Matchday 32: Toronto at New York - Sat Oct 11 7pm TSN4

[Yohan]

Do or die. TFC must win this game to have any realistic chances of making the playoffs. (and hope for Philly to pound Columbus)

NY has not lost in Red Bull Arena in 9 games or something, and losing some guys to int call ups. Though Cahill has been a non factor this season. NY also has Peguy Luyindula suspended, who has been playing the #10 role.
NY defence is somewhat weak, with 2 CBs that are physical, but prone to bonehead mistakes. Think more experienced and better versions of Doneil Henrys. And GK Robles puts on a Jekyl and Hyde act. One moment of brilliance, combined with some terrible gaffs.
Stop Thierry Henry at all cost. Whoever is playing RB has to be really switched on as Henry likes to drift left and cut in. Any miscommunication in defence will leave Henry exploiting the space and he's deadly as a playmaker this season, as well scoring some key goals. Stop Henry, and Bradley Wright-Phillips has shitload of goals, but he needs like 3 good chances to put 1 away.
Pound NYRB midfield, which is weaker than TFC mid, and pray that Defoe doesn't miss sitters.

Come on you Reds

http://i.imgur.com/efzG6j3.jpg

[OgtheDim]

Crevalle had a private training session at half time on Wednesday. Not sure he's ready to go.

[TFC07]

What's word on Gilberto? Is he out for season?

[FRANKIE65]

This match will be the defining moment as far as character on this squad. We'll see who really wants to be there.
I'm going to have to watch this one recorded late Saturday night, so, no internet etc for me until after I've viewed it.
I refuse to give up as long as there is a chance!!!

GO REDS:drum:

[pdubs]

What's word on Gilberto? Is he out for season?

just posted from tfc twitter

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/520634946000793600)
Vanney: "Gilberto will be in the 18 in New York."

[Derko]

^ Good to hear, Let's pull together boys

[notthesun]

Gilberto fully fit according to Vanney. He and Defoe better start.

[FRANKIE65]

Gilberto fully fit according to Vanney. He and Defoe better start.

Yeah and a big "suck it up buttercups" to both of them! Put aside the prima donna bullshit, and, play for the team!!!

[TFC07]

just posted from tfc twitter

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/520634946000793600)
Vanney: "Gilberto will be in the 18 in New York."

Great!

I wonder if Vanney is going to stick with usual 4-4-2 or try something different and more offensive minded approach to this game.

[Yohan]

Great!

I wonder if Vanney is going to stick with usual 4-4-2 or try something different and more offensive minded approach to this game.
expect 4-4-2. too late to tinker with any other formation this late in the season. you need time to learn a new formation, esp after a short turnaround since wed

[Pookie]

Yeah and a big "suck it up buttercups" to both of them! Put aside the prima donna bullshit, and, play for the team!!!

Well if they both play, a free kick on the edge of the box will be interesting.

[Yohan]

Well if they both play, a free kick on the edge of the box will be interesting.
nope. Bradley will just sky it

[Ultra & Proud]

nope. Bradley will just sky it
He can also worm burn it just wide of goal or right into the feet of the wall just as well.

[FRANKIE65]

Well if they both play, a free kick on the edge of the box will be interesting.

Funny, though, that moment you are referring to was probably the first one of the season that had me thinking "WTF is going on with this club"
Let's hope they can all just "man up" and get it done Saturday, without any of that.

[Yohan]

Funny, though, that moment you are referring to was probably the first one of the season that had me thinking "WTF is going on with this club"
Let's hope they can all just "man up" and get it done Saturday, without any of that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61C0oXmur3M

[OgtheDim]

Great!

I wonder if Vanney is going to stick with usual 4-4-2 or try something different and more offensive minded approach to this game.

FWIW, that was a 4-4-2 diamond on Wednesday.

[FRANKIE65]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61C0oXmur3M

Yup, smiles and fist pumps aside...that was a messed up moment. Love Gilberto, but, the man needs to take English lessons if he is staying with this team!!

[JayMolly]

No more games in hand . . .
Only three games left . . .
If the players are NOT up for this match, what can we say?

[Yohan]

some intriguing facts
-NYRB is unbeaten in 9 at home and have won last 6 at Red Bull Arena.
-TFC has 1 win, 1 draw vs NYRB this season.
-all 3 TFC strikers, Gilberto, Defoe and Moore have scored against NYRB this season, with Defoe scoring a goal in each of the game vs NY.

[GhostKiller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61C0oXmur3M
Man watching that video makes me nervous that Bendik is our number one right now. He has his moments but his shot-blocking is suspect.

[Yohan]

Man watching that video makes me nervous that Bendik is our number one right now. He has his moments but his shot-blocking is suspect.
lol. be very sad because shot blocking is Bendik's best attribute

[Pookie]

People. Please stop saying "must win." We don't want any player getting all agitated before the match. ;)

[QBall]

People. Please stop saying "must win." We don't want any player getting all agitated before the match. ;)

How about must not lose or tie?

[khso11]

Got into an accident while getting to NYC, but nothing is stopping me from supporting the Reds! See you travelling supporters at the game.

[JuliquE]

Got into an accident while getting to NYC, but nothing is stopping me from supporting the Reds! See you travelling supporters at the game.
Hero achievement unlocked.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Got into an accident while getting to NYC, but nothing is stopping me from supporting the Reds! See you travelling supporters at the game.

I hope you and yours are all safe and the damage is minimal. Take care out there, man!

[khso11]

Thanks man, everyone's ok, just the car might have to stay here a bit longer.

[OgtheDim]

The @ExpediaCA (https://twitter.com/ExpediaCA) Starting XI: Bendik, Creavalle, Hagglund, Caldwell, Morrow, Jackson, Bekker, Bradley, Osorio, Defoe, Moore


*********


Bekker....ugh.



Bench: Konopka, Bloom, Lovitz, Warner, Oduro, De Rosario, Gilberto

[Richard]

So will we see Gilberto and Defoe on the pitch?

[TFC07]

The @ExpediaCA (https://twitter.com/ExpediaCA) Starting XI: Bendik, Creavalle, Hagglund, Caldwell, Morrow, Jackson, Bekker, Bradley, Osorio, Defoe, Moore


*********


Bekker....ugh.



Bench: Konopka, Bloom, Lovitz, Warner, Oduro, De Rosario, Gilberto

This might explain why Bekker decline CMNT call up! Also, seems like Vanney thinks highly of Bekker which is interesting.

[TFC07]

So will we see Gilberto and Defoe on the pitch?

If we're losing, then yeah we should see those two playing together.

[OgtheDim]

FWIW
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/520324413191753728/6HltRsHn_normal.jpeg New York Red Bulls @NewYorkRedBulls (https://twitter.com/NewYorkRedBulls) · 10m 10 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/NewYorkRedBulls/status/521058900221919232)

Starting XI vs @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc): Robles, Eckersley, Olave, Sekagaya, Kimura, McCarty, Alexander, Sam, Henry, Bover, Wright-Phillips


Finally a chance to yell at Ecks. First time he's played us since he left IIRC. Wish it was Oduro going at him as against Morrow and Osorio.

[notthesun]

Bekker starts again? Osorio on the wing again? Gilberto on the bench???

Vanney better pray we somehow pull this off. Terrible selection.

[OgtheDim]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 30s31 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/521062050941116416) Late Change: Orr replaces Lovitz on the bench

[JuliquE]

Bekker starts again? Osorio on the wing again? Gilberto on the bench???

Vanney better pray we somehow pull this off. Terrible selection.
My thoughts, exactly.

[OgtheDim]

Bekker starts again? Osorio on the wing again? Gilberto on the bench???

Vanney better pray we somehow pull this off. Terrible selection.

Yes, Oduro on the right and Jackson on the left with Osorio in the middle would be my preference. Bekker doesn't track back enough.

[OgtheDim]

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=279409&part=sports


Its also the free game on MLS Live.

[burlington Red]

FWIW
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/520324413191753728/6HltRsHn_normal.jpeg New York Red Bulls @NewYorkRedBulls (https://twitter.com/NewYorkRedBulls) · 10m 10 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/NewYorkRedBulls/status/521058900221919232)

Starting XI vs @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc): Robles, Eckersley, Olave, Sekagaya, Kimura, McCarty, Alexander, Sam, Henry, Bover, Wright-Phillips


Finally a chance to yell at Ecks. First time he's played us since he left IIRC. Wish it was Oduro going at him as against Morrow and Osorio.

hopefully he gets a good reception from our fans, give his all to this club.

[daner90]

Not a fan of the starting 11 at all. Will be surprised if we pull out a point here

[Lumpy]

Leaving our best player( Gilberto) on the bench to start the most important game of the year is asinine.

[JuliquE]

Leaving our best player( Gilberto) on the bench to start the most important game of the year is asinine.
QFT! A real head-scratcher, this. His only saving grace is if, indeed, he WAS struggling with fitness, and he's just taking a little precaution.. but, personally speaking, I don't believe that to be the case, here.

[notthesun]

Oh yeah and Henry not only doesn't start, he doesn't make the 18.

Joke.

[OgtheDim]

Oh yeah and Henry not only doesn't start, he doesn't make the 18.

Joke.

He's with the NT.

[Yohan]

Henry is away with Canadian national team

[SoccerMan]

no reddit stream tonight?

[AlanO]

no reddit stream tonight?

Free stream of the week on MLS website

http://www.mlssoccer.com/stream-of-the-week

[AdamAM]

Bekker playing in the attacking mid role according to the MLS Stream

[SoccerMan]

appreciate that AlanO

[SoccerMan]

no reddit stream tonight?

appreciate that AlanO

[Hamilton_Red]

Free stream of the week on MLS website

http://www.mlssoccer.com/stream-of-the-week


Rats...MLS live doesnt work in the UK.

[Hamilton_Red]

Is there a VLC feed again tonight?

[AdamAM]

Defoe needs to step whining every time something doesn't go his way..... 3 times I've seen him put his arms up and the clock hasn't even hit 5 minutes

[AlanO]

Eckersley being Eckersley

[Mark TFC]

Early positives: Good energy amongst the squad and putting good pressure on them, trying to force turnovers.

[Richard]

Pack it up folks.

[AdamAM]

fuck sake

[Mark TFC]

We need more speed on our defensive wings. That, or we need to close them down much quicker.

[Kaz]

At this point I don't care if they win or not tonight... I'm done for the season.. this team is just so poorly managed. I wish I had the skill to know how to fix it.

[notthesun]

That was probably offside but what does it matter anyways.

[Mark TFC]

Pack it up folks.

Pack it up in the 27th minute? LOL!

[Richard]

Its so annoying to see an opposition cross being completed, and then we have Jackson who I now have counted 4 times hitting a defender. He has been decent so far, just no finesse on the crosses at all.

[kwhisperer]

That was probably offside but what does it matter anyways.


Definitely looked offside to me, not that anyone seemed to care.

[Yohan]

Game was lost when bekker started

[JuliquE]

Have we had enough? Can we see Gilberto, now?!

[Lumpy]

Have we had enough? Can we see Gilberto, now?!

He is our secret weapon.

[Mark TFC]

I really don't understand the logic behind keeping Gilberto on the bench. Defoe looks like he doesn't even give a fuck out there, and then you have one of our best players having a seat...

[jloome]

Game was lost when bekker started

He's been surprisingly not shit tonight. We're playing pretty well; but NY is just a better team at this point, I think.

Might pull it out yet; we've looked dangerous at times.

[Richard]

Well if that's not enough for you.

[AdamAM]

lmaoooooo

[jloome]

Then again...

[Mark TFC]

Oh no...

[JuliquE]

He is our secret weapon.
Is it time, now?

[Lumpy]

He's been surprisingly not shit tonight. We're playing pretty well; but NY is just a better team at this point, I think.

Might pull it out yet; we've looked dangerous at times.

You may have spoke to soon. That goal was on him and Bendk.

[jloome]

Hagglund. totally lost track of his man while covering the post.

[Mark TFC]

New York is where TFC's playoff dreams go to die FFS!

[Richard]

I have to say though that watching Thierry Henry is always a treat.

[Lumpy]

Is it time, now?

Ha. Pretty soon. Patience.

[portu]

That's the end of our season and Vanney's head coaching career.

[Jack]

See you next year...

[jloome]

General disarray.

[OgtheDim]

That defence is not good enough.

[billyfly]

Too bad

[InDa_110]

Fucken losers this team is

[Mark TFC]

Olave is a bozo. Motherfucker needs to keep his hands to himself.

[OgtheDim]

Game was lost when bekker started


You would have chosen Konopka?

[Richard]

You would have chosen Konopka?

Dero?

[Mark TFC]

Fucken losers this team is

Don't watch. :)

[jloome]

Fucken losers this team is

Yes, but they're our losers.

[JuliquE]

Every time we have a corner kick, Olavé gives Hagglund a two-handed push, to the ground -- usually in front of the ref. -- and nothing comes of it, despite Hagglunds efforts, each time, to call his attention to it.

This league, man..

[OgtheDim]

There is something vaguely freeing about knowing this team is definitely not going to make the playoffs.

I think I just went through the 5 stages of grief in about 30 seconds.

[Marc"2L"]

Still time...

But my god, we're never getting another penny from MLSE when the new guy comes in.

Never mind, number 3.

[Lumpy]

You would have chosen Konopka?

Ha. Sounds good. Bekker is a watcher

[Jack]

Every time we have a corner kick, Olavé gives Hagglund a two-handed push, to the ground -- usually in front of the ref. -- and nothing comes of it, despite Hagglunds efforts, each time, to call his attention to it.

This league, man..
The refs in this league might do what 8 seasons of shit haven't been able to do: turn me off watching TFC.

[Mark TFC]

Every time we have a corner kick, Olavé gives Hagglund a two-handed push, to the ground -- usually in front of the ref. -- and nothing comes of it, despite Hagglunds efforts, each time, to call his attention to it.

This league, man..

It happens far too often. But if we did so much as graze someone from the opposing team...

[JuliquE]

Ha. Pretty soon. Patience.
Now, surely. I've been three times as patient as I'd like to have been..

[molenshtain]

well there's always next season.

[Lumpy]

I think its time for Gilbertooooooooo

[jloome]

Shades of 2009 tonight.

[Mark TFC]

Well, those playoffs haven't seemed further away than at this moment.

[RedsYNWA]

See You next year ...in a bigger emptier BMO filed

It's a bloody big deal :facepalm:

[jloome]

The shocking part is we haven't played that badly.

[Mark TFC]

Shades of 2009 tonight.

I said that too. Ugh.

[Jack]

Fucking brutal.

[pdubs]

Painful to say the least

[notthesun]

Thanks for the loss Vanney. We're undefeated with Osorio and Bradley in the middle together so let's not do that. And hey, our striker that creates the most chances and does the most on the pitch is healthy again so let's leave him on the bench.

Sorry to say it, this club needs yet another regime change. I am not taking a flyer on Vanney and nobody will come here with Bez still running things.

[Jack]

How do they only add 2 minutes?

[TFC07]

Bring on Gilberto, Oduro and DeRo in 2nd half.

Take out Bekker, Moore and one of defenders. Time to play 3-4-3 if want to get back into this game.

[RedsYNWA]

I hope they raise ticket prices to pay for DEFOE

[jloome]

We're the Chicago Cubs of MLS, the 'Mazing 'Mets, the Washington Generals.

Tomorrow, tomorrow, we luv yah, tomorrow, it's only a day a-waaaaaay.

Thank you New York! Good night!

[azorean]

How bad are we? New york isn't even that good, they are missing a dp and another influential player and are starting a couple of raw rookies....wow, this is real bad.

[OgtheDim]

The shocking part is we haven't played that badly.

Defensively we have been headless chickens.

[portu]

I'm torn between supporting Vancouver or NYC next season. Advice?

[JuliquE]

Gilberto to score four, if he can make it onto the pitch.

[OgtheDim]

Jason deVos ‏@jasondevos (https://twitter.com/jasondevos) 30s31 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/jasondevos/status/521087463893504001) .@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) getting badly exposed in midfield. No defensive presence whatsoever. Henry having a field day finding pockets of space.


What is that I here?

Somebody suggesting Bradley as the DMC is not a good idea?

[billyfly]

Let's all make fun of the Leaf fans. Oh wait...,

[adam1001]

Lol @ this team. When was the last time Defoe did something useful?

[RedsYNWA]

Poland beat Germany.... there is always that DREAM

[AdamAM]

pretty happy with my decision to not buy a Defoe jersey atm

[Yohan]

I don't understand exactly what bekker has done last two games to deserve a start again.
Just static in defence.
I give up. I'm going to start supporting vancover now

[TFC07]

We're the Chicago Cubs of MLS, the 'Mazing 'Mets, the Washington Generals.

Tomorrow, tomorrow, we luv yah, tomorrow, it's only a day a-waaaaaay.

Thank you New York! Good night!

Or Toronto Maple Leafs of MLS. :(

[OgtheDim]

I'm torn between supporting Vancouver or NYC next season. Advice?


Don' let the road hurt ya getting off the bandwagon.

[Eastend]

How do they only add 2 minutes?

Out of sympathy.

Good first 15 minutes then it just fell apart at the back. I don't know what to say besides SIGH.....

[InDa_110]

Don't watch. :)already out the door.

[pdubs]

baffled by the team selection. Not sure why Bekker gets the start. Osorio out wide is confusing.

[DoubleUp]

Thats because the "cross for the sake of crossing", football that he is being instructed to play is redundant.

[Lumpy]

Our midfield has always been and still is brutal. They can't get the ball up to our high priced talent but they are more than willing to let the other team's high priced talent go by them to score.

[Oldtimer]

Preki would have only lost this game 1-0.

[SS2006]

So was getting rid of Nelson so early in the season and with it wrecking defoe worth it? What a huge difference, vanny has done so much better! Baz and his little power trip is the reason were not making playoffs. Noone else. Ashole

[Eastend]

GILBERTO!
GILBERTO!
GILBERTO!
GILBERTO!

Not saying he's the answer on his own, but he gives 100%. 100% more then all our attackers that keep getting picked.

So frustrating.

[kodiakTFC]

pretty happy with my decision to not buy a Defoe jersey atm

I thought this exact statement last week.

[OgtheDim]

Preki would have only lost this game 1-0.


I thought this lot was the worst TFC lot EVER, or so it seems in here tonight? :D

[jloome]

Well, if anyone thought anything could top Portland, coming back in this one will do it.

[OgtheDim]

So was getting rid of Nelson so early in the season and with it wrecking defoe worth it? What a huge difference, vanny has done so much better! Baz and his little power trip is the reason were not making playoffs. Noone else. Ashole


Yes, cause, you know, Nelsen would have done sooooooooooooooooooo much better.

[RedsYNWA]

This team does not deserve any support for the Montreal game ... save your money, keep your ass warm & STAY HOME

That is what I will do, GOOD NIGHT TFC...like a bad dream I hope to wake up in Spring

[Mark TFC]

Is there the possibility of a draw?

[Lumpy]

Yes, cause, you know, Nelsen would have done sooooooooooooooooooo much better.

Still hanging onto the Vanney love thing ?

[SS2006]

He's the reason we are even still in the playoffs despite doing shit all in the past month or two. Because of our great start. Wtf has vanney done since coming in

[Ultra & Proud]

Well I just came in from the fire to see Osorio's halftime interview. I had no intention of watching this at all but figured I'd boo the score. Once again, exactly as predicted. Zero surprise here.

I am done for this year. We will end up with 41 points, if we're lucky, and then we'll see what happens. If Vanney is brought back then I am done with season tix. Nelson would have got us nowhere as well but this is just hopeless. At least we could defend with Nelsen and would have lost 2-0 or so. You know, put up enough of a fight to make an excuse. We have no excuses now. We are pure shit. The end.

[Eastend]

3 strikers should be interesting. Can't defend so gotta score more then NY.

[JuliquE]

baffled by the team selection. Not sure why Bekker gets the start. Osorio out wide is confusing.
Oso doesn't have enough of an offensive edge/thrust to him to play wide.


I thought this exact statement last week.
Awesome avatar, dude.

[Initial B]

I'm calling 5-0 for New York tonight. And 5 years from now as well. TFC 2014 was simply meant to humble Tim Lieweke. I don't even know how to fix this. The Front Office, the Coaching, the Players, everything seems dysfunctional at best, cursed at worst. And a full reboot will mean just more of the same.

I can't even think is that maybe this is for the best because this year will have used up all possible remaining football goodwill among the casual Toronto fans and guaranteed that Season Ticket Sales will crater this year. I'd say we're going to see a fire sale of players in the off-season, with only Gilberto staying on as DP because he's the cheapest of the three.

Someone, ANYONE, needs to make a large tifo this week to unfurl at the Montreal game:

"We'll Make The Playoffs This Year. Write It Down." - Tim LIEweke

MLSE needs to be held accountable for what happened this year. But I doubt it. At least I have the Ottawa Fury to enjoy.

[Mark TFC]

Oh, look... Vanney remembered about Gilberto!

[jloome]

Wow... NY announcer can't tell Dominic Oduro and Justin Morrow apart. Shameful.

[Mark TFC]

Oduro has the speed but he can't hit the side of a barn.

[JuliquE]

Defoe and Moore are CONSTANTLY flailing their arms around, every time a chance goes awry or they don't get a call.. to the point where opportunities to nick the ball are missed, and the opposition are just playing comfortably around them, in those instances, like pylons.

[TFC07]

I'm calling 5-0 for New York tonight. And 5 years from now as well. TFC 2014 was simply meant to humble Tim Lieweke. I don't even know how to fix this. The Front Office, the Coaching, the Players, everything seems dysfunctional at best, cursed at worst. And a full reboot will mean just more of the same.

I can't even think is that maybe this is for the best because this year will have used up all possible remaining football goodwill among the casual Toronto fans and guaranteed that Season Ticket Sales will crater this year. I'd say we're going to see a fire sale of players in the off-season, with only Gilberto staying on as DP because he's the cheapest of the three.

Someone, ANYONE, needs to make a large tifo this week to unfurl at the Montreal game:

"We'll Make The Playoffs This Year. Write It Down." - Tim LIEweke

MLSE needs to be held accountable for what happened this year. But I doubt it. At least I have the Ottawa Fury to enjoy.

TFC problem always been hiring inexperience management and coaches. Once they fix that flaw, then they will be on right track.

Current players aren't bad what some people here are making them out to be. It's how they're being utilized is issue here.

[OgtheDim]

Still hanging onto the Vanney love thing ?

Meh...ur logic is failing here.


Nelsen wasn't good enough.

Vanney tried and was better.

Wasn't good enough for this stretch either.

Doesn't mean Nelsen would have done any better.

[Mark TFC]

Look at Gilberto - 3 goals down and the man still wants to work. Let this be a lesson to the slackers - ahem... Bekker.

[DoubleUp]

TFC problem always been hiring inexperience management and coaches. Once they fix that flaw, then they will be on right track.

Current players aren't bad what some people here are making them out to be. It's how they're being utilized is issue here.

This.

[Mark TFC]

Meh...ur logic is failing here.


Nelsen wasn't good enough.

Vanney tried and was better.

Wasn't good enough for this stretch either.

Doesn't mean Nelsen would have done any better.

Not starting a flame war here but how has Vanney been better? Just asking, because I can't understand that sentiment.

[Jack]

Osorio hasn't done anything impressive the past few matches with the season on the line.

[Donald Duck]

now I hope Columbus beat Union. I don't want to hear any BS from Vanney anymore and tell him GTFO

[MightyDM]

Yes, cause, you know, Nelsen would have done sooooooooooooooooooo much better.

The team beat NY and tied them on his watch. That is so much better. Facts.

[RedsYNWA]

this.

double this

[bigredone]

I'm calling 5-0 for New York tonight. And 5 years from now as well. TFC 2014 was simply meant to humble Tim Lieweke. I don't even know how to fix this. The Front Office, the Coaching, the Players, everything seems dysfunctional at best, cursed at worst. And a full reboot will mean just more of the same.

Oh no, no, no, no nooooooooo. I can't do it again, not again. Please anything but this......aaaaahhhhhhhhhh. 5 years of Gulag over a reboot. Is there anyone left to come here even.

Crrrruuuuuuuuuuuuud. Your right though.

[molenshtain]

hey now!

[notthesun]

Bradley is quality.

Sign a defensive mid in the off-season so I can see more of that next year.

[Mark TFC]

There we go! Beautiful!

[jloome]

I actually like some of what Vanney has done.
....and that was nice.

We've been too timid though. Should have been playing full-field pressure all night, forcing them to play everything through Henry.

[Mark TFC]

If we can get one more then we can get two more. Come on, boys!

[Jack]

Good. That's better, Oso.

[Mark TFC]

If only we played like this all match...

[Lumpy]

Meh...ur logic is failing here.


Nelsen wasn't good enough.

Vanney tried and was better.

Wasn't good enough for this stretch either.

Doesn't mean Nelsen would have done any better.

We will never know if Nelson would have done better or not. But we do know Vanney has been terrible. If we lose Vanney will have garnered 7 points out of a possible 24. My budgie could do that

[AdamAM]

Say what you will about his finishing but Gilberto has outstanding character. Being treated like shit compared to Bradley and Defoe but still giving it all you've got whenever you're called upon and not calling anybody out ever in any interviews..... we need more Gilbertos in the world :)

[bigredone]

Good. That's better, Oso.

Say something about Gilberto.....

[JuliquE]

If only we played like this all match...
Typically Toronto; always late to the party.

[OgtheDim]

Not starting a flame war here but how has Vanney been better? Just asking, because I can't understand that sentiment.

I compare how our offence (our defence is still as prone to braind dead plays as it was under Nelsen) plays the ball in and around now to what we watched in those games before Nelsen was fired.

I also notice our team is actually healthy, which is something Nelsen could never seem to do.

That and Bradley is engaged, something he wasn't under Nelsen.

And, our set pieces have been threatening.

**

Look, I stated weeks ago that we were not going to make the playoffs based on our defence. No coach could have fixed that. But, the myth of Nelsen the wonder guy who would have gotten us there if we had let him is just that - a myth.

[Eastend]

Look at Gilberto - 3 goals down and the man still wants to work. Let this be a lesson to the slackers - ahem... Bekker.

The man never stops. We just need 9 more like him.

[bigredone]

Typically Toronto; always late to the party.

It looks like the playoffs never invited us.

[Mark TFC]

Thirty minutes in the match. Come on, boys! Please, please earn us a draw at the very least.

[TFC07]

4-3-3 is our new formation! It's actually working for us.

[MightyDM]

Meh...ur logic is failing here.


Nelsen wasn't good enough.

Vanney tried and was better.

Wasn't good enough for this stretch either.

Doesn't mean Nelsen would have done any better.

Vanney is a decent man. There is no interpretation of this season on which it is possible to say "Vanney tried and was better." Sorry, he may give good interviews, but that is utter nonsense. A string of losses, many shutouts, cannot be described as "better".

[OgtheDim]

We will never know if Nelson would have done better or not. But we do know Vanney has been terrible. If we lose Vanney will have garnered 7 points out of a possible 24. My budgie could do that

Agreed he's not been good enough.

[stevep]

this is a goofy league, with bunch of games left tfc loses starting cb (henry) to cdn national team duties. where else does this happen, do the leafs lose a key player the last few weeks of the year to other duties. two games in a row hagglund has let in key goals cost us games

[jloome]

Vanney is a decent man. There is no interpretation of this season on which it is possible to say "Vanney tried and was better." Sorry, he may give good interviews, but that is utter nonsense. A string of losses, many shutouts, cannot be described as "better".

If it were that simple then Jason Kreis, Jay Heaps and Ben Olsen would all be unemployed right now.

It's how the team plays. They've been significantly more confident moving and controlling the ball with Vanney. But we still have some fundamental personnel and chemistry issues to bypass.

I think we keep most of the team together; the front office might quietly feel out the market to see if we can get a major name coach or major winning record coach; but if we can't I'd be comfortable with Vanney, I think.

[Lumpy]

They are playing hard. Need another in the next 10 minutes.

[MightyDM]

I actually like some of what Vanney has done.
....and that was nice.

We've been too timid though. Should have been playing full-field pressure all night, forcing them to play everything through Henry.

Vanney is timid in lots of ways. Nelsen would have been in the officials' ear after the first time Olave pushed Hagglund down. Maybe the next time they would have called the foul.

[pdubs]

We will never know if Nelson would have done better or not. But we do know Vanney has been terrible. If we lose Vanney will have garnered 7 points out of a possible 24. My budgie could do that

Should I rehash nelsons record since the World Cup break again to you? Especially against eastern conference position and the amount of points he gave up? I am not a vanney fan but Nelson had to go. ill give you all the data again if you want. Overall context is key

[OgtheDim]

Oso lets BWP go on that chance.

[Lumpy]

Philly up 1-0

[pdubs]

Btw I can see why he didn't start oduro. Very disappointed in him.

[stevep]

ahh to have laba and silva back on the team now, replace moore with gilberto, put henry back in and get another defensive guy
nice team

[Lumpy]

Osorio is a pylon on D.

[MightyDM]

I compare how our offence (our defence is still as prone to braind dead plays as it was under Nelsen) plays the ball in and around now to what we watched in those games before Nelsen was fired.

I also notice our team is actually healthy, which is something Nelsen could never seem to do.

That and Bradley is engaged, something he wasn't under Nelsen.

And, our set pieces have been threatening.

**

Look, I stated weeks ago that we were not going to make the playoffs based on our defence. No coach could have fixed that. But, the myth of Nelsen the wonder guy who would have gotten us there if we had let him is just that - a myth.

all we are saying is that the results of the team under Nelsen had the club in the playoffs. "Wonder guy?" No. TFC in third, beating Red Bulls at home and tying them away? Yes. Stupid time to fire a coach, and replace him with someone completely without experience as a head coach, particularly given TFC's history? Totally.

[OgtheDim]

Btw I can see why he didn't start oduro. Very disappointed in him.

Maybe cause he only wanted to watch Oduro miss when he should be passing for 45 minutes as against 60?

[JuliquE]

Oduro refuses to challenge for a 50/50 ball, every time; has to take a fortunate bounce, for him to get onto anything.

[Lumpy]

Should I rehash nelsons record since the World Cup break again to you? Especially against eastern conference position and the amount of points he gave up? I am not a vanney fan but Nelson had to go. ill give you all the data again if you want. Overall context is key

I know . Nelsen was 2W-2L-1D in his last 5 games.

[TFC07]

Philly up 2-nil

[cmonyoureds]

I compare how our offence (our defence is still as prone to braind dead plays as it was under Nelsen) plays the ball in and around now to what we watched in those games before Nelsen was fired.

I also notice our team is actually healthy, which is something Nelsen could never seem to do.

That and Bradley is engaged, something he wasn't under Nelsen.

And, our set pieces have been threatening.

**

Look, I stated weeks ago that we were not going to make the playoffs based on our defence. No coach could have fixed that. But, the myth of Nelsen the wonder guy who would have gotten us there if we had let him is just that - a myth.

This seems to be completely the opposite of what Bez said when he fired Nelson. So should Bez be gone?****

****Not a defense of Nelson, just pointing out Bez thought this group was way better than Nelson was getting out of them. Apparently they are not.

[OgtheDim]

There's the Ecks we know and are found to not have around anymore.

I'll take either Bloom or Creavalle over him. (We are better then the TFC circa October 2013).

[pdubs]

Maybe cause he only wanted to watch Oduro miss when he should be passing for 45 minutes as against 60?

His soccer iq is so bad. First touch is usually terrible and his shot is brutal. When we got him I thought he was an upgrade. Now not so sure. He is clueless

[Mark TFC]

Why do we always just start to show urgency in the dying minutes of a match? We might get some positive results if we start playing like we have been the last ten minutes.

[MightyDM]

If it were that simple then Jason Kreis, Jay Heaps and Ben Olsen would all be unemployed right now.

It's how the team plays. They've been significantly more confident moving and controlling the ball with Vanney. But we still have some fundamental personnel and chemistry issues to bypass.

I think we keep most of the team together; the front office might quietly feel out the market to see if we can get a major name coach or major winning record coach; but if we can't I'd be comfortable with Vanney, I think.

They are totally fragile under Vanney. Every game, except Chivas, our defence has been shredded while he is coaching. If they keep him, he'll be fired by mid season. Then where will we be? And I like him as a person, but he can't coach defence.

[Lumpy]

Someone call down to the bench and tell Vanney to put Dero in.

[OgtheDim]

This seems to be completely the opposite of what Bez said when he fired Nelson. So should Bez be gone?

No cause without Bez we will be looking at not competing until 2017.

I'm not willing to wait that long.


And before people get into how DCU turned things around, lets remember that they kept their coach.

[SS2006]

Holy shit oduro is bad..

[SoccMan2]

No defense and overrated players, Caldwell sorry but just not good enough, Haglund had potential but not ready yet to be an everyday starter, Bloom not MLS calibre, Henry not ready yet, in the midfield Osorio overrated , Bendik a good backup not a starter, throw in a rookie coach and you have what you have a non playoff MLS team for the 8th year in a row it's that simple people!

[Lumpy]

Oduro is getting closer to hitting the net. He only missed by 20 ft or so.

[OgtheDim]

I am reminded how much I like Shep Messing as a colour commentator.

[jloome]

Oduro shoots there instead of crossing. Stunning. Stunning how bad his decisions are.

[Mark TFC]

Oduro... what the fuck?!

[MightyDM]

Should I rehash nelsons record since the World Cup break again to you? Especially against eastern conference position and the amount of points he gave up? I am not a vanney fan but Nelson had to go. ill give you all the data again if you want. Overall context is key

If we had played the way we played in Nelsen's last five games since he was fired, we would be in the playoffs.

i am not saying Nelsen was coach of the year, just that firing him was the wrong move, particularly given the history of this club.

[SS2006]

Wow. Philly choked hard. That is it for us as it stands.

[Lumpy]

Whoever called down to the bench to tell Vanney to put Dero in thanks.

[cmonyoureds]

Columbus up 3-2 now

[DoubleUp]

Defoe's link up play is terrible and thats why he is not worth it. Imo

[jazzy]

I really don't understand the logic behind keeping Gilberto on the bench. Defoe looks like he doesn't even give a fuck out there, and then you have one of our best players having a seat...

insert this every year....every coach......sadly

[jloome]

I know people love Osorio on here but physically, he's a playground player. Great dribbling, vision, some good short passes. But he has no physical presence, no ability to track a run because of his lack of pace. He's an offensive threat sometimes but his all around game isn't strong enough to be a starter.

[shwade]

Moore is a lazy ass and has no place throwing his arms around like princess jermaine does

[portu]

Don' let the road hurt ya getting off the bandwagon.
Definitely not on the bandwagon, sorry man.

[pdubs]

I know . Nelsen was 2W-2L-1D in his last 5 games.

This is your favourite line. You disregard most other context. It is amazing lol. Prior to this game, last 5 games for vanney have resulted in the same outcomes 2-2-1. One of those wins was against Montreal. One of vanneys was against Chivas. I am not defending banned but if you want to be a Nelson apologist come up with some new. Quoting his last 5 games is dangerous as well because of that dreadful New England game

[jazzy]

82nd minute and now Dero ?........do coaches go out for beers at the start of the second half ? I guess at 3-0 they thought Oduro could hit the net , etc, etc..

[RedsYNWA]

I wish De --- OUR --- Foe NEVER came back form England

Thanks for missing the Pk and thanks for giving your best SMURF

[MightyDM]

DeRo schools that dude! Yes!

[TFC07]

WTF? Red card for Hagglund? That was typical challenge. Yellow card at most, but not a red card.

[jloome]

What did I miss there?

[jloome]

Astonishing. In a game this important THAT gets a red?

Fucking MLS.

[cmonyoureds]

Someone please interview Bradley after this game!!!!

[Jack]

How is that a red? What the sweet fuck?

[adam1001]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but if columbus wins, we are pretty much out right?

[shwade]

Bradleys gonna get an ulcer. Dude has enough heart for this whole sorry ass team.

[Lumpy]

This is your favourite line. You disregard most other context. It is amazing lol. Prior to this game, last 5 games for vanney have resulted in the same outcomes 2-2-1. One of those wins was against Montreal. One of vanneys was against Chivas. I am not defending banned but if you want to be a Nelson apologist come up with some new. Quoting his last 5 games is dangerous as well because of that dreadful New England game
Ha. Vanney's last game is this mess. But in closing I must say that Nelsen lost only 2 of his last 5 games.

[pdubs]

Strange red card? No protest from hagglund? Maybe because of the time left idk

[MightyDM]

So Olave can freely push Hagglund down in the box, twice, but Hagglund contests a fifty fifty ball and gets a Red? No way.

[Mark TFC]

Ugh.

[Marc"2L"]

Yellow for Bradley so he's suspended, not that it matters.

[TFC07]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but if columbus wins, we are pretty much out right?

Pretty much so unless we win next two games while Columbus lose their next 2 games.

[Richard]

Maybe TFC should take a break like Chivas.

[Eastend]

The season had good points. It's not ending on a high note. This team is not meant to EVER make the playoffs. Ever!!!

[jazzy]

Every time we have a corner kick, Olavé gives Hagglund a two-handed push, to the ground -- usually in front of the ref. -- and nothing comes of it, despite Hagglunds efforts, each time, to call his attention to it.

This league, man..

and then Hagglund jumping for a ball, red card ................................wow just wow

[Jack]

DeRo runs harder than guys 20 years younger...

[pdubs]

Ha. Vanney's last game is this mess. But in closing I must say that Nelsen lost only 2 of his last 5 games.

And vanney got a win taken away from him which the mlast commissioner even said was a goal. So I'll add that it.

Again no defending vanney from me. I would prefer an experienced coach. No available then clearly make vanney interm. I'll give you the full data on Nelson tho since your memory seems a little foggy.

[JuliquE]

DeRo makes a bad pass, and then runs past a sulking Moore, multiple times, in trying to recover possession, as Moore continues to sulk.

He really is a useless slug; opportunistic would be an understatement, in describing the goals he's scored for us (I think ALL tap-ins). Has some nice link-up play, at times.. but is the definition of inconsistent. UGH!

[shwade]

Who the fuck is Olave, fucking buffoon.

[razor787]

Stick a fork in this season. It's done.

Get Defoe the fuck out of here.

[shwade]

DeRo makes a bad pass, and then runs past a sulking Moore, multiple times, as Moore continues to sulk.

He really is a useless slug; opportunistic would be an understatement, in describing the goals he's scored for us (I think ALL tap-ins). Has some nice link-up play, at times.. but is the definition of inconsistent. UGH!

This. He's lazy and doesn't contribute enough to give the other players as much shit as he does.

[shwade]

Defoe really couldn't give a shit less.

[bigredone]

I know people love Osorio on here but physically, he's a playground player. Great dribbling, vision, some good short passes. But he has no physical presence, no ability to track a run because of his lack of pace. He's an offensive threat sometimes but his all around game isn't strong enough to be a starter.

Isn't that because he is right outta the playground. He can and should be developed based on his youthful skills.

[pdubs]

So Olave can freely push Hagglund down in the box, twice, but contests a fifty fifty ball and gets a Red? No way.

Does seem strange. Officiating has been brutally insane all year tho. Not sure if it is the Canadian bias or something idk.

[JuliquE]

Astonishing. In a game this important THAT gets a red?

Fucking MLS.


Someone please interview Bradley after this game!!!!
Yep.

[Jack]

As much as Defoe may be a primadonna, the poor bastard gets ZERO service. Oduro's touch is brutal.

[SS2006]

Theoretically if we tie Columbus at 46 points. Who has the tiebreaker?

[jazzy]

It happens far too often. But if we did so much as graze someone from the opposing team...

uh did u see into the future .......red , so sad.....the whole team is losing it . If the walls had ears

[jloome]

Does seem strange. Officiating has been brutally insane all year tho. Not sure if it is the Canadian bias or something idk.

In our first few seasons, when we were routinely getting twice as many fouls called as opponents, I'd have believed it. But this year we've had a fairly even go of it. THere's just a lot of really bad officiating in this league.

[pdubs]

As much as Defoe may be a primadonna, the poor bastard gets ZERO service. Oduro's touch is brutal.

Oduro needs to go. I was optimistic when he arrived. But all he can offer is is speed. At least Jackson gives us the defence upside for example

[azorean]

As much as Defoe may be a primadonna, the poor bastard gets ZERO service. Oduro's touch is brutal.

I agree with you but I also agree with what was posted earlier, I don't think he gives a shit.what a horrible choice to spend big money. No commitment, injury prone.

[Marc"2L"]

2 year hiatus to stay out of the way of construction sounds good.

Or to install blue seats and forget this ever happened.

[pdubs]

In our first few seasons, when we were routinely getting twice as many fouls called as opponents, I'd have believed it. But this year we've had a fairly even go of it. THere's just a lot of really bad officiating in this league.

Yep agreed. Overall quality is so poor. No consistency except consistently bad.

[Mark TFC]

Very unlikely it'll happen this season but I honestly think we can make the playoffs next year. We have a decent squad, but we need to get rid of the mid-season drama/distractions; the unhappy player/transfer rumours, the behind-the-scenes egos, the firing of yet another head coach (especially without replacing him properly), etc. Obviously a few pieces need to go and a few need to be introduced, but I think what really kills this club is the petty BS that happens off the pitch.

[adam1001]

Well that's all she wrote folks. Never in a million years would I have imagined the season ending like this, especially after what was the most exciting offseason in 7 years. I'm truly speechless.