Is Derosario done?

[MKR]

I thought the yesterday's game was perfect for Dero to come in (I would have brought on both Dero and Gilberto for that matter). Honestly i can't even remember the last time he played. Was it against Columbus?

Does anyone know something about this situation that i don't?

[WestStandGeoff]

Maybe there was a plan for him to come in, but that got derailed when Bloom got hurt and Hagglund needed to come in for him? He was on the bench, and it seems odd that Nelsen would take up a bench spot for someone injured and/or unproductive.

[Borga]

I think DeRo must be fourth on the striker depth chart behind Defoe, Moore and Gilberto. Has to be ticking him off. I don't get the Moore appeal, personally. I'd sooner see Defoe and Gilberto start with DeRo getting some minutes off the bench.

[Abou Sky]

Believe me, I really like Moore, I had a good feeling about him when we got him and think I was right.

That said, I think that he would be more useful coming on for Gilberto instead of vice versa, but I don't know what Gilberto's health is like.

[ManUtd4ever]

DeRo can still strike the ball with some authority, but his speed and agility have diminished considerably. He is a late game sub at best, but with our depth at the striker position, and Dike on the mend, I don't envision him getting much playing time.

[Cas87]

I remember he had something nagging him earlier in the year but he should be okay now.

I have a feeling we will see him in Houston for a little bit of time and more than likely the friendly against Tottenham (just to see if he can go 90 minutes, despite it just being a friendly).

[Cashcleaner]

DeRo can still strike the ball with some authority, but his speed and agility have diminished considerably. He is a late game sub at best, but with our depth at the striker position, and Dike on the mend, I don't envision him getting much playing time.

And that's ok. He's not breaking the bank on our payroll and just may have some valuable MLS experience and insight he can pass on to the younger guys on the roster. Who knows, maybe his long-term plan is to get into coaching and intends to develop that new path with TFC?

[CommradePolski]

Dero will appear in houston because of his appeal to those fans I would bet.

[Shakes McQueen]

DeRo can still strike the ball with some authority, but his speed and agility have diminished considerably. He is a late game sub at best, but with our depth at the striker position, and Dike on the mend, I don't envision him getting much playing time.

Same. DeRo has seriously lost a step, and I suspect that's just as responsible for him being semi-glued to the bench.

Nothing wrong with that, as he's not a young man any more, but it is what it is. I think we see him possibly play 90 against Spurs, simply as a test for his endurance, and because wearing him out in a friendly makes more sense than wearing out a starter.

Bringing DeRo back, for me, was always more of a "feel good story" than a seriously impactful football transaction.

[Pookie]

MCL injury last year was a killer but his numbers were on a steady decline prior to that. It's just a fact of life. We all get older, lose a step.

I was really disappointed not to see him get minutes at home against DC.

[ensco]

Seems like yesterday that a thread questioning Dero could generate 10 posts in 12 seconds. Now he can't generate 10 posts in 12 hours.

[TFCknw]

That's because there are only about 20 people who actually post on this message board now.

[Shakes McQueen]

That's because there are only about 20 people who actually post on this message board now.

Suspect it has more to do with the fact that the "DeRo Drama" is finally behind us, and there isn't much to say about his play for us this season. The guy is a sub.

[jabbronies]

Dero had speed and that was why he was as good as he was. But without that speed he needed to change his game to adapt - which he has not done. This will be his demise.

[portu]

Personally I think DeRo should get more time as a sub. It's so obviously clear that he's 4th on the depth chart but when we're playing 2 games a week he should be getting at least 35 minutes.

Yesterday it should have been Defoe and Gilberto up top with DeRo off the bench. Moore DOES NOT have the legs to go 135 minutes straight

[Derko]

Maybe he will get some time in Houston tomorrow

[OfficeGuy]

Same. DeRo has seriously lost a step, and I suspect that's just as responsible for him being semi-glued to the bench.

Nothing wrong with that, as he's not a young man any more, but it is what it is. I think we see him possibly play 90 against Spurs, simply as a test for his endurance, and because wearing him out in a friendly makes more sense than wearing out a starter.

Bringing DeRo back, for me, was always more of a "feel good story" than a seriously impactful football transaction.


well stated ..... x2

[gate7]

somehow i feel a sense of security when he's around.....also i believe he still has some distracting influence on the opposing players. kinda keeps them chasing till the clock runs out.

[BuSaPuNk]

"At #Italy vs #Portugal Legends game & the crowd is far louder than our games. We need to get some of these fans out. Love the passion"

DeRo tweet tonight......

jeez.

[molenshtain]

"At #Italy vs #Portugal Legends game & the crowd is far louder than our games. We need to get some of these fans out. Love the passion"

DeRo tweet tonight......

jeez.


Maybe he shouldn't have let his team become a calamitous clusterfuck in his two years here before that ended up with half of our great supporters leaving. Fuck off.

[Pookie]

"At #Italy vs #Portugal Legends game & the crowd is far louder than our games. We need to get some of these fans out. Love the passion"

DeRo tweet tonight......

jeez.

Jeez but he has a point.

Lots of casual fans now that want to be "entertained." Grassroots was seriously neglected and a lot left.

Very big issue for the club going forward. They boosted numbers up for the Defoe-show. Can they convert that casual interest into passion.

Still DeRo... as honest and true as it is... did you have to say it? What is there to gain by putting that out there?

[Pint]

"At #Italy vs #Portugal Legends game & the crowd is far louder than our games. We need to get some of these fans out. Love the passion"

DeRo tweet tonight......

jeez.

wow just wow... pumping up the people who think they are too good to watch the league he plays in

[reggie]

Jeez but he has a point.

Lots of casual fans now that want to be "entertained." Grassroots was seriously neglected.

Very big issue for the club going forward. They boosted numbers up for the Defoe-show. Can they convert that casual interest into passion.

Still DeRo... as honest and true as it is... did you have to say it?

first time I hv ever agreed with you pookieg:Di have diff fans in my section every game and they have no clue...they show up 10 min late and leave 10 min early.i had a fan walk in front of me during the pk last game.the atmosphere has been average this season.

[flamehawk]

There's definitely a huge difference between this season and the early days. I really miss the atmosphere from the first season. Performance was utter shit, but the atmosphere really made up for it ... god forbid, there are times where I wondered if I was willing to have a return to how shitty the team used to be in exchange for that atmosphere. Remember the days when Toronto was famous for its atmosphere to the point where every single post-match interview revolved around questions like "what does it feel like to play in front of these fans?" We hardly get crowd noise/excitement in response to an offensive build up nowadays.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFnMxppiVI

[BuSaPuNk]

Jeez but he has a point.

Lots of casual fans now that want to be "entertained." Grassroots was seriously neglected and a lot left.

Very big issue for the club going forward. They boosted numbers up for the Defoe-show. Can they convert that casual interest into passion.

Still DeRo... as honest and true as it is... did you have to say it? What is there to gain by putting that out there?

That's the big question can these newer fans find a spot in support? Or are they just the flash in the pan fans.


wow just wow... pumping up the people who think they are too good to watch the league he plays in

Completely agree. Seen a picture of the stands during the game and the entire upper deck of the west stand was empty. Handful of people in one section. I don't thinking was as loud as he claims it was.


first time I hv ever agreed with you pookieg:Di have diff fans in my section every game and they have no clue...they show up 10 min late and leave 10 min early.i had a fan walk in front of me during the pk last game.the atmosphere has been average this season.

This has been an ongoing issue since day one. Lets not pretend that it was prevalent in the early years. People see the game as the cool place to be. So they'll bring there friends get pissed at the game and say what an amazing time it was. Unfortunately this happens far too often.

I wish there was a full episode of All For One that just followed our groups during a game. Show the casual fan what we do and how much fun it is to do what we do. Its funny that I still have to explain to people that the groups do all this on our own. They seem to think that the club runs the banners and such.

But this the problem with a league that support is just coming into its own. its a learning process for everyone. We should be on the front foot of bringing these people into the fold and showing them what we offer and how rewarding it is to do what we do.

[Pint]

That's the big question can these newer fans find a spot in support? Or are they just the flash in the pan fans.



Completely agree. Seen a picture of the stands during the game and the entire upper deck of the west stand was empty. Handful of people in one section. I don't thinking was as loud as he claims it was.



This has been an ongoing issue since day one. Lets not pretend that it was prevalent in the early years. People see the game as the cool place to be. So they'll bring there friends get pissed at the game and say what an amazing time it was. Unfortunately this happens far too often.

I wish there was a full episode of All For One that just followed our groups during a game. Show the casual fan what we do and how much fun it is to do what we do. Its funny that I still have to explain to people that the groups do all this on our own. They seem to think that the club runs the banners and such.

But this the problem with a league that support is just coming into its own. its a learning process for everyone. We should be on the front foot of bringing these people into the fold and showing them what we offer and how rewarding it is to do what we do.

So much this... I've been tossing around the idea of a "day in the life of a supporter" video (from waking up hungover in burlington through pregame/setup of section and drumming chanting etc). I just have no technical skills to pull something like that off

[BuSaPuNk]

So much this... I've been tossing around the idea of a "day in the life of a supporter" video (from waking up hungover in burlington through pregame/setup of section and drumming chanting etc). I just have no technical skills to pull something like that off

I've been thinking the same. We should really start getting something like this together .

[Adley159]

That's the big question can these newer fans find a spot in support? Or are they just the flash in the pan fans.



Completely agree. Seen a picture of the stands during the game and the entire upper deck of the west stand was empty. Handful of people in one section. I don't thinking was as loud as he claims it was.



This has been an ongoing issue since day one. Lets not pretend that it was prevalent in the early years. People see the game as the cool place to be. So they'll bring there friends get pissed at the game and say what an amazing time it was. Unfortunately this happens far too often.

I wish there was a full episode of All For One that just followed our groups during a game. Show the casual fan what we do and how much fun it is to do what we do. Its funny that I still have to explain to people that the groups do all this on our own. They seem to think that the club runs the banners and such.

But this the problem with a league that support is just coming into its own. its a learning process for everyone. We should be on the front foot of bringing these people into the fold and showing them what we offer and how rewarding it is to do what we do.

I am totally agree with you. You are 100% good here that this the problem with a league that support is just coming into its own. its a learning process (http://www.urban.domains/) for everyone.

[Cashcleaner]

I've been thinking the same. We should really start getting something like this together .

I like this idea!

And if I could make a suggestion, maybe feature 3 or so different people and get a broader perspective of the supporters as a whole. Would be good to see a larger cross-section of RPBers.

[Hamilton_Red]

You'll drive yourself mad comparing MlS to teams that have existed for 100+ years and have been supported by families for generaltions. Also I think its easy to confuse cheering and supporting to being a football fan. In the early days of #TFC the thing was being a fan and cheering etc....very little football to appreciate. Real fans of the sport in Toronto in 2007 were watching the U20 World Cup - yes that was Aguero winning a World Cup Final...in Toronto. The club and MLS is finally making some progress to being of sufficent quality. Atmosphere has to be earned it's not a switch that can be just turned on and off - MLSE almost blew it entirely. A huge portion of TFC fans are already from immigrant loving football places...just need to broaden it a bit. Seems a bit precious to me to be getting offended by Dero's comment.

BTW how about the club offering a special rate for kids registered in the OSA?

[Phil]

I think Dero got caught in the twitter trap of 140 characters. Its hard to explain things well with those restraints.

As always I give the dude the benefit of the doubt and hope to see him play a bigger role for our team on the pitch.

[Fort York Redcoat]

So much this... I've been tossing around the idea of a "day in the life of a supporter" video (from waking up hungover in burlington through pregame/setup of section and drumming chanting etc). I just have no technical skills to pull something like that off

Damn, Son. They couldn't keep up with me on Matchday:driving:*



*There's no bike emoji. That there is a problem.

[Fort York Redcoat]

There's definitely a huge difference between this season and the early days. I really miss the atmosphere from the first season. Performance was utter shit, but the atmosphere really made up for it ... god forbid, there are times where I wondered if I was willing to have a return to how shitty the team used to be in exchange for that atmosphere. Remember the days when Toronto was famous for its atmosphere to the point where every single post-match interview revolved around questions like "what does it feel like to play in front of these fans?" We hardly get crowd noise/excitement in response to an offensive build up nowadays.

The team stayed almost as shitty. That's why the fans stopped singing, stopped coming. Nice to see some back but we'll never unpop that first year cherry, bud.

[jabbronies]

There's definitely a huge difference between this season and the early days. I really miss the atmosphere from the first season. Performance was utter shit, but the atmosphere really made up for it ... god forbid, there are times where I wondered if I was willing to have a return to how shitty the team used to be in exchange for that atmosphere. Remember the days when Toronto was famous for its atmosphere to the point where every single post-match interview revolved around questions like "what does it feel like to play in front of these fans?" We hardly get crowd noise/excitement in response to an offensive build up nowadays.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmFnMxppiVI


It's funny that you posted this video with that particular song.
This was literally our first home game - before all the supporter politics took hold of the stadium. It was fun back then. people were not fighting for control over sections. As for that song: it was shit upon by many supporters for not being a supporters chant and was very quickly squashed anytime it was heard.

Now a days you have a bunch of groups and splinter groups that are more concerned with who leads the supporter rather than just supporting and having fun. There seems to be more issues than solutions and more problems not related to the actual match.

Everyone blames TFC for fucking the environment, but supporters also played a big role in fucking the support as well.

Last nights game may have been louder because supporter politics don't exist at games like that. Its a more laxed environment where people feel they can do what they want. It may not be as "organized" as TFC matches, but it could very well have been louder as more people feel inclined to make their voices heard.

Good on Dero for pointing that out.

[Wagner]

I thought DeRo was a big part of the May 31 KKKrew game.
I think he can contribute.
Admittedly, i'm a big DeRo fan.

I think he could contribute as a late super sub.
75th minute, when we need some scoring.
it wasn't that long ago that he was the league MVP

[Borga]

Sayeth Dwayne later last night:

Apologies that tweet was not to offend our fans that cheer for us 90+ min. was more to motivate the others. U know I respect our die hards!

[Voodooman]

So much this... I've been tossing around the idea of a "day in the life of a supporter" video (from waking up hungover in burlington through pregame/setup of section and drumming chanting etc). I just have no technical skills to pull something like that off

Funniest thing is that I was talking about that with some of the other RPBs at the recording studio. Im surprised there isn't anything going into video from our banner sessions, to pre-post game. If people see what we do, they will be more likely to want to join in because it seems fo much fun. I think that the TFC PR should have thought of that when they made the episodes really, ebcause I feel like we are an integral part to the TFC game.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Sayeth Dwayne later last night:

Apologies that tweet was not to offend our fans that cheer for us 90+ min. was more to motivate the others. U know I respect our die hards!

Incoming Bruce Willis tifo

[Super]

The atmosphere will improve once we have a roof. You need the entire stadium to basically go bananas for 90 minutes in order to have a decent atmosphere - just because of the lack of roof. That happened in the first couple of years, but the honeymoon period is long gone, and now we need a roof to be on level with other MLS teams. We certainly aren't even close to Seattle, Portland. When I watch our games on TV post-match, I have to say that the atmosphere pretty much sucks. It sounds pretty quiet throughout the game. Even when the south-end is "bringing it" it's hard to make out what they're singing. That's where the roof will come to our rescue and help bring back the great atmosphere of year 1 and 2. Certainly it will sound a lot better on TV.

[Huyton]

Incoming Bruce Willis tifo

So, "A Good Day to Play Hard" with Bradley instead of Bruce Willis?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjYVBPUCYAAC-Ul.jpg

[Fort York Redcoat]

So, "A Good Day to Play Hard" with Bradley instead of Bruce Willis?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjYVBPUCYAAC-Ul.jpg


Amazing!!

[Red4ever]

wow just wow... pumping up the people who think they are too good to watch the league he plays in

This is exactly it. Do a little thinking DeRo. Why have you never heard that passion before? Cause these "passionate fans" stay the fuck home. Or they do show up and are quiet.

I don't even take offence at the tweet cause he obviously wasn't talking about the people who bust their ass to keep this group going, I take offence that he gives credit to this pocket of dipshits that don't deserve it in the slightest.

[hulkrogan]

DeRo was at a game that he found loud.

He thought, "boy it would be fun if our games were this loud!".

He then tweeted it. No biggie.

He doesn't come on here getting all pissy that people are suggesting he may be "done".

No need to get over sensitive about these things. Go to the next home game and change his mind with loud voices.

[Ivy]

I'm still trying to understand what people are seeing in that tweet that suggests he had good intentions or whatever? In those two tweets he basically said "yah we have the fans that sing for 90+ minutes, but these fans here are better". He's talking about the same people that sang the Dero song during the Bradley and Defoe unveil.

If I was a season ticket holder that pays like 2grand a year to watch the team, and a player that doesn't see the pitch called me out, id be furious.

That being said, this is another one of those dero fan vs. Non dero fan arguments.

Nelsen says Miller should be made to pay double - everybody flips out.
Payne says "get used to it" - everybody flips. (Pretty sure tshirts were made)
Dero says Italy vs Portugal fans are better than TFC fans - "mah, it's true"

:facepalm:

[Fort York Redcoat]

I'm still trying to understand what people are seeing in that tweet that suggests he had good intentions or whatever? In those two tweets he basically said "yah we have the fans that sing for 90+ minutes, but these fans here are better". He's talking about the same people that sang the Dero song during the Bradley and Defoe unveil.

If I was a season ticket holder that pays like 2grand a year to watch the team, and a player that doesn't see the pitch called me out, id be furious.

That being said, this is another one of those dero fan vs. Non dero fan arguments.

Nelsen says Miller should be made to pay double - everybody flips out.
Payne says "get used to it" - everybody flips. (Pretty sure tshirts were made)
Dero says Italy vs Portugal fans are better than TFC fans - "mah, it's true"

:facepalm:

Those are tweets, dude. They aren't worth much to begin with but the fact that everyone tweeting that way are tweeting on DeRo's it means you're going to get his defenders on there. They are not the majority who DeRo called "die hards". That would be people here.

[Red4ever]

Fuck Dero. I'm seriously done defending the guy if he big ups the people who go to an Italy v Portugal legends game and hails them as loud.

I'd wager every dollar in my pocket it's the exact same crowd that would snicker at the thought of TFC being in a "champions league" tournament, who you couldn't pay to attend a Canada WCQ.

What he should have said was "hey assholes that dragged themselves to a meaningless game full of wash ups an sang their hearts out, how about doing that in a game that actually matters"

[T-boy]

Seems like the ones that are being offended by DeRo's tweet are the ones who make the most noise in the stadium anyways - clearly he's not talking about you guys! Absolutely no need to get offended at all!

But the fact remains of the 22k people who go to TFC games, a TINY minority are making the majority of noise. In the end of the day "football chanting" just isn't a natural thing for most people going to TFC games. 113/112/111 do a great job with the noise, but a few seats away its like a morgue. And that's not offensive to anything in U-Section or RPB's, unfortunately its just a fact.

[Ivy]

^ that's not the point...
If you're a TFC player, stand behind your fans. Chivas players say they have the best fans in the league. DCU players stand behind theirs. Dero needs to do the same, or stfu. That's all I'm saying.

He he made us look bad to anyone who read the tweet and isn't a TFC supporter.

Im not offended, just disappointed.

[Pookie]

Are people offended because he said it or because it is true?

I question why he said it... mainly because it gets him nothing other than ill will. But if he wants to say it, I really don't care. It's his prerogative and it is true.

BMO is a hop skip and a jump away from "Make Some Noise" prompts on the scoreboard.

[ensco]

Many (most?) of the original diehards feel about TFC the way they would a girlfriend or wife who cheated on them. You can have some great days, but it's not the same. It'll be many years before it can be the same.

That's what Dero sees (hears?), and that is what I see. For those seeing he caused the problem, cmon. His antics were really not the problem, just a run-of-the-mill salary dispute. It was the way our love for the team was used/abused by previous ownership, over and over again, that was the problem.

I don't know why it would sting to have this pointed out if you are one of the ones making noise, you should be doing it for yourself, really, how anyone else reacts to it isn't that important, is it? Not looking to make a big point, just asking.

[gate7]

I think Dero got caught in the twitter trap of 140 characters. Its hard to explain things well with those restraints.

As always I give the dude the benefit of the doubt and hope to see him play a bigger role for our team on the pitch.

+1 ..........and.....

[gate7]

The team stayed almost as shitty. That's why the fans stopped singing, stopped coming. Nice to see some back but we'll never unpop that first year cherry, bud.

....+1 again....!!!!

[gate7]

I'm still trying to understand what people are seeing in that tweet that suggests he had good intentions or whatever? In those two tweets he basically said "yah we have the fans that sing for 90+ minutes, but these fans here are better". He's talking about the same people that sang the Dero song during the Bradley and Defoe unveil.

If I was a season ticket holder that pays like 2grand a year to watch the team, and a player that doesn't see the pitch called me out, id be furious.

That being said, this is another one of those dero fan vs. Non dero fan arguments.

Nelsen says Miller should be made to pay double - everybody flips out.
Payne says "get used to it" - everybody flips. (Pretty sure tshirts were made)
Dero says Italy vs Portugal fans are better than TFC fans - "mah, it's true"

:facepalm:

oh and dont forget Anselmi "supply and demand"

[Ivy]

Are people offended because he said it or because it is true?

I question why he said it... mainly because it gets him nothing other than ill will. But if he wants to say it, I really don't care. It's his prerogative and it is true.

BMO is a hop skip and a jump away from "Make Some Noise" prompts on the scoreboard.
It's not his place to say it. If a reporter or journalist said it, I wouldn't care. A player is not allowed to criticize the team, it's owners, or sponsors. The players should also not talk negatively about the supporters, publicly.

[BuSaPuNk]

Are people offended because he said it or because it is true?

I question why he said it... mainly because it gets him nothing other than ill will. But if he wants to say it, I really don't care. It's his prerogative and it is true.

BMO is a hop skip and a jump away from "Make Some Noise" prompts on the scoreboard.

I don't know about that. Have you been in the bunker this season? We've been pretty good all year. Yeah there's been some blips but your going to have those till people start to realize this isn't your MoJO TFC.

We will continue to get better and the more results get better and we continue to climb towards a payoff birth the place will become a fortress again.

[flamehawk]

I don't know about that. Have you been in the bunker this season? We've been pretty good all year. Yeah there's been some blips but your going to have those till people start to realize this isn't your MoJO TFC.

We will continue to get better and the more results get better and we continue to climb towards a payoff birth the place will become a fortress again.

Well, as Dero clarified with his second tweet, I think he was more referring to the rest of the crowd versus the bunker and other supporter sections. I think it's fair to say the rest of the stadium has become more quiet year-by-year.

[BuSaPuNk]

Well, as Dero clarified with his second tweet, I think he was more referring to the rest of the crowd versus the bunker and other supporter sections. I think it's fair to say the rest of the stadium has become more quiet year-by-year.

I don't know it seemed like a backpetal to me.

I get that and really alotn of those seats outside of the two low end price points are probably newer SSH. That combined with people being not ready for a winning team. The ghost of the past haven't been exercised yet. A playoff birth should fix that.

[T-boy]

It's not his place to say it. If a reporter or journalist said it, I wouldn't care. A player is not allowed to criticize the team, it's owners, or sponsors. The players should also not talk negatively about the supporters, publicly.

The problem I have is that supporters can crap all over players, managers, the whole team, and the players just have to suck it up. The players are human like us. I think if a player wants to tell the supporters to make more noise, I'm fine with that. It's not like DeRo was saying "the TFC fans suck and they chant like losers!", he was saying "man, I wish TFC fans made more noise".


I don't know about that. Have you been in the bunker this season? We've been pretty good all year. Yeah there's been some blips but your going to have those till people start to realize this isn't your MoJO TFC.

We will continue to get better and the more results get better and we continue to climb towards a payoff birth the place will become a fortress again.

There is a MASSIVE difference between the bunker and almost any area of the BMO. I've got seats in 113 and 114 - 113 is pretty loud - but in 114, which is only around 15 seats further from the bunker, is almost silent in comparison!


Well, as Dero clarified with his second tweet, I think he was more referring to the rest of the crowd versus the bunker and other supporter sections. I think it's fair to say the rest of the stadium has become more quiet year-by-year.

Totally agree - I remember back in 2007 2008, the whole stadium was ROCKING! Now its really only confined to one corner, the rest of the stadium has got worse and worse over the last few years.

[Shakes McQueen]

I think Dero got caught in the twitter trap of 140 characters. Its hard to explain things well with those restraints.

As always I give the dude the benefit of the doubt and hope to see him play a bigger role for our team on the pitch.

Agreed. Tweet really didn't seem like a big deal to me. He was at a game where the crowd was really loud, and tweeted about it. Then he clarified that he wasn't trying to insult TFC's supporters. No biggie.

There are large swaths of BMO that are largely silent outside of goals. That isn't really a secret, or even a surprise. In the first few years everyone was loud, because the novelty hadn't worn off - now we are at a point where the new car smell is gone, and TFC have to give people a reason to be enthusiastic.

And as someone else pointed out, there's really no comparison between a team that has existed for a decade or less, and teams that have existed for generations.

Personally, I'm just waiting for TFC supporters to enter a "post self-consciousness" era, where supporters can just focus on doing their thing and enjoying the thrills of fandom, and stop worrying about what anyone else is saying about the job the supporters are doing, or measuring ourselves against other groups and teams.

[Pookie]

I don't know about that. Have you been in the bunker this season? We've been pretty good all year. Yeah there's been some blips but your going to have those till people start to realize this isn't your MoJO TFC.

We will continue to get better and the more results get better and we continue to climb towards a payoff birth the place will become a fortress again.

The bunker is never the issue. The only challenge is that it is small and tucked away. A ton of history there for another thread.

The quiet comes from the rest of the stadium. Where 20 visiting fans out sing everyone on the east and north side. Where neighbours of 127 simply looked over at people going "crazy" and then did nothing. Where south standers (again outside the bunker) are actually sitters, once they get to their seats 10 mins into the game.

It's a casual fan now that dominates. The challenge for all that care about noise will be to convert them and get them engaged

No doubt a roof will help make the few hundred sound louder. Long way to get it like Portland again where roof or no roof they are all in.

[T-boy]

The bunker is never the issue. The only challenge is that it is small and tucked away. A ton of history there for another thread.



I know this is going off topic - but IMO the atmosphere in the stadium is never going to improve until the core of the dedicated chanting supporters (those largely in the bunker) move to an area of the stadium where they are able to engage other like minded fans and get them to sing along. I know the history of why they are in 112, but it really is a poor location for a supporters group, a few rows away from the side the stadium where the majority of fans are too busy picking the prawn sandwiches out of their teeth to care about singing or creating any type of atmosphere.

Until the core singing fans are more centralised in the supporters section, the atmosphere issues and the isolation of the sound into one corner of the stadium is always going to continue.

[Alonso]

I don't know about that. Have you been in the bunker this season? We've been pretty good all year. Yeah there's been some blips but your going to have those till people start to realize this isn't your MoJO TFC.

We will continue to get better and the more results get better and we continue to climb towards a payoff birth the place will become a fortress again.


I sure hope so.

I miss the early years when a majority tried to get into the vocal signing one way or another at their own pace.

[OgtheDim]

Pretty much all the South stands for the length of the game from my viewpoint.

Its funny, but up in 221, you don't hear much singing (TFC stomp stomp stomp about 4-5 times a game) but a lot of people watch very very intensely. People stamp their feet, applaud a good play, yell at refs, boo the opposition, grimace at a bad pass. Stand up for goals of course. Applaud subs. It feels louder then a CFL game.

Not singing doesn't mean not watching or supporting.


Not bad for a section that is about 30% consistent SSH and who's average age I would say would be about 45.

[Alonso]

Agreed. Tweet really didn't seem like a big deal to me. He was at a game where the crowd was really loud, and tweeted about it. Then he clarified that he wasn't trying to insult TFC's supporters. No biggie.

There are large swaths of BMO that are largely silent outside of goals. That isn't really a secret, or even a surprise. In the first few years everyone was loud, because the novelty hadn't worn off - now we are at a point where the new car smell is gone, and TFC have to give people a reason to be enthusiastic.

And as someone else pointed out, there's really no comparison between a team that has existed for a decade or less, and teams that have existed for generations.

Personally, I'm just waiting for TFC supporters to enter a "post self-consciousness" era, where supporters can just focus on doing their thing and enjoying the thrills of fandom, and stop worrying about what anyone else is saying about the job the supporters are doing, or measuring ourselves against other groups and teams.


That's a hard pill to swallow because we were once a great fandom and all of us had a taste of it. That type of fandom is bordering on spiritual/religious, and is not easy to replace.

What killed the golden goose? I think that question is too black and white, as is any potential answer. All I know is that it was once there, and now ... is no longer.

I will do anything and support anything that get's it back.

I think that their is a lot of blame to go around, and now maybe supporters groups are mature enough to take a look in the mirror and see their responsibility in the down turn.

Hopefully with this new BMO expansion and with more experienced people at the helm making decisions, supporters groups and the front office will take a back seat to what is best to support for this football club. Clearly supporters groups and the front office are LEAST relevant in the equation. The front office and the official supporter group members amount to about 3000 people at the most and points to the fact that they hyper inflate their importance to TFC support. The core of support doesn't resonate with either of these groups and the sooner supporter groups and the front office realize that the better.

I think GA is the way to go. In my view that was the true nature of the early years...

To me GA first makes sense, then structured supporter(s) group(s)... we unfortunately fell into the reverse and paid for it with supporters group politics and the friction from a novice front office hindering growth.

[Fort York Redcoat]

Long way to get it like Portland again where roof or no roof they are all in.

You know I'm all for growth, positivity and giving credit where due but even on our best day we did not have the participation in the south of Portland. People need to manage expectations when talking about "the rest of the stadium". I won't expect it to ever be "rockin'". There is different types of support as you've said many times in the past and there's room for them all. I don't know where these demands on the rest of the stadium come from or these rose-coloured memories. There a bit blown out of proportion IMO.

I think the type of fan at the game in question were all the same in that this one time experience made them chant in the stands in unison but I don't they were singing for 90. Glad DeRo liked it but don't expect me to try to get the whole stadium to do one chant all game long.

[Pookie]

That's a hard pill to swallow because we were once a great fandom and all of us had a taste of it. That type of fandom is bordering on spiritual/religious, and is not easy to replace.

What killed the golden goose? I think that question is too black and white, as is any potential answer. All I know is that it was once there, and now ... is no longer.

I will do anything and support anything that get's it back.

I think that their is a lot of blame to go around, and now maybe supporters groups are mature enough to take a look in the mirror and see their responsibility in the down turn.

Hopefully with this new BMO expansion and with more experienced people at the helm making decisions, supporters groups and the front office will take a back seat to what is best to support for this football club. Clearly supporters groups and the front office are LEAST relevant in the equation. The front office and the official supporter group members amount to about 3000 people at the most and points to the fact that they hyper inflate their importance to TFC support. The core of support doesn't resonate with either of these groups and the sooner supporter groups and the front office realize that the better.

I think GA is the way to go. In my view that was the true nature of the early years...

To me GA first makes sense, then structured supporter(s) group(s)... we unfortunately fell into the reverse and paid for it with supporters group politics and the friction from a novice front office hindering growth.

GA competes with another factor though.

Do folks want to be in the south end because that is how they support OR do they want to be there because it is the least expensive ticket?

Maybe some fall into both camps but generally speaking you have two types of folks that buy tickets (or move) to the south end. Those seeking to stand all game and those seeking affordable tickets.

Their interests don't always meet.

If a fan wants that vantage point but not GA or everything that goes with the Supporters area, they have no choice. The North End would set them back $1,400. Light greys may be an option but your head is turned sideways all game, if you aren't picking bugs out of your teeth in the 200s, and it's still more expensive than the south.

If there was GA, there would have to be a significant price reset across all vantage points to accommodate long standing ticket holders (or new ones) that made their purchase decision based on price.

[C.Ronaldo]

Try sitting in the NE 127

The one timers actually go complain to the usher that people are standing.

People who show up late ask me to move every game because I am standing one seat over (the drum is in our aisle)

GA is the way to go in all supporters sections.

[C.Ronaldo]

DeRo was at a game that he found loud.

He thought, "boy it would be fun if our games were this loud!".

He then tweeted it. No biggie.

He doesn't come on here getting all pissy that people are suggesting he may be "done".

No need to get over sensitive about these things. Go to the next home game and change his mind with loud voices.


Yah, people are too sensitive these days.

Just a imagine what would happen if he made a Yo Mama joke

[Pookie]

GA is the way to go in all supporters sections.

Sure. But there has to be a comparable price option for those that have been paying Supporter Section prices that don't want the standing/drums/etc. You can't force people out of their seats and make them pay higher prices.

[BuSaPuNk]

Try sitting in the NE 127

The one timers actually go complain to the usher that people are standing.

People who show up late ask me to move every game because I am standing one seat over (the drum is in our aisle)

GA is the way to go in all supporters sections.

That's the ticket buyers issue foremost noticing they purchased supporters section seats. Don't see how its complaining. They just didn't realize what tickets they bought.

And GA isn't going to slove any of these issues. I fail to see how GA will stop people coming in later. Traffic and parking are always a pain and not everyone can arrive hours early before game time.

And people have seat numbers and rows of course the 're going t say that's my seat. This is new to 95% of the people at games.

There used to sitting and seat numbers and rows ect. First timers don't understand the process. Cant fault them.

[C.Ronaldo]

That's the ticket buyers issue foremost noticing they purchased supporters section seats. Don't see how its complaining. They just didn't realize what tickets they bought.

And GA isn't going to slove any of these issues. I fail to see how GA will stop people coming in later. Traffic and parking are always a pain and not everyone can arrive hours early before game time.

And people have seat numbers and rows of course the 're going t say that's my seat. This is new to 95% of the people at games.

There used to sitting and seat numbers and rows ect. First timers don't understand the process. Cant fault them.

but these first timers then become 2nd timers, and they still insist on the same behaviour.
After explaining how the seating works because of the drum, its of no use.
Even with empty seats infront or behind, they insist to be in their seats because they fear they will get in trouble or somone else will kick them out.

a new BIG sign saying standing anywhere
GA solves it.

Traffic or parking issues
You show up late and sit on the end aisle,
GA Solves it

The sitting standing isnt really solved but at least the "standers" can be with lke minded people and the "sitters" can be to.

sometimes, fewer rules produce better results.

[MarkEightThree]

So much this... I've been tossing around the idea of a "day in the life of a supporter" video (from waking up hungover in burlington through pregame/setup of section and drumming chanting etc). I just have no technical skills to pull something like that off

The producer of All For One is a member on this board, Clayton Hansler. I'd love to see an episode titled "East Side Stand Up!" that goes through a day with the supporter's groups, some moments with Paul Marhue as he does a comic of ESSU and a sit-down with the Red Nation Online guys as they do their post-game podcast in a pub or park downtown. Could be very cool.

[Phil]

So Dero makes a tweet remarking on how loud the crowd is at BMO for an Itay v Portugal match and we get a GA discussion out of it.

Funny how that game didn't have any GA, not the unofficial type that we already have in certain sections of BMO as it is.

The point is you have to onboard people into accessable chants and welcome them into supporting the team vs making rules about who can sit where. The groups can manage their own sections and largely do, I suspect Kings will get their seating issues sorted as their group grows.

[Pint]

So Dero makes a tweet remarking on how loud the crowd is at BMO for an Itay v Portugal match and we get a GA discussion out of it.

Funny how that game didn't have any GA, not the unofficial type that we already have in certain sections of BMO as it is.

The point is you have to onboard people into accessable chants and welcome them into supporting the team vs making rules about who can sit where. The groups can manage their own sections and largely do, I suspect Kings will get their seating issues sorted as their group grows.

When a new group goes into a section it's always square peg into a round hole. Things are getting better and honestly they are better than I imagined they would be when it was started last year. Another off season of growth and most of the issues should be sorted out.

[hulkrogan]

Back to DeRo... I just watched the friendly last night, and he actually looked excellent. He was all over the field, tracking back hard, and showed flashes of being one of the best passers on the team. I know he's not the future of the club, but I would like to see him used as a late sub more often. He's still got something to offer.

[C.Ronaldo]

Back to DeRo... I just watched the friendly last night, and he actually looked excellent. He was all over the field, tracking back hard, and showed flashes of being one of the best passers on the team. I know he's not the future of the club, but I would like to see him used as a late sub more often. He's still got something to offer.

he needs his mid position back

he is no striker, especially at this age