecedented.

You disagree with how the club decided to throw a bone to it's long serving membership, so be it. So it's not the best route they could have taken, when does MLSE make the right decisions with this stuff anyways? Point is, they still made one and it works for me.

As for your list:

- up to 3 playoff/friendly games included at no additional charge (I think it would insulting to offer playoff tickets to this fanbase, really stupid actually, could imagine the media firestorm...)
- An ability to exchange tickets for games you can't get to for extra seats to games that you can. (This is counter productive to their own ticket exchange system, why work against themselves?)
- Free or discounted parking. (There's not enough parking, instead they offer incentive to use transit so they already have operations in getting us there)
- VIP lot parking. (Again, space is an issue)
- Food packages. (They don't make much off food sales to begin with (based on the 2012 report I recall it being about a quarter million annually))
- A further discount for committing to buying for multiple seasons (I do like this suggestion, then again this team spent a mega fuck ton on players, they need results to justify recouping that expense (by charging more for tickets). This may not be built into the recent spending.)
- Loyalty rewards program (I guess if you want some BMO bucks or something, sure.)
- Early stadium entry (We get in early enough as is IMO, making this earlier would be quite expensive (security/cops are not cheap))
- Discounts off youth soccer camps (Don't think this applies to many, but sure)



At the end of the day, while you read these forums and some guys are pissy about having to pay more....lets just remember that Toronto is still a rather wealthy/trendy city when it comes to the 25-35 year olds. If there's reason to be at BMO, they will fill it at the prices they are setting. They are a business first after all.

ryan
11-18-2014, 01:47 PM
^^^^
Welcome to Toronto where fans willingly pay exorbitant prices for terrible sports products, aka Maple Leafs syndrome.

Fans don't really pay those prices, elites do. Leaf games don't have a large amount of Leaf fans at them. The previous game on Buffalo is always a highlight of that, where tickets are in some case 1/3 the price. (You can sit along the glass at HSBC for about $120 IIRC). That game was lined with Leafs fans from top to bottom. Leaf fans can't afford to go to the ACC much, if at all. They don't drive that market, the suits do.

ensco
11-18-2014, 01:51 PM
BMO is going to be empty by design. Oh well.

Richard
11-18-2014, 01:55 PM
Fans don't really pay those prices, elites do. Leaf games don't have a large amount of Leaf fans at them. The previous game on Buffalo is always a highlight of that, where tickets are in some case 1/3 the price. (You can sit along the glass at HSBC for about $120 IIRC). That game was lined with Leafs fans from top to bottom. Leaf fans can't afford to go to the ACC much, if at all. They don't drive that market, the suits do.

Yes you're right. Silly me haha.

JonO
11-18-2014, 01:56 PM
Fans don't really pay those prices, elites do.Going to make a quick comment on this because I hate generalizations. I know quite a few fans who sit in the "elites" section. I am also not sure how you would make the distinction between fans and elites (true fans cannot be wealthy?) Admittedly there are a lot of suits conducting business, but that does not make everyone there not a "fan".

JonO
11-18-2014, 01:58 PM
BMO is going to be empty by design. Oh well.
Yup. Don't get the pricing model. I know that if I cannot make a game, the only way I can get rid of my tickets (reds) is to give them away. Does MLSE really think there are so many people looking for expensive TFC seats? Time till tell, I guess...

FRANKIE65
11-18-2014, 02:25 PM
In what world is it justified that winning = charge the hell out of your fans for the base product? That is what I read directly from them now.

The model should work this way - keep tickts affordable for the regular season. Then when you team is winning charge for the *playoff* tickets and enjoy the good cash that comes in from the gate, jerseys and food/bev.

Right now they have set themselves up for disaster - first time we make post season then the hike is on, what happens if that post season is just a blip? Will they stand by the model and drop prices?

I love that my tickets are remaining affordable but the real test is how much they pile onto the seasons ticket holders when and if things turn around.

I believe, Phil, they are setting themselves up for a disaster. MANY of the people on this forum continue to renew because they are paying less than $20 a seat, actually more like $10, bump that up to $40 and you will definitely have supporters unable to afford seasons. The entry level seasons prices, also, have me shaking my head. WAAAAAAAAAY too much disparity in pricing from "cheap" seating to mid-level, and, ridiculous level. If the team has a winning season, or two, they seem to think they can charge "Leaf type" prices for seats....they are in for a very rude awakening.

Canary10
11-18-2014, 02:34 PM
You reward loyalty by giving value for continued business. Other organizations in MLS will give you the option to commit to buying your tickets in bulk for multi-years. And for that, you get a further discount. The catch? EVERYONE gets that discount regardless of the year that they started buying tickets.

Or a "Loyalty Rewards Program" that gives you points for things like buying merchandise, extra tickets, etc. The catch? EVERYONE gets a Loyalty card regardless of the year that they started buying tickets.

The new graduating student hasn't even been given a chance to be "loyal." The guy who just moved hasn't been given that chance yet either. I can't think of a single MLS franchise that has two tiers in pricing for new and old season ticket holders. I might be wrong but the big guys (LA, New York) certainly don't.

And hey, let me put it on the table in that I benefited from that until the economics just didn't make sense for me and I opted out. I just don't see it as either fair or a logical strategy for a franchise that has been struggling with trust.

Again, you don't agree but the reasons are pretty obvious.

arsenal
11-18-2014, 02:47 PM
You reward loyalty by giving value for continued business. Other organizations in MLS will give you the option to commit to buying your tickets in bulk for multi-years. And for that, you get a further discount. The catch? EVERYONE gets that discount regardless of the year that they started buying tickets.

Or a "Loyalty Rewards Program" that gives you points for things like buying merchandise, extra tickets, etc. The catch? EVERYONE gets a Loyalty card regardless of the year that they started buying tickets.

The new graduating student hasn't even been given a chance to be "loyal." The guy who just moved hasn't been given that chance yet either. I can't think of a single MLS franchise that has two tiers in pricing for new and old season ticket holders. I might be wrong but the big guys (LA, New York) certainly don't.

And hey, let me put it on the table in that I benefited from that until the economics just didn't make sense for me and I opted out. I just don't see it as either fair or a logical strategy for a franchise that has been struggling with trust.

Seattle does it ..... different renewal prices based on the year you bought season tickets

http://www.soundersfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-members/seating-chart

Fort York Redcoat
11-18-2014, 02:52 PM
Why is this an assumption?

Why should new fans pay more than "old" fans and why on earth would that be considered fair?

The guy who moves here to Toronto and wants to be a part of this? The student that just graduated? Someone whose kids are now into soccer and are at the point of adopting a team?

Absolutely... single game buyers should pay more than season ticket holders, who by nature buy tickets up front and in bulk and should be entitled to a discount. For the life of me, outside of somewhat of a self serving financial benefit for long standing season ticket holders, I can't see how anyone justifies this pricing tier between new and old fans. (Just as I can't understand why they would exclude "Traditional Seat Holders" from "Exclusive VIP Events").

Why should old fans, loyal fans, people that haven't let their tickets go, pay as much as a new fan? It's a benefit of renewing.

You are listing some great loyalty perks but most I don't care about. If I'm not going to use them I would want ( and some other sth renewing go ahead and let me know if they disagree with me) to know that I was being rewarded by coming back, or continuing instead of just letting my tickets go and picking them up some other year for the same price.

But I'm pretty sure we're opining from different sides of a fence, no?

Canary10
11-18-2014, 02:52 PM
My gym membership has a cheaper rate than someone coming in new because I've been there for 10 years. And they still get graduating university students getting new memberships.

Pookie
11-18-2014, 04:26 PM
Again, you don't agree but the reasons are pretty obvious.

And what are those?

Pookie
11-18-2014, 04:49 PM
Seattle does it ..... different renewal prices based on the year you bought season tickets

http://www.soundersfc.com/tickets/season-ticket-members/seating-chart

Nice find. Thanks for sharing

Pookie
11-18-2014, 04:53 PM
Why should old fans, loyal fans, people that haven't let their tickets go, pay as much as a new fan?

Well, do you like people in your section or for it to be empty? ;)

JayMolly
11-18-2014, 05:15 PM
I just renewed my tix... Same price as last year - and the jump after Dec.15th is significant...

Might as well get it out of the way before I forget LOL

^
We agree and just renewed too.

brad
11-18-2014, 05:40 PM
Discounted ticket prices for long term SSH is fine. Gouging new SSH's and not making inventory of lower priced seats available is the problem. Especially when 8500 new seats are being added.

Lets not confuse the two.

KGH
11-18-2014, 05:53 PM
I just renewed my tix... Same price as last year - and the jump after Dec.15th is significant...

Might as well get it out of the way before I forget LOL

This guy as well. I might be part of the minority but I'm looking to increase the # of my seats from 2 to 4.

Auzzy
11-18-2014, 07:09 PM
Discounted ticket prices for long term SSH is fine. Gouging new SSH's and not making inventory of lower priced seats available is the problem. Especially when 8500 new seats are being added.

Lets not confuse the two.

Agreed very much. They could at least have some decently-priced seats available, which would also be an incentive for new SSH's to commit early.

With the the increased stadium size, and high prices for many of the sections, especially for newbies, there's another issue for me. It further pushes the short-term "win now" thinking that this club has been prone to since the beginning. Not that they shouldn't be "winning now" but not at the expense of long-term building & success as per usual with this club.

And the high prices increase the likelihood of overall grumpiness & ridicule if & when things go south again.

BTW how bad is the value of the North End going to be, if all the other sections get a roof next year but the north end doesn't?!

Offside goal
11-18-2014, 07:09 PM
Included in my renewal email - (to their credit, they did call a week or two ago to warn me about it....)





As a result of the BMO Field expansion and building upgrades, your seat(s) will no longer be physically located in the exact same area as last season. You will notice that your season seat renewal invoice contains a fully refundable deposit based on your season ticket price last season. In renewing your season seats by paying that deposit, you will receive priority access to select your new seats for 2015 before the general Season Seat Holder relocation period. Further details on this will be communicated to you by your service representative in January 2015.

BuSaPuNk
11-18-2014, 07:11 PM
Discounted ticket prices for long term SSH is fine. Gouging new SSH's and not making inventory of lower priced seats available is the problem. Especially when 8500 new seats are being added.

Lets not confuse the two.

Bingo. There should be a discount for renewals or in this case a freeze of prices.

However the pricing structure and the creation of another tier of pricing is just mind blowing. I know there's 8k more seats coming in but did you really have to make a whole new price level?

Why is there now 4-5 different price levels in the east stand? Makes no sense. Keep it at three. A lower, a middle, and the higher end seats. Just seems so easy and thefe finding ways to make it so convoluted.

arsenal
11-18-2014, 07:13 PM
Discounted ticket prices for long term SSH is fine. Gouging new SSH's and not making inventory of lower priced seats available is the problem. Especially when 8500 new seats are being added.

Lets not confuse the two.

This should be the issue. But I can not say that it is really surprising that it appears they are holding back the lowest priced seats. Each season progressively more and more STH have moved from higher priced seats to the cheaper sections. I do not believe that most fans feel they are getting more value for dollar spent in the more expensive sections (with the exception of the most expensive midfield seats which were always coveted at the early relocation appointment by a select few fans). So MLSE is left with a STH base concentrated in the least expensive seats possible while being forced to try to sell more expensive single game seats.

They likely planned to move the price point up significantly in the cheapest sections for ST's but the massive failure of the playoff promise has forced them to put that on hold for another season (hence the massive price increase posted in the prices for new STH in those sections that are not even available). If they opened up the cheapest seats for new STH (and subsequent relocation event for renewals) the migration out of medium grey/blues would likely continue. I am sure if they had it all to do over again they would have held back more inventory in the yellow/light grey from STH to use for single game seats from the beginning.

InDa_110
11-18-2014, 08:15 PM
Included in my renewal email - (to their credit, they did call a week or two ago to warn me about it....)





As a result of the BMO Field expansion and building upgrades, your seat(s) will no longer be physically located in the exact same area as last season. You will notice that your season seat renewal invoice contains a fully refundable deposit based on your season ticket price last season. In renewing your season seats by paying that deposit, you will receive priority access to select your new seats for 2015 before the general Season Seat Holder relocation period. Further details on this will be communicated to you by your service representative in January 2015.








Everyone who's seats are being expropriated got this. It is affecting 90 - 100 accounts. (Accounts, not seats!! for example between me my friend next to me, and my friend behind me, we are 3 accounts and 8 seats). Our relocation happens the same way the normal one does, he who has been here the longest -picks first. Light grey, yellow and black are not completely sold out, as per what the website says, those are seats being held for our relocation, and the subsequent normal one, should any be left over.

They have also said they will try and accommodate us with our neighbours for the past 8 years. In particular up in 110 we have become very good friends with the people who sit near us. Interesting to see how that will work if for example I am number 2 on the list of 90 - 100 accounts, and my neighbour is number 75...


I have spoken with my rep, probably a half dozen times in the last 2 weeks, and to be honest, I think he's handling it as best as possible. Many of us are really not happy at all that our seats of 8 years are gone, and I'm sure there was more than a few people giving him a lot of shit over the phone the past 2 weeks, but he has been straight forward, not over promised that I will be right back in the vicinity of my old location, been honest, and so far has been accurate on all the heads up about what and how it has all transpired the last 2 weeks. He didn't make the decisions, but he's doing a good job implementing them to us.

That being said, I watch the youtube video they have on the website about the new clubs and such, and my first reaction is that the people who did make these decision are fucken dreaming. It'll be the "new thing" in town for a little while, and many people will come check it out, and there are people with a lot of money in this city who enjoy a nice bar and an up-scale lunch, but it will wear off very quickly. Especially, if we remain one of the shittiest teams in one of the shittiest leagues on earth. If Tim L thinks a canopy and a couple of over priced bar and restaurants is going to solve all of TFC's problems, he should look no further than the Rogers Centre. When that novelty wore off, and the jays really sucked for a long while, windows restaurant closed and attendance on many nights was less that 15,000! And oh btw, at least the Jays won 2 championships, the roof actually closes completely, and even though the Jays were horrible at least they played in the best baseball league in the world!

Lastly, I find it really interesting, and have for many years that every time TFC FO wants to run a commercial, or their little mini series, RBP and other supporters groups in the stands get sometimes more air time than the players! (Is this a deal you guys worked out with them?? I dunno...) Anyhow, the commercials for the "new BMO" are the same with a lot of time showing supporters sections in the stands. Interesting how they don't show the painfully boring snooze show that is life sitting in those expensive red, light red, and dark grey sections, which at the end of the day is the target market for these Martini clubs they built all over the stadium, which does not at all cater to the supporters groups who they advertise front and centre as part of the game day experience. I guess they do it because they can get away with it. How many SSH or RPB's do you know that are not coming back? less than 10 percent? Less than 5 per cent? We come back year after year, no matter how shit the whole team and FO are, they bank on that, and try to sell this trendy ambiance to big spenders, while basically telling us who have been here from day one in our less than 15 dollar a game seats, once we make the play-offs and don't need you any more, bend over and prepare to be sodomized...

Best thing that can happen, for the from day one in 2007 - fucken right I threw smoke bombs in Columbus back in '09 - long term real fan is maybe another losing year...

On that note, some memories of what the original supporters were like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6zFCl9SmN0

Which pretentious club level bar is for us again? lol

ensco
11-18-2014, 08:18 PM
Playoffs aren't enough to change the new reality. This is not complicated anymore. We're just like a bunch of other MLS teams now, no better, no worse.

This team sold out the first 10 games because of Defoe, so they can do that again anytime they spend $40M on a player.

Apart from that, they will have the same 15K at every game, unless they stink, and it'll drop to 10K. I kind of get why the keep the prices up, I am not sure it matters any more.

Getting the base to grow will be very tough now, probably impossible. Winning will mean more fans, sure, but they'll fall away the second the team isn't winning, which isn't what should have happened.

But no point spending time thinking about what might have been, it's long gone, I suppose.

cmonyoureds
11-18-2014, 08:53 PM
I just don't get it.
As a former ticket holder I did have some interest in "coming back to the fold" this year based on extra seats and hopefully a lower price point.
Now I see they've held back the cheapie's, bringing back all the original emotions that caused me to drop my seats.

Once again, screw em. I'll go on roadtrips again this year and spend my $$ in other buildings.

jazzy
11-18-2014, 09:05 PM
The way pricing is being implemented with higher pricing I'm fearing another mental cramp of we'll simply sign another big name #failure,...and fill those seats instead of building a real "team"...

prizby
11-18-2014, 09:06 PM
In what world is it justified that winning = charge the hell out of your fans for the base product? That is what I read directly from them now.

The model should work this way - keep tickts affordable for the regular season. Then when you team is winning charge for the *playoff* tickets and enjoy the good cash that comes in from the gate, jerseys and food/bev.

Right now they have set themselves up for disaster - first time we make post season then the hike is on, what happens if that post season is just a blip? Will they stand by the model and drop prices?

I love that my tickets are remaining affordable but the real test is how much they pile onto the seasons ticket holders when and if things turn around.

they don't seem to understand the model that the more ppl you get into their seats, the better you'll do on concessions (which they make a killing on)

Pookie
11-18-2014, 09:17 PM
they don't seem to understand the model that the more ppl you get into their seats, the better you'll do on concessions (which they make a killing on)

Actually they don't really make a killing on it. They only keep 25% of gross food and beverage sales according to the current BMO management agreement.

That said, even 25% of extremely marked up prices isn't all bad.

sidvan
11-18-2014, 09:23 PM
^
We agree and just renewed too.
Ditto - re-upped again. Sucker for punishment...at the lowest price

MightyDM
11-18-2014, 10:32 PM
^^^ with the way the club treats the other soccer teams in Southern Ontario, I expect those seats to be empty. If you plunk down those tickets to youth soccer on a night where the OSA makes it OK for the kids to come, then they take them.

TFC games would interfere with most tournaments (weekends) and practice times. As a result most pass, or take them and don't show up. Also mix in the ewww factor that its TFC and people don't want to watch a loosing team - it could be a while before there is any real demand. This whole renewal and expansion feels like lipstick on a pig.

I will stick with it, but its clear that TFC missing the playoffs threw a pretty major monkey wrench into MLSE's plan.

I dunno Phil, my sons team was thrilled to go to a game. I think you might be off base a bit here.

Fort York Redcoat
11-19-2014, 08:42 AM
I dunno Phil, my sons team was thrilled to go to a game. I think you might be off base a bit here.

Not to belittle your study case of 1 - Youth clubs have been approached in different capacities over the years and the clubs (Canada and TFC) have been rebuffed.

I'm happy your sons and other teams enjoy the matches but the numbers out there that have been approached compared to takers has been disappointing.

Here's hoping your example means a change. We'd all like that.

Fort York Redcoat
11-19-2014, 08:46 AM
Again, you don't agree but the reasons are pretty obvious.


And what are those?

Are you asking him personally what his reasons are? Because you should know why, in general, people get seasons. You had them.

Phil
11-19-2014, 08:51 AM
I dunno Phil, my sons team was thrilled to go to a game. I think you might be off base a bit here.

The kids for sure.

Its on that political level of coaches that resent the team and think MLS is a bad product. I catch a lot of wind on that front.

lintberg
11-19-2014, 08:52 AM
Renewed my seats at the top of 110!

razor787
11-19-2014, 09:10 AM
I currently have seasons in the top of 111. How am I able to move either into 112, or down into the lower part of 111? My ticket rep was unsure of the process.

Brooker
11-19-2014, 09:13 AM
What the hell does your ticket rep actually do then? Just ask for money? Lol.

Canary10
11-19-2014, 09:25 AM
Are you asking him personally what his reasons are? Because you should know why, in general, people get seasons. You had them.

Not playing this game with him anymore.

razor787
11-19-2014, 09:27 AM
You mean they actually do more than that:drum:

The guy seemed really unsure of himself. Got told two different things within a couple minutes lol. I want to make sure I am in contention for a 112 move.

MightyDM
11-19-2014, 09:29 AM
Not to belittle your study case of 1 - Youth clubs have been approached in different capacities over the years and the clubs (Canada and TFC) have been rebuffed.

I'm happy your sons and other teams enjoy the matches but the numbers out there that have been approached compared to takers has been disappointing.

Here's hoping your example means a change. We'd all like that.

Yes, so I hear. I suspect it's the adults in charge, not the kids. Every team in my sons league went, I think two years ago, and they all loved it - but the league actually offered it to the kids. I suspect the league or club saying no may be the issue. Sure ran into some difficult people over the years in youth soccer who didn't put kids first.

MightyDM
11-19-2014, 09:32 AM
The kids for sure.

Its on that political level of coaches that resent the team and think MLS is a bad product. I catch a lot of wind on that front.

yes, that sounds likely. One team my son played for told their best player he wasn't welcome back unless he trained in the winter. He was a triple A hockey goalie, I mean come on guys, this isn't Barcelona. Lost the player and for what. ( it wasn't that coach who took them to TFC)

nascarguy
11-19-2014, 11:01 AM
I'm going to wait in till after dec to renew and now there is no point of even using my Toronto fc mastercard if it was for it being a airmiles card I would cancel it. I only sign up to it for the free jersey

my season ticket are $266 for 114 plus about $347.83 for gotrain for the season tfc if your reading this your not the only football team I have season ticket for next year.

Ben - D.O.W.
11-19-2014, 11:07 AM
So I was renewing my seats (yeah, yeah - I'm a sucker) and in my account manager and randomly my seats were moved from 111/row 21/seats 10-11 to 111/row 21/seats 4-5 so I emailed my rep wondering why they'd bother to move me. Here's what I got:

"Your seats are actually the same, it is just the seat numbers that have changed. There was some alteration to your section with the expansion, however your seats were not affected. They are also closer to the aisle as the aisle seat would be seat 1."

Did we already know the aisle might be moving between 110/111? Or is my rep just completely full of it?

bones
11-19-2014, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know how renewing to lock in at the low price for this year, then moving to some of the new seats affects the cost of the new seats?

Captain
11-19-2014, 12:40 PM
I currently have a pair of medium greys at $684 per seat. I would love to move to dark greys but the jump in price is crazy. Were they ever cheaper than $950 per seat?

brad
11-19-2014, 12:57 PM
I currently have a pair of medium greys at $684 per seat. I would love to move to dark greys but the jump in price is crazy. Were they ever cheaper than $950 per seat?

They were $760 in the first year.

ryan
11-19-2014, 01:00 PM
I currently have seasons in the top of 111. How am I able to move either into 112, or down into the lower part of 111? My ticket rep was unsure of the process.

There will be a thread in the members section.

Detroit_TFC
11-19-2014, 01:15 PM
Does anyone know how renewing to lock in at the low price for this year, then moving to some of the new seats affects the cost of the new seats?

You mean new seats as in seats that didn't exist before 2015 new? I doubt there is a rate set for those seats below the rate chart they just released.

Cashcleaner
11-19-2014, 02:21 PM
So now there's really no point to use my BMO Mastercard from what I can tell. I think the chances of winning my season seat is extremely unlikely (probably one a few thousand or so), so is it worth putting it on another credit card? Glad to see prices stay the same, though. To be honest, I'm not surprised they froze them. The optics would have looked fucking TERRIBLE if they raised them after another year without playoffs. I think that's likely a bit of Lieweke's doing.

FRANKIE65
11-19-2014, 02:59 PM
So I was renewing my seats (yeah, yeah - I'm a sucker) and in my account manager and randomly my seats were moved from 111/row 21/seats 10-11 to 111/row 21/seats 4-5 so I emailed my rep wondering why they'd bother to move me. Here's what I got:

"Your seats are actually the same, it is just the seat numbers that have changed. There was some alteration to your section with the expansion, however your seats were not affected. They are also closer to the aisle as the aisle seat would be seat 1."

Did we already know the aisle might be moving between 110/111? Or is my rep just completely full of it?

Wouldn't call you a sucker at the renewal price!
I, on the other hand, would probably be considered one. Signed up for two medium greys at $684 a piece today. Something I wished I'd done a few years back, to avoid some of the gouging now. Anyways the better half and I will be supporting from up there (section 221) unless I find a more desirable relocation in February.
Between the cost of the seats, gas from Woodstock to Oakville, and Go train to BMO....hey, TFC is my club.

Carts
11-19-2014, 03:05 PM
So I was renewing my seats (yeah, yeah - I'm a sucker) and in my account manager and randomly my seats were moved from 111/row 21/seats 10-11 to 111/row 21/seats 4-5 so I emailed my rep wondering why they'd bother to move me. Here's what I got:

"Your seats are actually the same, it is just the seat numbers that have changed. There was some alteration to your section with the expansion, however your seats were not affected. They are also closer to the aisle as the aisle seat would be seat 1."

Did we already know the aisle might be moving between 110/111? Or is my rep just completely full of it?

We knew there would be some aisle movement as there is added entrances to the seating area (an 'upper entrance' if you will') which is what is causing the aisle shift, and some seats to no longer exist at all...

Carts
11-19-2014, 03:06 PM
So now there's really no point to use my BMO Mastercard from what I can tell. I think the chances of winning my season seat is extremely unlikely (probably one a few thousand or so), so is it worth putting it on another credit card? Glad to see prices stay the same, though. To be honest, I'm not surprised they froze them. The optics would have looked fucking TERRIBLE if they raised them after another year without playoffs. I think that's likely a bit of Lieweke's doing.

I would say; renew with their card, get into the draw - balance transfer to a card with better interest rate...

Chance at winning, pay lower interest...

(This only applies if your other card doesn't charge for balance transfers etc)...

Carts...

Yagbod
11-19-2014, 03:57 PM
My seats in 114 shifted over two spots. No response from my rep. I was on a railing and I don't think they are building the south end extension yet so I can't imagine why they shifted me.

lobo
11-19-2014, 04:54 PM
renewed in top of 110 ... i wonder how the prawn sandwich brigade sitting in the expensive leather loge seats are going to like us standing, singing, drumming, cursing, and flag waving right below them? i have a bad feeling about the future supporter section status of top of 110 and 111

http://i62.tinypic.com/25s9csj.png

OgtheDim
11-19-2014, 05:31 PM
Signed up for two medium greys at $684 a piece today. ...

Welcome to the bland zone that is us in the medium grey.

tictoc
11-19-2014, 05:51 PM
I plan on making 'friends' every week with whoever is sitting there. That way they won't complain!


renewed in top of 110 ... i wonder how the prawn sandwich brigade sitting in the expensive leather loge seats are going to like us standing, singing, drumming, cursing, and flag waving right below them? i have a bad feeling about the future supporter section status of top of 110 and 111

http://i62.tinypic.com/25s9csj.png

FRANKIE65
11-19-2014, 06:28 PM
Welcome to the bland zone that is us in the medium grey.

LOL, thanks. Guess the only standing we'll be doing is during anthems and after goals. One good thing about that area is the view for watching plays develop.

Pookie
11-19-2014, 06:38 PM
Are you asking him personally what his reasons are? Because you should know why, in general, people get seasons. You had them.

No. He was stating that the reasons for introducing 2 (and now 3) tiers within the season ticket bases was obvious and I wouldn't agree. Loyalty was listed as one so I was asking what the others were.

OgtheDim
11-19-2014, 06:45 PM
LOL, thanks. Guess the only standing we'll be doing is during anthems and after goals. One good thing about that area is the view for watching plays develop.

I sit right on the edge of the penalty area.....wonderful place to watch attacks and defending. i also get the strong feeling that if the roof adds noise, things will get louder - there's a lot of potential energy in there right now going into grumbling.

Flyboy
11-19-2014, 08:25 PM
Hey Frankie 65, I'm from Woodstock too and I'm a bigger sucker than you as I just bought two dark greys at 950 a pop! I'm at 108 just at the top of the maple leaf, nice to see other Woodstonians representing!

reggie
11-19-2014, 08:50 PM
im back....5 tickets at 950 a pop....but im not a sucker,i love going to the game win or lose,one day we will win..:scarf:

Suds
11-19-2014, 09:28 PM
My annual post to piss and moan about how MLSE takes us for granted and only sees us a wallets to extract money from ...

before I go renew my ticket.

FRANKIE65
11-19-2014, 09:32 PM
I sit right on the edge of the penalty area.....wonderful place to watch attacks and defending. i also get the strong feeling that if the roof adds noise, things will get louder - there's a lot of potential energy in there right now going into grumbling.

Good stuff!


Hey Frankie 65, I'm from Woodstock too and I'm a bigger sucker than you as I just bought two dark greys at 950 a pop! I'm at 108 just at the top of the maple leaf, nice to see other Woodstonians representing!

Awesome, enjoy! There's a few of us out "west"


im back....5 tickets at 950 a pop....but im not a sucker,i love going to the game win or lose,one day we will win..:scarf:

Yeah love for the game is what it's all about. Just wish MLSE didn't gouge so much.

Pinkie
11-20-2014, 08:48 AM
My annual post to piss and moan about how MLSE takes us for granted and only sees us a wallets to extract money from ...

before I go renew my ticket.

Pretty much this. sigh. every year I swear I'm done with this club, then BAM. like a sucker I renew. but at a little over $200 a season ticket it's still affordable...for now...

ryan
11-20-2014, 10:43 AM
Pretty much this. sigh. every year I swear I'm done with this club, then BAM. like a sucker I renew. but at a little over $200 a season ticket it's still affordable...for now...

Agreed. I've pissed away (and will piss again) $200 and change on far worse than TFC tickets.

But if they start asking for twice that, which I'm sure they will once we finish 5th and go one and done....we're going to have a problem.

ironcub14
11-20-2014, 12:02 PM
Just moved to the city this year from Ottawa, so I got my season tickets for the first time on Tuesday. I have to say though I was pretty pissed to see that pricing chart was showing sold out for all of light grey and yellow on Monday, after waiting all year for this. Those of you who got season tickets last year or two years ago, was this the case for you as well? I did get a medium grey in 110 and am stoked about it, though it definitely was double the price what I've been expecting all year.

I do understand that it seems people have to wait a year or two to get into 112, and I saw the RPB relocation thread from last year, but I'm hoping to at least be able to relocate in February to at least a light grey at 110 or 111, or a yellow anywhere, and save $300+. Those who got season tickets last year, does this sound like a familiar process to you? Cheers.

bones
11-20-2014, 12:02 PM
You mean new seats as in seats that didn't exist before 2015 new? I doubt there is a rate set for those seats below the rate chart they just released.

The only sections I see where that applies is the new "black" and "white" sections. All other sections have tickets with a price set based on something that has a "loyalty" price vs "new" price (early bird or not!).

Here's an example: I'm in the south end, paid $190 per seat to lock in. Seat relocation time comes, and I find a pair of good seats in the medium grey area (existing or new upper west side, medium grey is medium grey right?) I'm a loyal TFC since day 1 season ticket owner so is my season ticket price going to be the loyal price for light grey($475) or do they nail me with full pop $684/$760 (early bird, late bird price)?

Just wondering if anyone knows.

ryan
11-20-2014, 12:21 PM
Just moved to the city this year from Ottawa, so I got my season tickets for the first time on Tuesday. I have to say though I was pretty pissed to see that pricing chart was showing sold out for all of light grey and yellow on Monday, after waiting all year for this. Those of you who got season tickets last year or two years ago, was this the case for you as well? I did get a medium grey in 110 and am stoked about it, though it definitely was double the price what I've been expecting all year.

I do understand that it seems people have to wait a year or two to get into 112, and I saw the RPB relocation thread from last year, but I'm hoping to at least be able to relocate in February to at least a light grey at 110 or 111, or a yellow anywhere, and save $300+. Those who got season tickets last year, does this sound like a familiar process to you? Cheers.

I started in Med Gray 6 years ago. Took one year to get into Light Grey and that's where I've remained so far. Only about $30 difference for me between that and Yellows so I don't mind as much. But yeah, start wherever, it shouldn't take more than a season to move into the much better priced light grey seats.

leafsman
11-20-2014, 12:33 PM
The only sections I see where that applies is the new "black" and "white" sections. All other sections have tickets with a price set based on something that has a "loyalty" price vs "new" price (early bird or not!).

Here's an example: I'm in the south end, paid $190 per seat to lock in. Seat relocation time comes, and I find a pair of good seats in the medium grey area (existing or new upper west side, medium grey is medium grey right?) I'm a loyal TFC since day 1 season ticket owner so is my season ticket price going to be the loyal price for light grey($475) or do they nail me with full pop $684/$760 (early bird, late bird price)?

Just wondering if anyone knows.


when i moved from the north to the south 2 seasons ago i got the early bird loyalty price of 190.

ironcub14
11-20-2014, 12:54 PM
I started in Med Gray 6 years ago. Took one year to get into Light Grey and that's where I've remained so far. Only about $30 difference for me between that and Yellows so I don't mind as much. But yeah, start wherever, it shouldn't take more than a season to move into the much better priced light grey seats.

Beauty, thanks~

ironcub14
11-20-2014, 01:00 PM
I just scanned through the TFC reddit, and this was nice to read. Commenter says he's a ticket rep...

"The relocation will be in February. The locations we are on sale with right now were either available last year or in the new areas. All of the Supporters and Light greys are being held for relocation."

http://www.reddit.com/r/tfc/comments/2mpx0f/question_season_seats_deposits/

Eastend
11-20-2014, 08:39 PM
Looks like my seat numbers in 114 shifted also. I am in row 6 which is the first row on the railing where I am on the 115 side. Hopefully my row is still the first on the railing. Won't be happy if it isn't.

Dom

InDa_110
11-20-2014, 08:40 PM
[QUOTE=lobo;1705847]renewed in top of 110 ... i wonder how the prawn sandwich brigade sitting in the expensive leather loge seats are going to like us standing, singing, drumming, cursing, and flag waving right below them? i have a bad feeling about the future supporter section status of top of 110 and 111

http://i62.tinypic.com/25s9csj.png[/QUO


They won't care, because you won't be allowed to.

This is the future for the top half of 110:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoQZ0qmf-mk

tfcfan2011
11-21-2014, 11:39 AM
They won't care, because you won't be allowed to.

This is the future for the top half of 110:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoQZ0qmf-mk

This concerns me. I'm in upper 110, and I can't see the beautiful people of the private boxes enjoying our various hand signals and colourful outbursts. I would really hope that they would disclose a change before renewals - and I'm betting if they keep it the same this year, after a few complaints it will no longer be standing/naughty language/flags & drums next year.

And that video... Show all the supporters in the cheap seats revving it up, and then link that to the fancy new boxes and exclusive clubs that we'll never access.

An honest question: how many people of the 30,000 will access those areas?

Carts
11-21-2014, 11:42 AM
Looks like my seat numbers in 114 shifted also. I am in row 6 which is the first row on the railing where I am on the 115 side. Hopefully my row is still the first on the railing. Won't be happy if it isn't.

Dom

Because your seat has such a specific benefit to it (being the seats along that railing where the accessible cut out) I'd call your rep...

You have that seat because of that benefit - and should be able to keep it...

If someone in row 14 seat 7/8 moved to seat 9/10 it wouldn't really be an issue - but yours is a specific / special situation...

ryan
11-21-2014, 11:57 AM
I'm gonna miss the days when we had winds blowing to the East...so you could smoke joints in the back corner of 110 and nobody would notice. #1stWorldSupporterProblems

Fort York Redcoat
11-21-2014, 12:14 PM
This concerns me. I'm in upper 110, and I can't see the beautiful people of the private boxes enjoying our various hand signals and colourful outbursts. I would really hope that they would disclose a change before renewals - and I'm betting if they keep it the same this year, after a few complaints it will no longer be standing/naughty language/flags & drums next year.

And that video... Show all the supporters in the cheap seats revving it up, and then link that to the fancy new boxes and exclusive clubs that we'll never access.

An honest question: how many people of the 30,000 will access those areas?

Honest answer - up to 29,999. Because I have no interest in going there g:D. I'm sure they will make them exclusive until its no longer fashionable and then will use them as a benefit or perk to those who would be attracted to something such as that.

Roca
11-21-2014, 12:16 PM
I'm gonna miss the days when we had winds blowing to the East...so you could smoke joints in the back corner of 110 and nobody would notice. #1stWorldSupporterProblems

Vaporizer! :)

Detroit_TFC
11-21-2014, 02:44 PM
The only sections I see where that applies is the new "black" and "white" sections. All other sections have tickets with a price set based on something that has a "loyalty" price vs "new" price (early bird or not!).

Here's an example: I'm in the south end, paid $190 per seat to lock in. Seat relocation time comes, and I find a pair of good seats in the medium grey area (existing or new upper west side, medium grey is medium grey right?) I'm a loyal TFC since day 1 season ticket owner so is my season ticket price going to be the loyal price for light grey($475) or do they nail me with full pop $684/$760 (early bird, late bird price)?

Just wondering if anyone knows.

When I moved from 221 (original ST seat from 2007) to 115 last season I paid the 2007 price of $190 for the seat in 115.

Bdking2
11-21-2014, 03:46 PM
What are the renewal/loyalty prices for dark grey and light grey?

Areathrasher
11-21-2014, 05:00 PM
I've renewed my seat in 221 and would like a chance at relocation. Do I just email my rep about it or does it get offered automatically?

Auzzy
11-21-2014, 05:06 PM
What are the renewal/loyalty prices for dark grey and light grey?

Renewal for light grey is $228 per seat.

InDa_110
11-21-2014, 05:08 PM
I'm gonna miss the days when we had winds blowing to the East...so you could smoke joints in the back corner of 110 and nobody would notice. #1stWorldSupporterProblems

Lol. The top row was a smoking section and nobody knew it but us.

BuSaPuNk
11-21-2014, 07:48 PM
Renewal for light grey is $228 per seat.

Renewal for light grey is $361 per seat. At least that's what my invoice says for renewal and im in 111.

Eastend
11-21-2014, 08:21 PM
Because your seat has such a specific benefit to it (being the seats along that railing where the accessible cut out) I'd call your rep...

You have that seat because of that benefit - and should be able to keep it...

If someone in row 14 seat 7/8 moved to seat 9/10 it wouldn't really be an issue - but yours is a specific / special situation...

Kind of funny. I had planned to call my rep today to ask but she actually called me to see if I had received the renewal email. I asked about the seat change and she said the only thing that's changed is the number, the seat stays in the same spot. I then asked about the rendering that shows the handicap space being gone, which to me indicates my seat is no longer first row in my section (and possible loss of the rsiling) which she responded that the row didn't change. After thinking about it for most of the day I am not at all comfortable with that response and will be calling back on Monday for clarification.

I also asked about the relocation. She said it will be online with a 3D viewer of the view from the general vicinity of the seat and that it will be mid January. Not sure about time frames or if you'll be on the phone with your rep to lock it in but another item to TRY and get more details on when I call bback on Monday.

Dom

Pint
11-21-2014, 08:26 PM
Light grey renewal is based on how long you have had tickets. $228 if 3+ with tickets, $280 if 2 years and $361 if purchased last offseason

Stress
11-21-2014, 11:12 PM
I've renewed my seat in 221 and would like a chance at relocation. Do I just email my rep about it or does it get offered automatically?

You should get an email in the future about the relocation event happening in February. Usually we would go to the stadium to do it but this year it's going to be done online. It goes in order of seniority.

I talked to a rep recently and he told me I should easily be able to relocate to another light grey section if I don't want to stay in 104. I originally asked if they were moving the away supporters section with the expansion but was told they have no idea. Would be very happy with my current seats if they move the away supporters up top.

Because of the late renewal timeline last year, the relocation event happened before people had to even commit to their seats. So as far as I understand, all the tickets that weren't renewed should be up for grabs. Hopefully this means there will be more opportunities to shuffle for those that want/need to.

Auzzy
11-22-2014, 12:23 AM
Renewal for light grey is $361 per seat. At least that's what my invoice says for renewal and im in 111.


Light grey renewal is based on how long you have had tickets. $228 if 3+ with tickets, $280 if 2 years and $361 if purchased last offseason

Wow, confusing!!!

Carts
11-22-2014, 12:23 PM
I'm just happy I'm a year-1 guy because $228-to-$361 is a big difference, especially when buying a pair on my own.

Abou Sky
11-22-2014, 03:16 PM
Wow, confusing!!!

Even more confusing, I got my invoice, two seats @ $228 + one at $304 (One at $304 was bought for 2014)

Red CB Toronto
11-22-2014, 04:10 PM
I thought 228 was the price before December 15 and $361 was the price after, so what is this loyalty stuff all about, have seen nothing about it anywhere.

Hieberrr
11-23-2014, 02:38 PM
I would love to join the RPB in the supporters section, but season tickets are way too expensive for me at the moment. Just getting in for a pair is already $1,500. I'll try again next year and will put down a deposit down earlier. I'll most likely have to commit to at least one year of expensive tickets before I can get in for cheaper seats. Sigh...

Hell, even the light greys are decently priced. The price takes a huge jump after that.

Pookie
11-23-2014, 03:16 PM
I would love to join the RPB in the supporters section, but season tickets are way too expensive for me at the moment. Just getting in for a pair is already $1,500. I'll try again next year and will put down a deposit down earlier. I'll most likely have to commit to at least one year of expensive tickets before I can get in for cheaper seats. Sigh...

Hell, even the light greys are decently priced. The price takes a huge jump after that.

Just out of curiosity, what value is it for you to have season seats if it is beyond your finances?

Quite a few fans bit the Marlies' pack bullet years ago with the hope of one day getting seasons. They paid through the nose and just a few years later, tickets were easy to get. With 8,000 new seats, I can't see a time where scarcity (except for a single marque game involving a retiring EPL star) will be an issue.

You can get to every game, in the south end for a lot less than $1,500. You might not have the same seat every time… or be added to a mailing list… one of the significant perks apparently ;) … but you shouldn't have to go into debt just for the hope of one day getting a more reasonably priced seat.

And for all those suggesting that the two tier pricing model is fair based on loyalty, here is a prime example of how the policy hurts. You've got a new fan, even wanting to be a part of a SG and he's priced out. Hopefully, his enthusiasm stays for another year or they've lost another one.

TFC07
11-23-2014, 03:25 PM
TFC needs to find another way to reward SSH who have been SSH more one year instead of creating two tier prices.

Since we don't get Raptor tickets this time around, how are they going to give incentive for fans to renew or buy season seats? I personally regret renewing my seats for next year. I should have waited and see what value we get to renew our seats.

Hieberrr
11-23-2014, 08:04 PM
Just out of curiosity, what value is it for you to have season seats if it is beyond your finances?
I've been a fan for the past 4-5 years or so, but really started to follow the team very closely in the past 2 years. I've gone to a bunch of games -- 3 in 2013 I think, and 6-7 this past year (most of them were free tickets from work with 1-2 purchased myself). I would absolutely love to be there every single game, but at the current price, it's just not worth it to me. I have a budget for these things and this is over double my budget. Ideally, I'd love to be right in the mix with the supporters, but when that will happen, I don't know. At this rate, I might never get in.

I think I'll be fine with occasionally going to games or maybe purchasing some tickets off RPB members who can't attend.

brad
11-23-2014, 10:32 PM
And for all those suggesting that the two tier pricing model is fair based on loyalty, here is a prime example of how the policy hurts. You've got a new fan, even wanting to be a part of a SG and he's priced out. Hopefully, his enthusiasm stays for another year or they've lost another one.

Tiered pricing is not the issue - lack of SSH at an affordable price point is.

brad
11-23-2014, 10:40 PM
I've been a fan for the past 4-5 years or so, but really started to follow the team very closely in the past 2 years. I've gone to a bunch of games -- 3 in 2013 I think, and 6-7 this past year (most of them were free tickets from work with 1-2 purchased myself). I would absolutely love to be there every single game, but at the current price, it's just not worth it to me. I have a budget for these things and this is over double my budget. Ideally, I'd love to be right in the mix with the supporters, but when that will happen, I don't know. At this rate, I might never get in.

I think I'll be fine with occasionally going to games or maybe purchasing some tickets off RPB members who can't attend.

Tickets are readily available on the secondary market below cost. This year they were around $20.00/game with lots available every game. With another 8500 seats being added - I don't expect that to change (if anything -prices may go down). At 17 games - that's $340 to attended evey game of the season.

So you can be there every game of the season to support the team, at less than half the cost a pair of seasons would set you back.

Red CB Toronto
11-23-2014, 10:45 PM
Has anyone seen a seating chart for the renovated stadium?

OgtheDim
11-23-2014, 11:34 PM
Tickets are readily available on the secondary market below cost. ...

As long as that secondary market is people who are not demanding a profit be made with every transaction. The secondary market relies upon people who can afford to buy but don't mind losing a bit on the few games they miss. But, if people like that don't step in when other SSH's leave, the market becomes dependent upon the professional seller.

From what I saw, scalpers controlled thousands of SS's in 2014. Did the scalpers with big wads of Season seats in their hands toss their tickets to the wind 5 minutes before kick off?



The other point is the SSH base ages. For this team to succeed long term, it has to continue to attract recent grads and people under 30. Cause, like it or not, the older we get, the quieter we tend to be.

Pookie
11-24-2014, 07:08 AM
The other point is the SSH base ages. For this team to succeed long term, it has to continue to attract recent grads and people under 30. Cause, like it or not, the older we get, the quieter we tend to be.

David Foot the economist who wrote Boom, Bust and Echo (Demographics) would also suggest that the older cohorts tend to attend fewer games. Obviously there are exceptions but as a general rule, life circumstances and interest levels change.

brad
11-24-2014, 08:02 AM
As long as that secondary market is people who are not demanding a profit be made with every transaction. The secondary market relies upon people who can afford to buy but don't mind losing a bit on the few games they miss. But, if people like that don't step in when other SSH's leave, the market becomes dependent upon the professional seller.

From what I saw, scalpers controlled thousands of SS's in 2014. Did the scalpers with big wads of Season seats in their hands toss their tickets to the wind 5 minutes before kick off?

Without a doubt this can change, at which time folks without SSH can re-evaluate the costs between the two. A lot of the secondary market for cheap though is being driven by the year one reset. Lots of folks are simply happy to re-coupe face value from their tickets, which means lots of tickets on the secondary market at that reduced price. When the prices get jacked back up I suspect the equation will change.


The other point is the SSH base ages. For this team to succeed long term, it has to continue to attract recent grads and people under 30. Cause, like it or not, the older we get, the quieter we tend to be.

I agree 100%, and at a $1500 entry point to get in the door is a high bar for a lot of folks under 30 (I know that would have been out of my price range at that point).

Pookie
11-24-2014, 08:34 AM
You know, the secondary ticket market could also be influenced by another variable... a legal one.

That is of course assuming an organization that values loyalty for its fans is inclined to make it an issue.

Fort York Redcoat
11-24-2014, 09:37 AM
Just out of curiosity, what value is it for you to have season seats if it is beyond your finances?

Quite a few fans bit the Marlies' pack bullet years ago with the hope of one day getting seasons. They paid through the nose and just a few years later, tickets were easy to get. With 8,000 new seats, I can't see a time where scarcity (except for a single marque game involving a retiring EPL star) will be an issue.

You can get to every game, in the south end for a lot less than $1,500. You might not have the same seat every time… or be added to a mailing list… one of the significant perks apparently ;) … but you shouldn't have to go into debt just for the hope of one day getting a more reasonably priced seat.

And for all those suggesting that the two tier pricing model is fair based on loyalty, here is a prime example of how the policy hurts. You've got a new fan, even wanting to be a part of a SG and he's priced out. Hopefully, his enthusiasm stays for another year or they've lost another one.

2 tier is a model not a cemented amount. It can be a fair model. It does not require one tier to double the other. Your accusation is disingenuous.

TorontoGooner
11-24-2014, 09:55 AM
2 tier is a model not a cemented amount. It can be a fair model. It does not require one tier to double the other. Your accusation is disingenuous.

Its a fair accusation. The current system is shambolic, really. I'm not renewing because when I enquired about adding another two season tickets to my exisiting two, I was told I would be charged significantly more per ticket for the new tickets. The only reason I have seasons is to one day ensure I have seats at the first Playoff game. But the addition of 8000 seats means I'll get them elsewhere anyway.

I honestly will save a grand this year by buying tickets for every game off of StubHub. Even high demand games will be available on their. The club, as Pookie has suggested, is in real danger of pricing out new customers. And with 8000 new seats being added, it needs those customers.

The club is heading into a lot of trouble, without realising it. They're alientating the very fanbase they've shafted for years. I almost laughed when I read that my renewal prices would be the same as long as you sign up by December 15th. Only TFC would do that to a fanbase that is on the verge of collapsing, and only Toronto sports fans would fall for it.

It doesn't make me any less a fan for not buying seasons. I'll still be there every home game, and I'll still attend a lot of away games, but I'm not paying MLSE directly anymore for them to take liberties with my loyalty

bones
11-24-2014, 10:33 AM
You know, the secondary ticket market could also be influenced by another variable... a legal one.

That is of course assuming an organization that values loyalty for its fans is inclined to make it an issue.

You need to have a few things in place to approach using a legal variable. First of all the price difference between actual single game day pricing vs STH is too great. To combat that, ownership needs to print "paid value" on the damn tickets instead of this artificial face value crap. As of right now you can get season tickets to ML$E events, sell all the tickets at face value and make a lot of money and it is perfectly legal. An alternative is for ML$E to sell single tickets for almost the same price as season tickets per game (can't see them not doing this money grab) and give a lot of perks for being a STH instead of a large price break.

Then after that you need to enforce the law that prevents people from selling above printed ticket price...if you thought the first part wasn't going to happen, this part has even less chance.

Fort York Redcoat
11-24-2014, 10:39 AM
Its a fair accusation. The current system is shambolic, really. I'm not renewing because when I enquired about adding another two season tickets to my exisiting two, I was told I would be charged significantly more per ticket for the new tickets. The only reason I have seasons is to one day ensure I have seats at the first Playoff game. But the addition of 8000 seats means I'll get them elsewhere anyway.

I honestly will save a grand this year by buying tickets for every game off of StubHub. Even high demand games will be available on their. The club, as Pookie has suggested, is in real danger of pricing out new customers. And with 8000 new seats being added, it needs those customers.

The club is heading into a lot of trouble, without realising it. They're alientating the very fanbase they've shafted for years. I almost laughed when I read that my renewal prices would be the same as long as you sign up by December 15th. Only TFC would do that to a fanbase that is on the verge of collapsing, and only Toronto sports fans would fall for it.

It doesn't make me any less a fan for not buying seasons. I'll still be there every home game, and I'll still attend a lot of away games, but I'm not paying MLSE directly anymore for them to take liberties with my loyalty

Your complaint is about the rate not the system. If it was a dollar more between the tiers this would be a different conversation.

I'm not disagreeing with anything but that. Your complaint is completely valid.

Pookie
11-24-2014, 11:59 AM
Your complaint is about the rate not the system. If it was a dollar more between the tiers this would be a different conversation.

I'm not disagreeing with anything but that. Your complaint is completely valid.

But it is a catch 22 isn't it?

If the goal is "rewarding loyalty" there has to be a significant difference in price otherwise it's hardly a "reward."

The very nature of choosing to "reward loyalty" via a price tier model necessitates that there be a price gap. It's fundamental to the plan.

Fort York Redcoat
11-24-2014, 01:10 PM
But it is a catch 22 isn't it?

If the goal is "rewarding loyalty" there has to be a significant difference in price otherwise it's hardly a "reward."

The very nature of choosing to "reward loyalty" via a price tier model necessitates that there be a price gap. It's fundamental to the plan.

Not at all. Look at where you're coming from. I don't care much for the reward ideas you've brought up but it could make a difference to you and others. To me the principle of the gesture is sufficient. To you and many others they would need to see more.

They are establishing a standard most would disagree is good but the principle stays in tact whether they change the amount or not.

Pookie
11-24-2014, 03:34 PM
Not at all. Look at where you're coming from. I don't care much for the reward ideas you've brought up but it could make a difference to you and others. To me the principle of the gesture is sufficient. To you and many others they would need to see more.

They are establishing a standard most would disagree is good but the principle stays in tact whether they change the amount or not.

So to use your example of $1, would that be a sufficient gesture?

You've stuck by the team since 2007. Me? I jumped out last year. They come to me and say that they would offer me seats next to you for $1 more? Is that something that many would see as a benefit of loyalty?

Likely not, right?

So somewhere between $1 and where they are now is this space known as a "significant difference" that justifies the loyalty pricing tier. No sense hanging your hat on loyalty pricing if there isn't a significant difference.

Having this tier effectively sets new season ticket holder prices at a high point of entry. Holding back inexpensive seats doesn't help but this tier doesn't either. North end seats could be over $400 cheaper for a pair for a new fan if they did away with this loyalty tier (and set all prices at 2007 levels). And they could reward loyalty in other ways.

Joe Kool
11-24-2014, 07:44 PM
Well I, for one, asked for a discount for my loyalty in all of those surveys over the years and suggested it could be tiered based on inception year and since that is what they seem to have done I am happy.