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Great interview with Vanney on Extratime Radio. More tactical insight in 15 minutes than the last 18 months with Nelson.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/extratime Starts at 25:00.
Thanks for that. It just made my morning hearing some intelligent talk about team, players and formation.
Alonso
09-26-2014, 06:45 PM
So I was watching the latest Defoe media conference and had a tin foil hat epiphany.
Nelsen being fired and Leiweke being pushed out rumours abound in TFC land. Jermaine catches wind of this and wants out, claims an injury which is actually partially true.
TFC try to trade him but no one comes close to the salary offer that TFC is giving him.
Lieweke calls him out and says get out if you don't want to be here.
Defoe's agent put's Defoe's head back on straight because an agent always wants what makes the most money.
Amazingly Defoe turns around and really always wanted to be here to achieve new things.
Defoe is back here to stay! Because no one else in the EPL will pay him what we are.
And to be honest I don't give a fuck why he wants to be here as long as he puts soccer balls into the back of the opponents net.
If anything, Defoe is professional and has proven it year over year, he plays hard every game no matter what.
Doucet3
10-04-2014, 12:06 AM
Now that I've rewatched the conference when he came back and had some time to think I'm curious do you think he's here to stay?... only asking cause i know by talking to some supporters that they are still sour about Defoe, do you think he's here after the next 1...2? transfer windows.
Personally I think I still can't form an opinion ... I'm waiting till Feb 2 when the window closes. Ive watched his interviews and seems like he's committed and planning on staying for his contract.
So I was watching the latest Defoe media conference and had a tin foil hat epiphany.
Nelsen being fired and Leiweke being pushed out rumours abound in TFC land. Jermaine catches wind of this and wants out, claims an injury which is actually partially true.
TFC try to trade him but no one comes close to the salary offer that TFC is giving him.
Lieweke calls him out and says get out if you don't want to be here.
Defoe's agent put's Defoe's head back on straight because an agent always wants what makes the most money.
Amazingly Defoe turns around and really always wanted to be here to achieve new things.
Defoe is back here to stay! Because no one else in the EPL will pay him what we are.
And to be honest I don't give a fuck why he wants to be here as long as he puts soccer balls into the back of the opponents net.
If anything, Defoe is professional and has proven it year over year, he plays hard every game no matter what.
Could be true, interesting take but either way I want him here and if he dosnt want to be then leave asap so we can move on quicker.
Pookie
10-04-2014, 08:04 AM
The tin foil hat doesn't explain away him leaving before Nelsen was fired nor the rumours post World Cup before Leiweke's fate was known.
He simply wants to go.
In the end, he is ours till January so play your ass off and then leave. It is better for TFC long term for him to go anyways.
Anyone hoping otherwise needs to revisit that next year when he misses another half season or more due to injury and can't be replaced on the roster.
This is a team that needs 3 healthy DPs to be competitive.
jloome
10-04-2014, 11:57 AM
The tin foil hat doesn't explain away him leaving before Nelsen was fired nor the rumours post World Cup before Leiweke's fate was known.
He simply wants to go.
In the end, he is ours till January so play your ass off and then leave. It is better for TFC long term for him to go anyways.
Anyone hoping otherwise needs to revisit that next year when he misses another half season or more due to injury and can't be replaced on the roster.
This is a team that needs 3 healthy DPs to be competitive.
I think him announcing he wanted out probably precipitated both men's departures.
Alonso
10-07-2014, 08:12 AM
Now that I've rewatched the conference when he came back and had some time to think I'm curious do you think he's here to stay?... only asking cause i know by talking to some supporters that they are still sour about Defoe, do you think he's here after the next 1...2? transfer windows.
Personally I think I still can't form an opinion ... I'm waiting till Feb 2 when the window closes. Ive watched his interviews and seems like he's committed and planning on staying for his contract.
Could be true, interesting take but either way I want him here and if he dosnt want to be then leave asap so we can move on quicker.
I honestly keep flipping back and forth on this.
I remember Defoe saying something in a recent interview that he wouldn't want to leave so prematurely without having made his mark on the team or league.
The way it all went down though says otherwise, I'd like to see him stay after a full off season to recover and get fully healthy.
If he wants to be loaned out this off season I say you move hell and high water to trade him back to the EPL because to me that just isn't what's best for TFC.
I hope he comes around and decides he wants to put this team on his shoulders for the next three years but looking back on his career their has been "moments".
History could be repeating itself here.
Maybe what was sold to him before he came over wasn't what he experienced when he got here?
Canary10
10-07-2014, 08:22 AM
All I know is four months in the EPL is a long time. The situation that led to him almost being bought by QPR or whoever is unlikely to be there in January.
Well I had personally written him off, just the lack of talk beyond January by Tim B alone is reason enough to think it. After watching QPR and West Ham this weekend I really have my doubts over the coach keeping his job, and that would really put a move there in doubt.
Interesting times ahead for sure.
burlington Red
10-07-2014, 10:35 AM
The knives are out already for Harry, back page on todays Daily Mirror saying QPR have put his new deal on the backburner. Probably just tabloid speak, but QPR need to get to Jan and be within touching distance of those around them if they have any hope of picking a few players to drive them on to safety. As it currently stands, with the poor squad they have, they could be sunk by xmas.
I said in previous posts, Defoe may still go in Jan but I don't it's nailed on to be QPR.
PopePouri
10-07-2014, 10:38 AM
They will pay match the offer in June or pay more because of the January transfer window.
Areathrasher
10-07-2014, 10:42 AM
The knives are out already for Harry, back page on todays Daily Mirror saying QPR have put his new deal on the backburner. Probably just tabloid speak, but QPR need to get to Jan and be within touching distance of those around them if they have any hope of picking a few players to drive them on to safety. As it currently stands, with the poor squad they have, they could be sunk by xmas.
I said in previous posts, Defoe may still go in Jan but I don't it's nailed on to be QPR.
They don't actually have a poor squad. Ol Arry is just showing a complete inability to get anything out of them.
He will be gone soon
Detroit_TFC
10-07-2014, 11:21 AM
Interesting. I agree Harry is running out of time. Sounded like Fernandes was on board with getting JD in August, but if Harry's not there to prod him to stick with it, plus the cost of getting a new mgr (Pulis, I'd say), QPR might have second thoughts. The prospect of getting another 9 months (Nov to Jul) from JD is intriguing.
burlington Red
10-07-2014, 12:20 PM
They don't actually have a poor squad. Ol Arry is just showing a complete inability to get anything out of them.
He will be gone soon
no seriously they have a terrible squad, it is a championship squad and they were lucky to get out of that. Sandro and Caulker are pl standard, Rio although past his best could still do a decent job. The rest aren't good enough at PL level.
I agree with your views on Harry.
Areathrasher
10-07-2014, 12:35 PM
Compare QPRs squad to the Crystal Palace one that stayed up last year. There is more than enough talent in it for them to stay up.
Championship squad is massive hyperbole.
burlington Red
10-07-2014, 01:43 PM
Compare QPRs squad to the Crystal Palace one that stayed up last year. There is more than enough talent in it for them to stay up.
Championship squad is massive hyperbole.
Palace did exactly what Harry will do if he is there in Jan, ie bring players in. Palace brought 5 players in during Jan transfer window. Pulis identified his team wasn't strong enough and acted. I'd imagine if old 'Arry is still there in Jan, he'll bring a similiar amount in himself.
Remember QPR weren't even a great championship team. They were 12th highest scorers in that league. The step up in defence quality is huge between Championship and PL. QPR struggling to both score and defend so far this season, worst in league in goals conceded and 2nd lowest in goals scored so far. Only 7 games played but they don't won't to be cut adrift too soon.Their next 4 league games are
Liverpool, Villa, Chelsea and Man City- so points will be hard to come by.
I see they have just hired QPR legend Les Ferdinand as head of football operations- interesting..........
burlington Red
10-07-2014, 01:51 PM
Interesting article from The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/oct/07/harry-redknapp-tony-fernandes-qpr
Maybe Harry has had enough.
All I know is four months in the EPL is a long time. The situation that led to him almost being bought by QPR or whoever is unlikely to be there in January.
Four months in the EPL is a long time ... that's why - and all questions of QPR and Harry aside - I think it is very likely there will be interest in Defoe from several teams in January. They know better than we do the questions around his desire to be here beyond this season.
Klinsmann
10-07-2014, 10:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBumlkz0Cp0
Oblio2
10-08-2014, 07:56 AM
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/#blog/transfer-talk/79/post/2076975/premier-league-queens-park-rangers-target-adebayordefoe-in-early-relegation-battle
A Stick
10-08-2014, 08:15 AM
http://www.espnfc.us/story/2077650/toronto-chief-tim-leiweke-we-will-talk-about-jermain-defoe-future-in-december
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBumlkz0Cp0
...why??!!!?
zeelaw
10-09-2014, 07:43 AM
The Defoe Saviour banner was such a poor idea last night. I wasn't really a fan of the Defoe Judas banner but come on guys...
BuSaPuNk
10-09-2014, 08:19 AM
The Defoe Saviour banner was such a poor idea last night. I wasn't really a fan of the Defoe Judas banner but come on guys...
I think it was a shot at the Judas banner and wasn't taken to be serious at all.
tictoc
10-12-2014, 07:14 AM
If you need me I’ll be on the couch. New(ish) comic now up at East Side Stand Up! (http://www.eastsidestandup.com/if-you-need-me-ill-be-on-the-couch/)
Fort York Redcoat
10-12-2014, 11:09 AM
The Defoe Saviour banner was such a poor idea last night. I wasn't really a fan of the Defoe Judas banner but come on guys...
I don't know Z, I have a hard time putting any pressure on fans for that kind of support. All the pressure goes right where it belongs on the guy with the bank. Even if it was done tongue in cheek its subtle enough IMO
JuliquE
10-12-2014, 03:44 PM
If you need me I’ll be on the couch. New(ish) comic now up at East Side Stand Up! (http://www.eastsidestandup.com/if-you-need-me-ill-be-on-the-couch/)
Nearly fell out of my seat, here! xD
zeelaw
10-12-2014, 07:39 PM
IMO, it sounds like Defoe tried to do all he could to get out of Toronto.
I wouldn't call him Judas but calling him a saviour is disrespectful to everyone else on TFC's roster. He's been a distraction most of the summer and far far away from the club in England. The sign re-enforced his belief that we are that bad/mess of a team and that we treat players that kindly after they pull shit like that.
I dunno, that's just how I see it.
tictoc
10-13-2014, 08:21 AM
Oops... actually posted in it the wrong thread. Sorry all!
Nearly fell out of my seat, here! xD
shwade
10-13-2014, 10:15 AM
IMO, it sounds like Defoe tried to do all he could to get out of Toronto.
I wouldn't call him Judas but calling him a saviour is disrespectful to everyone else on TFC's roster. He's been a distraction most of the summer and far far away from the club in England. The sign re-enforced his belief that we are that bad/mess of a team and that we treat players that kindly after they pull shit like that.
I dunno, that's just how I see it.
Battered wife syndrome.
ensco
10-23-2014, 05:14 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/jermain-defoe-vents-frustration-over-injuries-and-questions-about-his-commitment/article21271731/#dashboard/follows/
This is an inept performance by Defoe. The idea that it matters that he "never came out and publicly said - or said directly to Vanney - that he didn't want to be here", is ludicrous.
I don't know why he bothered. Embarassing.
Not that it matters anymore.
jloome
10-23-2014, 08:39 PM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/jermain-defoe-vents-frustration-over-injuries-and-questions-about-his-commitment/article21271731/#dashboard/follows/
This is an inept performance by Defoe. The idea that it matters that he "never came out and publicly said - or said directly to Vanney - that he didn't want to be here", is ludicrous.
I don't know why he bothered. Embarassing.
Not that it matters anymore.
It does if the injury is genuine, as no one will buy him.
dutch
10-24-2014, 02:46 AM
It totally has been a fake injury imo. at the transfer window, he was in england, for his "groin treatment" during that time harry redknapp goes off like brian burke on what he thinks he can do. TFC rejects 'THE' offer and defoe tweets back "its okay guys, I love TFC, cant wait for the next match" how many matches has he had since nelson left? sorry I must have forgot when the treatment started.. it seems to fail me. only guy I've ever heard needs to go to a specialist in another continent for 45 days for treatment on his anything. by the way we're not africa. we're LA, NY, TO, Van, Mtl, Hous, Miam, etc its a fraud guys
redknapp would have shut his mouth if defoe said he didnt want to go to QPR.
Lumpy
10-24-2014, 04:03 AM
Just spit my coffee out upon reading this one http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/23/mother-at-the-centre-of-jermain-defoe-drama-sources . Funny how all this stuff is leaking out now after failing to make the playoffs and the final game is approaching. This seems to be a classic blame shifting exercise by management by making Defoe and his mother the story instead of the real story which is management screwed up this season. The info in this story seems to have been spoon-fed from management. Unbelievable that they can't even use propaganda properly by trying to make Defoe the scapegoat instead of themselves with such a clumsy attempt. Sadly this kind of crap will be gobbled down by some. Management screwed up this season and no one else.
ensco
10-24-2014, 06:49 AM
Just spit my coffee out upon reading this one http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/23/mother-at-the-centre-of-jermain-defoe-drama-sources . Funny how all this stuff is leaking out now after failing to make the playoffs and the final game is approaching. This seems to be a classic blame shifting exercise by management by making Defoe and his mother the story instead of the real story which is management screwed up this season. The info in this story seems to have been spoon-fed from management. Unbelievable that they can't even use propaganda properly by trying to make Defoe the scapegoat instead of themselves with such a clumsy attempt. Sadly this kind of crap will be gobbled down by some. Management screwed up this season and no one else.
I think you maybe have it right- I mean, why TFC would want to crush his transfer value by helping someone write this story, it's mindboggling?
Possible answer- because Harry Potter sees the train wreck that is coming in January (there will be no transfer fee, and TFC will have to eat salary) and is looking to say/do anything to make this look like someone else's screwup
Everybody looks terrible here. As I said in news thread:
Larsun's "story" on Defoe ... it could be true, but that is one shoddy hatchet job of unsourced innuendo, as written
More broadly, I mean who cares WHY, he acted the way he acted, he is responsible for his actions and decisions.
Areathrasher
10-24-2014, 06:55 AM
I giggled inside every time I read "well placed source" in Larsons piece.
FRANKIE65
10-24-2014, 07:06 AM
What a freakin' soap opera:picard:
Break out the popcorn for the post season speaches.
Was saying to the wife on the way to work this morning, had TFC never signed "The Bloody Big Distraction" I honestly think they would have made the playoffs. All speculation, but, I think Gilberto would have bagged at least 15. The club would have gelled better. Hey, I could be full of shit, but all the drama definitely took it's toll.
ag futbol
10-24-2014, 08:52 AM
I think we should stop looking at TFC as a sports team and more like a piece of living Shakespearean theatre (or bad reality TV).
After all, it's maple leaf sports AND Entrrtainment. Are you not entertained? I don't know of we're sported but we are most certaintly entertained.
ag futbol
10-24-2014, 08:55 AM
BTW, shades of Vince Carter here and a third rate hatchet job by a hack reporter.
I am no fan of Defoe, but what is this other than a management face saving exercise?
Canary10
10-24-2014, 08:58 AM
You know, the BMO Field renovation seems like a good idea. But tell me, will anyone step anywhere near it without at least a hard hat in fear that the pieces start falling down at some point?
Detroit_TFC
10-24-2014, 09:06 AM
I'm not sure I buy the story, but it doesn't matter because the punchline is still the same, Defoe's got to go.
The timing totally reeks of distraction, but most of the points in the article check against info that I got during the season.
Knowing that its pretty much true, it doesn't change a lot of things. Its being used as a distraction tool for a miserable season. Get ready for the sunshine cannons to be shot up our asses.
ag futbol
10-24-2014, 09:21 AM
The timing totally reeks of distraction, but most of the points in the article check against info that I got during the season.
Knowing that its pretty much true, it doesn't change a lot of things. Its being used as a distraction tool for a miserable season. Get ready for the sunshine cannons to be shot up our asses.
Yep, and really it all reeks of heads in the clouds at the management level.
Team wants to go out and sign world class talent, is suprised world class talent is more difficult to manage than average MLS player. Shocker.
gdg_9
10-24-2014, 09:24 AM
The timing totally reeks of distraction, but most of the points in the article check against info that I got during the season.
Knowing that its pretty much true, it doesn't change a lot of things. Its being used as a distraction tool for a miserable season. Get ready for the sunshine cannons to be shot up our asses.
If all this was true, why didn't the team just let him go??
Surely they had to know that the bad image of letting your star player leave after have a season, while still bad, isn't as bad as the disaster that was sure to follow with a disgruntled star who doesn't want to be here causing a major distraction the rest of the season!
They should have just accepted the transfer, and then came out with something along the lines of "the player didn't want to be here anymore, and we don't need that around our club. We only want people who are 100% committed to what we are trying to achieve"... would have been an infinitely better response to a tough situation for the club.
Ultra & Proud
10-24-2014, 09:27 AM
The timing totally reeks of distraction, but most of the points in the article check against info that I got during the season.
Knowing that its pretty much true, it doesn't change a lot of things. Its being used as a distraction tool for a miserable season. Get ready for the sunshine cannons to be shot up our asses.
This is it right here.
Of course it's true. It's happened before with him and his Mommy and we were foolish enough to think he'd change but I am totally sure the TFC brass and their personal reporter Larsun sat on this story until they needed to smoke screen the bad campaign and the poor optics of the Henry 'deal'. Classic old school TFC is back again.
If all this was true, why didn't the team just let him go??
Surely they had to know that the bad image of letting your star player leave after have a season, while still bad, isn't as bad as the disaster that was sure to follow with a disgruntled star who doesn't want to be here causing a major distraction the rest of the season!
They should have just accepted the transfer, and then came out with something along the lines of "the player didn't want to be here anymore, and we don't need that around our club. We only want people who are 100% committed to what we are trying to achieve"... would have been an infinitely better response to a tough situation for the club.
Well the one detail that is touched upon is that Tim B was not looking to move Defoe in that window. It was an insult that Defoes Mom went out and made the deal behind the teams back then put it against their heads like a loaded gun. Sure they made the money look good but a decision was made on principal. Personally I suspect that Nelsen got ropped into the move too, which hurried his way out the door.
The commitment - however flawed - was to buy their way into the playoffs by getting high priced DP players and getting some competent MLS core guys around them. I do think TFC tried really hard to make it happen but I know we would all rather a proper plan and structured team where stuff like this doesn't happen. Its incredible to think a person outside the team held it hostage. As well, its equally incredible that a single player still impacts things so much. We need a team with 11 players, not 1.
Ultra & Proud
10-24-2014, 09:55 AM
We need a team with 11 players, not 1.
I hope we learn from this and realize that we don't need a big flashy named AM but someone like a Gilberto who works hard, does his job well, and is a solid team mate. I can live without the glitz and showmanship. Just give us a real team.
I hope we learn from this and realize that we don't need a big flashy named AM but someone like a Gilberto who works hard, does his job well, and is a solid team mate. I can live without the glitz and showmanship. Just give us a real team.
the ridiculous thing is that that seemed to be the direction we were heading with Payne. and then Liewike comes in with all the answers and a swift axe to Payne.
ag futbol
10-24-2014, 10:41 AM
I hope we learn from this and realize that we don't need a big flashy named AM but someone like a Gilberto who works hard, does his job well, and is a solid team mate. I can live without the glitz and showmanship. Just give us a real team.
Exactly.
Find me the clone of Pedro Morales and bring him here to play next to Bradley. Gilberto or whoever else up top.
No flash, just function and guys who are committed.
Canary10
10-24-2014, 10:42 AM
"The ridiculous thing is that that seemed to be the direction we were heading with Payne. and then Liewike comes in with all the answers and a swift axe to Payne."
Fact is, we would be no worse off with Laba and Urruti (who has scored two more goals than Gilberto this year).
HeyToronto
10-24-2014, 10:45 AM
the ridiculous thing is that that seemed to be the direction we were heading with Payne. and then Liewike comes in with all the answers and a swift axe to Payne.
Payne put the fire out got the cap under control. Imagine we had Laba playing beside Bradley & I'm very confident he would have been able to sign Bradley. He was still here during the Roma friendly where I'm positive the seed of playing for Toronto was planted in Bradley's head.
#GETUSEDTOIT.
Ultra & Proud
10-24-2014, 10:59 AM
Exactly.
Find me the clone of Pedro Morales and bring him here to play next to Bradley. Gilberto or whoever else up top.
No flash, just function and guys who are committed.
Exactly and Morales should be the blue print for what we're looking for.
Ajax TFC
10-24-2014, 11:04 AM
the ridiculous thing is that that seemed to be the direction we were heading with Payne. and then Liewike comes in with all the answers and a swift axe to Payne.
Payne dug his own grave by hiring Nelsen. Nelsen never seemed too interested in these kinds of players (as evidenced by how quickly Urruti was sent away after Nelsen had a look at him). I often wonder if Payne even interviewed Nelsen to find out what his vision for building the team was, or if he thought that as a young inexperienced coach (a term I use lightly here), he would just do whatever he was told. That didn't happen, they had a falling out, and Lieweke took Nelsen's side.
Ultra & Proud
10-24-2014, 11:36 AM
There is a certain comfort in knowing that we are back to our sabotaging, character assassinating, back room hijinx again. Didn't seem quite right being above board for the past year or so. At least the failing was always there to comfort us but now we got the soap opera back too.
Pookie
10-24-2014, 11:53 AM
I don't like Defoe's contract. I think was a mistake. I also think that if he wants out, Air Canada offers daily flights to the UK.
All of that said, this character stuff is really over the top and unnecessary. Defoe simply wants a change. The team is better off without his contract. That's win-win.
All that is left is the egg on the face of those that made the decision to offer the contract in the first place. I guess the only thing that wipes egg of comes from the gutter?
Ultra & Proud
10-24-2014, 12:18 PM
All that is left is the egg on the face of those that made the decision to offer the contract in the first place. I guess the only thing that wipes egg of comes from the gutter?
Convenient that the guy who made that decision has all but left already huh?
ag futbol
10-24-2014, 08:18 PM
I don't like Defoe's contract. I think was a mistake. I also think that if he wants out, Air Canada offers daily flights to the UK.
All of that said, this character stuff is really over the top and unnecessary. Defoe simply wants a change. The team is better off without his contract. That's win-win.
All that is left is the egg on the face of those that made the decision to offer the contract in the first place. I guess the only thing that wipes egg of comes from the gutter?
I'm inclined to let the attitude pass until he goes missing mid season around the end of the transfer window which "had" to be treated in England.
That's a little bit tough to overlook. He looks motivated... To play in January for another team.
Shakes McQueen
10-24-2014, 08:38 PM
I liked the Defoe signing, but it's clear he just couldn't adjust to the play in MLS, or couldn't handle being away from England. Still think it was an ambitious move by the FO, that just didn't work out. It happens.
I'm less enamoured with how the entire ordeal has been handled, and I'm 99% sure that the "highly placed" source for this mud-slinging Toronto Sun story, is Leiweke himself. He probably knows Defoe is gone as of January, and wants to start laying the foundation for an "it was out of my hands/all their fault" defense, when that happens. Maybe it's even all true, but it's not the right way to do business.
I'm not thrilled with how Defoe has conducted himself either (particularly disappearing to England for several weeks for a "second opinion", then coming back like nothing happened), but it doesn't excuse being just as bad, if not worse.
Time to end this relationship, I guess, and move on. Don't really think there's much more to say about it.
jazzy
10-24-2014, 09:01 PM
What a freakin' soap opera:picard:
Break out the popcorn for the post season speaches.
Was saying to the wife on the way to work this morning, had TFC never signed "The Bloody Big Distraction" I honestly think they would have made the playoffs. All speculation, but, I think Gilberto would have bagged at least 15. The club would have gelled better. Hey, I could be full of shit, but all the drama definitely took it's toll.
agreed........it takes a team to win not an overpaid individual...who stands there and waves his arms ........and maybe we could have kept Laba . of course it is not all on him but it set the tone and what was important to the the brass . Defoe is simply your English striker , not there when the chips are down and they always need service .
Blizzard
10-25-2014, 09:54 PM
Payne dug his own grave by hiring Nelsen. Nelsen never seemed too interested in these kinds of players (as evidenced by how quickly Urruti was sent away after Nelsen had a look at him). I often wonder if Payne even interviewed Nelsen to find out what his vision for building the team was, or if he thought that as a young inexperienced coach (a term I use lightly here), he would just do whatever he was told. That didn't happen, they had a falling out, and Lieweke took Nelsen's side.
Urruti scored again tonight. That makes ten for the season.
pdubs
10-29-2014, 11:22 AM
Some interesting stuff from Larson on twitter. Found this just now as someone was talking to Larson about Bez/Vanney and such. Seems like something happened with regards to Nelson that justified the firing that currently is not known to the public. Will apparently come out in the future. I wonder what it could be to make Larson adamant that Bez made the correct/only decision? Makes it seem separate from the record/press conference/ect. Hmmm.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 24m24 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527488537114210304)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) Had to fire him, IMO. Which will come out later.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 19m19 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527489809401778176)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) Yes, it will. But if the right decision was made, what more can someone do?
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 14m14 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527491034281148417)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) No, it was. Some certain things happened that haven't come out yet. They will.
Areathrasher
10-29-2014, 11:47 AM
I have a theory. Look up what happened to Jim Magiltion at QPR.
backbeat
10-29-2014, 11:55 AM
Some interesting stuff from Larson on twitter. Found this just now as someone was talking to Larson about Bez/Vanney and such. Seems like something happened with regards to Nelson that justified the firing that currently is not known to the public. Will apparently come out in the future. I wonder what it could be to make Larson adamant that Bez made the correct/only decision? Makes it seem separate from the record/press conference/ect. Hmmm.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 24m24 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527488537114210304)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) Had to fire him, IMO. Which will come out later.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 19m19 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527489809401778176)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) Yes, it will. But if the right decision was made, what more can someone do?
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 14m14 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527491034281148417)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) No, it was. Some certain things happened that haven't come out yet. They will.
rough sex??? g:D
Areathrasher
10-29-2014, 12:31 PM
Duane Rollins @24thminute (https://twitter.com/24thminute) · 4m4 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/527511654574350336)
@DuncanDFletcher (https://twitter.com/DuncanDFletcher) @StephGunther (https://twitter.com/StephGunther) there's no big secret. My understanding -- and others are far more inside -- is that major difference...
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/477472756582191106/J6L9_76w_normal.jpegDuane Rollins @24thminute (https://twitter.com/24thminute) · 3m3 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/527511835394969600)
@DuncanDFletcher (https://twitter.com/DuncanDFletcher) @StephGunther (https://twitter.com/StephGunther) had to do with long term vision of how to build team. Nelsen wanted to dump more depth now for another...
Duane Rollins @24thminute (https://twitter.com/24thminute) · 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/527512077259513856)
@DuncanDFletcher (https://twitter.com/DuncanDFletcher) @StephGunther (https://twitter.com/StephGunther) bigger signing. TB felt that it was better to stick with core (and I see one where you may not) and risk...
Duane Rollins @24thminute (https://twitter.com/24thminute) · 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/24thminute/status/527512318704619520)
@DuncanDFletcher (https://twitter.com/DuncanDFletcher) @StephGunther (https://twitter.com/StephGunther) this season continuing to tank. That lead to conflict which ultimately blew up after NE game.
Canary10
10-29-2014, 01:02 PM
Honestly, it would have been so much easier (smarter) for Bez to have stuck with Nelsen to the end. If we didn't make the playoffs (which was looking likely), firing him is easy. You can tell the fans that the coach paid for not fulfilling the promise made to us. We're happy someone paid the price. There is time to install Vanney, or whoever, properly. New coach doesn't get saddled with being the one who couldn't turn it around and make the playoffs, as Vanney is now rightly or wrongly. And so we go. I think it was a big strategic mistake for Bez.
Areathrasher
10-29-2014, 01:10 PM
Agreed, the optics of it are awful.
2 thoughts on the timing though.
1. If he didn't do it then, could Nelsen have made a powerplay to Leiweke or the Board to save himself? He has form for that.
2. If they thought the season was going in the tank would it be better to get a new guy on the job now given there could be no preseason(CBA) and a 7 game road trip to start the year?
Not making excuses for Bez just thinking out loud.
Canary10
10-29-2014, 01:19 PM
Agreed, the optics of it are awful.
2 thoughts on the timing though.
1. If he didn't do it then, could Nelsen have made a powerplay to Leiweke or the Board to save himself? He has form for that.
2. If they thought the season was going in the tank would it be better to get a new guy on the job now given there could be no preseason(CBA) and a 7 game road trip to start the year?
Not making excuses for Bez just thinking out loud.
I think he legitimately thought it could be turned around and we could still make the playoffs. Just a guess.
speckles
10-29-2014, 02:20 PM
Some interesting stuff from Larson on twitter. Found this just now as someone was talking to Larson about Bez/Vanney and such. Seems like something happened with regards to Nelson that justified the firing that currently is not known to the public. Will apparently come out in the future. I wonder what it could be to make Larson adamant that Bez made the correct/only decision? Makes it seem separate from the record/press conference/ect. Hmmm.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 24m24 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527488537114210304)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) Had to fire him, IMO. Which will come out later.
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 19m19 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527489809401778176)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) Yes, it will. But if the right decision was made, what more can someone do?
Kurtis Larson @KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 14m14 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/527491034281148417)
@Kubani7 (https://twitter.com/Kubani7) No, it was. Some certain things happened that haven't come out yet. They will.
Trashed Defoe now Nelsons turn, if it was serious it would never come out as an employer/employee issue..this management team with it leaks to deflect must be feeling the pressure, the end result is that they will lose all loyalty of this team.
Everyone knew Nelson was going before that final match..it split the team and lead to total distraction.
Canary10
10-29-2014, 02:33 PM
rough sex??? g:D
Ha ha I was going to say that.
Haddy
10-31-2014, 12:49 PM
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29840260
Jermain Defoe: Toronto striker hopes to play for England again
Former Tottenham striker Jermain Defoe talks to Football Focus about his new life with Toronto FC and his hopes of playing for England again.
The 32-year-old, who scored 19 goals in 55 caps, has not played for his country since his February move to the Major League Soccer side (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25680333) and he missed out on the World Cup. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27362447)
Defoe says he would "never" rule himself out of playing for England and with the MLS season now over, he might consider a loan move back to the Premier League with QPR said to be interested (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/29531509).
MightyDM
10-31-2014, 09:45 PM
I have a theory. Look up what happened to Jim Magiltion at QPR.
He was pushed out by crazy rich ownership because of a confrontation (and alleged head butt) with a player? Where is the player in theNelsen scenario?
But out now that you mention it, apparently Magilton wasn't a bad manager in his first job..... Maybe he is available.
Areathrasher
11-01-2014, 08:39 AM
He was pushed out by crazy rich ownership because of a confrontation (and alleged head butt) with a player? Where is the player in theNelsen scenario?
But out now that you mention it, apparently Magilton wasn't a bad manager in his first job..... Maybe he is available.
Nope. Works for the Northen Ireland FA.
Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.
MightyDM
11-01-2014, 01:14 PM
I have a theory. Look up what happened to Jim Magiltion at QPR.
Where is the parallel to Nelsen? Are you suggesting that he lost it in the dressing room with a player? Sorry, but both your posts leave me baffled.
BritSOL
11-10-2014, 08:26 PM
http://www.sportsbreak.com/soccer/the-9-worst-transfer-failures-of-2014/2/
TFC made number 8 of the worst transfers of 2014
TFC made number 8 of the worst transfers of 2014
At least we made the playoffs in that league!
Betting Odds on Defoe
Sign For Before 4th February Loan deals do count
Leicester 5/6 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306618&lp_num=5&lp_den=6)
Q.P.R. 1/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306617&lp_num=1&lp_den=1)
Stay at Toronto 9/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306616&lp_num=9&lp_den=1)
West Ham 10/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306621&lp_num=10&lp_den=1)
Liverpool 12/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=163227562&lp_num=12&lp_den=1)
Tottenham 16/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306622&lp_num=16&lp_den=1)
Arsenal 25/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306619&lp_num=25&lp_den=1)
Crystal Palace 33/1 (http://www.skybet.com/secure/rbs?action=go_gmulti&ev_oc_id=151306620&lp_num=33&lp_den=1)
We're sitting 3rd in probability. lol.
OgtheDim
11-21-2014, 12:29 PM
Somebody in Leicester must have put a lot of money down.
ensco
11-21-2014, 01:36 PM
Spurs at 16/1 are good value there.
Gringo Starr
11-21-2014, 07:25 PM
Defoe's mum with inside info?
Somebody in Leicester must have put a lot of money down.
Graeme
11-24-2014, 11:47 AM
I know the entire board hates Defoe who only scored a paltry 11 goals for us, but some might be interested in this article: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/21/toronto-fc-striker-jermain-defoe-undergoes-groin-surgery-return-unclear
Fort York Redcoat
11-24-2014, 01:15 PM
I know the entire board hates Defoe who only scored a paltry 11 goals for us, but some might be interested in this article: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/11/21/toronto-fc-striker-jermain-defoe-undergoes-groin-surgery-return-unclear
The entire board, huh? Don't leave out the city and province to hit the hyperbole award.
Thanks for the link, though. Whether people like him or not it's info.
MightyDM
11-24-2014, 11:06 PM
When he played, Defoe gave his all. And his comment that he never publicly asked to be traded makes sense in the context of English football where that would be a cardinal sin. He is the most skilled player, based on form for TFC, that we have ever had. I'd love to see us keep him.
backbeat
11-25-2014, 12:56 AM
When he played, Defoe gave his all. And his comment that he never publicly asked to be traded makes sense in the context of English football where that would be a cardinal sin. He is the most skilled player, based on form for TFC, that we have ever had. I'd love to see us keep him.
to me the operative in that quote by Defoe is, "but at the same time I think what people need to realize is I never once came out publiclyand said I want to leave the club.”...now what did he do privately....me wonders......
khso11
11-25-2014, 03:17 AM
If Defoe wants to stay, he could've just said "I love the city, I will stay here to play", it's not his last year on the contract, no need to go left and right to try to avoid the actual answer or lower his negotiation value. I want him to stay, but if the players mind is not here, the player would need to leave.
BuSaPuNk
11-25-2014, 08:52 AM
If Defoe wants to stay, he could've just said "I love the city, I will stay here to play", it's not his last year on the contract, no need to go left and right to try to avoid the actual answer or lower his negotiation value. I want him to stay, but if the players mind is not here, the player would need to leave.
What made it so obvious to what is going through his mind was his little rant about people questioning his loyalty about playing here. He got so upset about it and ranted for a few minutes as he couldn't believe people would say that about him.
Yet the next question to him was will you be here next season and he answers with a you don't know what's goibg to happen blah blah blah. If your so upset about people questioning your loyalty there was your chance to shut them up. Instead he gave awayhis true intentions imo.
Hes as good as gone.
C.Ronaldo
11-25-2014, 10:01 AM
What made it so obvious to what is going through his mind was his little rant about people questioning his loyalty about playing here. He got so upset about it and ranted for a few minutes as he couldn't believe people would say that about him.
Yet the next question to him was will you be here next season and he answers with a you don't know what's goibg to happen blah blah blah. If your so upset about people questioning your loyalty there was your chance to shut them up. Instead he gave awayhis true intentions imo.
Hes as good as gone.
the answer he gave privately to my source was also, "its up to the managers and coaches". To which my source called him out as a liar. He wasnt happy about being called a liar. Seems a common theme for him to pout and whine.
p.s. Source was part of the team that courted him and was just as blind sided by it like the rest of us.
Canary10
11-25-2014, 10:03 AM
the answer he gave privately to my source was also, "its up to the managers and coaches". To which my source called him out as a liar. He wasnt happy about being called a liar. Seems a common theme for him to pout and whine.
p.s. Source was part of the team that courted him and was just as blind sided by it like the rest of us.
Most of us like being called a liar to our faces.
C.Ronaldo
11-25-2014, 10:10 AM
Most of us like being called a liar to our faces.
touché
QBall
12-02-2014, 03:32 PM
Looks like the following article has Leicester targeting Defoe. Wish someone wold tell us something about what's going on with Defoe. Sucks being left to flutter in the wind.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2837632/Diego-Godin-Manchester-United-Jermain-Defoe-Leicester-s-Premier-League-clubs-planned-January.html
Looks like the following article has Leicester targeting Defoe. Wish someone wold tell us something about what's going on with Defoe. Sucks being left to flutter in the wind.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2837632/Diego-Godin-Manchester-United-Jermain-Defoe-Leicester-s-Premier-League-clubs-planned-January.html
Do we really need it to be official to accept he's never going to play for us again?
Still Kicking
12-02-2014, 05:58 PM
Flutter in the wind is what we all do until the window opens on Jan.1....if TFC/MLS blab that they are selling or Defoe burns that last plank on his Toronto bridge, less money goes onto the table...
West220Side
12-02-2014, 06:55 PM
Flutter in the wind is what we all do until the window opens on Jan.1....if TFC/MLS blab that they are selling or Defoe burns that last plank on his Toronto bridge, less money goes onto the table...
I was always more of a Peter Crouch man myself anyways. g:D
Still Kicking
12-10-2014, 05:52 PM
I was always more of a Peter Crouch man myself anyways. g:D
must not dignify your rumour mill until January transfer window closes....
MightyDM
12-10-2014, 07:54 PM
Interesting to see what has happened to Newcastle when they stuck with their manager...... Just sayin'
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