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Oldtimer
02-21-2014, 01:12 PM
A game against a D-3 club. What will we see? Some of the depth players playing? Or more first-team minutes to get up to speed?

Ron Manager
02-21-2014, 02:19 PM
All for the depth getting a shot but I would love to see Bradley/Oso and Caldwell/Henry get time together. Important chemistry to build there
.

tfcleeds
02-21-2014, 02:20 PM
Hopefully see Bloom/Orr at the RB position.

Pint
02-21-2014, 02:24 PM
Well i'm sure the braziliand will need time (get them up to 70 min) and like has been stated above getting henry/caldwell as well as bradley/oso time together is necessary. Hopefully our RB's can get some min as well since we only have 2 more preseason games left.

I see our starters getting a fair chunk of the rest of the games to get them fully fit for the start of the season

Canary10
02-21-2014, 02:29 PM
Thought I saw that Orr has a bit of an injury?

Red I
02-21-2014, 02:37 PM
Any chance this will be streamed?

Kaz
02-21-2014, 03:17 PM
15-0 Orlando... but we will play without a keeper to try to keep Henry sharp. ... I could be wrong though... only like 80% :)

Red CB Toronto
02-21-2014, 03:18 PM
A game against a D-3 club. What will we see? Some of the depth players playing? Or more first-team minutes to get up to speed?

It will be interesting, I would go all first team to start just to keep everyone going. Also Orlando is starting to sign players with MLS play in mind, so not truly a D3 squad.

notthesun
02-21-2014, 03:50 PM
Thought I saw that Orr has a bit of an injury?

Yes, he guessed he'd be out about a week, I don't expect him to play just for precautionary reasons. Would like to see Bloom though.

Leedsoronto
02-22-2014, 08:14 AM
Any chance this will be streamed?

Does it matter, the streams are so frustrating :@(

akoto
02-22-2014, 09:39 AM
TFC twitter feed says the game will be streaming on torontofc.ca

tfcocd
02-22-2014, 10:27 AM
TFC twitter feed says the game will be streaming on torontofc.ca

Would it be available on utube after or replayed anywhere afterwards?

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 01:49 PM
The last Disney game was shown on GOL in a game in a hour format, so look to see if this one is shown too.

JamboAl
02-22-2014, 01:52 PM
I'm about 90 mins from the Disney Complex but because of family commitments, I can't attend. Sooo disappointed. May have to watch by streaming like the rest of you.

MartinUtd
02-22-2014, 01:58 PM
I'm hoping I can see Richter and Agbossoumonde at CB. Hopefully not together, but 45 minutes each. Richter's shift to the middle has me curious since he's a big guy and pretty quick. Conversely, I'm not ready to say Agboss is shit, but I haven't been too impressed by what I've seen from his limited time.

KRO
02-22-2014, 02:05 PM
We're having a break in Orlando and will be at tonight's game. Thunderstorms at the moment and more forecast for this evening. "We only win when it's raining" but it will be worth getting wet (again).

KRO
02-22-2014, 02:33 PM
Columbus Philly game started nearly an hour late due to storms. This may affect later kick off times especially if we get more weather.

JamboAl
02-22-2014, 04:48 PM
It's clear in Tampa right now. But we had some major rain about 5 hrs ago.

mowe
02-22-2014, 05:00 PM
This doesn't bode well for the stream...

Yohan
02-22-2014, 05:10 PM
This doesn't bode well for the stream...
stream and conditions are good as of right now. Callum Williams (SKC PBP guy) looks to call the game again

Yohan
02-22-2014, 06:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg5j-vkP3uA
Montreal-NY just started now, and the monsoon has returned

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 07:17 PM
#TFCLive Starting XI: Bendik, Agbossoumonde, Caldwell, Richter, Morgan, Jackson, Hall, Bekker, Lambe, Aparicio, Wiedeman

notthesun
02-22-2014, 07:27 PM
Interesting. I like that Caldwell is out there to help Richter out at CB and the rest of the back line.

Is Bloom injured or something?

akoto
02-22-2014, 07:36 PM
#TFCLive Starting XI: Bendik, Agbossoumonde, Caldwell, Richter, Morgan, Jackson, Hall, Bekker, Lambe, Aparicio, Wiedeman

That's an interesting starting 11. Not what I was expecting at all. I wonder how much time these guys will get. I was hoping for closer to our opening day starting lineup so that they could get time to gel in a real game situation. I guess these guys needs more minutes as well though. Either way, can't wait until kick off.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 07:47 PM
That's an interesting starting 11. Not what I was expecting at all. I wonder how much time these guys will get. I was hoping for closer to our opening day starting lineup so that they could get time to gel in a real game situation. I guess these guys needs more minutes as well though. Either way, can't wait until kick off.
Orlando isn't that tough team, so good way to test the reserves. first team for the final game on wed

notthesun
02-22-2014, 08:08 PM
Remember, I'm pretty sure some Wilmington staff is with TFC for this tournament, and if they aren't they'll be looking at tape. Orlando is a USL Pro team so it's the sort of competition any loanees should expect. Good chance for Aparicio, possibly Bekker to show what they can do against a USL side. Wouldn't surprise me to see Roberts step in goal in the 2nd half.

mastermixer
02-22-2014, 08:09 PM
Is there an iPad friendly stream of the game? TFC website says I need flash

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 08:10 PM
No luck with the YouTube stream so far. Anybody else have it working? I am trying to watch on iPhone.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 08:11 PM
Is there an iPad friendly stream of the game? TFC website says I need flash
mlssoccer.com/live

Heart of Stone
02-22-2014, 08:12 PM
Seems to be coming on now...

Alonso
02-22-2014, 08:13 PM
No luck with the YouTube stream so far. Anybody else have it working? I am trying to watch on iPhone.

Yeah my stream is running. I'm on TFC stream though....

Game hasn't started yet.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4bBArRQ5M

Alonso
02-22-2014, 08:16 PM
Players are taking the field

Parkdale
02-22-2014, 08:16 PM
so, a few minutes late to start... let's go boys!

COME ON YOU REDS!

Jpexxx
02-22-2014, 08:24 PM
Is that Jackson wearing number 11?

notthesun
02-22-2014, 08:24 PM
Pretty brisk early pace to this one.

edit: Yes Jackson is 11.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:29 PM
some nice combination passing. the lads seem more comfortable on the ball

jloome
02-22-2014, 08:29 PM
some nice combination passing. the lads seem more comfortable on the ball

Man, it's weird shit like playing Boss at right back that makes me doubt Nelsen.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 08:30 PM
I'm really not impressed with jackson, he's like a worse version of pablo vitti

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 08:32 PM
I like hearing the chants of the Orlando City supporters, gives the broadcast a nice feel.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 08:33 PM
penalty? lol!

notthesun
02-22-2014, 08:34 PM
Penalty? I missed it, what happened?

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:34 PM
penal!

mowe
02-22-2014, 08:34 PM
Woooo we scored!

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 08:34 PM
Goal, Bekker

tfcleeds
02-22-2014, 08:35 PM
Bekker, 1-0!

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:35 PM
I swear I just heard Redcoe say 'TFC' lol

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 08:35 PM
bekker cool calm collected.

on a side note..... why has pasher not seen any 1st team action.

If anyone remembers some of his sick tackles from the liverpool game last year.

flamehawk
02-22-2014, 08:36 PM
bekker cool calm collected.

on a side note..... why has pasher not seen any 1st team action.

If anyone remembers some of his sick tackles from the liverpool game last year.

I am pretty sure Pasher was released in is playing in lower division Scandanavia

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:36 PM
bekker cool calm collected.

on a side note..... why has pasher not seen any 1st team action.

If anyone remembers some of his sick tackles from the liverpool game last year.
because he was released and now plays for 2nd div Finland team

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 08:37 PM
weedman needs to thread that ball to jackson , get yer damn head up!

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:37 PM
Man, it's weird shit like playing Boss at right back that makes me doubt Nelsen.
shit RB, but is hitting his long range passes with his left foot. weird

jloome
02-22-2014, 08:37 PM
Nice ball from Bekker there. Playing more aggressively, good to see.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:38 PM
nice long range cross from Bekker. pinpoint hitting running Jackson on the head

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 08:38 PM
because he was released and now plays for 2nd div Finland team
What kind of money would he be making in Finland?

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:40 PM
What kind of money would he be making in Finland?
judging by state of Finnish league, not much. probably USL money

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 08:43 PM
Did we trade Rhythm Nation to Orlando for allocation?

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 08:45 PM
Most of the long balls by TFC are so useless, they don't have the bodies upfront to do anything with them.

jloome
02-22-2014, 08:45 PM
If he hurt his knee, why is he grabbing his face?

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 08:46 PM
If he hurt his knee, why is he grabbing his face?

Maybe he kneed himself in the face?

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 08:47 PM
On another note, I'm thinking the lack of a real RB these two games means that something is up with Bloom - has he got a knock?

AlanO
02-22-2014, 08:47 PM
Bendik with cat-like reflexes

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:47 PM
nice reflex save by bendik on that deflected shot

tfcleeds
02-22-2014, 08:50 PM
Did we trade Rhythm Nation to Orlando for allocation?

Apparenty, they have a supporters group called Orlando Natural Riddim Section.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:50 PM
TFC getting ripped apart on right flank. Boss needs more help from Lambe

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 08:51 PM
Vintage Bednik, great shot stopper, woefully inaccurate distribution.

moralis
02-22-2014, 08:51 PM
Until Nelsen is gone TFC will still play long balls and not keep the ball and play through the ground. It's again too direct. Old England tactics.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:53 PM
what a terrible giveaway by Bekker.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 08:54 PM
Until Nelsen is gone TFC will still play long balls and not keep the ball and play through the ground. It's again too direct. Old England tactics.

I think they would actually like to keep the ball & build up play, but they don't have a clue what to do when the other team crowds the midfield to stop their buildup. Just like vs. Columbus.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 08:55 PM
We have absolutely nothing going forward.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:55 PM
Until Nelsen is gone TFC will still play long balls and not keep the ball and play through the ground. It's again too direct. Old England tactics.
Orlando is playing 5 in the midfield and choking out Bekker's ability to pass. TFC isn't getting enough players in the midfield to help out at the right time

notthesun
02-22-2014, 08:56 PM
Worked the ball well out of the back there.

jloome
02-22-2014, 08:57 PM
what a terrible giveaway by Bekker.

About a minute ago, he had 40 yards of clear field ahead of him to the box ... and he pushed it wide.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 08:57 PM
Bekker is making the right passes most of the time when he isn't getting crowded out though. encouraging

moralis
02-22-2014, 08:57 PM
That's what training is for. Pass and move. It's not that difficult. It's about positioning and finding open space. Look at other MLS teams. Look at their possession rates during the regular season. They usually win.

UltraSuperMegaMo
02-22-2014, 08:59 PM
I looked on the Twitter feed, I'd be interested to know who's on the bench?

jloome
02-22-2014, 08:59 PM
Why are we sitting 15 yards behind the half life defensively? Man, so far this looks like last year's team. Cohesiveness, schmohesiveness.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:00 PM
this Boden guy for Orlando is having way too much space on right flank. Boss needs to be more aware of him

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:01 PM
That's what training is for. Pass and move. It's not that difficult. It's about positioning and finding open space. Look at other MLS teams. Look at their possession rates during the regular season. They usually win.

LOL at all the TFC players just standing & staring at Jeremy Hall when he had the ball a few minutes ago in the midfield. So of course Hall gets the ball stripped, didn't have anywhere to go except maybe way back.

jloome
02-22-2014, 09:02 PM
If we played like this against an MLS club, we'd get slaughtered. ANY MLS club

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:03 PM
nice bit of pass and move there between Weedman and lambe

UltraSuperMegaMo
02-22-2014, 09:04 PM
Well, this is kind of a B team for us.

Alonso
02-22-2014, 09:04 PM
Thank you to MLS/TFC/Orlando or who ever is responsible for the proper stream.

Is this too much to ask for?

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:04 PM
Until Nelsen is gone TFC will still play long balls and not keep the ball and play through the ground. It's again too direct. Old England tactics.

:p

A preseason game with the B team out there is not going to tell us how we are going to play during the regular season.

That and with Bradley and Osorio, we didn't do this.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 09:04 PM
If we played like this against an MLS club, we'd get slaughtered. ANY MLS club

We did last game. And indeed we got slaughtered, despite what the scoreline said.

jloome
02-22-2014, 09:04 PM
Well, this is kind of a B team for us.

But why even keep some of these guys when there's not a whit of improvement from last year? Our movment is awful, our work rate shoddy;

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:06 PM
If we played like this against an MLS club, we'd get slaughtered. ANY MLS club

Good thing we're not going to start our reserve team in MLS

adam1001
02-22-2014, 09:08 PM
Good thing we're not going to start our reserve team in MLS

But you would think that even our reserve team should be comfortably ahead of the D3 team that is OC.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:08 PM
Thank you to MLS/TFC/Orlando or who ever is responsible for the proper stream.

Is this too much to ask for?

For real. I don't want to jinx it but I think this is the first TFC stream I've ever watched that had no issues.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 09:08 PM
Concerning that two entirely different groups of TFC players seem to face similar tactical obstacles in getting past a team that crowds the mid.

Alonso
02-22-2014, 09:09 PM
So should we bring the "A" team on for the last half and slaughter these guys, or see which guys we keep for the season and which ones we send to Wilmington?

I vote for the later.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:10 PM
But you would think that even our reserve team should be comfortably ahead of the D3 team that is OC.

Not with a reserve CB playing RB and a reserve RB playing CB. Don't ask me why we're doing this though because I don't have an answer for you.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 09:11 PM
So should we bring the "A" team on for the last half and slaughter these guys, or see which guys we keep for the season and which ones we send to Wilmington?

I vote for the later.

I don't think that the intention is to slaughter anybody. But with the season starting so soon, maybe we should be focusing on building cohesiveness in the first team, no matter how weak the opposition is.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:12 PM
Concerning that two entirely different groups of TFC players seem to face similar tactical obstacles in getting past a team that crowds the mid.

Agreed!

Need to mix it up. For example, fullbacks are never dribbling up the flanks (and we haven't had the right players for that especially on the right). If fact, almost nobody tries to dribble through anything. (Jackson tried, but gets lost, keeps his head down, and doesn't pass the ball quick enough after getting past a few opponents.) So the opponents can just crowd the midfield, wait to step up & intercept passes, or wait for a desperation long ball over the top which never goes anywhere.

AlanO
02-22-2014, 09:13 PM
So should we bring the "A" team on for the last half and slaughter these guys, or see which guys we keep for the season and which ones we send to Wilmington?

I vote for the later.
Yup.

This starting XI is clearly an audition for the younger / fringe players. Let's see what they can do over 90 minutes.

moralis
02-22-2014, 09:14 PM
I think our possession will be better then last season with Bradley, but not much better. We will see.

Alonso
02-22-2014, 09:17 PM
I don't think that the intention is to slaughter anybody. But with the season starting so soon, maybe we should be focusing on building cohesiveness in the first team, no matter how weak the opposition is.


Fair enough. Then I would say to you that our preseason wasn't long enough, and that is the fault of our team management.

We should have 3 games to assess who is staying and who is going, and 3 games to have our starting 11 with a few (say 4) players who will be regular subs start to play and gel.

A 4 game preseason with 1 game playing our starting 11 seems daft.


EDIT: If the team had a few new players then this preseason would be fine. But we are integrating a lot of new players and 4 games doesn't cut it in my opinion.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:18 PM
For real. I don't want to jinx it but I think this is the first TFC stream I've ever watched that had no issues.

Its funny because a few people on twitter are complaining about the lag. I just keep it back about 5 minutes and I'm fine.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:18 PM
I think our possession will be better then last season with Bradley, but not much better. We will see.

I think when Bradley, Osorio, Defoe, Gilberto, Jackson, Rey, and a few others get to know each other, things should be better. But that may take a while.

I really hope our final choice of fullbacks will be better than what we've seen.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:20 PM
The stream's been working great for me. If there's a problem for some, I don't think it's due to the stream from Orlando. Probably congestion somewhere else along the line.

SoccMan2
02-22-2014, 09:21 PM
Sorry but I still have no faith in Nelson I hope I'm wrong but this organization might soon find out that with all the good they have tried to do this off season they forgot to make one important move in finding a new coach to lead this team forward.

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 09:21 PM
Bradley and DeRo in, good to see.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:22 PM
Fair enough. Then I would say to you that our preseason wasn't long enough, and that is the fault of our team management.

We should have 3 games to assess who is staying and who is going, and 3 games to have our starting 11 with a few (say 4) players who will be regular subs start to play and gel.

A 4 game preseason with 1 game playing our starting 11 seems daft.


http://www.mlssoccer.com/preseason/2014/club-schedules


Seems to indicate we have what most teams have. This is our 5th game, by that account.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:22 PM
But you would think that even our reserve team should be comfortably ahead of the D3 team that is OC.
starters on Orlando city should be about depth level for MLS. Orlando city is about NASL level

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:24 PM
Sorry but I still have no faith in Nelson I hope I'm wrong but this organization might soon find out that with all the good they have tried to do this off season they forgot to make one important move in finding a new coach to lead this team forward.

No Nelsen, no Defoe and no Cesar. i.e Without him, a lot of this offseason doesn't happen.

Can we please give it a little farther then halfway through the 5th game into the preseason to judge this coach with this team?

UltraSuperMegaMo
02-22-2014, 09:24 PM
Is DeRo the first TFC player to comeback? I seem to recall Tyler Hemming came and went back but I don't know if he ever played second time round.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 09:26 PM
Is that tosh.0 in net for orlando :o

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:27 PM
Its funny because a few people on twitter are complaining about the lag. I just keep it back about 5 minutes and I'm fine.

Youtube? Not an instant of lag for me on the TFC live page.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:28 PM
zero complaints about stream here... running youtube stream. good quality too

Alonso
02-22-2014, 09:28 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/preseason/2014/club-schedules


Seems to indicate we have what most teams have. This is our 5th game, by that account.

I think they're wrong. Those first two games didn't happen as far as I know... unless it was indoors in a secret facility.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 09:28 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/preseason/2014/club-schedules


Seems to indicate we have what most teams have. This is our 5th game, by that account.

except TFC didnt play the first two......

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:28 PM
Nice bit by Bradley to get that attacking moving on that first shot.

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 09:28 PM
Man, can the production quality change with streams from one game to the next, just in camera shots, graphics etc. Tonight is pretty good.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 09:28 PM
oh and bendik is playing much better than cesar :s

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:29 PM
bendik really making a statement

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:30 PM
LOL I jinxed it. 2nd half the stream sucks for me as well. If I try to pause it to buffer more, it will jump back to live mode when I restart, so it's no use.

How does one run it a few seconds behind on purpose?

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:31 PM
zero complaints about stream here... running youtube stream. good quality too


What is the Youtube stream, can you send the link please? Thanks

Alonso
02-22-2014, 09:31 PM
No Nelsen, no Defoe and no Cesar. i.e Without him, a lot of this offseason doesn't happen.

Can we please give it a little farther then halfway through the 5th game into the preseason to judge this coach with this team?


If there is no Defoe, maybe there is no Bradley? Also without Nelson is there Caldewell, Orr?

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 09:32 PM
Bendik is really on tonight, great to see.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:32 PM
oh dear. another defensive gaff. get it out of the system now boys

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:32 PM
What is the Youtube stream, can you send the link please? Thanks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4bBArRQ5M

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:32 PM
What is the Youtube stream, can you send the link please? Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4bBArRQ5M

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:33 PM
I don't know why Dennis Chinn can't make it on an MLS squad. he's pretty good

UltraSuperMegaMo
02-22-2014, 09:33 PM
Denis Chin = Bright Dike replacement?

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:33 PM
Richter essentially all over the place at CB which is about what you'd expect.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:33 PM
Thanks guys.

Ivy
02-22-2014, 09:34 PM
Bendik.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:35 PM
I'm wondering if Bloom is injured as well as Orr.

First game against D.C. we played Mannella (academy kid) then Laba RB. Last game was Hagglund, now it's Boss. I can only assume Bloom must be out because there'd be no reason not to have him playing instead.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 09:35 PM
Agbooo is having a great game.....

flamehawk
02-22-2014, 09:36 PM
Denis Chin = Bright Dike replacement?

Wouldn't mind that at all. Chin has played well the few times I have watched Orlando

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:38 PM
Some better passing & buildup now.

UltraSuperMegaMo
02-22-2014, 09:38 PM
Wouldn't mind that at all. Chin has played well the few times I have watched Orlando

Seems to be there's lots of big willing runners, power forward types at lower league teams. The only catch with them is typically they don't score too much. Every lower league team in England has a couple.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:38 PM
Bekker just makes my head shake. He's out there with Bradley going forward and sits back and watches. Find a space to receive a pass.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:39 PM
Hagglund on at RB in place of Boss. Bloom has got to be injured.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 09:40 PM
Bekker has to get focused. He is making some critically dumb mistakes.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:40 PM
Definitely in pre-season mode right now. Bradley with a Dunfield-like dead giveaway in CM, lol

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:42 PM
slightly better first touch by weedman and TFC would have had a 2 v1. oh well

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:43 PM
Nice attempt from outside the box by Rey. Required the save.

jloome
02-22-2014, 09:44 PM
Bekker has to get focused. He is making some critically dumb mistakes.

Not many acquitting themselves tonight. No improvement in player movement that I can see over the first three exhibition games. I'm starting to think Nelsen's a "just let them play" coach, in which case he'll be gone by June.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:45 PM
Hagglund on at RB in place of Boss. Bloom has got to be injured.

TFC twitter just said he has a slight knock.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 09:46 PM
weedman is awful.

mowe
02-22-2014, 09:46 PM
Wieds is a great guy, but it's time to put Gilberto on.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 09:46 PM
This just in, Lambe still can't cross. Christ.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:47 PM
Man oh man get Weeds off the field. He looked half decent a few times in the first half. Now he's worse than useless.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 09:48 PM
This just in, Lambe still can't cross. Christ.
I cannot believe this guy is still on the team. Speechless

SoccMan2
02-22-2014, 09:48 PM
Wiedman and Lambe suck they don't belong in the MLS maybe a Sunday morning beer bloody league!

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 09:50 PM
Not many acquitting themselves tonight. No improvement in player movement that I can see over the first three exhibition games. I'm starting to think Nelsen's a "just let them play" coach, in which case he'll be gone by June.
Watching this team move the ball reminds of John Carver's TFC in year 3 or worse: Canada under Dale Mitchell.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:50 PM
Like the good old days, long kicks from the keeper straight to a short guy like Weeds, so productive.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 09:51 PM
can u hear Toronto sing? lol

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:51 PM
..I'm starting to think Nelsen's a "just let them play" coach, in which case he'll be gone by June.

The way Bendik talked about how Bradley and Osorio are coming back to start things indicates to me there is a plan. Whether it can adjust to flooded midfields we'll have to see.

jloome
02-22-2014, 09:52 PM
The way Bendik talked about how Bradley and Osorio are coming back to start things indicates to me there is a plan. Whether it can adjust to flooded midfields we'll have to see.

Problematically, none of the midfielders today were doing that, which suggests to me it's Bradley's plan, not Nelsen's.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 09:54 PM
Who's Daniel Lovitz?

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:55 PM
Who's Daniel Lovitz?
LW drafted this year

jloome
02-22-2014, 09:55 PM
We're lucky we're not losing this game. Again, I don't care if it's the subs and pre-season; our movement is much poorer than Orlando's.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 09:55 PM
It's pretty sad when a USL team can get better movement out of their strikers than we can.

I know it's pre-season and all, but we've yet to see too many spells of play where TFC has actually brought it all together.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:56 PM
and I guess that's why Dennis Chinn doesn't play in MLS.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 09:57 PM
Problematically, none of the midfielders today were doing that, which suggests to me it's Bradley's plan, not Nelsen's.

Or Hall and Bendik can't adjust to pressure, which is worrying. Osorio was doing this the other day from what I saw, btw.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 09:58 PM
I <3 bedsheet tifos

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:01 PM
Feck this looks bad.

Is Gilberto injured or what?

Alonso
02-22-2014, 10:01 PM
I http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/images/smilies/heart.gif bedsheet tifos

LOL with freehand spray paint letters Montreal style!

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:03 PM
[QUOTE=Yohan;1645032]

LOL with freehand spray paint letters Montreal style!

But bedsheet TIFO is one step up from garbage bag TIFO.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 10:03 PM
Is it time to worry yet?

Alonso
02-22-2014, 10:04 PM
[QUOTE=Alonso;1645034]

But bedsheet TIFO is one step up from garbage bag TIFO.


True dat.

They are clearly more sophisticated.

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 10:05 PM
Chin is getting chances. Need to lock him down.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 10:05 PM
dear lord. how the hell do you leave a guy that open for a free header?

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:05 PM
LOL our post quotes all got messed up.

Orlando should be up be 3 or 4.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:05 PM
Is it time to worry yet?

If we play like this vs. Seattle, then yes.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:06 PM
have we even made it out of our half? Defoe is gonna have to carry this team on his back hard.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 10:06 PM
How can this team be so far back defensively and still have nobody marked solidly at the back?

adam1001
02-22-2014, 10:07 PM
We're making OC look like Barcelona.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:07 PM
cut hagglund please, and morrow is actually a downgrade from morgan wtf.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:07 PM
Why the FUCK is Weeds still out there? Where's Gilberto? Can't they play Jordan Hamilton or SOMEBODY??

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:07 PM
This is embarrassing to watch, as usual.

Seriously, Adrian Heath or Ryan Nelsen? Heath turned us down, but that was before the big spend.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 10:07 PM
Bendik's the only player to come away with credibility tonight. Maybe Bekker and Rey

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
Well, that had to happen.

tfcleeds
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
Seattle is gonna murder us.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
LOL same old same old less than 3 minutes left.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
lulz. this is poor

flamehawk
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
Bendik's the only player to come away with credibility tonight. Maybe Bekker and Rey

I'd just have Bendik and Rey as coming away with credibility. We're in a lot of trouble if this is how we're going to be playing for the season.

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
You could see that coming from a million miles away, it was only a matter of time before Orlando found the net.

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:08 PM
I've said it before about a thousand times, but there's a reason so many of our players have success at other teams. They're well coached.

Alonso
02-22-2014, 10:09 PM
LOL our post quotes all got messed up.

Orlando should be up be 3 or 4.


Yeah man.

What is going on with the mesage board?

I quoted Yohan and had to edit it because it posted all fucked up.

Then I reply with a quote from Auzzy, and the post says that I made the original post that I am quoting when it was actually Auzzy?

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:09 PM
Bendik's the only player to come away with credibility tonight. Maybe Bekker and Rey

Sorry I think Bekker mostly sucked as well. Looks like a decent 3rd-division player.

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 10:09 PM
I believe that we will win

flamehawk
02-22-2014, 10:10 PM
You could see that coming from a million miles away, it was only a matter of time before Orlando found the net.

We're lucky that it isn't 3 - 1 right now.

SoccMan2
02-22-2014, 10:10 PM
Nelson needs to go now nothing has changed he has no clue, same shit different season, a sad display!

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:10 PM
cut hagglund please, and morrow is actually a downgrade from morgan wtf.



Ummm..........do you seriously think that first bit is going to happen?

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:10 PM
hagglund needs to be sent out and I'd put morgan on infront of morrow. Hopefully ORR is ready to go

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:11 PM
Ummm..........do you seriously think that first bit is going to happen?

I hope he is loaned out at least. 1 of the 5

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:11 PM
Sorry I think Bekker mostly sucked as well. Looks like a decent 3rd-division player.

Agreed.

I just get the sense that Nelsen isn't ready for primetime. There's no prescribed support movement, there's no hustle from our second-stringers to get back into position and cover defensively. I may sound like I'm harping, but I'm going to write a column on the fact that his days are numbered unless we see something bright in the first few weeks of the season. Because that was an embarrassing shitshow.

Leedsoronto
02-22-2014, 10:11 PM
You could see that coming from a million miles away, it was only a matter of time before Orlando found the net.

And they scored twice too, Orlando wil be a happy crowd now. They played well.
Did we even have a shot in the last 30?

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:12 PM
And they scored twice too, Orlando wil be a happy crowd now. They played well.
Did we even have a shot in the last 30?

Did we have a shot on other than the penalty?

mowe
02-22-2014, 10:12 PM
I'm starting to get worried. We only have two more scheduled games before the season starts. I know we're missing some key players but this team has a long way to go.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:13 PM
Did we have a shot on other than the penalty?

Lambe, Rey, the Weedman........

Joe Kool
02-22-2014, 10:14 PM
I know just preseason but frustrating seeing no attack again then they even started to sit back and let Orlando attack. Did we even get a shot on net in the 2nd half? I didn't expect much in preseason but I expected more than this. So many bad passes too giving up the ball. Brutal to watch.

flamehawk
02-22-2014, 10:14 PM
Did we have a shot on other than the penalty?

Other than the shot by Rey and when Aparacio fluffed at the ball right in front of the net, I don't think we had.

flatpicker
02-22-2014, 10:15 PM
I only caught the last 20 mins, but damn that was awful. I realize it was preseason, but watching that just gave me flashbacks to all the shit I've seen from this team in the past. I'm nervous about this coming season. I sure hope they figure out quickly what it is they're trying to do out there.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:15 PM
A few things.

1. we played better in the 1st with second string team.

2. Hagglund is very weak. I mean very weak.

3. Morrow may be fit as a fiddle, but he is slower than on straight speed morgan and more of a defensive liability.

Alonso
02-22-2014, 10:15 PM
Agreed.

I just get the sense that Nelsen isn't ready for primetime. There's no prescribed support movement, there's no hustle from our second-stringers to get back into position and cover defensively. I may sound like I'm harping, but I'm going to write a column on the fact that his days are numbered unless we see something bright in the first few weeks of the season. Because that was an embarrassing shitshow.


Our preseason and first game against KC last year under Nelsen were the opposite of this.

Guys were pressing hard up the field and applying a lot of pressure. They were running hard, and causing turnovers resulting in goals for us. Not sure what is going on right now...

cochrdoc
02-22-2014, 10:15 PM
I felt I was watching the TFC of old.You could see the panic set in and another late goal off a corner.Orlando much more entertaining to watch.If Chin could finish he would of scored 3.But it`s only exhibition.We still carry a lot of dead weight on this squad.Only saw the second half,but not much created.

adam1001
02-22-2014, 10:16 PM
We seriously have to drop the "this is preseason, don't worry" attitude. Nelsen has got to create some spark on this team. Otherwise, this season will not be pretty.

flamehawk
02-22-2014, 10:16 PM
Lambe, Rey, the Weedman........

I don't think Lambe and Weid's shots were on target.

reggie
02-22-2014, 10:16 PM
that was a shitshow...I hope they are enjoying ther holiday...weeds out,morgan sucks,can we fucking play a real right back...bekker send him down to the marlies...I never seen him run full speed...COME ON MAN...

tfcleeds
02-22-2014, 10:17 PM
All of the sudden, I'm not looking as forward to March 15 as I was before. Based on tonight, we've got so much work to do yet.

billyfly
02-22-2014, 10:17 PM
Same 'ol BS.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:17 PM
that was a shitshow...I hope they are enjoying ther holiday...weeds out,morgan sucks,can we fucking play a real right back...bekker send him down to the marlies...I never seen him run full speed...COME ON MAN...


Morgan was one of the few making runs in the first, as well as being pretty solid. Are you sure you werent thinking of morrow subbed into the 2nd?

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:18 PM
I hope he is loaned out at least. 1 of the 5


You do know that before the other night he has never played RB in his life, right?

I agree on him being loaned out but only because he needs to adjust to pro pace as a CD, which is where he is going to play for us, if at all, this season. Not because of his play in these two games. Frankly, Bekker and Hall are a more troubling case as an analyis of there play season over season sees little change.

And Aparicio wasn't up to pace either.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:20 PM
You do know that before the other night he has never played RB in his life, right?

I agree on him being loaned out but only because he needs to adjust to pro pace as a CD, which is where he is going to play for us, if at all, this season. Not because of his play in these two games. Frankly, Bekker and Hall are a more troubling case as an analyis of there play season over season sees little change.

And Aparicio wasn't up to pace either.


pretty much what i was thinking. didn't elaborate too much onto it.

Hall is his usual self I don't know why you would be surprised...... as for bekker it was more of a rollercoaster He is young and you could see the spark he got after the goal followed by the letdown of his play after the initial burst of confidence.

bman27
02-22-2014, 10:20 PM
People need to take a step back if they think this game was about anything other than fitness. You cannot judge any team by preseason results, especially against lower division sides

SoccMan2
02-22-2014, 10:21 PM
They need to do the right thing now no sense in waiting we all know what is awaiting this team a very slow start. Nelson has no clue he had no clue last year and does not have it this season . MLSE find a coach now no sense in waiting!

Yohan
02-22-2014, 10:22 PM
lol. let's fire a coach based upon preseason results. because that makes so much sense

cochrdoc
02-22-2014, 10:23 PM
lower division side who have not been training as long as TFC.Did they get together this week

Joe Kool
02-22-2014, 10:24 PM
I thought we would see more of a 1st team lineup today since they need time to gel. Not too many games left to get gelling...

notthesun
02-22-2014, 10:25 PM
My thoughts:


2 years ago we made the final of this tournament, beat L.A. over two legs, then went 0-9 in MLS. Preseason means precisely squat.

See you guys on Wednesday.

billyfly
02-22-2014, 10:25 PM
Nelsen is on a short leash. Too much $$$ involved

sashavukelich
02-22-2014, 10:26 PM
interesting assessment from some of you guys..

1) Reggie Lambe needs to be released...ridiculous use of an international slot (that could be traded for something if we don't need it), offered literally nothing beside that pen, and gave the ball away so much. You could here Nelsen yelling at him throughout the first half to get moving.

2) Nick Hagglund, tons of enthusiasm, only 4 weeks into his professional career pretty much...people need to lay off the 'cut/loan' talk... Imagine yourself 4 weeks into your actual profession.

3) Jackson looks dangerous when moving forward.

4) Besides bradley, our partnering centre mid's need to be more mobile so that we can stop bypassing our midfield with aimless long balls that turn over possession.

5) Bendik definitely didn't just have a fluke season, absolutely great goal tending.

6) Richter i'm not convinced about as a long term prospect sadly.

7) Gale Boss....what on earth has happened to this guy...once got a USMNT Cap....how the mighty have fallen.

8) Bekker great first touch....frankly, i think he's too lazy to make it in MLS.

Auzzy
02-22-2014, 10:26 PM
What was Mariner's title when Winter was still here? That should be Nelsen's title. I love his Rolodex, his coaching not so much. Bez the capologist, to work the MLS rules, and get the North American bargain players. Hire a real top-notch coach.

Maybe Nelsen will be good eventually. But there is absolutely zero patience from the whole city for Nelsen to learn on the job. Not in the 8th year. Not with the money they've spent. Not on the 99th rebuild.

I wouldn't even go ballistic on the players. The vast majority would find a spot & be half decent on a well-coached MLS team. Wiedeman for example, OK backup striker, but why the hell play him 90 minutes? He's not good enough to start anyway, and clearly was 100% gassed the whole 2nd half.

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:26 PM
People need to take a step back if they think this game was about anything other than fitness. You cannot judge any team by preseason results, especially against lower division sides

We're not. We're judging it on the quality of play as a whole. Preseason schmeseason, we just got walked over by a 3rd division squad. If Dennis Chin could finish that game could've been 4-1 easily. Against an MLS team, it would have been.

Prof
02-22-2014, 10:28 PM
I thought we would see more of a 1st team lineup today since they need time to gel. Not too many games left to get gelling...

Orlando was the better team tonight. Bendik was the reason we didn't lose.

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:28 PM
lol. let's fire a coach based upon preseason results. because that makes so much sense

Nobody's said that, have they? But do you see any reason why he should be coaching this team? Have we EVER looked like we could possess a ball for more than two passes? Seriously, I realize the talent upgrade this year, but you can have league-best out there and if they play with the same ol' TFC lack of cohesion, it won't mean shit.

Besides, I'm sick of us moving and blaming players, particularly when, under decent coaches, they perform at other teams.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:29 PM
Of the people who played in that game, I expect 6 to start against Seattle- Caldwell, Henry, Bradley, Jackson, Rey and Morrow.

On the bench from that group will be DeRo, Bendik, Morgan, Hall or Lambe, Richter, and Weedman.

The rest will not be there.

SoccMan2
02-22-2014, 10:30 PM
Not much of a bench though

TFC07
02-22-2014, 10:31 PM
I have been saying for while that we need upgrade our coaching staff for first team. We need real coaching staff not just former players and an NCAA division 2 coach managing this team. Nelsen is only here because he was able to convince couple of players (Defoe and Caesar) to come here. Besides that, I don't see anything else that Nelsen brings to the club.

Nelsen better wise up and stop wasting these games on playing players out of position and not giving more time for first team to gel.

Alonso
02-22-2014, 10:31 PM
What was Mariner's title when Winter was still here? That should be Nelsen's title. I love his Rolodex, his coaching not so much. Bez the capologist, to work the MLS rules, and get the North American bargain players. Hire a real top-notch coach.

Maybe Nelsen will be good eventually. But there is absolutely zero patience from the whole city for Nelsen to learn on the job. Not in the 8th year. Not with the money they've spent. Not on the 99th rebuild.

I wouldn't even go ballistic on the players. The vast majority would find a spot & be half decent on a well-coached MLS team. Wiedeman for example, OK backup striker, but why the hell play him 90 minutes? He's not good enough to start anyway, and clearly was 100% gassed the whole 2nd half.

I'm not willing to write off Nelsen yet, but I did post previously in another thread that if we have to move Nelsen on this season he should be moved to Technical Director or Lead Scout or something because his rolodex and relationships in the football world is invaluable.

SKB
02-22-2014, 10:32 PM
Sorry, do not care if it is pre-season. You do not just turn it on like flicking a switch when the regular season starts. That was a terrible display of soccer. No pressure and no hustle. Tactically Ryan only plays one way. Everyone in the league knows how we play and the approach is the same. The opposition overloads the midfield to cut off our attack and pressures our defence to cough up the ball.

Bradley looked good, Jackson looked good, Rey was OK Joe Bendik was great. I was really disappointed watching Morrow. He is a downgrade from Morgan.

sashavukelich
02-22-2014, 10:32 PM
Where was Gilberto tonight? Anyone know?

I like nelson and TRULY want him to succeed. But if we walks at the end of the season i know EXACTLY who I want..... Jay Heaps from the REVS. they play GREAT soccer on a shoestring budget...imagine if you gave that man some money.

reggie
02-22-2014, 10:37 PM
we took it on the CHIN.....that guy was running them ragged,this guy was a sub on a 3rd div team...
we better hope we can keep LABA..our mid was brutal tonight,way too easy for them to walk in , BEKKER is jus to slow..

Ivy
02-22-2014, 10:40 PM
MTL lost 3-0 today. Klopas in their coach.
Teams don't study other teams in preseason, they study themself.
TFC didn't field more than 3-4 starters together at any point during the game, and had a decent game for what can be considered a reserve squad with players playing out of position.

Really sad to see some of the comments in this thread - we've played 2 PRESEASON games. Boy oh boy.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 10:41 PM
Sorry, do not care if it is pre-season. You do not just turn it on like flicking a switch when the regular season starts. That was a terrible display of soccer. No pressure and no hustle. Tactically Ryan only plays one way. Everyone in the league knows how we play and the approach is the same. The opposition overloads the midfield to cut off our attack and pressures our defence to cough up the ball.

+1. I don't particularly care about the results, but when we go through a couple of games with very few spells of positive play I start to worry a bit.

I would add that the movement of our forwards up top continues to be complete shit. All I see is two wasted players sitting against CBs doing absolutely nothing but chasing down long hopeful balls.

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:42 PM
Not much of a bench though

Its pretty much a standard MLS bench....cheap depth apart from one guy or somebody coming back from an injury.


I would hope we could get somebody other then Hall as depth in midfield as he is just not good enough.

ManUtd4ever
02-22-2014, 10:42 PM
Nelsen is on a short leash. Too much $$$ involved

This.

If the team does not perform to the level of expectation within the first 5-10 games of the season, changes will be made to the coaching staff. You can count on it.

That being said, I want to see what the eventual starting lineup can do before passing judgement.

reggie
02-22-2014, 10:45 PM
Where was Gilberto tonight? Anyone know?

I like nelson and TRULY want him to succeed. But if we walks at the end of the season i know EXACTLY who I want..... Jay Heaps from the REVS. they play GREAT soccer on a shoestring budget...imagine if you gave that man some money.

I think he was bowling or at the waterpark...

OgtheDim
02-22-2014, 10:49 PM
...

Really sad to see some of the comments in this thread - we've played 2 PRESEASON games. Boy oh boy.

The expectations are sky high this season. Mind you, some of the people on here, including myself, are just carrying over from what we were doing last season, in either defending or pilloring players or coaches. This forum is getting into preseason shape too. :)


On another note:

I just skimmed the threads from preseason 2013 and I think I'd rather be where we are now.

Last season the heated discussions were about Danny Califf and Terry Dunfield.


Go back to page 24 people....consider it your very own wayback machine.

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 10:50 PM
People need to take a step back if they think this game was about anything other than fitness. You cannot judge any team by preseason results, especially against lower division sides


Tim B seems to think competing in every game is vital, regardless of preseason , league or cup.

or so he said in ALLForOne #2 i think.

Shakes McQueen
02-22-2014, 10:58 PM
2 years ago we made the final of this tournament, beat L.A. over two legs, then went 0-9 in MLS. Preseason means precisely squat.

...with two of our major new DPs out of the lineup altogether, and only a handful of actual starters playing at any given moment in time. Pretty much.

I agree with everyone saying Nelson is on a short leash this year, but I would have said that if we were steamrolling the pre-season too. Nelson is an inexperienced coach, now heading a very expensive roster, with serious expectations -- of course he has a short leash. Maybe he should even have been replaced based on those heightened expecatations, though that discussion is kind of pointless now, as it's clear he's not going to be until we get at least a few real games under our belt.

Pre-season is about fitness, getting a look at unestablished players in a game situation, and deciding on a bench. Two of the three players that supposedly transformed the team this winter, haven't even played for us yet.

I get that as TFC fans, we are basically waiting for the walls to cave in on us again -- I've been guilty of this as well, and it could very well happen -- but I don't think the Mickey Mouse Cup is going to be the canary in that coalmine.

- Scott

jloome
02-22-2014, 10:58 PM
had a decent game for what can be considered a reserve squad with players playing out of position.

ARE YOU KIDDING? We got outplayed, badly, by a team we should run over. People aren't overreacting, they're reacting sanely. Eight years of this shit is enough, man.

Do you really think pre-season is that unimportant? Columbus and Orlando both steamrolled us, man.

Shakes McQueen
02-22-2014, 11:00 PM
Tim B seems to think competing in every game is vital, regardless of preseason , league or cup.

or so he said in ALLForOne #2 i think.

The "All For One" series is essentially team-produced propaganda, so of course he does. If they wanted to make sure they win any game they play in, they would field their strongest lineup of starters at all times, pre-season or not.

- Scott

JavierMartini
02-22-2014, 11:02 PM
The "All For One" series is essentially team-produced propaganda, so of course he does. If they wanted to make sure they win any game they play in, they would field their strongest lineup of starters at all times, pre-season or not.

- Scott


Ok, that is fine. However the compete factor he is talking about. The one lacking for the first seven years. It's still absent ......

Shakes McQueen
02-22-2014, 11:05 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING? We got outplayed, badly, by a team we should run over. People aren't overreacting, they're reacting sanely. Eight years of this shit is enough, man.

Do you really think pre-season is that unimportant? Columbus and Orlando both steamrolled us, man.

This shit? As "notthesun" pointed out, TFC actually did really well in this tournament last year, and it amounted to nothing.

I think there's a difference between understanding the importance of pre-season as a thing, but disagreeing that pre-season RESULTS are particularly important. Getting guys fit, and back up to game speed, is tremendously important.

- Scott

Leedsoronto
02-22-2014, 11:12 PM
Well looking at the amount of chances we created up front, it maybe wise to get Defoe a fold out chair

BuSaPuNk
02-22-2014, 11:19 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING? We got outplayed, badly, by a team we should run over. People aren't overreacting, they're reacting sanely. Eight years of this shit is enough, man.

Do you really think pre-season is that unimportant? Columbus and Orlando both steamrolled us, man.

If eight years is enough for some people well ill show you the door.

It's preseason it's about fitness and getting guys to play out of position to see what you got. Why else would Richter be playing CB? He wouldn't. When would Haggelund get any time? He wouldn't. Lambe, Wiediman, Hagglund, Apricio, Haggelund, all would never see the field during the regular season on a regular basis. So having a game where they all played and some a big part if far from a sample of what is to come.

It's preseason results mean nothing.

Ivy
02-22-2014, 11:22 PM
ARE YOU KIDDING? We got outplayed, badly, by a team we should run over. People aren't overreacting, they're reacting sanely. Eight years of this shit is enough, man.

Do you really think pre-season is that unimportant? Columbus and Orlando both steamrolled us, man.
Orlando "steamrolled" Philly.
Columbus also steamrolled Philly.

And no, I'm not kidding. 3-4 starters and a team that hasn't played with each other. Orlando is an established team that always competes decent in preseason. Horrible game from TFC yes, but I'm not judging anything from these, it's practice.

Shakes McQueen
02-22-2014, 11:24 PM
If eight years is enough for some people well ill show you the door.

Let's not go to this place, please. He's allowed to disagree.

- Scott

BuSaPuNk
02-22-2014, 11:27 PM
Let's not go to this place, please. He's allowed to disagree.

- Scott

It was a dig. Nothing more.

He made no point to his argument then to get the pitch forks. It's preseason people.

Yohan
02-22-2014, 11:28 PM
You know who else is having a terrible preseason? RSL. They are winless in 3 (2 losses) and scored just 1 goal in those matches. Plus they lost to freaking Chivas USA and got shut out. (Chivas USA btw, is having a very good preseason. They still will stink in the season)

Preseason... don't read too much into it.

notthesun
02-22-2014, 11:32 PM
Two years ago Shakes, but yes.


If preseason matters then why did it literally not matter in 2012? For gods' sake we played a legitimate competitive tie in our preseason that year and it meant NOTHING. I'm not just saying that, it's indisputable. There was zero correlation between our victory over L.A. and our league record worst start. Nobody in the world would have even entertained the possibility of it happening based on our preseason. We created a ton of chances against L.A., finished enough of them, and defended decently, then the season started and we were awful at everything. If preseason tells you anything about your team's chances, how is that even possible?


You'd think fans of a club that has always looked like two completely different teams from cup to league play might understand trying to draw conclusions across different competitions is completely. fucking. pointless.

ag futbol
02-22-2014, 11:34 PM
There's more to this than fitness, that's certainly not the only thing being worked on preseason. Personally I'm not concerned about results but I want to see things come together at times.

My hang up is that this team in ways looked a lot like last years team, be that on game #1 or game #34. Too much channel football, too many long balls forced by another teams tactical adjustment, really ineffective play up top.

It is arguable that will all improve with time and we'll be performing when it counts, but I have my doubts.

Shakes McQueen
02-22-2014, 11:34 PM
Right, two years. My bad.

- Scott

Yohan
02-22-2014, 11:40 PM
There's more to this than fitness, that's certainly not the only thing being worked on preseason. Personally I'm not concerned about results but I want to see things come together at times.

My hang up is that this team in ways looked a lot like last years team, be that on game #1 or game #34. Too much channel football, too many long balls forced by another teams tactical adjustment, really ineffective play up top.

It is arguable that will all improve with time and we'll be performing when it counts, but I have my doubts.
with Weeds and Aparicio as strikers, playing 2 small strikers with not enough pace meant not enough link up play between mid and the forwards as Orlando packed 5 in the mid, and played a high line. there wasn't enough room to pass the ball around. now this didn't help that there wasn't enough movement in the midfield, and the fullbacks did a poor job pushing up to support the attack (partly due to TFC not maintaining possession in the middle).

Nelsen got outcoached by Heath. then again, Aparicio and Weedman won't be starting strikers on 15 Mar. With Defoe in the lineup, opposition defence will give a little more respect, and there should be a little more room in the middle.

honestly, TFC looked like they were told to play at about 80%. Bradley was just strolling around most of the time.

Red CB Toronto
02-22-2014, 11:41 PM
Right, two years. My bad.

- Scott

Hey, sorry we missed you at the AGM today Scott, are you going to be at Joe's for the season opener in Seattle?

Cheers
Campbell