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OgtheDim
07-11-2014, 06:07 AM
Time to win one boys.

Graeme
07-11-2014, 09:34 AM
So little TFC info. Will Gilberto be able to play this one?

---------------Bendik---------------
--Bloom--Caldwell--Henry---Morrow--
--Oduro--Warner--Bradley--Jackson--
------Moore---Defoe-----------

Bench: Osorio, DeRo, Gilberto(?), Konopka, Orr, Lovitz

Pookie
07-11-2014, 09:42 AM
This is a great chance to knock off a team that is struggling and biting at our playoff ankles. 2 Wins against Houston would put them 9 back and TFC would have 4 games in hand.

No excuses for draws. None for losses. These are the moments that good teams seize.

Particularly when success is gauged by finishing in the top 50%. Knock them out and only 4 more to keep behind us.

Fort York Redcoat
07-11-2014, 09:53 AM
This is a great chance to knock off a team that is struggling and biting at our playoff ankles. 2 Wins against Houston would put them 9 back and TFC would have 4 games in hand.

No excuses for draws. None for losses. These are the moments that good teams seize.

Particularly when success is gauged by finishing in the top 50%. Knock them out and only 4 more to keep behind us.

Agree on the stomping but that last game of Houstons draw to NY was quite an effort. They are FIGHTING. As are we to keep the better than we look record.

OgtheDim
07-11-2014, 10:42 AM
Interview pics going up on twitter. Likely to be video of Nelsen. Based on http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/07/reds-battle-busy-july-schedule, Gilberto not playing but who knows.

Canary10
07-11-2014, 11:29 AM
Bradley unlikely to start, Gilberto is fine apparently.

reggie
07-11-2014, 11:30 AM
Bradley in doubt for Saturday...so he is ok to play right off the plane last week,now a week later he has got some nagging injuries..what a joke this club is.

Canary10
07-11-2014, 11:33 AM
Bradley in doubt for Saturday...so he is ok to play right off the plane last week,now a week later he has got some nagging injuries..what a joke this club is.

That's not at all unusual. Haven't you ever had an injury where you think it's not so bad, I'll play today anyway then realize that probably wasn't the smartest thing you've ever done? These are guys that don't like to miss games. Bradley in particular.

reggie
07-11-2014, 11:38 AM
most of the US players took a week off,we should of given him the week off,we got a lot of games coming up.

Canary10
07-11-2014, 11:46 AM
most of the US players took a week off,we should of given him the week off,we got a lot of games coming up.

Lot of US players play in Europe so don't have games anyway. Some like Beckerman played. Yeah, probably should have had a week off but when you have a guy who insists on playing...anyway, hardly evidence of the club being a joke. I guess Salt Lake is too.

reggie
07-11-2014, 11:56 AM
Beckerman didn't play in the round of 16 so he had more then a week off,yes im over reacting a bit on this club is a joke thingg:D

Canary10
07-11-2014, 12:04 PM
Beckerman didn't play in the round of 16 so he had more then a week off,yes im over reacting a bit on this club is a joke thingg:D

Lol. Bet he plays some minutes anyway. Then we'll be having this conversation again next Wednesday.

Graeme
07-11-2014, 12:05 PM
So little TFC info. Will Gilberto be able to play this one?

---------------Bendik---------------
--Bloom--Caldwell--Henry---Morrow--
--Oduro--Warner--Osorio--Jackson--
------Gilberto---Defoe-----------

Bench: Bradley, DeRo, Moore, Konopka, Orr, Lovitz

Updated! Still think a win is likely...

Canary10
07-11-2014, 12:22 PM
Updated! Still think a win is likely...

So the theory that all Gilberto needed was one goal and the floodgates would open will finally be put to the test.

Supporting
07-11-2014, 12:25 PM
3-0 and 2 goals for gilberto.

Carts
07-11-2014, 12:32 PM
So the theory that all Gilberto needed was one goal and the floodgates would open will finally be put to the test.

It DID HAPPEN... Just everyone isn't too happy about it...

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/archives/sunnews/canada/media/2013/04/20130405-185321-g.jpg

OgtheDim
07-11-2014, 12:37 PM
Well hell just froze over down in Cleveland an hour or so ago so who knows what will happen with Gilberto.

mowe
07-11-2014, 01:49 PM
I'm pissed. I don't know why Nelson played Bradley last week. He was coming off going 90 in every game in the World Cup and we didn't even give him a day off.

And now we're heading into the busiest month of the year and our best player isn't 100%.

Canary10
07-11-2014, 01:52 PM
I'm pissed. I don't know why Nelson played Bradley last week. He was coming off going 90 in every game in the World Cup and we didn't even give him a day off.

And now we're heading into the busiest month of the year and our best player isn't 100%.

120 minutes in the last one. He ran over 16k in that match. Guy never stops. Which is probably why he played Saturday. I'm fine with it tbh. Better to play him against the first place team and rest him against the last place team. The reality is everyone is carrying some sort of injury at this point. This is probably an enforced rest and he could go if really wanted to.

tfcocd
07-11-2014, 02:42 PM
So little TFC info. Will Gilberto be able to play this one?

---------------Bendik---------------
--Bloom--Caldwell--Henry---Morrow--
--Oduro--Warner--Osorio--Jackson--
------Gilberto---Defoe-----------

Bench: Bradley, DeRo, Moore, Konopka, Orr, Lovitz

Back to 4-4-2?

Wouldn't mind seeing another crack at the 4-2-3-1 even though it didn't generate a goal. At the same time I can see the argument to go back to the 4 - 4- 2 that worked well against NY (with a 'minor' tweak of swapping a DP for Moore :)).

Too bad the same DP upgrade can't happen with Bradley for Osorio. Still waiting to see starting line-up continuity that features all 3 DPs!

portu
07-11-2014, 09:09 PM
Hoping to see the 4-3-3 from Nelsen.

Bendik, Bloom, Caldwell, Henry, Morrow, Warner, Orr, Osorio, Gilberto, Defoe, Oduro

We need these three points

tfcocd
07-11-2014, 10:46 PM
This gives Jackson a break which might be a good thing. With a Houston defence leaking goals 4-3-3 might open up the floodgates. Establishing a threat from oduro and Gilberto will give Defoe more room.

ensco
07-11-2014, 10:54 PM
Bradley should have been on a beach somewhere last Saturday. That was nuts. It's not his call.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 01:08 AM
Not the first time this sort of thing has happened this season. They should have learned by now...

Pookie
07-12-2014, 05:51 AM
Bradley unlikely to start, Gilberto is fine apparently.

Official MLS injury report issued yesterday has Gilberto as questionable. Bradley not listed on the report at all. Suggests healthy and available.

OgtheDim
07-12-2014, 06:28 AM
MLS injury reports seem to be based on what the teams tell the media. Bradley didn't practice all week.

Pookie
07-12-2014, 06:31 AM
You know as an aside, if MLS wants to get big it needs to figure out a way to market participation in legal sports gambling.

NFL weekend shows are built around "the spread" and "locks". NCAA March Madness wouldn't be where it is without pools.

And if it does participate, official injury reports should be official.

JayMolly
07-12-2014, 09:20 AM
Time to win one boys.

Those games in hand mean zip, if we don't get some points!
Go TFC GO!!!

BuSaPuNk
07-12-2014, 09:36 AM
Huge game today we have to start getting points with these games in hand and create a gap between us and the bottom of the East. Hopefully the DC gsme was just a blip on the radar and we go back to the form we had running into the DC game.

maninb
07-12-2014, 10:56 AM
A MUST win against one of the WORST road teams....

Red CB Toronto
07-12-2014, 11:19 AM
Can you feel it, TFC is ready to win.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2014, 11:24 AM
If there's one thing this team has proven, it's that there's no such thing as a sure thing, regardless of the circumstances.

We really need 3 points tonight.

Red CB Toronto
07-12-2014, 11:45 AM
We will just have to see how it goes.

Qman
07-12-2014, 11:57 AM
Back to 4-4-2?

Wouldn't mind seeing another crack at the 4-2-3-1 even though it didn't generate a goal. At the same time I can see the argument to go back to the 4 - 4- 2 that worked well against NY (with a 'minor' tweak of swapping a DP for Moore :)).

Too bad the same DP upgrade can't happen with Bradley for Osorio. Still waiting to see starting line-up continuity that features all 3 DPs!

agree. like to see 4-2-3-1, but obviously, Bradley would need to be in the line up to play the #10 role.
If we can't beat houston ... we don't deserve a playoff spot. 4-0 tfc

OgtheDim
07-12-2014, 12:27 PM
FWIW...............

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/p180x540/10442383_10152146883966805_7654382187805032507_n.j pg

Now they're just throwing darts.

daner90
07-12-2014, 12:57 PM
Saw this as well, I couldnt see this line up at all. I think Henry gets back at CB next to Caldwell and Moore back up top with Defoe. Really not sure what they will do with Bradley based on his fitness

OgtheDim
07-12-2014, 05:31 PM
Bradley in civies standing waiting for some event at the player entrance to the field.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 06:07 PM
Can someone post a stream please?

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 06:14 PM
Streams please! My usual site doesn't have anything up and I'm trying badly to watch this!

dantdot
07-12-2014, 06:15 PM
http://ifirstrow.eu/watch/269406/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-houston-dynamo.html

SirBobSaget
07-12-2014, 06:18 PM
Should be the last Warner free kick we see today

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 06:19 PM
http://ifirstrow.eu/watch/269406/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-houston-dynamo.html

Thank you!

mowe
07-12-2014, 06:21 PM
Choppy start to the game

Nerepis
07-12-2014, 06:27 PM
I think a little defense might have helped there.

mowe
07-12-2014, 06:29 PM
I think a little defense might have helped there.

Watched a little too much of Brazil it looks like

JavierMartini
07-12-2014, 06:31 PM
I think a little defense might have helped there.


or Bendik could cover his near post :s

Agreed that the D fucked up. Bendik was cheating and paid for it though.

Nerepis
07-12-2014, 06:32 PM
Yeah that was all bad.

mowe
07-12-2014, 06:43 PM
Defoe with a nice free kick saved

And we give up another goal. Defence in shambles. Down 0-2 at home to a team that's winless in 6.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 06:43 PM
Very, very flat performance by the team so far.

What is the point of an Oduro or a Jackson if they don't track back? They are C+ going forward at best!

portu
07-12-2014, 06:44 PM
This is pathetic.

Bendik, Bloom, pathetic.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 06:45 PM
Some serious half time talk and substitutions needed.

jloome
07-12-2014, 06:49 PM
This is pathetic.

Bendik, Bloom, pathetic.

Osorio's having trouble reading the play defensively.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 06:52 PM
Good on Osorio to attack the box on that play.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 06:52 PM
Yessssss!!!!

mowe
07-12-2014, 06:53 PM
Oso scores after a huge mistake by their goalie. Defoe created the chance obviously.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 06:56 PM
Osorio's having trouble reading the play defensively.
But the defensive responsibility in the middle has to start with Warner, he is staying anchored while Osorio runs around playing box-to-box and making triangles. He has to be the first one responsible for the shape.

Nerepis
07-12-2014, 06:56 PM
Man chippy chippy Houston, I can see a little bad blood and argy bargy in Houston next week.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 06:56 PM
Great on us for finally picking the momentum up. Hopefully we come out smoking in the second.

jloome
07-12-2014, 06:57 PM
But the defensive responsibility in the middle has to start with Warner, he is staying anchored while Osorio runs around playing box-to-box and making triangles. He has to be the first one responsible for the shape.

If you assume Osorio is playing as the attacking midfielder; judging on how often Warner has gotten forward, they're playing flat and going forward depending on where the ball is.

Nerepis
07-12-2014, 07:00 PM
Crazy game tonight!

Dkolish3
07-12-2014, 07:00 PM
What a game.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 07:01 PM
If you assume Osorio is playing as the attacking midfielder; judging on how often Warner has gotten forward, they're playing flat and going forward depending on where the ball is.
It's not strictly AM-DM, but more like a DM and a box-to-box player. Warner is too slow to consistently attack space so he rarely goes forward.

mowe
07-12-2014, 07:01 PM
What a comeback.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 07:01 PM
The boys definitely deserve a standing ovation! Now let's come out hot in the second!

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:03 PM
Fuck...what a day to miss the game :(

Oh well, I suppose fatherhood is more important, at least until he's old enough to go to the games!

It's so huge to score right before the break like that!

portu
07-12-2014, 07:04 PM
Oduro looked hurt after that goal might come off at the half.

Defoe looks great when he drops deep to collect the ball and has been the catalyst for all of our attacks.

Defence looks piss poor, let's hope it improves.

nonc
07-12-2014, 07:05 PM
Joke first half from Bloom and Bendik. Shouldn't take being down 2 to play like you're interested. Time for Gilberto>Moore.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 07:05 PM
What a half.

Keep backing them down, 3/4 of the backline are on yellow cards. Don't let them off easy.

nonc
07-12-2014, 07:15 PM
Someone please explain to me how Defoe doesn't get an assist on Oduro's goal.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 07:17 PM
Come on you Reds!

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 07:23 PM
So is Luke Moore on the field or...?

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 07:27 PM
No advantage?!

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 07:30 PM
Well, you can't say any one of those yellows was undeserved. They've all been tactical.

Credit to Toledo, other than the missed advantage call he hasn't missed much today.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 07:34 PM
awesome!

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:34 PM
Nice stop, Bendik.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 07:35 PM
Defoe!!!!!

mowe
07-12-2014, 07:35 PM
Defooooooeee

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 07:36 PM
*phew!* that was lucky. Caldwell blew it on that one.

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:36 PM
DEFOE!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck yes!

Dkolish3
07-12-2014, 07:37 PM
Whoa Caldwell got beat but I think he's injured.

Dkolish3
07-12-2014, 07:40 PM
Caldwell out who got the armband

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:41 PM
Uh oh. Caldwell hurt. Orr is a good fill-in.

Dkolish3
07-12-2014, 07:43 PM
Anyone find it odd that Henry got the armband? Maybe its Caldwell saying it your job to keep the win

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:44 PM
Osorio needs to cut that shit out. He goes down too easily and obviously, so he doesn't earn any credibility with refs.

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:51 PM
Toledo+late pressure+Henry makes me incredibly nervous.

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:55 PM
Jackson has had a solid match. He saved our butts on a couple of occasions.

Shit. Defoe just started hobbling.

Jack
07-12-2014, 07:57 PM
Gilberto has to score that. Has to.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 08:00 PM
Yes! We needed that.

mowe
07-12-2014, 08:01 PM
Glad Defoe got another, but seriously Houston has been horrid.

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 08:02 PM
Glad Defoe got another, but seriously Houston has been horrid.
Other than Brad Davis of course

Jack
07-12-2014, 08:05 PM
Defoe is the man. The fucking man.

Mark TFC
07-12-2014, 08:06 PM
Absolutely incredible win, boys! Beautiful performance!

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 08:07 PM
I'll call this the game Doniel Henry should model the rest of them after.

No crazy attempts to get stuck in every time, no brainfarts. Simple, positional, defending. That's it, all that's required.

nonc
07-12-2014, 08:08 PM
Willpower to the win.

nonc
07-12-2014, 08:12 PM
I'll call this the game Doniel Henry should model the rest of them after.

No crazy attempts to get stuck in every time, no brainfarts. Simple, positional, defending. That's it, all that's required.

In fairness to Henry he's had some great games like this in 2014, but he's been interrupted by injury, suspension or other self harming play as you've described.

Jack
07-12-2014, 08:14 PM
It wasn't the prettiest, but damn did that ever feel good. When Houston want up by 2, I felt the familiar kick in the balls and thought "oh shit, here we go with our summer losing streak".

ag futbol
07-12-2014, 08:20 PM
In fairness to Henry he's had some great games like this in 2014, but he's been interrupted by injury, suspension or other self harming play as you've described.
Oh I agree, he's had some good ones. But I think the mentality that makes him look EPL bound on an exceptional night, leads him to over extend himself on a lot of others. This is the first time I can recall - in a while at least - where he played inside the team and didn't run all over the place to try and boss everything that came his way. He's an exceptional enough athlete where he's going to win a lot of balls without trying to be a superstar back there.

I want less. All he has to do is keep his post and most MLS teams are realizing this guy eats their target forward for lunch.

OgtheDim
07-12-2014, 08:30 PM
Defoe is the best crosser of the ball we have.

He's also, IIRC, now one yellow from an accumulation suspension.

Jackson made one great play but his brain going forward... Ugh.

Defoe looked pissed at the end.

Moore puts himself about but Gilberto has a better first touch.

Roll on Vancouver.

Heart of Stone
07-12-2014, 08:33 PM
Defoe doesn't seem to have slumps. He produces almost always.

DOMIN8R
07-12-2014, 08:36 PM
Just got back from the game. Perfect weather. Another sell out. The south end was on fire.

This team can get me to do cartwheels just as easy as it can bring me tears. A few of mental lapses exposed us half a dozen times. Like Jack said - when I was sitting there with my son and it was around the 24th minute or so and my son looked at me and said "this is hard to watch". We were down 2-0. But they showed grit and turned it around. We had good shape for the most part tonight. The lads should be proud. 4 goals in one game. Doesn't happen often for this franchise.

greatwhitenorf
07-12-2014, 09:04 PM
It wasn't the prettiest, but damn did that ever feel good. When Houston want up by 2, I felt the familiar kick in the balls and thought "oh shit, here we go with our summer losing streak".

You could see that we were the superior side even when they went up by two. A bunch of us were convinced then that if we scored the next goal, we'd win. We were just that much better all over the field. Boom, first goal arrives, job done.

It's not a comforting sight to see both Jackson and Odura in the same 11 just now. Perhaps they'll mesh better with everyone in time and turn every game into a track meet. But right now, it's absolutely perilous to have them both out there at the same time. Too many turnovers and plays where they haven't thought through what's happening and when things go awry, they're just not mentally sharp enough to prevent trouble.

The one redeeming quality is Jackson's speed and willingness to back track and defend. I thought this was his best overall game for TFC. Not the best start, but came into the game nicely and did some very useful things taking the ball from the defence and breaking upfield to relieve pressure and create counterattacks. For DP money, we're entitled to expect this routinely, not get all excited when it finally emerges halfway through the season.

PopePouri
07-12-2014, 09:07 PM
Watched it on MLS Live with the Houston commentary. What a bunch of nobs.

The first conversation they had was that TFC will be able to create nothing through midfield because Bradley is out. It's like they don't know their team has a -18 goal differential and haven't won since the middle of May.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2014, 09:12 PM
Houston wasn't given enough credit going into this match because they just got their full squad together for the first time in ages. They have their defensive deficiencies, but they are dangerous on the attack with a healthy lineup.

Credit to TFC for fighting back from a 2-0 deficit with 4 unanswered goals. That is an impressive feat under any circumstances.

tfcleeds
07-12-2014, 09:16 PM
Watched it on MLS Live with the Houston commentary. What a bunch of nobs.



Yeah, they were terrible.

Gutted I couldn't attend this match.

Oldtimer
07-12-2014, 09:25 PM
Wasn't at this match unfortunately, saw it on MLS live. I disagree about the Houston announcers, yeah they were homers, but they were quite knowledgeable and enjoyable to listen to. Like Jack, I had that familiar sinking feeling from years of seeing TFC lose games like this. It was great to see the turnaround!

At one point Bendik did a fantastic Julio Cesar-like punchout save. I can see that he really has grown from playing with such a great keeper, Brazil's WC woes aside.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2014, 09:30 PM
Forgot to mention, that back heel pass by Jackson to help set up the winning goal by Defoe was a thing of beauty.

Canary10
07-12-2014, 09:36 PM
Defoe was responsible for every goal. He's amazing to watch. A step above 99% of players in this league. That was a fun game to watch live. One of the craziest I've seen at BMO. We jump over New England too with that win. Now Vancouver!!

Canary10
07-12-2014, 09:39 PM
Someone please explain to me how Defoe doesn't get an assist on Oduro's goal.

Osorio's at least. Oduro's at least was a second ball.

DOMIN8R
07-12-2014, 09:49 PM
Was that 5 yellow cards for Baldomero Toledo tonight? 4 for Houston and 1 for TFC?

T-boy
07-12-2014, 09:52 PM
I thought Warner played very well tonight. Unsung hero. He didn't stop all game. He's definitely grown on me the last few weeks. Defoe is going to get all the credit in a game like today, but Warner was my motm just for being a real two way midfielder. I often saw him mop up in the middle of the CB's and then break out through midfield on a run. Good for him.

Detroit_TFC
07-12-2014, 09:55 PM
Can we do it again down in Houston?

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2014, 09:56 PM
I thought Warner played very well tonight. Unsung hero. He didn't stop all game. He's definitely grown on me the last few weeks. Defoe is going to get all the credit in a game like today, but Warner was my motm just for being a real two way midfielder. I often saw him mop up in the middle of the CB's and then break out through midfield on a run. Good for him.

Yeah, in retrospect, I think that was a very solid trade by Bez.

Canary10
07-12-2014, 09:58 PM
I thought Warner played very well tonight. Unsung hero. He didn't stop all game. He's definitely grown on me the last few weeks. Defoe is going to get all the credit in a game like today, but Warner was my motm just for being a real two way midfielder. I often saw him mop up in the middle of the CB's and then break out through midfield on a run. Good for him.

He's actually pretty calm on the ball too. I thought played well also.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2014, 09:59 PM
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vAa1KQGVdF8/U8HUJTQ0gyI/AAAAAAAAvPk/jcqrGGkg3Jg/w638-h357-no/Backheel.gif

Oldtimer
07-12-2014, 09:59 PM
Was that 5 yellow cards for Baldomero Toledo tonight? 4 for Houston and 1 for TFC? Yeah, Toledo had a slow night for him. No red cards (he loooves red cards) and no PKs either. All of the yellows were deserved, too.

OgtheDim
07-12-2014, 10:09 PM
Confirmed that Defoe will be suspended once he gets his next yellow.

OgtheDim
07-12-2014, 10:35 PM
Watching the game on MLS.

First goal against was a great pass that split our central mid. Henry was outpaced by Barnes. Bloom had to step up.

Ultimately, Bendik has to make that save on the short side.

Second goal was Bloom making a poor choice and Oduro not coming back.

notthesun
07-12-2014, 10:51 PM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?

lazlo_80
07-12-2014, 10:54 PM
Watched it on MLS Live with the Houston commentary. What a bunch of nobs.

The first conversation they had was that TFC will be able to create nothing through midfield because Bradley is out. It's like they don't know their team has a -18 goal differential and haven't won since the middle of May.

I don't live anywhere near Toronto anymore so I watch a ton of games on MLS Live, those commentators had to be the biggest homers I've ever heard do a game.

tfcleeds
07-12-2014, 11:09 PM
Can we do it again down in Houston?

The way they've been playing recently, no reason to think we don't have a chance to.

Jack
07-12-2014, 11:28 PM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?
I think he was hurt.

boozilla
07-12-2014, 11:36 PM
Can't remember TFC coming back from 2:0. Nice.
Bloom was exposed twice and made us look like Brazil early on.. Only sheer determination and Defoe magic turned it around. Bitchy also kept her cool, despite seagulls dive-bombing her.

TFC07
07-12-2014, 11:38 PM
Is it me or does TFC play more like a team without Bradley? Anyway, great win despite awful start.

Big game coming up on Wednesday against Vancouver. We can't drop anymore points at home so we need to pick up a win to move up in the standings.

This team is good enough to finish first in the east once everyone is healthy and had some time to get used to each other (we rarely see all 3 DP's playing together anymore).

Blixa
07-12-2014, 11:44 PM
Funny, I didn't notice Bradley wasn't playing.

SKB
07-12-2014, 11:47 PM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?

Oduro used to play for Houston so he did not celebrate the goal out of respect I believe.

Abou Sky
07-13-2014, 12:33 AM
Is it me or does TFC play more like a team without Bradley? Anyway, great win despite awful start.


I was saying that on the way home.

I don't know what it is, if he messes with people's mojo or if he plays at a different pace or what.

Kaz
07-13-2014, 12:53 AM
I don't want to take anything away from a win. 3 points is 3 points.. but That was all on the Keeper.. he should have saved every single one of those goals. Just poor poor attempts to save.

Cashcleaner
07-13-2014, 01:09 AM
Missed the game today, but glad for the result. Catching some of the highlights now. Can't help but notice that Oduro scored after playing less than 250 minutes with TFC, while Gilberto played over twice that many minutes before he bagged his first goal.

And Defoe. What more can be said about the guy? He's averaging like .85 goals per game now. That's pretty phenomenal for this club.

Anyway, looking forward to the Vancouver match. Gonna be the first time in a long time since I've been to a mid-week game.

manitou22
07-13-2014, 02:03 AM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?
Noticed that too. Just guessing, but I wonder if it had to do with him missing from the same spot last week in extra time against Chicago which would have won the game. Probably not happy he didn't bury it on the first try rather than scoring off the rebound landing at his feet.

Blizzard
07-13-2014, 02:21 AM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?

He used to play for Houston so perhaps he just didn't want to celebrate.

Stress
07-13-2014, 02:52 AM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?

He used to play for Houston so I think he didn't celebrate out of respect. That or he's pissed that he didn't set up a papa johns celebration in advance.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 04:28 AM
I think he was hurt.

Oduro was definitely hurt or winded - as they are running up to him after he scores, you can see him point to the centre of his chest or something.

GlenM
07-13-2014, 05:12 AM
Good to see that Toronto FC won 4 -2 last night over Houston.


TFC TFC TFC!!!

GlenM

Canary10
07-13-2014, 06:28 AM
Oduro was definitely hurt or winded - as they are running up to him after he scores, you can see him point to the centre of his chest or something.


I don't want to take anything away from a win. 3 points is 3 points.. but That was all on the Keeper.. he should have saved every single one of those goals. Just poor poor attempts to save.

No way. Wide open from about 8 yards out? Davis drilled both of those. Can't except a keeper to save from that close in with the amount of time he had to tee them.

Ed: oh you meant Tally Hall. After everyone getting on Bendik this week I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 07:01 AM
I don't want to take anything away from a win. 3 points is 3 points.. but That was all on the Keeper.. he should have saved every single one of those goals. Just poor poor attempts to save.

The only one their keeper blew it on positioning-wise, was Defoe's first - and even then, I'm pretty sure Defoe put it through his legs, so it was a really well taken shot. I don't know how you think, for example, he "should have had" Defoe's second goal. 1v1 against one of the best strikers in the league? And despite that, he managed to get a piece of it - just not enough to stop Defoe from rushing to finish it off.

I wouldn't say their keeper had a good game or anything, but he was placed in awkward positions by the first two, and completely hung out to dry on the fourth.

Pookie
07-13-2014, 07:19 AM
I don't want to take anything away from a win. 3 points is 3 points.. but That was all on the Keeper.. he should have saved every single one of those goals. Just poor poor attempts to save.

I think there were two gifts. One on the keeper on Osorio's goal and another on the breakaway pass to Defoe. I can't fault their keeper on the other two. Plus he made a great save on Defoe's free kick.

Bendik saved quite a few as well and that miss Houston had in the 66th(?) would have been significant.

Entertaining game.

It was important to take points from Houston as they are one of the teams that could catch TFC. In this Quest for Mediocrity (ie Making the Playoffs), half get in and half don't. If they can put Houston out of it, it becomes a race where 5 of 9 make it.

Not quite as easy as CFL Playoffs but should be achievable.

tfcocd
07-13-2014, 08:07 AM
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vAa1KQGVdF8/U8HUJTQ0gyI/AAAAAAAAvPk/jcqrGGkg3Jg/w638-h357-no/Backheel.gif

Sweet back heel from Jackson right in front of Nelson. The whole play developed nicely from there. Defoe made there defence look like they were standing still really highlighting the reason for there horrible defensive record. TFC did what they had to which is take advantage of bad teams and collect 3 points.

rowjimi
07-13-2014, 08:31 AM
Can't remember TFC coming back from 2:0. Nice.
Bloom was exposed twice and made us look like Brazil early on.. Only sheer determination and Defoe magic turned it around. Bitchy also kept her cool, despite seagulls dive-bombing her.

It was a nice comeback and that seagull was quite brave.

Canary10
07-13-2014, 09:27 AM
I think there were two gifts. One on the keeper on Osorio's goal and another on the breakaway pass to Defoe. I can't fault their keeper on the other two. Plus he made a great save on Defoe's free kick.

Bendik saved quite a few as well and that miss Houston had in the 66th(?) would have been significant.

Entertaining game.

It was important to take points from Houston as they are one of the teams that could catch TFC. In this Quest for Mediocrity (ie Making the Playoffs), half get in and half don't. If they can put Houston out of it, it becomes a race where 5 of 9 make it.

Not quite as easy as CFL Playoffs but should be achievable.

Making the playoffs has always been the goal this year. If it was so easy, you'd think we'd have done it by now!

ManUtd4ever
07-13-2014, 09:34 AM
Funny, I didn't notice Bradley wasn't playing.

Two words: Collen Warner.

That being said, we should be that much stronger when Bradley is fit.

Pookie
07-13-2014, 09:43 AM
Making the playoffs has always been the goal this year. If it was so easy, you'd think we'd have done it by now!

Yep. You'd think. Every other team has managed that over the last 8 years.

Canary10
07-13-2014, 10:01 AM
Yep. You'd think. Every other team has managed that over the last 8 years.

Odds are it would happen even by accident. Takes a whole new level of ineptness to not. Luckily we are turning a corner.

Red4ever
07-13-2014, 10:09 AM
Defence was terrible on their first two goals. Better teams woulnt have let us back in. Gilberto had a chance to seal it late and didn't.

TFCwestcan
07-13-2014, 10:10 AM
Yes nice comeback win, ironically i think that our passing was better on the two previous games, this game was kind of choppy. The next two games should be interesting, Nelson will likely have to bring some of the bench players into to the games.

Canary10
07-13-2014, 10:23 AM
We could surpass last year's point total by the end of the week.

Kaz
07-13-2014, 10:33 AM
The only one their keeper blew it on positioning-wise, was Defoe's first - and even then, I'm pretty sure Defoe put it through his legs, so it was a really well taken shot. I don't know how you think, for example, he "should have had" Defoe's second goal. 1v1 against one of the best strikers in the league? And despite that, he managed to get a piece of it - just not enough to stop Defoe from rushing to finish it off.

I wouldn't say their keeper had a good game or anything, but he was placed in awkward positions by the first two, and completely hung out to dry on the fourth.


First Goal, off the hands instead of catching it, Osorio in the right place though for just such a thing..

Second Goal shot, rebound, shot again. It's poor clearance, poor defending. (but hey it happens)

Third Goal Defoe - right threw the 5 hole. It's not a hockey puck your legs shouldn't be so wide that a large soccer ball can pass threw. This goal never would have happened with a better keeper

Fourth Goal. Really bad back pass. Defoe hit the five hole and through it went again, not as easily this time but still. Defoe might have taken a different shooting angle with a different keeper.

When the Keep (Tally Hall) lets 2 goals through a five hole.. then you can questions his efficiency as a keeper.

The last goal was going in.. Defoe shot it right between his legs... the only reason a striker shoots a ball at a keeper is if the keeper is poor enough to let it go through.


The first two you can make an argument that the Keeper wasn't fully at fault.. but all four goals came off or through the Keeper. Two were through the 5 Hole, and had he not had such a wide open stance and I'm assuming poor reflexes it wouldn't have happened.

TFC/Everton
07-13-2014, 10:34 AM
My thoughts on one of the most exciting games I have ever seen at BMO.

Defoe dominated in the final third. I simply can't say enough about his performance and wonder how far he can lead this team.

Gilberto should have nailed that opportunity and he continues to disappoint. He is not earning his salary and I only say that because of the MLS salary cap system.

Once Dike is back, would that DP slot be better used on someone else? Perhaps a DP winger from England? Someone who can work with Defoe?

My point is that once Dike is back, we'll have Defoe, Dike, Moore and Gilberto competing for 2 slots up top and I am not sure that Gilberto is going to live up to expectations.

Our back four looked shaky in the first 20 minutes but settled down and had a solid second half.

Still lots of work to be done, but this looks like a playoff team (IMO)

Kaz
07-13-2014, 10:41 AM
Entertaining game.

It was important to take points from Houston as they are one of the teams that could catch TFC. In this Quest for Mediocrity (ie Making the Playoffs), half get in and half don't. If they can put Houston out of it, it becomes a race where 5 of 9 make it.

Not quite as easy as CFL Playoffs but should be achievable.


I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing. - Chris Knight (Real Genius 1985)


Keep in mind we are also looking for a Champions League spot which right now is also not a sure thing.

Plenty happening.

Cheer up or we will break into your place, put a giant popcorn foil into it, and Hack the US Air Force flight data to have an American Laser Plane fly over and super heat it, filling your place with delicious popcorn to the sounds of Tears for Fears. And we'll get away with it too because it's not scientifically possible, and it's hilarious.

Pookie
07-13-2014, 10:49 AM
My thoughts on one of the most exciting games I have ever seen at BMO.

Defoe dominated in the final third. I simply can't say enough about his performance and wonder how far he can lead this team.

Gilberto should have nailed that opportunity and he continues to disappoint. He is not earning his salary and I only say that because of the MLS salary cap system.

Once Dike is back, would that DP slot be better used on someone else? Perhaps a DP winger from England? Someone who can work with Defoe?

My point is that once Dike is back, we'll have Defoe, Dike, Moore and Gilberto competing for 2 slots up top and I am not sure that Gilberto is going to live up to expectations.

Our back four looked shaky in the first 20 minutes but settled down and had a solid second half.

Still lots of work to be done, but this looks like a playoff team (IMO)

I don't think it is that much of a decision. Defoe needs to be replaced at some point over the next 3 seasons.

It would be stupid to resign him at 34.

Ride him this season and maybe next but they have to keep an eye on replacements. Gilberto and Dike might be that combination that steps up.

Pookie
07-13-2014, 10:50 AM
I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing. - Chris Knight (Real Genius 1985)


Keep in mind we are also looking for a Champions League spot which right now is also not a sure thing.

Plenty happening.

Cheer up or we will break into your place, put a giant popcorn foil into it, and Hack the US Air Force flight data to have an American Laser Plane fly over and super heat it, filling your place with delicious popcorn to the sounds of Tears for Fears. And we'll get away with it too because it's not scientifically possible, and it's hilarious.

Who isn't happy? All MLSE teams set a low bar... competing for the playoffs, which by definition is what every team does during the season... and this might be the one that actually achieves it ;)

reggie
07-13-2014, 10:54 AM
First Goal, off the hands instead of catching it, Osorio in the right place though for just such a thing..

Second Goal shot, rebound, shot again. It's poor clearance, poor defending. (but hey it happens)

Third Goal Defoe - right threw the 5 hole. It's not a hockey puck your legs shouldn't be so wide that a large soccer ball can pass threw. This goal never would have happened with a better keeper

Fourth Goal. Really bad back pass. Defoe hit the five hole and through it went again, not as easily this time but still. Defoe might have taken a different shooting angle with a different keeper.

When the Keep (Tally Hall) lets 2 goals through a five hole.. then you can questions his efficiency as a keeper.

The last goal was going in.. Defoe shot it right between his legs... the only reason a striker shoots a ball at a keeper is if the keeper is poor enough to let it go through.


The first two you can make an argument that the Keeper wasn't fully at fault.. but all four goals came off or through the Keeper. Two were through the 5 Hole, and had he not had such a wide open stance and I'm assuming poor reflexes it wouldn't have happened.

when we win, its because the other team sucks,when we lose its because we suck,Hall also made 2 or 3 great saves.thats futbol,we shouldn't of lost last week,i will take the 3 points,fun game love Saturday night games,lots of babes at the game lastnight.

OgtheDim
07-13-2014, 11:02 AM
Its MLS:

Every team sucks at some point during every game.

Every team has somebody not doing what they should at any given point in the season.

Soccer, at every level, is just an exercise in making the other teams suck more often then you do.

Canary10
07-13-2014, 11:04 AM
I find it hard to blame a keeper who is one v. one with a striker, especially one of Defoe's quality. Hall is a very good keeper in this league too. I'd be more apt to blame the defence for some of our goals than the keeping.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 11:10 AM
Its MLS:

Every team sucks at some point during every game.

Every team has somebody not doing what they should at any given point in the season.

Soccer, at every level, is just an exercise in making the other teams suck more often then you do.

Exactly. Goals are pretty much always the product of a mistake at some point - mistakes in coverage, clearances... whatever.

Ivy
07-13-2014, 11:29 AM
Its MLS:

Every team sucks at some point during every game.

Every team has somebody not doing what they should at any given point in the season.

Soccer, at every level, is just an exercise in making the other teams suck more often then you do.
lmao. Genius.

PookyP
07-13-2014, 11:47 AM
This is probably in the wrong thread, but how come the report on the Houston game on goougle news is about item 20, well back of the Argos and every other sport?

TFC does not get enough respect from the journalists (and TSN 1050 sports news crew.)
Last night TSN gave the miserable Argos score evry 20 minutes but no mention of the TFC game.
What can we do to change this. Maybe TFC is slow in giving the news agencies a report.

Richard
07-13-2014, 11:56 AM
^^^^^ Give it 20 or so years when the older generation starts to wither away. There also isn't much soccer history in this country, look no further than the TV ratings and you will see why TFC is still treated as minor league, of course it doesn't help when they get placed behind numerous pay walls

Fort York Redcoat
07-13-2014, 12:19 PM
Who isn't happy? All MLSE teams set a low bar... competing for the playoffs, which by definition is what every team does during the season... and this might be the one that actually achieves it ;)

We are officially bff's, Pook.

It's you and me vs playoffs and North American Sports structure. What's our next move?

This attitude will be hard pressed to find legs. We'll have to mediocritize the "Cinderella story" of "sneaking into the playoffs and going all the way".g:D

*This may sound extremely sarcastic but I actually would prefer it if NA fans had the patience for single table play and forego the meterstick of playoffs. Regardless, this season, that is the goal and what most of us have accepted as the success factor for now.

ag futbol
07-13-2014, 12:52 PM
Err... More than a couple of leagues in the world have playoffs. Mexico and Argentina to name two. I don't like a large playoff format but the league table winner doesn't exactly do it for me either. Too much of what comes up over the course of a season is situational and then suddenly the names on the sheet might be the same but the nature of the challenge is different. I think MLB has it right, where you take the best 10-15% of the league and have them fight it out for the title.

Back to the game: I think TFC and particularly Bradley and Defoe are in other teams heads a bit. You see Defoe pick up the ball at the top of the box yesterday, it was deer in headlights kind of stuff.

Pookie
07-13-2014, 12:56 PM
We are officially bff's, Pook.

It's you and me vs playoffs and North American Sports structure. What's our next move?

This attitude will be hard pressed to find legs. We'll have to mediocritize the "Cinderella story" of "sneaking into the playoffs and going all the way".g:D

*This may sound extremely sarcastic but I actually would prefer it if NA fans had the patience for single table play and forego the meterstick of playoffs. Regardless, this season, that is the goal and what most of us have accepted as the success factor for now.

BFFs? Do I have to learn all this new fandangled lingo these cray cray kids use these days? I just started incorporating fo' shizzle into my corporate presentations now I have to go back and learn something new?

I think MLS would take off if it used a table champion and season-long North American Cup tournament that came down to a "Sweet 16" knockout format over the period that is now the playoffs. The key with the second bit is setting up brackets like March Madness, with all your legalized sports betting to go along with it. North American fans would eat that up.

Until then, we'll aim to compete for not sucking.

Imagine if we held our kids' report cards to the same standards?

Dad, every year I intend to learn enough for the D- (+50%). Keep in mind that there is a lot of bad luck out there. I might injure a finger you know. And we all know that some teachers aren't fair. So, if I don't make a D- average, know that it is my intention is that I will next year. Can I have some money now?

ManUtd4ever
07-13-2014, 01:03 PM
Based on the current roster and the collective strength of the Eastern Conference, the playoffs should not be our goal, it should be a given. Our goal should be to secure one of the top playoff seeds in the conference and make some noise in the post season.

We are however a few pieces away from being a legitimate MLS Cup contender. Bez still has to try and strengthen our backline in my opinion, notably in the central defense and at right back. We could also use another creative wide midfielder, and a reliable goalkeeper to share the load with Bendik if Cesar does not return.

Richard
07-13-2014, 01:21 PM
Based on the current roster and the collective strength of the Eastern Conference, the playoffs should not be our goal, it should be a given. Our goal should be to secure one of the top playoff seeds in the conference and make some noise in the post season.

We are however a few pieces away from being a legitimate MLS Cup contender. Bez still has to try and strengthen our backline in my opinion, notably in the central defense and at right back. We could also use another creative wide midfielder, and a reliable goalkeeper to share the load with Bendik if Cesar does not return.

We could be a cup contender this year if Gilberto becomes an offensive threat, I don't think there is any team in this league who could handle the Defoe, Bradley, Gilberto trio.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 01:25 PM
BFFs? Do I have to learn all this new fandangled lingo these cray cray kids use these days? I just started incorporating fo' shizzle into my corporate presentations now I have to go back and learn something new?

I think MLS would take off if it used a table champion and season-long North American Cup tournament that came down to a "Sweet 16" knockout format over the period that is now the playoffs. The key with the second bit is setting up brackets like March Madness, with all your legalized sports betting to go along with it. North American fans would eat that up.

Until then, we'll aim to compete for not sucking.

Imagine if we held our kids' report cards to the same standards?

Dad, every year I intend to learn enough for the D- (+50%). Keep in mind that there is a lot of bad luck out there. I might injure a finger you know. And we all know that some teachers aren't fair. So, if I don't make a D- average, know that it is my intention is that I will next year. Can I have some money now?

I... don't really see the comparison here - it just strikes me as a silly conflation. The goal this season for a lot of us, was playoffs - not because that's the ultimate end goal, but because it was considered a reasonable expectation based on our roster, for this season. If MLSE throws an annual pop and chips party and starts playing Kool & The Gang because we make the post-season every year, and then get thrown out, I suspect fans won't be pleased.

Doing well in school is almost entirely based on how much individual time and effort you put into it. Pro sports teams have roster management to worry about, cap limits, contracts, and considerations like what players are even available to bring in. Unless RSL want to trade rosters with us, we have to lay our own groundwork, and that takes time (differences of opinion on what the best "groundwork" is, not withstanding).

As fans, you try to have realistic expectations, based on the team you have - but with the implicit expectation that your team will do what it can to ultimately win a championship. Getting invited to the playoff party is the first step on that road, and if/when we do that, then expectations are recalibrated. Assuming we make the playoffs this season, I suspect everyone here will expect more next season, with another off-season and transfer window to improve even more, and more roster churn opening up money to spend.

People need to lay off with the "celebrating mediocrity" caricature.

Derko
07-13-2014, 01:28 PM
Can't you guys just take the win and 3 points, and give all the analytical gibberish a break, the pretend Managerial Experts, and analysts. And do I mean pretend ANAL-ists.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 01:28 PM
Based on the current roster and the collective strength of the Eastern Conference, the playoffs should not be our goal, it should be a given. Our goal should be to secure one of the top playoff seeds in the conference and make some noise in the post season.

We are however a few pieces away from being a legitimate MLS Cup contender. Bez still has to try and strengthen our backline in my opinion, notably in the central defense and at right back. We could also use another creative wide midfielder, and a reliable goalkeeper to share the load with Bendik if Cesar does not return.

If this team had made the post-season in the past, I suspect expectations would be higher right now. Considering it has never happened in franchise history, I don't think anyone is ready to take it for granted, until that shameful history is finally behind us.

Considering playoffs "a given", when your team has literally never done it, seems a bit daft. We've still got roster holes, and I'm still not completely sold on our coach.

Redcoe15
07-13-2014, 01:37 PM
Is it too early to start pimping Defoe as league MVP? g:D

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 01:41 PM
Is it too early to start pimping Defoe as league MVP? g:D

He'd be in the final three, if the season ended today, I'd wager.

Kaz
07-13-2014, 01:42 PM
when we win, its because the other team sucks,when we lose its because we suck,Hall also made 2 or 3 great saves.thats futbol,we shouldn't of lost last week,i will take the 3 points,fun game love Saturday night games,lots of babes at the game lastnight.
Read the post before. A Win is a Win.. If we played and really just killed it I'd be happy. I rarely piss on the team after a win. In this case the goals were gifted. It doesn't take away from making the most of those gifts at all.

Oldtimer
07-13-2014, 02:02 PM
Can't you guys just take the win and 3 points, and give all the analytical gibberish a break, the pretend Managerial Experts, and analysts. And do I mean pretend ANAL-ists. They should, it's actually 6 points too because it's against a potential playoff spot rival.

I'll be thrilled to be at a post season match at BMO Field! Those who think it's not good enough can just stay home.

Oldtimer
07-13-2014, 02:04 PM
Read the post before. A Win is a Win.. If we played and really just killed it I'd be happy. I rarely piss on the team after a win. In this case the goals were gifted. It doesn't take away from making the most of those gifts at all. It's MLS, goals are usually gifted. This isn't the EPL.

Pookie
07-13-2014, 03:04 PM
If this team had made the post-season in the past, I suspect expectations would be higher right now. Considering it has never happened in franchise history, I don't think anyone is ready to take it for granted, until that shameful history is finally behind us.

Considering playoffs "a given", when your team has literally never done it, seems a bit daft. We've still got roster holes, and I'm still not completely sold on our coach.

Ironically, Nelsen is in the running for Coach of the Year if the wheels stay on track.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 03:14 PM
Ironically, Nelsen is in the running for Coach of the Year if the wheels stay on track.

I don't think he'll win it, if all TFC do is make the playoffs - anyone on earth would see that had way more to do with the addition of Defoe and Bradley (and Gilberto to a lesser extent). If they make it to the Cup final or something? Sure, I'd give him some consideration, if only because that's a stark turnaround in one year.

My mind still isn't really made up on Nelsen. Sometimes he seems to make some great decisions; other weeks I'm left scratching my head.

Alonso
07-13-2014, 03:35 PM
I don't think he'll win it, if all TFC do is make the playoffs - anyone on earth would see that had way more to do with the addition of Defoe and Bradley (and Gilberto to a lesser extent). If they make it to the Cup final or something? Sure, I'd give him some consideration, if only because that's a stark turnaround in one year.

My mind still isn't really made up on Nelsen. Sometimes he seems to make some great decisions; other weeks I'm left scratching my head.


It's hard to argue with the results so far, that's for sure.

But it has got to the point that he definitely gets the rest of the season with a secure place as coach.

Personally I want him to finish off this year and next. He seems to be making strides, and we all know that Kreis also had a similar learning curve before proving himself.

To me, as rookie coach, Nelsen is on track.

nonc
07-13-2014, 03:41 PM
Osorio's at least. Oduro's at least was a second ball.

Totally did not think there was rebound until I saw it again haha.

jazzy
07-13-2014, 03:47 PM
I'll call this the game Doniel Henry should model the rest of them after.

No crazy attempts to get stuck in every time, no brainfarts. Simple, positional, defending. That's it, all that's required.

Yes...AND I counted at least 10 blocked headers or shots, all dangerous . He kept us in the game in the first half . He proved himself above Hagglund whom I also believe is our future . He understands where the danger is during the game now . Our kids played well . Moore hasn't got the killer instinct , if he considers himself a striker . He had a clear shot in the first half , with Houston leaving a huge hole and he chose to pass it to god knows who in the corner out of harms way .

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2014, 03:49 PM
It's hard to argue with the results so far, that's for sure.

But it has got to the point that he definitely gets the rest of the season with a secure place as coach.

Personally I want him to finish off this year and next. He seems to be making strides, and we all know that Kreis also had a similar learning curve before proving himself.

To me, as rookie coach, Nelsen is on track.

Unless the team goes on a Winter-esque losing streak of 9-10 games, I'd tend to agree. I think Tim L has too much money (and too many words) invested in the narrative of TFC's turnaround this season, to give a flailing coach time to try and right a ship like that.

But if they keep on roughly the pace they're on, I think he probably starts next season as our coach still.

jazzy
07-13-2014, 03:58 PM
Watching the game on MLS.

First goal against was a great pass that split our central mid. Henry was outpaced by Barnes. Bloom had to step up.

Ultimately, Bendik has to make that save on the short side.

Second goal was Bloom making a poor choice and Oduro not coming back.

as some are suggesting recently I too am questioning our goalkeeping , He's not comfortable at all coming forward . He felt, I feel he should have had it, as great a shot as it was from Davies .

ps Henry is Cb , Bloom was caught out of position , and he simply saw Barnes beat Bloom (out of position), and tried to get over to Davis but couldn't beat the perfect pass and shoot . Too many bunched in the middle . Henry saved our bacon all day .

jazzy
07-13-2014, 04:08 PM
Missed the game, looks like a great comeback win.

Watching the highlights and Oduro looked pissed after scoring the tying goal. Was that in response to something specific during the game or was it just general frustration from having not yet scored until that point this season?

Think general frustration of not scoring , and on the first shot it should have been in but hit the goalie in the head as he was down .

jazzy
07-13-2014, 04:21 PM
Is it me or does TFC play more like a team without Bradley? Anyway, great win despite awful start.

Big game coming up on Wednesday against Vancouver. We can't drop anymore points at home so we need to pick up a win to move up in the standings.

This team is good enough to finish first in the east once everyone is healthy and had some time to get used to each other (we rarely see all 3 DP's playing together anymore).

thankfully re: Bradley someone else is seeing this. This is what I saw in New York and today, and I'm not in favour of the players giving up there game deferring to where or how Bradley is playing always at the expense of their 1rst anticipations . I hope I am wrong . But look at Osario's game without him . Give me a healthy Gilberto instead of Moore and I like our 'team' . I need help in how Bradley works within the team .

jazzy
07-13-2014, 04:35 PM
Two words: Collen Warner.

That being said, we should be that much stronger when Bradley is fit.

but not if Bradley is played out of position .

TFC07
07-13-2014, 04:47 PM
Honestly, Warner should come out if Bradley is going to start. Osorio and Bradley gives more balance in middle of midfield unlike Warner who strictly defensive midfield.

molenshtain
07-13-2014, 05:27 PM
Honestly, Warner should come out if Bradley is going to start. Osorio and Bradley gives more balance in middle of midfield unlike Warner who strictly defensive midfield.

He's not though. Ho often likes to charge forward and start the counter-attack.

Also, Bradley has barely been in the lineup since we've started clicking as a team. He's easily the best midfielder in the league and regardless of what area of the field he's playing or tactical instructions he's given, he'll add a lot to the team that nobody else can once he's fit and caught up.

barring any significant injury blows (fingers crossed as tight as a... well... you know) this team could make a serious push for the supporters shield and cup. This was way beyond my expectations for the season and is a testament to how well Bez has done in reshaping the roster and how well Nelsen has done at using his his pieces and building the squad brick by brick. Obviously we're going to need to get deeper and slightly better in a few areas if we're really going to want to challenge for the cup and become a perennial contender. But I see no reason why our progress would stall.

I think some people here really need to take in how far we've come from where we were and just be happy for a minute instead of this constant micro-analyzing on why we aren't the best team in the world.

Canary10
07-13-2014, 05:51 PM
This team is good enough to win the Eastern conference and finish top 4 overall. Top 4 is a serious goal in many leagues as we all know.

Pookie, I totally get your cynicism but making the playoffs would be a big accomplishment for this club. Your constant belittling it is pretty off putting.

At any rate I hope we do finish top four and even you might have to grudgingly get excited. :)

SKB
07-13-2014, 06:46 PM
Very exciting game. Great come back to get the win. There has been a lot of discussion around the play of Bloom but I think it is bit harsh to put the blame on him. Oduro was not dropping back to support the back four and Davis was dropping in behind and was wide open for much of the game. That is why Nelson subbed him off and moved Jackson over to cover Davis.

SKB
07-13-2014, 06:49 PM
I would like to just recognise Orr as a great addition to the club. He has been so valuable because he can play a variety of positions. He came in and replaced Caldwell and the team did not miss a beat. A real professional and always puts the team first.

OgtheDim
07-13-2014, 07:11 PM
Bradley is a significant upgrade on Osorio.

TorontoGooner
07-13-2014, 08:21 PM
Can't you guys just take the win and 3 points, and give all the analytical gibberish a break, the pretend Managerial Experts, and analysts. And do I mean pretend ANAL-ists.

This. 100%

Pookie
07-13-2014, 09:38 PM
This team is good enough to win the Eastern conference and finish top 4 overall. Top 4 is a serious goal in many leagues as we all know.

Pookie, I totally get your cynicism but making the playoffs would be a big accomplishment for this club. Your constant belittling it is pretty off putting.

At any rate I hope we do finish top four and even you might have to grudgingly get excited. :)

I would get excited for success in the playoffs, not getting in the playoffs.

Making the playoffs in most sports isn't a huge achievement. Just means you are better than >50% (or so) of the teams. Owners like playoffs as they charge significantly higher ticket prices and most leagues are designed to give the max number of owners a shot at this revenue. It's even worse in the NHL where they give points for losing to keep the "playoff race" close as long as they can, maximizing revenue through the season.

I do think it shows improvement if TFC make it but I don't see making it as any significant achievement. In any NA sport I would say the same with the exception of MLB back when you only had the division winners making it. 4 teams. It made winning the division important.

No one remembers the President's Trophy winners in hockey. That's not belittling a season long achievement, it's what NA sports seem to be focused on. Regular seasons don't matter.

It's all about which team can get hot in the playoffs. That sometimes comes down to matching up well against a particular opponent or a key injury.

Seasons are a grind and it is a shame that they really don't mean anything.

I would love to do away with the MLS Cup playoffs unless they want to adopt the MLB format from years back with the East winner vs the West winner.

As it stands now, MLS Cup playoffs are only slightly harder to qualify for than the CFL and that's too bad. But at least they don't give out points for losing or settle regular season games with a shoot out or other gimmicks to keep things entertaining.

The soccer itself has been quite an improvement this year.

ManUtd4ever
07-13-2014, 10:20 PM
If this team had made the post-season in the past, I suspect expectations would be higher right now. Considering it has never happened in franchise history, I don't think anyone is ready to take it for granted, until that shameful history is finally behind us.

Considering playoffs "a given", when your team has literally never done it, seems a bit daft. We've still got roster holes, and I'm still not completely sold on our coach.

I think that expectations for this season should be based on the potential of our squad as it's currently constructed, not tempered by the failure of previous inferior clubs.

If TFC barely makes the playoffs and gets eliminated in the first round, I would be content with a playoff appearance, but I wouldn't necessarily consider the season a success, despite the track record of the franchise. The measure of success is obviously subject to interpretation based on the reasonable expectations of an individual supporter, but in my opinion, a club with the most expensive roster in the league (and easily one of the most talented squads on paper) should set it's sights higher than merely qualifying for the playoffs in a league wherein over half of the clubs qualify.

Post season qualification in of itself would mark an accomplishment for this club; it would set a benchmark. However, I think our squad is more capable than a marginal playoff team, especially in the Eastern Conference.

Canary10
07-13-2014, 10:51 PM
I would get excited for success in the playoffs, not getting in the playoffs.

Making the playoffs in most sports isn't a huge achievement. Just means you are better than >50% (or so) of the teams. Owners like playoffs as they charge significantly higher ticket prices and most leagues are designed to give the max number of owners a shot at this revenue. It's even worse in the NHL where they give points for losing to keep the "playoff race" close as long as they can, maximizing revenue through the season.

I do think it shows improvement if TFC make it but I don't see making it as any significant achievement. In any NA sport I would say the same with the exception of MLB back when you only had the division winners making it. 4 teams. It made winning the division important.

No one remembers the President's Trophy winners in hockey. That's not belittling a season long achievement, it's what NA sports seem to be focused on. Regular seasons don't matter.

It's all about which team can get hot in the playoffs. That sometimes comes down to matching up well against a particular opponent or a key injury.

Seasons are a grind and it is a shame that they really don't mean anything.

I would love to do away with the MLS Cup playoffs unless they want to adopt the MLB format from years back with the East winner vs the West winner.

As it stands now, MLS Cup playoffs are only slightly harder to qualify for than the CFL and that's too bad. But at least they don't give out points for losing or settle regular season games with a shoot out or other gimmicks to keep things entertaining.

The soccer itself has been quite an improvement this year.

Yeah I agree with all that. But replace playoffs with our goal is to be mid to upper table team this year and you get the same thing. Don't think anyone is happy in the long-ish term with just being a playoff/mid-table team. This year ought to just be a step toward a team that can win.

GuelphStorm2007
07-13-2014, 10:56 PM
I would like to just recognise Orr as a great addition to the club. He has been so valuable because he can play a variety of positions. He came in and replaced Caldwell and the team did not miss a beat. A real professional and always puts the team first.

I agree I would put down as Orr maybe our smartest addition.

Dreadlocks
07-14-2014, 08:30 AM
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but when Caldwell went off injured, Henry got the captains arm band. This is a HUGE thing to me.

MKR
07-14-2014, 08:47 AM
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned but when Caldwell went off injured, Henry got the captains arm band. This is a HUGE thing to me.

I really liked seeing this as well and i think it was a great gesture.

In the past (and not that long ago) i have had some harsh criticism for Henry and TFC grown youth talent in general. But somewhere down the line around a month ago it seemed like Henry turned a corner and has been playing with a lot more stability and composure. I hope it continues. i want nothing but success for him.

Also can someone clarify why Bradley never suited up?

ManUtd4ever
07-14-2014, 09:01 AM
Regarding Bradley, my guess is that Nelsen realized it was a mistake to start him last week against DC, and he gave him the extra day off in anticipation of the game this Wednesday against Vancouver.

OgtheDim
07-14-2014, 09:06 AM
Regarding Bradley, my guess is that Nelsen realized it was a mistake to start him last week against DC, and he gave him the extra day off in anticipation of the game this Wednesday against Vancouver.

He took the blame for giving in to Bradley in the presser. Learning curve for a sophmore coach.

PopePouri
07-14-2014, 09:24 AM
I agree I would put down as Orr maybe our smartest addition.

Does Nelsen get some credit for bringing out Orr's versatility to our squad? He played RB only at Blackburn and QPR.

mowe
07-14-2014, 09:45 AM
He took the blame for giving in to Bradley in the presser. Learning curve for a sophmore coach.

But wasn't it bloody obvious? He goes 120 vs Belgium Tuesday, lands in Toronto Thursday, trains Friday, then starts Saturday? Give the man a week off. It was clear he deserved a break, doesn't take much coaching experience to realize that.

Initial B
07-14-2014, 09:58 AM
You know, for once I wasn't worring about a last minute Tobias-goal by TFC in the last 10 minutes. I think my 7-year PSTD might be subsiding!

Is there any possibility that Nelsen could run a 4-3-3 formation at some point? You could have 3 CMs with Warner playing a defensive role, Bradley playing box-to-box, and Osorio playing more of an attacking role. Play Gilberto/Moore/Dike as target forwards and Defoe/Moore/Oduro/Jackson as wingers and we might have some potent offence.

portu
07-14-2014, 10:08 AM
The one worry I have about keeping Bradley Orr is that his wages will be astronomical like Caldwell's were (80k to 364k?!). I'd take Orr on 170 max next season if we don't see a massive rise in the cap (2 mill or more).

Real class guy though and he seems to be really invested in the club. I remember against DC he was pulling his hair out and cheering the boys on like everyone else watching the last few minutes.

C.Ronaldo
07-14-2014, 10:18 AM
I was saying that on the way home.

I don't know what it is, if he messes with people's mojo or if he plays at a different pace or what.

1) pace
2) plays on a different page
3) he can be intimidating

I would keep bradley as a laba type player for now, while going up every now and then. This would give everyone more confidence to push up and play a high line.

I know bradley is slightly wasted there, but thats where he can be most valuable right now.

OgtheDim
07-14-2014, 10:22 AM
Two epic fails at the beginning of the game I forgot about due to the glow of the result:


a) Rey picture instead of Oduro for the player announcements :facepalm:

b) they didn't turn down the music for the anthem :toetap05:


Oh, and nice of them to show us that the draw for free ice cream bars isn't a draw at all - clean TV shot of only one ball in the container.

T-boy
07-14-2014, 11:20 AM
Two epic fails at the beginning of the game I forgot about due to the glow of the result:


a) Rey picture instead of Oduro for the player announcements :facepalm:

b) they didn't turn down the music for the anthem :toetap05:


Oh, and nice of them to show us that the draw for free ice cream bars isn't a draw at all - clean TV shot of only one ball in the container.

Has the south end EVER won the pizza slice or ice cream, or anything at all?! I don't recall any supporters section winning ever! (I guess free stuff is reserved for the expensive seats!).

eustacchio
07-14-2014, 11:43 AM
Two epic fails at the beginning of the game I forgot about due to the glow of the result:


a) Rey picture instead of Oduro for the player announcements :facepalm:

b) they didn't turn down the music for the anthem :toetap05:


Oh, and nice of them to show us that the draw for free ice cream bars isn't a draw at all - clean TV shot of only one ball in the container.

Also, I don't know if anybody has mentioned the fact that they played Just Can't Get Enough at the end of the game. I wish I could have seen my face.


Has the south end EVER won the pizza slice or ice cream, or anything at all?! I don't recall any supporters section winning ever! (I guess free stuff is reserved for the expensive seats!).

I got a free burrito once. Not sure if it was a contest/draw, but they were handing them out.

Supporting
07-14-2014, 11:57 AM
There were a couple ppl in front of me that were trying to start the bounce, but the capo stopped them. Then they got rlly pissed and started swearing/yelling at the capo, it was pretty funny aha

Alonso
07-14-2014, 12:12 PM
Has the south end EVER won the pizza slice or ice cream, or anything at all?! I don't recall any supporters section winning ever! (I guess free stuff is reserved for the expensive seats!).


My row won the pizza earlier this season (April I think), supporter section 119.

TFC07
07-14-2014, 12:33 PM
Has the south end EVER won the pizza slice or ice cream, or anything at all?! I don't recall any supporters section winning ever! (I guess free stuff is reserved for the expensive seats!).

That's not true at all. Winners usually come from either second deck on West Stand while cheaper East stand seats have been winning pizza lately. Once in a while, north end section wins something.

Phil
07-14-2014, 12:36 PM
There were a couple ppl in front of me that were trying to start the bounce, but the capo stopped them. Then they got rlly pissed and started swearing/yelling at the capo, it was pretty fun aha

We are pretty careful about doing the bounce now due to launching into it then having the result go against us.

Not sure where you get 'fun' from swearing or yelling at the capo.

Supporting
07-14-2014, 12:41 PM
We are pretty careful about doing the bounce now due to launching into it then having the result go against us.

Not sure where you get 'fun' from swearing or yelling at the capo.
Sorry I meant funny and funny as in they were stupid. That post was meant to call them out.

Cuppy
07-14-2014, 12:56 PM
My row won the pizza earlier this season (April I think), supporter section 119.
Last weeks DC game section 113 row 13 won the ice cream.

Phil
07-14-2014, 01:00 PM
Sorry I meant funny and funny as in they were stupid. That post was meant to call them out.

Cool. I have a lot of respect for what the capo does and how much he has to put up with.

Abou Sky
07-14-2014, 03:21 PM
We are pretty careful about doing the bounce now due to launching into it then having the result go against us.


Ya... I don't bounce until it is over

I have, however stopped trying to stop people, although it makes me want to cover my eyes.

Derko
07-14-2014, 04:15 PM
Has the south end EVER won the pizza slice or ice cream, or anything at all?! I don't recall any supporters section winning ever! (I guess free stuff is reserved for the expensive seats!).

Nor has the upper 110 supporters section :drinking:

Pint
07-14-2014, 04:24 PM
We are pretty careful about doing the bounce now due to launching into it then having the result go against us.

Not sure where you get 'fun' from swearing or yelling at the capo.

reserved for the 97th min even if we only get 3 min of added time... or are winning by 25. Love the bounce but it's a dangerous song