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OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 10:53 AM
FWIW

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrixSnnCIAEClla.jpg

ensco
07-02-2014, 11:03 AM
Gilberto's recurrence of his injury is ... interesting.

shwade
07-02-2014, 11:08 AM
Gilberto's recurrence of his injury is ... interesting.

It can't just be an injury, it has to be something much more sinister. Defoe went to complain to nelsen and then nelsen subbed him off last game and is benching him for this game. And he'll be gone by the end of summer. Or am I not reading into this enough?

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 11:13 AM
Your forgot the Illuminati. I'm pretty sure I saw Lara Croft at Red Bull arena just before that free kick was taken.

Did she have a green laser pointer?

ryan
07-02-2014, 11:23 AM
He's never let the injury fully heal, this will nag him through the entire season, I guarantee it.

Fort York Redcoat
07-02-2014, 11:32 AM
Drink at Joe's.


I will be in attendance.

Graeme
07-02-2014, 11:40 AM
I think we'll see this again:

----------Bendik----------
--Bloom--Caldwell--Henry---Morrow
--Oduro--Warner--Osorio---Jackson
-------Moore---Defoe------------

Bench: Konopka, Bekker, Hagglund, Orr, DeRo, WEEDS!

KGH
07-02-2014, 11:47 AM
I think we'll see this again:

----------Bendik----------
--Bloom--Caldwell--Henry---Morrow
--Oduro--Warner--Osorio---Jackson
-------Moore---Defoe------------

Bench: Konopka, Bekker, Hagglund, Orr, DeRo, WEEDS!

I think you are correct

Pookie
07-02-2014, 12:01 PM
Hip flexors are a bitch to heal.

Wooster_TFC
07-02-2014, 01:16 PM
It was quite clear that Gilberto tweaked his hip again trying to take a wonder strike on a cross.

Areathrasher
07-02-2014, 01:29 PM
Gilberto's recurrence of his injury is ... interesting.

How?

He's been getting treatment on the sidelines in a lot of games for it and after he scored in New York.

portu
07-02-2014, 02:48 PM
Think we'll see Bendik, Orr, Caldwell, Henry, Morrow, Oduro, Warner, Bekker, Jackson, Moore and Defoe.

Nelsen probably rests a couple guys for this match before we play DC this sat. Also think that if Henry starts tonight then Hagglund will get the start on sat and visa versa.

Also expecting a 2-1 win.

TFC07
07-02-2014, 03:12 PM
Is Fire good team or what? At least we better get a draw out of this game.

ManUtd4ever
07-02-2014, 03:15 PM
It sucks that Gilberto is on the injured list right after his best game of the season. It could have been something to build on. Hopefully it won't be a prolonged absence.

Abou Sky
07-02-2014, 03:51 PM
Fire are a decent team, last in the table but only 4 loses (same as us)

I would be very happy with a tie, but hoping that Defoe is played with care and doesn't play 90 minutes because we need him on Saturday.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 04:21 PM
Why does the person who draws up these projected starting XI's always miss out a glaring starter (Oduro this time)?

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 04:22 PM
Why does the person who draws up these projected starting XI's always miss out a glaring starter (Oduro this time)?

Eyeball bait.

Huyton
07-02-2014, 05:08 PM
8:30pm EST (Eastern Standard Time) is 9:30pm EDT (Eastern Daylight Time).

shwade
07-02-2014, 06:36 PM
8:30pm EST (Eastern Standard Time) is 9:30pm EDT (Eastern Daylight Time).

Sooo the game is at 830 pm. EST doesn't exist during the summer.

mowe
07-02-2014, 06:41 PM
The @ExpediaCA (https://twitter.com/ExpediaCA) Starting XI: Bendik, Bloom, Caldwell, Hagglund, Morrow, Oduro, Warner, Osorio, Jackson, Moore, Defoe

Does Henry have an injury or something?

flamehawk
07-02-2014, 06:47 PM
The @ExpediaCA (https://twitter.com/ExpediaCA) Starting XI: Bendik, Bloom, Caldwell, Hagglund, Morrow, Oduro, Warner, Osorio, Jackson, Moore, Defoe

Does Henry have an injury or something?

Not injury, he's on the bench. Wonder if it's rotation

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 06:54 PM
That doesn't surprise me. Henry is a little stronger than Hagglund and will be needed against DCU.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 07:41 PM
Kara Lang sighting.

flamehawk
07-02-2014, 07:47 PM
A little off topic, but do people think Bradley will come back in the weekend to replace Warner? I am guessing/hoping it's too soon - considering I have Warner on my fantasy team.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 07:48 PM
A little off topic, but do people think Bradley will come back in the weekend to replace Warner? I am guessing/hoping it's too soon - considering I have Warner on my fantasy team.
I thought the plan was to play both together. Probably drop Jackson or Osorio.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 07:53 PM
Chicago scared of Defoe and Oduro. They are giving up significant ground between their mids and their back four.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 07:56 PM
Now I have been reading how MLS wants to take advantage off the great WC buzz and draw in some new viewers and fans. I know the play is at a lesser level and that's a work in progress but Garber should be enforcing teams to provide proper production values. This reeks of bush league. Crappy distant camera angles, dark grainy quality, and poor choices of cut aways/isolation shots. This can and should be fixed. Easiest thing to fix right away. Having a professional, big time looking broadcast like ESPN used to makes everything more pleasing to watch for casual viewers and supporters alike. I feel like I need glasses or binoculars to follow this and I have a 55" TV.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 07:57 PM
Every time Jackson winds up a long shot I pray for a deflection because that's the only way it'll ever be a threat.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 07:59 PM
Ever since he got a goal though a wicked deflection, Jackson thinks he's Gerrard from distance.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 08:02 PM
Every time Jackson winds up a long shot I pray for a deflection because that's the only way it'll ever be a threat.
High winds maybe too.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:07 PM
ffs Jackson why are you so bad with the ball

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:10 PM
Wow what an awful angle on the replay of the offside call.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:10 PM
We are getting in good positions off the ball but our last pass has been crap.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:11 PM
Chicago hoping to win this one on free kick/PK appeals.

flatpicker
07-02-2014, 08:12 PM
We are getting in good positions off the ball but our last pass has been crap.

It's quite painful to watch those passes land right in the feet of the Chicago players.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:13 PM
Well that sucks.


Going to change the plans for the next couple of matches.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:13 PM
Bullshit card!

molenshtain
07-02-2014, 08:13 PM
not good

QBall
07-02-2014, 08:14 PM
Moore's red is utter BS

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:14 PM
That was so soft.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:14 PM
Hahahahahahaha

Kaz
07-02-2014, 08:14 PM
That is a little harsh.. but at the same time. there was a Handball and a PK chance ignored.. but still harsh.

leafsman
07-02-2014, 08:15 PM
Match fixing in MLS now?

Couchy81
07-02-2014, 08:15 PM
Brutal card from a "veteran" referee.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:16 PM
WTF? What a fucking joke. And how about a couple cards to Chicago for mass confrontation?

daner90
07-02-2014, 08:16 PM
Wow in what world is that a red card???

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:16 PM
It just means we'll look that much better when we beat them with 10 men.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:17 PM
Seriously LOL that is one of the worst straight reds I have ever seen. Does this ref expect everyone to go up for headers with the length of their arms stuck to the sides of their bodies? Give him a yellow and tell him to be careful you idiot.

gracos
07-02-2014, 08:18 PM
I wanted to see TFC go to 3rd in the East, but after that horrible call and referee interfering in the match we will be lucky to hold 4th

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:18 PM
Seriously LOL that is one of the worst straight reds I have ever seen. Does this ref expect everyone to go up for headers with the length of their arms stuck to the sides of their bodies? Give him a yellow and tell him to be careful you idiot.

Even a yellow would have been harsh. Maybe a warning but definitely not a card, especially not a red card.

tfcleeds
07-02-2014, 08:18 PM
Apparently some of this ref's decisions have been overturned by independent review panel - maybe this one will be too, and Moore won't have to sit out the next match. Brutal red card decision.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:19 PM
LOL...even with 10 we are better then these guys.

Would take a tie under these circumstances but we can win this one on the counter.

Ruffian
07-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Here is where we see the quality of referees in MLS. It was a jumping motion. No malice intended. If the ref wanted to punish for having elbows up, give a yellow.

AdamAM
07-02-2014, 08:19 PM
at least we'll get to hear simon borg shout about it for 30 seconds

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 08:19 PM
Match fixing in MLS now?

I think that was a yellow instead BUT...

It's not a "natural" motion by a jumper like our commentator tried to say like a fuckin dummy. Did the guy who got elbowed in the face have his natural elbows up. Lol

As for match fixing? Yup...but it's in our favour now.

Caldwell has gotten away with several penalties this year. Lots of things have seemed sketchy...and I love it. It's been against us for several seasons.

Btw...the reason is that our gm bexbetchenko is a fucking MLS administrator. Hahaha. So sketchy but I'll take it.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:21 PM
at least we'll get to hear simon borg shout about it for 30 seconds

He'll either say it was a deserved red or it doesn't matter because we already should have had 2 reds by that point for other challenges, calling it now.

That decision was 100% due to the Chicago players rushing in and crowding the ref as if an atrocity had just occurred. Nothing I hate more than seeing refs have their decisions influenced by things external to the actual game.

Dv23
07-02-2014, 08:21 PM
In what world is that a red? This ref must be joking.

gracos
07-02-2014, 08:21 PM
who is the starting striker for the next match, lol, Weeds, lol

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:22 PM
Hagglund is so good on the ball. Under pressure a few minutes ago, gets off a nice short pass to restart the play going forward rather than just booting it uselessly.

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 08:23 PM
Even a yellow would have been harsh. Maybe a warning but definitely not a card, especially not a red card.

If one of our players got elbowed like that you wouldn't say that. If Osorio had been elbowed like that you'd be demanding at least a yellow if Chicago wasn't carded.

I agree with those who think it was harsh for a red and should have been a yellow and a talking to.

Moore should be who we're upset at people. It's stupidity.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 08:23 PM
Second thing to fix after TV production is to improve the officiating to at least a standard, consistent level of shite. Right now it's so inconsistent that no one has a clue what actions can, will, or should draw cards or not. I don't even think the refs know. This Stoica guy saw a bit of blood and listened to the herd of Fire players barking at him and made a decision based on aftermath and not what happened. Sad.

flamehawk
07-02-2014, 08:23 PM
Apparently some of this ref's decisions have been overturned by independent review panel - maybe this one will be too, and Moore won't have to sit out the next match. Brutal red card decision.

Not just 'some', 40%!!! What a joke call .. you'd think a ref would learn to be more conservative with the red cards after having so many overturned.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:24 PM
Although the card should be overturned on review, sadly I feel it probably won't be, since there was apparently a noticeable injury. They will probably feel that would send the wrong message.

leafsman
07-02-2014, 08:24 PM
how does he have a job still if he makes so many mistakes that they overturn his cards

tfcleeds
07-02-2014, 08:24 PM
What's with the Chicago players uni numbers? Looks like some kid drew all over them with black marker, lol.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:25 PM
If one of our players got elbowed like that you wouldn't say that. If Osorio had been elbowed like that you'd be demanding at least a yellow if Chicago wasn't carded.

I agree with those who think it was harsh for a red and should have been a yellow and a talking to.

Moore should be who we're upset at people. It's stupidity.

I should be upset at a player for getting a red card after committing a non-red card worthy challenge? How does that make any sense at all?

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:25 PM
Hagglund is so good on the ball. Under pressure a few minutes ago, gets off a nice short pass to restart the play going forward rather than just booting it uselessly.

I agree. He's definitely impressed. A hard worker with great awareness - all at such a young age.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 08:26 PM
If one of our players got elbowed like that you wouldn't say that. If Osorio had been elbowed like that you'd be demanding at least a yellow if Chicago wasn't carded.

I agree with those who think it was harsh for a red and should have been a yellow and a talking to.

Moore should be who we're upset at people. It's stupidity.
I see this same thing happen multiple times in every match, everywhere. Most of the time there's no damage (and no card) but on a 50/50 Moore has every right to go up for it. Moore went straight up, elbows slightly out. He didn't go flying in recklessly.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:26 PM
What's with the Chicago players uni numbers? Looks like some kid drew all over them with black marker, lol.

Me draw on uniforms. You like dis, daddy?

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 08:26 PM
how does he have a job still if he makes so many mistakes that they overturn his cards

Be happy cause his shifty performance helped us earlier when he could have called Caldwell on a penalty. Lol

Speaking of Caldwell...who tried to head a ball that isn't even knee hight? Weird lol

molenshtain
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Who gave away that handball PK in Mexico with a beauty play like Caldwell just now? Was that Velez?

Kaz
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
I love Defoe.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Woooooooooooooooo!!!!

gracos
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Jackson scores one and TFC is up 1-0

dantdot
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Fuck the card. Let's do this shit!

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Fucking right!!!!! 1-0 even down a man!!! Woo hoo!!!

tfcleeds
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Me draw on uniforms. You like dis, daddy?

After a closer look, I see it's the stars and stripes incorporated into the design. GOALLL!!!! Yes!

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Horrible Fire defending.

QBall
07-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Damn it looks like our Brazilians are coming through for us these days.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:28 PM
LOL Jackson WTF!

PopePouri
07-02-2014, 08:28 PM
Hahahahaha!!!!

Nerepis
07-02-2014, 08:28 PM
10 men
we only got 10 men
we only got 10 men
we only got 10 men

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:28 PM
Yeah it was a tap in but Jackson contributed offensively!! I'll take it.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 08:28 PM
After a closer look, I see it's the stars and stripes incorporated into the design. GOALLL!!!! Yes!

Image is so bad on the TV I can barely make out players much less ugly ass designs in their numbering g:D

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:31 PM
Sometimes our defensive midfield is really AWOL these days, that was too dangerous a few minutes ago.

Couchy81
07-02-2014, 08:31 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this ref flashes another red card at us just to make things even

Kaz
07-02-2014, 08:32 PM
WTF kick in the face is a yellow, a light elbow is a red?

flamehawk
07-02-2014, 08:33 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this ref flashes another red card at us just to make things even

That kick to the head was an opportunity, but he didn't take it.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:33 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this ref flashes another red card at us just to make things even

I was thinking the same thing.

PopePouri
07-02-2014, 08:33 PM
Fuck this ref!

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:33 PM
LOL this ref is making himself look silly now. Accidental elbow in the face - red. Bicycle kick to the face on a cross Amarikwa never had a chance of connecting with - yellow.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:33 PM
Now that's a yellow.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:34 PM
WTF kick in the face is a yellow, a light elbow is a red?

Horrible reffing. What else can you say? The guy is a twat!

Richard
07-02-2014, 08:35 PM
So now imagine if you are someone who just tunes in to watch an MLS game after the USA game, a long uphill battle folks.

Refereeing should be the #1 priority for MLS and should have been fixed yesterday.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:35 PM
Borg must be absolutely licking his chops watching this game.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:36 PM
A bit of a boring half action-wise (until the goal of course) but we're very clearly the better team. If we can pick it up in the final third, I see more goals coming in the second half.

molenshtain
07-02-2014, 08:37 PM
Why is Nick Hagglund not doing action movies? Why is he not saving the world?

He's like a young Steve McQueen

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 08:39 PM
Ameritwat really loves attempting those bicycle kicks... He has tried so often.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:39 PM
Bicycle kicks to the face tend to get yellows.

This ref is making decisions based on "well if this happens, I do this." If he keeps that up, he won't be doing that many more games. PRO will be watching this game.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 08:45 PM
So now imagine if you are someone who just tunes in to watch an MLS game after the USA game, a long uphill battle folks.

Refereeing should be the #1 priority for MLS and should have been fixed yesterday.

Too be fair the rain likely is playing a role. As is this ref. Ya Refereeing is an issue.

Though to be far how many shit calls happened during the world cup.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:46 PM
So I'm watching the replay of the goal on the dodgy stream I've got going and I'm thinking, "So there's a guy in the 6 yard box sitting there forever but where is Jackson coming from? What? That is Jackson?!?! They let him do that?!?!"

The sort of defending you'd see in a pub league.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 08:47 PM
Things that should be on Garber's MLS 3.0 checklist:

1) Standardized, quality TV production since the TV deal is good now. No more CSL quality broadcasts.
2) Get the USSF to improve the standards for refs. Need to teach them what is what and at least have consistency. Not consistently poor either. Problem isn't bad calls. It's calling one thing a red and then something similar or worse a yellow a few moments later.
3) Raise salary cap and raise the floor on low end salaries to grow the domestic product.
4) More transparency on 'unique' MLS rules (allocation, etc.) - will never happen but it'd be nice.

ensco
07-02-2014, 08:49 PM
So I'm watching the replay of the goal on the dodgy stream I've got going and I'm thinking, "So there's a guy in the 6 yard box sitting there forever but where is Jackson coming from? What? That is Jackson?!?! They let him do that?!?!"

The sort of defending you'd see in a pub league.

Seriously. I guess we're all spoiled by the WC, but was that the worst goal allowed in history?

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:51 PM
Wish we had Dike on the bench for this kind of situation. Hope he's able to come back soon.

Huyton
07-02-2014, 08:51 PM
Would you be so kind to publish the "dodgy stream"? I'm at work and having difficulty getting a feed through the corporate firewall.

Thanks in advance.

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 08:53 PM
It's been a long time but I'm genuinely excited about our team. Their confidence seems to be growing which is great to see.

I don't think Chicago has a chance, regardless of being up a player.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:54 PM
Ameritwat really loves attempting those bicycle kicks... He has tried so often.

And I'm pretty sure he's still yet to connect with the ball.

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 08:57 PM
Hahaha. Bad officiating saves us again. Our player passed the ball to the keeper who picked it up less than 2 feet from the line.

Commentor asks devos and he won't answer. He's a joke

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:57 PM
Caldwell loves stretching his arms out. Can someone please tell him to cut that shit out?

TFC07
07-02-2014, 08:57 PM
Caldwell is such liability! This ref is brutal!

notthesun
07-02-2014, 08:57 PM
What the fuck Caldwell, are you serious? You're not in goal trying to save a penalty, don't stick your arms out to make yourself big... christ almighty.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 08:57 PM
http://cricfree.eu/tsn-1-live-stream.php

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 08:58 PM
What the fuck Caldwell, are you serious? You're not in goal trying to save a penalty, don't stick your arms out to make yourself big... christ almighty.

Oh come on... he only does it every game!

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
tie game now. Crappy way to give up a goal like that.

flatpicker
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
Well, crap.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
Chicago is playing cheap. That corner was just sad.

Kayaker
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
Well.... that was coming for a while......

v00d00daddy
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
Wtf....I feel like I cursed us. We look like two different teams from end of first and start of second.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
Garbage defending. Chicago takes a quick corner and we're completely disorganized, way too much space in the box.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 09:00 PM
Yeah, well that was coming. Couldn't keep the ball. And giving them that much time on the ball in our penalty area?

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:01 PM
Our defenders came back to the pitch unprepared. We're taking it way too easy right now.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:01 PM
That goal was coming. We looked shifty for a good 5 minutes there. A revert to sitting back and absorbing too much pressure.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:03 PM
This game is crap and it is the Ref.

QBall
07-02-2014, 09:03 PM
Hope Defoe has some more magic.

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:04 PM
Hope Defoe has some more magic.

If he can get service from his teammates

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:05 PM
This game is crap and it is the Ref.

Yup. A good deal of MLS refs need to learn about flow.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:05 PM
Stop giving the ball away cheaply!

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:06 PM
If he can get service from his teammates

Yeah, exactly!

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:06 PM
Memo to TFC: long balls from Bendik aren't working.

SirBobSaget
07-02-2014, 09:07 PM
Get Defoe off and have someone else chase hopelessly. Save him for Saturday

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:07 PM
Stop fucking shooting Jackson holy shit do you not realize you have a fucking awful shot

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:08 PM
Jackson put himself in a good spot for the first goal. He needs to stop shooting wildly and get up there again. Defoe is working all alone too often.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:09 PM
Memo to Nelsen: time for an inspiring substitution, things are really dragging here. Don't fucking wait any longer!

Take Jackson off now! Defoe must be fucking pissed, all that work, and Jackson completely fucks it up.

And again.

Blizzard
07-02-2014, 09:09 PM
Stop fucking shooting Jackson holy shit do you not realize you have a fucking awful shot

^ This! ^

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:10 PM
How is that not a foul on Defoe. Fuck this garbage.

Kayaker
07-02-2014, 09:10 PM
Jackson was gifted a goal by a great cross and piss poor defending. However, he needs to be pulled now! Anybody want to bet that he's the next body to leave town?

SirBobSaget
07-02-2014, 09:11 PM
Why always waiting too long for subs . Oduro osorio not involved freshen it up

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:13 PM
Subs are welcome at this point!

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:13 PM
Paging Ryan Nelsen. PAGING RYAN NELSEN. WAKE THE EFF UP AND MAKE A SUBSTITUTION!

Blizzard
07-02-2014, 09:13 PM
Jackson was gifted a goal by a great cross and piss poor defending. However, he needs to be pulled now! Anybody want to bet that he's the next body to leave town?

Until Issy was traded, I fully expected him to force Jackson to the bench and just when it was about to happen the trade happened. :(

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:14 PM
Make a sub already!

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 09:14 PM
Bendik's kick outs are pointless.

SirBobSaget
07-02-2014, 09:16 PM
40 mins playing with 10 men. Make a damn sub !!!!!

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:16 PM
Maybe Nelsen will wait until Chicago is up 2-1, then sub Defoe for another defender?

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:16 PM
Thank you mr linesman.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:19 PM
Where is DeRo or Morgan..

Kayaker
07-02-2014, 09:20 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing warner and bradley play together. Might not be Saturday, but soon.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:21 PM
I didn't mind the TFC - NY game after watching World Cup. It wasn't as bad as I expected.

This however is garbage all around.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:21 PM
Dero for Jackson may be a good call.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:21 PM
How the loving fuck is Orr still on the bench at this point

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:22 PM
I didn't mind the TFC - NY game after watching World Cup. It wasn't as bad as I expected.

This however is garbage all around.
Well it is a Yallop team and he's worked his magic and roped us into playing his type of shiteball.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 09:22 PM
Looking at our bench, the only thing I could see us doing is Orr for Jackson & DeRo for Osorio. Not sure that's going to change things much in keeping the ball, and as DeRo is likely to be starting on Saturday, I don't think he'll see much time today.

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:22 PM
Most likely, we will see Orr coming on if Nelsen decides to make a sub.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:22 PM
How the loving fuck is Orr still on the bench at this point
Yeah, live with the point and get Dero and Orr out there.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:23 PM
Yeah, live with the point and get Dero and Orr out there.

Keep DeRo's ass firmly parked on the bench. He doesn't track back. I'd rather see Wiedeman come in in this situation if we're putting on a forward.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:25 PM
Keep DeRo's ass firmly parked on the bench. He doesn't track back. I'd rather see Wiedeman come in in this situation if we're putting on a forward.

Weids could be interesting he has luck in the rain.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:25 PM
I'd like to see a sub of some kind though.

There, finally. Maybe a sub.

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:26 PM
We're playing a man down for an hour now, but yet, we haven't made sub.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:26 PM
Yes to Orr for Jackson. Please.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:26 PM
If it is Weideman then you may as well pull Defoe. It'll melt his brain watching Weeds running aimlessly out there.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:27 PM
Bus is now officially parked.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:28 PM
Wow two guys completely open running in on Toronto's goal.

I just don't get it.

jloome
07-02-2014, 09:29 PM
I love Jackson's work ethic, but he thinks at the speed of gum.

Kayaker
07-02-2014, 09:29 PM
ok... they're playing for the tie now. A defensive substitution would only confirm it. Go ahead, do it!

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:29 PM
At least we're generous with the gift of possession.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:29 PM
Bus is now officially parked.

With all doors & windows left open.

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:29 PM
Finally Nelsen makes a sub. Orr in, Osorio out. Typical Nelsen sub!

tfcleeds
07-02-2014, 09:30 PM
Wow, a substitution! Bout freaking time.

Lumpy
07-02-2014, 09:30 PM
Good sub. Osorio was invisible

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:30 PM
That elbow on Oduro kind of looked like one I saw in the first half.......

But worse.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:30 PM
Isn't that the same elbow that got a red earlier? totally inconsistent.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:31 PM
Isn't that the same elbow that got a red earlier? totally inconsistent.

It was the exact same challenge. And Stoica was looking directly at it. Kill me.

gracos
07-02-2014, 09:32 PM
TFC has lost 4 PTS over the last two games out of a possible 6, we need to do better or we will be on the outside of the Playoffs

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:33 PM
Literally I just can't. WTF was the point of that goal kick just now. No TFC players within 20 feet.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:33 PM
TFC has lost 4 PTS over the last two games out of a possible 6, we need to do better or we will be on the outside of the Playoffs
Not excusing this poor quality of this display tonight but you do realize these are away matches right?

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:34 PM
Another absolute garbage goal kick.

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:35 PM
Oh god. Please hold on.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:35 PM
Not sure why we are trying to lob passes down the line at this point. It's almost like we don't get it.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:35 PM
Fuckkkkkkkkkkk c'mon Oduro

Mark TFC
07-02-2014, 09:35 PM
Close!

gracos
07-02-2014, 09:35 PM
Not excusing this poor quality of this display tonight but you do realize these are away matches right?

If you want to be the champion of the league, you have to win both on the road and at home, no way you can only draw on the road and be content, you want to win all games

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:36 PM
That Jackson 'challenge'. Whoa.

tfcleeds
07-02-2014, 09:37 PM
Not excusing this poor quality of this display tonight but you do realize these are away matches right?

Agreed. Last season we were losing these matches - every point helps.

Couchy81
07-02-2014, 09:38 PM
Meh. I'll take it.

Hopefully the red is overturned since the ref gave a yellow to a Fire player for the same thing near the end there.

gracos
07-02-2014, 09:38 PM
Horrible game

Oldtimer
07-02-2014, 09:38 PM
Not bad one man down on the road.

tfcleeds
07-02-2014, 09:38 PM
Stoica should come under investigation - BS game on his part.

TFC07
07-02-2014, 09:38 PM
If you want to be the champion of the league, you have to win both on the road and at home, no way you can only draw on the road and be content, you want to win all games

We were down a man for most of the game on the road while dealing with shit ref and missing couple of starters. A point in this case isn't a bad result.

molenshtain
07-02-2014, 09:39 PM
If you want to be the champion of the league, you have to win both on the road and at home, no way you can only draw on the road and be content, you want to win all games

not in this league.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:39 PM
Well whoop di fucking doo. TFC only lucky the way they played in the 2nd half, but I'll take a point.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:39 PM
The Ref stole 2 points from TFC.

total BS, it as bowing to peer pressure from Chicago.. they played in a really shitty way. Getting the goal on a moment of disorganization assuming a long corner.

Now to be fair there were three or four chances for a PK against Toronto.

what I dislike is that Nelsen played for the tie.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 09:39 PM
TFC has lost 4 PTS over the last two games out of a possible 6, we need to do better or we will be on the outside of the Playoffs


My how things have changed expectations wise.


Against the supporter's shield team, at their park, who has one of the best offences in the league, we come back from 1 down and give up a late goal but still grab a point.

Going down a man for 60 minutes, we come away with a point.


Take it and run.

jloome
07-02-2014, 09:39 PM
Stoica should come under investigation - BS game on his part.

He's a star! At least, he refs like he wants to be.

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:41 PM
what I dislike is that Nelsen played for the tie.

Can't blame him after we allowed the tying goal. Pushing forward to score while down a man and the other team having the momentum would have been a terrible decision. That being said, he was terrible at playing for the draw. No subs until the 85th minute is idiotic.

I'd like to forget this game. We win if Stoica has any brains and gives Moore a yellow. Whatever. Beat D.C. at home and it's all good.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:41 PM
If you want to be the champion of the league, you have to win both on the road and at home, no way you can only draw on the road and be content, you want to win all games
Look at the historical winning percentage of road teams in MLS. Even the champs. Tough to win away even for the proven elite.

Unbeaten streak intact. Happy with that. Maybe if that Moore red card was a yellow things wouldn't have degraded to that mess of a second half. Still, a road point is better than no point. Let's look ahead to the next 2 Saturdays and hopefully a couple of good outings.

mowe
07-02-2014, 09:41 PM
Not excusing this poor quality of this display tonight but you do realize these are away matches right?

Winning on the road gives you a cushion at home. Two points from two games at NY and Chicago is a disappointment. We had a chance to go top of the table.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:42 PM
The Ref stole 2 points from TFC.

total BS, it as bowing to peer pressure from Chicago.. they played in a really shitty way. Getting the goal on a moment of disorganization assuming a long corner.

Now to be fair there were three or four chances for a PK against Toronto.

what I dislike is that Nelsen played for the tie.

If he had intelligently played for a tie, I wouldn't even mind. Chicago had lots of chances to win the game. Nelsen was only lucky the 2nd half.

gracos
07-02-2014, 09:44 PM
34 PTS will never get you into the playoffs, i cannot be content of draws in any sport, is it acceptable to only work for a draw, the goal of the league is to maximize your point total so you dont need to hope for others to perform worse than you, we really need all the PTS we can get and the earlier the better

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:44 PM
Is this the longest unbeaten steak in our history? Thought I heard something about tonight beating the record set by the Preki FC back in 2010.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:45 PM
If he had intelligently played for a tie, I wouldn't even mind. Chicago had lots of chances to win the game. Nelsen was only lucky the 2nd half.

Ya Chicago blocked of the outside and Nelsen didn't make adjustments for it. I would have liked to see Defoe come off and a player like DeRo come on.

or someone actually pass the ball to Defoe once and a while instead of out wide.

It was still winable. This is inexperience on Nelsen I think.

Pookie
07-02-2014, 09:45 PM
Pro
Did well with 10 men. Didn't really deserve the Red.

Con
Caldwell has to learn not to defend like a Christmas tree. Does Defoe like anyone on this team?

Kaz
07-02-2014, 09:46 PM
Is this the longest unbeaten steak in our history? Thought I heard something about tonight beating the record set by the Preki FC back in 2010.

Ya Preki had a WTWWTTTW iirc which was the longest streak without losing back to back games for that season too. (there was a 6 game winless streak as well)

notthesun
07-02-2014, 09:46 PM
34 PTS will never get you into the playoffs, i cannot be content of draws in any sport, is it acceptable to only work for a draw, the goal of the league is to maximize your point total so you dont need to hope for others to perform worse than you, we really need all the PTS we can get and the earlier the better

Are you aware TFC has the best points per game in the East? Relax. We'll win more games.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:46 PM
34 PTS will never get you into the playoffs, i cannot be content of draws in any sport, is it acceptable to only work for a draw, the goal of the league is to maximize your point total so you dont need to hope for others to perform worse than you, we really need all the PTS we can get and the earlier the better
You do know we have 21 points already with 21 matches remaining right?

Detroit_TFC
07-02-2014, 09:46 PM
Hope Gilberto is able to play on Saturday. I would guess MB04 will be back but not starting. That should help the sub situation. The options tonight didn't look too appealing, not all that surprised that Nelsen only used Orr.

ag futbol
07-02-2014, 09:47 PM
I think a lot of the reds we are seeing are a result of MLS telling the refs to crack down on certain things. For example: you can't tell me that haven't been given a directive to crack down on contact in the 18 yard box with the number of penalties we've seen this year. As far as the elbow goes, not a red card in my book but a definite yellow. Contrary to Jason DeVos you don't need to hold your elbows our at a 90 degree angle when you jump to challenge on a header. I'm sure Ian Hume would agree.

Anyway, missed this one but from the sounds of things, and from the looks of the highlights, it was pretty forgettable.

Thomas
07-02-2014, 09:47 PM
An ugly game for sure and we did not play at our best....but away and a man down for most of the match, I'll take the point. We would not have taken the point with previous teams. Oso was invisible yet again. He has been a disappointment so far this year.

adam1001
07-02-2014, 09:48 PM
I'll take the point on the road, but holy crap that was frustrating to watch. We went down a man in the first half, yet we were still stringing passes together and actually playing quite well. The second half rolls around and we immediately concede all possession and put 10 men behind the ball, as usual. Tactical idiocy.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 09:49 PM
My conclusions from that game:



Jackson ain't good enough attack wise for how we play
Osorio is OK but we need another decent attacking oriented CM to be there when/if Bradley isn't available - put Osorio out on the Left instead of Jackson
A game crying out for Dike, and I thought this before Moore got his red
we do get a lot of red cards
Warner is fine enough for now but he's no Beckerman
Bloom is not as consistant as Morrow in covering his channels
Brennan doesn't have the guts to tell Caldwell to put his hands behind his back - going big might be his game, but Caldwell is going to get caught out by teams who study
Bendik looks plaintively to his FB's to give him an outlet - they don't provide it - Bendik kicks the ball to the other team

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:49 PM
I would guess MB04 will be back but not starting.
Knowing Bradley I think he will expect and want to start. How do you really say no to a player like that? It's his nature to bust ass and he doesn't look like a guy who'd enjoy watching from the sidelines when uninjured.

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 09:50 PM
Pro
Did well with 10 men. Didn't really deserve the Red.

Con
Caldwell has to learn not to defend like a Christmas tree. Does Defoe like anyone on this team?

There are so many questions I wish the journalists would ask Nelsen. Like: Ryan, you were a central defender for years. Why do you keep letting one of your central defenders wave about with his arms?

billyfly
07-02-2014, 09:52 PM
What a BS red and how was Caldwell not taken out after what was most likely a concussion.

ag futbol
07-02-2014, 09:52 PM
Ya Chicago blocked of the outside and Nelsen didn't make adjustments for it. I would have liked to see Defoe come off and a player like DeRo come on.

or someone actually pass the ball to Defoe once and a while instead of out wide.

It was still winable. This is inexperience on Nelsen I think.
We seem to be awfully willing to drag Defoe into those wide positions. It's at least advancing the ball further up the field but rule of thumb says that's not where we are going to get our money's worth out of him.

Issue being, outside of Defoe and Bradley, nobody on this team looks like scoring or even threatening to opposing keepers. If I'm playing TFC, I'm more than content to allow Moore, Jackson, and whoever else try to attack the 18 yard box and finish, because they are hesitant to do it and not very good at it.

billyfly
07-02-2014, 09:55 PM
I wonder what Defoe is telling his mates back in the EPL of the style of play in the MLS.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:57 PM
My conclusions from that game:



Jackson ain't good enough attack wise for how we play
Osorio is OK but we need another decent attacking oriented CM to be there when/if Bradley isn't available - put Osorio out on the Left instead of Jackson
A game crying out for Dike, and I thought this before Moore got his red
we do get a lot of red cards
Warner is fine enough for now but he's no Beckerman
Bloom is not as consistant as Morrow in covering his channels
Brennan doesn't have the guts to tell Caldwell to put his hands behind his back - going big might be his game, but Caldwell is going to get caught out by teams who study
Bendik looks plaintively to his FB's to give him an outlet - they don't provide it - Bendik kicks the ball to the other team


Agree with pretty much everything here. Another wing signing to push Jackson to the bench would be nice. I don't think Osorio has shown enough to be relied upon for anything consistent. Jackson would be a good shut down winger when needed.

I also think Warner is pretty good. Sure he's not USMNT level but he is a young, solid MLSer and can do the job. Improvement on what we had anyway. Would like to see what he can do with Bradley, Oduro, and a healthy top pairing of Gilberto & Defoe.

portu
07-02-2014, 09:58 PM
I'm honestly done with Jackson and the reffing this season. How many times does Jackson have to play like a selfish ass on the pitch to be taken out?!

Oso should have moved to the wing with Orr playing centrally instead of having Jackson make a mess all night (other than the OPEN header)

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 09:58 PM
If he had intelligently played for a tie, I wouldn't even mind. Chicago had lots of chances to win the game. Nelsen was only lucky the 2nd half.

Tactically, yes. But, given who we had on the bench, and the paucity of forward options we have with 7 league games this month, I'm wondering how he could have changed things with a sub.

As Devos said, all they really did was release their FB's. It then falls on our midfield to hold the ball up, move it side to side a bit. Instead, what we did was focus on giving the ball to Jackson (Oduro won very few tackles) who has no offensive mind.

Osorio seems to think that the counter attack is our bread and butter in that sort of situation. You've got to keep the ball a bit. Otherwise, their FB's just play up.


But, gosh Chicago is poor and I am so glad we don't have Yallop as our manger.

billyfly
07-02-2014, 09:58 PM
TFC have never won in Chicago.

Ultra & Proud
07-02-2014, 09:59 PM
I wonder what Defoe is telling his mates back in the EPL of the style of play in the MLS.

Probably telling them it's full of highly athletic pluggers who hang all over your ass like a pair of jeans after eating your fill at the buffet table. And then he probably bring up officiating and starts drinking.

adam1001
07-02-2014, 10:00 PM
I'm honestly done with Jackson and the reffing this season. How many times does Jackson have to play like a selfish ass on the pitch to be taken out?!

Oso should have moved to the wing with Orr playing centrally instead of having Jackson make a mess all night (other than the OPEN header)
Had Jackson missed that header, I would have personally bought his ticket back to Brazil.

billyfly
07-02-2014, 10:00 PM
^well put

reggie
07-02-2014, 10:03 PM
My conclusions from that game:



Jackson ain't good enough attack wise for how we play
Osorio is OK but we need another decent attacking oriented CM to be there when/if Bradley isn't available - put Osorio out on the Left instead of Jackson
A game crying out for Dike, and I thought this before Moore got his red
we do get a lot of red cards
Warner is fine enough for now but he's no Beckerman
Bloom is not as consistant as Morrow in covering his channels
Brennan doesn't have the guts to tell Caldwell to put his hands behind his back - going big might be his game, but Caldwell is going to get caught out by teams who study
Bendik looks plaintively to his FB's to give him an outlet - they don't provide it - Bendik kicks the ball to the other team



in conclusion....we need 5 or 6 new players.

portu
07-02-2014, 10:05 PM
I would of personally crucified at him BMO

Auzzy
07-02-2014, 10:06 PM
Tactically, yes. But, given who we had on the bench, and the paucity of forward options we have with 7 league games this month, I'm wondering how he could have changed things with a sub.

As Devos said, all they really did was release their FB's. It then falls on our midfield to hold the ball up, move it side to side a bit. Instead, what we did was focus on giving the ball to Jackson (Oduro won very few tackles) who has no offensive mind.

Osorio seems to think that the counter attack is our bread and butter in that sort of situation. You've got to keep the ball a bit. Otherwise, their FB's just play up.


But, gosh Chicago is poor and I am so glad we don't have Yallop as our manger.

It would have been very helpful to at least put in Orr earlier. Either for Osorio like he did; or for Jackon & push Osorio forward instead.

Osorio isn't very good defensively anyway, and was tired by the end of the game. As soon as Orr was on, I saw him tracking runners into the box, who had been running freely before & could have scored. Plus Orr is pretty good at passing & maintaining possession.

Areathrasher
07-02-2014, 10:08 PM
Add me to Done With Jackson camp.

Has to have the worst first touch in the history of Brazilian Professional Footballers.

ag futbol
07-02-2014, 10:09 PM
in conclusion....we need 5 or 6 new players.
Same old, same old. #1 on the shopping list has to be another striker (or if we ever decided to play with one: an attacking mid).

Thought they missed the mark with the most recent batch of acquisitions.

OgtheDim
07-02-2014, 10:16 PM
in conclusion....we need 5 or 6 new players.

4

3 immediately

a back up CM who either does box to box or is a playmaker (Beker ain't it)
a back up target man forward (even if Dike comes back in August, he won't be at full strength until March)
a wide left midfielder who can pass


Next season:

a younger quality DM to grow into the game

Bluenose13
07-02-2014, 10:16 PM
Undefeated in 6 games, scored a goal with 10 men and then held on for 60 minutes for a road tie...I will happily take that.

Bradley on his way back as we fight for 1st place in our division...easily the best and most exciting TFC team we have seen.

Can't wait for Saturday night.

Shakes McQueen
07-02-2014, 10:18 PM
4

3 immediately

a back up CM who either does box to box or is a playmaker (Beker ain't it)
a back up target man forward
a wide left midfielder who can pass


Next season:

a younger quality DM to grow into the game

We will be getting one "new" player, in the form of Michael Bradley, who hasn't suited up for TFC in what feels like forever.

molenshtain
07-02-2014, 10:19 PM
Same old, same old. #1 on the shopping list has to be another striker (or if we ever decided to play with one: an attacking mid).

Thought they missed the mark with the most recent batch of acquisitions.

What? Oduro is clearly better than Rey and Warner is obviously miles better than anything else we had in that position. these are useful squad players, how exactly did we miss the mark?

We also have six strikers including Oduro, two of them DP's. Why do we need a new one?

Also, just keep in mind that you're seeing this team pull off a six game unbeaten streak without the best player in the league.

Kaz
07-02-2014, 10:19 PM
We seem to be awfully willing to drag Defoe into those wide positions. It's at least advancing the ball further up the field but rule of thumb says that's not where we are going to get our money's worth out of him.

Issue being, outside of Defoe and Bradley, nobody on this team looks like scoring or even threatening to opposing keepers. If I'm playing TFC, I'm more than content to allow Moore, Jackson, and whoever else try to attack the 18 yard box and finish, because they are hesitant to do it and not very good at it.


Would have loved to see jackson come off, Osorio out wide DeRo in the centre for the last 15 minutes.

reggie
07-02-2014, 10:22 PM
4

3 immediately

a back up CM who either does box to box or is a playmaker (Beker ain't it)
a back up target man forward (even if Dike comes back in August, he won't be at full strength until March)
a wide left midfielder who can pass


Next season:

a younger quality DM to grow into the game

I like warner for now...Jackson has to sit,we hv 3 intl spots open,do something tim..a leftwinger/AM and maybe another striker.calling QPR?

ManUtd4ever
07-02-2014, 10:22 PM
Good result under the circumstances. Moore's red card was a joke, and Amarikwa's yellow card should have definitely resulted in an automatic ejection. TFC should have played with a man advantage for most of the match, but MLS officiating strikes again.

After Oduro almost scored the winner in the dying seconds, I was disappointed we didn't go for it on the ensuing corner.

Pint
07-02-2014, 10:22 PM
4

3 immediately

a back up CM who either does box to box or is a playmaker (Beker ain't it)
a back up target man forward (even if Dike comes back in August, he won't be at full strength until March)
a wide left midfielder who can pass


Next season:

a younger quality DM to grow into the game

Wide left Mid will be Osorio/Lovitz once Bradley is back and Lovitz healthy IMO

MightyDM
07-02-2014, 10:51 PM
Totally disagree. We were excellent until the red card, and then still very good thru half time. Some of the best soccer we have played - actually keeping posession, totally exploiting heir flanks. Lovely stuff.

MightyDM
07-02-2014, 10:58 PM
Who are the "most recent bank of acquisitios" that you think TFC has missed the mark with?

ag futbol
07-02-2014, 11:13 PM
Knowing Bradley I think he will expect and want to start. How do you really say no to a player like that? It's his nature to bust ass and he doesn't look like a guy who'd enjoy watching from the sidelines when uninjured.
If they don't have the balls to tell him no, they are in the wrong business. This club has been burned multiple times this season from rushing people back from injury or simply wearing players down. Professional athletes will always tell you they want to play, doesn't mean they should be out there.

ag futbol
07-02-2014, 11:39 PM
What? Oduro is clearly better than Rey and Warner is obviously miles better than anything else we had in that position. these are useful squad players, how exactly did we miss the mark?

We also have six strikers including Oduro, two of them DP's. Why do we need a new one?

Also, just keep in mind that you're seeing this team pull off a six game unbeaten streak without the best player in the league.
Warner is okay, I think he adds something. Oduro is overpaid for what he offers. Luke Moore is awful and we are wasting our time with that one. We could have set the bar higher.

I'm sure plenty of teams in this league have six strikers on their roster, it says nothing to their quality.

Unbeaten streak or not there are holes that need to be addressed.

Bluenose13
07-02-2014, 11:49 PM
If they don't have the balls to tell him no, they are in the wrong business. This club has been burned multiple times this season from rushing people back from injury or simply wearing players down. Professional athletes will always tell you they want to play, doesn't mean they should be out there.So if the USA had of won Bradley would play 90 minutes in the Brazil heat at World Cup pace on Saturday but we should rest him for a MLS game....Why?

molenshtain
07-03-2014, 12:06 AM
Warner is okay, I think he adds something. Oduro is overpaid for what he offers. Luke Moore is awful and we are wasting our time with that one. We could have set the bar higher.

I'm sure plenty of teams in this league have six strikers on their roster, it says nothing to their quality.

Unbeaten streak or not there are holes that need to be addressed.

but Luke moore is our third, maybe even fourth choice striker. Oduro, sure, probably isn't going to be starting on a championship team but this team as a whole is of far greater quality then they were even in April. what we have right now is not the be all and end all, It'll gradually get better until we can push for a championship. I don't understand this incessant need by so many to call for the heads of all players who have a night or two off. Bradley will also make everyone else look significantly better once he comes back, especially now that we're playing a pass and move style that better fits his attributes.

MartinUtd
07-03-2014, 12:58 AM
We got Luke Moore for Agboss, so even if you don't rate him and he does nothing for the rest of the season you could still say we got 2 goals for Agboss. If he hadn't have got that unfortunate red card we'd have probably seen De Rosario come on in the second half. As we were down a man, it made no sense to bring DeRo on for the likes of Osorio or Jackson.

Speaking of Jackson, minus the goal, was that his worst game for Toronto? He squandered chance after chance but I guess he can track back and defend better than Issey or Rey could, so he's stuck here for now.

I thought Osorio looked bad today as well. Slow decision making, poor passing and invisible for large portions of the match.

How many times is Caldwell going to get called for hand ball? Seriously, we should start a pool.

Is Hagglund our best CM? I'm trying not go get too excited here but he does everything right and is way too composed for a rookie. Fuck Omar Gonzalez, Hagglund for USMNT.

Lastly, watching Defoe with his hands on hips is starting to remind me of Jeff Cunningham. At least he's scoring and setting up goals though.

boozilla
07-03-2014, 01:20 AM
How many times is Caldwell going to get called for hand ball? Seriously, we should start a pool.

I called it early in the season. Caldwell likes to defend with his arm wide out, asking for a handball. Other teams have caught on to this.

Pookie
07-03-2014, 06:07 AM
Lastly, watching Defoe with his hands on hips is starting to remind me of Jeff Cunningham. At least he's scoring and setting up goals though.

I am trying to think of a midfield or forward player that he didn't have an issue with last night. Osorio would appear to be off his Christmas list based on all the hand gestures.

You have to hope that it is all heat of the moment stuff and off the pitch or during training it is the opposite.

Getting chewed out by a $6M man while I have to make a conscious decision as to whether I can afford a new t-shirt would wear thin pretty quickly.

JuliquE
07-03-2014, 06:09 AM
I think that was a yellow instead BUT...

It's not a "natural" motion by a jumper like our commentator tried to say like a fuckin dummy. Did the guy who got elbowed in the face have his natural elbows up. Lol


Moore should be who we're upset at people. It's stupidity.
Incredible - incredible - incredible.

"Natural" doesn't, for some random reason, have to mean that it will always robotically occur in every instance; it may also just mean that, if/when it happens, it's one of many possible "natural" motions, pending a number of circumstantial variables. Hence why judging based on whether or not the other guy did the exact same thing is flawed.

If you look at the 50-50 challenge, Moore only has eyes for the ball, and gives his best effort to get there ahead of the Fire player -- so stupid, I know.

JuliquE
07-03-2014, 06:44 AM
Contrary to Jason DeVos you don't need to hold your elbows our at a 90 degree angle when you jump to challenge on a header.
Again, he doesn't say you have to hold your elbows that way -- just that it can happen, sometimes, naturally (re: without malice); certainly not some sort of anomaly, as you see this sort of thing, regular, in leagues the world over.

Yellow -- fine.. but, never a red.

MartinUtd
07-03-2014, 07:53 AM
Given the attention to head injuries I can understand why it's at least a soft red. Not sure why we didn't get the same call for the exact same challenge in the 2nd half.

Still Kicking
07-03-2014, 07:55 AM
So if the USA had of won Bradley would play 90 minutes in the Brazil heat at World Cup pace on Saturday but we should rest him for a MLS game....Why?

I can see the merit of both arguments - Bradley plays or Bradley rests. USMNT in steamy Brazil heat is a Jurgen K decision based on tournament framework - there is no tomorrow.
MLS season has plenty of tomorrows. July schedule is stuffed to the gills. August, September and October are very important and how Bradley and Defoe play in November could determine the success of 2014. I think that if you give Bradley a break, you do it by delaying his return. Once he is in uniform, he may be a late game sub in first game back, but he will play. We fans want to see him channel the frustrations of World Cup into a MLS campaign of destruction and domination...

v00d00daddy
07-03-2014, 08:02 AM
Incredible - incredible - incredible.

"Natural" doesn't, for some random reason, have to mean that it will always robotically occur in every instance; it may also just mean that, if/when it happens, it's one of many possible "natural" motions, pending a number of circumstantial variables. Hence why judging based on whether or not the other guy did the exact same thing is flawed.

If you look at the 50-50 challenge, Moore only has eyes for the ball, and gives his best effort to get there ahead of the Fire player -- so stupid, I know.

Totally agree. That's why I think he should have only gotten a yellow. Because I don't think he intended on injuring anyone.

That being said, Moore has to understand that when you cut someone with an elbow on a header the ref may be a dummy and assume you were being dirty.

That's all I meant. I thought the ref fucked up.

v00d00daddy
07-03-2014, 08:08 AM
Given the attention to head injuries I can understand why it's at least a soft red. Not sure why we didn't get the same call for the exact same challenge in the 2nd half.

You talking about the bicycle kick attempt on Caldwell? Cause it's not the same. Either way, yellow card was the right call on that.

Player does something on a 50/50 chance without worrying about opponents position but doesn't try to injure him. He tries to kick the ball (like a dummy lol).

Turns out he hits his opponent and is given the yellow he deserved for being careless...not trying to injure.

Add that it's an attempt to kick a ball and not an elbow that hits a guy while you're heading a ball AND Caldwell wasn't injured he way the Chicago player was.