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Yohan
12-11-2013, 03:40 PM
Keeping track of 2014 pre season friendlies



Feb. 5: D.C. United (7:00 p.m.) WATCH:dcunited.com/live (http://www.dcunited.com/live)

Mickey Mouse Cup
-Wed 19 Feb: vs Columbus
-Sat 22 Feb: vs Orlando City
-Wed 26 Feb: vs Philadelphia

Yohan
12-11-2013, 03:41 PM
Teams for Carolina Challenge Cup, Tucson Desert Diamond Cup and Disney Pro Soccer Classic has been announced. TFC not listed in any. May still be the 6th team for Mickey Mouse Cup.

Fort York Redcoat
12-11-2013, 03:50 PM
Go Mickey Mouse!

I mean...we need something in the preseason...

prizby
12-15-2013, 01:53 PM
damn guess no carolina for us :(

although i see we are playing new england at img, which is a couple hours from Orlando

Yohan
12-19-2013, 05:08 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/12/19/mls-selects-img-academy-bradenton-eastern-hub-2014-preseason-will-feature-si

TFC to play in friendlies at IMG Academy in Bradenton Florida

Yagbod
12-19-2013, 05:21 PM
oooooo, I can't wait for those awful online streams. I mean it. I can't wait. Winter sucks.

Oldtimer
12-23-2013, 10:02 AM
Spring training will get an early start in Manatee County next year.
And it will feature an altogether different ball.
Major League Soccer made it official Thursday, announcing six of its teams will train for the 2014 season at IMG Academy in Manatee County.
The Chicago Fire, Columbus Crew, D.C. United, FC Dallas, New England Revolution and Toronto FC will train and compete against each other in a series of friendlies, along with international clubs, from late January until the end of February.



Read more here: http://www.bradenton.com/2013/12/20/4898280/six-major-league-soccer-teams.html#storylink=cpy

Joe Kool
12-23-2013, 10:13 AM
Wonder what this means for the Pro Soccer Classic at Disneyworld if the teams will be getting regular playing time in Bradenton. They haven't announced their teams that are participating yet. I would think they don't want to pack too many games in but I guess they can always play the bench players to get them some game time.

0bl1vious
12-23-2013, 10:23 AM
Looks like I'll be taking a road trip for one of those friendlies. Great time to get away from the cold. Anyone else will be going down there?

Suds
12-23-2013, 10:39 AM
Hmm, might be able to fit this into a business trip.

jloome
12-23-2013, 12:19 PM
Wonder what this means for the Pro Soccer Classic at Disneyworld if the teams will be getting regular playing time in Bradenton. They haven't announced their teams that are participating yet. I would think they don't want to pack too many games in but I guess they can always play the bench players to get them some game time.

They announced it last week. We're not involved.

ag futbol
12-23-2013, 12:35 PM
Some talk of going over seas for pre-season, I hope they scrap that. We've seen in the past how other coaches said that had a negative impact on the preseason as the logistics / travel involved proved to be a distraction.

Would be annoying if people continued to fail to learn from past mistakes.

Joe Kool
12-23-2013, 01:14 PM
They announced it last week. We're not involved.

Thanks. They should update their website. When I looked at this morning it said "to be announced" still. I found some info on the Philly Union site. Teams in the Disney tourney are Philadelphia Union, Sporting Kansas City, Montreal Impact, Columbus Crew and Orlando City Soccer Club.

Abou Sky
01-01-2014, 01:29 PM
Just confirmed I will be able to go to both games on Feb 8th in Tucson!

Any chance anyone else will be in Arizona around that time?

Pint
01-01-2014, 02:10 PM
Looks like I have the option of going to Florida around that time. Do we know when/how many friendlies we will be played?

tfcmanu
01-06-2014, 10:50 AM
Jason deVos‏@jasondevos36m (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/jasondevos/status/420211095417008130)Sources in the UK tell me that Doneil Henry did extremely well in his training stint at West Ham

0bl1vious
01-06-2014, 08:33 PM
For those of you who had the chance to attend pre season games in the states...

My wife and I are seriously considering going to catch a game or two in FL this year, so I had a couple of questions...

Is it better to fly down or drive? Also any idea if I can rent a car in Toronto at a reasonable price to drive there and back? I really don't want to put milage on my own vehicle. Any other tips/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Joe Kool
01-06-2014, 10:43 PM
For those of you who had the chance to attend pre season games in the states...

My wife and I are seriously considering going to catch a game or two in FL this year, so I had a couple of questions...

Is it better to fly down or drive? Also any idea if I can rent a car in Toronto at a reasonable price to drive there and back? I really don't want to put milage on my own vehicle. Any other tips/advice would be greatly appreciated.

I booked a rental car the last time I went to NY last year. Just have to make sure you tell the rental company you are driving to the US and make sure they put it on the paperwork somewhere that you are allowed to take the car to the US. Most rental companies have unlimited mileage even going to the US. You can save money by using your own insurance but again verify that your coverage is for driving a rental in the US. Everything worked out fine for me with no issues at the border. They actually never asked for the paperwork but I had it. If I was heading down to Florida I would probably drive to Buffalo and get a cheap flight from there. Some people like to drive long hours over 3 days but not me. I would rather spend the money on the flight instead of the extra gas if I can get a good deal from Buffalo plus the days driving I can be lying in the sun somewhere. Some Buffalo hotels let you leave your car if you stay the night there too. Good luck with booking your trip.

Red CB Toronto
01-09-2014, 09:58 AM
The Reds have been added to the Disney Tourney per a Kurt Larson tweet.

Yohan
01-13-2014, 02:56 PM
SCHEDULE - 2014 WDW PRO SOCCER CLASSIC
Wednesday, February 19th, 2014 HOME AWAY
Game #1 1:00 PM Columbus Crew Toronto FC
Game #2 3:00 PM NY Red Bulls Sporting KC
Game #3 6:00 PM Orlando City Lions Philadelphia Union
Game #4 8:00 PM Montreal Impact Fluminense FC

Saturday, February 22nd, 2014
Game #8 1:00 PM Philadelphia Union Columbus Crew
Game #9 3:00 PM Fluminense FC Sporting KC
Game #10 6:00 PM Montreal Impact NY Red Bulls
Game #11 8:00 PM Toronto FC Orlando City Lions

Wednesday, February 26th, 2014
Game #12 1:00 PM Philadelphia Union Toronto FC
Game #13 3:00 PM Fluminense FC NY Red Bulls
Game #14 6:00 PM Orlando City Lions Columbus Crew
Game #15 8:00 PM Sporting KC Montreal Impact

Saturday, March 1st, 2014
Game #16 1:00 PM Consolation Game Consolation Game
Game #17 3:00 PM Consolation Game Consolation Game
Game #18 6:00 PM Consolation Game Consolation Game
Game #19 8:00 PM Championship Game Championship Game

GROUP A
Orlando City Lions
Philadelphia Union
Toronto FC
Columbus Crew

GROUP B
Fluminense FC
NY Red Bulls
Montreal Impact
Sporting KC

Fort York Redcoat
01-13-2014, 03:26 PM
Last to see Orlando play us before they MLS...

KRO
01-16-2014, 09:48 AM
Just bought our tickets for the 2nd and 3rd games at Disney. We were already heading to Orlando for 10 days and it just so happens that the dates coincide with the tournament (that's what I'm telling Mrs. KRO anyway).
Anyone else going?

GuelphStorm2007
01-17-2014, 01:56 AM
This is probably the important pre season in TFCs short history, I guarantee there will be more media presence there because expectations are going to be so high. I am not saying that they have to win that Mickey Mouse Cup or whatever they call it or it is a bust season but it is important that with so many new faces that it is imperitative that they gel.

brad
01-17-2014, 08:23 AM
When does Defoe join again? If memory serves me, it's end of Feb - after these games.

mowe
01-17-2014, 09:41 AM
When does Defoe join again? If memory serves me, it's end of Feb - after these games.

His last game with Spurs is Feb 27th.

Yohan
01-17-2014, 10:20 AM
Preseason camp to start 23 Jan, per Tim B

OgtheDim
01-23-2014, 02:18 PM
FWIW, Bradley is there today.

Yohan
01-27-2014, 09:57 AM
http://www.dcunited.com/news/2014/01/dc-uniteds-2014-preseason-schedule



Feb. 5: D.C. United vs. Toronto FC (7:00 p.m.) WATCH:dcunited.com/live (http://www.dcunited.com/live)

pdubs
01-27-2014, 12:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aPFLaraiQQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOu7S8xQmj4

OgtheDim
01-27-2014, 01:01 PM
I assume that Lumberjack wearing #1 is Konopka.

Big man.....

pdubs
01-27-2014, 01:37 PM
yea he is listed at 6'5. huge.

also couple nuggets from Nelson's interview. Bradley not training today... Nelson says he wants to train but TFC need to manage him because he is past preseason form. Also Caldwell has a little calf injury so not training.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TpDsc3OFKY

Gazza
01-27-2014, 01:53 PM
I assume that Lumberjack wearing #1 is Konopka.

Big man.....

The word on him is that he is ok. Also, he works all night and sleeps all day.

Areathrasher
01-27-2014, 01:57 PM
The word on him is that he is ok. Also, he works all night and sleeps all day.

Rumor he want's to be a lady, just like his dear papa

RealG-TFC
01-27-2014, 01:58 PM
It is really great that we are doing both the IMG camp and the Walt Disney camp. If im not mistaken there were some doubts we were doing Disney because of our presence at IMG but that's not the case. The more pre-season, the better, especially with the amount of new central players that we have.

Also during the Hall interview i thought i saw the ghost of Pablo Vitti behind him wearing #26 but then i remembered Nakajima is also on trial. Surely that was him.

Ageroo
01-27-2014, 02:02 PM
It is really great that we are doing both the IMG camp and the Walt Disney camp. If im not mistaken there were some doubts we were doing Disney because of our presence at IMG but that's not the case. The more pre-season, the better, especially with the amount of new central players that we have.

Also during the Hall interview i thought i saw the ghost of Pablo Vitti behind him wearing #26 but then i remembered Nakajima is also on trial. Surely that was him.

It was.....

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01-27-2014, 02:18 PM
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Gazza
01-27-2014, 03:13 PM
De Ro's Scarborough accent got thicker while in DC.

Richard
01-27-2014, 06:51 PM
De Ro's Scarborough accent got thicker while in DC.

What's this accent you speak of haha.

Detroit_TFC
01-27-2014, 09:20 PM
I know a lot of the video comments are boiler plate typical stuff, but still are thrilling to me. I'm in that short window of high hopes before I start worrying about injuries.

Yohan
01-27-2014, 10:29 PM
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/01/preseason-florida-day-1

Day 1 write up.

New fitness coach, Adrian Lamb. Pretty impressive resume with lots of EPL experience

http://www.pnefc.net/news/article/adrian-lamb-joins-pne020713-890098.aspx

reggie
01-27-2014, 10:36 PM
did anybody see the TIM B interview,the dude looks like he got total makeoverg:D

PopePouri
01-28-2014, 12:06 AM
did anybody see the TIM B interview,the dude looks like he got total makeoverg:D

TFC's Clark Kent. I have to remind myself that he did play professional footy.

Pint
01-28-2014, 12:12 AM
did anybody see the TIM B interview,the dude looks like he got total makeoverg:D

lost the glasses and not wearing a suit makes a big difference... looked more at home on the field today as a former player

VoxPopuliCosmicum
01-28-2014, 11:40 AM
What's this accent you speak of haha.

I miss BritChat and his dissection of the meaning of "Scarborough accent"? Come to think of it, there's a few fellas I miss from the early days. I figured those ManU glory hunters would be back given the relative fortunes of TFC and ManU these days.:hump:

RealG-TFC
01-28-2014, 01:22 PM
Bradley at camp:

http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/01/27/tfc-training-camp-michael-bradley

WestStandGeoff
01-28-2014, 03:42 PM
http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/01/preseason-florida-day-1

Day 1 write up.

New fitness coach, Adrian Lamb. Pretty impressive resume with lots of EPL experience

http://www.pnefc.net/news/article/adrian-lamb-joins-pne020713-890098.aspx

Another Blackburn connection. Seems like RN is using his experience there wisely.

Yohan
01-28-2014, 07:41 PM
Day 2 write up

http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2014/01/preseason-florida-day-2

Greatest Ripoff
01-28-2014, 07:43 PM
Is there a list of everyone who is at training camp?

adam1001
01-28-2014, 09:47 PM
Issey strikes me as slightly cocky and overconfident. Not sure how that bodes in terms of gelling with the group, but may be good in a competitive sense.

mcolvy
01-28-2014, 11:52 PM
Issey strikes me as slightly cocky and overconfident. Not sure how that bodes in terms of gelling with the group, but may be good in a competitive sense.

He acted like coming home is just a new culture to get use to and experience. Just another destination. Where does he get off. Nothing about feeling honoured to be able to play professionally in his home country? Well he represents us internationally anyways, I know he didnt grow up entirely here. I think maybe in Japan/England as well. Hes apparently also an artist. SOunds like a bit of an odd ball and doesnt stay anywhere very long. hmmm.

Dub Narcotic
01-29-2014, 01:34 AM
Issey strikes me as slightly cocky and overconfident. Not sure how that bodes in terms of gelling with the group, but may be good in a competitive sense.

He did not come of well, no, especially for someone with his mediocre resume.

SamK
01-29-2014, 02:51 AM
To me it looked like he was just trying to say how welcomed he felt by everyone even though he's a trialist

OgtheDim
01-29-2014, 07:15 AM
Sounded more like "I'm on trial and I'm out here talking to the media?!?!!"

tfcleeds
01-29-2014, 07:53 AM
He acted like coming home is just a new culture to get use to and experience. Just another destination. Where does he get off. Nothing about feeling honoured to be able to play professionally in his home country? Well he represents us internationally anyways, I know he didnt grow up entirely here. I think maybe in Japan/England as well. Hes apparently also an artist. SOunds like a bit of an odd ball and doesnt stay anywhere very long. hmmm.

He was born in Calgary, but other than that, he really doesn't have much of a connection with Canada (other than the fact he plays for our national team, of course). So you can hardly blame him if he does treat this like another way station in his nomadic career.

Fort York Redcoat
01-29-2014, 08:07 AM
He acted like coming home is just a new culture to get use to and experience. Just another destination. Where does he get off. Nothing about feeling honoured to be able to play professionally in his home country? Well he represents us internationally anyways, I know he didnt grow up entirely here. I think maybe in Japan/England as well. Hes apparently also an artist. SOunds like a bit of an odd ball and doesnt stay anywhere very long. hmmm.


He did not come of well, no, especially for someone with his mediocre resume.


http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/01/28/issey-nakajima-farran-january-282014#ooid=1zcmlmazrphgCQF9eOjPEwGpg7qRTypI

Watch for yourselves but I think you're being harsh. First time on trial after playing for years in comparable leagues around the world and the first question is basically addressing him being a journeyman. Plus dude should be confident for his role on the pitch.

Most importantly note the smirk disappear as soon as the National team is mentioned. There's your honour. He clearly is interested in playing here. He obviously is well aware he can play elsewhere in the world.

I hope he sticks.

:canada:

flamehawk
01-29-2014, 09:16 AM
http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/01/28/issey-nakajima-farran-january-282014#ooid=1zcmlmazrphgCQF9eOjPEwGpg7qRTypI

Watch for yourselves but I think you're being harsh. First time on trial after playing for years in comparable leagues around the world and the first question is basically addressing him being a journeyman. Plus dude should be confident for his role on the pitch.

Most importantly note the smirk disappear as soon as the National team is mentioned. There's your honour. He clearly is interested in playing here. He obviously is well aware he can play elsewhere in the world.

I hope he sticks.

:canada:

Good observation with the smirk going away. Admittedly, I thought he came off as cocky initially (along with his mannerism while dribbling the ball), but I think it's important not to read to much into it .. body language can be deceiving.

spark
01-29-2014, 10:41 AM
He acted like coming home is just a new culture to get use to and experience. Just another destination. Where does he get off. Nothing about feeling honoured to be able to play professionally in his home country? Well he represents us internationally anyways, I know he didnt grow up entirely here. I think maybe in Japan/England as well. Hes apparently also an artist. SOunds like a bit of an odd ball and doesnt stay anywhere very long. hmmm.

Honestly that would be like you or I going to play for Vancouver and that being posed - yeah I'm in Canada but Vancouver is not my "home" nor a city I am familiar with. IIRC his family is all on the west coast so I don't think he has any real ties to Toronto other than training here for CMNT.

As well, until TFC starts winning something, I don't think we should have the expectation that players are "honoured" to be here.

MartinUtd
01-29-2014, 10:50 AM
Are we really complaining about the body language of a trialist? These pre season games to start soon.

Kaz
01-29-2014, 11:00 AM
Is Reggie Lamb an international? is Issey trialling as a possible replacement for Reggie?

MartinUtd
01-29-2014, 11:17 AM
Is Reggie Lamb an international? is Issey trialling as a possible replacement for Reggie?

I think he's an international for one more year before he's green card eligible . Even if we sign Issey we could probably use the extra depth on the wing. Currently it looks like Rey and Jackson backed up by Lambe and possibly DeRo and Osorio if they Nelsen chooses to deploy them out wide.

mowe
01-29-2014, 03:57 PM
New interviews with Nelson, Morgan, Morrow, Wieds, Hagglund: http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/01/29/tfc-training-camp-ryan-nelsen

Mr. Bigby
01-29-2014, 04:56 PM
I loved Wieds' quote "I don't know why the brought in two DP strikers when they have me up top!"
:rolleyes:

Yohan
01-29-2014, 06:26 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/01/29/mls-preseason-schedule-mlssoccercom-partners-stream-more-25-matches-live

Preseason streams

jasper
01-29-2014, 06:39 PM
According to this page: http://www.mlssoccer.com/preseason/2014/club-schedules , we had/have a match against the KKKrew today.

OgtheDim
01-29-2014, 07:24 PM
http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/01/29/allforone-episode-one

This does surprise me

gmacpheetfc
01-29-2014, 09:52 PM
where is Gilberto?

Yohan
01-29-2014, 09:59 PM
where is Gilberto?
sorting out visa issues

Abou Sky
01-29-2014, 10:02 PM
sorting out visa issues

Do you have the MLS equivalent of a police scanner or something?

TFCwestcan
01-29-2014, 10:39 PM
Curious does anyone know if Elmer down there? Hard to tell in the footage.

ArmenJBX
01-29-2014, 10:41 PM
Do you have the MLS equivalent of a police scanner or something?

The Canadian Press reported it four days ago.

He and Jackson are sorting visa issues out.

barticusz
01-29-2014, 11:24 PM
Odd that they both hadn't done this month's ago.. (visa issues)

T-boy
01-29-2014, 11:59 PM
This new strength and conditioning coach may actually be the best off season signing we have made! I think that's going to make a massive difference. I can't believe we haven't had one in a few seasons?! :facepalm:

CommradePolski
01-31-2014, 01:49 PM
Anyone know if there will be a stream of Sunday's friendly?

PopePouri
01-31-2014, 03:22 PM
I forgot how much I can't stand Lee Godfrey.

RealG-TFC
01-31-2014, 03:27 PM
The Canadian Press reported it four days ago.

He and Jackson are sorting visa issues out.

Why Jackson? Hasn't he been in the US for a while now? I don't see why he can't be in camp down in Florida while visa issues are being sorted out for Canada.

Super
01-31-2014, 03:31 PM
I forgot how much I can't stand Lee Godfrey.

Same here. Why can't the guy just talk like a normal person? He's ridiculous!

notthesun
01-31-2014, 03:38 PM
I forgot how much I can't stand Lee Godfrey.

It's so bad. He answers every question he asks before he even finishes the question.

Kaz
01-31-2014, 03:38 PM
Why Jackson? Hasn't he been in the US for a while now? I don't see why he can't be in camp down in Florida while visa issues are being sorted out for Canada. He might not be able to leave Canada during the Visa process... I think I've heard that... but I can't recall if that was from a friend of a friend or from a tv show... (I may need to sleep more)

RealG-TFC
01-31-2014, 03:42 PM
Ahh that makes sense.

PopePouri
01-31-2014, 04:08 PM
It's so bad. He answers every question he asks before he even finishes the question.

It seems he knows nothing about the players. No questions about Dike playing for Nigeria or Henry's West Ham stint. Just a fucking script.

"Talk about..."
1) "...preseason and how it's hard huh?"
2) "...the mood in camp"
3) "...last year and how much more awesome we are this year".

Bonus Canada question:
"...being a young Canadian and being able to play for your home town"

Canary10
01-31-2014, 04:13 PM
I forgot how much I can't stand Lee Godfrey.

Ha ha. Me too.

Pigfynn
01-31-2014, 04:49 PM
sooooooo bad. I'm telling you he's related to somebody high up in MLSE. Only thing that could explain it.

19Barrett19
01-31-2014, 05:03 PM
Sounders get Pappa now we are #1 in allocation

BuSaPuNk
01-31-2014, 06:11 PM
Yay we're number 1 were number 1!!!! Lol

Hopefully something comes around for us to move the slot to another team for some allocation to pay down Laba.

Yohan
01-31-2014, 06:35 PM
Cant see anyone else coming before mar 1

ag futbol
01-31-2014, 06:56 PM
The Canadian Press reported it four days ago.

He and Jackson are sorting visa issues out.
FWIW, visa requirements for brazilians in Canada are a little bit more tricky. Canadians are one of the few - in terms of westernized countries - that require a visa down there.

Initially Canada put up the requirement and the brazilians didn't really like it. There's been a lot of tit-for-tat between the two governments in terms of requiring unnecessary documentation.

It will get done, just not as quickly as the others.

Alonso
01-31-2014, 06:58 PM
I forgot how much I can't stand Lee Godfrey.

Worst interviews in all of human existence.

If he starts one more question as: "Uuuuhhh ...So talk about.... Uh..."

I'm going to lose my shit.

Alonso
01-31-2014, 07:00 PM
It seems he knows nothing about the players. No questions about Dike playing for Nigeria or Henry's West Ham stint. Just a fucking script.

"Talk about..."
1) "...preseason and how it's hard huh?"
2) "...the mood in camp"
3) "...last year and how much more awesome we are this year".

Bonus Canada question:
"...being a young Canadian and being able to play for your home town"

HAHHA!

I should have scrolled down further....

Yeah that nails it. Please someone find him another role in the organization! Maybe he can do Earl Cochrane's old job?

Please find someone else with some talent.

Kaz
01-31-2014, 07:39 PM
What we are #1... see I knew Defoe would get us to #1. :)

Suds
01-31-2014, 09:11 PM
The MLS site and the IMG site have the games times flipped for the TFC and Columbus games on the 5th. One has it at 3:30 and the other at 7:00. Anyone know the real time for the TFC game?

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/01/29/mls-preseason-schedule-mlssoccercom-partners-stream-more-25-matches-live

http://www.imgacademy.com/mls/

Crazy Canuck
01-31-2014, 09:22 PM
If we have the first allocation slot, is it possible to trade for a DP slot with a team who choose not to exercise their 3 DP slot.

notthesun
01-31-2014, 09:33 PM
If we have the first allocation slot, is it possible to trade for a DP slot with a team who choose not to exercise their 3 DP slot.

Nope.

Kaz
02-02-2014, 01:21 PM
any word if the game listed to happen to day is happening and will be streamed anywhere?

RedsYNWA
02-02-2014, 01:36 PM
Anyone know what happened in the Columbus game couple of days ago?

RedsYNWA
02-02-2014, 01:37 PM
No stream that I can find but kickoff in half an hour

mowe
02-02-2014, 02:52 PM
Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc) 3h (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/430017296749166592) @CommradePolski (https://twitter.com/CommradePolski) there is no match today, it was cancelled a few weeks ago

Red CB Toronto
02-02-2014, 03:26 PM
First pre-season game is Wednesday vs. DCU and there will be a stream on the MLS website.

Dv23
02-02-2014, 04:45 PM
First pre-season game is Wednesday vs. DCU and there will be a stream on the MLS website.

Any idea what time?

jloome
02-03-2014, 01:47 PM
Looks from the story about the soccer volleyball as if Eli Roubos and Chris Mannella from the Academy are training with the first team.

mowe
02-03-2014, 02:08 PM
Looks from the story about the soccer volleyball as if Eli Roubos and Chris Mannella from the Academy are training with the first team.

No Nakajima-Farran listed though. His trial couldn't be over already...

Kaz
02-03-2014, 03:47 PM
several players weren't there, you only have 20 players from the main team. wouldn't read too much into that yet..

mcolvy
02-03-2014, 04:15 PM
several players weren't there, you only have 20 players from the main team. wouldn't read too much into that yet..


Elmer is as good as gone.

jloome
02-03-2014, 04:34 PM
More pre-season vids up, o Eagle eyed watchers!
http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/02/03/tfc-training-camp-michael-bradley

OgtheDim
02-03-2014, 04:43 PM
Elmer is as good as gone.

Could one of the intrepid scribes down there bother to ask the question?

ag futbol
02-03-2014, 05:15 PM
More pre-season vids up, o Eagle eyed watchers!
http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/02/03/tfc-training-camp-michael-bradley
Lee Godfrey... interviews are not his strong suit.

Red I
02-03-2014, 05:39 PM
Lee Godfrey... interviews are not his strong suit.

Haha ya...

Even the great Neil Davidson is not the best at interviews. I remember him asking Russell what he was pointing at after he scored a goal. SMH... Davidson is a damn fine journalist, though. Hopefully with all the hype surrounding the team, he gets the exposure he deserves.

notthesun
02-03-2014, 05:44 PM
MLS article (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/02/03/monday-postgame-who-won-offseason-ranking-mls-overhauls-preseason-ramps) ranking each team's off-season... take a wild guess as to who is #1.

Red I
02-03-2014, 05:56 PM
MLS article (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/02/03/monday-postgame-who-won-offseason-ranking-mls-overhauls-preseason-ramps) ranking each team's off-season... take a wild guess as to who is #1.

I guess the team has to stop saying they haven't won anything yet...

ManUtd4ever
02-03-2014, 05:57 PM
Philly and DC are substantially better as well. The East is going to be turned upside down!

Kaz
02-03-2014, 06:35 PM
Elmer is as good as gone.

well it is possible that MLSE are waiting to find out what happens with Laba. He has to go.. if they can't find the allocation. If they can't find a loan deal.. the buyout is there and Elmer stays.

Beyond that happening (which the worse case I can think of) Elmer is likely gone.

Unless someone knows that Elmer is being traded, that would be nice.

MartinUtd
02-03-2014, 09:12 PM
Does anyone know of the pre season games will be archived? I won't be able to watch some of them live.

Red CB Toronto
02-03-2014, 10:02 PM
Does anyone know of the pre season games will be archived? I won't be able to watch some of them live.

They will as the MLS streams their games using Youtube, so once the broadcast ends you can watch it again.

MartinUtd
02-03-2014, 10:30 PM
That's great, thanks!

OgtheDim
02-03-2014, 10:38 PM
MLS article (http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/02/03/monday-postgame-who-won-offseason-ranking-mls-overhauls-preseason-ramps) ranking each team's off-season... take a wild guess as to who is #1.

The comments underneath are funny.

Yohan
02-05-2014, 01:09 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/live

SJ vs Seattle 1pm
Columbus vs Malmo 330pm
Houston vs Portland 5pm
Toronto vs DC 7pm

Day of friendlies...

Pint
02-05-2014, 01:16 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/live

SJ vs Seattle 1pm
Columbus vs Malmo 330pm
Houston vs Portland 5pm
Toronto vs DC 7pm

Day of friendlies...

once i'm done shoveling i'm going to turn these on... hopefully i won't miss the 1st half of our game. :banghead::banghead:

tfcleeds
02-05-2014, 01:24 PM
Just out of curiosity, do we have any matches scheduled between today and the Mickey Mouse Cup? Seems a long time in between - or perhaps we could get a couple of local colleges between now and then?

notthesun
02-05-2014, 02:18 PM
Seattle up 2-0 over San Jose and looking comfortable. 2 for Martins. Frei had a nice save and is looking solid, not surprised by that at all.

Oldtimer
02-05-2014, 02:22 PM
Match thread for DCU game: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?35350-Match-thread-TFC-vs-DC-United-7-30-PM-Feb-5

notthesun
02-05-2014, 05:27 PM
Jackson and Gilberto heading to camp tomorrow as per Larson (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/431190896168960000).

notthesun
02-09-2014, 02:45 PM
Vancouver losing 2-0 to Seattle through 60 minutes right now. Really not looking very good. Think the Caps are gonna have a rough year.

ManUtd4ever
02-09-2014, 02:55 PM
The thought of the Caps and the Canucks both regressing at the same time makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

MartinUtd
02-10-2014, 03:24 PM
Did we only have the one match scheduled prior to the disney tournament?

tfcleeds
02-10-2014, 03:30 PM
Did we only have the one match scheduled prior to the disney tournament? Appears that way. TFC's games later this month aren't even listed on MLS site yet - the first is on the 19th, correct?

Yohan
02-10-2014, 03:37 PM
Hopefully Mickey Mouse Cup gets full stream coverage like last year.

Kaz
02-10-2014, 03:46 PM
group A has no stream info at all.

tfcleeds
02-11-2014, 11:25 AM
Man, this is going to be one long week, not much going on (apart from a J. Cesar presser which I imagine should take place some time this week). It's almost as though we're still waiting for our first pre-season match, since the stream died with 20 mins. to go in the first one, and the foggy conditions made it difficult to see what was really happening anyway.

Luanda
02-11-2014, 10:18 PM
With everything that has been going on, Toronto and TFC are certainly being talked about all over the place.
From a city/team people wanted to avoid, now it is the opposite. Moreover this exposure goes beyond Toronto & TFC.
Imagine, folks in the UK talking about MLS: Scolari himself praising the league. The new regime has indeed not only transformed TFC, but the league itself. Welcome to MLS 3.

Bantamfan
02-14-2014, 10:51 PM
with the boys heading down to Disney, anybody have any idea what hotel they will be staying at?

Leedsoronto
02-14-2014, 10:57 PM
SCHEDULE - 2014 WDW PRO SOCCER CLASSIC


Wednesday, February 19




Game #1
1:00 pm
Columbus Crew
Toronto FC


Game #2
3:00 pm
New York Red Bulls
Sporting KC


Game #3
6:00 pm
Orlando City SC
Philadelphia Union


Game #4
8:00 pm
Montreal Impact
Fluminense FC



Saturday, February 22




Game #8
1:00 pm
Philadelphia Union
Columbus Crew


Game #9
3:00 pm
Fluminense FC
Sporting KC


Game #10
6:00 pm
Montreal Impact
New York Red Bulls


Game #11
8:00 pm
Toronto FC
Orlando City SC



Wednesday, February 26




Game #12
1:00 pm
Philadelphia Union
Toronto FC


Game #13
3:00 pm
Fluminense FC
New York Red Bulls


Game #14
6:00 pm
Orlando City SC
Columbus Crew


Game #15
8:00 pm
Sporting KC
Montreal Impact



Saturday, March 1




Game #16
1:00 pm
Consolation Game
Consolation Game


Game #17
3:00 pm
Consolation Game
Consolation Game


Game #18
6:00 pm
Consolation Game
Consolation Game


Game #19
8:00 pm
Championship Game
Championship Game





Tweeted Feb 17
@Petor59 We are currently working on figuring out what we can stream. We hope to have a few.
9:03am - 17 Feb 14

Yohan
02-17-2014, 10:03 PM
Wed game vs Columbus is going to be streamed

Kaz
02-18-2014, 12:27 AM
Wed game vs Columbus is going to be streamed

that will be a tough call to watch.. Olympic Hockey or TFC preseason.. will have to try to have both on. at least curling should be over.

Wince
02-18-2014, 08:02 AM
Olympic Hockey or TFC preseason..

As someone who doesn't follow hockey, there is only one option for me tomorrow night!

Kaz
02-18-2014, 08:16 AM
As someone who doesn't follow hockey, there is only one option for me tomorrow night!

I only follow it once every 4 years. this is an oddity. (I'd like hockey more, but I prefer the international rules, and I find the NHL's fighting to be pointless.)

tfcleeds
02-18-2014, 09:02 AM
Just too bad it's a 1 pm start - I'll have to go into imposed exile from these boards tomorrow afternoon so I don't find out the score!

Red CB Toronto
02-18-2014, 09:06 AM
Just too bad it's a 1 pm start - I'll have to go into imposed exile from these boards tomorrow afternoon so I don't find out the score!

The MLS uses YouTube to stream preseason games so it will be archived for viewing later on.

CommradePolski
02-18-2014, 09:32 AM
Lets hope the stream isnt as laughable as the one that we had during the other preseason game.

tfcleeds
02-18-2014, 09:36 AM
^It shouldn't be, thank goodness, since I believe ESPN is streaming it.

BBLaw
02-18-2014, 10:16 AM
As someone who doesn't follow hockey, there is only one option for me tomorrow night!

Same here. Easy decision!

jloome
02-18-2014, 07:22 PM
Same here. Easy decision!

I feel a wrong, unfair contempt for people who support other sports AND soccer. Pure tribalism, the brain looking for the most secure group. Weird.

OgtheDim
02-18-2014, 07:31 PM
Lets hope the stream isnt as laughable as the one that we had during the other preseason game.

IIRC last year, it will be worse.

Oldtimer
02-19-2014, 07:14 AM
I feel a wrong, unfair contempt for people who support other sports AND soccer. Pure tribalism, the brain looking for the most secure group. Weird.

Be careful about attributing negative attitudes. BBLaw didn't say there was anything wrong with these sports. I don't follow lacrosse, yet I understand it's a great sport. I don't have the time to learn every sport to the point of appreciating its finer details, but I think it's great that other people appreciate other sports. If lacrosse was playing against a TFC match, it would be an easy choice for me, not that there is anything wrong with lacrosse (and I hope the Toronto Rock do well), but because soccer is the sport I chose to follow.

pdubs
02-19-2014, 10:06 AM
edit - moved to game thread

notthesun
02-20-2014, 05:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92aRnQEaFs

Orr says he picked up a small calf injury in training which is why he didn't play in the friendly vs. Columbus. Sounds like he'll be just fine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3IIiNT6CzA

Tim B on Wilmington & Dike.

Yohan
02-23-2014, 12:02 AM
Nelsen confirms both RBs out injured

notthesun
02-28-2014, 12:58 PM
So with Defoe called up to the England squad for the March 5th game at Wembley, I'm guessing he won't be joining TFC before then?

Also from Nelsen's latest interview, sounds like Orr & Bloom both won't be ready to go by tomorrow.

Red I
02-28-2014, 01:04 PM
So with Defoe called up to the England squad for the March 5th game at Wembley, I'm guessing he won't be joining TFC before then?

Ya, Tim B says as much in a recent interview - he would likely arrive the weekend after the game. Geez, one week to gel with the team, plus Gilberto not 100% yet; might not be until the home opener or later before we see the forwards find their stride - probably will still be lightyears ahead of what the attack looked like in the past

notthesun
03-01-2014, 07:54 PM
https://twitter.com/LukeWileman/status/439925479487729664

Michael Bradley withdraws from U.S. squad for match against Ukraine for treatment of "minor issue". AKA not wanting to miss a week of preseason.

mowe
03-01-2014, 08:06 PM
https://twitter.com/LukeWileman/status/439925479487729664

Michael Bradley withdraws from U.S. squad for match against Ukraine for treatment of "minor issue". AKA not wanting to miss a week of preseason.

I'm glad. More time he spends gelling with the team the better. The US doesn't really need him for this game anyway. Props to Bradley for choosing club over country.

OgtheDim
03-01-2014, 09:44 PM
https://twitter.com/LukeWileman/status/439925479487729664

Michael Bradley withdraws from U.S. squad for match against Ukraine for treatment of "minor issue". AKA not wanting to miss a week of preseason.

Or not wanting to get stuck in a possible war zone....oh wait they moved it to Cyprus.

Yohan
03-04-2014, 07:00 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/03/04/absence-three-designated-players-not-ideal-toronto-fc-wait-build-team-chemis

All three DPs have 'knocks'

ensco
03-04-2014, 07:23 PM
I suspect Bradley is not really injured. Clubs and federations do a fair bit of horse-trading around this stuff.

It's very common for elite player's to get "injured" before friendlies that involve 9 hour flights.

Bradley may also be "injured" for the last TFC before the World Cup starts.

Red CB Toronto
03-04-2014, 07:52 PM
I suspect Bradley is not really injured. Clubs and federations do a fair bit of horse-trading around this stuff.

It's very common for elite player's to get "injured" before friendlies that involve 9 hour flights.

Bradley may also be "injured" for the last TFC before the World Cup starts.

I completely agree, especially considering the situation regarding the friendly vs. the Ukraine. In my eyes it should not even be taking place as of now with all that is going on. For a while it looked like it was off so staying away was the right decision for Michael as he is already a World Cup lock.

adam1001
03-04-2014, 08:08 PM
I'm more worried about Gilberto. Quad/hip flexor injuries are awful. I don't think we will see him play on opening day.

notthesun
03-04-2014, 08:26 PM
I doubt Defoe is really injured either. He was probably at like 90% when Tottenham held him out, otherwise there's no way he would have been called up to the England squad or accepted the call.

Gilberto is the only DP in danger of missing the opener I think, depends how fit he can get in the next week and a half. Maybe an appearance off the bench is more likely.

OgtheDim
03-04-2014, 11:13 PM
There's a 10 minute scrum interview with Nelsen up on the TFC app that I can't find on the YouTube channel or linked from anywhere. Asked some good questions by Molinaro and Davidson
He outlines the injuries including Bradley with a minor foot thing that was dealt with from before pre season started but requires a doctor to reexamine. A number of people, once again, doing reinjuries once they came back.

Worth watching if somebody can find a link.

mowe
03-04-2014, 11:36 PM
There's a 10 minute scrum interview with Nelsen up on the TFC app that I can't find on the YouTube channel or linked from anywhere. Asked some good questions by Molinaro and Davidson
He outlines the injuries including Bradley with a minor foot thing that was dealt with from before pre season started but requires a doctor to reexamine. A number of people, once again, doing reinjuries once they came back.

Worth watching if somebody can find a link.

http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2014/03/04/ryan-nelsen-march-4-2014

There are also interviews with DeRo, Caldwell, and Henry.

notthesun
03-05-2014, 03:06 PM
Cesar showing well

https://vine.co/v/MATiJTPe2Fm

ArmenJBX
03-05-2014, 04:14 PM
There's a 10 minute scrum interview with Nelsen up on the TFC app that I can't find on the YouTube channel or linked from anywhere. Asked some good questions by Molinaro and Davidson
He outlines the injuries including Bradley with a minor foot thing that was dealt with from before pre season started but requires a doctor to reexamine. A number of people, once again, doing reinjuries once they came back.

Worth watching if somebody can find a link.

That was Neil and me!

OgtheDim
03-05-2014, 04:24 PM
That was Neil and me!

Sorry.....it was late, on my phone and there were cats.

notthesun
03-05-2014, 04:57 PM
Defoe stays on the bench for England's friendly. Well that was fun.

Should be in camp by tomorrow.

MartinUtd
03-07-2014, 02:37 PM
So it sounds like this could be our line up in Seattle:

------Wiedeman--De Rosario
Jackson----Hall------Osorio----Rey
Morgan--Caldwell--Henry--Richter
--------------Ceasar

Not too good.

pdubs
03-07-2014, 04:38 PM
The Bradley thing doesn't sound too serious. Defoe was on the bench for England, not used. You would think if it was serious he would have been kept out completely. Gilberto idk, doesn't sound good but we don't have much information.

The huge issue is that there is a ton of media attention with the game against Seattle. Lots of expectation. Since it is played turf I think most would agree that the long term health of the team is more important than one game. In that case we would be playing for a draw and would look a lot like last season.

Hoping Bradley can start and play a good chunk of the game. If Defoe is healthy, sub him in for 20-30 mins. Gilberto should probably just sit out skip the turf.

We have Seattle, DC United and Real Salt Lake for first 3 games. Tough games and we need some results.

It is ironic tho, major part of preseason is to stay healthy and have the team gel. We haven't accomplished either. I am still looking forward to see what this team can do but this preseason has not given me much to be happy about.

jloome
03-07-2014, 04:50 PM
So it sounds like this could be our line up in Seattle:

------Wiedeman--De Rosario
Jackson----Hall------Osorio----Rey
Morgan--Caldwell--Henry--Richter
--------------Ceasar

Not too good.

Nah, it'll be Defoe and Dero up top; Gilberto has a hip flexor strain, which is usually a few weeks of rehab. But Defoe's been held off as a transfer precautionary since his farewell game at home. Fairly typical in some deals. That's all his "injury" is, and since he's midseason, they're not going to hold him out for Wiedman (unless he refuses to play on turf, which I doubt.)

Same with Bradley. Minor foot issue, apparently, and is expected to start.

notthesun
03-07-2014, 04:54 PM
With the Bradley thing as well, Nelsen said in an interview it's a minor foot issue that they knew about coming into preseason. He got the all clear to play in preseason and he's just having it checked again. It really sounds like nothing at all, if it was anything to worry about there's no way he would have played the full 90 in the last preseason game, or as much as he did in any of the others. I think they're just sticking to the story to be consistent with pulling him out of the friendly vs. Ukraine.

nonc
03-07-2014, 06:09 PM
Gilberto is not playing next week if he can't even jog yet. Home opener is probably in question as well. The DeRo signing is looking key but I'll be laughing my ass off at brass if there's a Hall sighting in the opener oh what misery that would be.

CBTFC
03-08-2014, 10:31 AM
At first I was concerned that we had our bye week during the first week of the season, but now with all of these apparent injuries, it seems like a blessing.

One week 'till Seattle.

Joe Kool
03-08-2014, 11:26 AM
Nah, it'll be Defoe and Dero up top; Gilberto has a hip flexor strain, which is usually a few weeks of rehab. But Defoe's been held off as a transfer precautionary since his farewell game at home. Fairly typical in some deals. That's all his "injury" is, and since he's midseason, they're not going to hold him out for Wiedman (unless he refuses to play on turf, which I doubt.)

Same with Bradley. Minor foot issue, apparently, and is expected to start.

After DK and Frings both getting hurt on turf I really don't object to our DP's sitting out of turf games. Short term pain for long term gain. I wouldn't care if Defoe refused to play on it all.

dupont
03-08-2014, 11:31 AM
After DK and Frings both getting hurt on turf I really don't object to our DP's sitting out of turf games. Short term pain for long term gain. I wouldn't care if Defoe refused to play on it all.

Yep. It's actually my preference that they don't play those games. I'll take a loss over an injury to a star player.

tfcleeds
03-08-2014, 12:20 PM
I have no problems with Defoe missing the opener. Having him make his debut at BMO would be awesome.

pdubs
03-08-2014, 12:57 PM
good news

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 1m (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/442357071670177792) Defoe tells TSN's Matthew Scianitti that his hamstring is 100% ... And he expects to play against #Sounders (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sounders&src=hash) next week.

Pookie
03-08-2014, 01:13 PM
After DK and Frings both getting hurt on turf I really don't object to our DP's sitting out of turf games. Short term pain for long term gain. I wouldn't care if Defoe refused to play on it all.

This is a curious statement.

Dempsey plays on turf over half the time.

Did we sign them to sit out games because of fear they might get injured? If so, wow, that's a helluva plan.

notthesun
03-08-2014, 01:16 PM
good news

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN) 1m (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/442357071670177792) Defoe tells TSN's Matthew Scianitti that his hamstring is 100% ... And he expects to play against #Sounders (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Sounders&src=hash) next week.

Larson suggested with a tweet yesterday Nelsen may be showing a little gamesmanship with all this talk of injured players, and I suspected the same. I'm not surprised in the slightest Defoe is ready to go. To me it seemed clear that was the case.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Defoe, Bradley, Orr, Morrow & Rey all start. Gilberto seems like the only truly injured player at the moment.

ag futbol
03-08-2014, 01:18 PM
Good luck holding back your star players in MLS's showcase game.

NBA is not centrally run but that didn't stop David Stern from tearing a strip of Greg Popovic and the spurs for resting their star players on a Thursday night reagular season matchup with Miami. It didn't matter that the subs nearly won and it was an exciting game, they served them a huge fine after the fact.

If we sit either Defoe or Bradley, the league is going to be breathing down our neck to make sure it was because of actual injuries and not self interest.

OgtheDim
03-08-2014, 01:22 PM
Wheras NYRB in Vancouver nobody gives a rats patootie about so Henry probably won't even make the trip.

ManUtd4ever
03-08-2014, 01:26 PM
This is a curious statement.

Dempsey plays on turf over half the time.

Did we sign them to sit out games because of fear they might get injured? If so, wow, that's a helluva plan.

The fact that you used Dempsey as an example is quite ironic. He was ineffective last year and suffered a hamstring injury towards the end of the season.

It's a well known fact that artificial turf is more likely to cause injuries among football players, regardless of their age or history. Obviously, players in the latter stages of their careers, especially those that are unfamiliar with playing on artificial surfaces, have to be handled with more caution.

The fact that you would refer to that approach as a slight on management is mind boggling.

It's unfortunate that MLS still allows variations of fieldturf, but thankfully, the vast minority of teams utilize it because of the risks involved.

Would you prefer that we base our strategy of acquiring players on the extremely limited number of games that the team will be forced to play on artificial turf?

I certainly wouldn't.

Pookie
03-08-2014, 01:41 PM
The fact that you used Dempsey as an example is quite ironic. He was ineffective last year and suffered a hamstring injury towards the end of the season.

It's a well known fact that artificial turf is more likely to cause injuries among football players, regardless of their age or history. Obviously, players in the latter stages of their careers, especially those that are unfamiliar with playing on artificial surfaces, have to be handled with more caution.

The fact that you would refer to that approach as a slight on management is mind boggling.

It's unfortunate that MLS still allows variations of fieldturf, but thankfully, the vast minority of teams utilize it because of the risks involved.

Would you prefer that we base our strategy of acquiring players on the extremely limited number of games that the team will be forced to play on artificial turf?

I certainly wouldn't.

The fact that million dollar NFL players play on field turf every week without injury is mind boggling to me. Are we concluding that soccer players are more fragile?

In 2009, TFC missed the playoffs by 1 point. Yes, I do see sitting players in 3-4 games (New England, Portland and Seattle) with 9 to 12 points on the table, as a slight on management strategy. If a guy is hurt, sitting them as a precaution is one thing. If a player is ready to go but the fear is that they may be more likely to be injured on turf so you sit them, that's where the problem comes in for me.

Here's the other thing. Use the bloody draft like successful teams and build a roster that doesn't rely on 3 high priced players to carry them to the middle of the table. Then, if you have an injury, you can cope.

Turf is one thing. What's next? Sit them against a team with an often yellow carded defender for fear of a vicious tackle?

Here's the other thing. What if the assumption that field turf leads to injuries is wrong?

Justin Shaginaw, MPT, ATC, Aria 3B Orthopaedic Institute, Athletic Trainer - US Soccer FederationPOSTED: WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 2013, 6:00 AMFILED UNDER: JUSTIN SHAGINAW (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sportsdoc?cat=Justin%20Shaginaw&main=PC%20Sports%20Doc) | KNEE INJURIES (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sportsdoc?cat=Knee%20Injuries&main=PC%20Sports%20Doc) | PHYSICAL THERAPY (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sportsdoc?cat=Physical%20Therapy&main=PC%20Sports%20Doc) | SOCCER (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sportsdoc?cat=Soccer&main=PC%20Sports%20Doc)

Whenever I see a patient with an ACL tear, they always want to blame something or someone for their injury. The biggest culprit in the blame game seems to be turf fields.
If you’re old enough you might remember the original AstroTurf, and by all means plenty of blame can be placed on it for athletic injuries. But now we have new 3rd and 4th generation turf fields that are much more similar to natural grass. They are used in the NFL, MLB, MLS, and even international soccer matches are being played on them. People still love to blame turf for their injuries. But are there any facts behind these assumptions that more injuries occur on turf than grass?


Research has shown that as the coefficient of friction increases there is an increase in the rate of lower extremity injuries. This means that the more traction you get on the field or court, the higher the risk of injury. The common thought is that turf has more traction than grass and therefore we will see more injuries on turf.

Increased injury rate on artificial turf:

A study published in 2011 looking at football, rugby, and soccer injuries showed that there was a higher incidence of ankle injuries on artificial turf. In 2012, another study looking at NCAA football injuries showed an increased risk of ACL injuries on artificial turf. Lastly, a 2013 study looking at amateur soccer players in Portugal showed a greater rate of lower extremity injuries on turf during matches vs. training.

No difference in injury rates:
A 2010 study looking at collegiate football injuries showed that FieldTurf may actually be safer than natural grass for injuries in general. This study also found no significant difference in knee injuries between surfaces. Another study in 2013 looked at injury rates between grass and artificial turf in female collegiate soccer players. This study actually showed a significantly lower total injury incidence rate and a lower rate of substantial injuries on FieldTurf. This study also showed no significant difference in knee injury rates between the two surfaces.

Since the research doesn’t give us a definitive answer regarding injury rates and artificial turf, what is the best advice regarding artificial turf? We know that the greater the traction, the higher the rate of injury. Wearing cleats made specifically for artificial turf, or better yet turf shoes, may help to decrease traction and therefore reduce lower extremity injuries.

We can apply this same thought process to grass regarding increased traction and increased injury rates. Unfortunately, there may be a decrease in performance as shoes with less traction may cause players to slip.
Previous sports doc blogs have discussed ACL reduction programs. For those at higher risk for ACL injuries, maybe the type of shoe you practice and play in should be part of an injury reduction program. So don’t just choose your cleats for the color, but instead pick the ones that are appropriate for the playing surface.

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sportsdoc/Grass-vs-Turf-does-it-affect-injury-rate.html#HTHBmhH0Txj3i6SM.99

Fort York Redcoat
03-08-2014, 01:53 PM
Which all may be moot if this is even a little bit of crying wolf injuries strategy. We'll see when they announce next Sats lineup.

LFC8
03-08-2014, 01:57 PM
^^Yeah, sitting a player just because of FieldTurf makes me smh....i think it's just been overblown by the european players cause they're used to playing on grass for their whole careers. I think you need to double check an nfl injury list though....on average it's like 10 players deep lol.

tfcleeds
03-08-2014, 01:58 PM
Good luck holding back your star players in MLS's showcase game.

NBA is not centrally run but that didn't stop David Stern from tearing a strip of Greg Popovic and the spurs for resting their star players on a Thursday night reagular season matchup with Miami. It didn't matter that the subs nearly won and it was an exciting game, they served them a huge fine after the fact.

If we sit either Defoe or Bradley, the league is going to be breathing down our neck to make sure it was because of actual injuries and not self interest.

I'm more concerned about the interests of my club, and not the league. If Defoe is 100% and ready to play, yeah sure, play him. But given we only play on turf, what, maybe 3 times this season, is it really worth risking another Koevermans situation? Because there'd really be hell to pay if that happened.

Pookie
03-08-2014, 01:59 PM
Which all may be moot if this is even a little bit of crying wolf injuries strategy. We'll see when they announce next Sats lineup.

Agreed.

But there are a number of research papers out there that challenge the assumption that field turf is more likely to cause injury. Always amazed me that we complained about turf causing injuries like to Danny K but the Patriots had no concern about Million Dollar Man Tom Brady playing on the same surface.

This was a good summary by Jay Williams, a PhD at Virginia Tech.

He did a meta-analysis of published studies and while some found increased risk, others found that turf was actually "safer." His conclusion:

"Based on current research, players, coaches and parents should feel comfortable about soccer played on artificial turf. The likelihood of suffering an acute injury because of artificial turf is no greater than when playing on grass."

http://www.scienceofsocceronline.com/2013/06/injury-risk-artificial-turf-vs-natural.html

LFC8
03-08-2014, 02:03 PM
As a pats fan i can tell you....quarterbacks are very well protected. After Brady's acl injury, they made a rule that you can't hit a qb below the knees lol

Fort York Redcoat
03-08-2014, 02:09 PM
Also it's the expectation of the sport, Pook. Not the players but the history or tradition forms a lot of the bias one will see.


NFL fans don't expect natural grass ever since the invention that helps share stadiums. The sport we're talking about here is one stuck in the luxury of grass because most of the world couldn't give... a care about other sports that would need to share their football shrines.

ag futbol
03-08-2014, 02:13 PM
I'm more concerned about the interests of my club, and not the league. If Defoe is 100% and ready to play, yeah sure, play him. But given we only play on turf, what, maybe 3 times this season, is it really worth risking another Koevermans situation? Because there'd really be hell to pay if that happened.
I don't really have an opinion on that one way or another. I'm just saying the league will probably not look favorably on it.

To add to the previous situation I described: Spurs were coming off something like 4 games in 6 days and this would have been their 5th in seven. Part of their rationale was resting their older core and preventing injuries, similar to this case. NBA was packing the schedule because there was a mini-strike leading into it (if memory serves).

mowe
03-08-2014, 02:14 PM
Injuries can happen anywhere. We've had Frei, Cann, and Dike have major injuries on grass. Turf might be a little more tough on the body but unless a player is coming back from injury there's no need to hold them out on turf. If a player is 100%, they should play.

tfcleeds
03-08-2014, 02:28 PM
I don't really have an opinion on that one way or another. I'm just saying the league will probably not look favorably on it.

To add to the previous situation I described: Spurs were coming off something like 4 games in 6 days and this would have been their 5th in seven. Part of their rationale was resting their older core and preventing injuries, similar to this case. NBA was packing the schedule because there was a mini-strike leading into it (if memory serves).

I agree there can sometimes be a real conflict between maintaining the integrity of a particular game, and acting in your own club's interests. At the end of the day though, if I'm a coach, I have to do what's best for my club. If the league is going to fine me, then well go ahead. I think from TFC's perspective, the Koevs thing really hurt us, so it's once bitten, twice shy. Losing Defoe for whatever reason, would be a disaster. But yeah, if he's good to go, he'll probably play.

Joe Kool
03-08-2014, 02:39 PM
This is a curious statement.

Dempsey plays on turf over half the time.

Did we sign them to sit out games because of fear they might get injured? If so, wow, that's a helluva plan.

I don't give a shit about Dempsey, he is not on the team I support. He can play on turf all the time for all I care. His decision. If I ran a team and I had a choice to not put my assets at risk for a couple games and minimize the risk of losing them for the season then I would and I do think it would be a helluva plan in my opinion. I don't run the team though and I am sure ratings and other pressures to play are more important to the management so I am sure the DP's that can play will play. We have just had bad luck with turf and I would rather not see a repeat of our history with it and DP injuries.

notthesun
03-08-2014, 03:03 PM
Here's the Defoe interview. His hamstring is clearly not a concern for him.

http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=303252

Pookie
03-08-2014, 03:41 PM
I don't give a shit about Dempsey, he is not on the team I support. He can play on turf all the time for all I care. His decision. If I ran a team and I had a choice to not put my assets at risk for a couple games and minimize the risk of losing them for the season then I would and I do think it would be a helluva plan in my opinion. I don't run the team though and I am sure ratings and other pressures to play are more important to the management so I am sure the DP's that can play will play. We have just had bad luck with turf and I would rather not see a repeat of our history with it and DP injuries.

If you don't want to see a repeat, don't sign old guys

As for the choice not to put your assets at risk, that's fine. If you missed the playoffs by a few points while sitting them out of games that involved 12 possible ones, all because of a fear of injury that isn't backed up by research, then yeah… that'd be a curious one alright and quite a few of your fans would in fact give a shit.

Pookie
03-08-2014, 03:45 PM
Also it's the expectation of the sport, Pook. Not the players but the history or tradition forms a lot of the bias one will see.


NFL fans don't expect natural grass ever since the invention that helps share stadiums. The sport we're talking about here is one stuck in the luxury of grass because most of the world couldn't give... a care about other sports that would need to share their football shrines.

Bias is one thing.

There is no definitive evidence from those who study injuries to say that playing on turf is more dangerous. Some say yes. Some say no difference and some even say that there is less risk playing on turf. All I know is that NFL teams invest millions in their players and trot them out on turf every week. They would laugh in your face if you suggested holding out a star player because of an unproven increased risk of injury in a big game.

RealG-TFC
03-08-2014, 03:51 PM
​wrong thread

ag futbol
03-08-2014, 03:59 PM
I agree there can sometimes be a real conflict between maintaining the integrity of a particular game, and acting in your own club's interests. At the end of the day though, if I'm a coach, I have to do what's best for my club. If the league is going to fine me, then well go ahead. I think from TFC's perspective, the Koevs thing really hurt us, so it's once bitten, twice shy. Losing Defoe for whatever reason, would be a disaster. But yeah, if he's good to go, he'll probably play.
Oh for sure. I don't blame the coach at all, just think the coaches ability to do what he wants will have consequences, potentially ones that negate any point of trying to sit players out.

LFC8
03-08-2014, 04:32 PM
Here's the Defoe interview. His hamstring is clearly not a concern for him.

http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=303252

Now wait for Nelsen to start him on the bench.....

TFC07
03-08-2014, 04:40 PM
Have any of you guys played on field turf before? It ain't exactly comfortable than playing on grass. Comparing NFL players who don't move as much as soccer players and wear a lot of equipment to protect themselves isn't fair comparison.

Pookie
03-08-2014, 05:44 PM
Have any of you guys played on field turf before? It ain't exactly comfortable than playing on grass. Comparing NFL players who don't move as much as soccer players and wear a lot of equipment to protect themselves isn't fair comparison.

A number of the studies referenced compared soccer players on turf to other soccer players on grass.

Fort York Redcoat
03-08-2014, 06:18 PM
Bias is one thing.

There is no definitive evidence from those who study injuries to say that playing on turf is more dangerous. Some say yes. Some say no difference and some even say that there is less risk playing on turf. All I know is that NFL teams invest millions in their players and trot them out on turf every week. They would laugh in your face if you suggested holding out a star player because of an unproven increased risk of injury in a big game.

Well lucky for me I'd never be in a situation to be laughed in the face by a big bad NFL exec. Thanks for warning me.

brad
03-08-2014, 06:30 PM
NFL and football are not comparable when referencing turf in respects to injuries. Football is way more cutting and direction changes than NFL. It's those sorts of movements where the cleats get stuck in and the turf has no give like grass.

lanarkist
03-08-2014, 06:35 PM
Having played on both (while certainly not elite) I can't say I've ever felt more likely to hurt myself on one or the other. Some turf is certainly better than others, but the only thing that ever bothered me with turf is the inevitable rug burn from a bad slide. That said, the same can happen on grass, just not to the same extent. But for ankles/knees/hammys, I don't think it's that big of a difference.

Again just my amateur two cents - would prefer grass, but never thought turf was the end of the world.

Pookie
03-08-2014, 06:58 PM
NFL and football are not comparable when referencing turf in respects to injuries. Football is way more cutting and direction changes than NFL. It's those sorts of movements where the cleats get stuck in and the turf has no give like grass.

Again though brad, the studies referenced compare soccer on both surfaces. Some actually conclude that turf is better.

Certainly not the crap we had in year 1 but then again, I had the chance to play at BMO with grass within a year of it being laid and the number of bumps and divots made one think that a golf team had used it before us.

There is no evidence that suggests that the turf used in these hundreds of million dollar stadiums is of poor quality and contributes to injury.

sashavukelich
03-08-2014, 10:51 PM
The Risk with Turf...and this is how uncertain the grip is. too much 'stick' and a rotation or pivot movement can lead to an injury, if it's to 'slick' you can get hyper extension injuries....hence the trouble. not to mention the wicked thigh and calf burns from good tackles..

Joe Kool
03-08-2014, 11:38 PM
If you don't want to see a repeat, don't sign old guys

As for the choice not to put your assets at risk, that's fine. If you missed the playoffs by a few points while sitting them out of games that involved 12 possible ones, all because of a fear of injury that isn't backed up by research, then yeah… that'd be a curious one alright and quite a few of your fans would in fact give a shit.

My initial point was that I would be okay with it if they sat. It is fine if you are note. Of course no decision of management would be the right one in everyone's eyes as this one wouldn't be with you. Of course nobody would come out and say that is the reason anyway. Better to tell the fans in that case they have a little muscle strain and are sitting it out as a precaution or something to keep people from being as pissed. Gotta be political for all the critics. But that's fine you are entitled to your opinion as am I. As far as research goes I don't care enough to look into it. All I know is we lost two DP's to major injuries on turf that they never recovered from and a ton of player interviews I have heard over the years have players constantly complaining about playing on it and how hard it is on them. Good enough for me in terms of research to say it is not great to play on.

tfcocd
03-09-2014, 12:48 AM
Again though brad, the studies referenced compare soccer on both surfaces. Some actually conclude that turf is better.

Certainly not the crap we had in year 1 but then again, I had the chance to play at BMO with grass within a year of it being laid and the number of bumps and divots made one think that a golf team had used it before us.

There is no evidence that suggests that the turf used in these hundreds of million dollar stadiums is of poor quality and contributes to injury.

I don't think there is one club in the 92 professional clubs in England that play on an artificial surface. The adherence to this standard after 100 years of competition is strong evidence that natural surface is important to the sport of soccer.

Leedsoronto
03-09-2014, 07:15 AM
A few clubs in England tries turf in the 80-90s, Preston NE for one. But it did not last, and the turf was removed. Most clubs go for under soil heat now for them frosty days. Remember UK footy is a winter sport, on grass, with only a few PP games a year.

Turf is less harmfull to above knee injuries, but the cause of most ankle and foot issues, this is due to the grip as stated above.

Fort York Redcoat
03-09-2014, 08:07 AM
Again though brad, the studies referenced compare soccer on both surfaces. Some actually conclude that turf is better.

Certainly not the crap we had in year 1 but then again, I had the chance to play at BMO with grass within a year of it being laid and the number of bumps and divots made one think that a golf team had used it before us.

There is no evidence that suggests that the turf used in these hundreds of million dollar stadiums is of poor quality and contributes to injury.


I'm sure the bolded above is critisism on a grass facility overusing the surface for anyone's use and does little toward devaluing a properly used dedicated grass surface that is the case in the majority of facilities that use grass.

Again it's a question of priorities.

NA has little priority to dedicate a facility to one particular type of event.

burlington Red
03-09-2014, 10:32 AM
Bias is one thing.

There is no definitive evidence from those who study injuries to say that playing on turf is more dangerous. Some say yes. Some say no difference and some even say that there is less risk playing on turf. All I know is that NFL teams invest millions in their players and trot them out on turf every week. They would laugh in your face if you suggested holding out a star player because of an unproven increased risk of injury in a big game.

Thierry Henry won't play on it.

jloome
03-09-2014, 12:47 PM
I don't think there is one club in the 92 professional clubs in England that play on an artificial surface. The adherence to this standard after 100 years of competition is strong evidence that natural surface is important to the sport of soccer.

No, it's not. Lots of people wouldn't sail to the horizon at one point because it frightened them; it wasn't 'evidence' that the world is flat. How people react to something is often not evidence of anything, given that people make 85% of their choices via preexisting bias and not rationalized investigation.

It's all moot. Football? Moot? Past injuries? Bit moot too. Why? Because actual science shows soccer players aren't injured more often on turf than grass. This has been the case since this debate started, seven years ago.

Ignore the outlier arguments. The science has spoken.

And Russia's a major league with major money now, and clubs there do play on artificial turf.

Also, Chelsea's youth teams practice on an artificial pitch (3G blend, like we're allegedly considering); if there were any proof it was dangerous, does anyone think one of the world's biggest clubs would risk valuable assets on it?

ensco
03-09-2014, 12:56 PM
^Who cares if it's rational? We know that players don't want to play on it. That's really all I care about.

I also don't like the aesthetics, the crazy bounces and bizarre skipping of through balls. If new surfaces solve that, that is helpful. But that sure wasn't true here in 2007-08.

jloome
03-09-2014, 01:06 PM
We had field turf in 2008. 3G bounces like normal grass and uses sand underlay so that it isn't hard to fall on, as well as silicone coating on the grass to avoid skin burns.

I don't disagree it dissuades players. THat's a diff't point from whether it's safe or not. There are something like 7,000 3G pitches in Europe now, including numerous pro teams using them for practice. So it's not a safety issue, it's a perception issue.

(Although even the science is, of course, somewhat contradictory.)

EDIT: And I care if it's not rational, goddamit. Most of what's wrong with this planet is due to bias, insecurity, and the average person's inability to be rational.

CBTFC
03-09-2014, 02:13 PM
Stubhub Center looking pretty damn empty for Chivas at home to Chicago.

Detroit_TFC
03-09-2014, 03:31 PM
CUSA is going to surprise this season. Despite the non-attendance (the well is poisoned), on the playing and coaching side they have made some improvements.

Canary10
03-09-2014, 03:37 PM
No, it's not. Lots of people wouldn't sail to the horizon at one point because it frightened them; it wasn't 'evidence' that the world is flat. How people react to something is often not evidence of anything, given that people make 85% of their choices via preexisting bias and not rationalized investigation.

It's all moot. Football? Moot? Past injuries? Bit moot too. Why? Because actual science shows soccer players aren't injured more often on turf than grass. This has been the case since this debate started, seven years ago.

Ignore the outlier arguments. The science has spoken.

And Russia's a major league with major money now, and clubs there do play on artificial turf.

Also, Chelsea's youth teams practice on an artificial pitch (3G blend, like we're allegedly considering); if there were any proof it was dangerous, does anyone think one of the world's biggest clubs would risk valuable assets on it?

The science hasn't really spoken. It just says various things, often contradictory, and in part based on how the study was designed. Reminds me of the 'science' of running saying heel striking runners were more prone to injury. The 'science' is shifting from that now.

I'm not saying turf is definitively worse. Just that there is no definitive answer.

Personally, I first blew my knee playing on grass. Re-blew it playing on turf. The stick of turf is scary imo, even with turf boots. I wouldn't blame anyone for avoiding it, especially if they've had any injuries.

Captain
01-13-2015, 09:06 AM
Has there been any release of the spring training schedule for 2015?