TFC at. DCU July 30 at 7:00 EDT - Sportsnet 1

[OgtheDim]

And so the road trip begins.

Tough game again, especially with only 1 of our usual back 4.

Winnable - yes. Time for us to get a result I think. Need to show we can win away occasionally.

[Fort York Redcoat]

I plan on being at Joe's for this.



Also: I may have Canada vs Jamaica tickets for 112 with me.:canada:

[Canary10]

We really need 4 points minimum in this week's two games.

[molenshtain]

I think we're really going to want to bounce back from the last game. 2-0 for us. Bradley runs the midfield and Gilberto and Defoe get the goals.

[Yohan]

what a topsy turvy league MLS is. New England looked to run away with the East early season why DCU was sucking so bad. Now it's the reverse.

I don't know what's got into Olsen's men, but they grind out results. RFK has generally been not very kind to TFC.

Also, vote if you want this game as free stream of the week.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/07/28/mls-stream-week-vote-see-your-favorite-match-week-21

[Canary10]

what a topsy turvy league MLS is. New England looked to run away with the East early season why DCU was sucking so bad. Now it's the reverse.

I don't know what's got into Olsen's men, but they grind out results. RFK has generally been not very kind to TFC.

Also, vote if you want this game as free stream of the week.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/07/28/mls-stream-week-vote-see-your-favorite-match-week-21

Only two games away from tying the record. With a DGW, they could tie it this week. One away from our awesome 0-9 start. Crazy.

[portu]

I hate games on sportsnet there always so poorly broadcast.

[KGH]

Gonna be an interesting back 4:

Creavalle...Orr...Hagglund...Morrow?

or do they move Jackson to RB? Hall?

Maybe Morrow over to the right and Morgan gets a start?

I noticed at the end of the SKC game we played with 3 at the back. Could that be a possibility?

[Pint]

I think the 3 at the back was due to being a goal down and a man up not something Nelsen would ever be comfortable with (don't think we have the personnel to do it either).

I think the back 4 will likely be the 4 you posted and it will be interesting how goes on wednesday.

[BuSaPuNk]

I think Ceravalle gets a look this week. Should be him and Hagglund, Orr and Morrow on the backline as suggested here.

Also like to see a more attack minded midfield with leaving Warner in between to play line to line between defenders and the midfield.

Jackson and Orduro on the wings to take advantage of DCs older midfield.

[OgtheDim]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 1h (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/494159063836397571) Based on what I saw at training today, expect a Morrow, Orr, Hagglund, Creavalle back four for #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) vs DC United



Tim Drodge ‏@bgnewf (https://twitter.com/bgnewf) 53m (https://twitter.com/bgnewf/status/494171679401476096) And #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) gets yet another RAW ref tomorrow night vs DC. Chris Penso has reffed a grand total of SIX MLS GAMES going into tomorrow night

[prizby]

sportsnet 360 for the broadcast now

[Yohan]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)1h (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/494159063836397571) Based on what I saw at training today, expect a Morrow, Orr, Hagglund, Creavalle back four for #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) vs DC United



Tim Drodge ‏@bgnewf (https://twitter.com/bgnewf)53m (https://twitter.com/bgnewf/status/494171679401476096) And #TFC (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFC?src=hash) gets yet another RAW ref tomorrow night vs DC. Chris Penso has reffed a grand total of SIX MLS GAMES going into tomorrow night

http://www.proreferees.com/roster-chris-penso.php

Penso has been reffing in MLS since 2011. He still sucks though

[superhoops]

TSN 1050 has it on radio at 7 PM.

[portu]

I want us to DESTROY DC after Olsen had the balls to come to our house and throw tantrum after tantrum about the officiating.

4 nil for the best team in the East. Defoe with the brace, Gilberto with one from the spot and Hagglund from a set piece.

[mowe]

^ What he said.

[molenshtain]

^^And for Bendik to prove all his haters wrong by lobbing Hamid, intentionally.

[DOMIN8R]

This is going to be a hard match to watch to the end, for those who play the Espindola drinking game.

[Morlesio14]

Defoe-Gilberto
lovitz-bradley-Warner-oduro
morrow-orr-hagglund-creavalle
bendik

Notes:
jackson can fuck off
osorio can come on later with moore
we will win

[Richard]

http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2014/07/1057628_Toronto_FC.jpg

Common Nelsen, lets see Gilberto in the hole for a few games.

[OgtheDim]

This is going to be a hard match to watch to the end, for those who play the Espindola drinking game.


Apparently he ain't playing.

[Supporting]

Defoe-Gilberto
lovitz-bradley-Warner-oduro
morrow-orr-hagglund-creavalle
bendik

Notes:
jackson can fuck off
osorio can come on later with moore
we will win

Jackson>lovitz.

All I have seen lovitz do is try and deke out defender and go for a cross (not always successfully). None of our forwards are really known for their air game, I much prefer Jackson cutting into the middle and feeding Defoe.

[BuSaPuNk]

Jackson>lovitz.

All I have seen lovitz do is try and deke out defender and go for a cross (not always successfully). None of our forwards are really known for their air game, I much prefer Jackson cutting into the middle and feeding Defoe.

I disagree. Lovitz balls are probably the best on the team. Always puts them in good spots and always makes a good move to create space to throw the cross in.

I'm also done with Jackson trying to beat everyone and losing the ball and making or in his case not making a pass in the final third.

I find Lovitz is more consistent then Jackson.

[Canary10]

I disagree. Lovitz balls are probably the best on the team. Always puts them in good spots and always makes a good move to create space to throw the cross in.

I'm also done with Jackson trying to beat everyone and losing the ball and making or in his vCard see not maki bbm g a pass in the final third.

I find Lovitz is more consistent then Jackson.

Your street lingo confuses me.

[BuSaPuNk]

Your street lingo confuses me.

hahaha fixed dam phone lol

[Canary10]

hahaha fixed dam phone lol

Lol.

[TFC1154ever]

Is it just me or has anyone else thought Orr has played badly the last few games? If you watch the replay of KC game, he is legit looking at the ground and has no awareness that jacob paterson was cutting right in front of him. Made him look like a Pilon. Made a few stupid errors that have cost us goals. Not been comfortable with him on field at all.

[Ultra & Proud]

Is it just me or has anyone else thought Orr has played badly the last few games? If you watch the replay of KC game, he is legit looking at the ground and has no awareness that jacob paterson was cutting right in front of him. Made him look like a Pilon. Made a few stupid errors that have cost us goals. Not been comfortable with him on field at all.
He'll be out there tonight with Henry being suspended though.

[Phil]

So Jackson is on 4 yellows. With the card happy new ref, I bet we see him on the bench in Montreal.

[Derko]

Is it just me or has anyone else thought Orr has played badly the last few games? If you watch the replay of KC game, he is legit looking at the ground and has no awareness that jacob paterson was cutting right in front of him. Made him look like a Pilon. Made a few stupid errors that have cost us goals. Not been comfortable with him on field at all.

I actually thought it looked (on the replay) like Orr mistakenly made a short clearnace across the box right onto Peterson's foot, instead of trying to blast the ball away. A costly mistake, but he has been generally pretty good.

[ryan]

Lovitz balls are probably the best on the team.

Phrasing!


So Jackson is on 4 yellows. With the card happy new ref, I bet we see him on the bench in Montreal.

Well if there's a game to miss, it's vs the Limpact.

[portu]

We are getting no love from the MLSsoccer editors in the midweek "Pick 'em"

[JonO]

Phrasing!
http://www.cbc.ca/live/images/blue-myself-gif-tobias.gif

[portu]

No Gilberto again. Why the hell is he even on the team, just sell him back to Brasil, Bez.

[OgtheDim]

That defence is so much better than we had for years and still not good enough.

If this goes pear shaped, only Morgan on the bench. Hall is so far down he can't even be called our #8 defender or our #8 midfielder

[mowe]

No Gilberto again. Why the hell is he even on the team, just sell him back to Brasil, Bez.

Ya we need to start him with Defoe.

The @ExpediaCA (https://twitter.com/ExpediaCA) Starting XI: Bendik, Creavalle, Orr, Hagglund, Morrow, Oduro, Bradley, Warner, Jackson, Moore, Defoe
#TFClive (https://twitter.com/hashtag/TFClive?src=hash) Bench: Konopka, Morgan, Bekker, Lovitz, Osorio, De Rosario, Gilberto.

[hulkrogan]

That starting XI is the one that is always wrong, right? Gilberto is better than Moore. He seems healthy. I just don't get it.

[Smokecell]

That starting XI is the one that is always wrong, right? Gilberto is better than Moore. He seems healthy. I just don't get it.

Gilberto may be better than Moore but he's not scoring goals and that's what he's paid to do, I think it's as simple as that. I'd imagine the plan was to run Gilberto on the bench until he regained form but that hasn't happened.

[evermorian]

Is there a free stream for the game?

[Pint]

Could be as simple as Gilberto started saturday and will start vs montreal while Moore gets todays game and will be on the bench saturday.

[OgtheDim]

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=266134&part=sports

http://www.ifeed2all.eu/watch/272482/1/watch-dc-united-vs-toronto-fc.html

[__wowza]

no ones on the end of a lot of our passes early in the game.

[khso11]

nooooo, what a chance for oduro, poor

[mowe]

GREAT run and pass by Bradley, Oduro should've finished that.

aaaand they come right back and score. fuck.

[__wowza]

once again, other teams are capitalizing on their chances when we can't.

[QBall]

Johnson was left wide open. Poor marking.

[kodiakTFC]

I need a new hobby. Any suggestions?

[OgtheDim]

Orr was out to lunch there.

Creavalle tried with his feet.

One of either Moore or Oduro should have scored there.

[Morlesio14]

C'mon boys

[notthesun]

Good to see we picked up right where we left off against SKC. Should be 2-1 for us right now.

[__wowza]

orr is looking like shit right now.

[OgtheDim]

DC commentators better then Sportsnet.

[QBall]

Bendik saved our ass on Johnson's mini-break.

[OgtheDim]

Orr looking like he has had a bit too much lunch.

We seem to have gone from being Stoke to being Newcastle.

[Couchy81]

DC commentators better then Sportsnet.

I'm watching CSN as well, agreed.

[QBall]

Offence isn't clicking tonight. Wonder how much longer until Gilberto is brought on?

[Couchy81]

Offence isn't clicking tonight. Wonder how much longer until Gilberto is brought on?

Knowing Nelsen, 55 minutes from now.

[khso11]

Warren Creavelle looks like Jeremy Hall atm, but i'll give him time.

[pdubs]

defense was terrible on the goal but before that oduro needs to score. no excuse.

[jazzy]

Nelson simply doesn't like Gilberto. He thinks he has a team capable of playing it cool and we will counter and win. I simply wish Gilberto would get the time to play as Moore. Money IS playing into this.They're hoping More can replace Gilberto and will die trying. Stubbornness will defeat us. Why is any ball that its hit into our box a great scoring chance..Jacksons mental indecision blows a great scoring pass chance to Defoe ........or game in a nutshell.

[pdubs]

Nelson simply doesn't like Gilberto. He thinks he has a team capable of playing it cool and we will counter and win. I simply wish Gilberto would get the time to play as Moore. Money IS playing into this.They're hoping More can replace Gilberto and will die trying. Stubbornness will defeat us. Why is any ball that its hit into our box a great scoring chance..Jacksons mental indecision blows a great scoring pass chance to Defoe ........or game in a nutshell.

any chance defoe has nelson's ear on this? i know ultra cynical but idk.

[jazzy]

Yup DC commentators have been very fair to us......CSN.......

[__wowza]

bradleys been chipping a lot to nowhere.

[Couchy81]

Oh my god Jackson why does he shoot that.

[notthesun]

Well at least Bradley is looking a bit more like his usual self today.

[QBall]

DC's defense looks very porous. We're just lacking a good finishing shot. I feel TFC will equalize before the half.

[OgtheDim]

Jackson on the ball is useless from outside the 18.

[__wowza]

DC's defense looks very porous. We're just lacking a good finishing shot. I feel TFC will equalize before the half.

they're not porous where it's needed. they'll let us run through the midfield and cut off all shooting channels down the centre. there's been about 3 or 4 blocked shots already.

[Globetrotter]

Houston can take him back for free. No wonder Houston defence was worse than our terrible back line.

[khso11]

another stupid ref

[QBall]

Another blown call by the ref on Defoe. Conspiracy?

[Couchy81]

lol Boswell had Defoe's arm with both hands, that should have been a penalty.

[OgtheDim]

Houston can take him back for free. No wonder Houston defence was worse than our terrible back line.

Heard the exact same thing with Morrow at the beginning of the season.

Defenders need time to get in with the rest of the team. 5 days and 32 minutes of playing time is not enough to judge.

[jazzy]

any chance defoe has nelson's ear on this? i know ultra cynical but idk.

i think your right..

[flamehawk]

Heard the exact same thing with Morrow at the beginning of the season.

Defenders need time to get in with the rest of the team. 5 days and 32 minutes of playing time is not enough to judge.

Wonder if it would've been better to put Morgan in at LB and move Morrow to right then..

[khso11]

what is jacksons football IQ? 1?

[Smokecell]

The stats in this half are meaningless. TFC is throwing nothing but garbage at Hamid time and time again.

[OgtheDim]

Jackson's shooting is pathetic.

[khso11]

Shouldve been a first time shot for Oduro

[QBall]

Oduro should have been better than that.

[Smokecell]

Between KC and now this my frustration levels with this team are through the roof. Poor all around.

[__wowza]

our entire front line is playing like a bad porn.


no one can finish.

[notthesun]

Oduro should have two now. Again our lack of finishing is making us lose.

[Smokecell]

Oduro has cinder block feet with these first touches

[OgtheDim]

Between KC and now this my frustration levels with this team are through the roof. Poor all around.


Hagglund and Morrow and Bradley and Warner and Moore and Defoe have been good. Oduro is hit and miss and Jackson is useless when he doesn't pass. Creavalle is too new to notice anything - and they are not attacking his side. Bendik hasn't had to do much except watch one go by in the net and one go by his post. Orr though is not going to cut it long term as a starting CD.

[jabbronies]

Shitty first half. This looks like the TFC teams of old. They get to the 18 yard box and then can't do shit from there.

[ag futbol]

Oduro should have two now. Again our lack of finishing is making us lose.
That's the kind of players Oduro and Jackson are though. You take the athleticism and speed, you sacrifice the other stuff...

Not totally out of it, but certainty not inspiring. Still waiting for start of the season Bradley to reappear.

[QBall]

SN commentator is awful. First he can't tell the difference between a goal and a shot going into the side netting, then he thought a whistle for a foul was the halftime whistle. Did he really think the ref was going to blow halftime when the ball is in mid-air for a corner?

[Loyal]

Defoe is going to have a stroke if Jackson and Orduro don't take the blinkers off - zero soccer sense between them

Speaking of broken down race horses Bradley Orr runs like he's in quick sand

[Smokecell]

Dan Dunleavy needs to find a new gig on the golf network, he can take Lee Godfrey with him too.

[nonc]

Watching Nelsen try and manage is very painful and I hope it is for Leiweke too.

[notthesun]

That's the kind of players Oduro and Jackson are though. You take the athleticism and speed, you sacrifice the other stuff...

Not totally out of it, but certainty not inspiring. Still waiting for start of the season Bradley to reappear.

I thought he looked pretty good that half. If Oduro finishes his chances, Bradley has two assists. He's been way more involved than recent games so far IMO.

[Bantamfan]

Gilberto may be better than Moore but he's not scoring goals and that's what he's paid to do, I think it's as simple as that. I'd imagine the plan was to run Gilberto on the bench until he regained form but that hasn't happened.
How the hell is he supposed to regain his form if he doesn't get enough playing time?

[nonc]

I don't even think they would give Nelsen a job in Wellington.

[JayMolly]

Another blown call by the ref on Defoe. Conspiracy?

Agree.
The defender had one hand on Defoe's arm and the other hand on his body . . .
How could an official miss that?

[portu]

Orr is a disaster.

Morrow is good as always.

Bradley wants to be Pirlo and is slow as hell.

Defoe must be frustrated, could easily have a brace already.

Jackson doesn't know what he's doing out there half the time.

Moore is decent but would still rather have Gilberto out there.

Oduro is quick but first touch leaves me wanting.

Warner looks better than Bradley at times, knows his limitations.

Hagglund excellent again.

Bendik is OK but that gaffe at the end there.

Creavalle is decent for a sub and is showing well given he isn't a RB.

I'm a pretty positive person as you can see.

[OgtheDim]

DCU is giving up a bit of space between their mids and their defence. Crying out for a #10 to pull back into that space.

[__wowza]

Agree.
The defender had one hand on Defoe's arm and the other hand on his body . . .
How could an official miss that?


agreed but, much like last game, if we could finish our chances then this wouldn't be an issue.
the ref isn't costing us the game, we're leaving it up to him to decide it for us.

[__wowza]

are. you. kidding. me?

[khso11]

what a pass, and wow, what was moore doing?

[__wowza]

what a pass, and wow, what was moore doing?

he didn't have a lot of space to react, but you don't try and chip a keeper whose 3 feet in front of you. i don't buy that whole "he didn't know he was going to get the ball" argument from luke devos, you play to the fucking whistle.

[notthesun]

Oh my god get Gilberto on the field right fucking now. That's fucking inexcusable, he barely even shot the ball.

[khso11]

he didn't have a lot of space to react, but you don't try and chip a keeper whose 3 feet in front of you. i don't buy that whole "he didn't know he was going to get the ball" argument from luke devos, you play to the fucking whistle.

ohh, he knew he was getting the ball, otherwise he wouldn't move. And yes he should've moved to one side get pass the keeper then shoot.

[Smokecell]

How the hell is he supposed to regain his form if he doesn't get enough playing time?

By taking his chance when it comes, which he has not. A DP striker with 2 goals in 14 appearances spells trouble. Don't get me wrong I rate the guy as well but I don't care if you're name is Robin v Persie - if you have that kind of strike rate as a striker you're going to be on the bench.

[pdubs]

even tho offside that shot from oduro was brutal. put lovitz, osorio and gilberto on

[jazzy]

Oduro has cinder block feet with these first touches

and yet their first choice is always to try themselves instead of looking for Defoe....can't believe he's not exploding

[pdubs]

moore that was so poor

[portu]

Where are the subs this is fucking disgusting play from us

[__wowza]

this is getting embarrassing.

[jazzy]

Dan Dunleavy needs to find a new gig on the golf network, he can take Lee Godfrey with him too.

it's a surprise that watching the US feed , how pleasant and informed the DC guys are .

[Smokecell]

TFC throws more garbage on net and gets burned. Surprise surprise

[Couchy81]

Orr kinda sucks

[pdubs]

nelson how about those subs...

and bendik wastes a goal kick lol

[flamehawk]

Why still no subs?????????? Wtf Nelsen

[jazzy]

games lost I'm looking for a brilliant change by Nelson now , Gilberto in a hopeless situation........there's no excuse for Nelson's last few performances

[khso11]

whatever the fuck happened to orr after that bad back pass in Houston, he's a completely different player right now.

[flamehawk]

Have to say, interviews duirng the match are so annoying.. at least just keep it as audio instead of taking up half the screen.

[khso11]

Lovitz is coming on, finally.......

[jabbronies]

This match is lost.
Unless something drastic changes (formation; motivations; subs) to revitalize the team, I don't see them coming back.

[PAOK17]

You're down 2 goals…no rush to put in your DP striker.

[khso11]

Make a double sub, whats the point of wasting more time?

[pdubs]

all we do is try and lob the ball over to defoe

[Wingback6]

This team has gotten worse every game since the World Cup ended.

Warner is invisible half the time, and he plays exactly the same game as Bradley. Neither of them can make a final pass to save their lives. This team looks better on paper. Yet Bekker and Osorio got better results playing in midfield, and that says something.

Caldwell and Henry not being in, is a huge part of it. But there is absolutely NO service to the strikers, coming from a DP CM and a guy we traded a proven goal scorer for. Blame Nelsen all you want. But these are problems created by the GM.

Not to mention that Oduro and Jackson are essentially the same player. Now the attack is entirely predictable.

The league came in to 'fix' TFC. That had a caveat. Now they've simply proven just as inept. Game turned off in 60th minute. Won't keep watching until the team sheet starts to look different.

[Couchy81]

Good sub, Jackson useless up front, drop him back, get the young guns on

[__wowza]

looks about right.

[khso11]

hahahahaha, this is just pathetic

[jazzy]

Nelson's starters have really been piss poor....need a a ballsy mgr who even in the first half sees a poor performance and isn't afraid of making subs at ANY time......these guys are playing like they know they r favoured by Nelson and can do what ever they want.....maybe this is what is wrong with a former player being coach . He's acting like they're friend . Lovitz is a fine player but a game changer ? Is this a friendly ?

[Couchy81]

Game over

[pdubs]

wow. and still no gilberto? what are we doing

[__wowza]

why would you try and clear the ball by heading it towards your net!?

[PAOK17]

That ball was going wide, wasn't it?

[OgtheDim]

Yup...the defence is back to being crap.

No offensive sub could have changed this mess.

[__wowza]

we're shooting like we're trying to improve bill hamid's save %

[Red CB Toronto]

I feel like its time for me to go to bed tonight.

[OgtheDim]

why would you try and clear the ball by heading it towards your net!?


Hagglund is somewhat addicted to his athletic ability.

Defence needs a decent experienced #3 CD to calm Hagglund down - Orr ain't it. Orr is Ok in spurts and as a sub. He's not a starting CD.

[notthesun]

This team is in fucking trouble.

Serious fucking trouble.

[Globetrotter]

It's amazing we're tied for 10th in a 19 team league. We're no where near as good as the good teams in this league.

We're about to be 9 points behind DC.

[ag futbol]

Game plan coming in was predictable. DCU more than handled it and we never adjusted.

Starting lineup uninspiring as well. Speed and athleticism don't count for much when you don't have the prerequisite skill.

[notthesun]

Switch Gilberto for Defoe. No use risking your most important player now, please use your head Nelsen.

edit: Thank god.

[flamehawk]

i am regretting picking up Defoe for my fantasy team..

[SoccMan2]

And the yearly slide to futility has begun it looks like, this seems to be about right, most years about this time during the season TFC begin their slide, by the time this road trip is over a playoff spot will be just a dream like the past 7, looking like a bloody big mess!

[v00d00daddy]

Osorio and Gilberto must wonder if they're on a team for them

[Couchy81]

I'm gonna finally pin a game on Nelsen. He went with the wrong lineup and didn't make decisions in time.

[Morlesio14]

Fuck this team

[pdubs]

gilberto has the right idea, slam one at the net none of these weak efforts

[Alonso]

I'm going to take a deep breathe, not post for 24 hours, and wait for Saturday's result before passing judgement.

[jazzy]

DC is a good team we're not....simple..........so we take out Defoe...and again Gilberto can't hook up with him.....geat the dynamic Moore will save the day ......Nelson this is his worst match ever.......simply not in the game at alll and didn't have them ready . Anyone who watched our last game vs DC would know we would have to be very good to beat them , and we seemingly stroll in believing our hype and play pitifully . Needing a huge wake-up call........Limpact are drooling ......the team structure and cohesiveness is lost tonight . ....Everyone still think play-offs.........hmmmm .maybe but not feeling it.

[ag futbol]

I'll say it: Bradley + Warner < Kitchen + Arnaud, tonight at least.

Of course it helps if your coach thinks a winger is something more than a sprinter who runs up and down the touchline.

[jazzy]

feels about right middle of the summer and my team is boring as shit to watch......

[v00d00daddy]

I'll say it: Bradley + Warner < Kitchen + Arnaud, tonight at least.

Of course it helps if your coach thinks a winger is something more than a sprinter who runs up and down the touchline.

Yup. Any team that would rather have warner and Bradley in the middle of the field and oduro and Jackson on the wings with a kid like Osorio on the bench and a skilled guy like Gilberto as an aftetthought is just not my type of team.

Ryan Nelsen is brutal.

[molenshtain]

oh my, some of the overreactions on here are tremendous. Yeah sure, no one played well tonight. So the world is ending? christ. It's just a rough patch. We had one earlier in the season and we're having one now. I'm sure the sounders fans were saying the the same thing after they lost 5-0 to New England. More important to see is how we rebound from these last three games against a montreal team leaking goals as badly as we are.

[portu]

I'm sorry but Nelsen can no longer bow down to bradley and let him play as a #10. If gilberto isnt going to play then he needs to be sold pure and simple.

[Loyal]

The problem is we have pissed away all our games in hand and are definitely headed in the wrong direction

[PAOK17]

Nelson this is his worst match ever.......


I am highlighting this line because it is seems like this statement gets repeated a lot the past two years. We can't be saying this every weekend without someone in upper management reconsidering Neslsen as a manager.

[khso11]

hahaha, gilberto is not giving up

[v00d00daddy]

I'd rather see

Back line

And then

----------Warner------------Jackson-------
--------------------Bradley---------------
---------------Osorio--------Gilberto------
---------------------Defoe--------------

[ag futbol]

Ryan Nelsen is brutal.
He's basically John Carver, but without the ability to draw up a set play.

[molenshtain]

He's basically John Carver, but without the ability to draw up a set play.

Except that for the most part Nelsen knows how to organize a team and develop players.

[flamehawk]

Except that for the most part Nelsen knows how to organize a team and develop players.


Really?

[v00d00daddy]

Except that for the most part Nelsen knows how to organize a team and develop players.

Don't agree. Osorio is regressing under Nelsen.

[khso11]

Can't think about this game anymore, cant wait for Saturday and watch us destroy the impacts

[notthesun]

3 points against Montreal this weekend - not a draw - or we're in full on crisis mode.

Gilberto and Osorio both need to start.

Get it together Nelsen.

[19Barrett19]

I really don't understand Ryan Nelsons love affair of the 442 it is by far the most basic and stupidest formation in the entire football world he should learn how to manage tactics in the game and how to use his best players pathetic game by tfc be back to basics my 9 year old plays better.

[molenshtain]

Don't agree. Osorio is regressing under Nelsen.

Because a sophomore slump is unheard of? Osorio said himself he hadn't played as well early in the season because he was always injured.

[nonc]

I feel sorry for Gilberto under the fist of our mug head coach.

[molenshtain]

Really?

yes. really.

[19Barrett19]

We have pissed away 6 points in 3 games fire nelson!!

[molenshtain]

I really don't understand Ryan Nelsons love affair of the 442 it is by far the most basic and stupidest formation in the entire football world he should learn how to manage tactics in the game and how to use his best players pathetic game by tfc be back to basics my 9 year old plays better.


PSG just won a title using it. So did Atletico. Ferguson won all of his titles using it. If you want some examples closer to home, the galaxy won both of their most recent titles using it against a team that also played 4-4-2. D.C. also played 4-4-2 tonight. No single tactic is bad. It's the implementation that causes it to fail.

[Couchy81]

I don't know how you can defend Nelsen? He messed up this game big time.

[molenshtain]

We have pissed away 6 points in 3 games fire nelson!!


ahahahaah

[ag futbol]

Except that for the most part Nelsen knows how to organize a team and develop players.
Yeah, I can't agree with that. He organizes the team in the same fashion almost every game. If this were rock-paper-scissors Nelsen would be a "nothing beats rock" guy. I'll give him some credit for identifying Osorio and bringing Henry along, he's not 100% bad, but I don't think this is how TFC gets the most out of it's large investment in player salaries.

[Thomas]

What a disappointing game. Understatement. We are hurting without Bloom and Caldwell. Gili should be starting. I am tired of Defoe gesturing and complaining every time he isn't given the ball. If we can just turn the corner and pulverize the Limpact, I'll be OK for now.

[jazzy]

oh my, some of the overreactions on here are tremendous. Yeah sure, no one played well tonight. So the world is ending? christ. It's just a rough patch. We had one earlier in the season and we're having one now. I'm sure the sounders fans were saying the the same thing after they lost 5-0 to New England. More important to see is how we rebound from these last three games against a montreal team leaking goals as badly as we are.

nope we played badly in the last few games and with some exciting players being overlooked while our coach has been totally second guessed . Respectfully ,You're sounding like a Toronto fan apologist . But I guess we're used to it . I watch the majority of MLS games and we are very hard to watch . A young star like Osario is being wasted , Gilberto with a huge aggressive game is languishing on the bench . Bendik is come see come saw . We're playing like a team put together by and coached by an accountant rather than sports nuts with a burning desire to win . While Nelson loves the aggression of Jackson and Oduro both who constantly ignore Defoe . Why even have Defoe if the mgr is not demanding , find him and get him the damn ball . I'm back to missing our kids have a huge heart and desire to win as a team not hurdy gurdy look at me I can be as good as Defeo approach 's like I'm seeing . Fook the wins just show me some balls and excitement . Tonight after what I saw Morgan would have scared them rather than the Crevaille , and Orr (he's done) ...

I mean no disrespect but I do not want to settle for a piece of crap effort and line-up like I saw tonight . Period . You are right though , it's my bad to waste my precious time watching that 'friendly' .

[reggie]

on the bright side...nobody watches on tv...like RN and TB mentioned this team needs to jell...they are jelling..

[jazzy]

PSG just won a title using it. So did Atletico. Ferguson won all of his titles using it. If you want some examples closer to home, the galaxy won both of their most recent titles using it against a team that also played 4-4-2. D.C. also played 4-4-2 tonight. No single tactic is bad. It's the implementation that causes it to fail.


Fergie would pull you out of a game any time if you weren't producing , whoever you were . Nelson is a bench sitter and predictable . And his 'chosen' ones know it . I miss the best effort and team I saw in New York .

[nonc]

oh my, some of the overreactions on here are tremendous. Yeah sure, no one played well tonight. So the world is ending? christ. It's just a rough patch. We had one earlier in the season and we're having one now. I'm sure the sounders fans were saying the the same thing after they lost 5-0 to New England. More important to see is how we rebound from these last three games against a montreal team leaking goals as badly as we are.

Sounds like propaganda. Seattle has clearly proven they're on another level. TFC is 8-8 with a bunch of home games burned, in the west they'd be irrelevant. Not being able to get 3rd in the absolutely pathetic east with our payroll would be a minor joke unto itself. I wouldn't count losing the 4v5 game mission accomplished. Hell they might not make the playoffs ha. Ha ha.

[nonc]

on the bright side...nobody watches on tv...like RN and TB mentioned this team needs to jell...they are jelling..

lol :thumbsup:

[reggie]

jus like PM had his boytoy in dunfield,looks like RN has his boytoy in moore...

[mcolvy]

Poor performance by TFC, but its just too easy to put all the blame on Nelsen. How about Bradley? Or whoever the hell is out there. He has looked nothing short of average out there to be honest. He isn't playing like a DP or apparently the best midfielder in the US.... Even worse,,,,, as a playmaker he is just too predictable and useless. Sure he puts a good ball up and over every so often, but most of them just drift into the corners and become wasteful.. how about some dangerous plays within the crowded run of play through the middle? How about any type of danger happening in between our forward-midfield line. Maybe we need to change up a Oduro-Jackson wing pairing because they bring too much of the same, one needs to cut in to be more productive....

But this is on Bradley. He isn't that great folks.

[Richard]

Looks like the writing might be on the wall for Gilberto but luckily Osario is homegrown so he sticks around.

[Richard]

Any news on how far Dike is from coming back? Its going to be interesting once he does.

[reggie]

Bradley = clarkson

[Areathrasher]

The Revs lost 8 in a row and are still in the Playoff picture.

The sky isn't falling yet people.

[Pookie]

Poor performance by TFC, but its just too easy to put all the blame on Nelsen. How about Bradley? Or whoever the hell is out there. He has looked nothing short of average out there to be honest. He isn't playing like a DP or apparently the best midfielder in the US.... Even worse,,,,, as a playmaker he is just too predictable and useless. Sure he puts a good ball up and over every so often, but most of them just drift into the corners and become wasteful.. how about some dangerous plays within the crowded run of play through the middle? How about any type of danger happening in between our forward-midfield line. Maybe we need to change up a Oduro-Jackson wing pairing because they bring too much of the same, one needs to cut in to be more productive....

But this is on Bradley. He isn't that great folks.

19 games into a 6 year contract...

Fair?

[reggie]

yes they are now tied with us...shows how well we been doing...2 losses against the 2 teams ahead of us,way to get up for the big game boys.

[molenshtain]

I'm not even going to bother arguing. It seems like a significant amount of people here can only remember the most recent game and that any previous form should not be held to judge the talent of the coach. Am I often befuddled by Nelsen's choices? yeah. But he's got as playing more as a team than I can remember in our history and we are obviously better than many teams in this league. I don't belive in judging a coach midseason, especially when we're not in a particularly bad state at all. If we don't make the playoff then sure, there's no excuse. But There's no reason we can't turn this mini-slump around. The incessant need for immediate gratification by some here is a little off-putting. every team goes through slumps, I said that when we'd lost three straight to put us at 3-4-0 and everyone said that that wasn't true and that it was the end of days and we were doomed to yet again rot at the bottom of the table. I said that, when we do come of of this slump, we'll have another one later in the season, or maybe two, because EVERY SINGLE TEAM in this league goes through rough patches during the season, that is most definitely including the good ones.

But as usual, whoa is me at TFC.

[molenshtain]

The Revs lost 8 in a row and are still in the Playoff picture.

The sky isn't falling yet people.

thank you.

[Marc"2L"]

I missed the game but what the hell?

In a single sentence, what did Nelly do that was different from the last time everybody wanted him gone? I have some questions still but I'm curious to what it is about this game.

Also, writing on the wall for Ol'Gil? Same thing, what changed? Because I'm pretty sure everybody on here was fully behind him now.

[molenshtain]

I missed the game but what the hell?

In a single sentence, what did Nelly do that was different from the last time everybody wanted him gone? I have some questions still but I'm curious to what it is about this game.



Nothing. People are irrational. it was a bad game against a team that very much has its shit figured out. shit happens.

[Pint]

I missed the game but what the hell?

In a single sentence, what did Nelly do that was different from the last time everybody wanted him gone? I have some questions still but I'm curious to what it is about this game.

Also, writing on the wall for Ol'Gil? Same thing, what changed? Because I'm pretty sure everybody on here was fully behind him now.

People upset after a terrible loss, only thing to do is move onto Saturday and hope we see a better effort. Team selection could be criticized but if Oduro/Moore could have finished opportunities or Defoe had gotten the PK call team selection would not have been brought up.

[reggie]

DC with one DP and 1/3 of our budget cleaned our clock tonight..they had a huge roster turnover like us but they seem to be gelling..its coaching...

[Supporting]

I'm not even going to bother arguing. It seems like a significant amount of people here can only remember the most recent game and that any previous form should not be held to judge the talent of the coach. Am I often befuddled by Nelsen's choices? yeah. But he's got as playing more as a team than I can remember in our history and we are obviously better than many teams in this league. I don't belive in judging a coach midseason, especially when we're not in a particularly bad state at all. If we don't make the playoff then sure, there's no excuse. But There's no reason we can't turn this mini-slump around. The incessant need for immediate gratification by some here is a little off-putting. every team goes through slumps, I said that when we'd lost three straight to put us at 3-4-0 and every said that that wasn't true and that it was the end of days and we were doomed to yet again rot at the bottom of the table. I said that, when we do come of of this slump, we'll have another one later in the season, or maybe two, because EVERY SINGLE TEAM in this league goes through rough patches during the season, that is most definitely including the good ones.

But as usual, whoa is me at TFC.

+10000
also don't forget the ppl that come on here only when we're losing...

[Marc"2L"]

Nothing. People are irrational. it was a bad game against a team that very much has its shit figured out. shit happens.

Late or non existent subs?

Man, I can't wait for the World Cup to start...

[Marc"2L"]

+10000
also don't forget the ppl that come on here only when we're losing...

to be fair, when we win we tend to drink together and out, when we lose , it's alone in front of the RPB board.

[Couchy81]

I missed the game but what the hell?

In a single sentence, what did Nelly do that was different from the last time everybody wanted him gone? I have some questions still but I'm curious to what it is about this game.

Also, writing on the wall for Ol'Gil? Same thing, what changed? Because I'm pretty sure everybody on here was fully behind him now.


He made no substitutions until the game was 2-0 in the 2nd half, despite some bad play early on from Jackson and Orr. When he finally subbed Orr and moved Jackson to LB, the 3rd goal happened. Gilberto was unused again until garbage time.

[reggie]

+10000
also don't forget the ppl that come on here only when we're losing...

kinda hard not to come here when we are losing...its only been 7 yrs of losing.

[BuSaPuNk]

Just terrible finishing tonight. That non call on the clear Defoe penalty changed the game.

Doesn't excuse Orr from being completely clueless in the back, jackson for being two steps slower then the entire team in terms of passing, Bradley being non existent tonight.

Hopefully it's just one of those games and we completely turn it around Saturday against Montreal.

If we don't, were in trouble.

[molenshtain]

DC with one DP and 1/3 of our budget cleaned our clock tonight..they had a huge roster turnover like us but they seem to be jelling..its coaching...

Don't tell me that. Every single person in the beltway was calling for Olsen's head last season because of his (now tell me if this sounds familiar) negative tactics and awful team selection. Nelsen is just as good a coach as Olsen is.

[T-boy]

+10000
also don't forget the ppl that come on here only when we're losing...


to be fair, when we win we tend to drink together and out, when we lose , it's alone in front of the RPB board.

the sky definitely falls when we are away and lose!

[Pookie]

What a disappointing game. Understatement. We are hurting without Bloom and Caldwell. Gili should be starting. I am tired of Defoe gesturing and complaining every time he isn't given the ball. If we can just turn the corner and pulverize the Limpact, I'll be OK for now.

This. Re: Defoe and gesturing

Clearly frustrating for him.

But equally frustrating for guys making less in a year than he makes in a week to be called out for not making a play.

Suck it up buttercup, it ain't the EPL.

[reggie]

Don't tell me that. Every single person in the tri-state area was calling for Olsen's head last season because of his (now tell me if this sounds familiar) negative tactics and awful team selection. Nelsen is just as good a coach as Olsen is.
come on man...DC had a great yr 2 yrs ago with a nothing roster,jus like this year...what has RN done this season?? one thing DEFOE...without him...we maybe hv 3 wins this season...ya great coaching job..

[Alonso]

I'm not even going to bother arguing. It seems like a significant amount of people here can only remember the most recent game and that any previous form should not be held to judge the talent of the coach. Am I often befuddled by Nelsen's choices? yeah. But he's got as playing more as a team than I can remember in our history and we are obviously better than many teams in this league. I don't belive in judging a coach midseason, especially when we're not in a particularly bad state at all. If we don't make the playoff then sure, there's no excuse. But There's no reason we can't turn this mini-slump around. The incessant need for immediate gratification by some here is a little off-putting. every team goes through slumps, I said that when we'd lost three straight to put us at 3-4-0 and everyone said that that wasn't true and that it was the end of days and we were doomed to yet again rot at the bottom of the table. I said that, when we do come of of this slump, we'll have another one later in the season, or maybe two, because EVERY SINGLE TEAM in this league goes through rough patches during the season, that is most definitely including the good ones.

But as usual, whoa is me at TFC.



Have to agree... DCU isn't this good, LA aren't that bad.... and parrity in this league means that there are a lot of ebb and flows.

New England can attest to this as can every other team in this league.

We are on course, this seems like a slump and run of bad luck. We owned KC first half, and should have had a few more goals in that game and vs DCU today 3-0 isn't fair considering the play on the field.

Feels like the team is trying too hard to gel and making things more difficult than necessary.

The sky is not falling, this team will gel.

[Alonso]

DC with one DP and 1/3 of our budget cleaned our clock tonight..they had a huge roster turnover like us but they seem to be jelling..its coaching...


Over the course of the year DC will level back out.... they are not as good as their record, or this game shows.

[Pookie]

The Revs lost 8 in a row and are still in the Playoff picture.

The sky isn't falling yet people.

You might want to pick a better example.

The Revs have lost 8 in a row and are 3 back of TFC.

[molenshtain]

You might want to pick a better example.

The Revs have lost 8 in a row and are 3 back of TFC.

Because they were the best team in the league over their first 12.

[Marc"2L"]

Just watched the highlights-

this season was supposed to be different, and it is.

Its just not the extant of difference some of us were hoping for. I fall into that group of hoping for more. I suspect some very influential team officials do as well.
I'm pretty sure we can agree anything less than 3 points against Montreal will be reason for shelter against a falling sky.
I know I will be.

[speckles]

I understand all the rationale in the world to not panic and I actually support Nelson, think he is a reasonable coach,I get the players are mixed in this league, however this product to watch and sell commercially sucks. That will be the real cost of all of this in the end.

[cochrdoc]

A few years ago the defence was the big problem area.It seems that people do not talk about it as mutch.I still think that is our major problem even with the guys who did not play tonite.We make poor decisions,give up needless fouls and our distribution out of the back is poor.With a pay roll like we have we are a 500 team that has given up more goals then we have scored.I think this is best team TFC has fielded but it does not play well even when everyone is healthy.How many times have they shot themselves in the foot.It will be interesting if this team does not make the play-offs.They haven`t shown me that they want to

[molenshtain]

And for all of you who say Nelsen never criticises his players performances, go see his comments tonight. He knows when to call out his players and when to tell them to keep their heads high. He's not there just throwing out excuses willy-nilly.

[ManUtd4ever]

Missed the game tonight. Were we as bad as the score indicates?

This is the first time we've been blown out all season as far as I can recall.

[Oldtimer]

Statistically teams in this league lose half of their away games. #perspective.

[billyfly]

Sucks

[Still Kicking]

I think the howls from the critics have some merit. I think that Nelsen needs to feel the heat. The TFC faithful fan was pitched on a season of improvement and quality. Right now it is looking like regression and factory rejects. It is time to dig deep. Points from the next two games must be gained. Tim L. promised a new era....tonight looked like a re-run.

[molenshtain]

I think the howls from the critics have some merit. I think that Nelsen needs to feel the heat. The TFC faithful fan was pitched on a season of improvement and quality. Right now it is looking like regression and factory rejects. It is time to dig deep. Points from the next two games must be gained. Tim L. promised a new era....tonight looked like a re-run.

But in no world is it literally a regression. Tonight might have looked like it, but every single team in this league has nights like this. This season is a vast improvement, and most importantly, we're only going to get better with the assets, future cap space, and commitment from the front off we have. D.C. has none of that. But some people want to trade places on the basis of one game...

[Areathrasher]

TFC are 3 points away from matching their point total from last season. It's nearly August.

Talk of regression is a bit much.

[Hamilton_Red]

DC with one DP and 1/3 of our budget cleaned our clock tonight..they had a huge roster turnover like us but they seem to be gelling..its coaching...

This was the only team in the league last year that was worse than TFC. The turn-around has been remarkable for them & shows how inept TFC has been in 7 previous years. Our current point total would have us in 2nd last in the West - lucky to be in the weaker East. Could you imagine where we would be without Defoe? Has there really been fundamental change or just a big DP wedge been thrown at the problem?

[ag futbol]

Statistically teams in this league lose half of their away games. #perspective.
Not a meaningful stat, unless our goal is to be an average team while spending top of the league on payroll. That run of form would also equate to being on the edge of making the playoffs or not.

[habstfc]

I think the scoreline is very flattering to DCU, TFC were the better team in the first half. If Oduro or Moore score on their chances in the first half or that blatant PK is called on Defoe getting grabbed we probably win that game. The dynamic of the game totally changes. I'm not willing to hit the panic button just yet. I do however think if we lose against the Impact Nelsen will be gone.

Two things I don't want to see in Montreal. Warner or Moore starting. Osorio partnered with Bradley and Gilberto playing under Defoe is whats needed.

[habstfc]

This was the only team in the league last year that was worse than TFC. The turn-around has been remarkable for them & shows how inept TFC has been in 7 previous years. Our current point total would have us in 2nd last in the West - lucky to be in the weaker East. Could you imagine where we would be without Defoe? Has there really been fundamental change or just a big DP wedge been thrown at the problem?Dwyer in SKC, Keane in LA, BWP in NY, Dempsey in Seattle. Where would they be?

[OgtheDim]

Seattle blew a tire against LAG on the weekend.

These things happen.

Thin on defence, needs to get fixed.

[OgtheDim]

Missed the game tonight. Were we as bad as the score indicates? .


No. The defence had a few brain farts and DCU made us pay. The offence purred around and shoulda scored. The DCU broadcast team really enjoyed our go go go offence. A neutral would have enjoyed that game into about the 70th minute.

[Pookie]

Michael Bradley publicly criticizes officials and 4 days later TFC doesn't get the benefit of a PK call? #correlated?

[Pookie]

TFC are 3 points away from matching their point total from last season. It's nearly August.

Talk of regression is a bit much.

Regression is indeed a bit much but champagne shouldn't be on ice.

They have matched the 2009 results through 19 games at 7-7-5. Preki's 2010 team was also at 7-7-5. Few points better than Carver's 2008 team at 6-8-5.

Only difference is 4x the payroll.

#slowclap

[v00d00daddy]

Michael Bradley publicly criticizes officials and 4 days later TFC doesn't get the benefit of a PK call? #correlated?

Thank you for bringing that up. I avoided it but totally wondered. Lol

[v00d00daddy]

We looked ok in the first half but that doesn't excuse this stuff:

Down a goal...no substitution (with Gilberto and Osorio on the bench)

Go down a second goal and the first sub is Orr out for Lovitz?

Then Oduro out for Osorio.

Then go down a third and Defoe out for Gilberto.

I'm sorry but that's just poor choices.

Nelsen can call out his players on their poor performances if he wants but someone needs to call him out. He needs to be asked by the media what he was trying to do and why those choices were made.

I have a hard time stomaching that our two most technically gifted players (in terms of vision and moving the ball) in Osorio and Gilberto have been turned in to substitute players who don't get to come on until the game is almost over.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Orr had a nightmare but he wasn't alone. He was first, though. He's been a goat a couple games already and this last one put him on a chopping block for me. These games without Caldwell meant the veteran could step up but instead has floundered.

Jackson I understand may have got his confidence rocked but to give up on the defensive side of his game this match when we were hurting in the back was so irresponsible.

Not a great start for Creavalle. Why I saw more of him up top and Dom doing his job at the back is ridiculous. I know they both have speed to burn, I know an overlap can be useful but they have a long way to go.

Oduro and later Moore had absolute gimme's that were botched. I find it incredible that Gilberto is a common call for an earlier substitution. One thing the team was doing well was getting chances so close to goal.

My opinion on the subs is Orr and Jackson off sooner but Oduro was a run away from getting Krom carded. If he and Creavalle could've sorted that right side out sooner Korb would've been the weak link the announcer were calling for at the start.

I can't say I like Defoe's pointing all the time but I also don't think it actually affects his output. Bradley on the other hand got frustrated and it had a double effect: He got more bullheaded on challenges (great. more please) but he got lumpy with the ball and as a fellow member down at Joe's quipped "The box is lava". Please Bradley just take the shot at the top of the box.

Disappointing match, no doubt, but I won't hit the panic button till late Sat.

[zamperina]

RN coaching style is holding this team back, he's had 1½ years on the job training and hasn't learned a thing. What really irks me is that he doesn't rate Gilberto and if traded he could become the next Urruti who by coincidence was also not rated by said coach.

[Phil]

It was a bad game and we have had a lack of proper finishing for a while now. Every team in the MLS has to suffer through a streak like this, lets hope it ends soon and we get back to winning ways.

[Canary10]

Regression is indeed a bit much but champagne shouldn't be on ice.

They have matched the 2009 results through 19 games at 7-7-5. Preki's 2010 team was also at 7-7-5. Few points better than Carver's 2008 team at 6-8-5.

Only difference is 4x the payroll.

#slowclap

Why does the money matter?

[Canary10]

RN coaching style is holding this team back, he's had 1½ years on the job training and hasn't learned a thing. What really irks me is that he doesn't rate Gilberto and if traded he could become the next Urruti who by coincidence was also not rated by said coach.

Gilberto has fully earned his bench time.

[brad]

I think the scoreline is very flattering to DCU, TFC were the better team in the first half. If Oduro or Moore score on their chances in the first half or that blatant PK is called on Defoe getting grabbed we probably win that game. The dynamic of the game totally changes. I'm not willing to hit the panic button just yet. I do however think if we lose against the Impact Nelsen will be gone.

Two things I don't want to see in Montreal. Warner or Moore starting. Osorio partnered with Bradley and Gilberto playing under Defoe is whats needed.

Missing 3 CB's certainly played a factor as well.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Why does the money matter?


Gilberto has fully earned his bench time.

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/4637/1290116129758.jpg


http://media.thedailytouch.com/2014/03/slow-clap.gif

Somebody has some fire in his coffee today!

[jabbronies]

Gilberto has fully earned his bench time.

I think it's time to start Gilberto. We've had 4 games without a win. Time to shake things up. This is his chance to show his quality and pull the team out of this funk.

Nelsen is also in a jam right now with the loss of Caldwell and Bloom. In their absence I'd say we've lost that defensive game that has gotten us points in the past.

Bez better be looking for a starting CB right now. Bleeding goals the way we did last night doesn't help on those days that we can't seem to find the back of the net.

[Detroit_TFC]

I don't know about everyone else but I'm in a very bad place today after that game. Am I overreacting?

[brad]

Seattle blew a tire against LAG on the weekend.

These things happen.

Thin on defence, needs to get fixed.

The one thing that worries me is that we are sliding defensively. People have pointed towards Defoe's goals carrying us (and obviously they playing big role), but were ignoring that fact that we were one of the best teams defensively in the league. When I last saw the numbers (around the beginning of the WC I think), we had the second or third best goals against per game in the league (and we were only a goal or two out of top spot).

I just checked now, and we are 11th for goals against/game. That is troublesome...

[Detroit_TFC]

I think it's time to start Gilberto. We've had 4 games without a win. Time to shake things up. This is his chance to show his quality and pull the team out of this funk.

Nelsen is also in a jam right now with the loss of Caldwell and Bloom. In their absence I'd say we've lost that defensive game that has gotten us points in the past.

Bez better be looking for a starting CB right now. Bleeding goals the way we did last night doesn't help on those days that we can't seem to find the back of the net.

Or maybe playing Bradley as a DM?

[Oldtimer]

Not a meaningful stat, unless our goal is to be an average team while spending top of the league on payroll. That run of form would also equate to being on the edge of making the playoffs or not.

A lot of the pieces are still not yet in place for this team, that will take a while.

Anyways, we only have to be "average" to make the playoffs. What's amazing is that TFC was so mismanaged in the past that the team was never even average. Even random chance would have expected that the team would have made the playoffs at least once.

[Canary10]

The one thing that worries me is that we are sliding defensively. People have pointed towards Defoe's goals carrying us (and obviously they playing big role), but were ignoring that fact that we were one of the best teams defensively in the league. When I last saw the numbers (around the beginning of the WC I think), we had the second or third best goals against per game in the league (and we were only a goal or two out of top spot).

I just checked now, and we are 11th for goals against/game. That is troublesome...

Yeah that is a big worry. We've gotten away from what won us games early on. Injuries aren't helping, and all those people who said Caldwell isn't worth his salary should be looking in the mirror now. But we have loosened at the back as part of a tactical shift I think.

[jabbronies]

You can blame the manager, but he only amounts to 50% of the blame.

Re-watch that first goal and tell me why only one player in TFC red attacked the ball or put pressure on any of the DC players moving the ball up the pitch. That second goal was just piss poor defending, not questions about it at all.
I realize Hagglund is a kid, but he heads the 3rd goal over the goalie and into the back of his own net. Anyone who says that was his only option is crazy. he could've held the ball up for a split second with his body and then booted it out to his right. he chose the awkward header instead. Rookie mistake, but not something you can blame the manager on.

DC were just cutting through the middle of the park all night. Bullying our defence.

As for our strikers - you don't win games by not scoring. They had their chances - very good chances - and couldn't score.It's not like we weren't creating chances. We just couldn't finish.

[reggie]

Yeah that is a big worry. We've gotten away from what won us games early on. Injuries aren't helping, and all those people who said Caldwell isn't worth his salary should be looking in the mirror now. But we have loosened at the back as part of a tactical shift I think.

yes they miss him... but he was making some mistakes before he got injured,i still don't think he is worth dp type money,but I would take him now over orr..

[Donald Duck]

Few things I want to mention from yesterday game
1.) Oduro is tired like hell. I just don't get it why RN put him on the lineup vs Spurs game
2.) Hagglund is totally overrated. How many mistakes he made in the last few games? (he fucked it up in the home game vs DC too)
3.) Creavalle should not play as RB. He just join the team and we can see he is total out of his position in last night game. When I saw the starting lineup, my mind just went WTF is RN thinking? give Morgan a chance. He played well in Spurs game and deserve some minutes.

[OgtheDim]

Funny, but it was Morrow and Jackson that DCU was attacking all the time.

That and I'm not sure Morgan or Morrow can play RB.

[Canary10]

I think it's time to start Gilberto. We've had 4 games without a win. Time to shake things up. This is his chance to show his quality and pull the team out of this funk.

Nelsen is also in a jam right now with the loss of Caldwell and Bloom. In their absence I'd say we've lost that defensive game that has gotten us points in the past.

Bez better be looking for a starting CB right now. Bleeding goals the way we did last night doesn't help on those days that we can't seem to find the back of the net.

I agree with this. They need a shake up. Give him a shot.

[v00d00daddy]

I think Caldwell would have prevented some of the goals against and caused a bunch of different goals against so it's no difference.

Caldwell was getting away with all kinds of borderline plays all season and with the way the officiating has gone lately….and Bradley making it an even bigger issue….Caldwell would not have been getting away with his fouls and handballs.

When he comes back we will be no better. We need to be better in the middle of the field and Nelsen doesn't seem to agree. That's where we're worse than most teams….and thats even with one of the most expensive players in the league in Bradley. (who I like)

[molenshtain]

At this point, with Caldwell's age and declining performance and likelyhood to continue to get injured we need another CB before the window closes. Someone to take Caldwell's role from last, a force in the defence and a guiding hand for Henry and Hagglund. Caldwell retires at the latest by the end of next season. we need another #1 veteran CB to take over the mantle until Henry and Hagglund can do it themselves.

Too bad, I wished we'd had Caldwell earlier in his career. great character and a stand-up guy.

[Ultra & Proud]

Back line is leaking goals now and until we get healthy, this will probably continue.

As for going forward, Moore out and Gil in should help fix a few issues. It's true that Oduro and Jackson look to (and often do) beat their men down the flanks but often keep the balls to themselves and ignore Defoe. They also blow a lot of chances. A lot of those two ignoring Defoe is that he is usually heavily marked in front of goal while Moore is ignored. For a big guy Moore is often playing too far from goal and hasn't shown he has a touch that can provide anything other than garbage goals, which all of his so far were. Easiest thing to try is to put Gilberto behind Defoe and let him float free. As it works now he should be free when we are on the break and he has a better potential to score than Moore regardless of their numbers right now. He starts getting too many touches and decent chances, converted or not, then a defender will have to pull away to mark him and possibly free Defoe up a bit more.

[ag futbol]

2.) Hagglund is totally overrated. How many mistakes he made in the last few games? (he fucked it up in the home game vs DC too)

He's a rookie defender. Some got ahead of themselves saying he was close to Henry's level. He's better going forward but years away from being able to defend half as well as Doniel does. Realistically: he should be 4th on the depth chart. Good enough if someone solid is next to him.

Now is the perfect opportunity to bring in a ball playing CB. We need better distribution back there and an otherwise steady presence.

[ryan]

I may have been the only one, but was anyone else watching last night's match on the US feed?


HOLY. MOTHER. OF. FUCK.

It's crystal fucking clear why they can't get people to watch MLS on TV, that was the most horrendous display of televised sport I've ever seen in my life.

-You have 2 dipshit announcers that are far better suited to Baseball, making mindnumbingly terrible comments about absolutely nothing for the most part. They contributing meager play by play at best, not adding any value...just taking away from the experience overall. Did not take me long to mute that garbage and put on music.
-A sideline reporter they cut to at least 4 times during the match. I mean WHAT THE FUCK? Mid match, TWICE during goal scoring opportunities and I got a box-in-box picture of some annoying dipshit in a suit talking to a goalkeeping coach?
-Constant jarring camera view changes, like you're watching the NHL. Sometimes the normal view, then flips into the corner, then the "Powerplay Cam" above the net. Holy fuck balls is that so wretched, so distracting, very hard to follow the play.
-Big graphical camera swipes and other TV nonsense, it's just silly. STOP IT. THIS IS NOT AMERICAN SPORT, STOP BROADCASTING IT LIKE AMERICAN SPORT.

Watching footie is akin to throwing on your favourite album, you just want to tune in and be left undisturbed from start to finish. Disruptions are agony. This broadcast is NOTHING BUT DISRUPTIONS AND ANNOYANCE.

I really don't understand what the fuck MLS thinks it's doing here. You had record viewership in the US watching the World Cup, which of course, broadcasts footie in simple straightforward manner we all prefer (much like the most watched leagues, which sure as fuck aint ever going to be MLS at this rate). Yet they feel they need to have this Americanized fuckery which absolutely makes it utterly unbearable to watch.

I was literally pleased once DC went up 3, so I could turn that shit off and stop hating my life.

If MLS is too blind to see this absolutely massive problem they have with their TV presentation, they deserve to continue to have the putrid viewership ratings they get. Get on the god damn phone with the networks, fix this fucking mess TODAY.


/endrant

[OgtheDim]

Sportsnet were a LOT worse.

Agree with the sideline interviews - do the coach at the beginning of the second half or the end of the first.

The camera angle from behind the net thing actually worked for me.

I though those two guys were relatively knowledgeable and were not as homerish as we usually get in the US - although the whole attempt to create a signature line ("Its in the NET (2x repeat)") thing is pathetic.

You want to see bad - watch Dallas - ugh.

[Supporting]

Sportsnet were a LOT worse.

Agree with the sideline interviews - do the coach at the beginning of the second half or the end of the first.

The camera angle from behind the net thing actually worked for me.

I though those two guys were relatively knowledgeable and were not as homerish as we usually get in the US - although the whole attempt to create a signature line ("Its in the NET (2x repeat)") thing is pathetic.

You want to see bad - watch Dallas - ugh.

haha how was sportsnet bad...? It was perfectly fine, camera seemed farther away than bmo, but that's probably cause of the larger stadium.