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Joe Kool
07-04-2014, 12:28 PM
So everyone still hung over from the Wednesday match? I didn't see a match thread so I created one. Looks like we got Gilberto and Moore out since I doubt the red card appeal seems to be working. Bradley says he is ready for Saturday. We could see a different formation maybe or they will throw DeRo in there against his old team for the first 60 min. Will be interesting game nevertheless. Too bad they changed the time from 4PM to 7PM because now I can't go in person.

Go REDS!!!

Pint
07-04-2014, 01:22 PM
Lovitz and Bradley are both available for selection and i suspect we will see both tomorrow.

Bendik
Bloom - Hagglund - Caldwell - Morrow
Oduro - Warner - Bradley - Osorio
Defoe - Dero

notthesun
07-04-2014, 01:29 PM
I'm still gonna guess Bradley starts on the bench, although it wouldn't surprise me if he is in the eleven. With Gilberto and Moore out (how in the hell does the disciplinary committee not remove that suspension?) I would like to see Nelsen go 4-4-1-1 rather than two even strikers up top. DeRo doesn't have the speed to lead the line anymore. Play Osorio or DeRo in the pocket. Unless he decides to play Oduro up front, but I'm really liking him on the wing.

OgtheDim
07-04-2014, 01:42 PM
http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/07/04/ryan-nelsen-july-4-2014

Nelsen implies Bradley has to work his way back to earn a place in the team. Says it twice in 3 minutes.

:icon_bs:

Also says Bradley insisted on coming back right away and training.

Ultra & Proud
07-04-2014, 01:49 PM
Nelsen implies Bradley has to work his way back to earn a place in the team.

I know it's all about saying the right things but c'mon. It's like having a Victoria Secret model climb into bed with you and telling her she isn't getting anything until she buys you dinner and woos you. Not happening.

CommradePolski
07-04-2014, 01:54 PM
Heres what I think will be played:

Bendik
Bloom-Hagglund-Caldwell-Morrow
Osorio-Warner-Bekker-Jackson
Oduro-Defoe

I think it will be Oduro and Defoe out front. Bradley sees time if we need him to help get 3 points otherwise I think he waits on the bench.

Cas87
07-04-2014, 02:05 PM
Heres what I think will be played:

Bendik
Bloom-Hagglund-Caldwell-Morrow
Osorio-Warner-Bekker-Jackson
Oduro-Defoe

I think it will be Oduro and Defoe out front. Bradley sees time if we need him to help get 3 points otherwise I think he waits on the bench.


I say it is exactly like this, maybe with Warner playing a little behind the other 3 MIDs

portu
07-04-2014, 02:48 PM
Can't wait to be back at BMO again! Hopefully we can play some reasonably attractive football so long as we can stay calm and not get carded to a crazy extent.

COME ON YOU REDS!

portu
07-04-2014, 02:51 PM
BTW if Jackson starts this game I will have a fit

tfcocd
07-04-2014, 03:21 PM
Heres what I think will be played:

Bendik
Bloom-Hagglund-Caldwell-Morrow
Osorio-Warner-Bekker-Jackson
Oduro-Defoe

I think it will be Oduro and Defoe out front. Bradley sees time if we need him to help get 3 points otherwise I think he waits on the bench.

Orr if healthy might be better option than Bekker? He did set Defoe up for a nice goal v NY and maybe with two targets running at DC backline we can see a few more killer passes. Obviously Bradley would be the better choice here but failing him 'earning' his spot back Orr may provide more than Bekker.

CommradePolski
07-04-2014, 04:03 PM
I think Orr and Warner are too similar which is why I think Bekker gets the nod to go forward and Warner to stay back.

Kaz
07-04-2014, 07:08 PM
I'd love to see Dero to start against DC and sub in Bradley in at the 60 minute mark.

I suspect. the above is close but my money is on henry starting.

I'd love to see

Bloom - Hagglund - Caldwell - Morrow

Osorio - Warner - DeRo- Jackson

--------Oduro - Defoe-------------

BuSaPuNk
07-04-2014, 07:29 PM
@SNGerryDobson: #TFC's Luke Moore red car rescinded by MLS.

reggie
07-04-2014, 07:29 PM
red card to moore is recinded,able to play tomorrow.

reggie
07-04-2014, 07:34 PM
@SNGerryDobson: #TFC's Luke Moore red car rescinded by MLS.

beat me to it...why is the mls looking at his red car..g:D

Slick
07-04-2014, 07:48 PM
Glad to see the league making the right call on Moore. Now, let's make sure Stoica doesn't get to ref another game.

BuSaPuNk
07-04-2014, 07:51 PM
beat me to it...why is the mls looking at his red car..g:D

Hahaha didn't notice it till the second read.

Good to see but would love to know what punishment will be handed to the ref. He's had 3 of 6 red cards this season rescinded.

Kaz
07-04-2014, 07:56 PM
Well that is good news.

Supporting
07-04-2014, 09:27 PM
BTW if Jackson starts this game I will have a fit

he scored man relax....

portu
07-04-2014, 10:03 PM
on a free header... and if you watched the whole Chi game than you would have seen the amount of times that he wasted attacks

Abou Sky
07-04-2014, 10:03 PM
I am pissed that I have to miss this game. It should be a good wedding, but dammit!

Supporting
07-04-2014, 10:07 PM
on a free header... and if you watched the whole Chi game than you would have seen the amount of times that he wasted attacks

Not a free header, he had to get into a great position to make himself "free". And yes, he did not offensively play amazing, but he did have a goal, and played pretty solid defensively.

More goals than Gilberto ;)

portu
07-04-2014, 10:23 PM
Not a free header, he had to get into a great position to make himself "free".

I think the Chicago defence is more responsible for letting Jackson go free there, but I guess your right - he had the mind to go into the area.

I'm still not a Jackson fan though. I'd prefer to see Oso and Oduro on the wings once we're at full strength.

Red CB Toronto
07-04-2014, 10:32 PM
I am pissed that I have to miss this game. It should be a good wedding, but dammit!

Hopefully you are back in action next Saturday?

OgtheDim
07-05-2014, 06:13 AM
Not a free header, he had to get into a great position to make himself "free". And yes, he did not offensively play amazing, but he did have a goal, and played pretty solid defensively.

More goals than Gilberto ;)

Oh please. He got into the 6 yard box and stood there while two defenders assumed each other were taking him. Whever he gets the ball near the area, players back off because they know he will do nothing with it and want to encourage him to shoot. Yes, he's good at defending but going forward, he's a liability.

Lumpy
07-05-2014, 07:29 AM
Oh please. He got into the 6 yard box and stood there while two defenders assumed each other were taking him. Whever he gets the ball near the area, players back off because they know he will do nothing with it and want to encourage him to shoot. Yes, he's good at defending but going forward, he's a liability.

Maybe some of the other guys like Osorio and Bekker and many others should play good defence and then play stupid on offence like Jackson does. It might help them score their first goal.

Abou Sky
07-05-2014, 07:51 AM
Hopefully you are back in action next Saturday?

Should be.

As for Jackson, he isn't a world beater, but he is good defensively and starting to put in the odd good cross.

I think that calling that goal dumb luck is excessive.

OgtheDim
07-05-2014, 11:38 AM
FWIW,

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/p180x540/65442_10152132382486805_2502636834214097579_n.jpg

Now they are just trolling.

Moore starts as does Morrow. Bekker starting wouldn't surprise me.

Pint
07-05-2014, 11:42 AM
With Moore available he will start, which pushes oduro back into mid and osorio into the middle. The person who puts this out either picks names from a hat or intentionally puts out a strange lineup for clicks and conversation.

flamehawk
07-05-2014, 11:48 AM
With Moore available he will start, which pushes oduro back into mid and osorio into the middle. The person who puts this out either picks names from a hat or intentionally puts out a strange lineup for clicks and conversation.

I don't think tehy have gotten a single 'projection' right .. it's pretty hilarious

vince93
07-05-2014, 11:51 AM
NEW YORK — Major League Soccer’s independent review panel has taken back the fine and one-game suspension it placed on Toronto FC forward Luke Moore earlier this week.Moore was issued a red card and was ejected in the 29th minute of TFC’s 1-1 draw against the Chicago Fire on Wednesday. He collided with Fire midfielder Chris Ritter, appearing to elbow Ritter in the right temple.Ritter temporarily left the game but was back within three minutes with his head bandaged. Toronto played the final hour with 10 men.TFC submitted an appeal for review of the play, and the appeal was unanimously upheld Friday.Toronto FC hosts D.C. United on Saturday.

oranje boven
07-05-2014, 12:02 PM
Whether he starts or comes on as a sub, I hope Bradley gets one of the biggest ovations ever to be heard at BMO....

jloome
07-05-2014, 12:06 PM
FWIW,

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/p180x540/65442_10152132382486805_2502636834214097579_n.jpg

Now they are just trolling.

Moore starts as does Morrow. Bekker starting wouldn't surprise me.

That lineup is actually provided to them by TFC.... which actually makes a fair amount of sense, since no team is going to give out the ACTUAL starting lineup a day before a game.

Jpexxx
07-05-2014, 12:48 PM
Poor Weideman :(

notthesun
07-05-2014, 01:56 PM
Those projected lineups are a social marketing tool to get people talking about the game before it starts. They're purposefully inaccurate so that they generate discussion.

Cashcleaner
07-05-2014, 02:19 PM
Kinda quiet in here for a gameday thread, isn't it? Ah well...

Conditions today at kick-off are gonna be sunny with a temperature of around 22-24 degrees. We may have a bit of a breeze by the lake. All said, pretty good conditions for a soccer match.

DC United is currently sitting tied for first place in the East with 25 points after 16 matches. They've got a Goal Differential of +5, have accumulated 1.56 Points Per Game, and are coming off a home loss to Seattle played a week ago. Their top goal scorer is Espindola (7) who also leads them in assists (8). Honestly, if we can grab a win from DC today it would do us wonders. Obviously a win against any Eastern team that's higher in the standings is something to strive for, but we could definitely use the points after the Moore situation that screwed us on Wednesday.

Should be a great day for a win. :D

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 02:37 PM
Espindola is injured, ruthlessly tackled in the first minute of their game against Montreal by Felipe right before the break.

I think we'll win today. D.C. will find it hard to score without him and I see Defoe creating a lot against two 30+ cb's.

Kaz
07-05-2014, 02:37 PM
I don't think tehy have gotten a single 'projection' right .. it's pretty hilarious

I'm almost sure it is intentional.

Shakes McQueen
07-05-2014, 03:13 PM
Whether he starts or comes on as a sub, I hope Bradley gets one of the biggest ovations ever to be heard at BMO....

I hope Bradley gets cheered for being Bradley, but why would he get one of the biggest ovations in BMO history? For playing in the WC for the United States and not winning it? It's not even like he had a particularly good tournament.

If by some stroke of luck Cesar wins the WC and actually comes back to Toronto, then give him an ovation for the accomplishment.

Shakes McQueen
07-05-2014, 03:14 PM
TSN.ca is saying Bradley is expected to be "in the lineup" today. I'll be shocked if he plays though. Dude needs at least one match to rest and adjust.

mowe
07-05-2014, 03:34 PM
I'm certain Nelson will rest Bradley. After this game we have a week off then it's games Sat-Wed-Sat-Wed-Sat-Wed-Sun. We need him for that stretch.

jabbronies
07-05-2014, 03:56 PM
No offence to Bradley, but he's not the best person to say wether he is match fit or not.

That guy could have no legs and no arms are still think he is match fit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4&feature=kp

OgtheDim
07-05-2014, 04:12 PM
Armless Black Knight vs. Caldwell


hmmmmm...

portu
07-05-2014, 04:33 PM
I really don't see the point of resting Bradley for this game, if the US had won Bradley would have gone the 90 today.

I say play him and rest him Wednesday. This is a MASSIVE game in the playoff picture.

flamehawk
07-05-2014, 04:48 PM
I am hoping that Costa Rica scores before the end of the 90 so I can leave for the TFC game

notthesun
07-05-2014, 05:11 PM
Starting XI: Bendik, Bloom, Caldwell, Hagglund, Morrow, Jackson, Bradley, Warner, Orr, Moore, Defoe

Bench: Konopka, Henry, Bekker, Osorio, DeRo, Lovitz, Oduro

Hagglund over Henry again, Bradley starts, missing another winger in midfield. Interesting.

mowe
07-05-2014, 05:17 PM
Oso and Oduro dropped

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 05:21 PM
Starting XI: Bendik, Bloom, Caldwell, Hagglund, Morrow, Jackson, Bradley, Warner, Orr, Moore, Defoe

Bench: Konopka, Henry, Bekker, Osorio, DeRo, Lovitz, Oduro

Hagglund over Henry again, Bradley starts, missing another winger in midfield. Interesting.

4-5-1? with Moore on the wing? that or it's bloom at RM again, which would be awful.

portu
07-05-2014, 05:21 PM
Maybe Warner at LM and Orr at CM like versus Kansas?

notthesun
07-05-2014, 05:22 PM
I'm surprised Oduro has been dropped. Really been appreciating his speed on the wings.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 05:27 PM
Midfield rotation isn't a bad thing. I would say Osorio and Oduro are being rested more than anything else.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 05:41 PM
sure, It would just make more sense to rest them next week against a shit Houston team rather than against a good D.C. team.

SirBobSaget
07-05-2014, 05:50 PM
Warner played wing on his debut so guessing will be same today

rocktml
07-05-2014, 05:58 PM
Live stream anyone?

Soccerpro
07-05-2014, 06:04 PM
Live stream?

dantdot
07-05-2014, 06:05 PM
http://cricfree.eu/tsn-2-live-stream.php

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 06:08 PM
http://cricfree.eu/tsn-2-live-stream.php

Thank you!

Soccerpro
07-05-2014, 06:09 PM
Does that work for you?

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 06:10 PM
Does that work for you?


Yep!

notthesun
07-05-2014, 06:10 PM
http://ifirstrow.eu/watch/268282/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-dc-united.html

Link 1 or 2

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 06:18 PM
I have a good feeling about this one.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 06:22 PM
Barely offside and Defoe flubbed the shot but I'm happy to see Jackson pass that rather than shoot and more likely than not waste the chance.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 06:25 PM
looks like a 4-2-3-1 from what I can tell. Orr and warner in the pivot and Bradley in between of Moore and Jackson?

notthesun
07-05-2014, 06:30 PM
Bradley is indeed playing quite high. Looking like an AM that drops deep when necessary rather than a CM that pushes up.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 06:36 PM
the Warner for Issey trade looks better by the minute.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 06:36 PM
Good chance for Defoe, too bad he had to use his left. Good cover from Birnbaum.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 06:37 PM
the Warner for Issey trade looks better by the minute.

Agreed!

PopePouri
07-05-2014, 06:37 PM
Looks like a 4-3-3 with Moore staying high up the pitch.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 06:43 PM
1-0 with a more accurate cross from Morrow. Just a bit too far for Defoe.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 06:50 PM
impressive possession play so far.

Couchy81
07-05-2014, 07:00 PM
Yea we look pretty good, should get more chances second half if all remains the same.

mowe
07-05-2014, 07:00 PM
Pretty good half. We're creating chances. Only a matter a time for a goal.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 07:01 PM
We're clearly the better team, that pass or piece of skill in the final third is missing. I think it's over if we score even one.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 07:02 PM
Pretty boring half. Basically one man show up top + the late arriving Bradley. Need a few other guys to start threatening, but DCU look kinda tame by comparison.

Nigel Reid: you know your awful at interviewing when your questions already contain the answers within them.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 07:06 PM
Nigel Reid: you know your awful at interviewing when your questions already contain the answers within them.

Probably went to the Lee Godfrey school of journalism.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 07:14 PM
.....

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 07:23 PM
Horse shit

notthesun
07-05-2014, 07:25 PM
Of course. D.C. has done nothing all game so we give them something to do.

Anything less than 3 points from this game is a massive disappointment.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 07:26 PM
Team needs to get on the front foot a little more. Defensive breakdown sure, but we need more urgency to score.

Couchy81
07-05-2014, 07:30 PM
Finally, god damn.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:31 PM
Fuck yes!

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 07:39 PM
Yeah... not a good game for Haglund.

mowe
07-05-2014, 07:39 PM
Our set piece defending is atrocious.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:40 PM
"Look how many red shirts there are back defending."

It doesn't fucking matter if you just stand around and watch the ball.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:40 PM
We can play better than this. Come on, boys!

gracos
07-05-2014, 07:41 PM
2 out of 9 Pts since the WC this is just unacceptable

Couchy81
07-05-2014, 07:41 PM
lol this game is unreal. how can they score 2 goals, doesn't even make sense.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 07:42 PM
Ignoring Hagglund for a second, how in the hell does Bendik stay on his line there? He was utterly useless on that play. It's in your six yard box man, come out and punch it.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:46 PM
Bathroom should have gotten a yellow for that.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 07:47 PM
Good game for Jackson today I thought.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:48 PM
Good game for Jackson today I thought.

Definitely. Worked his ass off.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:54 PM
It's like we don't want to win this match, or even score another goal. All that buildup always wasted.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 07:54 PM
Just not enough invention from this group of players. When it comes to breaking down a team that's defensively set, very few are offering anything.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 07:55 PM
That's lucky for us. He should have been sent off.

Gantar as usual an amatuer, but at least to our advantage.

Edit: okay, well then...

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 07:56 PM
The decision to take off Orr meant we lost control of the midfield. Poor, Poor decision from Nelsen.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 07:57 PM
That actually did look like a handball on Defoe's shot but with the number we've gotten away with I can't complain.

mowe
07-05-2014, 07:58 PM
Can't argue that red. Not a good night for Hagglund.

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:58 PM
Just not enough invention from this group of players. When it comes to breaking down a team that's defensively set, very few are offering anything.

What's been killing us this match is a poor defensive display.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 07:58 PM
today sucks

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 07:58 PM
The decision to take off Orr meant we lost control of the midfield. Poor, Poor decision from Nelsen.

Is he re-injured?

Couchy81
07-05-2014, 07:59 PM
The decision to take off Orr meant we lost control of the midfield. Poor, Poor decision from Nelsen.

Agreed, nothing should have changed at half. We just needed to keep getting the chances with our possession.

JavierMartini
07-05-2014, 08:00 PM
moore was fouled hard before that play even happened , after the shot was blocked the whistle should have been blown for no advantage, no?

or at least a yellow for the foul , bah.

Wingback6
07-05-2014, 08:01 PM
My my my. This team seems to be getting worse every game. Gotta say that every trade so far looks like a bad idea. More dropped points...

But something tells me that Nelsen is the kind of bloke who doesn't want to win, if it isn't with HIS guys. The team was winning, we moved pieces, took some guys off, because they have unconventional skill sets... and now the team looks win-less in three.

Blame Bekker, somehow.... or Morgan..

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 08:01 PM
What's been killing us this match is a poor defensive display.
Defence hasn't been great, but we generated a few okay opportunities in the first half and not a lot else.

We got lethargic and paid for it.

JavierMartini
07-05-2014, 08:01 PM
Agreed, nothing should have changed at half. We just needed to keep getting the chances with our possession.

He's being schooled by Ben Olsen

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 08:02 PM
It wouldn't hurt for people at BMO to make some noise. The place was a ghost town - even during the first half.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 08:03 PM
What's been killing us this match is a poor defensive display.

Nah. Two individual mistakes, on the giveaway for the first and Hagglund's poor marking/Bendik's staying on the line for the second. We haven't been broken down all game, seriously. D.C. has not fashioned a single chance themselves.

It's our offense. Completely out of ideas once D.C. is set in front of their box. We only score on the counter.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 08:04 PM
Is he re-injured?

Nope, or so says Kristian Jack. I guess Nelsen just wanted pace on the wings. Osorio and Bradley should also have reversed roles today.

gracos
07-05-2014, 08:05 PM
2/9 = 22.2% since the WC break; these games I feel are critical to see if TFC will go to the postseason and we just haven't lived up to any expectations of advancing to postseason; 8 years of no playoffs is just wrong and why have we not learned to cope because of turnover of coaches and players

Mark TFC
07-05-2014, 08:06 PM
Fuck.

mowe
07-05-2014, 08:06 PM
This is why we needed to win the last two road games. There are going to be slip ups at home. We're starting to lose ground.

Soccerpro
07-05-2014, 08:07 PM
These are the types of games TFC have to win if they want to be an elite team. They didn't show very much today.

If you're going to acquire Dominic Oduro, at least give him the ball and let him try to run at someone once in a while. Otherwise, why did you trade for him?

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 08:09 PM
This is why we needed to win the last two road games. There are going to be slip ups at home. We're starting to lose ground.

Everyone needs to calm down on this one. We're in a playoff position with three games at hand. We're not losing ground, just slightly stuttering. every team has these small runs of poor form.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 08:14 PM
These are the types of games TFC have to win if they want to be an elite team. They didn't show very much today.

If you're going to acquire Dominic Oduro, at least give him the ball and let him try to run at someone once in a while. Otherwise, why did you trade for him?
The thing about Oduro is that he needs space out on the flank or in behind the defence to be effective. In a game where we're down a goal and the other team has left no space in behind, he has very few tools that will allow him to be effective.

Sacrificing him or Jackson for someone like Lovitz was an inevitability. That being said, I would prefer if we had a higher quality version of Lovitz who we could just start in the first place and be more positive about our play.

cochrdoc
07-05-2014, 08:14 PM
Another goal given up from a corner,another red card.What will be the excuse this week.Bradley would have played 90 minutes today in Brazil.Fuck give him the rest of the week off,but leave him on the field.DC were below us last year and are now in first place in the division with a lower pay roll.This team will have a hard time making the play-offs.I have never seen a team shot itself in the foot so much.

Stryker
07-05-2014, 08:16 PM
Caldwell throwing away possession by needless hoofs upfield.
Warner wasting corners.
Jackson throwing away good looking attacks by skying it over the net.
These three things have/will cost us half a dozen points over the course of a season.
Sort it out Nelson.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 08:16 PM
Nope, or so says Kristian Jack. I guess Nelsen just wanted pace on the wings. Osorio and Bradley should also have reversed roles today.
Bradley looked flat all game. If he was going to play the starting role was the right choice as Osorio's level of energy compared to everyone else on the field definitely worked to our advantage when he came on.

nonc
07-05-2014, 08:16 PM
Leave it to TFC to make DeLeon look like Messi.

notthesun
07-05-2014, 08:18 PM
Nelsen needs to figure out the attack. Quickly.

Our defense is fine. It's above average compared to the rest of the league, in fact. Individual mistakes hurt us today, and every so often they'll hurt us again. It won't matter as long as we start scoring.

Isn't it ironic so many of us here were criticizing our heavy bunkering tactics pre-WC break, and now that we've started to possess more of the ball and have more of the play, we're dropping points? Our attack is clueless when the other team is defensively set. Our goal today came off a quick counter from midfield. We've now outplayed our last three opponents and gotten 2 draws, and it's because we can't break down defenses. We only score through counters, defense-splitting balls from deep in midfield, and the occasional set piece. Once a team is defensively set outside the area, we're useless.

Maybe we should just go back to bunkering. At least when we were getting hammered, the few chances we'd create were quality because they were dangerous counters.

Other things:

- Henry for Hagglund next game
- Bendik should have came off his line and punched to prevent the second goal
- Good bounce back game for Jackson
- Nelsen should have subbed Bradley in rather than starting him. Maybe just shouldn't have played him at all. Really had no impact.

PopePouri
07-05-2014, 08:29 PM
Another goal given up from a corner,another red card.What will be the excuse this week.Bradley would have played 90 minutes today in Brazil.Fuck give him the rest of the week off,but leave him on the field.DC were below us last year and are now in first place in the division with a lower pay roll.This team will have a hard time making the play-offs.I have never seen a team shot itself in the foot so much.

DC traded for a lot of aging MLS experience in the offseason. Good for them but it's won't be sustainable after this or the following season.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 08:29 PM
Maybe we should just go back to bunkering. At least when we were getting hammered, the few chances we'd create were quality because they were dangerous counters.

What you're seeing is other teams adapting TFC with Defoe, and subsequently TFC having to adapt themselves.

The opportunity to sit back defensively and counter simply isn't there anymore. Other teams know that's our plan A and don't want to play into it.

OgtheDim
07-05-2014, 08:30 PM
Crowd was noisier then the last game.

Bradley played timid. Should not have played.

DCU is a decent team. Organised, but I sense of once they get behind, they would crack.


Deserved red on Hagglund.

Some decent interplay between Moore and Defoe.


Brain farts killed us.

I'm going to ignore people who come on here only when we lose.

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 08:32 PM
DC traded for a lot of aging MLS experience in the offseason. Good for them but it's won't be sustainable after this or the following season.
I don't see the issue. All the "old" guys are in their late twenties or very early thirties, everyone else is young.

We have better options because we have more money, but considering their budget I don't think it's that bad of a way to build a team.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 08:35 PM
Too bad they spent a hunk of money on the walking corpse that is Eddie Johnson. Him always being on the field kind of puts a ceiling on how good that team can be in the long-term.

PopePouri
07-05-2014, 08:40 PM
I don't see the issue. All the "old" guys are in their late twenties or very early thirties, everyone else is young.

We have better options because we have more money, but considering their budget I don't think it's that bad of a way to build a team.

Their starting players Boswell, Rolfe, Johnson, Parke, Arnaud are all in their 30s. It's a good short term solution but they will have to rebuild after this season or the next.

portu
07-05-2014, 08:44 PM
Too bad they spent a hunk of money on the walking corpse that is Eddie Johnson. Him always being on the field kind of puts a ceiling on how good that team can be in the long-term.

Class guy though. I had a conversation with him at the tunnel after the game because I was waiting in 123 for Olsen to come by so that I could rip into his constant whining.

Anyways, I made diving gestures at him and he admitted to diving in the 1st half and said that he felt bad. Shook hands in the end, really changed my view of him as just a money whore.

Marc"2L"
07-05-2014, 08:59 PM
Got a Bradley kit tonight, hope I don't regret that...

ag futbol
07-05-2014, 09:07 PM
Their starting players Boswell, Rolfe, Johnson, Parke, Arnaud are all in their 30s. It's a good short term solution but they will have to rebuild after this season or the next.
Just because they are in their 30s doesn't mean they are going to fall apart. I mean really:

Jeff Park = 32 , Steven Caldwell = 33
Bobby Boswell = 31, Bradley Orr = 31
Eddie Johnson = 30, Germaine Defoe = 31
Arnaud = 34, Dero = 36

And the list goes on.... we're not going to be rebuilding in two years any more than they are.

Marc"2L"
07-05-2014, 09:21 PM
It wouldn't hurt for people at BMO to make some noise. The place was a ghost town - even during the first half.
We're you at the game?

OgtheDim
07-05-2014, 09:29 PM
Another game crying out for Dike or a pest like Gilberto. Moore is OK and he moves Defenders around. But nobody minds playing against him. Need a bit more grit up there.

molenshtain
07-05-2014, 09:33 PM
Another game crying out for Dike or a pest like Gilberto. Moore is OK and he moves Defenders around. But nobody minds playing against him. Need a bit more grit up there.

yep. I think the difference between Columbus and today was Gilberto. He would have added some sort of inventiveness and intensity. Moore is a great third striker or winger, but Gilberto is still more talented and adds something the team can really lack at points like we did today.

greatwhitenorf
07-05-2014, 09:37 PM
Not impressed by Oduro tonight. Fleet of foot but not of mind. He might be new to the team, but he's played enough MLS now to know his way around. Showed little ball sense or skill. Not unlike how Jackson has played too often this season. Having them both out there is a gamble.

Orr, on the other hand, is a triumph of substance over style. Anticipates very well.

Defoe showed a lot of skill killing well-struck balls that fizzed into his feet.

reggie
07-05-2014, 09:56 PM
bendik make a f@@@ing save.brutal second goal,time to give konopa a game.

T-boy
07-05-2014, 10:00 PM
Not impressed by Oduro tonight. Fleet of foot but not of mind. He might be new to the team, but he's played enough MLS now to know his way around. Showed little ball sense or skill. Not unlike how Jackson has played too often this season. Having them both out there is a gamble.

Orr, on the other hand, is a triumph of substance over style. Anticipates very well.

Defoe showed a lot of skill killing well-struck balls that fizzed into his feet.

Totally agree with you here. Orr wasn't spectacular in the first half, but he also didn't allow any play in the midfield, closed down DC, and DC didn't threaten at all.

The game changes when Oduro came on, he constantly made the wrong choice, passed to wrong players, wasn't thinking quickly. And losing Orr from midfield just game DC room to play and then go onto win. Bad decision by Nelson to take off Orr.

I was in 114, and my perception was that it was VERY quiet tonight in the crowd. Apart from the 5 or 6 kinda drunk guys at the back making some nice noise, it was quiet. A bit of noise from 112 but there were a lot of tourists around me that didn't know any chant at all today.

I didn't enjoy today's game. TFC didn't look like they knew how to break down DC. They needed to show more urgency BEFORE the 89th minute, and they never upped their game. It was disappointing after a run of good results.

Marc"2L"
07-05-2014, 10:22 PM
It wouldn't hurt for people at BMO to make some noise. The place was a ghost town - even during the first half.


Totally agree with you here. Orr wasn't spectacular in the first half, but he also didn't allow any play in the midfield, closed down DC, and DC didn't threaten at all.

The game changes when Oduro came on, he constantly made the wrong choice, passed to wrong players, wasn't thinking quickly. And losing Orr from midfield just game DC room to play and then go onto win. Bad decision by Nelson to take off Orr.

I was in 114, and my perception was that it was VERY quiet tonight in the crowd. Apart from the 5 or 6 kinda drunk guys at the back making some nice noise, it was quiet. A bit of noise from 112 but there were a lot of tourists around me that didn't know any chant at all today.

I didn't enjoy today's game. TFC didn't look like they knew how to break down DC. They needed to show more urgency BEFORE the 89th minute, and they never upped their game. It was disappointing after a run of good results.

I think the World Cup game had a bit to do with it, I didn't get there till after kick off and waiting for the atm. Same at the half, when we scored I didn't even know we were behind. A lot of people just seeing the game out because they had tickets.

I talked to some dcu fans that made the trip, thanked them and wished them well with the stadium. What can you do really after a game like that?

Cue Annie, tomorrow.

Supporting
07-05-2014, 11:13 PM
No win, no capo (in 113), no smoke, no bounce, no gilberto.

Yes tourists.

Still had a blast!!!!!!

tfcleeds
07-05-2014, 11:28 PM
I was in 114, and my perception was that it was VERY quiet tonight in the crowd. Apart from the 5 or 6 kinda drunk guys at the back making some nice noise, it was quiet. A bit of noise from 112 but there were a lot of tourists around me that didn't know any chant at all today.

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I was in 114 too, and yeah, those guys at the back offered the only atmosphere. 114 is a joke for a supporters section.

Supporting
07-05-2014, 11:35 PM
yep. I think the difference between Columbus and today was Gilberto. He would have added some sort of inventiveness and intensity. Moore is a great third striker or winger, but Gilberto is still more talented and adds something the team can really lack at points like we did today.

he scored... something gilberto has had a hard time doing :p

Supporting
07-05-2014, 11:36 PM
I was in 114 too, and yeah, those guys at the back offered the only atmosphere. 114 is a joke for a supporters section.

They seemed loud from where I was...?

Cashcleaner
07-05-2014, 11:36 PM
Bit of a disappointment with tonight's game. I went into it thinking we could get at least a point or maybe scrap together a win, but we ended up slowing down and getting a little lazy in the second half. To be fair we pushed DCU pretty hard in the final minutes and had a few hopeful chances, so the result could easily have been a 2-2 draw. But DCU was the more rested squad out there and it showed for the most part.

As for the crowd, I don't know why, but BMO Field seems to be getting quieter and quieter to me. Even in 112 it seems like there's only ever a dozen or so rows that are engaged in the singing. Sure, things picked up a lot when Defoe/Moore equalized, but the whole atmosphere was rather "m'eh".

I'll tell you what, though. Once we get a roof and have some protection from the sun as well as a amplifier for sound, BMO Field will be set!

Supporting
07-05-2014, 11:41 PM
Bit of a disappointment with tonight's game. I went into it thinking we could get at least a point or maybe scrap together a win, but we ended up slowing down and getting a little lazy in the second half. To be fair we pushed DCU pretty hard in the final minutes and had a few hopeful chances, so the result could easily have been a 2-2 draw. But DCU was the more rested squad out there and it showed for the most part.

As for the crowd, I don't know why, but BMO Field seems to be getting quieter and quieter to me. Even in 112 it seems like there's only ever a dozen or so rows that are engaged in the singing. Sure, things picked up a lot when Defoe/Moore equalized, but the whole atmosphere was rather "m'eh".

I'll tell you what, though. Once we get a roof and have some protection from the sun as well as a amplifier for sound, BMO Field will be set!

we need 2 mid capos in 113 and 1 in 112. Then we'd be set.

TFC1154ever
07-05-2014, 11:58 PM
Those guys at the back are actually in 115.

Red CB Toronto
07-06-2014, 02:09 AM
Despite the loss, good to see a number of former Reds out tonight in Robert Earnshaw, Killian Elkinson, Rohan Ricketts fresh off a stint in Thailand and Andrea Lombardo. Canadian International Simeon Jackson was hanging out and apparently will be training with the Reds.

prizby
07-06-2014, 05:42 AM
We're you at the game?

Yes, I was

Pookie
07-06-2014, 07:06 AM
I thought it was one of the more entertaining games.

Funny to me in that you have two clubs that are posting the biggest season over season turnarounds. You thus have a head to head match up between two of the odds on favourites for Coach of the Year.

Both coaches are using band aids of sorts. We have our DPs. DC has a lot of veterans. We opened a wallet. They opened the trade with allocation plan.

Close game and we simply couldn't convert our chances. They did.

Yet Nelsen's tactics get blamed?

Work in progress folks and I would rather be in TFC's shoes than DC's as their risks with older players and longevity is higher than ours.

As for the game, good stuff included great ball movement in the first half. A real positive for me was that players seem to be getting playing time based on merit. This may piss off those that think TFC should automatically be the development team for the Canadian National program but this is the first time that I can recall not one Canadian in the starting 11. Best should play. It's club not country.

Disappointed not to see DeRo get minutes in this game. If there was ever a game he deserved to get some time in, this was it.

SKB
07-06-2014, 07:16 AM
I noticed at the start that TFC set up in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Weber and Orr were the 2 holding mids. This really gave problems to DC and they only had 2 shots and none on goal. In the interview with Nelson after the game he indicated he went back to the 4-4-2 after the half. That is why Orr game out. This changed the game and not for the better. Regardless of the two terrible goals we gave up, Our attack once we got about 22 yards away from their goal really sputtered. The service into the box was terrible. Despite TFC attempts to bring in better outside mid players to improve the attack none have done the job. Jackson dribbles with his head down and makes bad or late passes. The new guy, sorry can't spell his name yet seems to be not match better. Morrow's crosses were poor today. So we have no width to our game. This shows up in the stats, tons of crosses with few shots on net. Nelson is struggling technically and getting these pieces to work together or we still do not wave the right winger personal. Also feel the recent adds in personal have messed up the chemistry of the team and we are worse off.

ManUtd4ever
07-06-2014, 07:34 AM
Hamid outplayed Bendik, and that was the difference.

ensco
07-06-2014, 07:35 AM
I am really angry today

http://nyti.ms/Vj18ki

MightyDM
07-06-2014, 07:49 AM
I'm not sure about that. We were excellent against NY and very good against Chicago with Odruo in and a 4-4-2. I'd say Nelsen has some blame for the starting line up, not the subs. And Bendik should have come for the cross on the second goal, no doubt about it.
I noticed at the start that TFC set up in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Weber and Orr were the 2 holding mids. This really gave problems to DC and they only had 2 shots and none on goal. In the interview with Nelson after the game he indicated he went back to the 4-4-2 after the half. That is why Orr game out. This changed the game and not for the better. Regardless of the two terrible goals we gave up, Our attack once we got about 22 yards away from their goal really sputtered. The service into the box was terrible. Despite TFC attempts to bring in better outside mid players to improve the attack none have done the job. Jackson dribbles with his head down and makes bad or late passes. The new guy, sorry can't spell his name yet seems to be not match better. Morrow's crosses were poor today. So we have no width to our game. This shows up in the stats, tons of crosses with few shots on net. Nelson is struggling technically and getting these pieces to work together or we still do not wave the right winger personal. Also feel the recent adds in personal have messed up the chemistry of the team and we are worse off.

Kaz
07-06-2014, 09:57 AM
I'm sorry everyone it's my fault.

I've been out twice this year both times decided to sit in the upper deck (which I've never done before) both time we lost... should never have done it... I apologize I won't sit up there again. Those are the only two games I went to where we lost.

reggie
07-06-2014, 10:30 AM
I don't care if we get outplayed and lose,but it seems every game our CBs make a mistake in the back and we lose points.the young guys I will give them some slack,but Caldwell is overpaid for what brings,i also think bendik is not good enough at this level.

OgtheDim
07-06-2014, 10:46 AM
Interview post game with Nelsen seemed to indicate the 4-2-3-1 was done to give Bradley a chance to not have to run back to pick up the ball all the time.

Nelsen said it wasn't working because they were getting in each other's passing lanes (not surprising given they probably had practiced it for one day). That and Bradley was going back anyways.

I'd like to see them practice that formation a bit more though, as I think it worked well.

spark
07-06-2014, 12:30 PM
Interview post game with Nelsen seemed to indicate the 4-2-3-1 was done to give Bradley a chance to not have to run back to pick up the ball all the time.

Nelsen said it wasn't working because they were getting in each other's passing lanes (not surprising given they probably had practiced it for one day). That and Bradley was going back anyways.

I'd like to see them practice that formation a bit more though, as I think it worked well.

I find that comment (re formation) strange b/c from what I've seen most of the season, when Bradley is available and TFC are in possession and building from the back starting w Bendick, we are playing a variation of a 3-4-3 with Bradley coming into the middle/holding mid and CBs splitting out to the wings and our fullbacks pushing forward into a more wingback role. Depending on which side the play advances on, you'll see one of the DMs cover for the fullback who is pushing forward (Orr did this on occasion yesterday).

Maybe they tried a 4-2-3-1 at the kick off but from what I saw they went right back to their 'Bradley formation' right after.

molenshtain
07-06-2014, 12:34 PM
I find that comment (re formation) strange b/c from what I've seen most of the season, when Bradley is available and TFC are in possession and building from the back starting w Bendick, we are playing a variation of a 3-4-3 with Bradley coming into the middle/holding mid and CBs splitting out to the wings and our fullbacks pushing forward into a more wingback role. Depending on which side the play advances on, you'll see one of the DMs cover for the fullback who is pushing forward (Orr did this on occasion yesterday).

Maybe they tried a 4-2-3-1 at the kick off but from what I saw they went right back to their 'Bradley formation' right after.

I think it was a 4-2-3-1 with Bradley basically playing wherever he wanted, which is fine by me. Every game he plays this season he's going to be the most intelligent player on the pitch.

ag futbol
07-06-2014, 12:50 PM
Interview post game with Nelsen seemed to indicate the 4-2-3-1 was done to give Bradley a chance to not have to run back to pick up the ball all the time.

Nelsen said it wasn't working because they were getting in each other's passing lanes (not surprising given they probably had practiced it for one day). That and Bradley was going back anyways.

I'd like to see them practice that formation a bit more though, as I think it worked well.
Definitely take some practice, even then I don't know how well it will work. Oduro, Moore, and Jackson really struggle to get the basics when it comes to moving off the ball. You can see the frustration of whoever is playing in the centre of the field when they are looking for them to play a simple triangle but they can't figure it out.

spark
07-06-2014, 01:03 PM
I think it was a 4-2-3-1 with Bradley basically playing wherever he wanted, which is fine by me. Every game he plays this season he's going to be the most intelligent player on the pitch.

Yeah it definitely started with that and Bradley high up - defending it was Bradley applying the pressure high up - but as the game wore on they/he reverted back into that everywhere role where he was dropping really deep to pick up Bendik's distribution - you can see it on the first goal.

Pint
07-06-2014, 01:09 PM
For me the 4-2-3-1 depends on the gilberto injury. If he is healthy and ready to go i don't see how we keep one of him or Defoe off the pitch

molenshtain
07-06-2014, 01:12 PM
For me the 4-2-3-1 depends on the gilberto injury. If he is healthy and ready to go i don't see how we keep one of him or Defoe off the pitch

He'd presumably play the wing position. Either taking Jackson's or Moore's spot.

Pint
07-06-2014, 01:16 PM
He'd presumably play the wing position. Either taking Jackson's or Moore's spot.

so we would be looking at a

Warner - Orr/Bekker etc
Oduro - Bradley - Gilberto
Defoe

Marc"2L"
07-06-2014, 01:21 PM
Yes, I was

Where abouts? I actually noticed 111 seemed a bit more lively than normal but it's not saying much.

nonc
07-06-2014, 01:41 PM
so we would be looking at a

Warner - Orr/Bekker etc
Oduro - Bradley - Gilberto
Defoe

Teams would abuse our left flank and Oduro seems a bit lost out wide unless he's on the counter. Not sure Nelsen can afford to bench Jackson and Osorio but if he does I expect L's.

imho:
-----Warner---Jackson
Osorio--Bradley--Gilberto
----------Defoe

Moore and Oduro become great depth subs at three positions then. CB disaster aside, Bendik sucked yesterday.

molenshtain
07-06-2014, 01:56 PM
so we would be looking at a

Warner - Orr/Bekker etc
Oduro - Bradley - Gilberto
Defoe

I'd assume that's what Nelsen would want, but like someone said above Having Gilberto, Bradley and Osorio makes us look a lot better. And Jackson and Oduro Would both be great to come on in the last half hour as impact subs to run at tired defences.

I lineup of
bendik
Bloom---Caldwell----Henry/Hagglund---Morrow
Orr/Bekker-----Warner
Gilberto-------Bradley-----Osorio
Defoe

Has very few weaknesses and a lot of strengths. Our upgrades at this point probably have to be at CB or the Bekker/Orr position. We're adequate at both positions, but this is a championship team with upgrades at both.

TFC07
07-06-2014, 02:22 PM
I don't care if we get outplayed and lose,but it seems every game our CBs make a mistake in the back and we lose points.the young guys I will give them some slack,but Caldwell is overpaid for what brings,i also think bendik is not good enough at this level.

That's exact feeling I got leaving BMO field yesterday. DC United were toothless in their attack, but it was stupid mistakes in back which gifted them two goals. We need CB who's in his prime desperately. Caldwell has lost a step and plays well too aggressive. Henry is too inconsistent and aggressive while Hagglund is average defender with athleticism. Also we need true pure winger who can take on defenders. Jackson needs to play as RB or LB which will suit his skillset. Oduro is great player to have as 3rd forward on MLS club, but not wing unless we play 4-3-3.

ryan
07-06-2014, 02:33 PM
I'm sorry everyone it's my fault.

I've been out twice this year both times decided to sit in the upper deck (which I've never done before) both time we lost... should never have done it... I apologize I won't sit up there again. Those are the only two games I went to where we lost.

I've been out of town for all our home losses, at BMO for the wins.

lolol.

mook-life
07-06-2014, 02:53 PM
agreed our centre backs need to step up and bendik does allow a lot of soft goals in

reggie
07-06-2014, 03:12 PM
its funny our coach is ex CB...and all we see are mistakes by our CBs..i think haggs and henry have potential..but Caldwell is overated ,we are paying him almost dp money.bendik is jus not god enough stays on his line way to much.RN doesn't have the guts to make any changes.

molenshtain
07-06-2014, 03:22 PM
its funny our coach is ex CB...and all we see are mistakes by our CBs..i think haggs and henry have potential..but Caldwell is overated ,we are paying him almost dp money.bendik is jus not god enough stays on his line way to much.RN doesn't have the guts to make any changes.


"doesn't have the guts"? you need to calm down with your hyperbole. I don't know what you think his options are at this point. Bendik has his issues, but so does every MLS keeper, and he kept us in a ton of games last season. Caldwell is here for one more year, and is presumably on less money next year too. At which point we will likely sign a stud #1 CB. Henry and Hagglund are two blue-chip prospects who will get better the more they play. I don't know what the point is of being negatively hyperbolic towards a team you are trying to support.

reggie
07-06-2014, 03:40 PM
first of all...I spend 5000 bucks a year on tickets,so I can say what I want.second... its the same bloodly mistakes all the time,we lost 3 games at home this year because of mistakes by our CBs and average keeping,how many times did bendik save our ass last year we only won 6 game,keepers always look better on a shit team,cheers.

OgtheDim
07-06-2014, 04:03 PM
There are no upgrades to Bendik in this league that we can trade for. And any keeper from Europe would be too much money.

Caldwell is an upgrade on what we had a year ago. I agree with molenshtain that we will be getting a replacement for him probably after the 2014-15 European season ends.

Henry and Hagglund have their issues but there are not many defenders this good at their age.

Detroit_TFC
07-06-2014, 04:06 PM
Results in all the games involving other EC games this weekend weren't too bad for TFC, wish we could have helped ourselves out. Really do have to get a result against Houston on 7/12 though.

brad
07-06-2014, 05:11 PM
first of all...I spend 5000 bucks a year on tickets,so I can say what I want.second... its the same bloodly mistakes all the time,we lost 3 games at home this year because of mistakes by our CBs and average keeping,how many times did bendik save our ass last year we only won 6 game,keepers always look better on a shit team,cheers.

And what would you say to the fact that prior to this match we were on a 6 match unbeaten run and have one of the best goals against ratios per game in the league?

Sure we can improve - but for this league we have been defensively solid this year.

gracos
07-06-2014, 05:31 PM
I am confused how some people are making out the last six games of being undefeated is good; to be good enough we need to string wins together because since the break we have also lost 75% of all possible points since the WC; I think that would be quite high and definitely needs to be improved on

gracos
07-06-2014, 05:44 PM
now i also do understand that we are par for course of getting in, as last year the 3rd place team had 50% of the PTS but if this pattern continues we definitely will be heading on the wrong path

Pookie
07-06-2014, 05:47 PM
its funny our coach is ex CB...and all we see are mistakes by our CBs..i think haggs and henry have potential..but Caldwell is overated ,we are paying him almost dp money...

Cough. Ahem. The LEAGUE is paying him almost DP money.

OgtheDim
07-06-2014, 06:49 PM
I am confused how some people are making out the last six games of being undefeated is good....


Cause its better then other teams were doing?

reggie
07-06-2014, 07:06 PM
Cough. Ahem. The LEAGUE is paying him almost DP money.

we has the team I support...its still too much money who ever pays it.

Pookie
07-06-2014, 07:10 PM
we has the team I support...its still too much money who ever pays it.

So, you want the league to sign better performing players for less or equal money?

BTW, the salaries that the union publishes are not necessarily what his budget charge is.

reggie
07-06-2014, 07:19 PM
yes I do...England is not the only place to find players...overpriced.i never would of signed Caldwell for that cap hit.i think he may be one of the highest paid CBs in the league.

Supporting
07-06-2014, 07:24 PM
Wait, can someone give me a simple/brief explanation of how it works in the MLS regarding players salaries?

Y does the league pick their salary and not the team...?

Pookie
07-06-2014, 07:48 PM
Wait, can someone give me a simple/brief explanation of how it works in the MLS regarding players salaries?

Y does the league pick their salary and not the team...?

Bullet point version:

- when the league was formed they wanted to control costs and ensure that American players had opportunity to play
- created a single entity structure, where they own all the teams
- MLS recruits the players, negotiates their salaries and to some extent determines where the players will play through a variety of mechanisms
- each franchise (ie. TFC) is run by a local owner-operator (MLSE)
- for that, they get a share in MLS profits and a seat on the Board of Governors
- The Board interestingly assigns profits and losses to all teams, amongst other functions
- MLS owns all the teams, team equipment, ticket rights, intellectual property and broadcast rights
- Owner-operators hire their own local staff and do things like sell tickets and local broadcast rights
- In addition to the share in MLS, teams get a "management fee" from MLS that comes from 50% of local ticket sales and concessions and the first $1.125M of local tv revenues, 100% of all revenues from "Friendlies" and 50% of net revenues from MLS Championship game

Source: http://www.niu.edu/law/organizations/law_review/pdfs/full_issues/31_1/Jakobsze%20131-174.pdf

MLS assigns a budget to each team that it flexes via allocation money. Teams choose players from the available pool of players that MLS has signed and their salaries are subtracted from the team's budget.

Teams are finding some increased flexibility to find their own players but for the most part, most players come from the league's central pool of players. And recently here, we saw where TFC wanted a player but the league didn't feel it was the right contract for him. As a result, TFC lost out on Olaf Melberg.

So when you hear things like TFC "is paying a portion of Eckersley's salary" it really isn't the case. Eckersley's cheque comes from the league. The league simply reassigns a portion of TFC's assigned budget to NY.

That's also why there is no budget relief for injured players. MLS has a pool of contracts and they pay them. Unlike the NHL where the salaries are paid out of their own bank accounts. An injured player is still paid and there are limited funds available to introduce new players.

prizby
07-06-2014, 08:35 PM
Where abouts? I actually noticed 111 seemed a bit more lively than normal but it's not saying much.

112 in the first half; 114 in the second

TFC1154ever
07-06-2014, 08:40 PM
When you guys say 114, I think you guys are talking about us. Maybe it's just me but i never heard a peep from where I am at the top of 115 from 114. There about 4-5 rows at the top of 115 that make noise (same people since year 1). We are the ones absolutely ripping into visiting keeper.

T-boy
07-06-2014, 10:25 PM
It's funny, 3 games ago Hagglund was MOTM and the best CB prospect we have ever had, now he's "average but athletic"! Bendik was "better than Cesar", and now he's mistake riddled. We fans are a fickle bunch!

tfcocd
07-06-2014, 10:35 PM
And what would you say to the fact that prior to this match we were on a 6 match unbeaten run and have one of the best goals against ratios per game in the league?

Sure we can improve - but for this league we have been defensively solid this year.

In general with Bradley back I think there is still room for optimism even at 3 games winless.

Osorio looks to be more confident and healthy which should improve the offensive creativity when he is in the side. To me it looked like TFC out chanced DCU who are a side in good form and TFC just needs to improve the conversion rate. The dc tactic ( probably all teams facing TFC going forward) was to focus on Defoe and risk being beaten by Jackson or other attackers. This is where TFC needs that secondary threat like Gilberto to punish this approach and force teams to respect the threat from other players. The 4-2-3-1 could be another way to provide this balance finding ways to create more chances for Bradley as an example. Mixing up the attack will force teams to spread the defensive tactics a bit more and Defoe can return to doing what he does so well which is punishing teams from 20 yards in.

Kaz
07-06-2014, 10:52 PM
I've been out of town for all our home losses, at BMO for the wins.

lolol.

So it's your fault.. you need to go an apologize to the team.

How dare you make me feel so bad.. bastard ;)

brad
07-07-2014, 08:12 AM
In general with Bradley back I think there is still room for optimism even at 3 games winless.

Osorio looks to be more confident and healthy which should improve the offensive creativity when he is in the side. To me it looked like TFC out chanced DCU who are a side in good form and TFC just needs to improve the conversion rate. The dc tactic ( probably all teams facing TFC going forward) was to focus on Defoe and risk being beaten by Jackson or other attackers. This is where TFC needs that secondary threat like Gilberto to punish this approach and force teams to respect the threat from other players. The 4-2-3-1 could be another way to provide this balance finding ways to create more chances for Bradley as an example. Mixing up the attack will force teams to spread the defensive tactics a bit more and Defoe can return to doing what he does so well which is punishing teams from 20 yards in.

The fact that Bradley was out would certainly play a factor. Still - I think the big issue with team right now is service from the midfield and an over-reliance on Defoe to score. If Defoe is not scoring, we aren't winning.

Defense can certainly be improved, but it's not the number one focus IMHO. Are we dropping points due to mistakes there? Sure - but this is the MLS, and players make mistakes at this level. It's a lot more obvious when it's a defender or of a keeper and it leads to a goal. I do think we could do better than Caldwell for the $$$ he gets though (or less)

ManUtd4ever
07-07-2014, 09:22 AM
I agree with the criticism of Bendik. He started off strong this season in Cesar's stead, but he has faltered as of late, and it has cost this team valuable points in the standings. He has let in a few goals recently that really should have been stopped at this level.

If he wants to be a regular starter in this league, he is going to have to develop consistency.

Boschmeister
07-07-2014, 01:43 PM
I was in 114 too, and yeah, those guys at the back offered the only atmosphere. 114 is a joke for a supporters section.

I have been in 115 from day one right beside 114 and 114 absolutely kills any atmosphere or chants from 112/113. 114 and the first few rows of 115 have lots of tourist fans. The noise from the back was coming from the back/middle of 115. 114 is a dead zone.

T-boy
07-07-2014, 05:49 PM
I have been in 115 from day one right beside 114 and 114 absolutely kills any atmosphere or chants from 112/113. 114 and the first few rows of 115 have lots of tourist fans. The noise from the back was coming from the back/middle of 115. 114 is a dead zone.

The guys chanting were right behind me in 114. I'm in row 18, they are just behind. The guys chanting "come on you rest" for ever and ever in the second half. They made a good effort. But nobody else joined in.

Supporting
07-08-2014, 11:12 AM
anyone have a link where I can watch the whole game again?

redisthenewblk
07-08-2014, 02:02 PM
Well slap me silly. Simon Borg thinks Hagglund's red should've been a yellow.


http://youtu.be/_gJLvSY106k

notthesun
07-08-2014, 05:24 PM
Well slap me silly. Simon Borg thinks Hagglund's red should've been a yellow.

Yeah and he also thinks Bendik should have seen red for rushing out and clearly playing the ball before taking out his man... LOL

Borg is a joke.

redisthenewblk
07-08-2014, 05:38 PM
Yeah and he also thinks Bendik should have seen red for rushing out and clearly playing the ball before taking out his man... LOL

Borg is a joke.

Yeah, but at least he's entertaining.