TFC 2014-15 Off-Season player moves/speculation/rumours/etc. thread

[Areathrasher]

David Rowaan ‏@soccercanada (https://twitter.com/soccercanada) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/soccercanada/status/557735504415039488)
The faction of TFC fans who are sick of Kyle Bekker may be happy tomorrow.

Don't know if that just commenting on the other tweet or his own info

[OgtheDim]

Bekker to Dallas?

@4totera Sources tell me tomorrow Kyle Bekker of TFC will be send to FC Dallas Good Luck to Kyle a proud Canadian.


Matt Hedges please.

[Ivy]

Totera is usually good. I believe it.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Bekker for what? Have to admit i didnt see much in him, dunno if its cus he was or wasnt being used properly. Curious to see if he blooms down in Texas. More curious to see what we get for him.

[reggie]

Probs allo..

[mowe]

Bekker has talent but it was never going to work out here. Wonder what we get back.

[Areathrasher]

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 38s39 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/557738047769681921)
NEWS: Toronto FC's Kyle Bekker is off to FC Dallas via trade. Can't confirm, but doesn't look like a player is coming back the other way.

[OgtheDim]

Well it ain't going to be Hedges (he is there captain) but I would take Victor Ulloa.


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He's not worth an international spot though. :confused:

[ag futbol]

I think it's probably the best move for all involved. he can now focus on improving without the expectations on him in the background. This might be his last good shot at a MLS gig though.

[Soccerpro]

Good riddance to Bekker. I show more intensity sitting on the toilet than he does on the pitch.

[Areathrasher]

Well it ain't going to be Hedges (he is there captain) but I would take Victor Ulloa.


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He's not worth an international spot though. :confused:

Bekker? You notice Dallas took Hoillett today too?

Makes you thing those Canadian roster spots maybe coming.

[TFC07]

Bekker is a good technical player who can fit into Dallas style of play. This is good move for Bekker personally and he should do better in Dallas.

[reggie]

according to kurt...its allo coming back

[TFC07]

Bekker? You notice Dallas took Hoillett today too?

Makes you thing those Canadian roster spots maybe coming.

Good point. RSL drafted a Canadian player as well.

[OgtheDim]

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/557741747204554752) UPDATE: Bekker heading to FC Dallas via trade. Allocation coming back the other way. #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) #FCDallas (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FCDallas?src=hash)


So he's worth some Garber bucks.

For those considering when he is liable to score next, that would be on April 18.

[Pint]

Has wanted out for a while, probably best for him to get a change of scenery

[ManUtd4ever]

Bekker had plenty of chances to prove he deserves a spot in the starting lineup, but his play was consistently underwhelming, despite his ability. If he matures in Dallas, he could turn out to be a solid acquisition for that club.

[reggie]

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/557741747204554752) UPDATE: Bekker heading to FC Dallas via trade. Allocation coming back the other way. #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) #FCDallas (https://twitter.com/hashtag/FCDallas?src=hash)


So he's worth some Garber bucks.

For those considering when he is liable to score next, that would be on April 18.
GARGAN, PETERSON, you know BEKKER will score his 1st v TFC:drinking:

[andmat]

This deal make's me happy and it not just because bekker got traded I have been waiting all day for a Deal to Happen :D

[mistercorporate]

:drum::canada::scarf::drinking:

Oh lawd, Bekker's gone! There is hope for Vanney yet!!

P.S. Alright gents, this is my first post on this forum, been lurking here for over a year and post on WTR and other places, exciting times to be a TFC fan!

[ag futbol]

Perhaps lost in all this is that they've mostly re-built this team in the off season, minus a few key parts.

[Defoe]

Perhaps lost in all this is that they've mostly re-built this team in the osseason, minus a few key parts.

TFC or FC Dallas?

[Ivy]

No new rumors today?

Bump

[AdamAM]

With the rate we're acquiring allocation at we could bring in Messi and pay down his DP contract to a league minimum :rolleyes:

[Hieberrr]

We got rid of Bekker for funny money?


Sweeeeeeeeettttt

[notthesun]

I guess this is why we protected him in the expansion draft. Made little sense to me at the time because I never figured he had interest from another team.

Very much doubt this is one of those moves that comes back to bite us later down the line, Bekker unfortunately never showed much of anything in his time here.

[TFC07]

I guess Jay Chapman signing was sign that Bekker's time with TFC was over.

[Marc"2L"]

We get a solid known quality in Al, could be his break out year with the new CBA.

[ensco]

Sold for scraps. A sad footnote to the 2013 draft, where we traded the first then the fourth picks (that were turned into Farrell and then Hurtado, we could have had either) for Bekker and allocation, which was all wasted.

I was a Payne supporter (still think he was the only guy around here who ever tried to do this right, ie Urruti and Laba), but that draft just reeks.

[DeRo Fan #1]

Maybe they can use allocation money to pay off Gilberto's salary so he won't be a DP.

[Initial B]

Sold for scraps. A sad footnote to the 2013 draft, where we traded the first then the fourth picks (that were turned into Farrell and then Hurtado, we could have had either) for Bekker and allocation, which was all wasted.

I was a Payne supporter (still think he was the only guy around here who ever tried to do this right, ie Urruti and Laba), but that draft just reeks.
Wasn't the main reason they traded down the draft was to gain allocation to pay down some of the really bad contracts the previous management had saddled TFC with? They had to dig out from under the shambles that Anselmi, Cochrane, and Mariner left the club in before that trio were turfed (still one of my favourite TFC memories).

[Wince]

we could bring in Messi

I find myself wondering with the money we've overpaid for players, if players like Ronaldo or Messi aren't scratching their heads and thinking how much they'd get by coming over. Seriously. I read yesterday we paying Giovinco TRIPLE what he'd make in Europe. If I'm Messi, I'd be thinking "If he's worth that much over there, what am I worth?"

Of course, MLS would implode under the weight of that salary.

[ensco]

Wasn't the main reason they traded down the draft was to gain allocation to pay down some of the really bad contracts the previous management had saddled TFC with? They had to dig out from under the shambles that Anselmi, Cochrane, and Mariner left the club in before that trio were turfed (still one of my favourite TFC memories).

Yes. But the way I would put it is that they should have spent 2013 in full rebuilding mode, rather than selling future assets for 2013 assets, everyone knew going on what a disaster those contracts were. Instead Payne and Nelsen tried to sign players and compete for the playoffs that year.

I thought about that a bit watching Farrell be a stud for NE in the playoffs.

[ManUtd4ever]

Sold for scraps. A sad footnote to the 2013 draft, where we traded the first then the fourth picks (that were turned into Farrell and then Hurtado, we could have had either) for Bekker and allocation, which was all wasted.

I was a Payne supporter (still think he was the only guy around here who ever tried to do this right, ie Urruti and Laba), but that draft just reeks.

Yes, that particular draft was brutal in retrospect. The fact that Payne gave away Silva for allocation shortly thereafter was the icing on the cake. Terrible asset management.

[Detroit_TFC]

I find myself wondering with the money we've overpaid for players, if players like Ronaldo or Messi aren't scratching their heads and thinking how much they'd get by coming over. Seriously. I read yesterday we paying Giovinco TRIPLE what he'd make in Europe. If I'm Messi, I'd be thinking "If he's worth that much over there, what am I worth?"

Of course, MLS would implode under the weight of that salary.

It's a premium, not a true market value. The premium decreases as more players of quality come, attracted by the premium. Giovinco gets the huge payout for taking the risk (from his point of view). If 15 decent players in their mid-20s currently in top 5 leagues but not getting many minutes say, "give me some of that!" they'll get salaries above their market but not as much.

With limited DP slots, the interested players create competition for the slots, which will offset the premium.

[Initial B]

Yes. But the way I would put it is that they should have spent 2013 in full rebuilding mode, rather than selling future assets for 2013 assets, everyone knew going on what a disaster those contracts were. Instead Payne and Nelsen tried to sign players and compete for the playoffs that year.
Since when did they try to compete for the playoffs? All I remember was Nelsen saying how bad it was going to be and to stick with them because next year would be better. I'm greatful to MLS for parachuting Payne into the organization. Could you image where TFC would be if ABC were still at the helm? Would there even still be a TFC? I shudder to think...

[Walms]

I hope Bekker impress's & gets regular time in Dallas. He never impressed here but if he finds his feet down there he can still be a crucial part of our national team!


Best of luck Kyle!

[ensco]

Since when did they try to compete for the playoffs? All I remember was Nelsen saying how bad it was going to be and to stick with them because next year would be better. I'm greatful to MLS for parachuting Payne into the organization. Could you image where TFC would be if ABC were still at the helm? Would there even still be a TFC? I shudder to think...

Well selling future assets (draft picks and young players) for allocation is what teams on the edge of making the playoffs do. They may not have been saying it, but that was the strategy they were pursuing. They would have called it "competing" which I would understand better if the allocation wasn't wasted on Hogan Ephraim or whoever the hell it was they spent it on.

[Inklink]

I just hated his haircut. And from far away, it looked like Bradley's bald head, which threw me off even more. So.. good riddance :o

Edit..damn I've been here 6 years.

[hulkrogan]

I just hated his haircut. And from far away, it looked like Bradley's bald head, which threw me off even more. So.. good riddance :o

Edit..damn I've been here 6 years.

YES!!

Oh man. This is basically what ran through my head EVERY time he played.

Close up: "Argh! That hair is stupid!"

Field view of the play: "Bradley... what the hell was that play about!?! Oh wait... it was Bekker. Makes sense"

[Wince]

Red Nation Online has this article up about Adam Straith, suggesting we should sign him as defensive help. Not really a rumour though as I haven't heard of any effort/negotiations being made. Still... with the absence of Henry, DeRo, and now Bekker, maybe a little more Canadian content wouldn't go astray.

http://rednationonline.ca/Articles2015/StraithcanaddressTFCslackofdefensivedepth.aspx

[Kamp Berg]

Sounds like a great idea, I've thought a few times watching CNMT games that Adam Straith looked like one of the more competent guys on the field.

[Areathrasher]

I had heard read somewhere that he had talks with 2 Canadian teams but his salary demands were to much

[Red I]

Red Nation Online has this article up about Adam Straith, suggesting we should sign him as defensive help. Not really a rumour though as I haven't heard of any effort/negotiations being made. Still... with the absence of Henry, DeRo, and now Bekker, maybe a little more Canadian content wouldn't go astray.

http://rednationonline.ca/Articles2015/StraithcanaddressTFCslackofdefensivedepth.aspx

The fact he has featured for the CMNT and still hasn't been strongly linked to any of the Canadian MLS teams leads me to believe his wage demands are too high - it may not be crazy high, but I think all the Canadian teams are looking to add at an experienced Centre-Back as an everyday starter, and develop youth defenders, rather than chance it on a young Straith...

[Gazza_55]

I find myself wondering with the money we've overpaid for players, if players like Ronaldo or Messi aren't scratching their heads and thinking how much they'd get by coming over. Seriously. I read yesterday we paying Giovinco TRIPLE what he'd make in Europe. If I'm Messi, I'd be thinking "If he's worth that much over there, what am I worth?"

Of course, MLS would implode under the weight of that salary.

He is making $2.5m NET. In Italy they report net wages so he is making $5m a year gross. In July he will be making $7m a year pro-rated.

[Areathrasher]

He is making $2.5m NET. In Italy they report net wages so he is making $5m a year gross. In July he will be making $7m a year pro-rated.

It's amazing how many people are choosing to ignore this.

[Yohan]

http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/sport/fc-augsburg/FCA-stellt-Marcel-de-Jong-frei-id32719842.html

Marcel de Jong may be available on free transfer. probably can play LB at MLS level, but I think I like him better at LW for TFC

[Areathrasher]

Betis announce Perquis release

http://www.realbetisbalompie.es/es/noticias/actualidad/3945/damien-perquis-deja-de-pertenecer-la-disciplina-de

[SKB]

Kyle Bekker traded to Dallas for allocation money

Good move. Will this be used to keep Gilberto with TFC?

[brad]

Kyle Bekker traded to Dallas for allocation money

Good move. Will this be used to keep Gilberto with TFC?

No way should we use allocation money to pay down Gilberto to a non-DP. I like the guy, but the kind of allocation needed to pay him down would likely be enough to bring in multiple players.

[jloome]

http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/sport/fc-augsburg/FCA-stellt-Marcel-de-Jong-frei-id32719842.html

Marcel de Jong may be available on free transfer. probably can play LB at MLS level, but I think I like him better at LW for TFC

Good pickup. He's good going forward and back; you're right, probably better at crossing over and putting the ball in.

[markie8002000]

A Article from an hour ago on Giovinco's Agent and Juve meeting soon http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/giovincos-agent-will-meet-with-juve-to-negotiate-an-early-departure-from-club/

[Red I]

A Article from an hour ago on Giovinco's Agent and Juve meeting soon http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/giovincos-agent-will-meet-with-juve-to-negotiate-an-early-departure-from-club/

I'd be very surprised if they do let him leave early out of his contract - they could use him sporadically - but if it happens, that would be frigging amazeballs

[notthesun]

A Article from an hour ago on Giovinco's Agent and Juve meeting soon http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/giovincos-agent-will-meet-with-juve-to-negotiate-an-early-departure-from-club/

Given the comments from Bez, Di Marzio is either wrong about this, or Bez has a handshake agreement with all parties involved not to speak publicly about an early release for whatever reason. Maybe Giovinco & Juventus don't want to rock the boat with the fans, who knows.

Di Marzio is very well connected in Italy so I doubt he is just getting bad info. Maybe Bez just doesn't want to create what ends up being false hope.

Hope he does come early anyways.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Giovinco coming early might lower the value of Gilberto too if teams know that he has to leave

[Areathrasher]

Given the comments from Bez, Di Marzio is either wrong about this, or Bez has a handshake agreement with all parties involved not to speak publicly about an early release for whatever reason. Maybe Giovinco & Juventus don't want to rock the boat with the fans, who knows.

Di Marzio is very well connected in Italy so I doubt he is just getting bad info. Maybe Bez just doesn't want to create what ends up being false hope.

Hope he does come early anyways.

From the sounds of it, Giovincos agent is handling an early release and we aren't involved.

This from Gab Marcotti when told that TFC were denying him coming early


Gabriele MarcottiVerified account‏@Marcotti (https://twitter.com/Marcotti)

@Adz77 (https://twitter.com/Adz77) yeah but bet it's one of those "it was true at the time" type things. AFAIK Juve happy to ditch him now + save wage.

[Mark TFC]

Yessssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bekker is outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Milanista]

Dejong is not coming here or to MLS, he has some offers from EPL wanting him. Meanwhile milan turned down Dallas' offer for Essian


http://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/sport/fc-augsburg/FCA-stellt-Marcel-de-Jong-frei-id32719842.html

Marcel de Jong may be available on free transfer. probably can play LB at MLS level, but I think I like him better at LW for TFC

[Milanista]

my bad thought u said nigel lol


Dejong is not coming here or to MLS, he has some offers from EPL wanting him. Meanwhile milan turned down Dallas' offer for Essian

[rydermike]

I'd be very surprised if they do let him leave early out of his contract - they could use him sporadically - but if it happens, that would be frigging amazeballs

His current Juventus contract ends June 30, so we only get him July 1. But since Juve's last league game is May 31, could we sign him now then immediately loan him back to Juventus until June 1st? We'd get him a month earlier, and he'd still play out the season for Juventus. Win-win for both if we can't get him now


*Champions' League Final is June 6 (loan until June 7)?

[Yohan]

His current Juventus contract ends June 30, so we only get him July 1. But since Juve's last league game is May 31, could we sign him now then immediately loan him back to Juventus until June 1st? We'd get him a month earlier, and he'd still play out the season for Juventus. Win-win for both if we can't get him now


*Champions' League Final is June 6 (loan until June 7)?
doesn't matter. MLS summer transfer window doesn't open until early/mid July

[brad]

Sounds promising. If Juve and his agent are working an early release it seems plausible. Solid sources mentioning it.

[Defoe]

Marcel De Jong would be huge for us... or even MLS. I want some of these Canadian guys to come over now that MLS is beginning to get to that next level. What EPL team's are interested?

[OgtheDim]

Marcel De Jong would be a DP. Bringing him in now would be a sure sign that there would be 4 DP's without restrictions. I don't see that happening.

[reggie]

why would we want him....we already got MORROW?

[Defoe]

Marcel De Jong would be a DP. Bringing him in now would be a sure sign that there would be 4 DP's without restrictions. I don't see that happening.

His current salary is $414,000. I think you could structure it as a non DP.

[Defoe]

why would we want him....we already got MORROW?

Because he can play multiple positions including LM, CB, CDM. Very versatile player.

[markie8002000]

TFC are close to signing Damien Perquis according to Kurt Larson http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/21/tfc-close-to-signing-perquis

[mcolvy]

TFC are close to signing Damien Perquis according to Kurt Larson http://www.torontosun.com/2015/01/21/tfc-close-to-signing-perquis

This signing has been rumoured for a while. Vanney played against him in League 1 during his career. Looks to be an experienced player, but the quality of the deal will rest on how hard the cap hit is going to be.

I do like going with something proven in the centre of defence, but I really wouldn't mind taking a go at South/Central America for another CB. Look what Vancouver came up with in Waston. We really haven't taken advantage of this market under Bez, which was something that Payne really angled for.

Even with this CB help, I wouldn't want to rely on one of these rookies as our 4th CB option.

Moreover, how about some depth at right back. I guess Delgado and Crevalle are there, but I view both as midfielders.
Bloom worries me. He is steady, but not spectacular. But Vanney wants his fullbacks getting up the field and I see Bloom as just too hesitant to be effective in the final third. He also can't hit a cross and has poor recovery speed on an opposing counter. I would have liked an upgrade.

I also think we could use additional help on the wing and defensive midfield. A winger that has attributes different from that of Oduro and Jackson would be handy. Someone who doesn't necessarily need to beat players 1v1, but who can keep possession and keep the play flowing through our main guys. A Chris Rolfe or Grabavoy. Lovitz can take a guy on 1v1 but is just as careless on the ball as the other pair. He runs himself, head down, into the corner and delivers a poor cross just about every time he touches the ball.

For defensive mid, I just want to find Bradley a wife. I don't care who it is or how skilled they are. They just need to work well with him and serve him. I really don't see Bradley and Oso sitting as a 6 and 8 pairing. It won't work. Warner is overweight. Crevalle is our best bet right now. Make him Bradley's roomies and force this connection. Bringing in a complimentary player, who can think the game at a high level, will be key for us.

[andmat]

How much is Pequis getting payed now? i know we should have plenty of allocation to buy him down i just wanna know his current wages,

[OgtheDim]

Need 2 CB's. I suspect we will settle for 1 and ride our luck with a draft pick....again. Ugh.

Need better wide support. Vanney said he wasn't happy with what happened last season. Ok, if that's true, fix it. I suspect something is going to happen there as well. I'd like to see 2 players brought in for that, but, again, I suspect we will only be getting 1 and hoping somebody steps up...again. Ugh.

[ManUtd4ever]

After the Altidore press conference, Bez and Vanney both hinted at a few more signings in the coming weeks. If we sign Perquis, it will go a long way to solidifying our backline, but I don't get the impression that management is under any illusions regarding the shortcomings of the roster as it is currently constructed.

I expect further reinforcements to arrive soon in the form of a holding midfielder and a wide midfielder.

[AdamAM]

If we get Perquis, this is easily the best offseason we have ever had. Giovinco (addresses our lack of a true #10), Altidore, Perquis (addresses our lack of solid centre backs), solid draft picks, tons of allocation.... and there's still room for more. Bez and Vanney have delivered in acquisitions, now it just needs to translate onto the pitch.

[Mark TFC]

I would welcome Perquis with open arms, as would my other Polish pals. It would definitely address our need for a solid defender.

[Areathrasher]

If when Perquis signs. They have to ABSOLUTELY, get another CB.

[MagicPig]

Perquis will be the best move this team has made this year. He'll have the biggest impact. He's a stable, experienced defender who will bring a calming presence to the back line. Speed might be an issue for our CB's, but Perquis' smarts and positioning may prevent the need for Caldwell to make a lot of rash decisions, knowing he has a reliable, more experienced partner out there.

[Ultra & Proud]

If when Perquis signs. They have to ABSOLUTELY, get another CB.
For sure but a cheap experienced permanent back up type. I would still toss Attakora a low end contract because he can fill that type of limited role.

[Milanista]

thank god bc Caldwell is garbage, i dont care he is the captain...the guy is always out of position, very rash in tackles and slow as hell...all he does is pump the ball up the field, with our new team we need possession and not just pump ball

[reggie]

thank god bc Caldwell is garbage, i dont care he is the captain...the guy is always out of position, very rash in tackles and slow as hell...all he does is pump the ball up the field, with our new team we need possession and not just pump ball
and way overpaid...i would like to see pequis and a mid 20s guy in the middle,with haggs being the third option

[Defoe]

thank god bc Caldwell is garbage, i dont care he is the captain...the guy is always out of position, very rash in tackles and slow as hell...all he does is pump the ball up the field, with our new team we need possession and not just pump ball

This is why I would look for a RB as well, or start Creavalle over Bloom.

[ag futbol]

Need 2 CB's. I suspect we will settle for 1 and ride our luck with a draft pick....again. Ugh.

Need better wide support. Vanney said he wasn't happy with what happened last season. Ok, if that's true, fix it. I suspect something is going to happen there as well. I'd like to see 2 players brought in for that, but, again, I suspect we will only be getting 1 and hoping somebody steps up...again. Ugh.
Agreed, concerning one we're linked with is injury prone as well. That could be a big win, or a downfall. We've seen how that's worked for Montreal with Rivas and Ferrari. Flip side would be Seattle with Marshall I suppose.

[Areathrasher]

Agreed, concerning one we're linked with is injury prone as well. That could be a big win, or a downfall. We've seen how that's worked for Montreal with Rivas and Ferrari. Flip side would be Seattle with Marshall I suppose.

Yup, his injury history scares me. Caldwell, Perquis, Hagglund plus the draft picks is not enough at CB.

[Kaz]

Agreed, concerning one we're linked with is injury prone as well. That could be a big win, or a downfall. We've seen how that's worked for Montreal with Rivas and Ferrari. Flip side would be Seattle with Marshall I suppose.


OK he isn't really injury prone.. He had a hamstring issue once or twice a season that had him miss 4/5 games max usually 1 or 2.

He has had several fractures and sprains... one was his jaw, broken in two place, and was taken to hospital unconscious after an area challenge. That says he is fearless. (maybe too much so). In the case of his last broken arm he was back in the roster in three weeks, after taking a hard fall. He has broken his arm repeatedly. Which is a concern. (2013, 2012 and at least once before)

He had a Sprained ankle once in the last three years... and got sick with a virus...


Ok... short of a broken bone the guys is back in there fairly quick.. (his last broken arm had him out for three weeks)

I think having him beside, or alternating with Caldwell could be interesting. Gives the young guys a go. The odds of loosing both at the same time should be less, and it will help develop guys like Hagglund.

[Areathrasher]

You just described an injury prone player

[brad]

Perquis will be the best move this team has made this year. He'll have the biggest impact. He's a stable, experienced defender who will bring a calming presence to the back line. Speed might be an issue for our CB's, but Perquis' smarts and positioning may prevent the need for Caldwell to make a lot of rash decisions, knowing he has a reliable, more experienced partner out there.

Assuming his recent injury problems are behind him - he's struggled in the past couple of years. It's a risky proposition to base you back line around an often injured 31 year old.

[brad]

thank god bc Caldwell is garbage, i dont care he is the captain...the guy is always out of position, very rash in tackles and slow as hell...all he does is pump the ball up the field, with our new team we need possession and not just pump ball

He was known as a "safety first" defender when he came, and that is what we have seen from him. I do think part of his positional issues were due to the team around him, but I agree we need better. We are being set up to play with the ball on the deck through the middle (even Jozy likes the ball on the ground). Caldwell is going to kill that moving out of the back.

[Kaz]

You just described an injury prone player

Every player is going to have a knock once and a while.. having a single injury a season (like the hamstring) isn't that big a deal.


He is injury prone in that he seems to get into situations once or twice a year that results in taking a hard fall or challenge.


I consider Injury prone is a player that is out much more than he is.


Particularly if the coaching staff can get him to not make those hard challenges.

[jloome]

Every player is going to have a knock once and a while.. having a single injury a season (like the hamstring) isn't that big a deal.


He is injury prone in that he seems to get into situations once or twice a year that results in taking a hard fall or challenge.


I consider Injury prone is a player that is out much more than he is.


Particularly if the coaching staff can get him to not make those hard challenges.

His hamstrings are the only real concern; it's the stuff that goes repeatedly that is usually the issue, including joints and muscles. But in his case, the length of time out suggests tweaks, not serious injuries.

I like the idea of bringing back Nana. He always played well for us and was traded after asking for a better deal, which he deserved. His personality is very withdrawn and sometimes he doesn't express himself like a jock, and I wonder how much that's hurt him. Fans in San Jose really liked him when he deputized, said he played really well.

I think he's turning into a journeyman when he has starter potential; and he's Canadian. Surely he's a competent backup to Perquis and Caldwell, and he can play right back as well.

[Red Skies At Night]

I like the idea of bringing back Nana. He always played well for us and was traded after asking for a better deal, which he deserved. His personality is very withdrawn and sometimes he doesn't express himself like a jock, and I wonder how much that's hurt him. Fans in San Jose really liked him when he deputized, said he played really well.

I think he's turning into a journeyman when he has starter potential; and he's Canadian. Surely he's a competent backup to Perquis and Caldwell, and he can play right back as well.

Is he still with DC? I kind of thought this was a depth no-brainer for TFC, and had expected to see him signed by now. Perhaps he is asking for too much $, or perhaps TFC brain-trust don't rate him?

[ManUtd4ever]

Yeah, I think Attakora would be a good fit at this point in time as a 4th CB behind Caldwell, Perquis (assuming he signs), and Hagglund. It depends on his asking price though.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Yeah, I think Attakora would be a good fit at this point in time as a 4th CB behind Caldwell, Perquis (assuming he signs), and Hagglund. It depends on his asking price though.

He's not fit. Watching the Canada friendlies was enough for me to need him to spend time with TFC2 before he'd be ready to come back to the senior squad.

[jloome]

He's not fit. Watching the Canada friendlies was enough for me to need him to spend time with TFC2 before he'd be ready to come back to the senior squad.

He hasn't played competively (much) in about a year. DC had him basically playing with the reserves. He is bigger than when he was here physically, I should note, but that's actual growth. I don't think he's exceptionally overweight. First time I saw him play for San Jose I couldn't believe the muscle he'd put on, so maybe some of that has turned to fat.

[Fort York Redcoat]

He hasn't played competively (much) in about a year. DC had him basically playing with the reserves. He is bigger than when he was here physically, I should note, but that's actual growth. I don't think he's exceptionally overweight. First time I saw him play for San Jose I couldn't believe the muscle he'd put on, so maybe some of that has turned to fat.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt till i watched him run back. More than once it was "little engine that could" trying to get back.

This from the guy who wants every national player to excel, of course. I hope he finds his way.

[Areathrasher]

Yea, he looked horrible in the Iceland games. I'd steer clear.

[Milanista]

lets sign Balotelli!!!!!!

[jloome]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt till i watched him run back. More than once it was "little engine that could" trying to get back.

This from the guy who wants every national player to excel, of course. I hope he finds his way.

Maybe he's just been bitter since playing here; or after being dropped by San Jose despite playing really well. He seems to keep getting screwed. I'm not always inclined to believe it's brought on by the screwee.

Either way, he'd have two months to get fit, and we're talking about a backup role. Given his dependable skill set (when fit) it makes sense to me. Sometimes guys just need another chance.

[moralis]

Latest update on Giovinco coming to TFC in January:

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/giovincos-agent-damicowill-he-join-toronto-right-away-there-are-no-updates/

[Derko]

lets sign Balotelli!!!!!!

Not him again!!

[Kaz]

His hamstrings are the only real concern; it's the stuff that goes repeatedly that is usually the issue, including joints and muscles. But in his case, the length of time out suggests tweaks, not serious injuries.

I like the idea of bringing back Nana. He always played well for us and was traded after asking for a better deal, which he deserved. His personality is very withdrawn and sometimes he doesn't express himself like a jock, and I wonder how much that's hurt him. Fans in San Jose really liked him when he deputized, said he played really well.

I think he's turning into a journeyman when he has starter potential; and he's Canadian. Surely he's a competent backup to Perquis and Caldwell, and he can play right back as well.
I'd love to see him back. I'm not sure if he is a MLS 2.5 starter though.. but it would be really nice to have him home.

[flamehawk]

Latest update on Giovinco coming to TFC in January:

http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/calciomercato/giovincos-agent-damicowill-he-join-toronto-right-away-there-are-no-updates/

haha, that's the worst update ever.

[flamehawk]

https://twitter.com/4totera/status/558421540358746112


A. Totera
‏@4totera
Here we Go Don't be surprised to see Giovinco,s Brother in a Reds jersey to help him on/off field ajust to Toronto Smart move just been told





Totera suggesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Giovinco Giuseppe Giovinco might sign. Worrying that he's only played in the 3rd division, but if he can contribute as depth and be paid accordingly, it's not idea.

[OgtheDim]

Sounds like the agent is hitting F5 as much as we are.

[OgtheDim]

A. Totera ‏@4totera (https://twitter.com/4totera) 28m28 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/4totera/status/558421540358746112) Here we Go Don't be surprised to see Giovinco,s Brother in a Reds jersey to help him on/off field ajust to Toronto Smart move just been told
(same guy that broke the Bekker story and did the interview with Giovinco's agent).


Sign him to the USL Pro.

[flamehawk]

A. Totera ‏@4totera (https://twitter.com/4totera) 28m28 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/4totera/status/558421540358746112) Here we Go Don't be surprised to see Giovinco,s Brother in a Reds jersey to help him on/off field ajust to Toronto Smart move just been told
(same guy that broke the Bekker story and did the interview with Giovinco's agent).


Sign him to the USL Pro.

That would make more sense to me, but it sounds like Totera is suggesting that it would be with TFC first team, since he says "on field" in addition to off field

[jazzy]

He's not fit. Watching the Canada friendlies was enough for me to need him to spend time with TFC2 before he'd be ready to come back to the senior squad.

Yup.......every time I see him he's forever chasing fitness ..never understood the overating he always gets here . Used to watch at field level when he was here training and he never really ruled the position as he must , even with lesser lights .

[flamehawk]

Yup.......every time I see him he's forever chasing fitness ..never understood the overating he always gets here . Used to watch at field level when he was here training and he never really ruled the position as he must , even with lesser lights .

Well, at least sign him up to TFC2 and give him a chance to prove himself. He's never had a consistent run in the first team since leaving TFC, and when he had it here, he did really well with Cann by his side.

[flamehawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W331x1QWxQQ

looks alright in these highlights. Seems like a good finisher, though we really don't need more forwards. Seems he can play AM too though.

[ManUtd4ever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W331x1QWxQQ

looks alright in these highlights. Seems like a good finisher, though we really don't need more forwards. Seems he can play AM too though.

He can be his brother's back up.

[flamehawk]

He can be his brother's back up.

Always in his brother's shadow, ha, even searching his name on google brings you to his brother's wikipedia page (personal life section) instead of his own.

[portu]

He can be his brother's back up.
pretty sure that's going to be chapman/oso this season

[OgtheDim]

No way we spend a valuable int spot on a brother.

Anybody know the int rules for USL Pro?

[portu]

ya i gotta say im not really okay with bringing in his brother for the sole reason that he's gio's brother. he's taking time off of guys like chappers and oso and as a canadian and a tfc fan im not okay with that. If they want to bring him in on trial then sure be my guest but things like this just scream politics and that is ultimately what fucks this club over time and time again

[Areathrasher]

I'd try to be finding a cheapish Italian CB if Giovinco needs a buddy

[Stress]

Perhaps dealing Bekker was actually to make room for Giovinco II. His first goal in those highlights was pretty nice. If we can manage our int'l spots well, I'd take a flyer on him. We saw the "home sick" effect on Defoe so this might be a smart move.

[cubr]

Looking like a done deal, pending medical. I also saw something about him wanting to check out the facilities. I hope some of his injury issues don't plague him this year.

We could use another depth CB as well, with Henry and Orr gone. I'm thinking some of the new kids will get some looks too (Simonin, maybe Thomas). Hagglund should have another good year, but would be nice to have 4 options.

(Been lurking for a year, newbie post count)

[Detroit_TFC]

Assuming things go ok this season (I know, would be a first), rebuilding back line will be the top priority for next season.

[mowe]

Caldwell is not going to play 34 games. Perquis is apparently injury/suspension prone. It's not going to take a lot to go down to Hagglund and a draft pick starting. We need another CB.

[Wagner]

Welcome Cubr.

My guess is that Thomas will be at TFC2.

[Huyton]

How good is this guy? Worth spending an international spot on him?

[deschamp86]

My problem with taking his brother is if he is a borderline squad player, what happens when is no longer needed. Risk alienating Seba

[andmat]

How good is this guy? Worth spending an international spot on him?
It all Depends on how much hes getting payed if he's getting payed 300k or more and we are using allocation to buy him down it's not worth it. hes not that Good

[Red I]

It all Depends on how much hes getting payed if he's getting payed 300k or more and we are using allocation to buy him down it's not worth it. hes not that Good

Wasn't he captain of Real Betis at one time? I would think that's pretty good

[Super]

They would be bringing in his brother to help him settle in Toronto. This is all a result of the fear that Giovinco might turn into another Defoe. I blame the media and hysterical fans. Players come and go, and some don't settle. It's not like we're the only club in the world who has to live with the fear that our best players might want to leave. But we're definitely the only club who would pull this sort of stunt, signing a family member to the team just to help the star settle. Hoping it's not true.

[barticusz]

How good is this guy? Worth spending an international spot on him?

I haven't seen him play since 2012, but he was very solid at the Euro's that year. He is a good dependable CB. I think barring he doesn't get hurt he'll be a very good defender in this league.

[ManUtd4ever]

Keep in mind, a guy like Soolsma came over from Holland after plying his trade in relative obscurity, and was an effective player at this level. I think Giovinco's brother might be able to provide useful depth as a 3rd or 4th option in the central attacking midfield role. He can start for TFC II and get a call up in the event of injuries.

[cubr]

Just saw an article in Polish saying he passed the medical. Linked translated article.

http://goo.gl/v6Pvzs

[jloome]

Just saw an article in Polish saying he passed the medical. Linked translated article.

http://goo.gl/v6Pvzs

This bit was interesting: According to unofficial data also shows that the Toronto team will also try one of the players of Manchester City, but the media are silent on the issue of the name of a player. It's quite possible that it is a Soldado, who did not work in England, but these are only my guesses.

[Stress]

Haha soldado? Not even man city. Micah Richards could be an interesting play. Even on loan. Seems he's not getting many minutes in loan in Italy and he's unsettled.

But us doing biz with man city seems a stretch considering their relationship with NYFC

[cubr]

Yeah I saw that too, he's pretty far off on his speculation. Soldado being Tottenham, and ST/CF not our needs right now. I would love if we could loan a nice young talent though, that fills a need.

[RealG-TFC]

Actually maybe he meant Tottenham and not Mn city given our "relationship".

[cubr]

Actually maybe he meant Tottenham and not Mn city given our "relationship".

A dream loan would be someone like Eric Dier, or Yedlin (subject to allocation I assume). I'm not sure how loaned wages affect the cap but I doubt we could afford any bigger names. A younger non-first team prospect would be nice, we need anything right now for DEF.

[Kaz]

Caldwell is not going to play 34 games. Perquis is apparently injury/suspension prone. It's not going to take a lot to go down to Hagglund and a draft pick starting. We need another CB.
He is no more Suspension Prone than Caldwell


Hagglund picked up 2 last year. Caldwell 1.

[Ivy]

ManCity isn't giving us anybody haha. They have their baby sister in MLS to worry about too.

[jloome]

He is no more Suspension Prone than Caldwell


Hagglund picked up 2 last year. Caldwell 1.

Given some of the veteran defenders who have moved this offseason I have to agree that we need one more with experience, a fringe starter.

[Initial B]

I'm thinking that Bez may be done with purchases at this point. He might be looking for loans to fill out quality spots in the roster at a bargain price, like Caldwell was originally. Maybe a loaned #10 until Giovinco arrives, another CB, and a good winger?

[Defoe]

I'm thinking that Bez may be done with purchases at this point. He might be looking for loans to fill out quality spots in the roster at a bargain price, like Caldwell was originally. Maybe a loaned #10 until Giovinco arrives, another CB, and a good winger?


---------- Altidore - Gilberto----------
-----------------Giovinco--------------
Winger-------------------------Findley
-----------------Bradley---------------
Morrow - Caldwell - Perquis - Creavalle

If Creavalle can play RB and one of Findley/Osorio can play wide, I think we're a winger away from being a balanced team. And that's with Gilberto in the lineup. A 3-5-2 seems unlikely, but I was thinking if we went that route a Bradley-Creavalle in a DM parternship wouldn't be so crazy would it? Morrow-Perquis-Caldwell is probably good enough in MLS.

[gdg_9]

Just saw an article in Polish saying he passed the medical. Linked translated article.

http://goo.gl/v6Pvzs


This bit was interesting: According to unofficial data also shows that the Toronto team will also try one of the players of Manchester City, but the media are silent on the issue of the name of a player. It's quite possible that it is a Soldado, who did not work in England, but these are only my guesses.


Haha soldado? Not even man city. Micah Richards could be an interesting play. Even on loan. Seems he's not getting many minutes in loan in Italy and he's unsettled.

But us doing biz with man city seems a stretch considering their relationship with NYFC


Yeah I saw that too, he's pretty far off on his speculation. Soldado being Tottenham, and ST/CF not our needs right now. I would love if we could loan a nice young talent though, that fills a need.


He also says in the article that Caldwell is a former Celtic player.
Caldwell is Scottish, but has never played for Celtic.

I wouldn't put much stock in this guy.

[cubr]

---------- Altidore - Gilberto----------
-----------------Giovinco--------------
Winger-------------------------Findley
-----------------Bradley---------------
Morrow - Caldwell - Perquis - Creavalle

If Creavalle can play RB and one of Findley/Osorio can play wide, I think we're a winger away from being a balanced team. And that's with Gilberto in the lineup. A 3-5-2 seems unlikely, but I was thinking if we went that route a Bradley-Creavalle in a DM parternship wouldn't be so crazy would it? Morrow-Perquis-Caldwell is probably good enough in MLS.

Marco Delgado (acquired from Chivas USA dispersal draft) seems like a decent DM option (for sub at least), he can play fullback as well. He's also under 20, so he has good future potential. I believe Creavalle is ahead of him in depth though, who's also versatile.

[ronzilla]

I'd try to be finding a cheapish Italian CB if Giovinco needs a buddy

Cheilini would make a good buddy : ) I know, im dreaming..

[Hieberrr]

So apparently Perquis is a done deal?

[cubr]

So apparently Perquis is a done deal?

If the reports are to be believed, there's enough of them. I suspect there should be an announcement soon.

[ManUtd4ever]

If they can stay healthy, Caldwell and Perquis should be the strongest central defense pairing we have ever fielded in a starting lineup. They certainly have the collective pedigree to finally address an issue that has been the achilles heel of this club since it's inception.

[notthesun]

Worried we're about to make the same mistake as last year in terms of CBs. Hagglund supporting Caldwell and Perquis as starters works, but only if the latter two are usually starters. Both could run into injury trouble, especially Caldwell. We need a journeyman MLS CB that can step in as well, and compete with Hagglund for 3rd in the depth chart.

[Areathrasher]

Given the convo's yesterday, Nana is signing with the Cosmos apparently.

[Cas87]

Worried we're about to make the same mistake as last year in terms of CBs. Hagglund supporting Caldwell and Perquis as starters works, but only if the latter two are usually starters. Both could run into injury trouble, especially Caldwell. We need a journeyman MLS CB that can step in as well, and compete with Hagglund for 3rd in the depth chart.

Agreed.

One curiosity questions though, does Creavalle play CB as well or just Left and Right back?

I know its not the answer, but if the answer doesn't present itself pre-season, he could be a good emergency if needed

[Areathrasher]

A lot of camps opened today and DC and Orlando had a few trialists. Maybe they call some FAs CBs in for a trial?

[SoccMan2]

This team still needs another CB along with Perquis and let's hope Perquis stays healthy, I just don't think Caldwell is good enough back there I really hope I'm wrong but Caldwell was just not good enough in my opinion last season. Hagglund needs to improve yes he is still young but will he improve enough to be a good backup this season. We need a pure attacking mid and possibly another natural wide player, if we can get more help at these stated position then there will be no excuse for this team not to be fighting for a playoff position and possibly better this season. Moreover, we need Giovinco to come in March not July for him to have a real impact on this team this season. This team needs to find a way to come back from that crazy road trip to begin the season at least close to the 500 mark no excuses.

[OgtheDim]

A little tid bit out of an article about Orlando's draft that gets me thinking something big in allocation is about to go down in the next week or two.

Bez offered to trade down.


TFC are willing to part with their No. 9 pick, provided they land their top target with their No. 6 pick, for $100,000 in allocation and Orlando’s pick at No. 22.

Orlando almost pulled the trigger but thought the 100K was a bit too much.

Bez seems to be wanting allocation.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/superdraft/2015/news/article/2015/01/22/behind-scenes-mls-superdraft-orlando-city-sc-word

[Areathrasher]

Perquis is having his salary paid down.

Wonder if he got 100k for Bekker if that's what he has been looking for recently.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

or if we are trying to pay down Gilberto (doubt it but hey)

[jazzy]

Caldwell is not going to play 34 games. Perquis is apparently injury/suspension prone. It's not going to take a lot to go down to Hagglund and a draft pick starting. We need another CB.

Seems everyone is overlooking this........surely we can't advance that fast without a solid even if unspectacular back end. Teams will be salivating at the chance to bring us down a notch....'again'....

[jazzy]

---------- Altidore - Gilberto----------
-----------------Giovinco--------------
Winger-------------------------Findley
-----------------Bradley---------------
Morrow - Caldwell - Perquis - Creavalle

If Creavalle can play RB and one of Findley/Osorio can play wide, I think we're a winger away from being a balanced team. And that's with Gilberto in the lineup. A 3-5-2 seems unlikely, but I was thinking if we went that route a Bradley-Creavalle in a DM parternship wouldn't be so crazy would it? Morrow-Perquis-Caldwell is probably good enough in MLS.

I think everyone forgets we still have Lovitz ......he can run and cross , and is smart enough to be a workhorse and feed the 'stars' . ....much more team orientated than both Jackson and Oruro......although yes Jackson can work hard at 'D' , he still looses soccer ' smarts'

[kshep]

Yeah, I'm certainly no expert but I was surprised by Lovitz last year he certainly brought more of a game than I expected. I do worry that he might be a little bit of a one trick pony though (at least in terms of dribbling & 1v1 isolation.)

In his first few matches he featured he was able to push the ball wide and use his speed to beat defenders, but once clubs had some tape on him he certainly became less effective.

When his able to beat his marker he did provide some leal service to our forwards, though if I remember correctly most of that service was in the air rather than on the ground.

[Initial B]

With the talk of a second-tier of DP (400K-1M), perhaps Bez is trying to pay Gilberto down to something that will lower his hit against the cap?

[ManUtd4ever]

With the talk of a second-tier of DP (400K-1M), perhaps Bez is trying to pay Gilberto down to something that will lower his hit against the cap?

This is actually a plausible scenario. It would take approximately 200K in allocation to pay down Gilberto's salary so that he would fall into that category, as long as the extra DP slot isn't exclusively for domestics.

[Defoe]

Pa-Modou Kah to Vancouver. Ugh... literally exactly what we need. Would have been a perfect guy to mentor our young CB's and provide a great option off the bench. Signings like this, and Watson are the reason why Vancouver is such a smart organization that makes the playoffs. These are the type of good character players/ role guys that Toronto ignores and as a result doesn't win. Good move Vancouver.

[jloome]

Pa-Modou Kah to Vancouver. Ugh... literally exactly what we need. Would have been a perfect guy to mentor our young CB's and provide a great option off the bench. Signings like this, and Watson are the reason why Vancouver is such a smart organization that makes the playoffs. These are the type of good character players/ role guys that Toronto ignores and as a result doesn't win. Good move Vancouver.

He's a decent defender but he's always had a temper and been reckless.

[GuelphStorm2007]

So is Perquis here or what

[DOMIN8R]

Micheal Ramos looks to make jump from Division 3 college to Toronto FC (http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Micheal+Ramos+looks+make+jump+from+Division+colleg e+Toronto/10758125/story.html?)



Ramos called his mother, who was watching on a laptop in Seattle."She was just bawling. It was quite an emotional thing for us ... one of the best experiences of my life," he said between packing, saying goodbyes, withdrawing from spring courses and finding substitute coaches for his under-12 girls and under-14 boys teams.

[OgtheDim]

Not sure if that guy is going to be Nuke Laloosh or the guy who gets the "Son this is the toughest part of the job" speech.

[jloome]

Not sure if that guy is going to be Nuke Laloosh or the guy who gets the "Son this is the toughest part of the job" speech.

Stranger things have happened.

[flamehawk]

http://blog.3four3.com/2015/01/09/jose-choco-gomez-atlante-fc/

Came across this article about how one of the players we drafted in 2013 supplemental draft has now signed for Atlante. He won tons of awards in College and apparently was only cut because TFC 'didn't know' he was considered an international.

Hope it's not the case for Bernal.

[DOMIN8R]

Wow. That is quite a story. A blemish for the MLS and TFC in particular. I hope that Choco never plays against us in Champions League. Because if history is any indicator.......

[Mark TFC]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Perquis

I noticed that someone updated this. So is Perquis as good as signed?

[BuSaPuNk]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien_Perquis

I noticed that someone updated this. So is Perquis as good as signed?

Heard he's in town already so I would assume it's probably a done deal.

[Red CB Toronto]

As per Kurt's recent tweet Gilberto will not be in attendance when the pre-season opens tomorrow. More to follow.

[Richard]

I can live with a Giovinco for Gilberto swap but I'm still disappointed he is leaving.

Oh well, according to Larson they got good offers outside of MLS.

This must mean Giovinco is coming soon, no need to ship Gilberto right now if that wasn't the case.

The question now is who is going to be the 4th DP we get in the summer.

[Canary10]

No surprise. It was clear last week he was gone. He grew on me but not a big loss. His finishing wasn't great.

[Red4ever]

No surprise. It was clear last week he was gone. He grew on me but not a big loss. His finishing wasn't great.

That's it in a nutshell. Dike or Findley will make up his numbers.

[kshep]

Findley maybe, Dike is kinda of a waste of a roster spot tbh I like his game but he's made of glass it seems.

[Red CB Toronto]

I can live with a Giovinco for Gilberto swap but I'm still disappointed he is leaving.

Oh well, according to Larson they got good offers outside of MLS.

This must mean Giovinco is coming soon, no need to ship Gilberto right now if that wasn't the case.

The question now is who is going to be the 4th DP we get in the summer.

I do not think moving Gilberto out now is tied to Giovinco coming early at all. If as it appears the Reds have decided to move Gilberto, there is no reason to keep him around for half a season with the Jan window open for about another week.

[RealG-TFC]

Bet he stays in MLS and does better than Altidore. Hell, I bet he goes to Orlando.

[notthesun]

For the love of god please move him out of the league.

I am fine with moving him if it means re-investing his cap space into other areas of the squad to improve our lineup overall. We have more than enough forwards.

[OgtheDim]

Larson indicating offers from Mexico. Doubt he moves within MLS but if the right player was offered, let him go.

If the price of a quality MLS defender about the age of 28 or of a real anchor DM is Gilberto, make it so.

[ronzilla]

Gilberto getting far more credit than he deserves. He under-performed last year and won't be missed.

[OgtheDim]

So, last season, there was a press scrum on the first day and those who were absent without reason included somebody on his way out (remember that Swiss guy? Yeah, I know.)

Wonder who won't be there tomorrow, apart from Gilberto.

[Jpexxx]

I loved Gilberto, I was really hoping they could find a way to keep him.

If he leaves i'll only have fond memories of his work ethic, and that fateful free kick where Defoe knocked the ball out of his hands.

[Defoe]

so pretty much we didn't improve much at all this offseason :facepalm:

Bradley = Bradley
Altidore = Gilberto
Giovinco = Defoe
Perquis > Henry - dependent on how many games he actually plays.

I do prefer our 3 DP'S now though.

I'll reserve judgement until March against Vancouver. If we can add another winger and/or DM/RB I won't be to frustrated and understand it

[OgtheDim]

It remains to be seen but the guys down the depth chart look like upgrades based on what we know of how they did last season in College or MLS.

Findley > Weideman

Chapman > Hall

Bono > Konopka

Delgado > Richter


Still waiting for them to do something about the wide attack as Vanney specifically said it was crap.

[jloome]

It remains to be seen but the guys down the depth chart look like upgrades based on what we know of how they did last season in College or MLS.

Findley > Weideman

Chapman > Hall

Bono > Konopka

Delgado > Richter


Still waiting for them to do something about the wide attack as Vanney specifically said it was crap.

He did sort of intimate that he thought they'd been badly coached; instead of putting balls into the most dangerous areas, they were trying to cross to specific players. Never works, because the players in the box are waiting on the ball instead of attacking it.

[ag futbol]

Bet he stays in MLS and does better than Altidore. Hell, I bet he goes to Orlando.
I'm going to bet on neither of those. One good season in Brazil does not a career make.

[sidvan]

Tfc tweets say Gilberto and Jackson staying in Brazil for now.

[OgtheDim]

Tfc tweets say Gilberto and Jackson staying in Brazil for now.

Last year that was Visa issues.

***

In other news, Perquis was beside Tanenbaum at the Raptors game, says Twitter.

[Ajax TFC]

so pretty much we didn't improve much at all this offseason :facepalm:

Bradley = Bradley
Altidore = Gilberto
Giovinco = Defoe
Perquis > Henry - dependent on how many games he actually plays.

I do prefer our 3 DP'S now though.

I'll reserve judgement until March against Vancouver. If we can add another winger and/or DM/RB I won't be to frustrated and understand it
Altidore is not equal to Gilberto. Gilberto had one good season in Brazil, and in his one season here showed that he could potentially be good in MLS. Altidore scored more goals than him in his first season in MLS and has since had two good years in the Eredivisie, and has been good for the USMNT. And he's the same age as Gilberto. I think people like the fact that he's South American (and better yet, Brazilian) a bit too much. Altidore can easily do more than him in MLS, AND he isn't an international.

And whether Giovinco is a better player than Defoe, I won't argue about. I'll just say that even if their overall attributes were the same, swapping Defoe for an attacking midfielder who can create chances makes the squad more balanced, and therefore better (on paper). It also allows Bradley to focus on controlling the midfield rather than having to set up the attack and shield the back line.

[khso11]

Last year that was Visa issues.

***

In other news, Perquis was beside Tanenbaum at the Raptors game, says Twitter.

Yup, he's here.

https://twitter.com/pedrodacunha1/status/559533242974355456

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Pcg2OIgAEg3ud.jpg:large

[MightyDM]

Gilberto getting far more credit than he deserves. He under-performed last year and won't be missed.
No, constantly losing talented players is what kills this team.

[MightyDM]

I loved Gilberto, I was really hoping they could find a way to keep him.

If he leaves i'll only have fond memories of his work ethic, and that fateful free kick where Defoe knocked the ball out of his hands.

Massive moment.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

It remains to be seen but the guys down the depth chart look like upgrades based on what we know of how they did last season in College or MLS.

Findley > Weideman

Chapman > Hall

Bono > Konopka

Delgado > Richter


Still waiting for them to do something about the wide attack as Vanney specifically said it was crap.

not to mention lack of turn over/stability from last season

[molenshtain]

I think we'll see at least another 23-26 year old CB to be a rotation CB and potential starter after Caldwell, a starting CDM and a winger upgrade before training camp is done. not a whole lot to do to be honest. feels nice.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

I think we'll see at least another 23-26 year old CB to be a rotation CB and potential starter after Caldwell, a starting CDM and a winger upgrade before training camp is done. not a whole lot to do to be honest. feels nice.

Do have to wonder why we were still trying to collect allocation as of recent

[Initial B]

I could see them paying down Gilberto's Salary to $1M to fit him under the new DP tier that is supposedly being created. I wouldn't be surprised if Bez has started to say publicly the opposite of what he is actually planning to do. The fact we haven't officially heard a peep about Perquis makes me think he's going to be announced at the start of training camp today. It keeps TFC in the forefront of the news at the start of the week. We'll probably start to hear rumblings of another signing by tomorrow, with a final big player signing/trade sprung on Friday at the end of the transfer period.

[Phil]

Jackson is staying in Brazil as his wife is expecting.

Putting that here in a effort to stop any speculation that is bound to crop up.

[Areathrasher]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8SGkxrCAAAxZ6i.jpg:large

[jabbronies]

Toronto FC Sign Damien Perquis
Reds add Polish International to the backline
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2015/01/toronto-fc-sign-damien-perquis (http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2015/01/toronto-fc-sign-damien-perquis)

[cubr]

Great news, he will be a good mentor for the other CBs as well. I'm thinking him and Simonin being both french will get along well.

[Milanista]

can someone give me a non-bias review of this guy? He legit or just meh...Bc when we signed caldwell all i heard was great signing, blah blah

[ManUtd4ever]

Great news. Our biggest needs appear to have been addressed this off season. Now we need some astute depth signings to bolster the backline and the midfield.

[19Barrett19]

can someone give me a non-bias review of this guy? He legit or just meh...Bc when we signed caldwell all i heard was great signing, blah blah


im polish and I never miss a game when my national team plays. I also have a pasion for following my poles when they play for their clubs.... right now I'm really excited for Gilk and Milik. As for Perquis he's one small notch bellow Gilk who captains Torino and also play the same position CB. Perquis is fearless really good in the air had good foot speed and can pass. The injuries he's suffered are a little concerning but they seen unlucky. If he stays injury free this year he's twice as good a Besler strong like Olave. And has Henry's speed. Hope he stays healthy and help us out at the same time ends up on the euro squad in 2016.

JESZCZE POLSKA NIE ZGINĘŁA!

[Ultra & Proud]

Bc when we signed caldwell all i heard was great signing, blah blah
Well when Caldwell went down last year with that muscle tear our defense went to complete shit right afterwards. Then it came back around when he returned. Guy isn't a world class CB but he can get the job done in MLS and the whole 'He waves his arms around and will give up PKs and red cards' thing doesn't fly as the actual numbers don't support it.

[Phil]

Well when Caldwell went down last year with that muscle tear our defense went to complete shit right afterwards. Then it came back around when he returned. Guy isn't a world class CB but he can get the job done in MLS and the whole 'He waves his arms around and will give up PKs and red cards' thing doesn't fly as the actual numbers don't support it.

Don't forget Morrow was out at the same time. I think those two have a lot to do with commanding the back and holding it down.

[Nodoubtguy]

:rolleyes5:
Please don't sell Gilberto
Please don't sell Gilberto
Please don't sell Gilberto
Please don't sell Gilberto

[pdogg]

:rolleyes5:
Please don't sell Gilberto
Please don't sell Gilberto
Please don't sell Gilberto
Please don't sell Gilberto

We have one DP left from the 3 that were in place from last year. If that's how you treat your highest paid players, well then...

I wish there was a way to keep him. A young core of Urutti, Laba and Gilberto would have been great to watch and see if building that way works. However, it's not like Altidore, Bradley and Giovinco are on the wrong side of the hill either, some good years ahead.

[Marc"2L"]

I don't want to lose Gilberto either, but I would rather have another (younger then 30) centre back and winger.

[Milanista]

wow nice info, i hope you are bang on with this guy...sounds like he is a legit player, just like Giovinco should be for us


im polish and I never miss a game when my national team plays. I also have a pasion for following my poles when they play for their clubs.... right now I'm really excited for Gilk and Milik. As for Perquis he's one small notch bellow Gilk who captains Torino and also play the same position CB. Perquis is fearless really good in the air had good foot speed and can pass. The injuries he's suffered are a little concerning but they seen unlucky. If he stays injury free this year he's twice as good a Besler strong like Olave. And has Henry's speed. Hope he stays healthy and help us out at the same time ends up on the euro squad in 2016.

JESZCZE POLSKA NIE ZGINĘŁA!

[Yohan]

let's hope that our Canadian boys didn't skip their French class during high school for Perquis lol

[CommradePolski]

im polish and I never miss a game when my national team plays. I also have a pasion for following my poles when they play for their clubs.... right now I'm really excited for Gilk and Milik. As for Perquis he's one small notch bellow Gilk who captains Torino and also play the same position CB. Perquis is fearless really good in the air had good foot speed and can pass. The injuries he's suffered are a little concerning but they seen unlucky. If he stays injury free this year he's twice as good a Besler strong like Olave. And has Henry's speed. Hope he stays healthy and help us out at the same time ends up on the euro squad in 2016.

JESZCZE POLSKA NIE ZGINĘŁA!

I know Im going to be sporting Polska gear, flag, jersey, scarf, at likely more then one match for our fellow Pole.

@Yohan

He does speak English also so communication should not be that much of an issue.

[19Barrett19]

let's hope that our Canadian boys didn't skip their French class during high school for Perquis lol

From what I remember I believe he speaks English well for no issue there. I actually think his English is better than his polish

[ronzilla]

I will be happy to see Gilberto go. We have much better options up-front.

[OgtheDim]

damien perquis24 ‏@damienperquis24 (https://twitter.com/damienperquis24) 55m55 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/damienperquis24/status/559726997023514625) I am very happy to have signed for @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) and to be part of this beautiful project Let's go Toronto! All for one!


Just a note that this is the second guy coming in who has called TFC a "project". Somebody is selling a plan, it seems.

[kwhisperer]

I will be happy to see Gilberto go. We have much better options up-front.

Altidore might score more but I can't see anyone else who would be any better than Gilberto.

[Milanista]

I respect your opinion, but i think he is just an awful footballer. Always out of position, makes bone tackles but the biggest thing that bothers me about him, is his passing ability...might be one of the worst CB I've seen at passing and doesn't he make a shi t ton of $?


Well when Caldwell went down last year with that muscle tear our defense went to complete shit right afterwards. Then it came back around when he returned. Guy isn't a world class CB but he can get the job done in MLS and the whole 'He waves his arms around and will give up PKs and red cards' thing doesn't fly as the actual numbers don't support it.

[Nodoubtguy]

I will be happy to see Gilberto go. We have much better options up-front.

We do???

If Jozy gets 10, that will almost replace Defoe. Sadly I don't see anyone else picking up Gilberto's goals

[Sweeper]

Glad to see we are adding some polish to our back line.

[Nodoubtguy]

Glad to see we are adding some polish to our back line.

:leaving:

[flamehawk]

Great news. Our biggest needs appear to have been addressed this off season. Now we need some astute depth signings to bolster the backline and the midfield.

We still need a destroyer DM to play alongside Bradley and unless we don't play with wingers, we need at least one winger.

[Fort York Redcoat]

We do???

If Jozy gets 10, that will almost replace Defoe. Sadly I don't see anyone else picking up Gilberto's goals

IF we can keep goalberto for the first half of the season he and Jozy will be racing to Gila's 6 before they are home on Mother's day. I still think Jozy is a lock for Defoe's 12 even with Giovinco here early. If Giovinco is here early I don't see this scenario panning out...

[ManUtd4ever]

I don't want to lose Gilberto, but our depth at the striker position should be able to withstand his departure if everyone stays healthy. We have Altidore, Dike, and Moore as target forwards, which is very solid by MLS standards.

If the plan is to play a formation with a CF, Gilberto would have been utilized on the wing, so it might make more sense to sell him and use the resources to acquire a natural winger, which is an area of weakness on the current roster.

[ensco]

Glad to see we are adding some polish to our back line.

Check out his wiki, he is about as Polish as Wayne Gretzky was Belo Russian.

[Red4ever]

I don't want to lose Gilberto, but our depth at the striker position should be able to withstand his departure if everyone stays healthy. We have Altidore, Dike, and Moore as target forwards, which is very solid by MLS standards.

If the plan is to play a formation with a CF, Gilberto would have been utilized on the wing, so it might make more sense to sell him and use the resources to acquire a natural winger, which is an area of weakness on the current roster.

I think this is spot on. We are very top heavy. I'd take yet another quality back if we can get one too.

I think people are thinking about replacing what Gilberto looks like he should score, rather what he actually did. Our offence can make up the difference and them some.

[Derko]

Check out his wiki, he is about as Polish as Wayne Gretzky was Belo Russian.

Seems like he meant polish as opposed to Polish, cheeky bugger,lol

[Nodoubtguy]

I don't want to lose Gilberto, but our depth at the striker position should be able to withstand his departure if everyone stays healthy. We have Altidore, Dike, and Moore as target forwards, which is very solid by MLS standards.

If the plan is to play a formation with a CF, Gilberto would have been utilized on the wing, so it might make more sense to sell him and use the resources to acquire a natural winger, which is an area of weakness on the current roster.

I don't buy the depth. Jozy might be good for 10-15, Moore maybe 5-8, as for Dike.....I just want him to pass 20 minutes played this season, maybe Findley and Hamilton add one or two each.

[Areathrasher]

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2015/01/reds-acquire-eriq-zavaleta

Vanney's nephew, that should go down well with some

[OgtheDim]

That's a good move. More back up on defence.

Oh, he's that guy......Vanney's nephew.


A perspective on him from Chivas viewpoint- they rate him. http://www.thegoatparade.com/2014/12/21/7432207/chivas-usa-2014-player-postmortem-eriq-zavaleta-seattle-sounders-chivas-usa-academy-indiana

[Yohan]

Zavaleta is vanney's nephew. I think he's still on GA contract

[Ultra & Proud]

We do???

If Jozy gets 10, that will almost replace Defoe. Sadly I don't see anyone else picking up Gilberto's goals
I want Gilberto to stay as much as anyone but Moore only had one less goal than him in a lot less minutes. Of course Moore's were all garbage goals but still, he can score a bit anyway.

That being said I prefer Gilberto and Altidore up top unless we can score a proven MLS forward at a good salary.

[kwhisperer]

I think this is spot on. We are very top heavy. I'd take yet another quality back if we can get one too.

I think people are thinking about replacing what Gilberto looks like he should score, rather what he actually did. Our offence can make up the difference and them some.


There are reasons why Gilberto may have to go but I don't think quality is one of them - based on last year, I think he would outscore Moore, Findley and Dike .... maybe even combined. I'd love to see what he can accomplish in his second year on a theoretically stronger squad.

[Red CB Toronto]

Zavaleta is vanney's nephew. I think he's still on GA contract
He is GA and also had the same agent as The General in Ron Waxman.

[andmat]

Gives us a little more depth, I Still think we need another older CB with more experience,

[Areathrasher]

The move is getting good reactions from non TFC peeps, which is encouraging...

Charles Boehm @cboehm (https://twitter.com/cboehm) · 9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/cboehm/status/559754183620825088)

TFC: Shopping for strikers in the EPL, shopping for defenders at Chivas USA. (Seriously tho - Zavaleta is a great pickup.)


Drew Epperley @wvhooligan (https://twitter.com/wvhooligan) · 8m8 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/wvhooligan/status/559754389053644800)

Toronto picks up Eriq Zavaleta huh? That’s a pretty solid addition there by the Reds.


Matthew Tomaszewicz @shinguardian (https://twitter.com/shinguardian) · 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/shinguardian/status/559754788397912064)

Bezbatchenko smart with Zavaleta. Tried and true strategy of having youngsters learn behind veterans & for spot starts against weaker teams.

[mowe]

Good signing, our CB lineup is set I think. Would've liked a bit more experience but oh well. That Goat Parade article called him a former GA player though.

[oxygenatedbrain]

Good signing, our CB lineup is set I think. Would've liked a bit more experience but oh well. That Goat Parade article called him a former GA player though.

correct...

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/26/kekuta-manneh-omar-salgado-eriq-zavaleta-david-bingham-graduate-generation-a

[flamehawk]

Iffy about the connotations of signing your nephew but I like that he is apparently fast. Will serve as a complement to the slower Caldwell and Perquis.

I wonder what the depth chart looks like for CB:

1.Perquis
2.Caldwell
3.Hagglund
4.Zavaleta
5.Thomas
6.Simonin

Or do we always pair a vet with a youngster?

[Ultra & Proud]

There are reasons why Gilberto may have to go but I don't think quality is one of them - based on last year, I think he would outscore Moore, Findley and Dike .... maybe even combined. I'd love to see what he can accomplish in his second year on a theoretically stronger squad.
You're probably right but who knows really? He could turn the corner and become legit or he could Barrett all his chances like he did most of last year.

If we do sell him then I just hope it's abroad. We don't need another ex-player tearing up the league.

[pdubs]

Matthew Doyle ‏@MLSAnalyst (https://twitter.com/MLSAnalyst) 15m15 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/MLSAnalyst/status/559756241635799041)
@shinguardian (https://twitter.com/shinguardian) I like Zavaleta a lot. "Smart" is a trait that appreciates over time.

[jabbronies]

Iffy about the connotations of signing your nephew but I like that he is apparently fast. Will serve as a complement to the slower Caldwell and Perquis.

I wonder what the depth chart looks like for CB:

1.Perquis
2.Caldwell
3.Hagglund
4.Zavaleta
5.Thomas
6.Simonin

Or do we always pair a vet with a youngster?

Perquis and Caldwell to start matches.
Bring in Hagglund/Zavaleta to finish off a game and occasionally start (shittier teams, CCL matches, congested schedule)

Always pair a vet and a youngster in my opinion.
You put two kids out there, unless they are very mature players, will be all over the place in terms of positioning.

[WestStandGeoff]

This is actually a plausible scenario. It would take approximately 200K in allocation to pay down Gilberto's salary so that he would fall into that category, as long as the extra DP slot isn't exclusively for domestics.

So what if the extra DP slot is exclusively for domestics... either Bradley or Altidore can take that spot and still leave another one open for Gilberto.

[OgtheDim]

So what if the extra DP slot is exclusively for domestics... either Bradley or Altidore can take that spot and still leave another one open for Gilberto.

The speculation is the 4th DP slot will be for domestics that are between $375K and $1 million, or so. None of our DP's hit that.

[kwhisperer]

You're probably right but who knows really? He could turn the corner and become legit or he could Barrett all his chances like he did most of last year.

If we do sell him then I just hope it's abroad. We don't need another ex-player tearing up the league.


Seems to me he'd be the second best player on the team in terms of technique and pure skill, so the upside is pretty big if he and Altidore actually get a chance together in front of Giovinco, etc. But it sounds like he's going so no point in the what if's, I suppose. I'm just not that convinced by the attacking group post-Gilberto. Some real question marks there. Whatever move they make with Gilberto, they should be able to turn it into improvements for the team in other areas.

[flamehawk]

Perquis and Caldwell to start matches.
Bring in Hagglund/Zavaleta to finish off a game and occasionally start (shittier teams, CCL matches, congested schedule)

Always pair a vet and a youngster in my opinion.
You put two kids out there, unless they are very mature players, will be all over the place in terms of positioning.

By always pair a vet with a youngster I meant whether we sit Caldwell (or Perquis at times) even when fit, just so that either Haggludn or Zavaleta plays - for that bit of pace.

[Detroit_TFC]

I like the Zavaleta move, surprised that Sounders thought he was surplus.

[Detroit_TFC]

damien perquis24 ‏@damienperquis24 (https://twitter.com/damienperquis24) 55m55 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/damienperquis24/status/559726997023514625) I am very happy to have signed for @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) and to be part of this beautiful project Let's go Toronto! All for one!


Just a note that this is the second guy coming in who has called TFC a "project". Somebody is selling a plan, it seems.

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind, too.

[Red CB Toronto]

I like the Zavaleta move, surprised that Sounders thought he was surplus.

Pretty quick, Zavaleta was at training today in Toronto.

[Ajax TFC]

@Armen Bedakian: We finally got the player you wanted from the 2013 superdraft :scarf:

[ManUtd4ever]

I really like the Zavaleta acquisition, especially at that cost.

[Red I]

Yeah, that thought crossed my mind, too.

I think you have to sell it that way - a project as oppsed to a ready-made machine. TFC has a lot to prove, and the players need to know that coming in - Defoe probably saw this as a perrennial championship team or a team on the cusp of dominance, and was probably disappointed when he got here - best to be honest - this team hasn't done a damn thing, and it's going to ake some time - if you don't have the time and patience, then its not the place for you

[ag futbol]

Good move. Two vets, one second, one third year player. Barring injuries that should be enough.

Would like to see a winger and maybe a DM, but otherwise they've ticked all the boxes this offseason. Definitely deserving of kudos for that.

[Yohan]

Good move. Two vets, one second, one third year player. Barring injuries that should be enough.

Would like to see a winger and maybe a DM, but otherwise they've ticked all the boxes this offseason. Definitely deserving of kudos for that.
just a winger for me.

I think Creavalle can play the destroyer DM role, with Bradley doing much of the link up play from midfield keeping Creavalle's role simple. Creavalle's athleticism and ability to cover a lot of ground combined with Bradley should do good enough job of protecting the defenders.

[Red4ever]

So this is the guy from Man City right?

[PopePouri]

So this is the guy from Man City right?

Yes, should be decent right back depth behind Bloom.

[Super]

Man City's Zabaleta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Zabaleta

TFC's Zabaleta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eriq_Zavaleta