The 2014 expansion/re-entry draft thread

[Yohan]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-city-lions/on-the-pitch/os-mls-expansion-draft-dates-confirmed-orlando-city-20140917-post.html

10 Dec 2pm
List to be submitted by 8 Dec 2pm

http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/2014-expansion-draft-rules (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/official-mls-expansion-draft-rules)
expansion draft rules

[OgtheDim]

First in with the wish list


Assuming we can only protect 11 and recent HG and GA:



Bradley
Bendik
Morrow
Hagglund
Osorio
Henry
Gilberto
Creavalle
Bloom
Lovitz
Defoe




Bradley - protect your best player - NYFC will take him in a heartbeat.

Bendik - would be hard to get a keeper of his calibre

Morrow - MVP at the back

Hagglund - Future stud CB

Osorio - his time is in the next 3 years

Henry - future CB or international trade bait in 4 years

Gilberto - the best attacking threat we have

Crevalle - swing man - useful at his price - harder to replace easily

Bloom - steady young defender will only get better in next 3 years

Lovitz - protect the future a bit

Defoe - tradeable asset, in January

[ryan]

Shoulda sent Defoe packing, that spot is valuable.

[jloome]

First in with the wish list


Assuming we can only protect 11 and recent HG and GA:



Bradley
Bendik
Morrow
Hagglund
Osorio
Henry
Gilberto
Creavalle
Bloom
Lovitz
Defoe




Bradley - protect your best player - NYFC will take him in a heartbeat.

Bendik - would be hard to get a keeper of his calibre

Morrow - MVP at the back

Hagglund - Future stud CB

Osorio - his time is in the next 3 years

Henry - future CB or international trade bait in 4 years

Gilberto - the best attacking threat we have

Crevalle - swing man - useful at his price - harder to replace easily

Bloom - steady young defender will only get better in next 3 years

Lovitz - protect the future a bit

Defoe - tradeable asset, in January

People generally leave DPs unprotected as n o one will pick up their salary.

[BuSaPuNk]

People generally leave DPs unprotected as n o one will pick up their salary.

With NYCFC coming in I wouldn't take the chance especially with Bradley.

[notthesun]

Don't protect Defoe, do protect Bradley. I feel like NYCFC might have a swipe if they have an open DP slot.

Nobody will touch Defoe with that contract and him wanting out.

[razor787]

Gotta protect defoe. Everyone knows he will be sold before next season. Leaving him unprotected means that another club gets the proceeds of selling him.

Our hands are tied.

[ag futbol]

Gotta protect defoe. Everyone knows he will be sold before next season. Leaving him unprotected means that another club gets the proceeds of selling him.

Our hands are tied.
I'm sure opinion on this will be spit, but I doubt we will be making any money on that deal. And I'm not talking about recovering the up front transfer fee either.


People generally leave DPs unprotected as n o one will pick up their salary.
Then again, what's left on the table that we want to keep?

[reggie]

[QUOTE=OgtheDim;1695633]First in with the wish list


Assuming we can only protect 11 and recent HG and GA:



Bradley
Bendik
Morrow
Hagglund
Osorio
Henry
Gilberto
Creavalle
Bloom
Lovitz
Defoe




Bradley - protect your best player - NYFC will take him in a heartbeat.

Bendik - would be hard to get a keeper of his calibre

Morrow - MVP at the back

Hagglund - Future stud CB

Osorio - his time is in the next 3 years

Henry - future CB or international trade bait in 4 years

Gilberto - the best attacking threat we have

Crevalle - swing man - useful at his price - harder to replace easily

Bloom - steady young defender will only get better in next 3 years
nk
Lovitz - protect the future a bit

Defoe - tradeable asset, in January[/QUOTE

im good with that list...I may protect oduro instead of lovitz,i would not be shocked if we trade bloom to Orlando,i think his wife is stationed ther in the navy,remember we have 4 1st rd picks.

[reggie]

I'm sure opinion on this will be spit, but I doubt we will be making any money on that deal. And I'm not talking about recovering the up front transfer fee either.


Then again, what's left on the table that we want to keep?

its a no brainer to protect him...the fee was 10-11 mil ...even if it goes down to 7 or 8 mil..the guys that we are not protecting are a dime a doz guys.

[BuSaPuNk]

its a no brainer to protect him...the fee was 10-11 mil ...even if it goes down to 7 or 8 mil..the guys that we are not protecting are a dime a doz guys.

Exactly.

Even if the fee we get for selling Defoe in January doesn't cover what we paid in the original transfer at least we get back a large sum that can be reinvested in another DP.

[ag futbol]

its a no brainer to protect him...the fee was 10-11 mil ...even if it goes down to 7 or 8 mil..the guys that we are not protecting are a dime a doz guys.
I'm not so sure it is. We had to incentivize him to come here and his wages reflect that.

If Lambert is the relevant benchmark, we're paying Defoe roughly 1M GBP per year more than Lambert and we've got an extra year on the contract. Lambert's fee was 4M GBP. Subtract 3M GBP for the above market wage the buying club will not pay. That puts you at the 1M GBP mark. Now factor in injury history, a forced seller, competition for Defoe between clubs, Defoe's willingness to forgo wages to get a move ... where does that leave you? Could be any number of places.

[Yohan]

I'm not so sure it is. We had to incentivize him to come here and his wages reflect that.

If Lambert is the relevant benchmark, we're paying Defoe roughly 1M GBP per year more than Lambert and we've got an extra year on the contract. Lambert's fee was 4M GBP. Subtract 3M GBP per year given the above market wage the buying club will not pay. That puts you at the 1M GBP mark. Now factor in injury history, a forced seller, competition for Defoe between clubs, Defoe's willingness to forgo wages to get a move ... where does that leave you? Could be any number of places.
question better asked in Jan, when there is more clear idea of who the relegation battlers will be. EPL money is too lucrative, so a relegation battling club might be tempted to chance on Defoe (esp a London club, which seems to be Defoe's preference)

[molenshtain]

I'm not so sure it is. We had to incentivize him to come here and his wages reflect that.

If Lambert is the relevant benchmark, we're paying Defoe roughly 1M GBP per year more than Lambert and we've got an extra year on the contract. Lambert's fee was 4M GBP. Subtract 3M GBP per year given the above market wage the buying club will not pay. That puts you at the 1M GBP mark. Now factor in injury history, a forced seller, competition for Defoe between clubs, Defoe's willingness to forgo wages to get a move ... where does that leave you? Could be any number of places.

Lambert isn't really the benchmark though. He was sold in a fire sale to his boyhood club and didn't have a ton of bargaining power because his wages were so low to start with. Defoe will not under any circumstances significantly drop his wages to leave, he even asked for increased wages on deadline day supposedly. Defoe also has a more significant pedigree in the league over there, much more so than Lambert, and has a very well connected and influential agent.

not really the same circumstance at all.

[ag futbol]

Lambert isn't really the benchmark though. He was sold in a fire sale to his boyhood club and didn't have a ton of bargaining power because his wages were so low to start with. Defoe will not under any circumstances significantly drop his wages to leave, he even asked for increased wages on deadline day supposedly. Defoe also has a more significant pedigree in the league over there, much more so than Lambert, and has a very well connected and influential agent.

not really the same circumstance at all.
I'm not sure I follow. Sure, the Lambert-Liverpool discount is a possibility. But not being able to bargain based on existing lower wages? Don't think that's terribly relevant, neither is Defoe's mega agent (everybody over there will have a good one). I'll take your word on pedigree, I don't know that one way or another.

I guess we will find out in January. I fail to see why anyone pays full price (edit: or more aptly, above market) for someone who they need to keep on the field immediately for the last half of the season, but is already coming off a lot of football and some injury worries. Then again, EPL clubs manage their money about as well as a gambling addict in a casino. So who am I to day otherwise?

[gdg_9]

I think the debate on whether to protect Defoe or not is probably a moot point.

I can't imagine his agents would negotiate a deal to MLS without some sort of no-trade clause built in.
If I remember correctly, when a player has a no-trade clause, the team is forced to use one of it's protected spots on that player.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we will probably HAVE to use one of the spots on Defoe.

[levyashin]

Just 2 cents worth;
No need to protect Bendik ----at his level there are plenty around.
The rest of the list is a good starting point for next year.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Defoe deal will be sorted before this draft im sure

[Ben - D.O.W.]

So to me this is why you need to protect him: I'm NYCFC and I see Defoe is available - I would pick him up with zero intention of him ever playing for me, and sell him to a relegation threatened club in January for $3-4 million (or whatever discount rate I think I can get away with, without having to worry about what TFC paid to bring him in). That's a ton of allocation money for a club, which to me is worth more than some of the folks who will get picked up in this draft.


(also - sidenote, would that be a way to get around the cap, bring in big money dp's to turn around and sell them for big allocation $?)

[Detroit_TFC]

Two expansion and one dispersal draft at the same time, what a league. Maybe they should just declare a roster wildcard and let everyone redo everything. GMs would have a love explosion if they could do that.

[JuliquE]

If they change the rules, seeing Canadians regarded, now, as domestic, it makes things a bit trickier for us, than in years past.. but, here's my list, as things stand:


1. Bradley

2. Gilberto

3. Defoe (an asset, regardless of where his future lies)

4. Osorio (despite the thinking that teams won't too quickly "waste" an int. spot on Canadians, the value in a player that knows the league/language/etc. and feels at home should not be completely discounted)

5. Jackson (edges Oduro, given his age, salary and general productivity; I'm sure he's also helped Gilberto settle in, as well [chemistry], and I seem to recall rumblings of him holding a greencard)

6. Creavalle (the only cheap, USEFUL utility player we have, really, which you need, in this league; he's also originally from NY, so a risk, if left unprotected)

7. Morrow

8. Hagglund

9. Henry (tempted to leave him off the list, being Canadian and maybe viewed as too raw to use a pick on [penalties conceded and so on], but it's too high risk, for me)

10. Bendik (some years ago, there seemed an abundance in GK talent -- not so, of late, or so it would seem, and Bendik is serviceable; being from NY, as well, it's taking a chance, leaving him unprotected)

11. Bloom (performances, since returning from injury, have dipped, but his age, price-tag [even with a raise], overall reliability and being an Orlando native, means we can all but bank on him being picked; you generally leave players you want to be rid of or those not likely to be picked up unprotected -- Bloom is neither)

** * **

Luke Moore was one I was tempted to include, as he seems to make our attack tick, no matter which of Gilberto or Defoe is in. That said, he's been a bit sluggish, for me, of late, and I feel like DeRo or Osorio could play his role "in the hole," well enough, amongst a fair many others that would be worth giving a look in the position. He's also not the youngest, cheapest, nor most productive.

Caldwell, as important as he is, is going to be 35, next year, and is on an O'Dea-level salary. Would be a shame if he's picked up, but I just don't see it.

Lovitz might be the one lad I'm most afraid we lose, amongst those I've excluded from my list. That said, I think we hype him up a bit too much, and he's getting figured out. One for the future, to be sure, and I would hope to see our young core remain together.. but, I don't view him as so invaluable, as there's a good chance, if he's picked up, that we're left with someone else that might have played his role, anyway (i.e. Oduro, amongst one or two others).

[Yohan]

TBD - MLS Dispersal Draft for Chivas USA
December 7th, 2014 - MLS Cup Final
December 8th, 2014 - Trade window opens
December 10th, 2014 - MLS expansion draft
December 12th, 2014 - MLS re-entry draft phase one
December 19th, 2014 - MLS re-entry draft phase two
January 2nd to 6th, 2015 - MLS SuperDraft Caribbean combine
January 8th to 12th, 2015 - MLS SuperDraft combine
January 15th, 2015 - MLS SuperDraft

[ag futbol]

MLS cup final is in December?!? I know it's a World Cup year but that is just too damn long of a season. They should be over and done with by 2nd week of November at the latest. I would even argue end of October being preferable.

[Yohan]

MLS cup final is in December?!? I know it's a World Cup year but that is just too damn long of a season. They should be over and done with by 2nd week of November at the latest. I would even argue end of October being preferable.
Impossible with 34 game season plus US Open Cup/V Cup. Add in CCL for some teams. June is basically a write off due to Gold Cup/WC/Copa America. If you count June as dud, MLS has 7 months, while most European leagues have 9 months

[Yohan]

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/14/fc-dallas-have-first-pick-next-weeks-mls-dispersal-draft
Chivas USA Dispersal Draft order:


FC Dallas
New York City FC
Sporting Kansas City
DC United
New England Revolution
Montreal Impact
Orlando City SC
Colorado Rapids
San Jose Earthquakes
Real Salt Lake
Houston Dynamo
Portland Timbers
Chicago Fire
Toronto FC
Columbus Crew SC
LA Galaxy
Philadelphia Union
New York Red Bulls
Seattle Sounders FC
Vancouver Whitecaps FC

[OgtheDim]

Well so much for that then.

Does Dallas need a keeper?

[Oldtimer]

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/14/fc-dallas-have-first-pick-next-weeks-mls-dispersal-draft
Chivas USA Dispersal Draft order:


FC Dallas
New York City FC
Sporting Kansas City
DC United
New England Revolution
Montreal Impact
Orlando City SC
Colorado Rapids
San Jose Earthquakes
Real Salt Lake
Houston Dynamo
Portland Timbers
Chicago Fire
Toronto FC
Columbus Crew SC
LA Galaxy
Philadelphia Union
New York Red Bulls
Seattle Sounders FC
Vancouver Whitecaps FC



TFC loses yet again. Nothing goes right for this club. :(

[BuSaPuNk]

Weighted draft my fucking ass.

[Still Kicking]

Drum roll please - and now TFC fans, the return of Nathan Sturgis !!!!

[Initial B]

TFC loses yet again. Nothing goes right for this club. :(
There's nothing really of value past the top 7 spots in this draft so everyone beyond those spots are kind of losers as well. I'm not worried about this, so long as Karma comes around and blesses us on a draft that really matters.

[ag futbol]

Impossible with 34 game season plus US Open Cup/V Cup. Add in CCL for some teams. June is basically a write off due to Gold Cup/WC/Copa America. If you count June as dud, MLS has 7 months, while most European leagues have 9 months
Well whatever the solution, they need to end on a high note. MLS is not the only league with scheduling challenges; the international dates are terribly slanted towards Europe.

I just think it's gone on too long and interest has fallen off. Play as many games as you can, but keep people's interest.

[DeRo Fan #1]

First in with the wish list


Assuming we can only protect 11 and recent HG and GA:



Bradley
Bendik
Morrow
Hagglund
Osorio
Henry
Gilberto
Creavalle
Bloom
Lovitz
Defoe




Bradley - protect your best player - NYFC will take him in a heartbeat.

Bendik - would be hard to get a keeper of his calibre

Morrow - MVP at the back

Hagglund - Future stud CB

Osorio - his time is in the next 3 years

Henry - future CB or international trade bait in 4 years

Gilberto - the best attacking threat we have

Crevalle - swing man - useful at his price - harder to replace easily

Bloom - steady young defender will only get better in next 3 years

Lovitz - protect the future a bit

Defoe - tradeable asset, in January

Henry can't be picked up if he's on loan.
And why Creavalle?
I mean Moore would be easily picked up.

[OgtheDim]

Henry can't be picked up if he's on loan.
And why Creavalle?
I mean Moore would be easily picked up.

At the time, we didn't know Henry was on loan.

Creavalle is harder to replace as a sub. Cheap and young. Basically, he's an upgrade on Hall.

[TFC07]

TFC loses yet again. Nothing goes right for this club. :(

If we really want someone from Chivas, then we could make a trade with one of top 5 teams on the list to grab that player. A draft pick and/or allocation money could be enough to make a trade.

[DeRo Fan #1]

At the time, we didn't know Henry was on loan.


Creavalle is harder to replace as a sub. Cheap and young. Basically, he's an upgrade on Hall.

Oh, I see.

That does make sense.
But Moore will still easily be picked up if they leave him unprotected.

[Ultra & Proud]

Oh, I see.

That does make sense.
But Moore will still easily be picked up if they leave him unprotected.
Moore is on loan too.

[ag futbol]

Definitely protect Creavalle.

Lovitz is a dime a dozen player in this league. Overall, we're not very deep and this shouldn't pose much of an issue. Wouldn't be surprised if we came through this untouched.

[sidvan]

If we really want someone from Chivas, then we could make a trade with one of top 5 teams on the list to grab that player. A draft pick and/or allocation money could be enough to make a trade.
i think the draft position is non tradeable

[TFC07]

i think the draft position is non tradeable

Team can pick player TFC want then trade to TFC on later date.

[jloome]

Moore is on loan too.

I don't believe so. We got him in a three-way trade with Chivas and Colorado.

[DeRo Fan #1]

Moore is on loan too.

From who?
He signed with Chivas and TFC got him in a three-team trade for Agbossoumonde.

[Oldtimer]

If we really want someone from Chivas, then we could make a trade with one of top 5 teams on the list to grab that player. A draft pick and/or allocation money could be enough to make a trade.

That doesn't benefit TFC like getting a decent player for free (which is what would have happened if they had had a top pick). If they want to spend allocation money on a player, unless one or the other side gets the better of the other, it's an even transaction.

[OgtheDim]

Teams get Garber Bucks if they lose a player to the expansion draft. (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/16/mls-teams-receive-allocation-money-players-picked-nycfc-orlando-city-expansi)

[sashavukelich]

Definitely protect Creavalle.

Lovitz is a dime a dozen player in this league. Overall, we're not very deep and this shouldn't pose much of an issue. Wouldn't be surprised if we came through this untouched.

ooo, i'd agree with you if he was right footed. But as a left-footed attacking player...they actually aren't that common. You'll find teams that come across good ones, hang on to them for a long time (Davis/Donovan etc).

Personally i think lovitz has it in him to possibly make the USMNT (january camp kind of guy) if he develops to his maximum potential. I say we definitely keep him and protect him.

[sashavukelich]

From who?
He signed with Chivas and TFC got him in a three-team trade for Agbossoumonde.

this is correct.


Also a lot of people are talking about the Chivas draft...we'll see what the contract situations are like, i expect a lot of teams to 'pass' in this.

[Yohan]

http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/2014-expansion-draft-rules

2014 expansion draft rules

[CommradePolski]

Anyone know if there will be a stream or whatever of the conference call for the dispersal draft?

[Jpexxx]

Armen Bedakian ‏@ArmenBedakian (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian) 41s41 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian/status/535184983737237505)
Toronto FC fans ought to be high five-ing Greg Vanney and Tim Bezbatchenko all the way to the StubHub Centre for that pick up. Incredible!
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Armen Bedakian ‏@ArmenBedakian (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian/status/535184599534817283)
Toronto FC acquire Marco Delgado via Chivas USA dispersal draft. #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) #MLS (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MLS?src=hash)

[Detroit_TFC]

Did TFC pick a gold coin out of the fountain? That's seems to be what people are saying about Delgado.

[Jpexxx]

Did TFC pick a gold coin out of the fountain? That's seems to be what people are saying about Delgado.

Some dude on Reddit predicted TFC would take Delgado with their pick 20 days ago... I asked him for more on Delgado and he said this:

Chivas USAArmandoBroncas (http://www.reddit.com/user/ArmandoBroncas) 3 points 20 days ago
Yes he is a Homegrown player. Could be deployed as a RB, RM, CDM, and CM. Very versatile. Gives it his all till the very end.

[PopePouri]

A player well known by Vanney from his time at Chivas.

[gdg_9]

Here's what the Goat Parade (Chivas SB Nation site) had to say about TFC's newest addition, Marco Delgado, going into the dispersal draft...


http://www.thegoatparade.com/2014/11/5/7153099/your-chivas-usa-dispersal-draft-guide-mls-2014-2015-dan-kennedy-cubo-torres



VERY LIKELY TO BE SELECTED:
...
Marky Delgado (http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/mls/players/152545/marky-delgado), M: Another youngster, and Delgado's a 19-year-old with plenty of MLS experience at a variety of positions. He's played central midfield, wide midfield and both fullback slots in two seasons. Has had minor season-ending knee surgery two years in a row, so there may be concerns about durability, but the Homegrown player has a lot of upside.

[gdg_9]

Tweet from Jordan Hamilton:


Jordan Hamilton ‏@jayhams 15m15 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/jayhams/status/535185825169162240) Remember playing @MarkyDelgado (https://twitter.com/MarkyDelgado) in the MLS youth cup 4 years ago back in Dallas, huge talent ! Welcome bro #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash)

[ensco]

I don't know a thing about Delgado, but I like the idea of picking up a 19 year old with 37 starts. I like the sound of that a lot.

[pdubs]

I don't know a thing about Delgado, but I like the idea of picking up a 19 year old with 37 starts. I like the sound of that a lot.

x2. apparently he has played multiple positions which could be interesting for us. sounds like a good pickup!

[Oldtimer]

x2. apparently he has played multiple positions which could be interesting for us. sounds like a good pickup!

We haven't really had that since Pozniak!

[Fort York Redcoat]

Glad that Delgado has so many options position wise. Hope he can stay healthy.

[ManUtd4ever]

Other than his injury woes, the general consensus among most observers is that he was a very solid pickup by TFC.

[C.Ronaldo]

Some dude on Reddit predicted TFC would take Delgado with their pick 20 days ago... I asked him for more on Delgado and he said this:

Chivas USAArmandoBroncas (http://www.reddit.com/user/ArmandoBroncas) 3 points 20 days ago
Yes he is a Homegrown player. Could be deployed as a RB, RM, CDM, and CM. Very versatile. Gives it his all till the very end.

finding players to match MBs intensity?

[Jpexxx]

^
Hopefully that's part of their decision making this off season...


Marky Delgado @MarkyDelgado (https://twitter.com/MarkyDelgado) · 13h13 hours ago (https://twitter.com/MarkyDelgado/status/535269363872313344)

Thank you everyone for the warm welcoming! Beyond excited for this new chapter in my career with @torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) . See you all in Toronto!https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/1f341.pnghttps://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v1/72x72/26c4.png
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[Yohan]

http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/content/orlando-city-sc-and-new-york-city-fc-prepare-build-rosters-available-player-list-announced-0

complete list of players available for Wed's expansion draft

[sidvan]

confused by the link above as it shows:
Homegrown Players exempt from selection
Aparicio, Manuel
Delgado, Marco
Hamilton, Jordan
Henry, Doneil
Manella, Chris
Morgan, Ashtone
Roberts, Quillan

Not on list on TFC website http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/12/toronto-fc-protects-11-players-expansion-draft

hmmm

[Pint]

confused by the link above as it shows:
Homegrown Players exempt from selection
Aparicio, Manuel
Delgado, Marco
Hamilton, Jordan
Henry, Doneil
Manella, Chris
Morgan, Ashtone
Roberts, Quillan

Not on list on TFC website http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/12/toronto-fc-protects-11-players-expansion-draft

hmmm

He isn't a Toronto FC player.

[MightyDM]

He isn't a Toronto FC player.

who knows? Maybe he has been loaned back again!

[DeRo Fan #1]

That one with Henry also showed Brad Orr.
They technically still haven't been sent back to their clubs yet.

[Pint]

That one with Henry also showed Brad Orr.
They technically still haven't been sent back to their clubs yet.

Are you sure? Orr is back in England and tweeted something about a game tomorrow. I thought the team returned both players last week?

[Ruffian]

Are you sure? Orr is back in England and tweeted something about a game tomorrow. I thought the team returned both players last week?

I think even if they have returned, Toronto FC still own their rights for future signing, so the new teams may see some value in owning this right because they see a future signing.

[Pendrith]

Mark Bloom probably wants to play closer to home in Orlando and Orlando wants hime, therefore, TFC does not protect him and Orlando picks him up and TFC will get something in the future, otherwise protecting Bekker over Bloom makes no sende.

[starter]

Mark Bloom probably wants to play closer to home in Orlando and Orlando wants hime, therefore, TFC does not protect him and Orlando picks him up and TFC will get something in the future, otherwise protecting Bekker over Bloom makes no sende.
If Orlando wants Bloom so much, why do not we trade him there instead, might at least get some allocation at least ?
Otherwise we are better off sticking with him.

[Detroit_TFC]

I think even if they have returned, Toronto FC still own their rights for future signing, so the new teams may see some value in owning this right because they see a future signing.

The rosters are probably as of some date and don't include known upcoming changes. For example, Thierry Henry is on RBNY's unprotected list, despite him already announcing his departure.

[OgtheDim]

Bekker to Montreal is the only reason I can figure he is being held.

[Canary10]

Bekker to Montreal is the only reason I can figure he is being held.

Is it entirely impossible that some people at TFC think Bekker can be a good player in MLS? He's a fairly decent passer of the ball, he's pretty calm on the ball, he's still young. He did reasonably well for us when Bradley was away at the World Cup, stepping into a role he probably wasn't even really read for. I think it might be too early to just write him off. Some players need 3 or 4 good years in the league before coming into their own. Sometimes I think Bekker's haircut doomed him forever with the fans.

[Yohan]

Is it entirely impossible that some people at TFC think Bekker can be a good player in MLS? He's a fairly decent passer of the ball, he's pretty calm on the ball, he's still young. He did reasonably well for us when Bradley was away at the World Cup, stepping into a role he probably wasn't even really read for. I think it might be too early to just write him off. Some players need 3 or 4 good years in the league before coming into their own. Sometimes I think Bekker's haircut doomed him forever with the fans.
lol no. lack of composure and decision making is Bekker's biggest fault

[PopePouri]

Probably needs a preseason under Vanney. He was good against New England when he was in a more advanced position finding pockets of space in front of back four.

[brad]

The rosters are probably as of some date and don't include known upcoming changes. For example, Thierry Henry is on RBNY's unprotected list, despite him already announcing his departure.

I think Henry is likely on there as a technicality. I believe his contract will expire at the end of the year and the draft is tomorrow, so he would need to be included.

[Canary10]

lol no. lack of composure and decision making is Bekker's biggest fault

For a kid his age, I'm surprised at how willing he is to hold on and try to play out of trouble. To say composure is his biggest fault? Wow, just don't agree. Work ethic would be higher on that list for me.

[Richard]

For a kid his age, I'm surprised at how willing he is to hold on and try to play out of trouble. To say composure is his biggest fault? Wow, just don't agree. Work ethic would be higher on that list for me.

The dudes 24.... I think you mean to say inexperienced considering the lack of professional game time he has.

I think he needs a full 30+ games at some other lower league.

[T-boy]

For a kid his age, I'm surprised at how willing he is to hold on and try to play out of trouble. To say composure is his biggest fault? Wow, just don't agree. Work ethic would be higher on that list for me.

You are both correct, really. Bekker gives the impression of being composed, however that also means his decision making isn't quite quick enough. If he was ACTUALLY composed on the ball, he would be able to make those decision quicker, play himself and the team out of trouble. Outwardly he appears composed, but his play doesn't really show that natural composure at all.

[flamehawk]

If Orlando wants Bloom so much, why do not we trade him there instead, might at least get some allocation at least ?
Otherwise we are better off sticking with him.

This ensures, however unlikely, that nycfc doesn't take two players and allows us to protect an additional one. Trade doesn't allow that.

[jloome]

For a kid his age, I'm surprised at how willing he is to hold on and try to play out of trouble. To say composure is his biggest fault? Wow, just don't agree. Work ethic would be higher on that list for me.

No, I agree with Yohan. No composure whatsoever; or, more to the point, no decision making skills. It's not that he looks flustered, he just makes a lot of bad decisions which, later in the game, translates into rushing his decisions and either playing a safe outlet or losing the ball.

He also doesn't track the play defensively, doesn't hustle back to cover his zone.

Bekker has tons of technique so I can see Vanney thinking he's a worthwhile project. But he's done nothing to show it so far; he plays arrogantly, like he's a lot better than he is, and that doesn't usually bode well for future development. Look at Mattocks, who is a physically dominant player with Olympic speed and a three-foot vertical jump, and actually looked worse last season than in his first year. Same basic problem.

[jloome]

You are both correct, really. Bekker gives the impression of being composed, however that also means his decision making isn't quite quick enough. If he was ACTUALLY composed on the ball, he would be able to make those decision quicker, play himself and the team out of trouble. Outwardly he appears composed, but his play doesn't really show that natural composure at all.

This!

[OgtheDim]

He's really composed passing that ball back to Henry to hoof up to Defoe to have no chance to get.

[C.Ronaldo]

This!

hes deer in the headlights.

he needs a reality check then to build on some real confidence, not arrogance

[ag futbol]

lol no. lack of composure and decision making is Bekker's biggest fault
Have to disagree there, he's miles ahead of the average MLS prospect in that regard. No game intensity, lack of urgency, poor defensive effort... That's what's keeping him off the field.

It's not slow decision making or deer in headlights, it's a end product of a former grinder coach with defensive minded (and low footy iq) wingers not showing for the ball where they should. Bradley and Osorio had to suffer through the same crap all year as well. If I had a quarter for every time someone chewed out Jackson or Oduro for making outstanding stupid runs taking them selves out of the play, I could have paid Defoe's salary. Movement off the ball has to be better and the play more dynamic out wide. That's why all these guys are on the block.

And this isn't to say Bekker is a perfect player attack wise, but wow there really wasn't much for our central mids to work with.

[C.Ronaldo]

Have to disagree there, he's miles ahead of the average MLS prospect in that regard. No game intensity, lack of urgency, poor defensive effort... That's what's keeping him off the field.

It's not slow decision making or deer in headlights, it's a end product of a former grinder coach with defensive minded (and low footy iq) wingers not showing for the ball where they should. Bradley and Osorio had to suffer through the same crap all year as well. If I had a quarter for every time someone chewed out Jackson or Oduro for making outstanding stupid runs taking them selves out of the play, I could have paid Defoe's salary. Movement off the ball has to be better and the play more dynamic out wide. That's why all these guys are on the block.

true,
and to be fair, Kyle's passing options werent always in abundance.

[Dub Narcotic]

Kyle Bekker is an attacking midfielder with zero goals and zero assists in 1452 pro minutes (over 16 games equivalent). Whoscored had him ranked about the same as Jeremy Hall in effectiveness last year. His one above-average skill is that he can hit free kicks and corners well, but he's below average in all other parts of the game. If he wasn't Canadian and a high draft pick, he would probably be getting cut this offseason.

[Canary10]

Have to disagree there, he's miles ahead of the average MLS prospect in that regard. No game intensity, lack of urgency, poor defensive effort... That's what's keeping him off the field.

It's not slow decision making or deer in headlights, it's a end product of a former grinder coach with defensive minded (and low footy iq) wingers not showing for the ball where they should. Bradley and Osorio had to suffer through the same crap all year as well. If I had a quarter for every time someone chewed out Jackson or Oduro for making outstanding stupid runs taking them selves out of the play, I could have paid Defoe's salary. Movement off the ball has to be better and the play more dynamic out wide. That's why all these guys are on the block.

And this isn't to say Bekker is a perfect player attack wise, but wow there really wasn't much for our central mids to work with.

I tend to agree with this. And to the someone else's point, yeah, I mean for a player with the amount of MLS game experience he has more than age. I totally hear what Jloome and Yohan are saying too, but I don't think composure is his biggest flaw.

Anyway, I don't have a horse in the race here, just musing about why we might protect him. I think as fans we all give up on players way too easily.

[starter]

This ensures, however unlikely, that nycfc doesn't take two players and allows us to protect an additional one. Trade doesn't allow that.

Mathematically this make sense, even though our scrap heap is vastly overvalued.
Think club should have protected Lovits and Bloom/Jackson, instead of Bekker and Moore though.

[Ultra & Proud]

Mathematically this make sense, even though our scrap heap is vastly overvalued.
Think club should have protected Lovits and Bloom/Jackson, instead of Bekker and Moore though.
I think it's possible Bloom asked to be unprotected and some handshake deal is in effect with Orlando to let him go to live with his new family.

As for Bekker and Moore, Vanney sees something there I guess.

[portu]

Wait, if Henry's protected due to being a homegrown despite the fact that his loan is up, does that mean we still own his MLS rights?

[brad]

No, I agree with Yohan. No composure whatsoever; or, more to the point, no decision making skills. It's not that he looks flustered, he just makes a lot of bad decisions which, later in the game, translates into rushing his decisions and either playing a safe outlet or losing the ball.

He also doesn't track the play defensively, doesn't hustle back to cover his zone.

Bekker has tons of technique so I can see Vanney thinking he's a worthwhile project. But he's done nothing to show it so far; he plays arrogantly, like he's a lot better than he is, and that doesn't usually bode well for future development. Look at Mattocks, who is a physically dominant player with Olympic speed and a three-foot vertical jump, and actually looked worse last season than in his first year. Same basic problem.

I think you have basically hit the nail on the head. Lack of composure & poor decisions under pressure are the sort of thing that would be magnified in a game situation (vs practice), which could explain why Vanney (and Nelsen before) rate him. I could easily see him being the kind of player that is a standout in practice where the pressure is much lower.

[brad]

I think it's possible Bloom asked to be unprotected and some handshake deal is in effect with Orlando to let him go to live with his new family.

As for Bekker and Moore, Vanney sees something there I guess.

This was my first thought. They want Bloom, and he wants to go back and there is a handshake deal of some sort to allow that.

[brad]

Wait, if Henry's protected due to being a homegrown despite the fact that his loan is up, does that mean we still own his MLS rights?

That's a good question. We sold him for a fee, which usually means losing the MLS rights. But I'm not sure how that works for HG players...

Paging Yohan.....

[OgtheDim]

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 14m14 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/542682882083659776)
If Bloom goes today, judge decision not to protect him in late February, not December.














OgtheDim ‏@OgtheDim (https://twitter.com/OgtheDim) 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/542685063901892608)

@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) Nobody should begrudge Bloom wanting to be near his family.







Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/542685925399351296)

@OgtheDim (https://twitter.com/OgtheDim) He wasn't left unprotected for that reason.

[Canary10]

Is Delgado a right back? Maybe the idea is to slot him there next year?

[Canary10]

MLSsoccer.com's mock draft had us losing Bloom and Dike:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/09/mock-mls-expansion-draft-who-will-orlando-city-and-new-york-city-fc-pick-wed

[mowe]

OgtheDim ‏@OgtheDim (https://twitter.com/OgtheDim) 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/OgtheDim/status/542685063901892608)

@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) Nobody should begrudge Bloom wanting to be near his family.
Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/542685925399351296)

@OgtheDim (https://twitter.com/OgtheDim) He wasn't left unprotected for that reason.



Interesting, so management might have plans to upgrade at RB. I'm for it, Bloom is average at the position.


This was my first thought. They want Bloom, and he wants to go back and there is a handshake deal of some sort to allow that.

If Orlando really wanted him (of which there has been no indication thus far), they could've just traded for him. TFC would've done it for allocation greater than they would've got if he's picked in the draft. As it stands now NYC could take him.

[Ultra & Proud]

If Orlando really wanted him (of which there has been no indication thus far), they could've just traded for him. TFC would've done it for allocation greater than they would've got if he's picked in the draft. As it stands now NYC could take him.
If I were Orlando I wouldn't offer much for Bloom as he isn't worth it. He is one of our typically overvalued TFC players that is basically great because of his low wages. He'll be going to Orlando (if they pick him) as depth or so it looks. You don't get a lot of allocation for bench depth especially with the expansion draft looming.

[Captain]

"If NYCFC or Orlando City SC selects a Supplemental Roster Player, it must offer him a Senior Roster position and he must remain on the Senior Roster as of Roster Compliance Date"
Do you suppose this is why Daniel Lovitz was left unprotected? They would have to offer him a senior roster spot which would mean a higher salary or am I understanding this incorrectly?

Also, how many International Players have we left unprotected? There are restrictions on the numbers of international players that can be left unprotected. Since Bekker was protected, do you think it's because they had no choice. Bekker would count as International for NYCFC and OCSC.

Just trying to makes sense of the protected list.

[Areathrasher]

If I were Orlando I wouldn't offer much for Bloom as he isn't worth it. He is one of our typically overvalued TFC players that is basically great because of his low wages. He'll be going to Orlando (if they pick him) as depth or so it looks. You don't get a lot of allocation for bench depth especially with the expansion draft looming.

Depth? He'd be their starting RB. The only two players on the current roster that can play RB are kids that have never played an MLS game.

[molenshtain]

If I were Orlando I wouldn't offer much for Bloom as he isn't worth it. He is one of our typically overvalued TFC players that is basically great because of his low wages. He'll be going to Orlando (if they pick him) as depth or so it looks. You don't get a lot of allocation for bench depth especially with the expansion draft looming.

Bloom and Morrow might have been the best FB pairing in the league the first 10 games. We know multiple players were run into the ground by Nelsen as the season wore on, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what caused his drop-off in form. I'll be sad if we lose a starter like him considering the wages he's on and what he's brought to the team.

[MKR]

Bloom and Morrow might have been the best FB pairing in the league the first 10 games. We know multiple players were run into the ground by Nelsen as the season wore on, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's what caused his drop-off in form. I'll be sad if we lose a starter like him considering the wages he's on and what he's brought to the team.

totally. I would consider Bloom a big loss if he ends up being picked. on to the whole 'he wants to be with his family thing', wtf. He's in the wrong profession if it means that much to him. Whatever i don't blame the team for leaving him unprotected if he went to management and requested that and i don't blame him for asking if it's so important to him, but still it pisses me off. Bloom is most definitely a keeper.

[backbeat]

totally. I would consider Bloom a big loss if he ends up being picked. on to the whole 'he wants to be with his family thing', wtf. He's in the wrong profession if it means that much to him. Whatever i don't blame the team for leaving him unprotected if he went to management and requested that and i don't blame him for asking if it's so important to him, but still it pisses me off. Bloom is most definitely a keeper.


no he's a RB....... :rofl:

[Stress]

I'm in the "Bloom is overvalued" camp. Have to remember his salary is likely moving up. He was okay relative to what we have had in the past but he was by no means unreplaceable. We picked up Marky Delgado and given his salary and MLS experience, I'm guessing he'll be at least comparable to the Bloom of the last few years.

On the other hand, I'm glad we protected Moore. I think he did pretty well and with better service, him and Gilberto can be a successful pair. He's a quiet dude but I liked the passion he showed when playing Columbus. Also if the transfer rumours are accurate, he might be a decent asset to keep in the stable.

[Ultra & Proud]

Depth? He'd be their starting RB. The only two players on the current roster that can play RB are kids that have never played an MLS game.
Have you taken a look at what other fullbacks are available today? Beyond fighting with Ramos and Turner for space along the back I expect Orlando to grab at least some of Wingert, Ashe, Gonzalez, or even Gargan.

I think a lot of people really overrate Bloom. He is average and that's it.

[spark]

It's a little bit funny that anyone is getting bent out of shape about potentially losing Bloom. Had anyone heard of him before coming to TFC? My point being, if TFC had strong scouting in place at the NASL/USL Pro level I don't think it is that much of a stretch that there is another "Mark Bloom" out there right now. In fact, I'd almost guarantee it.

Re Bekker - my suspicion is that TFC are paranoid about having ANOTHER player let go for nothing (or next to) and have them go on and be successful somewhere else. I had a 'source' tell me there was an offer for him this summer, so it would look pretty bad if they turned it down and they had him out available in the draft.

[Ultra & Proud]

It's a little bit funny that anyone is getting bent out of shape about potentially losing Bloom. Had anyone heard of him before coming to TFC? My point being, if TFC had strong scouting in place at the NASL/USL Pro level I don't think it is that much of a stretch that there is another "Mark Bloom" out there right now. In fact, I'd almost guarantee it.

Re Bekker - my suspicion is that TFC are paranoid about having ANOTHER player let go for nothing (or next to) and have them go on and be successful somewhere else. I had a 'source' tell me there was an offer for him this summer, so it would look pretty bad if they turned it down and they had him out available in the draft.
Agree with everything here.

[ManUtd4ever]

I'm not concerned with losing Bloom either. If we want to be contenders, there was a need to upgrade at RB.

I am however perplexed by the decision to protect Bekker instead of Lovitz. I think Lovitz has greater potential, and demonstrated the ability to have more of a positive impact on the pitch at this stage of his career.

[Ultra & Proud]

I am however perplexed by the decision to protect Bekker instead of Lovitz. I think Lovitz has greater potential, and demonstrated the ability to have more of a positive impact on the pitch at this stage of his career.
The thing with Bekker is that he still gets Canada calls and looks okay for the NT. That always confused me. Occasionally he looked useful for us too. I think he has skill and I don't think he is as clueless or as lost in the headlights as he is with us. I really thing he is a lazy prick. Half asses training and matches due to whatever, entitlement? Being at home? etc.

Maybe someone can turn him around. Maybe.

[PopePouri]

Lovitz's skillset probably doesn't suit the modern game. If he was more creative or ruthless in front of goal, he's be a better asset to Vanney but he's just an old fashioned winger probably suited in a flat 4-4-2. That doesn't work well in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 where if he played in one of the 3, he requires creativity through the middle (E.g. Rosales, Rowe) or someone who has the ability to cut in from the wing or make smart runs (E.g. Manneh, Finlay).

[Oldtimer]

I think it's possible Bloom asked to be unprotected and some handshake deal is in effect with Orlando to let him go to live with his new family.


I think that's pretty obvious what is happening.
Vanney wouldn't want anyone here whose heart was somewhere else.

[Ultra & Proud]

Lovitz's skillset probably doesn't suit the modern game.
I wouldn't say this exactly but I also am not championing his skills either as I really didn't see enough to give a real opinion. Lots of guys come on and show something on poor teams in brief run outs. We had our share in the past as has (mostly) everyone else. I'm not going to be heartbroken if he is selected.

My worry for us, because we have a well defined history of idiocy mixed with bad luck, is that we already worked a deal to move Hagglund as rumored, then we'll lose Caldwell today, and Henry will not be loaned back in 2015. Then we can head into the new year with no CBs. I've been thinking about that since Monday.

But we could always do the reunion thing and pick up Attakora and Harden to bring back fond memories of the days of old.

[gdg_9]

I think that's pretty obvious what is happening.
Vanney wouldn't want anyone here whose heart was somewhere else.


His wife seems pretty excited about today's draft...




@EmmylouBloom 25m25 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/EmmylouBloom/status/542744483914211328)
I can tell my patients I'm busy during the draft right? @markbloom21 (https://twitter.com/markbloom21)




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/516598293418479616/qAjiECJ4_bigger.jpegMark Bloom‏@markbloom21 (https://twitter.com/markbloom21) 22m22 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/markbloom21/status/542745322619822080)

@EmmylouBloom (https://twitter.com/EmmylouBloom) they can wait
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[Initial B]

It will be very interesting if TFC loses two players in the draft. There are only 20 spots so to take two from one team would seem to indicate that they have pretty good players. That kind of goes against everything people believe about TFC.

[Ajax TFC]

Seeing who's available in this expansion draft almost makes me wish we were an expansion team. Would definitely pick up Rosales, Gordon, Grabavoy, Arnaud, Ashe, and Fagundez. Orlando could put together a pretty killer attack with Rosales, Fagundez, and Kaka behind Gordon. Though apparently NE made some kinda deal with both teams to not select Fagundez. Not sure why either team would agree to that though. If you want to keep the player, than protect him!

[pdubs]

I love that NYCFC is in a wood paneled board room.

[jloome]

It's on Live on Mlssoccer.com

Donovan Ricketts went first to Orlando from Portland, who can now protect someone else.

[jloome]

NYC takes Ned Grabavoy first, taking vets.

[jloome]

Orlando takes Tony Cascio second.

[jloome]

NY takes Patrick Mullins.

[jloome]

Orlando takes the locker-room cancer, Jalil Anibaba, from Seattle in Third. Maybe Heath thinks he can work out his issues.

[jloome]

NY takes Jason Hernandez third from San Jose.

[Canary10]

San Jose protected Ty Harden. Biggest move of the draft imo.

[jloome]

Orlando takes Pedro Ribeiro from Philly in fourth. Good pickup, dangerous young player.

LOL, Canary. Good one.

[Canary10]

Orlando takes Pedro Ribeiro from Philly in fourth. Good pickup, dangerous young player.

LOL, Canary. Good one.

Wasn't he in Fresh Prince of Bel Air?

[jloome]

NY TAKES LOVITZ in fourth, and we protect Bloom.

Do I get the feeling we just got screwed on some backroom deal?

[pdubs]

fuck i knew lovitz would go. ah

[Canary10]

Bloom protected. I'm good with that.

[shorty]

Bloom protected

(beat me to it)

[Marc"2L"]

Well, looks like we'll get something for Bloom now.

[jloome]

Orlando takes Lewis Neal in fifth. Good Brit player ,dependable.

[mowe]

Nooooo we lost Lovitz!!!

I'm actually upset. I thought he was the perfect bench player to have on your team.

[Oldtimer]

Bloom protected? Wow.

[TFC07]

Lovitz is overrated! No big loss there.

Bloom is staying with TFC unless they trade him and a draft pick to Orlando for their first overall pick?

[gdg_9]

Kind of sad to see Lovitz go.

But should be a good chance for him in NYCFC.

(Wasn't there some sort of clause that players chosen from supplemental roster had to be given regular roster spot... aka a raise?)

[jloome]

NY takes Tony Taylor in Fifth? That seems weird. He's a backup with the Revs. Ahhhh.... they cut a deal to protect Fagundez; they'd give them Mullins if they took Taylor as well?

[Canary10]

NY takes Tony Taylor in Fifth? That seems weird. He's a backup with the Revs. Ahhhh.... they cut a deal to protect Fagundez; they'd give them Mullins if they took Taylor as well?

Good alliteration though.

[RealG-TFC]

I am actually happy they took Lovitz. Now we get to keep Bloom and get a replacement on the wing (just wasn't sharp enough).

[TFC07]

Kind of sad to see Lovitz go.

But should be a good chance for him in NYCFC.

(Wasn't there some sort of clause that players chosen from supplemental roster had to be given regular roster spot... aka a raise?)

I believe so. So Lovitz should be happy about being picked up by NYCFC.

[jloome]

Kind of sad to see Lovitz go.

But should be a good chance for him in NYCFC.

(Wasn't there some sort of clause that players chosen from supplemental roster had to be given regular roster spot... aka a raise?)

Yeah, that means he gets a senior roster spot. He's a good winger, I'm not surprised. TFC underrated him, I suspect.

[jloome]

Good alliteration though.

More difficult to pull off with Orlando.

[jloome]

Orlando takes Jairo Arrieta in sixth, from Columbus. They were getting rid of him anyway. And they get to protect Spies who has a future.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Yeah, that means he gets a senior roster spot. He's a good winger, I'm not surprised. TFC underrated him, I suspect.

tend to agree, i liked him

[jloome]

NY takes perennial underperformer, the guy who landed RSL Kyle Beckerman, Mehdi Balouchi.

NY is fucking the dog.

[Shway]

Orlando city is going to be a reallly good team....and they have two remaining DP spots.

[Ruffian]

Emma Bloom @EmmylouBloom (https://twitter.com/EmmylouBloom) · 4m4 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/EmmylouBloom/status/542760023072329728)

That was intense! Never wanted to leave the TFC family! #bloomsarmy (https://twitter.com/hashtag/bloomsarmy?src=hash)! we will miss you Danny!

[jloome]

Orlando takes Heath Pierce in round seven. He's been very poor the last couple of years; that's an odd choice.

[gdg_9]

Yeah, that means he gets a senior roster spot. He's a good winger, I'm not surprised. TFC underrated him, I suspect.


Ya... I would have had him and Bloom protected in my list (esp. after finding out that Delgado counted as a HGP)

[Shway]

Orlando takes Jairo Arrieta in sixth, from Columbus. They were getting rid of him anyway. And they get to protect Spies who has a future.

Still own his rights...they would've had to give them something ....orrrr hope that he is available in the re-entry draft.

[jloome]

NY takes George John. Surprised that didn't happen earlier. Anibaba and Pierce over George John? What are these people thinking? Lots of ego in the room.

[OgtheDim]

Emma Bloom @EmmylouBloom (https://twitter.com/EmmylouBloom) · 4m4 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/EmmylouBloom/status/542760023072329728)

That was intense! Never wanted to leave the TFC family! #bloomsarmy (https://twitter.com/hashtag/bloomsarmy?src=hash)! we will miss you Danny!


So much for all of us thinking he wants to move.

[jloome]

Mwanga goes to Orlando. Again, that's Heath thinking he can get more out of him. Huge technique, ten-cent head.

[Canary10]

NY takes George John. Surprised that didn't happen earlier. Anibaba and Pierce over George John? What are these people thinking? Lots of ego in the room.

Plus he's got one of those two first name names.

[PopePouri]

Yeah, that means he gets a senior roster spot. He's a good winger, I'm not surprised. TFC underrated him, I suspect.

Not really. He had more minutes than the majority of rookies.

[jloome]

NY takes Tommy McNamara. Good pickup if he comes back from injury. He reminded me of Pontius when he came in, slid right into the league like it was nothing.

[Ruffian]

So much for all of us thinking he wants to move.

Or a quick bit of politicking!

[jloome]

He's injury prone.

Well, he had one long one. I wouldn't say prone; and keep in mind he almost moved to the Prem right before that.

Even injury prone he'd be a smarter pickup than Anibaba, whose teammates couldn't stand him, or Pierce, who looks like he's lost the fight completely.

Orlando takes Mark Sherrod from the Dynamo.

[jloome]

NY takes Sal Zizzo. A good pickup, numbers game in KC.

[gdg_9]

NY takes Tommy McNamara. Good pickup if he comes back from injury. He reminded me of Pontius when he came in, slid right into the league like it was nothing.

He was one of the young guys I hoped TFC could grab from the Chivas yard sale.
(Was happy when we got Delgado too!)

[jloome]

Orlando takes Eric Gehrig from Columbus.

[jloome]

NY takes Chris Wingert with its last pick, a good pickup.

Okay, they both did pretty well. A few head scratchers but mostly the best of the bunch.

[Canary10]

Gotta say, that was painful to listen to.

[gracos]

TFC only lost one player,and it was Daniel Lovitz, we currently still have a very good portion of our team

[mitchf]

How does Lovitz go before Mark Bloom? To me Bloom is one of the most valuable players on TFC, we're fortunate to keep him.

[Ruffian]

And now the waiver draft today at 4:30 with the lists being released at 4:00

[Shway]

NY drafted a few New Yorkers in jason hernandez, Chris wingert, Tommy Mcnamara

[Oldtimer]

How does Lovitz go before Mark Bloom? To me Bloom is one of the most valuable players on TFC, we're fortunate to keep him.

Lovitz even spent a good part of last year playing in the minors.

[Oldtimer]

As a reminder, TFC picks 6th in the waiver draft:

2014 Waiver Draft – Draft Selection Order

1. Montreal Impact
2. San Jose Earthquakes
3. Colorado Rapids
4. Chicago Fire
5. Houston Dynamo
6. Toronto FC
7. Philadelphia Union
8. Portland Timbers
9. Sporting Kansas City
10. Vancouver Whitecaps
11. Columbus Crew SC
12. FC Dallas
13. Real Salt Lake
14. D.C. United
15. New York Red Bulls
16. Seattle Sounders
17. New England Revolution
18. LA Galaxy
19. New York City FC
20. Orlando City

[notthesun]

In my mind we could have exposed Bekker and protected Lovitz without losing either. However, that means Bloom would have went at some point.

Would have loved to keep Lovitz but all things considered this went pretty well.

[gdg_9]

As a reminder, TFC picks 6th in the waiver draft:

2014 Waiver Draft – Draft Selection Order

1. Montreal Impact
2. San Jose Earthquakes
3. Colorado Rapids
4. Chicago Fire
5. Houston Dynamo
6. Toronto FC
7. Philadelphia Union
8. Portland Timbers
9. Sporting Kansas City
10. Vancouver Whitecaps
11. Columbus Crew SC
12. FC Dallas
13. Real Salt Lake
14. D.C. United
15. New York Red Bulls
16. Seattle Sounders
17. New England Revolution
18. LA Galaxy
19. New York City FC
20. Orlando City


What players will be available in the waiver draft?
What's the difference between waiver draft and re-entry draft?

[Areathrasher]

Total MLS ‏@TotalMLS (https://twitter.com/TotalMLS) 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/TotalMLS/status/542764689411682304)
Orlando trades Jalil Anibaba to Sporting KC

Part of the Collin deal

[gdg_9]

Anibaba already headed from Orlando to KC as part of the Collin deal.

[mitchf]

In my mind we could have exposed Bekker and protected Lovitz without losing either. However, that means Bloom would have went at some point.

Would have loved to keep Lovitz but all things considered this went pretty well.
Bekker is truly a bad soccer player. He shouldn't be anywhere near next year's roster.

Lovitz is good, but not good enough.

Bloom is a fixture on this team, or at least he should be based on his play last year.

All around, a weird series of events by TFC.

[Oldtimer]

What players will be available in the waiver draft?
What's the difference between waiver draft and re-entry draft?

Waiver draft - young players who were cut
Re-entry draft - veteran players with more rights

[notthesun]

Be careful judging Lovitz.

Bekker has shown barely anything in two years. Fair to say he isn't very good.

Lovitz has shown many flashes in his rookie year, even earning a few starts. Not good enough to be a starter yet and may never be, but already a promising player who could become a reliable bench player in a couple years.

Again I stress this club and its fans have often been too quick to pass judgment on players.

[ensco]

Sorry to see Lovitz go. Don't really "care" about Lovitz or Bloom, other than good teams have lots of both types of guys as depth.

[Areathrasher]

Lovitz was one of the only natural left footers in the squad. That's a loss.

[mitchf]

Be careful judging Lovitz.

Bekker has shown barely anything in two years. Fair to say he isn't very good.

Lovitz has shown many flashes in his rookie year, even earning a few starts. Not good enough to be a starter yet and may never be, but already a promising player who could become a reliable bench player in a couple years.

Again I stress this club and its fans have often been too quick to pass judgment on players.
Yet, here they are protecting Bekker years after it's been concluded he's not a pro soccer player?

Lovitz isn't good enough to ever be part of the solution here, that's really all that matters.

[Ruffian]

Yet, here they are protecting Bekker years after it's been concluded he's not a pro soccer player?

Lovitz isn't good enough to ever be part of the solution here, that's really all that matters.

Concluded by who? Forum readers? Bekker is valued by both his club and his national team.

Edit: we might be saying the same thing

[mitchf]

Concluded by who? Forum readers? Bekker is valued by both his club and his national team.
Ok right

[jloome]

Lovitz was one of the only natural left footers in the squad. That's a loss.

Agreed.
In retrospect, not that strong a draft for Orlando. Very good for NY.

[ag futbol]

Meh. I don't know how people judge wingers around here but I'd suggest end-product and runs off the ball are a good place to start. To be balanced by willingness to track back.

Didn't see anyone do that on this roster, Lovitz included. Not the worst, but not a big loss.

[mitchf]

Lovitz was one of the only natural left footers in the squad. That's a loss.
European soccer says that's not a big deal and we should move on.

[mitchf]

Meh. I don't know how people judge wingers around here but I'd suggest end-product and runs off the ball are a good place to start. To be balanced by willingness to track back.

Didn't see anyone do that on this roster, Lovitz included. Not the worst, but not a big loss.
Lovitz was pretty good at winning take-ons and getting himself in position for that final ball, but it ends there.

[Areathrasher]

European soccer says that's not a big deal and we should move on.

Well i'm a left footed European that thinks it's important to have that balance in the squad :lol: :lol:

[ag futbol]

If there was ever an example of over analyzing things in the offseason this would be it... Second to the equipment manager.

If this were an office we'd be asking how the place would function after losing the admin assistant and nighttime janitor.

[T-boy]

Lovitz was pretty good at winning take-ons and getting himself in position for that final ball, but it ends there.

Right, but you also have to say that "it ends there...in his first senior year".

Lovitz is still a young player with a lot of upside in the MLS. He's cheap too. Write these young players off after their first year as a pro at your peril! Given a year or so more experience, "winning take-ons and getting himself into a good position" may end up being "and he then puts in a great cross".

[PopePouri]

European soccer says that's not a big deal and we should move on.

Yep.

Also, LA, DC and Columbus don't have left-footed midfielders.

[ag futbol]

Right, but you also have to say that "it ends there...in his first senior year".

Lovitz is still a young player with a lot of upside in the MLS. He's cheap too. Write these young players off after their first year as a pro at your peril! Given a year or so more experience, "winning take-ons and getting himself into a good position" may end up being "and he then puts in a great cross".
And Chad Barrett just needed to learn to finish to be a consistent 10+ goal scorer (said every club that traded for him in the last 10 years).

This team isn't deep. If management left him unprotected I'm not all that concerned.

[C.Ronaldo]

If there was ever an example of over analyzing things in the offseason this would be it... Second to the equipment manager.

If this were an office we'd be asking how the place would function after losing the admin assistant and nighttime janitor.

THE NIGHT JANITOR? Tio Joao got canned? Oh no, My Avó is gonna be devasted.

[Ajax TFC]

Meh. I don't know how people judge wingers around here but I'd suggest end-product and runs off the ball are a good place to start. To be balanced by willingness to track back.

Didn't see anyone do that on this roster, Lovitz included. Not the worst, but not a big loss.
Totally agree. The wing is one area that definitely needs upgrading in the off-season, with or without Lovitz. We didn't lose a key player. We lost a depth player, which is what's supposed to happen during an expansion draft. I think NYCFC fans should be more annoyed at the fact that some clutch players weren't selected, while a depth player like Lovitz was. Players like him can be acquired in the superdraft.

I find it interesting that neither team took the DCU route of building a winning squad. There were lots of older players who are proven winners available, and as expansion teams, they presumably have quite a bit of allocation money to be able to afford the salaries.

[T-boy]

And Chad Barrett just needed to learn to finish to be a consistent 10+ goal scorer (said every club that traded for him in the last 10 years).

This team isn't deep. If management left him unprotected I'm not all that concerned.

The massive difference being that Barrett wasn't a rookie player when we signed him! Barrett had four seasons in the MLS as a pro prior to coming to TFC. His development was complete at that time. Lovitz was a 1st year pro last year, started as a loaner, then graduated to being recalled to TFC, subbing, and then starting a few games. That's quite a large development in his first year!

As I said, we should write off first year rookie mistakes at our peril - lots of first year pro players have had "up and down" first seasons, and then improved to become good MLS starters.

[Ajax TFC]

Of course there's always the risk that a player won't develop that extra dimension to their game, but there's also players that do. Chad Barrett may not have learned to finish, but on the other hand you have other players like Wondo and Gordon who did develop an ability to finish later on in their careers and became clutch players (Gordon to a lesser extent).

[jloome]

Of course there's always the risk that a player won't develop that extra dimension to their game, but there's also players that do. Chad Barrett may not have learned to finish, but on the other hand you have other players like Wondo and Gordon who did develop an ability to finish later on in their careers and became clutch players (Gordon to a lesser extent).

Gordon has always been an excellent finisher; he's just injury prone and, for several seasons, was used as a post-up target forward, and didn't get many chances. When he was in the old A-league before it became usl pro, he scored nineteen once in a season (I'm going by memory here, so it might have been eighteen, but it was prodigious.) And he's always been a "scorer of big goals" but not a big goal scorer. I think if he'd been more durable (lots of niggling little injuries) he'd have had a bigger career.

[OgtheDim]

Or a quick bit of politicking!

Stop.

Just Stop.


Let us NOT go down the path of Leafs fans who troll the tweets of wives like they are talking to politicians.

[Ajax TFC]

Gordon has always been an excellent finisher; he's just injury prone and, for several seasons, was used as a post-up target forward, and didn't get many chances. When he was in the old A-league before it became usl pro, he scored nineteen once in a season (I'm going by memory here, so it might have been eighteen, but it was prodigious.) And he's always been a "scorer of big goals" but not a big goal scorer. I think if he'd been more durable (lots of niggling little injuries) he'd have had a bigger career.
I seem to recall his finishing being a bit of a joke during his first stint in LA. He had a pretty huge year the season after he left TFC too.

[jabbronies]

THE NIGHT JANITOR? Tio Joao got canned? Oh no, My Avó is gonna be devasted.

Haha

[DeRo Fan #1]

Gale Agbossoumonde is up for grabs in the Waiver Draft.
I'd like to see him back for free after trading him for Moore.

[gdg_9]

Reo Coker goes to the Limpact with the 1st pick in the Waiver draft.


...


Bobby Burling goes to COL with #3 pick in Waiver draft

[Narster]

Toronto FC has just acquired Daniel Lovitz from NYCFC for allocation money. We just pulled pulled a TFC. Wow just wow !

[Still Kicking]

Typical TFC, throwing around allocation money on players only hours into their second season. This Lovitz guy they picked up from NYCFC, did they scout him? What! What? What......

[notthesun]

Ha, sneaky from Bez. Doubt it was much allocation at all, and we should know better than most that a known entity is always worth more than funny money.

Glad we were able to keep him. Disagree entirely with the thought that he won't ever be part of the solution here. That's short-sighted thinking.

[Ajax TFC]

Ooo that's a real twist. I wonder how much more Allocation we paid than what we got for losing a player

[Yohan]

masterful bit of drafting by Kreis today. assuming Lamps does come back in time, this is what the lineup looks right now for NYC. and they aren't even close to being done

--------------Saunders
Williams-John-Hernandez-Wingert
--------------Jacobson
------McNamara---Grabavoy
--------------Lampard
-------Mullins-------Villa

some holes in that lineup, but pretty solid IMO

[T-boy]

We've been saying for season after season that we HAVE to keep the core of the squad together so we can move forward. I think today showed that is what we want to do, and I think its the best way to get an actual cohesive team together.

[ag futbol]

The massive difference being that Barrett wasn't a rookie player when we signed him! Barrett had four seasons in the MLS as a pro prior to coming to TFC. His development was complete at that time. Lovitz was a 1st year pro last year, started as a loaner, then graduated to being recalled to TFC, subbing, and then starting a few games. That's quite a large development in his first year!

As I said, we should write off first year rookie mistakes at our peril - lots of first year pro players have had "up and down" first seasons, and then improved to become good MLS starters.
Point really was what you think can be corrected may not be so. Saying he might get that last ball in and him doing it are two different things. Lots or prospects show something in their first year, subsequently backslide or don't improve on it in years to come.

Like I said, whatever the staff decides I'll take their word for it over our opinions at this point. Sounds like they like him enough to keep around, but if they cut him lose I wouldn't have lost any sleep over it. I am not 100% on board with Bez / Vanney, but they look reasonable enough to know if a rookie deserves to be cut.

[Yohan]

Point really was what you think can be corrected may not be so. Saying he might get that last ball in and him doing it are two different things. Lots or prospects show something in their first year, subsequently backslide or don't improve on it in years to come.

Like I said, whatever the staff decides I'll take their word for it over our opinions at this point. Sounds like they like him enough to keep around, but if they cut him lose I wouldn't have lost any sleep over it. I am not 100% on board with Bez / Vanney, but they look reasonable enough to know if a rookie deserves to be cut.
esp considering Lovitz cost NOTHING to keep around, except off cap roster spot

[Oldtimer]

Toronto FC has just acquired Daniel Lovitz from NYCFC for allocation money. We just pulled pulled a TFC. Wow just wow !


esp considering Lovitz cost NOTHING to keep around, except off cap roster spot

REALLY smart move by Bez. Kudos for that one.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Toronto FC has just acquired Daniel Lovitz from NYCFC for allocation money. We just pulled pulled a TFC. Wow just wow !


Typical TFC, throwing around allocation money on players only hours into their second season. This Lovitz guy they picked up from NYCFC, did they scout him? What! What? What......

Allocation, you say?

Have we spotted the first comparison of Laba to Lovitz yet?g:D

[Detroit_TFC]

Should be a boost to the guy's confidence for sure, knowing that Reyna/Kreis wanted him and Bez/Vanney wanted him more.

[Ultra & Proud]

Should be a boost to the guy's confidence for sure, knowing that Reyna/Kreis wanted him and Bez/Vanney wanted him more.
Not so sure they did want him. Looks like it was just a backhanded way for us to protect an extra player while NYCFC can pick up some needed 'free' allocation. Cost nothing to anyone and just circumvented the point of this draft. Bez's previous work in the head office probably paved the way for this one.

[Canary10]

The whole thing makes me wonder why we have an expansion draft in the first place. Soccer is a global game. There are tons of players out there. Let the new teams stock their teams on their own. And yesterday just made a mockery of it anyway.

[Auzzy]

Not so sure they did want him. Looks like it was just a backhanded way for us to protect an extra player while NYCFC can pick up some needed 'free' allocation. Cost nothing to anyone and just circumvented the point of this draft. Bez's previous work in the head office probably paved the way for this one.

Agreed. Bez/Vanney obviously want Lovitz, but Reyna/Kreis likely had little interest. As I mentioned in the "other" thread, John Molinaro tweeted that the Lovitz deal with NYFC was arranged in advance.

[Canary10]

ELAINE: Oh, no, no! That's where it gets interesting! Don't you see? You - you are at risk of losing this diamond in the rough you got in the second round of the entry draft (not to be confused with the re-entry draft or the waiver draft)! The second round! No one gets good draft picks there! That band of underground tunnel dwellers know as the Red Patch Boys are openly questioning why you didn't protect him! And you protected Bekker instead?!! Are you nuts?!!


PETERMAN: It just seems so cliched, and obvious. It's not interesting writing.


Elaine: Yeah.. yeah. I know. Um.. how about if, instead of.. losing Lovitz to New York City FC.. uh, you, I don't know, you make a deal to trade him back for allocation?


PETERMAN: (Intrigued) The very allocation I got when I lost him to New York in the expansion draft. That's perfect irony! Elaine, that is interesting writing!

[Ajax TFC]

The whole thing makes me wonder why we have an expansion draft in the first place. Soccer is a global game. There are tons of players out there. Let the new teams stock their teams on their own. And yesterday just made a mockery of it anyway.
And how are they supposed to get their domestic players? If you force them to stock their teams themselves, they'll have to start off with a roster of 8 internationals, a couple superdraft picks, whoever they manage to trade for with allocation money, and a whole bunch of USL or NASL level players.

[Detroit_TFC]

Agreed. Bez/Vanney obviously want Lovitz, but Reyna/Kreis likely had little interest. As I mentioned in the "other" thread, John Molinaro tweeted that the Lovitz deal with NYFC was arranged in advance.

Ok, makes sense.

[Smokecell]

ELAINE: Oh, no, no! That's where it gets interesting! Don't you see? You - you are at risk of losing this diamond in the rough you got in the second round of the entry draft (not to be confused with the re-entry draft or the waiver draft)! The second round! No one gets good draft picks there! That band of underground tunnel dwellers know as the Red Patch Boys are openly questioning why you didn't protect him! And you protected Bekker instead?!! Are you nuts?!!


PETERMAN: It just seems so cliched, and obvious. It's not interesting writing.


Elaine: Yeah.. yeah. I know. Um.. how about if, instead of.. losing Lovitz to New York City FC.. uh, you, I don't know, you make a deal to trade him back for allocation?


PETERMAN: (Intrigued) The very allocation I got when I lost him to New York in the expansion draft. That's perfect irony! Elaine, that is interesting writing!

Hats off to you sir, I naturally read that with their voices. Love Seinfeld!

I picture Kreis as Newman rubbing it in RSL Jerry's face that he took 2 of their guys.

[Canary10]

And how are they supposed to get their domestic players? If you force them to stock their teams themselves, they'll have to start off with a roster of 8 internationals, a couple superdraft picks, whoever they manage to trade for with allocation money, and a whole bunch of USL or NASL level players.

Lots of players available on waiver, etc. Orlando had like 12 players already signed before the waiver draft.

[Canary10]

Hats off to you sir, I naturally read that with their voices. Love Seinfeld!

I picture Kreis as Newman rubbing it in RSL Jerry's face that he took 2 of their guys.

Thanks. The whole thing is a mockery. Wanted to reflect that somehow...

[notthesun]

Full list of players eligible for the re-entry draft tomorrow at 3pm: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12/11/mls-releases-list-eligible-players-phase-one-re-entry-draft

Some notables: De Rosario, Hall, Richter, Wiedeman, Mauro Rosales, Brian Carroll, Marvell Wynne, Marvin Chavez, Patrick Ianni, Bakary Soumare, Kalif Alhassan, Troy Perkins, Matteo Ferrari

[Pint]

Not sure why but the score app has bakary soumare on tfc's roster

[flamehawk]

Interestingly, Duncan Fletcher says that Dike has opted out of re-entry draft, which could mean he is re-signing for less or going overseas?

[ag futbol]

^ Or he's done? Injuries derail a promising career.

[gdg_9]

Not sure why but the score app has bakary soumare on tfc's roster

Hopefully they don't take him in the 1st round of the re-entry draft.
$370k is too much.

[Cas87]

Anyone interesting we think bez will pick up? Or will he wait for phase 2 so that he can re-negotiate contracts.

Nana Attakora, Marvell Wyne returning?

maybe pick up a mid?

[flamehawk]

Anyone interesting we think bez will pick up? Or will he wait for phase 2 so that he can re-negotiate contracts.

Nana Attakora, Marvell Wyne returning?

maybe pick up a mid?

Two TFC players I really liked when they were on the team. Not sure how much Wynne would cost, but surely Attakora is off-budget?

[Detroit_TFC]

Wynne returning would be a hoot and make several jerseys of mine not seem so ridiculous. Him and Oduro could have wind sprint competitions.

[sashavukelich]

I'd take Attakora back and pop him on TFC2 and get the boy some game time.

[Fishnicker]

Wynne returning would be a hoot and make several jerseys of mine not seem so ridiculous. Him and Oduro could have wind sprint competitions.

Call me crazy but I think Jackson edges Wynne, with Oduro a distant third. In a 400m, my money is on Jackson.

[Detroit_TFC]

Call me crazy but I think Jackson edges Wynne, with Oduro a distant third. In a 400m, my money is on Jackson.

Controversy!

[Fort York Redcoat]

I'd take Attakora back and pop him on TFC2 and get the boy some game time.

While people should be excited we've seen a gap narrowed with the addition of TFCUSLPro I still don't see it as the zenith or full potential that would be an NASL farm team. The gap between NASL and USL is varied from team to team but consistent in which level is higher.

I just don't want to hear stories of players getting false hopes from USL success still not being able to convert that into MLS time. We shall see.

[Ruffian]

Call me crazy but I think Jackson edges Wynne, with Oduro a distant third. In a 400m, my money is on Jackson.

You are crazy!! Oduru is Craaaazzzy fast!

[PopePouri]

You are crazy!! Oduru is Craaaazzzy fast!

Some would say freaky fast.

[Fishnicker]

You are crazy!! Oduru is Craaaazzzy fast!
Ok - that's it then, I'm organizing a 150m hybrid race at the Skydome featuring Wynne, Oduro, Jackson and Bekker with special guest stars Donovan Bailey and Michael Johnson.

Oduro starts off the fastest but pukes up a couple pounds of Papa John's at the 30m mark
Wynne trails just behind but forgets about the curve and runs straight out of the 'dome ala Forest Gump
Bailey doesn't make the start after getting pulled over for a DUI (too soon?)
Johnson, realizing he is in way over his head fakes pulling a hammy at the 70m mark
Jackson recklessly attacks a race official for a perceived slight, putting him out of the race
...leaving Bekker as the last man standing, and winner of the title "Fastest Man in the World"

[RealG-TFC]

Bekker would give up half way and let the opponent get possession (of the finish line).

[notthesun]

Mullan and Rosales have opted out of the draft, likely re-signed with their respective teams.

[portu]

when is the second round of the draft?

[Detroit_TFC]

Ok - that's it then, I'm organizing a 150m hybrid race at the Skydome featuring Wynne, Oduro, Jackson and Bekker with special guest stars Donovan Bailey and Michael Johnson.

Oduro starts off the fastest but pukes up a couple pounds of Papa John's at the 30m mark
Wynne trails just behind but forgets about the curve and runs straight out of the 'dome ala Forest Gump
Bailey doesn't make the start after getting pulled over for a DUI (too soon?)
Johnson, realizing he is in way over his head fakes pulling a hammy at the 70m mark
Jackson recklessly attacks a race official for a perceived slight, putting him out of the race
...leaving Bekker as the last man standing, and winner of the title "Fastest Man in the World"

waving my money in the air "where my damn tickets"

[MightyDM]

Call me crazy but I think Jackson edges Wynne, with Oduro a distant third. In a 400m, my money is on Jackson.

You are crazy. Oduro is the fastest in the league.

[MightyDM]

Ok - that's it then, I'm organizing a 150m hybrid race at the Skydome featuring Wynne, Oduro, Jackson and Bekker with special guest stars Donovan Bailey and Michael Johnson.

Oduro starts off the fastest but pukes up a couple pounds of Papa John's at the 30m mark
Wynne trails just behind but forgets about the curve and runs straight out of the 'dome ala Forest Gump
Bailey doesn't make the start after getting pulled over for a DUI (too soon?)
Johnson, realizing he is in way over his head fakes pulling a hammy at the 70m mark
Jackson recklessly attacks a race official for a perceived slight, putting him out of the race
...leaving Bekker as the last man standing, and winner of the title "Fastest Man in the World"

Ah, now I see where you are going! Not so crazy, just nuts!

[Canary10]

Ok - that's it then, I'm organizing a 150m hybrid race at the Skydome featuring Wynne, Oduro, Jackson and Bekker with special guest stars Donovan Bailey and Michael Johnson.

Oduro starts off the fastest but pukes up a couple pounds of Papa John's at the 30m mark
Wynne trails just behind but forgets about the curve and runs straight out of the 'dome ala Forest Gump
Bailey doesn't make the start after getting pulled over for a DUI (too soon?)
Johnson, realizing he is in way over his head fakes pulling a hammy at the 70m mark
Jackson recklessly attacks a race official for a perceived slight, putting him out of the race
...leaving Bekker as the last man standing, and winner of the title "Fastest Man in the World"

He then goes and gets a respectable hair cut.

Since we're dreaming here anyway.....

[FRANKIE65]

.......

[FRANKIE65]

He then goes and gets a respectable hair cut.

.....

While singing Flock Of Seagulls...I RAN so FAR away

[Canary10]

Robbie Findley? Not a bad pick up. (Not sure what money he's on. I did almost pick him in fantasy a couple of times, so he's decent....)

[portu]

Robbie Findley? Not a bad pick up. (Not sure what money he's on. I did almost pick him in fantasy a couple of times, so he's decent....)
north of 200k... terrible pick makes zero sense when we already have gilberto, moore and hamilton

mlspu say 215 base

moore makes something like 120k this makes zero sense in my mind

[AdamAM]

Hes on 215/240k.... stood out as one of the best names but that salary.... ouch. Oduro and Findley take up around 500k combined which is kind of ridiculous.

[Canary10]

north of 200k... terrible pick makes zero sense when we already have gilberto, moore and hamilton

mlspu say 215 base

moore makes something like 120k this makes zero sense in my mind

Yeah that's ridiculous.

[Ageroo]

Cap must be moving up to take on that salary

[notthesun]

Waiting to see what plays out here in regards to the cap and moves involving our other strikers, including Findley himself.

[portu]

i mean kosuke kimura was available for 110/110 which would be great right back cover for bloom but no we have to move for the overpaid striker