TFC 2014-15 Off-Season player moves/speculation/rumours/etc. thread

[jloome]

Everything indicates he's not coming back.

Really? Because he's said he's committed, the team has said they want him back and the players waived say it was all overblown.

In fact, in terms of attributable statements, nothing indicates he's leaving. So far, that's all sources and conjecture. (I admit there's so much it would be dumb to ignore it, but technically, everyone's saying the opposite).

[Haddy]

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11:05 AM - 16 Nov 2014


^^ this was retweeted by Essien himself.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

That be huge for us and id gladly take him that being said that tweet is pretty cryptic

[Yohan]

That be huge for us and id gladly take him that being said that tweet is pretty cryptic
his knees are pretty shot. unless another DP spot opens up, I think better spent on CAM instead of another DM/CM

[Ossington Mental Youth]

his knees are pretty shot. unless another DP spot opens up, I think better spent on CAM instead of another DM/CM

fair enough. Not mad at a CAM either

[Kaz]

Honestly leave Gilberto and Moore upfront let them learn to work together, and pick up a DP AM or Midfield Winger. That gives a DP path forward. Then pick up a MLS quality winger to put Jackson on Depth.

[flamehawk]

his knees are pretty shot. unless another DP spot opens up, I think better spent on CAM instead of another DM/CM


The way I read the tweet was more that he would be playing for another MLS team, hence "competing" with Bradley.

[TorontoGooner]

The way I read the tweet was more that he would be playing for another MLS team, hence "competing" with Bradley.

Vanney and Essien played alongside each other at Bastia. I expect there could be weight to rumours he's coming here

[BuSaPuNk]

The way I read the tweet was more that he would be playing for another MLS team, hence "competing" with Bradley.

That's the way I'm reading itas well. However Vanneys relationship with playing with him could help.

Not sold on him though. Hes a huge injury concern.

[Defoe]

That's the way I'm reading itas well. However Vanneys relationship with playing with him could help.

Not sold on him though. Hes a huge injury concern.

Agree, an interesting replacement for Defoe, but a 32 year old box to box midfielder, is that THE BEST we can do? Your likely paying for the name more then the player. I would strongly prefer to acquire young south american talent, like Gilberto, Laba, Valeri or perhaps a Piatti. Hope they don't jump the gun on this just because a good name wants to agree to come here for a pay day, it's not always the best option.

[BuSaPuNk]

Agree, an interesting replacement for Defoe, but a 32 year old box to box midfielder, is that THE BEST we can do? Your likely paying for the name more then the player. I would strongly prefer to acquire young south american talent, like Gilberto, Laba, Valeri or perhaps a Piatti. Hope they don't jump the gun on this just because a good name wants to agree to come here for a pay day, it's not always the best option.

Yeah not the best we can do that's for sure. If were going down that road with a euro based player he shouldn't have a injury prone career. It has to be someone who's in the 28-31 age range.

[flamehawk]

That's the way I'm reading itas well. However Vanneys relationship with playing with him could help.

Not sold on him though. Hes a huge injury concern.

Not convinced either that he fills our need, especially since Bradley himself apparently sees himself as more of a stay at home defensive midfielder and would like to play that. It would seem Essien would be too similar, and we'd still be missing a CAM.

[Defoe]

I also did some digging and it seems Massai (Raptor GM) is friends with Michael Essien. Essien was the player that was reppping Toronto Raptor gear at the world cup.

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10431428_10152488954009162_4275626960020433150_o.j pg

[portu]

Looks like Sean St. Ledger (former Irish national team centre back) is moving to MLS in January only 29 and could be what we're looking for but injury last season with Leicester left him without games

[OgtheDim]

If Essien sat back and did Destroyer, and that's it - he's an upgrade on Warner, when not injured.

But that's not a good use of a DP slot.

[Areathrasher]

Looks like Sean St. Ledger (former Irish national team centre back) is moving to MLS in January only 29 and could be what we're looking for but injury last season with Leicester left him without games

Could get him on the cheap as he's been looking for a club since May.

I'd take him.

[Areathrasher]

"So Mike, I'll prob be head coach here in a bit, fancy coming over next year?"
"Sure Greg, i'll get a new agent who knows MLS"
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtU3YJTCQAAZiyl.jpg:medium

*conversation may not have gone like that*

[Shway]

"So Mike, I'll prob be head coach here in a bit, fancy coming over next year?"
"Sure Greg, i'll get a new agent who knows MLS"
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtU3YJTCQAAZiyl.jpg:medium

*conversation may not have gone like that*

who is that? (Greg and...)

[Red I]

who is that? (Greg and...)

Michael Essien

[Areathrasher]

Micheal Essien

[Yohan]

Looks like Sean St. Ledger (former Irish national team centre back) is moving to MLS in January only 29 and could be what we're looking for but injury last season with Leicester left him without gameshttps://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/st-ledger-hopes-to-revive-career-in-mls-by-moving-to-us-next-year-1.2003237

[gdg_9]

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/st-ledger-hopes-to-revive-career-in-mls-by-moving-to-us-next-year-1.2003237

If he is serious about coming to MLS, and is willing to accept a regular non-DP MLS wage, then I could definitely see TFC as a team that could pick him up.

We have a need for a more experienced starting CB to play along side Caldwell for another year or two to give Haglund time to properly develop.

St. Ledger would presumably know O'Dea from their time on the National team, and O'Dea always speaks very highly of Toronto and his time at TFC. (If not for salary issues, he'd likely still be here).

[OgtheDim]

Sound like his agent is talking to somebody.

[mcolvy]

Sound like his agent is talking to somebody.

IF Essien were to come here on say a $500,000 deal that we heavily buy down the contract with allocation, which would leave us a DP slot to get that Attacking Mid, we could have quite the team, tho one that has a lot of money in a few guys (especially with an older and injury prone Caldwell on big money as well).

....One can dream.

[BuSaPuNk]

Gerry Dobson @SNGerryDobson · 53m 53 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/SNGerryDobson/status/534694940660748288) For what its worth #CSA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CSA?src=hash) working diligently but quietly to try and bring David Hoilett on board. Problem; he's started just 4 games for #QPR (https://twitter.com/hashtag/QPR?src=hash).

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/532558005355958272/YX9sZysz_normal.jpeg Duane Rollins @24thminute · 33m 33 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/534700282769584128)
LRT: What I was hinting at last week. Junior is back in the picture. Likely not until Gold Cup though.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/532558005355958272/YX9sZysz_normal.jpeg Duane Rollins @24thminute · 22m 22 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/534703117200535553)
LRT: only a matter of time until he ends up at @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc), really.

I believe the last RT from Duane in regards to being at TFC was a tweet about Sven Gorren Erickson signing with a Chinese club.

[mowe]

I believe the last RT from Duane in regards to being at TFC was a tweet about Sven Gorren Erickson signing with a Chinese club.

Correct. Good to hear about Hoilett, but this is the wrong forum for it.

[GabrielHurl]

Probably not the place for this news - but I heard Malcolm the kit man has been let go

[Phil]

Probably not the place for this news - but I heard Malcolm the kit man has been let go

WTF? Really?

[BuSaPuNk]

Probably not the place for this news - but I heard Malcolm the kit man has been let go

Ummm what?

[TFC/Everton]

Probably not the place for this news - but I heard Malcolm the kit man has been let go

uhm, seriously?

[Richard]

Who cares? Or am I missing something here?

[TFC07]

Probably not the place for this news - but I heard Malcolm the kit man has been let go

He been with club since day one, right? If that's case, then maybe TFC just wants to get rid of anyone from past history with this club so they can change culture. lol

[Phil]

Who cares? Or am I missing something here?

That guy did more than most to reach out to the supporters of this club.

[GabrielHurl]

WTF? Really?

Yeah - heard through a friend who is friends with him socially.

[C.Ronaldo]

Bez is a stickler for creases

start the rumours of the who will be the new kit guy, I suggest they look within MLS for a proven asset

[Parkdale]

Wow. I'd like to hear Malcolm's take on it. He's been a fly on the wall for ages. Hell, I'd there was any money in it, he should write a tell-all book. I'd buy a hardcover copy and ask him to sign it.

[ensco]

It was the kit man's fault all along. I knew it.

[gdg_9]

Former TFC Player Emery Welshman on fired kit man Malcolm Phillips:

"@Esawelsh: @soccercanada ...he wasnt any of those..."
(in response to Malcolm Phillips being "positive and good at his job")


Maybe there is a valid reason for TFC to make this decision after all.

[flamehawk]

Another tweet from Welshman:


Emery WelshmanVerified account‏@Esawelsh (https://twitter.com/Esawelsh)

Handed in my resume for the open tfc kit man job and got asked the question "what's a resume?"

[Yohan]

TFC, where firing of a kit man is a drama issue

[flamehawk]

TFC, where firing of a kit man is a drama issue

Ha, was going to say that ... the circus continues, even down to the kit man

[jloome]

Former TFC Player Emery Welshman on fired kit man Malcolm Phillips:

"@Esawelsh: @soccercanada ...he wasnt any of those..."
(in response to Malcolm Phillips being "positive and good at his job")


Maybe there is a valid reason for TFC to make this decision after all.

There usually is.

[Ivy]

Another tweet from Welshman:


Emery WelshmanVerified account‏@Esawelsh (https://twitter.com/Esawelsh)

Handed in my resume for the open tfc kit man job and got asked the question "what's a resume?"
Welshman is very immature. He has a lot of growing to do if he wants a professional career.

[OgtheDim]

Another tweet from Welshman:


Emery WelshmanVerified account‏@Esawelsh (https://twitter.com/Esawelsh)

Handed in my resume for the open tfc kit man job and got asked the question "what's a resume?"

That's actually funny.

Hmmm....drollness. Not used to that from players. Maybe him and the Weedman can do a comedy club tour.

[Oldtimer]

TFC, where firing of a kit man is a drama issue

haha, so true.

TFC, where the kit man goes in the off-season player's thread!

[TFC/Everton]

More on Essien: http://www.goal.com/en-gh/news/4389/ghana/2014/11/19/6296441/toronto-fc-bid-for-michael-essien

[razor787]

"The 31-year-old joined Milan from Chelsea on a free transfer last January but has failed to shine with Milan legend Vladimir Boban describing him as the worst player the club has signed."

Sounds like just what this club needs...

[ensco]

I was actually just thinking that we have a huge hole at DM next year, with Bradley, Warner, Creavalle ... I mean what if those guys all get hurt, at once?

I was really worried about our depth there until I read this Essien news. Phew.

[MartinUtd]

Did we resign De Guzman or did this article leave out the word "former"?

De Guzman, who wore the captain’s armband for the friendly, was part of a veteran-heavy starting lineup that produced a sloppy first half in the Central American heat. For his part, the Toronto FC man wasn’t trying to sugarcoat things.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/19/canadian-national-team-ends-2014-step-right-direction-thanks-draw-panama

[Areathrasher]

Kristian Jack ‏@KristianJack (https://twitter.com/KristianJack) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/535092864431443968)
Am told Toronto FC's Bezbatchenko & Vanney recently went to Fiorentina to chat with agent of Chilean Mati Fernandez. Player said no to offer

Kristian Jack ‏@KristianJack (https://twitter.com/KristianJack) 49s49 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/535093351960555521)
TFC are communicating to clubs and agents that they want an international number ten/playmaker to be in their squad next season as a DP.

Now that's what I'm talking about (even though player said no)

[BuSaPuNk]

Works being done at least not that its surprising at all. At least its out there to calm the crowd calling for another tear down.

[PopePouri]

Kristian Jack ‏@KristianJack (https://twitter.com/KristianJack) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/535092864431443968)
Am told Toronto FC's Bezbatchenko & Vanney recently went to Fiorentina to chat with agent of Chilean Mati Fernandez. Player said no to offer

Kristian Jack ‏@KristianJack (https://twitter.com/KristianJack) 49s49 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/535093351960555521)
TFC are communicating to clubs and agents that they want an international number ten/playmaker to be in their squad next season as a DP.

Now that's what I'm talking about (even though player said no)

Their heart is in the right place at least. Keep chugging away.

[Canary10]

I was actually just thinking that we have a huge hole at DM next year, with Bradley, Warner, Creavalle ... I mean what if those guys all get hurt, at once?

I was really worried about our depth there until I read this Essien news. Phew.

Maybe we can get Laba back too as a DPish DM coming off the bench. Two DP DMs and a DPish DM sub plus those guys should cover us.

[Areathrasher]

Maybe we can get Laba back too as a DPish DM coming off the bench. Two DP DMs and a DPish DM sub plus those guys should cover us.

Could draft Nick Besler with the 6th pick. Good up and coming DM. Should be ok for depth then.

[pdubs]

Finally they are targeting a true #10. Brings hope. 4-2-3-1 here we come?

[portu]

in theory mati fernandez would be great but hes always injured

[MartinUtd]

Yeah like Fiorentina is going to do us any favours. Doesn't Saputo own them now?

[Areathrasher]

Yeah like Fiorentina is going to do us any favours. Doesn't Saputo own them now?

Bolonga in Serie B

[TFC/Everton]

Good to see TFC going after quality midfielders. Keep trying, boys!

[barticusz]

We're on the right track. Keep plugging away Vanbatchenko!!

[ensco]

Kristian Jack ‏@KristianJack (https://twitter.com/KristianJack) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/535092864431443968)
Am told Toronto FC's Bezbatchenko & Vanney recently went to Fiorentina to chat with agent of Chilean Mati Fernandez. Player said no to offer

Kristian Jack ‏@KristianJack (https://twitter.com/KristianJack) 49s49 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/KristianJack/status/535093351960555521)
TFC are communicating to clubs and agents that they want an international number ten/playmaker to be in their squad next season as a DP.

Now that's what I'm talking about (even though player said no)



The season ticket renewals go out, and the DP rumour machine suddenly burps to life. Last night Essien, now this. I love the "went to Fiorentina" part, that's pure Leiweke, Bez has learned something from him, the florid detail (pun intended) that makes the whole thing seem real.

I am waiting breathlessly for Cathal Kelly to put a Pirlo rumour on the front page. Complete with planned Niagara vineyard tours. You heard it here first.

[Areathrasher]

The season ticket renewals go out, and the DP rumour machine suddenly burps to life. Last night Essien, now this. I love the "went to Fiorentina" part, that's pure Leiweke, Bez has learned something from him, the florid detail (pun intended) that makes the whole thing seem real.

I am waiting breathlessly for Cathal Kelly to put a Pirlo rumour on the front page. Complete with planned Niagara vineyard tours. You heard it here first.

The Essien stuff is all pie in the sky from non TFC/MLS sources, id disregard it.

But yea I had the same thoughts even though them potentially going after that type of player is music to my ears.

[BuSaPuNk]

The season ticket renewals go out, and the DP rumour machine suddenly burps to life. Last night Essien, now this. I love the "went to Fiorentina" part, that's pure Leiweke, Bez has learned something from him, the florid detail (pun intended) that makes the whole thing seem real.

I am waiting breathlessly for Cathal Kelly to put a Pirlo rumour on the front page. Complete with planned Niagara vineyard tours. You heard it here first.

Yeah because the media isnt going to speculate on things to sell papers and get website hits.

Jeez. Its just a big conspiracy to sell tickets apparently.

At least Bez and co. are still working the market to find a AM #10 that we all know we need. Its not like he's wasting his time on something we don't need.

[NolbertoS]

Well its a positive sign that TFC is trying to lure a true No. 10. After seeing Morales in action, they see an upside in a chilean connection perhaps :p. might as well go after Sanchez if they wanna break the bank.

[Ruffian]

I still think Julian De Guzman would be a great pickup for TFC and a huge upgrade on Warner.

In an article in the Montreal Gazette he says "Their dream land is Canada or Toronto," talking about his kids living in Germany. He has said he wants to be close to his family. Seems like his kids would be very happy to come to Toronto and he can continue his career.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Canadian+international+Julian+Guzman+puts+family+f irst+over/10177651/story.html

[ManUtd4ever]

I still think Julian De Guzman would be a great pickup for TFC and a huge upgrade on Warner.

In an article in the Montreal Gazette he says "Their dream land is Canada or Toronto," talking about his kids living in Germany. He has said he wants to be close to his family. Seems like his kids would be very happy to come to Toronto and he can continue his career.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Canadian+international+Julian+Guzman+puts+family+f irst+over/10177651/story.html

Been there, done that. Besides, a declining JDG is not what TFC needs at the present time. As mentioned by others, we desperately need a bonafide attacking midfielder.

[Shway]

I still think Julian De Guzman would be a great pickup for TFC and a huge upgrade on Warner.

In an article in the Montreal Gazette he says "Their dream land is Canada or Toronto," talking about his kids living in Germany. He has said he wants to be close to his family. Seems like his kids would be very happy to come to Toronto and he can continue his career.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Canadian+international+Julian+Guzman+puts+family+f irst+over/10177651/story.html

With a base of 115,500.00 and comp of 143,000.00. I would swap JDG for Collen Warner immediately, and would give him a 200k base salary.

I was a big opponent for trading Warner for Issey. I watch all teams in this league, and I knew he was shite from when he played for RSL nevermind Montreal.

I hope we leave him unprotected, and NYCFC or Orlando pick him so we can get Garber bucks to use it on someone else.

[portu]

Been there, done that. Besides, a declining JDG is not what TFC needs at the present time. As mentioned by others, we desperately need a bonafide attacking midfielder.
I'd take JDG over warner all day and JDG might even be a tad cheaper. Besides what does a need at CAM have to do with acquiring a non-dp defensive midfielder?

[RealG-TFC]

I still think Julian De Guzman would be a great pickup for TFC and a huge upgrade on Warner.

In an article in the Montreal Gazette he says "Their dream land is Canada or Toronto," talking about his kids living in Germany. He has said he wants to be close to his family. Seems like his kids would be very happy to come to Toronto and he can continue his career.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Canadian+international+Julian+Guzman+puts+family+f irst+over/10177651/story.html

Except it's apparent in that article that the kids live with their mother in Frankfurt and aren't intending on moving. Hence his desire to look for a club in Germany or mid-europe

[flamehawk]

With a base of 115,500.00 and comp of 143,000.00. I would swap JDG for Collen Warner immediately, and would give him a 200k base salary.

I was a big opponent for trading Warner for Issey. I watch all teams in this league, and I knew he was shite from when he played for RSL nevermind Montreal.

I hope we leave him unprotected, and NYCFC or Orlando pick him so we can get Garber bucks to use it on someone else.

I agree. I actually signed him on FM. I think he'll do better this time around, playing to his specific role, versus the pressure he was under as a DP.

[Canary10]

Robbie Earnshaw's option was declined I see. Worth another go?

[ManUtd4ever]

I'd take JDG over warner all day and JDG might even be a tad cheaper. Besides what does a need at CAM have to do with acquiring a non-dp defensive midfielder?

JDG is not built to be an effective DM in MLS. It was apparent before, and it would be even more apparent now that he has likely lost a step.

My other point was that with the likes of Bradley, Warner, and Creavalle in the fold at the DM position and no legitimate attacking midfielders, we have far more glaring roster deficiencies to address than trying to find a cheaper back up DM.

[Cas87]

Robbie Earnshaw's option was declined I see. Worth another go?

Depending on his price, maybe

Gilberto, Moore, Earnshaw, Weeds

Looks good (decent enough, but if there is an option to upgrade .. TAKE IT)

[Canary10]

Depending on his price, maybe

Gilberto, Moore, Earnshaw, Weeds

Looks good (decent enough, but if there is an option to upgrade .. TAKE IT)

Weeds is out.

[Initial B]

How many international slots are available for TFC to use? I'm sure they're the ones that VanBez are looking to fill with starters first.

[Ultra & Proud]

Depending on his price, maybe

Gilberto, Moore, Earnshaw, Weeds

Looks good (decent enough, but if there is an option to upgrade .. TAKE IT)
I am assuming Moore will not be back although I haven't heard otherwise. Seeing as he was on a loan from a Turkish club I would say he is no guarantee to return and if that club wants to sell him rather than extend the loan I would say no. Anything that'd make Moore a DP is crazy talk.

Edit: Okay I see his Turkish contract was canceled because they didn't pay him.

[jloome]

JDG is not built to be an effective DM in MLS. It was apparent before, and it would be even more apparent now that he has likely lost a step.

My other point was that with the likes of Bradley, Warner, and Creavalle in the fold at the DM position and no legitimate attacking midfielders, we have far more glaring roster deficiencies to address than trying to find a cheaper back up DM.

If Creavalle works with Bradley and Vanney, he could be that guy long-term. It would actually be nice to have someone stronger than either Creavalle or Warner next year. Then we could play Bradley as the central pivot in a staggered 4-2-3-1

---------------Bendik---------------
Bloom---NEW CB/Hagglund--Caldwell---Morrow
----------NEW DM/Creavalle------------------
-----------Bradley--------------------------
Jackson------------NEW AM---------New WINGER
-----------------Gilberto-------------------------

[Ruffian]

If Creavalle works with Bradley and Vanney, he could be that guy long-term. It would actually be nice to have someone stronger than either Creavalle or Warner next year. Then we could play Bradley as the central pivot in a staggered 4-2-3-1

---------------Bendik---------------
Bloom---NEW CB/Hagglund--Caldwell---Morrow
----------NEW DM/Creavalle------------------
-----------Bradley--------------------------
Jackson------------NEW AM---------New WINGER
-----------------Gilberto-------------------------

I did not really see much in Creaville. I worry he is getting credit like Dike got last year when having a few run outs at the end of the year and getting more credit than he is due.

[PopePouri]

I did not really see much in Creaville. I worry he is getting credit like Dike got last year when having a few run outs at the end of the year and getting more credit than he is due.

He was a starting DM on a playoff team at 22 years old. Even if he underperforms next season, he'll hold a lot of trade value.

[flamehawk]

http://m.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/18/philadelphia-union-want-maurice-edu-back-expect-amobi-okugo-leave-2015

I'd be very happy with Okugo in as a CB.

[PopePouri]

http://m.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/18/philadelphia-union-want-maurice-edu-back-expect-amobi-okugo-leave-2015

I'd be very happy with Okugo in as a CB.

If I'm Vanney, I'd go after both Straith and Okugo this offseason for both DM and CB cover.

[Red I]

If Creavalle works with Bradley and Vanney, he could be that guy long-term. It would actually be nice to have someone stronger than either Creavalle or Warner next year. Then we could play Bradley as the central pivot in a staggered 4-2-3-1

---------------Bendik---------------
Bloom---NEW CB/Hagglund--Caldwell---Morrow
----------NEW DM/Creavalle------------------
-----------Bradley--------------------------
Jackson------------NEW AM---------New WINGER
-----------------Gilberto-------------------------

Not sold on Bloom being a bonafide starting RB - Vanney likes backs who like to bomb forward, and I don't find he's super effective when he does, not the most technical person on the wing either, at least not as technical as Morrow - i think this is another area the team can improve - he would make great depth and off-the-bench defensive option - the team has lousy options for depth outside-backs

[Areathrasher]

If I'm Vanney, I'd go after both Straith and Okugo this offseason for both DM and CB cover.

From everything the people covering the Union say, Okugo is off to Europe.

[Yohan]

Not sold on Bloom being a bonafide starting RB - Vanney likes backs who like to bomb forward, and I don't find he's super effective when he does, not the most technical person on the wing either, at least not as technical as Morrow - i think this is another area the team can improve - he would make great depth and off-the-bench defensive option - the team has lousy options for depth outside-backs
either way, Bloom needs competition at RB. I personally think he's a late Bloom-er and haven't quite reached his potential yet. He'll get better with better understanding of Vanney's system, and his family situation turns better for him.

[PopePouri]

We got Marco Delgado. That's a decent pickup.

[ag futbol]

DM is a huge need but might be able to be handled through the draft.

Agreed if true the Fernandez signing is the type of player we should be looking at.

[mowe]

We got Marco Delgado. That's a decent pickup.

Can't find who but someone on this board called that pick.

19 year old midfielder, used as a wide and centre mid last year. 20 games, 12 starts, 2 goals and an assist in 2014.

[portu]

Re Fernandez

if we're looking at such high cost players (transfer fee wise) who play internationally then why not Valbuena, Boussoufa or Eremenko

[molenshtain]

Not sold on Bloom being a bonafide starting RB - Vanney likes backs who like to bomb forward, and I don't find he's super effective when he does, not the most technical person on the wing either, at least not as technical as Morrow - i think this is another area the team can improve - he would make great depth and off-the-bench defensive option - the team has lousy options for depth outside-backs

From where I sit on the west side, I'm always impressed with Bloom when he gets forward. He makes good decisionsin the final third and actually puts in a really good cross. He's more tentative in getting forward than morrow, probably because he's slower, but he makes really good decisions whenever he does get forward. Another year of experience with a more stable back line could see him improve as well.

[jloome]

We got Marco Delgado. That's a decent pickup.

Truly surprised we got him that late. Major good choice, showed MLS starter potential several times according to regular followers.

[OgtheDim]

Delgado sounds like an upgrade on Creavalle.

Or coverage if Bloom goes.

[Burning Red]

No thanks with regard to Essien. Please no more injury prone guys looking for a last big payday. And especially because we desperately need an attacking mid No. 10. This club has been obsessed with signing central defensive mids. We don't need anymore. Signing anyone as a DP defensive mid would be a massive waste of money. Lets be honest, Bradley although a box to box mid, is not meant to be our out and out creative playmaker. Trying to sign a defensive mid so he can get forward was one of our biggest problems last season. To me, we have enough players whom can play the holding role, Bradley included. This is were he is more usefully deployed, and he can still get forward on occasion.

Also, I must say I am really surprised at how Bright Dike has been regarded by the club. He has loads of potential if he can stay fit. I hope the club keeps him.

Does anyone else think that Dike and Gilberto would make an awesome strike pairing? Both are quick but powerful players whom can hold the ball up, create space by holding off defenders as well as score with a variety of shots.

[TFCwestcan]

Did I miss anything, yes they did not play Dike late in the year, but has anyone heard if he is not in TFC plans next year? I wonder if the club see him as one of those often injured players, which is something that just kills MLS teams with there limited depth.

[TFCwestcan]

Interesting opinion piece from an RSL fan perspective....

http://www.rslsoapbox.com/2014/11/19/7244003/should-rsl-be-looking-at-marco-delgado-in-the-dispersal-draft

[JuliquE]

If Creavalle works with Bradley and Vanney, he could be that guy long-term. It would actually be nice to have someone stronger than either Creavalle or Warner next year. Then we could play Bradley as the central pivot in a staggered 4-2-3-1

---------------Bendik---------------
Bloom---NEW CB/Hagglund--Caldwell---Morrow
----------NEW DM/Creavalle------------------
-----------Bradley--------------------------
Jackson------------NEW AM---------New WINGER
-----------------Gilberto-------------------------
Mostly agree with this, as I've said similar, in past.. however, in such a formation, the backs are more heavily relied upon for width. That said, I really don't think we need to get a "new winger," and would sooner see Osorio in that position, learning from our new, stud AM, with the lot of them interchanging.

Interesting about Creavalle; I am weary, like others have said, not to give him TOO much credit.. but, I HAVE said, in past, that he is a nice upgrade on the likes of Hall. So, yeh—wouldn't shock me, if your assessment were proven accurate, with time.

I like that we've got Delgado, as well—so young and full of energy/quality. He he might well make the likes of Bloom expendable, if we MUST lose someone in the expansion draft (would love to hold onto him). Preferably, however, I'd prefer him as cover/depth, so as not to rush his development; to that end, I think Creavalle might take up Bloom's place, with Delgado keeping him honest, in the pecking order (confident he'll get some significant minutes).

[Defoe]

Interesting opinion piece from an RSL fan perspective....

http://www.rslsoapbox.com/2014/11/19/7244003/should-rsl-be-looking-at-marco-delgado-in-the-dispersal-draft

I like the scouting report... sounds like a younger version of Laba - or the opposite of Bekker. These are the types of players that you need in a long season. I like it.

[flamehawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAgNDJl6RfI

I know highlight reels can be deceiving, but this has me sorta excited for getting Delgado. Seems like he might well be an upgrade over Bloom with versatility to cover the midfield positions.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Let's stay excited for a potential talent but remember he's had 2 surgeries and is said to play "all out". I'll be watching, hoping, wearing the look of a concerned mother...

[jloome]

Let's stay excited for a potential talent but remember he's had 2 surgeries and is said to play "all out". I'll be watching, hoping, wearing the look of a concerned mother...

His reps are definitely playing up his anticipation in that vid, which would fit with using him as an anchor or fullback. Good anchor needs to cut off passing lanes and passes more than anything.

[Red I]

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/19/ex-tfc-captain-recounts-unsettling-season-in-ukraine

I wonder about this O'Dea, and what his wage demands would be... a pairing of O'Dea and Caldwell sounds like it should be solid

[Yohan]

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/19/ex-tfc-captain-recounts-unsettling-season-in-ukraine

I wonder about this O'Dea, and what his wage demands would be... a pairing of O'Dea and Caldwell sounds like it should be solid


He’s open to once again enjoying soccer in MLS, just not in Montreal.“They would need to offer me double (the money) I got in Ukraine,” O’Dea said. “I don’t think they have that.”
That's an ex TFC captain speaking. Tic tac tabernac...

[SoccMan2]

O'Dea and Caldwell pairing your kidding me right, O'Dea is crap and you want to pair him with Caldwell who is not much better ya sure why not, please, this team still had one of the worst goals against in the league again this season, this club needs among many things is two center backs and Caldwell and O'Dea are not the answer!

[Jpexxx]

I liked O'Dea... Unfortunate about how much he cost. I'd welcome him back in a heartbeat at a lower price.

[portu]

I think O'dea would be great on something like 325k granted the cap goes up quite a bit

[TorontoGooner]

Without wishing to do a disservice to Hagglund, who I rate very highly, I would welcome O'Dea back with open arms at a reasonable wage. He is solid, determined, and obviously has a liking for the club and us fans. Alongside Caldwell as well, we'd lack pace there, but they both have good footballing brains and would work very well alongside each other.

As a complete imbecile when it comes to how the cap works and all the allocation stuff (goes right over my head), what would TFC have to do in terms of sacrifices and trades to get him back on a reasonable salary?

I've lived on this continent for 7 years and still can't get my head around how player transfers and salaries work.

[Richard]

O'Dea is a free agent so no fee would be involved, just his salary would count against the budget cap. I suspect we would still hold his rights in MLS, I'm not sure if he would count as a discovery signing.

[Pint]

A player who loves the city, realizes how well the players are treated here and has a wealth of experence? whats not to like. If we can find a cap # that works I would welcome him back with open arms.

[Ivy]

Somebody, anybody, PLEASE explain to me what's going on with all this ODea love lately? Where is it coming from?
People were ready to run him out of town last year, and now it sounds like he's our saviour.

He wasn't good enough then, and he isnt good enough now. And frankly, he's a bit of a douche towards fans.

[zorsofstesab]

O'Dea for Caldwell maybe.....both starters at centre back? No chance. Caldwell in the air is good but tracking defenders and staying a step ahead of them forget it. He is horrible. If you ask me so is Henry. One of your centre backs need to be a bruiser while the other needs to be skilled with the mind set as an attacking mid would be. Good foot skills who can distribute the ball both short and long and who anticipates before the ball is played. Heck my 13 year old girls team has one of each and what a sight to see. In all the years we have never had a player of this caliber which is why we suck year in, year out. The more people like the pairing together makes me cringe. If this happens then we are in for a long season next year......

[ag futbol]

Not to be dismissive, but when other teams are readily pulling better defenders out of South and Central America why go after something less?

I don't think bringing back someone in the name of familiarity is the answer. It's like we always say with TFC: don't reinvent the wheel, just do what the rest of the league does.

[TorontoGooner]

O'Dea for Caldwell maybe.....both starters at centre back? No chance. Caldwell in the air is good but tracking defenders and staying a step ahead of them forget it. He is horrible. If you ask me so is Henry. One of your centre backs need to be a bruiser while the other needs to be skilled with the mind set as an attacking mid would be. Good foot skills who can distribute the ball both short and long and who anticipates before the ball is played. Heck my 13 year old girls team has one of each and what a sight to see. In all the years we have never had a player of this caliber which is why we suck year in, year out. The more people like the pairing together makes me cringe. If this happens then we are in for a long season next year......

I get your point but our biggest flaw is the way our players read the game (or rather don'). I don't like the idea of defenders being overly skilled on the ball. All too often last year Hagglund and Henry were caught out when trying to be too cute on the ball. Get rid of the thing.

They're are not pretty to watch. But so many times in recent memory we've chucked games away based on stupid, inexperienced mistakes that simply put older players don't make. Yes, their distribution is poor and they aren't exactly Messi on the ball, but their job title is exactly what they are there to do. Defend. Caldwell and O'Dea would do exactly that. Both are hardly perfect, but I don;t want to nurture young, undiscovered talent anymore. I want to seal out football matches and not piss points away.

[jloome]

Not to be dismissive, but when other teams are readily pulling better defenders out of South and Central America why go after something less?

I don't think bringing back someone in the name of familiarity is the answer. It's like we always say with TFC: don't reinvent the wheel, just do what the rest of the league does.

O'Dea is a better-than-MLS-average defender and a much better athlete than most in this league; he can play left back, too.

He has brain cramps though and comes across as not a no. 1. With Caldwell next to him directing traffic he'd probably be quite effective but you run the risk of him not accepting Caldwell as being in charge of the backline, too.

He's a good defender by MLS level. He's not the best we can get and he'd be too expensive for what he brings. If he realized he's probably only going to get league one or below in England for salary, he might come in under 250K, in which case I'd say he's worth a shot as Caldwell's partner IF we can't find someone as good who's cheaper either in the league or from a poorer nation.

In other words, to me, he's a last resort, but a pretty good one. And he wasn't shitty to fans here; not sure where anyone got that idea. He was very appreciative of Toronto and talked frequently about how much he loved the city and fans, even when he'd left.

[ag futbol]

I think we disagree on this one. O'dea on half the money is still more than what other teams in this league pay for good defenders.

Still consider him average at best. He's gaf prone (still) for a guy in his late 20s. Not what I'd want back there.

[mowe]

I think we disagree on this one. O'dea on half the money is still more than what other teams in this league pay for good defenders.

Still consider him average at best. He's gaf prone (still) for a guy in his late 20s. Not what I'd want back there.
Agreed 100%. Plus him and Caldwell would be way too slow for MLS.

In any case this is all moot because there has been zero indication from TFC that they want to bring him back. Plus O'Dea said he's close to signing with a club in England.

O'Dea is a nice guy but we need to move on.

[TorontoGooner]

I think we disagree on this one. O'dea on half the money is still more than what other teams in this league pay for good defenders.

Still consider him average at best. He's gaf prone (still) for a guy in his late 20s. Not what I'd want back there.

Absolutely. Our debate is rather irrelevant as he isn't coming anyways!

[Smokecell]

I rated O'Dea but there is a reason the Irish Nat supporters call him O'Dear and I think we all witnessed that. At the right price I'd welcome him back but I don't think he takes us to the next level at all

[Ruffian]

I rated O'Dea but there is a reason the Irish Nat supporters call him O'Dear and I think we all witnessed that. At the right price I'd welcome him back but I don't think he takes us to the next level at all

He has the skills of a full back and he would be best as a left back, but we already have Morrow in that position.

[Areathrasher]

So according to David Rowaan of Waking the Red

This fella will be training with TFC in preseason and should end up on the USLPro squad http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Pint-sized-Davis-relishing-trial-stint-at-Levante_14012067

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Martin-Davis--Harbour-View-s-promising-teenager

http://hvfc.net/news/martin-davis-returns-from-successful-toronto-fc-academy-trial/#.VHSs_fnIamc

Slim pickings for news at the moment but there ya go.

[sashavukelich]

haha not one of those articles claims he's coming to TFC for training/Trial. he has however been to france and spain for trials.

[Areathrasher]

haha not one of those articles claims he's coming to TFC for training/Trial. he has however been to france and spain for trials.

You might want to re-read the last one then.

It's headline, just so you dont miss it again...


Martin Davis returns from successful Toronto FC Academy trial

[sashavukelich]

hahaha oh dear! i just read the top 2.

[flamehawk]

Wynne has been released. I know many will disagree but I would love to have him back.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Wynne has been released. I know many will disagree but I would love to have him back.

He just played the most mins in a season in his entire career. It doesn't look like they couldn't use him. Must've been $$$.

[Yohan]

Wynne has been released. I know many will disagree but I would love to have him back.
he has not been released. just his option not picked up. Colorado may renegotiate Wynne's contract. And if no, Wynne goes to re entry draft

[Ruffian]

he has not been released. just his option not picked up. Colorado may renegotiate Wynne's contract. And if no, Wynne goes to re entry draft

No such thing as free agency in MLS!

[RealG-TFC]

Wynne has been released. I know many will disagree but I would love to have him back.

So many ex-TFC players having their options declined in Colorado:

Wynne
Buddle
LaBrocca
Agboss

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/25/colorado-rapids-decline-options-mls-veterans-edson-buddle-marvell-wynne

[Dub Narcotic]

Nathan Sturgis is available too! Wynne would not be the worst signing, although you could not count on him as a starter.

[portu]

andrew driver available? option off the bench and decent one v one threat

[jloome]

andrew driver available? option off the bench and decent one v one threat

Good player but might not take a paycut, given that he can get a decent wage back home.

[freshfreshfresh]

You might want to re-read the last one then.

It's headline, just so you dont miss it again...

[/h]

Looks like a done deal, he posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/_MartinDrapes/status/537059511841075200

[sashavukelich]

Man, there are so many good players released. Carlos Alvarez went like 2nd in the 2013 Draft to Chivas, Andrew Driver, Wynne, Sal Zizzo, Andy Gruenebaum etc etc... Hopefully TFC can secure some real talent.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Looks like a done deal, he posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/_MartinDrapes/status/537059511841075200

Hilarious shes my old ticket rep, a real sweetheart

[OgtheDim]

Until the expansion draft, no use picking somebody up that you actually want.

[Yohan]

Looks like a done deal, he posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/_MartinDrapes/status/537059511841075200
http://www.wakingthered.com/2014/11/26/7280241/martin-davis-to-join-toronto-fc-system-in-january

Kid has a Canadian dad, so will count as a domestic. Good to expand the talent pool, even if this will piss off some Voyageurs

[Shway]

http://www.wakingthered.com/2014/11/26/7280241/martin-davis-to-join-toronto-fc-system-in-january

Kid has a Canadian dad, so will count as a domestic. Good to expand the talent pool, even if this will piss off some Voyageurs

With his Dad being Canadian can he still potentially play for Canada?

As much as I consider myself pro Voyaguer, this stuff needs to continue to happen

[Yohan]

With his Dad being Canadian can he still potentially play for Canada?

As much as I consider myself pro Voyaguer, this stuff needs to continue to happen
he'll have to file a one time switch, if I read the rules correctly.

don't see this kid playing for Canada though

[jloome]

he'll have to file a one time switch, if I read the rules correctly.

don't see this kid playing for Canada though

Has he been capped for anyone?

[Yohan]

Has he been capped for anyone?
Jamaica youth teams

[razor787]

http://www.wakingthered.com/2014/11/26/7280241/martin-davis-to-join-toronto-fc-system-in-january

Kid has a Canadian dad, so will count as a domestic. Good to expand the talent pool, even if this will piss off some Voyageurs

I don't know how I'd feel about that. Would be quite hypocritical of us to hope he gets capped for Canada.

[Shway]

I don't know how I'd feel about that. Would be quite hypocritical of us to hope he gets capped for Canada.

Who cares....we only say this because it happens to us all the time.
It would be nice to be on the positive end....if you know what I mean:D

[notthesun]

SKC struggling to re-sign Collin under the cap: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/26/sporting-kc-working-bring-aurelien-collin-back-peter-vermes-warns-cap-casualty

No brainer signing for me if he's available, I just don't know exactly how he'd be available to us in the wacky world of MLS "free agency".

[Richard]

Well the cap is going up so I assume they could sign him once it does.

[Marc"2L"]

SKC struggling to re-sign Collin under the cap: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/26/sporting-kc-working-bring-aurelien-collin-back-peter-vermes-warns-cap-casualty

No brainer signing for me if he's available, I just don't know exactly how he'd be available to us in the wacky world of MLS "free agency".

it would be either the "holy hell quit sucking" allocation or "for the love of god, stop bleeding money" random super secret draw.
With Chivas gone, we're number 1 in the first, and the only team ever to be part of the second.

[AdamAM]

Am I the only one that doesn't want Collin at ALL? Every time he plays us he's a massive fucking douche, and if you watch MLS Games in Six you get to see even more of his stellar personality. He's just asking for someone to knock him out. Biggest cunt in MLS imo.

[Yohan]

Am I the only one that doesn't want Collin at ALL? Every time he plays us he's a massive fucking douche, and if you watch MLS Games in Six you get to see even more of his stellar personality. He's just asking for someone to knock him out. Biggest cunt in MLS imo.
amado guevara was one of biggest douchebags in MLS too. you perform, your supporters won't hate you (well, in most cases)

[jazzy]

Am I the only one that doesn't want Collin at ALL? Every time he plays us he's a massive fucking douche, and if you watch MLS Games in Six you get to see even more of his stellar personality. He's just asking for someone to knock him out. Biggest cunt in MLS imo.

spot on , a walking disaster.....why do we want all the has beens?

[jazzy]

amado guevara was one of biggest douchebags in MLS too. you perform, your supporters won't hate you (well, in most cases)

not really , met him and he was really quite shy , just loves the game from his 'style' of central american soccer . He is still may be the best we ever had .......time will tell .

[Yohan]

not really , met him and he was really quite shy , just loves the game from his 'style' of central american soccer . He is still may be the best we ever had .......time will tell .
on the pitch, he was quite a wanker (well, esp before his TFC days)

[AdamAM]

on the pitch, he was quite a wanker (well, esp before his TFC days)

I don't recall him ever being a dick, but I feel like if it came from him it was more just because of his passion for the game. Collin is a straight up thug.

[Yohan]

I don't recall him ever being a dick, but I feel like if it came from him it was more just because of his passion for the game. Collin is a straight up thug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBc9JRw3iNo

I don't even want to get into the antics he used to pull while playing for Honduras

[OgtheDim]

We need a level headed CD that will lead the back line in 2016 and beyond.

Collin is not that guy.

[Kamp Berg]

Does anyone know what's happening with Torres? I know him coming here would probably never happen, but he is a great talent, and so young!

[Joe Kool]

Am I the only one that doesn't want Collin at ALL? Every time he plays us he's a massive fucking douche, and if you watch MLS Games in Six you get to see even more of his stellar personality. He's just asking for someone to knock him out. Biggest cunt in MLS imo.

You are not the only one. He seems like an ass every game I have watched him. I don't want any asses on the team.

[Yohan]

You are not the only one. He seems like an ass every game I have watched him. I don't want any asses on the team.
he's mostly an ass on the pitch. but he wins games. we're not in position to turn down winners

[Canary10]

Collin is good for some goals every year, he's tough, and he's not old. If you want an experienced MLS centre half, I don't know why you wouldn't want him.

[Ivy]

he's mostly an ass on the pitch. but he wins games. we're not in position to turn down winners
I agree - I don't like him being an ass when he plays against us; but I wouldn't mind having his personality on my side. Hes very smart with his challanges. He gets a feel for the ref, and then hovers on the fine line.

[gdg_9]

As always in a budget league, it comes down to value.
For the right price, I'd take him.

But for what he's rumoured to be seeking (approaching DP-level money), NO THANKS!

[Red I]

My money is Montreal goes hard after him - French speaking, MLS vet, fills biggest area of need, willing to overpay

[TFC/Everton]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/489836368873287680/0jHTlqu__bigger.jpegJohn Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) now1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/538049853818150913)
MLSE source tells me #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) talking to Real Salt Lake GM Garth Lagerway about club president position. Story soon on Sportsnet.ca. @Sportsnet (https://twitter.com/Sportsnet)

[Alonso]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/489836368873287680/0jHTlqu__bigger.jpegJohn Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) now1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/538049853818150913)
MLSE source tells me #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) talking to Real Salt Lake GM Garth Lagerway about club president position. Story soon on Sportsnet.ca. @Sportsnet (https://twitter.com/Sportsnet)


Really...

That could be interesting... That organization has done the do year after year.

[ag futbol]

That's about as good of a story as we could ever hope for.

[Yohan]

Lagerwey as president with Tim B as GM?
I can live with that

[pdubs]

$$$ talks

[OgtheDim]

Really...

That could be interesting... That organization has done the do year after year.

Kind of....they have to make a massive turnover this off season, for the first time since they started to climb up.

[jazzy]

on the pitch, he was quite a wanker (well, esp before his TFC days)

true, but as soon as he's ours we love it :)

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Duane Rollins suggesting that Collin is a distinct possibility for TFC. Im totally ok with it. Hes a great player. Dont care if hes a dick to opposing players on the field. Feel certain his red cards arent that high too.

[OgtheDim]

Duane Rollins suggesting that Collin is a distinct possibility for TFC. ...

Of course he is.....we've been discussing it.


:seeya:

[Ossington Mental Youth]

lulz

[WestStandGeoff]

Og wins the internets today!

[Ivy]

Id love Collin here. If TFC don't pay him the 325k or whatever he wants, somebody else will, and that'll be a huge loss for us.
My heart is telling me IMFC will land him, and he's going to be a headache for us.
Plus, TFC has a BOAT load of allocation, USE IT. The defoe sale is going to bring in even more.

[portu]

If we actually sign Essien to DP money I'll be so pissed

[Canary10]

If we actually sign Essien to DP money I'll be so pissed

I really liked Essien in his day, but he's long past his day. This could be another Mista.

[Yohan]

Id love Collin here. If TFC don't pay him the 325k or whatever he wants, somebody else will, and that'll be a huge loss for us.
My heart is telling me IMFC will land him, and he's going to be a headache for us.
Plus, TFC has a BOAT load of allocation, USE IT. The defoe sale is going to bring in even more.
I also have a hunch Collin is going to Montreal

[TFC/Everton]

Interesting tweet from Taylor Twellman last night. He suggests the number of DP will increase this year. 4 DPs? 5 DPs?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/516894189590949888/-jRiS4gg_normal.jpegTaylor Twellman @TaylorTwellman (https://twitter.com/TaylorTwellman) · 12h12 hours ago (https://twitter.com/TaylorTwellman/status/538532739218030593)

It will NOT be 3 I promise you that. RT @GMD0012 (https://twitter.com/GMD0012): @TaylorTwellman (https://twitter.com/TaylorTwellman) what do you think of the odds of MLS moving to 5 DPs after this CBA?

[Pint]

Would be interesting but I feel that if a 4th or 5th were added they would be specific ie 1 must be domestic or young etc

[TFC/Everton]

Good point. But since we have Bradley as a DP, he might fit into that domestic slot.

[Shway]

Well wouldnt this suck. And I would say be d management from TFC, they should've loaned laba out of the league. Because hes the one of three players were missing

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[Voodooman]

Woo! No more Jeremy Hall!

[Red CB Toronto]

The Reds picked up the option on 15 players today. They also declined it on four, Toronto FC has declined options on defender Ryan Richter; midfielder Jeremy Hall; forwards Dwayne De Rosario and Andrew Wiedeman. In addition, forward Bright Dike’s contract will expire at the end of the season. All players listed are eligible for the re-entry draft.

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/11/toronto-fc-exercise-options-15-players

[Red CB Toronto]

Not surprise at all on Wieds, Hall and Richter who all played very little if at all during the 2014 season.

[lintberg]

I guess that means no more DeRo.

[AdamAM]

at least Jo Ham is back :hump:

[notthesun]

DeRo can still negotiate a new contract with us before the Re-Entry Draft. He's the only one of those whose options were declined that I see being a possibility there. If we're still interested in him, declining his option means we felt his option salary was too high so we'll try to sign him at a lower price. But this may very well be the end of the line for him.

I'm surprised Morgan survived, and I'm sad we're pushing Dike out. Don't understand why Vanney doesn't like him, and Dike has had such rotten luck that I actually do hope this comes back to bite us in the ass because that would mean he's playing well somewhere else in the league.

In other news, Jordan Hamilton has been recalled from his loan in Portugal, and Orr & Henry are both returning to their parent clubs (Blackburn and Apollon Limassol respectively). Orr is gone, remains to be seen what happens with Henry next year.

In other other news, FC Dallas declined options on a number of players today as well, including Jair Benitez and George John. Same with NYRB, declining Convey, Eckersley, Sene and Sekagya, although Sekagya is expected to re-sign at a lower rate.

[Joe Kool]

They made it sound like almost a sure thing to have Doneil here next season still but guess not. We will need to pick up a couple CB's I think for sure. Caldwell is getting older and Hagglund is still young and learning.

[gmacpheetfc]

Hagglund is still shit.

[ManUtd4ever]

Hagglund is an outstanding prospect that was miscast in a starting role last season. He was one of our best defenders in the first half and faded down the stretch, which is to be expected of a rookie.

In any event, we need to add at least one solid starting CB and a competent backup.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I'm surprised Morgan survived, and I'm sad we're pushing Dike out. Don't understand why Vanney doesn't like him, and Dike has had such rotten luck that I actually do hope this comes back to bite us in the ass because that would mean he's playing well somewhere else in the league.



Um I think Dike has already bit us. Not his fault but we didn't get what we got him for. I don't wish him harm but I don't wish he's hurt us. Hope he does well against everybody else.

[Damien]

Kinda glad DeRo is gone... at $200,000 he's a waste of bench space.
Hopefully he just retires and becomes a coach with TFC.

[Canary10]

Kinda glad DeRo is gone... at $200,000 he's a waste of bench space.
Hopefully he just retires and becomes a coach with TFC.

A scout?

[19Barrett19]

glad to see the core remains. is also glad to see that Hall is gone. Oduro will be unprotected also I think Bekker will be unprotected along with Warner Konopka Morgan.

Tfc will protect
defoe
Bradley
Osorio
gilberto
bendik
haglund
bloom
Jackson
Moore
Hamilton
Caldwell

Just a hunch

[Phil]

^^^ Warner will be protected. Bez had said he is the most called upon player on the roster, so he holds high value in the league.

I guess we won't know for sure until the lists go out for the pick up draft though.

[notthesun]

Uhhh okay, so I guess Henry is gone then: http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/12/henry-embarks-new-journey-europe

The narrative in that article is a bit overdone. Henry has apparently realized his dream... to play in Cyprus.

I do hope this is all a ploy by West Ham to get him in England by 2016.

We need some CBs.

[Hieberrr]

We need CBs and a competent midfield.

[RealG-TFC]

Uhhh okay, so I guess Henry is gone then: http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/12/henry-embarks-new-journey-europe

The narrative in that article is a bit overdone. Henry has apparently realized his dream... to play in Cyprus.

I do hope this is all a ploy by West Ham to get him in England by 2016.

We need some CBs.

Well, there certainly are a few pluses:

Toronto - High of 5°C, Low of -3°C
Limassol - High of 23°C, Low of 16°C

[MartinUtd]

If DeRo is in fact gone and not renegotiating his contract it'd be cool to see him sign somewhere like Ottawa and still take a crack at the Voyagers cup.

[ag futbol]

^^^ Warner will be protected. Bez had said he is the most called upon player on the roster, so he holds high value in the league.

I guess we won't know for sure until the lists go out for the pick up draft though.
I'd be shocked if they didn't protect Crevalle as well. That sort of versatility has big value within the league. Jackson and Moore are not worth protecting by comparison.

[MightyDM]

If DeRo is gone, we have lost a game changing option off the bench - like the Chicago game. His energy, vision and skill really made a difference, even if he didn't have game changing pace anymore.

[jloome]

I'd be shocked if they didn't protect Crevalle as well. That sort of versatility has big value within the league. Jackson and Moore are not worth protecting by comparison.

Moore contributed ten points in two thirds of a season. He'd be scooped instantly if we left him unprotected. In this league, he's a good second striker.

[ag futbol]

Moore contributed ten points in two thirds of a season. He'd be scooped instantly if we left him unprotected. In this league, he's a good second striker.
Not a starter on a playoff team, I'd stand by that. He is very replaceable, more so than Crevalle.

[TFC07]

I wonder if DeRo will get an assistant coaching gig with TFC USL Pro team?

Honestly, DeRo looks slow and old out there. DeRo signing was more PR move than anything else to show fanbase that culture has changed in TFC club.

[ManUtd4ever]

I dunno. I thought DeRo was still effective as a late game sub. I would take him back in that role at a reduced salary if he was willing.

[Shway]

My list of protected and unprotect players for the expansion drafts:





Name
Base Salary
Status


1
GK
Chris Konopka
60,000.00
Unprotect


8
MF
Kyle Bekker
51,150.00
Unprotect


12
GK
Joe Bendik
140,000.00
Unprotect


23
FW
Dominic Oduro
250,000.00
Unprotect


26
MF
Collen Warner
115,500.00
Unprotect


35
MF
Daniel Lovitz
36,504.00
Unprotect


-
MF
Marco Delgado
75,000.00
Unprotect


5
DF
Ashtone Morgan (HGP)
80,000.00
Protected


20
MF
Chris Mannella (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


22
FW
Jordan Hamilton (HGP)
60,000.00
Protected


34
MF
Manny Aparicio (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


40
GK
Quillian Roberts (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


2
DF
Justin Morrow
160,000.00
Protect


3
MF
Warren Creavalle
90,000.00
Protect


4
MF
Michael Bradley (DP
6,000,000.00
Protect


9
FW
Gilberto (DP)
1,145,000.00
Protect


11
MF
Jackson
150,000.00
Protect


13
DF
Steven Caldwell
325,000.00
Protect


17
DF
Nick Hagglund
48,500.00
Protect


18
FW
Jermaine Defoe
6,000,000.00
Protect


21
MF
Jonathan Osorio
135,000.00
Protect


27
FW
Luke Moore
120,000.00
Protect


28
DF
Mark Bloom
48,825.00
Protect




Reasons:
GK'S: NY & Orlando have a proven GK in Josh Saunders, and Tally Hall already on their roster, and Bendik is no better than them.
Bekker: Orlando already has a bunch of young internationals on their roster, and wouldn't be willing to use it on him, as would NY.
Oduro: Too pricey, for his production rate
Warner: Never rated him, and want him to get picked by his former coach so we get garber bucks.
Lovitz: Unproved rookie entering his sophmore year, likely won't get picked
Delgado: Was passed by NYC and Orlando in the chivas dispersal draft

[Smokecell]

Morgan signed a new contract along with Henry so I don't believe HGP status covers him for the expansion draft. He will need to be protected (or not). Personally I would leave him unprotected and Caldwell too - if we could unload that contract, which is highly unlikely, it would give us room to find better and cheaper long term solutions. Highly doubt either club takes a swipe at him though. Can't see Warner being left unprotected.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

I think we will see Dero back at a lower paycheck. I'd be shocked if he was just let go like that after all that was said and done

[C.Ronaldo]

I think we will see Dero back at a lower paycheck. I'd be shocked if he was just let go like that after all that was said and done

agreed, DERO is a game changer even at his age.

if the salary cap wasnt as low as it was , it wouldnt even be a question

[DeRo Fan #1]

I hope they renegotiate DeRo's contract and bring him back.
He's two appearances short of 100.
And he can still make a difference off the bench.

[moralis]

Seems Tim Bez has other plans for Dero that doesn't include him playing with TFC. Even though he wants to continue playing next season:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-declines-contract-option-on-dwayne-de-rosario/article21904833/

[flamehawk]

Seems Tim Bez has other plans for Dero that doesn't include him playing with TFC. Even though he wants to continue playing next season:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/toronto-fc-declines-contract-option-on-dwayne-de-rosario/article21904833/

I just really want Dero to have the opportunity to surpass 100 games for TFC. I still think he has what it takes to contribute in some form albeit at a lower cap hit. Makes me even more pissed that Nelsen didn't use him more.

[TFCwestcan]

My list of protected and unprotect players for the expansion drafts:





Name
Base Salary
Status


1
GK
Chris Konopka
60,000.00
Unprotect


8
MF
Kyle Bekker
51,150.00
Unprotect


12
GK
Joe Bendik
140,000.00
Unprotect


23
FW
Dominic Oduro
250,000.00
Unprotect


26
MF
Collen Warner
115,500.00
Unprotect


35
MF
Daniel Lovitz
36,504.00
Unprotect


-
MF
Marco Delgado
75,000.00
Unprotect


5
DF
Ashtone Morgan (HGP)
80,000.00
Protected


20
MF
Chris Mannella (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


22
FW
Jordan Hamilton (HGP)
60,000.00
Protected


34
MF
Manny Aparicio (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


40
GK
Quillian Roberts (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


2
DF
Justin Morrow
160,000.00
Protect


3
MF
Warren Creavalle
90,000.00
Protect


4
MF
Michael Bradley (DP
6,000,000.00
Protect


9
FW
Gilberto (DP)
1,145,000.00
Protect


11
MF
Jackson
150,000.00
Protect


13
DF
Steven Caldwell
325,000.00
Protect


17
DF
Nick Hagglund
48,500.00
Protect


18
FW
Jermaine Defoe
6,000,000.00
Protect


21
MF
Jonathan Osorio
135,000.00
Protect


27
FW
Luke Moore
120,000.00
Protect


28
DF
Mark Bloom
48,825.00
Protect




Reasons:
GK'S: NY & Orlando have a proven GK in Josh Saunders, and Tally Hall already on their roster, and Bendik is no better than them.
Bekker: Orlando already has a bunch of young internationals on their roster, and wouldn't be willing to use it on him, as would NY.
Oduro: Too pricey, for his production rate
Warner: Never rated him, and want him to get picked by his former coach so we get garber bucks.
Lovitz: Unproved rookie entering his sophmore year, likely won't get picked
Delgado: Was passed by NYC and Orlando in the chivas dispersal draft

I have to think that you don't send Warner to Germany if you don't want to keep him, but you never know. I rate too Creavalle higher as he a decent utility guy.

[KGH]

My list of protected and unprotect players for the expansion drafts:





Name
Base Salary
Status


1
GK
Chris Konopka
60,000.00
Unprotect


8
MF
Kyle Bekker
51,150.00
Unprotect


12
GK
Joe Bendik
140,000.00
Unprotect


23
FW
Dominic Oduro
250,000.00
Unprotect


26
MF
Collen Warner
115,500.00
Unprotect


35
MF
Daniel Lovitz
36,504.00
Unprotect


-
MF
Marco Delgado
75,000.00
Unprotect


5
DF
Ashtone Morgan (HGP)
80,000.00
Protected


20
MF
Chris Mannella (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


22
FW
Jordan Hamilton (HGP)
60,000.00
Protected


34
MF
Manny Aparicio (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


40
GK
Quillian Roberts (HGP)
36,504.00
Protected


2
DF
Justin Morrow
160,000.00
Protect


3
MF
Warren Creavalle
90,000.00
Protect


4
MF
Michael Bradley (DP
6,000,000.00
Protect


9
FW
Gilberto (DP)
1,145,000.00
Protect


11
MF
Jackson
150,000.00
Protect


13
DF
Steven Caldwell
325,000.00
Protect


17
DF
Nick Hagglund
48,500.00
Protect


18
FW
Jermaine Defoe
6,000,000.00
Protect


21
MF
Jonathan Osorio
135,000.00
Protect


27
FW
Luke Moore
120,000.00
Protect


28
DF
Mark Bloom
48,825.00
Protect




Reasons:
GK'S: NY & Orlando have a proven GK in Josh Saunders, and Tally Hall already on their roster, and Bendik is no better than them.
Bekker: Orlando already has a bunch of young internationals on their roster, and wouldn't be willing to use it on him, as would NY.
Oduro: Too pricey, for his production rate
Warner: Never rated him, and want him to get picked by his former coach so we get garber bucks.
Lovitz: Unproved rookie entering his sophmore year, likely won't get picked
Delgado: Was passed by NYC and Orlando in the chivas dispersal draft

As bad as the optics would be I think you leave Caldwell unprotected and protect Warner. Caldwell on $325k teams will pass on. Warner on $115k is a good price for what he brings to the table.

[evermorian]

As bad as the optics would be I think you leave Caldwell unprotected and protect Warner. Caldwell on $325k teams will pass on. Warner on $115k is a good price for what he brings to the table.

Do the protect/unprotect rules apply to DP's? If you leave our DP's unprotected, can they be picked up or do different rules apply to them?

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Do the protect/unprotect rules apply to DP's? If you leave our DP's unprotected, can they be picked up or do different rules apply to them?

some dps have a no moving clause attached to their contract so they have to be protected

[OgtheDim]

From the sounds of that Neil Davidson interview, DeRo is gone as a player and Henry could be back on loan (again, sort of).

[Shway]

Morgan signed a new contract along with Henry so I don't believe HGP status covers him for the expansion draft. He will need to be protected (or not). Personally I would leave him unprotected and Caldwell too - if we could unload that contract, which is highly unlikely, it would give us room to find better and cheaper long term solutions. Highly doubt either club takes a swipe at him though. Can't see Warner being left unprotected.

I don't know if this is how the rules are for HGPs, but if it is.. Thats stupid

HGPs should always be exempt from the cap. It puts an incentive on producing, developing, and keeping local talent.

[gdg_9]

Morgan signed a new contract along with Henry so I don't believe HGP status covers him for the expansion draft. He will need to be protected (or not). Personally I would leave him unprotected and Caldwell too - if we could unload that contract, which is highly unlikely, it would give us room to find better and cheaper long term solutions. Highly doubt either club takes a swipe at him though. Can't see Warner being left unprotected.


I don't know if this is how the rules are for HGPs, but if it is.. Thats stupid

HGPs should always be exempt from the cap. It puts an incentive on producing, developing, and keeping local talent.

Davidson's article lists Morgan, along with Aparicio, Hamilton, Manella, and Roberts as HG Players, suggesting that they do not need to be protected.

[sully]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/english/2014/1204/664657-odea-lands-contract-with-blackpool/

O'Dea signs with Blackpool

[Yohan]

Till 4 jan. He's looking for options

[Auzzy]

Do the protect/unprotect rules apply to DP's? If you leave our DP's unprotected, can they be picked up or do different rules apply to them?


some dps have a no moving clause attached to their contract so they have to be protected

DPs are essentially like other players when it comes to the expansion draft & protecting them. If they have a no-trade clause in their contract, you have to put them on the protected list. If you feel a DP is not a good value at their current contract, or that you wouldn't mind losing them for any reason, then you leave them unprotected. That's why JDG was left unprotected twice I believe.

Otherwise you'll want to protect them. Someone like Defoe, even if he won't be back & even if he doesn't have a no-trade clause -- if he has trade value, you also want to protect him. Otherwise one of the new teams snags him, just to make a deal with a team from the UK.

[kuku]

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[jloome]

Good signing by Orlando. Guy will score buckets.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/04/report-orlando-city-acquires-20-year-old-colombian-carlos-rivas-deportivo-cali

[portu]

pisses me off that a guy like nat borchers gets traded and its not to us

we better have a guy already lined up

[ag futbol]

For allocation money too.... Holly shit.

[AdamAM]

Borchers is easy top 10 CB in this league, probably closer to top 5. That this was done for only allocation is ridiculous.

[Yohan]

Borchers is like 34

[Ruffian]

Borchers is like 34

And had a bad year. If we would have gotten him, this would have been a typical TFC move.

[Canary10]

People would rather Borchers than Collin? I don't want any lumbersexuals on this team.

[portu]

its not that i want borchers more than collin its that a guy like borchers can get traded and our gm is not even in the conversation for him.

[Canary10]

its not that i want borchers more than collin its that a guy like borchers can get traded and our gm is not even in the conversation for him.

In fairness, we don't know the conversations. But yeah, there's been a CB like him available pretty every season and we've never landed one.

[Areathrasher]

Seattle declined Eriq Zavaletas contract.

Maybe Uncle Greg will pick him up...

[Ultra & Proud]

In fairness, we don't know the conversations. But yeah, there's been a CB like him available pretty every season and we've never landed one.
True but if I were Bez, I'd wait to see what's available in the re-entry draft before tossing out allocation and eating the full salaries of 34 year old CBs. That's where he would have ended up anyway.

[Canary10]

True but if I were Bez, I'd wait to see what's available in the re-entry draft before tossing out allocation and eating the full salaries of 34 year old CBs. That's where he would have ended up anyway.

Yeah me too. Plus, like I said, no lumbersexuals on this team.

http://gearjunkie.com/images/19985.jpghttp://www.azkicksit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Nat-Borchers.jpg

[moralis]

Argentine CM/DM Guillermo Farre could be signing with Toronto Fc after receiving a firm offer, also interest from Montreal Impact: Last Argentinian league game for his club team is this Saturday.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/guillermo-martin-farre/profil/spieler/76147

http://www.espnfc.com/player/118761/guillermo-farr%C3%A9

English:

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/futbol/farre-estaria-en-la-mira-de-un-club-de-canada-se-despide-de-belgrano&prev=search

Spanish:

http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/futbol/farre-estaria-en-la-mira-de-un-club-de-canada-se-despide-de-belgrano

[portu]

just throwing a couple names out there

Dmitri Payet -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMaBJsXE-V4
Danny -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmqmqCfwKic

[OgtheDim]

Argentine CM/DM Guillermo Farre could be signing with Toronto Fc after receiving a firm offer, also interest from Montreal Impact: Last Argentinian league game for his club team is this Saturday.

...


A 33 year old to play as a DM? No thanks.

[ensco]

A 33 year old to play as a DM? No thanks.

They're bringing him in to compete with Bradley, Warner, Creavalle and Essien for the DM spot.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

I would assume that Warner will be picked in expansion draft, Essien is a non starter and Creavalle is a back up (if Ensco isnt being sarcastic, which i think theres at least a hint of)

[Ossington Mental Youth]

also we could be playing a midfield diamond

[evermorian]

They're bringing him in to compete with Bradley, Warner, Creavalle and Essien for the DM spot. Is Essien actually coming to Toronto?

[Ivy]

Is Essien actually coming to Toronto?
Yah.
He and Laba are landing in Toronto on February 29th; press conference on the 30th.

[ensco]

It was total sarcasm. I don't think Warner will be exposed in draft. What's with the endless DM rumors?

[Fort York Redcoat]

Yah.
He and Laba are landing in Toronto on February 29th; press conference on the 30th.

What time is the press conference and will there be pie?

[Ossington Mental Youth]

It was total sarcasm. I don't think Warner will be exposed in draft. What's with the endless DM rumors?

HAHAHA
agents at work like most TFC rumors these days.

[sidvan]

Yah.
He and Laba are landing in Toronto on February 29th; press conference on the 30th.

What time is the press conference and will there be pie?

Rollerbladers on your marks! No pies - Colin Samuels ate all the pies

[pdubs]

We need CAM rumors not DM

[flamehawk]

http://www.msuspartans.com/collegesportslive/?media=477920#

Michigan vs. Providence

10 minutes to go. Chapman scored in the 69th great goal from some great passing.

[buddies]

We need CAM rumors not DM

True say! ... Anyone who has played and/or coached this game at any level will tell you that you want your midfield addressed first, particularly in central midfield if you want your team to impart their will on a game consistently. We didnt do that with our DP's last year and we paid for it. We had one player on a multi million dollar paycheque partnering someone making somewhere around $100k give or take. The reason Michael Bradley is making the money he is is skill and vision. Bekker or Warner aren't making that kind of money because they don't have the same level of skill and vision which can lead to frustration and pressure to do more for Bradley. Bradley needs a partner that plays and sees the game on his level. I'd even go as far as to say that if the CBA allows a 4th DP next year you want a third central midfielder as a DP too. Whether it's one DM or two in a central triangle (pick your formation if you want to get micro technical), a DP triangle in the middle of the park would have that engine humming and will get you much better results than two DP striker / poachers any day. We need elite players who influence the game in more ways than just scoring goals.

The big difference between elite strikers and decent cheaper one's is that they score more half chances but they still need the service. I believe that an elite central midfield would more than make up for the missed half chances because I'd also expect our one or two elite CAM's to kick in with a few goals to offset a drop up front. I mean name a midfielder that we have that we expect to score in the neighbourhood of 10 goals and are pissed off that he didn't? Add to that the fact that the service to the cheaper strike force would improve exponentially meaning even if their conversion rate is lower, they'd still bag quite a few due to a greater number of chances ... just my two cents worth with respect to where we should target our money ...

[Defoe]

Argentine CM/DM Guillermo Farre could be signing with Toronto Fc after receiving a firm offer, also interest from Montreal Impact: Last Argentinian league game for his club team is this Saturday.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/guillermo-martin-farre/profil/spieler/76147

http://www.espnfc.com/player/118761/guillermo-farr%C3%A9

English:

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/futbol/farre-estaria-en-la-mira-de-un-club-de-canada-se-despide-de-belgrano&prev=search

Spanish:

http://mundod.lavoz.com.ar/futbol/farre-estaria-en-la-mira-de-un-club-de-canada-se-despide-de-belgrano

He's a 70 on fifa 15, must be pretty good. I would rather younger plays though

[ag futbol]

It was total sarcasm. I don't think Warner will be exposed in draft. What's with the endless DM rumors?
Warner has not shown he's capable of defending a backline the way the best defensiveids do in this league. Positioning questionable, guard dog mentality absent. He's too soft.