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Oldtimer
10-30-2013, 07:00 AM
Now that the off-season is upon us, now is the time to start a new thread.

Post your speculation/information/etc. here in this thread!

Confirmed (by traditional media or the club) signings get a separate single thread in the "News" section. All other "inside" and other information goes here.

mowe
10-30-2013, 07:41 AM
Can we have a moment of silence for the last thread? One hell of roller coaster.

tfcleeds
10-30-2013, 07:43 AM
Yeah, that thread might well have been the longest in RPB history. The Forlan speculation alone was about 50 pages!

Haddy
10-30-2013, 07:50 AM
8600 posts in the last thread...and some say people don't care anymore. Nuts to that.

Phil
10-30-2013, 08:05 AM
Respect to the last one, on with the new one.

Man, lots of names floated out there already. I can't imagine they would let this out there without some hope of them actually signing a couple.

Oh yeah, Forlan...

Ultra & Proud
10-30-2013, 08:15 AM
Oh yeah, Forlan...

Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make. Now let's hope the ones they do make aren't classic us.

Detroit_TFC
10-30-2013, 08:33 AM
Is there some way to pull in Og's post #8615 from the old thread? I think that was a great analysis of where things are right now. Or probably easier, Og, could you repost that?

Oldtimer
10-30-2013, 08:37 AM
Is there some way to pull in Og's post #8615 from the old thread? I think that was a great analysis of where things are right now. Or probably easier, Og, could you repost that?

Here it is: :D


Ok, just sat through the Nelsen video presser so a few things related to player moves and speculation.




Whole year hamstrung by financial mess left by previous regime.
QPR loanees et al were attempts to find somebody who would stick.
3-6 starters coming, including 2 DP's and at least 3 "battle hardened MLS players" who would start.
Off season about more then just the DP's.
Young player base important for building the future.
Rey is staying - he was name checked.
Bendik is the starter.
Ecks, Koevs, & Frei are all gone. End of speculation.
Caldwell would have changed the season if he arrived earlier.
He could have brought in players for short term success but didn't for the sake of long term financial stability.
Bloom is next years starting RB.
3-5 players out on loan over the winter.
Specifically mentioned he is looking forward to the young guys coming back filled out a bit more.



My player speculation out of all that:

3 to 5 of Hall, Osorio, Bekker, Henry, Morgan, and Welshman going out on loan overseas. Those that don't may not be in long term team future.
Of the 3 hardened MLS players who would start, I expect 2 midfielders and possibly a CD, to groom to be the top CD when Caldwell retires. Maybe a LB.
I get the strong feeling Nelsen would like to have the option of a 5-4-1 and a 4-5-1 along with the 2 banks of 4.
I don't think Osorio is considered the short term solution for AM, nor is Bekker. Long term - definately. I could see us with Bekker and Osorio in midfield in 2017, with a DM (I am assuming Laba is off to Europe by then...a good destroyer who can deal with an English language league would be worth a lot in the EPL).
Expect an MLS experienced AM.
At least 1 of the DP's being asked about is London based.
Earnshaw might be asked to stick around for one more season as relief but I could see him being gone by January.
Rey is staying.
Convey is too.
Lambe, I think he's gone.
Dike is not the long term attacking solution.
Elmer and Braun should be gone (if we are going to speculate about money on a roster player, 200K for a non starting LB is just waste)

Haddy
10-30-2013, 08:44 AM
I posted this at 1:50 am before the old thread was cut off. But just to keep the Gilardino conversation going...



Genoa is sitting currently 2 points from the drop. Gilardino is their top scorer with 3 goals in 9 matches. Five players are on loan - three of which are less valuable forwards - and set to return at the end of season. Unless they have other transfer plans they need to fund in January, I can't find a reason for them to sell him in the winter window.

Genoa's squad list: http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/fc-genua-1893/startseite/verein_252.html

Areathrasher
10-30-2013, 08:45 AM
Between Urruti and Forlan the old thread was something else.

Its going to be a long couple of months...

kuku
10-30-2013, 08:45 AM
From yesterday:

MLS Transfers ‏@MLSTransfers 15h (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/MLSTransfers/status/395324080750329856) #TFC (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash) offering Gilardino $7 million over 3 years and an alternative is Tottenham's Defoe. Via @DavidAmoyal (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/DavidAmoyal) #MLS (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/search?q=%23MLS&src=hash) http://www.gianlucadimarzio.com/calciomercato/toronto-makes-offer-for-gilardino-defoe-is-the-alternative-the-details/ … (http://t.co/Xg0DjwLrMy)

forzatoronto
10-30-2013, 09:20 AM
I posted this at 1:50 am before the old thread was cut off. But just to keep the Gilardino conversation going...

Gilardino has a wider skill set than Di Vaio and as recently as September scored for Italy against Bulgaria. He's not getting any younger, but I think he's as good as he ever was right now. I think his experience makes up for what he's lost physically. He had a great season at Bologna last year, and even playing with Genoa's shell of a team (their president only seems to care about selling players) he's still doing alright. Scored a very good headed goal last weekend.

The problem is that he would be expensive, at least according to this article:

http://football-italia.net/41156/gilardino-wanted-toronto

And considering where Genoa sit in the table, and their lack of other options, it is hard to see them allowing him to let him leave, especially before the end of the season.

Haddy
10-30-2013, 09:31 AM
And considering where Genoa sit in the table, and their lack of other options, it is hard to see them allowing him to let him leave, especially before the end of the season.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Unless they are absolutely dead-sure of some other player they have targeted to replace his goals...they can't afford to let him go in a relegation battle. At least not until the summer.

Leedsoronto
10-30-2013, 09:34 AM
Rumour control is in full swing at TFC this week:

Defoe #9 and lampard ehh at #10.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/10/27/reds-gm-exudes-quiet-confidence

tfcleeds
10-30-2013, 09:37 AM
That's the point I'm trying to make. Unless they are absolutely dead-sure of some other player they have targeted to replace his goals...they can't afford to let him go in a relegation battle. At least not until the summer.I don't follow the Azzurri very closely, but wouldn't Gilardino also be an outside bet to make the team? I don't think we'd get him anyways before next summer.

Haddy
10-30-2013, 09:54 AM
I don't follow the Azzurri very closely, but wouldn't Gilardino also be an outside bet to make the team? I don't think we'd get him anyways before next summer.

He was in the squad against Denmark nearly three weeks ago. He subbed on late in the match (82') and helped tie it up in extra time. A crucial draw, as Italy went on to win the group with Denmark close behind in 2nd.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/denmark_italy/index/spielbericht_2262601.html

He wasn't included four days later v Armenia.

leafsman
10-30-2013, 10:39 AM
I don't see why we would need to wait until summer unless they won't sell him until then. Have him until the end of may and let him go to world cup training camp.

sashavukelich
10-30-2013, 11:03 AM
I know it's just opinion...but i'd have Defoe > Gila more all around player.

Yohan
10-30-2013, 11:31 AM
http://www.goal.com/en-ca/news/4188/transfer-zone/2013/10/30/4370530/toronto-fc-boss-nelsen-reveals-defoe-interest

More on Defoe rumour

tfcleeds
10-30-2013, 11:37 AM
I know it's just opinion...but i'd have Defoe > Gila more all around player.Same here.

Wolves_On_Tour
10-30-2013, 11:52 AM
Same here.

And here.

JonO
10-30-2013, 11:54 AM
In response to OgTheDim's comments, I am not so sure Lambe is going anywhere. He is still very young and Nelsen seems to rate him. Apparently he may also not be far off from residency status which would free up the international spot he is currently occupying...

Haddy
10-30-2013, 12:31 PM
Here's my Futhead squad for 2014, solely based on recent rumours. I did the cap math to leave enough for remaining squad. TFC is playing a 4-4-1-1. I have Bobby Convey coming off the bench, with Will Johnson starting on the left side. Portland would be mad to give him up, but he's a player I rate so take that.

http://www.futhead.com/14/squads/1877480/ (http://www.futhead.com/14/squads/1877480/)

Edit: Mark Bloom isn't available to be selected, so I went with Hainault as Eckersley's replacement. Again, only because Bloom isn't on that site.

Marc"2L"
10-30-2013, 12:52 PM
Here's my Futhead squad for 2014, solely based on recent rumours. I did the cap math to leave enough for remaining squad. TFC is playing a 4-4-1-1. I have Bobby Convey coming off the bench, with Will Johnson starting on the left side. Portland would be mad to give him up, but he's a player I rate so take that.

http://www.futhead.com/14/squads/1877480/ (http://www.futhead.com/14/squads/1877480/)

Edit: Mark Bloom isn't available to be selected, so I went with Hainault as Eckersley's replacement. Again, only because Bloom isn't on that site.

Will isn't leaving Portland to come here.

gdg_9
10-30-2013, 02:47 PM
Apparently Quagliarella's agent, Bozzo (same agent as Gilardino) confirmed TFC's interest in him.


TWEET:
(RT by @MLSTransfers) @ADP1113 (Tarek Khatib): "TMW: In America there are eyes on Quagliarella... Quaglia's agent Bozzo "Yes, there's an interest and not only from Toronto, we'll see."


So it sounds like he is definitely on that list of "about half a dozen" players we are looking at.

I wonder who else is in the running for Quag, and what chance we have of actually landing him.

PopePouri
10-30-2013, 03:11 PM
I'd rather we land him.

spark
10-30-2013, 03:20 PM
I don't follow the Azzurri very closely, but wouldn't Gilardino also be an outside bet to make the team? I don't think we'd get him anyways before next summer.

Prandelli used to coach him at Parma where Gilardino was netting just under 1 in 2 games. He knows how to get the best out of him so I don't think he's an outside bet.

tfcleeds
10-30-2013, 03:25 PM
Forget all this stuff - let's land Zlatan in 2016!!!! http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1600123/paris-saint-germain-striker-zlatan-ibrahimovic-weighing-future?cc=5901

pdubs
10-30-2013, 03:32 PM
Forget all this stuff - let's land Zlatan in 2016!!!! http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1600123/paris-saint-germain-striker-zlatan-ibrahimovic-weighing-future?cc=5901

could see him with NYCFC not us tho

tfcleeds
10-30-2013, 03:36 PM
could see him with NYCFC not us thoI realize it's unlikely...but man, if TL ever wanted to deliver the goods...(in addition to making the playoffs next season, of course!). Make Goldenballs look like a pissant signing.

Ivy
10-30-2013, 05:24 PM
Forget all this stuff - let's land Zlatan in 2016!!!! http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1600123/paris-saint-germain-striker-zlatan-ibrahimovic-weighing-future?cc=5901
I still don't think he'll come, but if he does, I feel sorry for the club that signs his millions.

Pint
10-30-2013, 05:58 PM
Well Dero isn't be offered a contract by DC... do we bring him back as one of the hardened MLS vets nelsen keeps talking about?

rocktml
10-30-2013, 06:05 PM
Dero yes please!!!!!!

mowe
10-30-2013, 06:15 PM
I'd take DeRo at 200k, but I don't know if either him or TFC would go for it.

flamehawk
10-30-2013, 06:32 PM
Well Dero isn't be offered a contract by DC... do we bring him back as one of the hardened MLS vets nelsen keeps talking about?

I certainly hope so. It's a shame that he left under those circumstances. It'd be great if he came back and ended his career here. And hopefully with the old guard gone, he'd be more receptive to comin gback.

gdg_9
10-30-2013, 06:35 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenhams-jermain-defoe-offered-transfer-2657700#ixzz2jFa0j0Sb

TFC has apparently offered Defoe $5M per season to come to Toronto in Jan!



Also interesting, they say AVB is trying to re integrate Adebayor into the first team, which would push Defoe further down the depth chart (as would their pursuit of Pato).
This would also mean Adebayor would not be an option for TFC as some rumours have suggested.
(which is a good thing IMO! Don't need a headcase like that)

Waggy
10-30-2013, 06:36 PM
5 million pounds a year for Defoe?! Lieweke wasn't kidding around about opening the wallet! *trying to stay calm/rational* *fails at staying calm/rational*
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenhams-jermain-defoe-offered-transfer-2657700#ixzz2jFa0j0Sb

notthesun
10-30-2013, 06:44 PM
5 million pounds is 8 million USD. That would make Defoe the highest paid player in MLS history. Leiweke's not messing around.

Also, I'd take DeRo back, but only at 200k or less. Which I'm not sure he'll agree to. I think he could still help a bit but the main reason I'd like him back is to mentor Osorio. He's a perfect fit for that.

flamehawk
10-30-2013, 06:45 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenhams-jermain-defoe-offered-transfer-2657700#ixzz2jFa0j0Sb

TFC has apparently offered Defoe $5M per season to come to Toronto in Jan!



Also interesting, they say AVB is trying to re integrate Adebayor into the first team, which would push Defoe further down the depth chart (as would their pursuit of Pato).
This would also mean Adebayor would not be an option for TFC as some rumours have suggested.
(which is a good thing IMO! Don't need a headcase like that)

Any idea how much Defoe makes at Tottenham right now? I would certainly prefer him over Gillardino. Defoe has always been one of my favourites.

Ivy
10-30-2013, 06:47 PM
Ill take Defoe and Gilardino upfront anyday. But Defoe would compliment Braun better.

/sarcasm

Ivy
10-30-2013, 06:49 PM
Any idea how much Defoe makes at Tottenham right now? I would certainly prefer him over Gillardino. Defoe has always been one of my favourites.

3million pounds

BuSaPuNk
10-30-2013, 06:52 PM
TL isn't playing around. Would love Defoe. He would "tear this leauge apart?" Lmao

Defoe and Quag with a soild midfielder that can move the ball would be amazing.

I wouldn't bring DeRo back lets not forget he was a big reason of the poison in the locker room before he left. Not willing to get the younger guys involved in that we got rid of almost all of the poison of the past. No point bringing it back.

Ultra & Proud
10-30-2013, 07:00 PM
TL isn't playing around. Would love Defoe. He would "tear this leauge apart?" Lmao

Defoe and Quag with a soild midfielder that can move the ball would be amazing.

I wouldn't bring DeRo back lets not forget he was a big reason of the poison in the locker room before he left. Not willing to get the younger guys involved in that we got rid of almost all of the poison of the past. No point bringing it back.
Exactly. Plus I think his expiry date is now past due and with his attitude he won't come cheap and won't come off the bench. You sign him and bring him off the bench then expect one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h00oBDCODs

flamehawk
10-30-2013, 07:10 PM
TL isn't playing around. Would love Defoe. He would "tear this leauge apart?" Lmao

Defoe and Quag with a soild midfielder that can move the ball would be amazing.

I wouldn't bring DeRo back lets not forget he was a big reason of the poison in the locker room before he left. Not willing to get the younger guys involved in that we got rid of almost all of the poison of the past. No point bringing it back.

I dno. I am still of the view that the fault largely lied with management. They were the ones that poisoned the locker room by making false promises and poor communications. Would you stand idly by and not say anything when you get screwed over like he was.

I think he should be given an offer of $200,000, with expectations of him being cover rather than a starter made explicit. I think his experience in the league and what we all know he can do in terms of creativity makes him valuable.

ensco
10-30-2013, 07:26 PM
Defoe makes little sense. I don't buy it. He's a good soccer player, and not a real name. How many tickets would he sell?

This is a misdirection play by Leiweke/Nelsen. I hope.

(By which I mean, they are trying to do a favour for Defoe's agent, to create some competition to QPR, but are actually after another client of said agent. This is strictly a wild assed guess.)

Ivy
10-30-2013, 07:27 PM
This DeRo back to TFC thing just wont go away...

Yohan
10-30-2013, 07:32 PM
I dno. I am still of the view that the fault largely lied with management. They were the ones that poisoned the locker room by making false promises and poor communications. Would you stand idly by and not say anything when you get screwed over like he was.

I think he should be given an offer of $200,000, with expectations of him being cover rather than a starter made explicit. I think his experience in the league and what we all know he can do in terms of creativity makes him valuable.

If you make $200k in MLS, you better be a starter. And I don't think DeRo, at age 35, 36 in May, is no longer a starter quality.

DeRo had 3 goals, 2 assists in 24 games (17 starts). In comparison, Justin Braun had 2 goals, 2 assists in 21 games (8 starts), and Braun made around 100k, and some people think Braun is too expensive for depth, and you want to give 200k for DeRo to sit on the subs bench?

And where would TFC play him? AM? Nelsen doesn't play with an AM. Striker? If 2 DPs come in, DeRo doesn't have a place, and depth spots are filled in by Earnshaw and Dike. Winger? DeRo has never been really effective on the wing, and he no longer has the legs.

Maybe 2013 season was an abberation, but I highly doubt old geezer DeRo has much left in his tank. If he wants to come to TFC for like 75k and accept that the team doesn't play with him as the key player (and DeRo is most effective when the team is built with him in mind), sure, he may have a place. If not, let him go somewhere else.

flamehawk
10-30-2013, 07:33 PM
Defoe makes little sense. I don't buy it. He's a good soccer player, and not a real name. How many tickets would he sell?

This is a misdirection play by Leiweke/Nelsen. I hope.

(By which I mean, they are trying to do a favour for Defoe's agent, to create some competition to QPR, but are actually after another client of said agent. This is strictly a wild assed guess.)

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/andrew-sky/details/berater_212.html

With the only other players with the agents being Jermaine Pennent and Gary Breen, I certainly hope not.

Ivy
10-30-2013, 07:36 PM
Defoe makes little sense. I don't buy it. He's a good soccer player, and not a real name. How many tickets would he sell?

This is a misdirection play by Leiweke/Nelsen. I hope.

(By which I mean, they are trying to do a favour for Defoe's agent, to create some competition to QPR, but are actually after another client of said agent. This is strictly a wild assed guess.)
Defoe is known to anybody who follows European soccer...
He isnt a model, but I think if a person knows who van Persie is, they should know who Defoe is.

ensco
10-30-2013, 07:38 PM
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/andrew-sky/details/berater_212.html

With the only other players with the agents being Jermaine Pennent and Gary Breen, I certainly hope not.

I could see Pennant being a good MLS player, actually. This is a good league for speedy wingers with some quality. (As long as they don't let him near a car.)

ensco
10-30-2013, 07:40 PM
Defoe is known to anybody who follows European soccer...
He isnt a model, but I think if a person knows who van Persie is, they should know who Defoe is.

I'm talking about $8m fracking dollars. Which means selling tickets. Who Defoe is Defoe? Leiweke has to be thinking about a Gerrard or Lampard, given his background/history.

Frankly, more people have heard of Joe Cole or Emile Heskey, both of whom would be a lot cheaper.

Yohan
10-30-2013, 07:42 PM
I'm talking about selling tickets. Who Defoe is Defoe? Leiweke has to be thinking about a Gerrard or Lampard, given his background/history.
anyone who follows EPL and England team knows about Defoe

pdubs
10-30-2013, 07:45 PM
I'm talking about selling tickets. Who Defoe is Defoe? Leiweke has to be thinking about a Gerrard or Lampard, given his background/history.

Frankly, more people have heard of Joe Cole or Emile Heskey, both of whom would be a lot cheaper.

the euro snobs in t.o may come to see defoe tho? You are right tho prob not exactly what TL is thinking about ultimately.

flamehawk
10-30-2013, 07:49 PM
I could see Pennant being a good MLS player, actually. This is a good league for speedy wingers with some quality. (As long as they don't let him near a car.)

Ya, I agree. Though he was a disappointment at Wolves, and I wouldn't take him for me than $250,000 (which he will not say yes to).

ensco
10-30-2013, 07:54 PM
This DeRo back to TFC thing just wont go away...

Now this makes a ton of sense from a ticket selling POV. I think it's a lock.

Ivy
10-30-2013, 08:15 PM
Now this makes a ton of sense from a ticket selling POV. I think it's a lock.

if they bring DeRo back on anything more than 60-70k, and he's a keystarter, ill SERIOUSLY question this regime.

ensco
10-30-2013, 08:24 PM
if they bring DeRo back on anything more than 60-70k, and he's a keystarter, ill SERIOUSLY question this regime.

Wait. Really? As if you're not doing that already? ;-)

Ivy
10-30-2013, 08:33 PM
Wait. Really? As if you're not doing that already? ;-)

not at all buddy, I actually have a lot of faith in Nelsen. TL isnt a football guy to me, more of a power house to get big name players, TB is there to get value out of every cent possible. The team that played this past season is night and day compares to 2012, though the results werent much different - I enjoyed watching every game, other than 6-0 to Impact and 3-0 to KC.

I strongly believe that with the right 4-5 pieces and some good chemistry, this could be a very competitive team.

NOW, if they get DeRo back, it would make me think that they dont care about the future, and are living in the past.
DeRo scored 3 goals for DC this year, Steven Caldwell scored 2 for TFC.
The guy is not what he used to be, and seems to have lost his touch after his knee injury with national team

Haddy
10-30-2013, 08:39 PM
NOW, if they get DeRo back, it would make me think that they dont care about the future, and are living in the past.
DeRo scored 3 goals for DC this year, Steven Caldwell scored 2 for TFC.
The guy is not what he used to be, and seems to have lost his touch after his knee injury with national team

I am leaning towards agreeing with you, but he is just a year away (2012) from 7 goals and 12 assists. This year his stats suffered from an absolutely terrible team. Would have happened to most.

No, he's not the DeRo of 5 years ago, but I wouldn't count him out yet.

Bekker and Osorio would benefit a ton from everyday training with him. Then again, there are others that can fill that role.

No matter where he ends up, he'll definitely have to take a big cut.

OgtheDim
10-30-2013, 08:41 PM
No thanks. DeRo doesn't sell tickets here anymore. It would look like desperation and the media would be all over them for going back.

And, having watched him a bit in games outside of ones we played against them, he looks past it.

I think he'll end up either in Vancouver or in NASL.

Pint
10-30-2013, 08:41 PM
I would take him back at the right price and role... 150K per year for 2 years with the 2nd year being a mutual option.

Part time starter and in games he doesn't start he can be a 65th min sub to inject some legs/experience into the lineup.

ensco
10-30-2013, 08:48 PM
not at all buddy, I actually have a lot of faith in Nelsen. TL isnt a football guy to me, more of a power house to get big name players, TB is there to get value out of every cent possible. The team that played this past season is night and day compares to 2012, though the results werent much different - I enjoyed watching every game, other than 6-0 to Impact and 3-0 to KC.

I strongly believe that with the right 4-5 pieces and some good chemistry, this could be a very competitive team.

NOW, if they get DeRo back, it would make me think that they dont care about the future, and are living in the past.
DeRo scored 3 goals for DC this year, Steven Caldwell scored 2 for TFC.
The guy is not what he used to be, and seems to have lost his touch after his knee injury with national team

This is an interesting post. I was a strong Nelsen supporter for most of the year, but now I am not so sure. I didn't see what you saw.

BuSaPuNk
10-30-2013, 09:06 PM
Don't understand why anyone would have a problem with the money we would be giving Defoe. It's not like it's our money. DP contract so it only counts as 350k.

What the difference if he was getting $15 million a year? Break the bank to get talent. It should be refreshing that this management group is looking to bring in top talent an willing to do what it takes to turn the ship around.

ensco
10-30-2013, 09:11 PM
Don't understand why anyone would have a problem with the money we would be giving Defoe. It's not like it's our money. DP contract so it only counts as 350k.

What the difference if he was getting $15 million a year? Break the bank to get talent. It should be refreshing that this management group is looking to bring in top talent an willing to do what it takes to turn the ship around.

If you are referencing my post (not sure), I'm just trying to think like Leiweke would think. Defoe would be a great football signing. My problem is that he's a very good player, but kind of meh from a marketing POV. Therefore I don't buy it. Just my personal view.

Haddy
10-30-2013, 09:16 PM
If you are referencing my post (not sure), I'm just trying to think like Leiweke would think. Defoe would be a great football signing. My problem is that he's a very good player, but kind of meh from a marketing POV. Therefore I don't buy it. Just my personal view.

I believe TL went back a couple steps on that recently. I apologize for not having the link, but I believe it was something like 'not needing a massive brand name' if it still means a 'medium star' providing lots of goals and wins.

I could also be nuts.

BuSaPuNk
10-30-2013, 09:21 PM
If you are referencing my post (not sure), I'm just trying to think like Leiweke would think. Defoe would be a great football signing. My problem is that he's a very good player, but kind of meh from a marketing POV. Therefore I don't buy it. Just my personal view.

I don't think it's always been we need a big name at any cost. Like Haddy says his position has moved. He knows he can't just parade a top name out there that will bring nothing to the team. He said were smarter then that.

tfcleeds
10-30-2013, 09:22 PM
LA needed Beckham (all bells and whistles, not a bonafide football star as far as I'm concerned - more the like most overrated player ever. Let's face it - if Beckham looked like Iain Dowie, he wouldn't have had the career he had). Toronto, a more sophisticated soccer market, doesn't.

Haddy
10-30-2013, 09:24 PM
LA needed Beckham (all bells and whistles, not a bonafide football star as far as I'm concerned - more the like most overrated player ever. Let's face it - if Beckham looked like Iain Dowie, he wouldn't have had the career he had). Toronto, a more sophisticated soccer market, doesn't.

What's wrong with Big Sexy?

http://footballburp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/iain-dowie-sloth.jpg

Yohan
10-30-2013, 09:27 PM
I believe TL went back a couple steps on that recently. I apologize for not having the link, but I believe it was something like 'not needing a massive brand name' if it still means a 'medium star' providing lots of goals and wins.

I could also be nuts.
No, you are correct. I can't find the article right now, but Leiweke seems to have playoffs first in his mind.

Ivy
10-30-2013, 09:28 PM
LA needed Beckham (all bells and whistles, not a bonafide football star as far as I'm concerned - more the like most overrated player ever. Let's face it - if Beckham looked like Iain Dowie, he wouldn't have had the career he had). Toronto, a more sophisticated soccer market, doesn't.
I agree, TFCs attendance numbers after 7 years of crap on a stick, considering whether is very similar to LAs, and winning championship team. I fear that of LA wasn't winning jack for 3-4 years, they would become Chivas v.2

Ivy
10-30-2013, 09:30 PM
LA needed Beckham (all bells and whistles, not a bonafide football star as far as I'm concerned - more the like most overrated player ever. Let's face it - if Beckham looked like Iain Dowie, he wouldn't have had the career he had). Toronto, a more sophisticated soccer market, doesn't.
I agree, TFCs attendance numbers after 7 years of crap on a stick, and added weather, is very similar to LAs, a winning championship team. I fear that if LA wasn't winning jack for 3-4 years, they would become Chivas v.2

117
10-30-2013, 09:38 PM
Defoe makes little sense. I don't buy it. He's a good soccer player, and not a real name. How many tickets would he sell?

This is a misdirection play by Leiweke/Nelsen. I hope.

(By which I mean, they are trying to do a favour for Defoe's agent, to create some competition to QPR, but are actually after another client of said agent. This is strictly a wild assed guess.)

I spoke with TL for 20 minutes at a Leaf game last month. He dropped Defoe's name 3 times. He also said he would *LOVE* Lamps, but that Nelson and the rest wouldn't let him bring in another midfielder.

I'm not saying Defoe is coming. But I promise you TL wants him.

glaze
10-30-2013, 09:42 PM
When TFC played Roma this summer, the crowd was there to see Totti. When TFC plays New York, a significant number is there to see Henry. Heck, a lot of TFC's initial success was because of Beckham showing up for a press conference the first year (season ticket sales had an immediate surge after the announcement).

The crowds this year were a lot worse than the numbers indicated. For supporters winning is the main thing, and I believe MLSE wants to win. But they also want to sell out the stadium, preferably immediately.
As such, I think they learned their lesson from the Forlon pursuit, and this time are going to be really quiet until they announce a name with true buzz, that even casual fans will know.

When they are thinking about their target audience, it isn't me, an SSH and supporter, its my father who knows Ekersley and that TFC is the worst team in the world. They are looking to maximise revenue by reaching those on-the fence and new fans. Not sell an extra jersey to supporters who already have their tickets.

Defoe won't do that.

ensco
10-30-2013, 09:59 PM
I spoke with TL for 20 minutes at a Leaf game last month. He dropped Defoe's name 3 times. He also said he would *LOVE* Lamps, but that Nelson and the rest wouldn't let him bring in another midfielder.

I'm not saying Defoe is coming. But I promise you TL wants him.

That is good scoop. I guess we will see.

flamehawk
10-31-2013, 12:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unryYSZRKho

"Host of Red Card Anthony Totera talked with Sky Sport's Gianluca DiMarzio about the chances of star striker from Genoa Alberto Gilardino coming over from Italy to join TFC and give them the scoring punch they've sorely missed."

Doucet3
10-31-2013, 01:13 AM
I hope we get Defoe, having been watching the EPL for years I'd love to see him in the MLS I think with our team he'd be a great addition, might just have to get a name on a jersey barring a terrible first year. Between "Gill" and "Quag" I'd rather "Gill" just seems like a better finisher ntm I think those two would fit our team very good

notthesun
10-31-2013, 01:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unryYSZRKho

"Host of Red Card Anthony Totera talked with Sky Sport's Gianluca DiMarzio about the chances of star striker from Genoa Alberto Gilardino coming over from Italy to join TFC and give them the scoring punch they've sorely missed."

Thanks for that link.

So according to Di Marzio, Gilardino is more likely than Quagliarella. Genoa is keen to hold onto Gilardino until June though, and Gilardino likely wants to stay that long because of the WC. He says TFC should press to close the deal by January and have him arrive in the summer. And ultimately Gilardino has to be swayed to move overseas because he can easily continue playing in Serie A after this year even if it's not with Genoa.

Quagliarella is unlikely. He mentions Quagliarella rejected offers from the Premier League and elsewhere last window in order to stay in Italy. Thinks he'll wait 2 more years before essentially cashing in his career and moving somewhere like MLS.

They also talk about Cassano, Di Natale & Miccoli, all of which he pretty much rejects flat out.

flamehawk
10-31-2013, 07:39 AM
Thanks for that link.

So according to Di Marzio, Gilardino is more likely than Quagliarella. Genoa is keen to hold onto Gilardino until June though, and Gilardino likely wants to stay that long because of the WC. He says TFC should press to close the deal by January and have him arrive in the summer. And ultimately Gilardino has to be swayed to move overseas because he can easily continue playing in Serie A after this year even if it's not with Genoa.

Quagliarella is unlikely. He mentions Quagliarella rejected offers from the Premier League and elsewhere last window in order to stay in Italy. Thinks he'll wait 2 more years before essentially cashing in his career and moving somewhere like MLS.

They also talk about Cassano, Di Natale & Miccoli, all of which he pretty much rejects flat out.

I really hope Totera gets picked up by one of the major networks, he always struck me as one of the most informed/football-minded media personalities in the city resigned to a small youtube program.

Greg
10-31-2013, 07:51 AM
http://www.football-italia.net/41200/gilardino-makes-genoa-pledge


Toronto FC are understood to be planning a January bid (http://www.football-italia.net/41156/gilardino-wanted-toronto) for the Italian international striker, but he doesn’t seem interested.
“It’s always a good thing that people are talking about me,” the former Parma, Milan and Fiorentina ace stated.
“However, I’m a Genoa player and I want to remain here, always doing well in the process.”



As others have said on this thread, Gilardino is an important player for Genoa and they won't let him go without other options.

Phil
10-31-2013, 07:58 AM
http://www.football-italia.net/41200/gilardino-makes-genoa-pledge



As others have said on this thread, Gilardino is an important player for Genoa and they won't let him go without other options.

Its funny seeing the Defoe stuff heat up with offers, makes me think they are moving forward with the big money targets.

burlington Red
10-31-2013, 08:10 AM
Apparently we are targeting 2 DP strikers, and if we listen to the rumour mill, it is no coincidence that Defoe and a striker from Italian league are being touted eg Gilardino. They are the 2 biggest leagues that football fans in Canada identify with, so in terms of marketing I can see why they are being targeted, because in terms of football ability, it is arguable that perhaps German and Spanish leagues are actaully better at this moment

Other posters are right in that re marketing value these players individually cannot compare with a Becks or Henry. But brought into together, that would generate genuine interest and as a footballing move, it would make much more of an impact that bringing in a one 35-36 world superstar.Both Defoe and Gilardino are early 30's and I think that is really the oldest we should be targetting.

Also the Italian league is in a financial mess right now, now is the time to hit that market. I am not sure where we are going to be targetting an attacking mid, but that would be an area I'd certainly be looking to add some quality to also.

Lay off Iain Dowie lol

Initial B
10-31-2013, 08:33 AM
I spoke with TL for 20 minutes at a Leaf game last month. He dropped Defoe's name 3 times. He also said he would *LOVE* Lamps, but that Nelson and the rest wouldn't let him bring in another midfielder.
This concerns me more than anything else. TFC needs someone to give service to the DP striker. We have Laba, but there should be another link in the chain from him to the strikers. I'm desperately afraid that we will have two DP strikers with a midfield that can't get the ball to them. The club's need for a playmaker cannot be emphasized enough.

Ultra & Proud
10-31-2013, 08:48 AM
I know some will always spank for him but IMO considering age, attitude, and current/future form I'd take Brockie over Dero in a second.

Canary10
10-31-2013, 08:55 AM
The EPL is the most followed league in the world. Defoe might not be the biggest name and probably won't attract the mini-van crowd, but anyone who follows the EPL will at least be curious about seeing Jermain Defoe play close up in a 20,000 seat stadium. He'll sell some tickets.

From a football point of view, he also makes a lot of sense. He drops deep to collect balls, so the service issue isn't as big a problem with him. He's quick and has a keen eye for goal. I'm sure he'd be a Robbie Keane type in terms of production.

tfcmanu
10-31-2013, 08:58 AM
http://football-italia.net/41208/mls-sides-want-quagliarella-%E2%80%93-agent

MLS sides want Quagliarella – agent

A number of MLS clubs are keen on Fabio Quagliarella, but his agent insists he’ll see out the season at Juventus.“It’s true, Toronto FC have expressed an interest in him, as well as a number of other MLS sides,” Beppe Bozzo, who also represents Toronto target Alberto Gilardino, told Tuttosport.
“Nevertheless, we’ll see what happens in the summer. For now, Quagliarella is just focused on Juventus and getting back to action as soon as possible.
“He wants to put the muscle injury behind him.”
The former Sampdoria, Udinese and Napoli man was ruled out of action for three weeks in the middle of October due to a thigh strain.
The 30-year-old scored three goals in seven games this term before being sidelined.

http://football-italia.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_photo/[type]/[nid]/quagliarella-fans490ai_10.jpg

forzatoronto
10-31-2013, 09:12 AM
Apparently Quagliarella's agent, Bozzo (same agent as Gilardino) confirmed TFC's interest in him.


TWEET:
(RT by @MLSTransfers) @ADP1113 (Tarek Khatib): "TMW: In America there are eyes on Quagliarella... Quaglia's agent Bozzo "Yes, there's an interest and not only from Toronto, we'll see."


So it sounds like he is definitely on that list of "about half a dozen" players we are looking at.

I wonder who else is in the running for Quag, and what chance we have of actually landing him.

ZBLOMFG. Quagliarella is literally my favourite currently active player. I would love, love, love it to happen, but I think a lot of European teams would also be chasing him if he left Juve at the end of the season. As mentioned, he came very close to moving to England this summer, but decided to stay at Juve to fight for a place. He's done well when he's played, but now that Llorente is starting to find his form he isn't going to find much playing time. I don't follow the EPL particularly closely but I think Defoe would also be a good signing.

Also, Gilardino scored yesterday in Genoa's 1-0 win over Parma, and Italy manager Cesare Prandelli still likes him a lot, presumably based on their time together at Fiorentina. Doesn't seem likely.

Greatest Ripoff
10-31-2013, 09:25 AM
ZBLOMFG. Quagliarella is literally my favourite currently active player. I would love, love, love it to happen, but I think a lot of European teams would also be chasing him if he left Juve at the end of the season. As mentioned, he came very close to moving to England this summer, but decided to stay at Juve to fight for a place. He's done well when he's played, but now that Llorente is starting to find his form he isn't going to find much playing time. I don't follow the EPL particularly closely but I think Defoe would also be a good signing.

From what was being reported here in Englnad, the Quagliarella move to West Ham broke down because West Ham wanted a loan with option to buy but Juve wanted the cash up front on a permanent transfer. Maybe MLSE has the cash to make this happen.

trane
10-31-2013, 09:50 AM
Quagliarella is not a bad choice, he is more of the kind of center forward, we have done well with. But he is injury prone.


Cassano, would be something else. People may not understand how talented of an attacking player he is, if he was not such a fucked up personality he would have been contending for the palon d'orr. But when he is on, he is great, and he can create and finish. The problem is that he is nuts, and he still thinks he has a shot of making the WC team, I doubt it, but it is possible. The last positive is that I think he is physically in better shape then Gillardino and Quagliarela. Borrielo would be another good player for us, but he is not the name the others are.

ManUtd4ever
10-31-2013, 09:57 AM
While he isn't David Beckham in terms of marketability, Jermaine Defoe is certainly a household name among knowledgeable football fans in this city, and there are plenty of them (some of whom may not have given TFC/MLS a sniff yet). He also has plenty of productive years ahead of him. I would be thrilled if we can land him.

mowe
10-31-2013, 10:38 AM
Defoe seems more likely to come in January, based on that Mirror article. He's getting a significant raise, and he's not really part of the picture at Tottenham or for the World Cup.

It's the opposite for Gilardino. No way he comes before the World Cup. But I'd be ecstatic if we did manage to somehow get them both. A bit of an upgrade from Braun and Earnshaw.

Haddy
10-31-2013, 10:41 AM
Defoe seems more likely to come in January, based on that Mirror article. He's getting a significant raise, and he's not really part of the picture at Tottenham or for the World Cup.

It's the opposite for Gilardino. No way he comes before the World Cup. But I'd be ecstatic if we did manage to somehow get them both. A bit of an upgrade from Braun and Earnshaw.

While Defoe hasn't featured in an England match in a few months...he is still being picked regularly and sitting on the bench.

edit: They are both regular subs.

sashavukelich
10-31-2013, 11:41 AM
not that i want to go this way....but DC just declined the option on Dero....might he be worth 120k/year if we could get him in? Surely he's better than Braun and Weeds....

thoughts?

pdubs
10-31-2013, 11:49 AM
I would only take him if the price is right ($100,000 or less ie Braun style wage ($114,00)) but even more importantly his role is clearly defined ie- not starting consistently, depth off the bench, CCL games, ect. He isn't in for the future so adding experience and MLS depth could be a good move.

OgtheDim
10-31-2013, 12:14 PM
DeRo is not a striker anymore. He's an AM.

And we can do better.

Ben - D.O.W.
10-31-2013, 12:20 PM
"...but that Nelson and the rest wouldn't let him bring in another midfielder."

This concerns me more than anything else. TFC needs someone to give service to the DP striker. We have Laba, but there should be another link in the chain from him to the strikers. I'm desperately afraid that we will have two DP strikers with a midfield that can't get the ball to them. The club's need for a playmaker cannot be emphasized enough.


I don't think this should be an issue - I think in the context of that conversation they don't want the DPs in the midfield. They keep talking about getting 2-3 MLS-hardened / experienced players in on top of the DPs, I'm hopeful that's where the service is going to come from. (and no Dero - please)

Edit - to clarify my point, I hope they have MLS guys already in mind for the midfield, and by "another" midfielder he means on top of that

Ultra & Proud
10-31-2013, 12:25 PM
not that i want to go this way....but DC just declined the option on Dero....might he be worth 120k/year if we could get him in? Surely he's better than Braun and Weeds....

thoughts?
But no better than Brockie would be if we chose to bring him back. Guarantee better players than him will be in the re-entry draft this fall and as he is an AM now, we should aim for something a little more long term than DeRo. For me, he'd be off the bench for MF depth/CCL matches and behind a vast amount of forwards if the potential DPs come in and also behind Dike (and Brockie and/or Earnshaw if they return) off the bench. You really think an ego like his can accept that he is the new Wiedeman?

Red4ever
10-31-2013, 01:11 PM
I'd take Dero. Maybe in a trade mid-season

gdg_9
10-31-2013, 01:56 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/10/31/american-exports-estudiantes-prospect-kevin-hoyos-seeks-mls-move-after-stron

Don't much about this kid specifically, but in general, this is the type of players TFC should be scouting and recruiting.

Born in US (i.e. Domestic Status) but trained in Argentina. Young (20), and performing well on loan in Honduras.

Story sounds sort of similar to Osorio, and he has worked out pretty well for us!


Now this specific kid may not fit, especially if we do end up with two DP Fwds, but I'd like to see TFC do a better job at finding kids in this sort of situation.

Hopefully Bez can help with that, with his league contacts from his former role.

sashavukelich
10-31-2013, 02:03 PM
But no better than Brockie would be if we chose to bring him back. Guarantee better players than him will be in the re-entry draft this fall and as he is an AM now, we should aim for something a little more long term than DeRo. For me, he'd be off the bench for MF depth/CCL matches and behind a vast amount of forwards if the potential DPs come in and also behind Dike (and Brockie and/or Earnshaw if they return) off the bench. You really think an ego like his can accept that he is the new Wiedeman?


Don't know...and for a creator i'd rather have Lindpere..but who knows. Hometown kid comes back for his last year of Pro-soccer? Maybe he has a cracking season like 2011. Who knows really?

Ultra & Proud
10-31-2013, 02:07 PM
Don't know...and for a creator i'd rather have Lindpere.
Well, I expect to see him in that re-entry draft so we'll probably get our chance.

Edit: and if so, I would consider giving him a shot and replacing Convey with him at a better rate. $30K saved right there and Lindpere was great in NY.

Yohan
10-31-2013, 02:11 PM
Well, I expect to see him in that re-entry draft so we'll probably get our chance.
he'll be available for re entry draft pending on whether Chicago offered him a qualifying contract and if he doesn't opt himself out of the reentry draft

zamperina
10-31-2013, 03:02 PM
Grant Wahl reporting on twitter "Italian sources tell me TFC and Genoa are close to agreeing on a 5 million transfer that would send Gilardino to Toronto in August. Its believed the player would earn 5 million a season."

mowe
10-31-2013, 03:20 PM
Grant Wahl reporting on twitter "Italian sources tell me TFC and Genoa are close to agreeing on a 5 million transfer that would send Gilardino to Toronto in August. Its believed the player would earn 5 million a season."

Good news. Now to get a DP for January.

Super
10-31-2013, 03:25 PM
Good news indeed. So let's figure out 2014. We need DP's ready to go in January or we may face another disaster of a season. Need goalscorers.

Yohan
10-31-2013, 03:25 PM
Grant Wahl reporting on twitter "Italian sources tell me TFC and Genoa are close to agreeing on a 5 million transfer that would send Gilardino to Toronto in August. Its believed the player would earn 5 million a season."
http://soccer.si.com/2013/10/31/caleb-porter-portland-timbers-extension-alberto-gilardino-toronto-fc/

The article

MartinUtd
10-31-2013, 03:28 PM
I guess that's good, but I don't like the idea of us locking down a mid season acquisition prior to someone who can start the season with us.

Yohan
10-31-2013, 03:33 PM
http://www.goal.com/en-ca/news/4175/major-league-soccer/2013/10/31/4374178/agent-quagliarella-contemplating-move-to-toronto-fc-next

Agent confirming TFC Quagliarella interest

tfcmanu
10-31-2013, 03:54 PM
MLS Transfers‏@MLSTransfers8m (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/MLSTransfers/status/396014725123035136).@GrantWahl (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/GrantWahl) reporting Toronto FC are close to agreeing to a $5 million bid with Genoa for forward Alberto Gilardino. He would join in August


http://soccer.si.com/2013/10/31/caleb-porter-portland-timbers-extension-alberto-gilardino-toronto-fc/

The article

OgtheDim
10-31-2013, 04:23 PM
Is there a person in Genoa on Rollerblades we can get to confirm this?

TFC1154ever
10-31-2013, 04:52 PM
This deal is only good is we get a good AM, or he is gonna be useless. He is a good finisher and gets in good areas but needs service to be effective!

ag futbol
10-31-2013, 05:04 PM
Don't much about this kid specifically, but in general, this is the type of players TFC should be scouting and recruiting.

Strikes me as one of those players who "magically" ends up playing for one of a handful of teams and avoids the larger allocation process. But yes, someone who is interesting.

ManUtd4ever
10-31-2013, 05:55 PM
I would love the Gilardino transfer even more if it was in January, but beggars can't be choosers...

Marc"2L"
10-31-2013, 06:06 PM
So this is looking more like the two names they want, are they big enough to renew/bring in new ita...people?

tfcleeds
10-31-2013, 07:28 PM
For all the talk about DP strikers, let's get a DP midfielder for pete's sake. No one's going to score if they don't have service.

backbeat
10-31-2013, 09:08 PM
For all the talk about DP strikers, let's get a DP midfielder for pete's sake. No one's going to score if they don't have service.


i agree but we do have a significant amount of cap space to spend on either good MLS wingers or AM's or from other leagues - i think we have the dollars beyond the 2 DPs to bring in quality attacking mids, a CB and a LB

jimiv
10-31-2013, 09:27 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but the article that was titled "Eckersley Aims to Stay in MLS" has been retitled as "Will Eckersley Return?" on TFC website ... Makes you wonder.

pdubs
10-31-2013, 09:32 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but the article that was titled "Eckersley Aims to Stay in MLS" has been retitled as "Will Eckersley Return?" on TFC website ... Makes you wonder.

lol not for the $310,000 guaranteed money he is making

BuSaPuNk
10-31-2013, 09:41 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but the article that was titled "Eckersley Aims to Stay in MLS" has been retitled as "Will Eckersley Return?" on TFC website ... Makes you wonder.

Trying to save face I would assume.

Haddy
10-31-2013, 09:54 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but the article that was titled "Eckersley Aims to Stay in MLS" has been retitled as "Will Eckersley Return?" on TFC website ... Makes you wonder.

That's a bad or inexperienced headline writer not getting proofread correctly.

Haddy
10-31-2013, 09:54 PM
Is there a person in Genoa on Rollerblades we can get to confirm this?

This is the only thing funnier than three sendings off for MTL!

jloome
10-31-2013, 10:29 PM
That's a bad or inexperienced headline writer not getting proofread correctly.

He has a guaranteed deal for next year. Maybe there are legal reasons they have to make it sound nebulous publicly.

Haddy
11-01-2013, 07:42 AM
So there is roughly 6 DP's...or at least more than 3... That TFC is looking at. Rumours about Defoe, Quagliarella and Gilardino.

Who are the others?

tfcmanu
11-01-2013, 07:57 AM
Cassano, Adebayor & Forlan
So there is roughly 6 DP's...or at least more than 3... That TFC is looking at. Rumours about Defoe, Quagliarella and Gilardino.

Who are the others?

HeyToronto
11-01-2013, 08:54 AM
DeRo is not a striker anymore. He's an AM.

And we can do better.

Dero never really was a striker we just played him there because we didn't have any better.

Who better to mentor Osoria & Becker for 2 to 3 seasons.

We can do better? We never have. On the field there have been very few DP's in league history that can rival Dero's production if any.

if he's available and willin it's a no brainer. You can still go crazy & over speand on the European DPs everyone has a hard on for.

pekduck
11-01-2013, 09:23 AM
Dero never really was a striker we just played him there because we didn't have any better.

Who better to mentor Osoria & Becker for 2 to 3 seasons.

We can do better? We never have. On the field there have been very few DP's in league history that can rival Dero's production if any.

if he's available and willin it's a no brainer. You can still go crazy & over speand on the European DPs everyone has a hard on for.

I'd much not to have him mentor any youngsters with sense of entitlement and narcissism.

From all the road trips I've taken and witnessed. DeRo and JDG always late to team buses, meetings. When everyone else is using standard issue Adidas team gears/duffel bags/equipment bags etc, these two divas will always lounging in with their LV bags, clutches/purses, and acting like stoned rappers.

I'd rather have a cohesive locker room where they can put aside the salary gap and work together as a real team. Skills can be learned, characters cannot be groomed yet easily corrupted.

Canary10
11-01-2013, 09:44 AM
Dero never really was a striker we just played him there because we didn't have any better.

Who better to mentor Osoria & Becker for 2 to 3 seasons.

We can do better? We never have. On the field there have been very few DP's in league history that can rival Dero's production if any.

if he's available and willin it's a no brainer. You can still go crazy & over speand on the European DPs everyone has a hard on for.

I don't think it's at all a no brainer.

WestStandGeoff
11-01-2013, 09:44 AM
Gilardino plays down interest from TFC...

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1600617/genoa-striker-alberto-gilardino-plays-toronto-link?cc=5901

burlington Red
11-01-2013, 09:47 AM
League has changed, year by year we are seeing a better influx of higher calibre players. Dero's done, plain and simple, was a good player in his day, but he's got older and there are better players out there. It's been well documented by other posters, he isn't going to take a huge pay cut to come here and sit on the bench and mentor young players, his ego is too big for that. Even if he were to agree to pay cut, I still wouldn't want him back, just don't see what he brings anymore. We need to be looking forward and not backwards. I don't think Nelsen would even entertain the thought anway. Nothing against Dero, but time catches up with everyone. I don't even want us signing so called Euro stars in his age range.

Oldtimer
11-01-2013, 09:54 AM
http://www.thespec.com/sports-story/4184229-mls-toronto-fc-offers-rich-deal-to-tottenham-striker-defoe/

Yohan
11-01-2013, 11:13 AM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/tfc-coach-gilardino-defoe-would-bolster-mls/

Nelsen interview on Defoe and Gilardino

TFC/Everton
11-01-2013, 11:31 AM
So, I don't think this should surprise anyone. What is he going to say? Yes, I want to leave. The fans would eat him alive.

trane
11-01-2013, 12:32 PM
So we are bringing in Gilla and Quaglia? And what about a trequartista???

trane
11-01-2013, 12:34 PM
Cassano, Adebayor & Forlan

Now that would work.

HeyToronto
11-01-2013, 02:26 PM
I'd much not to have him mentor any youngsters with sense of entitlement and narcissism.

From all the road trips I've taken and witnessed. DeRo and JDG always late to team buses, meetings. When everyone else is using standard issue Adidas team gears/duffel bags/equipment bags etc, these two divas will always lounging in with their LV bags, clutches/purses, and acting like stoned rappers.

I'd rather have a cohesive locker room where they can put aside the salary gap and work together as a real team. Skills can be learned, characters cannot be groomed yet easily corrupted.

Blah, Blah, Blah. I'm not looking for someone to hold Osorio and Beckkers hand while they walk to school, I want someone who does his talking on the field like he did THIS YEAR in the US Open cup. I could care less what duffel bags he uses, and if you think that's what make or breaks a locker room, what do you think is going to happen when they bring in a guy that's making 15 or 16 mill a year?

If we get Quags, Gila, Defore, Adebayor or whoever they will still need supply. I'm not saying going after Dero is a priority but if he's available & wants to come, I'm not going to believe he's done just because people says so when history tells a very different story.

Ivy
11-01-2013, 02:28 PM
Defoe isn't cracking the England squad. ESPECIALLY since he barely plays. Might as well make the big bucks.

Super
11-01-2013, 02:31 PM
Defoe isn't cracking the England squad. ESPECIALLY since he barely plays. Might as well make the big bucks.

Exactly! And he's 31. This will be his last contract. What's the alternative? Fulham? And at far less money? What's the point of that. Won't win anything. Arsenal, United, City, those teams won't be knocking on his door offering a starting spot. He'd be well advised to take the money and put in 3 years over here - and be a STAR in the city, but still anonymous enough that he can venture outside without fans jumping him left, right and center.

Ivy
11-01-2013, 02:31 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah. I'm not looking for someone to hold Osorio and Beckkers hand while they walk to school, I want someone who does his talking on the field like he did THIS YEAR in the US Open cup. I could care less what duffel bags he uses, and if you think that's what make or breaks a locker room, what do you think is going to happen when they bring in a guy that's making 15 or 16 mill a year?

If we get Quags, Gila, Defore, Adebayor or whoever they will still need supply. I'm not saying going after Dero is a priority but if he's available & wants to come, I'm not going to believe he's done just because people says so when history tells a very different story.
I reject your theory. Sorry.

Ivy
11-01-2013, 02:47 PM
Exactly! And he's 31. This will be his last contract. What's the alternative? Fulham? And at far less money? What's the point of that. Won't win anything. Arsenal, United, City, those teams won't be knocking on his door offering a starting spot. He'd be well advised to take the money and put in 3 years over here - and be a STAR in the city, but still anonymous enough that he can venture outside without fans jumping him left, right and center.
I think his agent is pushing him to do it as well, it's a big pay day for an aging player. 8m a year until he's 34... What more can you ask for?
Stop BSing yourself, Defoe. You better show up in January.

BuSaPuNk
11-01-2013, 02:47 PM
Don't understand how anyone can question the DeRo issue. He's not coming he doesn't belong here. If rather have Mista back then this locker room cancer. Keep him the hell away from this club. He's broken down old and lost a step.

Wonder why DeRo did so "well" in the open cup? Probably because he was playing against MLS sides B teams.

Yohan
11-01-2013, 02:57 PM
Wonder why DeRo did so "well" in the open cup? Probably because he was playing against MLS sides B teams.
I checked the match reports. None of MLS teams DC faced during 2013 USOC were playing their 'B' team

Richard
11-01-2013, 03:07 PM
I have no issue with Dero on the field at all, he is a workhorse and is a proven winner/clutch player when needs to be.

What I do have an issue with is the off field drama and the commotion he tends to cause, he needs to grow up in that regard and I don't see Nelson wanting a player like him on the team.

justin
11-01-2013, 03:34 PM
just want to throw this in here, anyone who wants Adebayor on our team is mental. Guy has no drive at all, only good seasons he has ever had are in contract years, and isn't good for a locker room.

pdubs
11-01-2013, 03:36 PM
just want to throw this in here, anyone who wants Adebayor on our team is mental. Guy has no drive at all, only good seasons he has ever had are in contract years, and isn't good for a locker room.

this, completely agree

jloome
11-01-2013, 04:46 PM
just want to throw this in here, anyone who wants Adebayor on our team is mental. Guy has no drive at all, only good seasons he has ever had are in contract years, and isn't good for a locker room.

I find the number of top level names allegedly being considered truly disheartening. There are so many options out there that are as good, cheaper, younger in some cases and definitely available at this sort of coin. This is about the promo end, the big name. Rarely does that perfectly intersect with who a team actually needs to be more competitive. ANyone remember Becks' disastrous first year in LA? It was a f'ing shambles until Arena came in and rebuilt the core of the team around top-producing bargains like Juninho (a loan for three years made permanent), Sarvas and youngsters like De La Garza and Gonzalez (another TFC draft reject, let's all cringe together now.)

I think Defoe would be great; but the idea that we should be wedded to him or Quagliarela or Gillardino or anyone by now is just stupid.

Yohan
11-01-2013, 04:52 PM
I find the number of top level names allegedly being considered truly disheartening. There are so many options out there that are as good, cheaper, younger in some cases and definitely available at this sort of coin. This is about the promo end, the big name. Rarely does that perfectly intersect with who a team actually needs to be more competitive. ANyone remember Becks' disastrous first year in LA? It was a f'ing shambles until Arena came in and rebuilt the core of the team around top-producing bargains like Juninho (a loan for three years made permanent), Sarvas and youngsters like De La Garza and Gonzalez (another TFC draft reject, let's all cringe together now.)

I think Defoe would be great; but the idea that we should be wedded to him or Quagliarela or Gillardino or anyone by now is just stupid.
with guys like Defoe, Gilardino, is that you get 'known' quality, at least the perception is. versus getting an 'unknown' from South America

jloome
11-01-2013, 05:10 PM
with guys like Defoe, Gilardino, is that you get 'known' quality, at least the perception is. versus getting an 'unknown' from South America

It doesn't have to be an unknown; that's certainly a good place to look to build up the technique in this squad, but I'm talking about players from SA or other parts of the world who have already made it to Europe and have proven themselves. If we're paying $10 mil plus transfer fees, as the Gilardino story, we can compete for guys who are young and productive but won't ever get back to the world's big clubs, guys like Crouch or Ricky Lambert, or if we're ambitious someone like Huntelaar (I know he just signed an extension, but it's an example of the type.) There are a lot of "class B" players who are word class and make their national teams, but don't cost as much as a top former EPL striker.

Robbie Keane was a great example, although the timing was great there on his contract, admittedly.

Haddy
11-01-2013, 05:22 PM
Defoe isn't cracking the England squad. ESPECIALLY since he barely plays. Might as well make the big bucks.

Defoe is already on the England squad. He is a regular on the bench...but he's on the squad. He'd have to have one hell of a run of form to crack the starting 11.

His only danger is losing his place.

mcolvy
11-01-2013, 05:33 PM
We should have grabbed up Kevin Prince Boateng.... hahaha

jazzy
11-02-2013, 12:16 AM
I don't think it's at all a no brainer.

exactly ..I'd rather have a lower paid Koev's than Dero.....and I loved Dero BUT now's the time to say bye !

trane
11-02-2013, 05:48 AM
It doesn't have to be an unknown; that's certainly a good place to look to build up the technique in this squad, but I'm talking about players from SA or other parts of the world who have already made it to Europe and have proven themselves. If we're paying $10 mil plus transfer fees, as the Gilardino story, we can compete for guys who are young and productive but won't ever get back to the world's big clubs, guys like Crouch or Ricky Lambert, or if we're ambitious someone like Huntelaar (I know he just signed an extension, but it's an example of the type.) There are a lot of "class B" players who are word class and make their national teams, but don't cost as much as a top former EPL striker.

Robbie Keane was a great example, although the timing was great there on his contract, admittedly.

I actually agree with you, I always thought that the target should be a sort of 4 star player who in Europe would be a star on a smaller team or a back up on a big team, attract him here by giving him 5 star salary. A slightly younger De Vaio in his day, or Yakubu in his day, Borriello a couple of years ago, Huntelaar . I would not get Crouch personally just because I am not sold on him.

trane
11-02-2013, 05:53 AM
We should have grabbed up Kevin Prince Boateng.... hahaha

I was truly going to mention him. He is the Type he may relish being the star in a big city. My problem with him is that his physical/technical assets are that of a Center Forward, but he plays AM and is not constant enough of a finisher for a cf. But i got to tell you as a CF in this league he could be great. Big, strong, fast, great shot, can get up.

mcolvy
11-02-2013, 02:36 PM
I was truly going to mention him. He is the Type he may relish being the star in a big city. My problem with him is that his physical/technical assets are that of a Center Forward, but he plays AM and is not constant enough of a finisher for a cf. But i got to tell you as a CF in this league he could be great. Big, strong, fast, great shot, can get up.

Exactly. And regardless of what league he is in he will always be allowed in his national team. His character has been questioned, but not in any way detrimental to the team. Hes almost 27 and Toronto would be a good spot for him.

I think we need to look into a guy like him who's style matches that of MLS. You pair him up front with a finisher.

boozilla
11-02-2013, 03:45 PM
Exactly. And regardless of what league he is in he will always be allowed in his national team.
Probably why he chose Ghana after playing for U21 Germany.

Marc"2L"
11-02-2013, 04:32 PM
Nothing of note today, AVB shooting down the Defoe reports isn't news worthy, it's standard operating stuff. The explanation about Nelly talking to Defoe is nice though, shows that this is very much an amicable conversation.

Otherwise, you know, he could of said something else, legally speaking..

mcolvy
11-02-2013, 10:21 PM
Jimmy Neilsen is done. Frei will be his replacement in SKC...100 P

Prof
11-03-2013, 10:07 AM
I find the number of top level names allegedly being considered truly disheartening. There are so many options out there that are as good, cheaper, younger in some cases and definitely available at this sort of coin. This is about the promo end, the big name. Rarely does that perfectly intersect with who a team actually needs to be more competitive. ANyone remember Becks' disastrous first year in LA? It was a f'ing shambles until Arena came in and rebuilt the core of the team around top-producing bargains like Juninho (a loan for three years made permanent), Sarvas and youngsters like De La Garza and Gonzalez (another TFC draft reject, let's all cringe together now.)

I think Defoe would be great; but the idea that we should be wedded to him or Quagliarela or Gillardino or anyone by now is just stupid.

right on brother.

jazzy
11-03-2013, 10:41 AM
It doesn't have to be an unknown; that's certainly a good place to look to build up the technique in this squad, but I'm talking about players from SA or other parts of the world who have already made it to Europe and have proven themselves. If we're paying $10 mil plus transfer fees, as the Gilardino story, we can compete for guys who are young and productive but won't ever get back to the world's big clubs, guys like Crouch or Ricky Lambert, or if we're ambitious someone like Huntelaar (I know he just signed an extension, but it's an example of the type.) There are a lot of "class B" players who are word class and make their national teams, but don't cost as much as a top former EPL striker.

Robbie Keane was a great example, although the timing was great there on his contract, admittedly.

all your comments are frighteningly real to me......I'm very afraid of losing the 'team' concept, if I make any sense , with one over the top signing. Imagine if any of these 'saviours' come in with any attitude comparable to Mista. We're dead . What with every team gunning to show us up , even more than now . (If that is possible)...All the team has to do is shut down our 'star'. Yesterday Liverpool (with 2 top strikers) was stymied by a much stronger Arsenal mid .(excuse me for enjoying that). Sure it'll be neat watching a super star but we have to have a strong team that can survive without him or it's simply 'icing' .

PS too bad Craig Bellamy wasn't 30 , cheaper and willing to visit TO.....that would be fun.

ArmenJBX
11-03-2013, 12:18 PM
Gianluca Di Marzio is reporting that Genoa has accepted Toronto FC's $6 million offer for Alberto Gilardino.

http://www.vavel.com/en-us/mls/300352-genoa-accept-toronto-fc-s-6-million-offer-for-gilardino.html

Kaz
11-03-2013, 12:45 PM
Neat, but I'll believe it when I see the Presser with a shirt with his name on it.

mowe
11-03-2013, 12:53 PM
This is the source: http://www.gianlucadimarzio.com/calciomercato/gilardino-il-toronto-aumenta-lofferta-i-dettagli/

Google Translate:
Offer increased. The Toronto press, wants Alberto Gilardino. At Genoa have been proposed 6 million, already accepted by society rossoblu. Now the ball passes to the attacker, who must make his decision. And 'ready a four by three million per year. A purchase anyway for the next season, which would be left with Gilardino to Genoa on loan until the end of the season. If Gilardino will not accept the transfer in Major League Soccer, the Toronto will tack on Defoe in which the negotiation is already underway. The intention is to close one of the two talks in the coming days.

I think it's saying TFC will buy Gilardino and loan him back to Genoa until the end of their season. In any case Gilardino still has to decide himself if he wants to come here.

BuSaPuNk
11-03-2013, 12:53 PM
All up to Gilardino to accept now. That is the biggest thing. But yes not celebrating until I see a video of them making his shirt lol

OgtheDim
11-03-2013, 02:54 PM
....But yes not celebrating until I see a video of them making his shirt lol

My lasting memories of this summer's transfer window will be:

a) rollerblade guy

b) that shirt video


Two scales of epic that will be hard to ever beat.

Milanista
11-03-2013, 03:22 PM
id rather have Quag's...better one on one and has a rocket of a shot! Plus when u play with Gila he needs service and ppl who can cross the ball, if he gets that service he can score a shit ton. I just hope they realze they need an AM just as bad as they need a striker

pdubs
11-03-2013, 03:23 PM
lets see if this gets confirmed soon. still hoping we can lock up defoe too

Haddy
11-03-2013, 04:19 PM
I hope Gilardino turns it down, if that is indeed the offer. I realize how hard it is to bring in a DP in the winter...but thinking about them missing the first five months of the regular season...and to be possibly tired for the remaining three months just makes me depressed.

But if that's how TFC has to sign the DPs they want, okay. But that will definitely not convince me to renew for an 8th season. Bez better do a damn fine job of acquiring a supporting cast to be in contention when the 'heavy hitters' arrive.

I have a very limited amount of money and can't face another season of waste...let alone telling my wife she was right...AGAIN!!

flamehawk
11-03-2013, 04:59 PM
I hope Gilardino turns it down, if that is indeed the offer. I realize how hard it is to bring in a DP in the winter...but thinking about them missing the first five months of the regular season...and to be possibly tired for the remaining three months just makes me depressed.

But if that's how TFC has to sign the DPs they want, okay. But that will definitely not convince me to renew for an 8th season. Bez better do a damn fine job of acquiring a supporting cast to be in contention when the 'heavy hitters' arrive.

I have a very limited amount of money and can't face another season of waste...let alone telling my wife she was right...AGAIN!!


Yep, and Defoe > Gilardino. But why not both, I wonder who the other person we are targetting if we do Gilardino.

ArmenJBX
11-03-2013, 07:09 PM
Remember, David Beckham's signing didn't mean LA Galaxy got to control their man for the full tenure. He went off and played in A.C. Milan as he pleased until after the World Cup. The World Cup seems to dictate what international-level players will or won't do for MLS sides, and that looks to be the case here, too.

moralis
11-03-2013, 07:28 PM
The Genoa coach says Gilardino should not come to Toronto because "It's too cold" and in Genoa the weather is better. Which, I agree, but still a humorous reason for Genoa's coach to give.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goal.com%2Fit%2Fnews%2F2%2Fseri e-a%2F2013%2F11%2F03%2F4380701%2Fgasperini-applaude-il-genoa-abbiamo-vinto-con-grande-merito

Genoa's coach must be putting a lot of garbage thoughts into Gilardino's head for him not to sign with TFC

ensco
11-03-2013, 07:44 PM
Remember, David Beckham's signing didn't mean LA Galaxy got to control their man for the full tenure. He went off and played in A.C. Milan as he pleased until after the World Cup. The World Cup seems to dictate what international-level players will or won't do for MLS sides, and that looks to be the case here, too.

Yes. Dempsey will be on loan in the EPL 5 minutes after the Sounders are done.

ag futbol
11-03-2013, 09:28 PM
I think this kind of activity is completely nuts. They are grinding the players into bits with the number of fixtures they are allowing them to play over the course of a year.

Not a great way to get a return on your high priced investment.

Richard
11-03-2013, 09:43 PM
I think this kind of activity is completely nuts. They are grinding the players into bits with the number of fixtures they are allowing them to play over the course of a year.

Not a great way to get a return on your high priced investment.

I agree. They seriously need to have other targets that can come straight in, I'm sick of this mid season acquisition crap where the player is either dead or were already done in the league standings.

OgtheDim
11-03-2013, 10:01 PM
Nelsen said they are looking for 2-4 starters to come in who are "hardened MLS types".

To me, the off season will be as much judged based on who those people are as the DP's.

SKB
11-03-2013, 10:03 PM
For those who are interested in Lampard: "You have to question Mourinho’s logic in starting Frank Lampard. The veteran midfielder has been a passenger out there most weeks, and he did nothing in this one to suggest he deserves more starts. Mourinho needs to throw off the shackles, bench Lampard"

Stress
11-04-2013, 08:35 AM
For those who are interested in Lampard: "You have to question Mourinho’s logic in starting Frank Lampard. The veteran midfielder has been a passenger out there most weeks, and he did nothing in this one to suggest he deserves more starts. Mourinho needs to throw off the shackles, bench Lampard"

I thought the same thing watching the Chelsea game this weekend. Over the hill midfielders won't cut it as our DPs. Hope they steer clear of this one.

levyashin
11-04-2013, 11:55 AM
With all this player speculation ---start the season/mid season arrival---the main consideration must be;
50 POINTS WILL BE NEEDED TO MAKE THE PLAY-OFFs.
Can this team get 30 points before the (new arrivals in the summer) get here.
In 7 years we have not had 15/20 in that time.
How will a mid season signing make the difference?
WE NEED A TEAM FROM THE START!!!
That is the biggest and most important thin we need.:scarf:

ag futbol
11-04-2013, 11:58 AM
If I were Nelsen I'd be hesitant to sign anybody who can't be here until the summer window. An early drop in form is a major threat to his job security.

denime
11-04-2013, 12:03 PM
The Genoa coach says Gilardino should not come to Toronto because "It's too cold" and in Genoa the weather is better. Which, I agree, but still a humorous reason for Genoa's coach to give.

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goal.com%2Fit%2Fnews%2F2%2Fseri e-a%2F2013%2F11%2F03%2F4380701%2Fgasperini-applaude-il-genoa-abbiamo-vinto-con-grande-merito

Genoa's coach must be putting a lot of garbage thoughts into Gilardino's head for him not to sign with TFC

He does not need to talk garbage about TFC,he only needs to tell him the truth and show him our record in last 7 years,Gilardino will be able to realize on his own that in fact we were and are garbage since 2007.

Detroit_TFC
11-04-2013, 12:06 PM
Nelsen said they are looking for 2-4 starters to come in who are "hardened MLS types".

To me, the off season will be as much judged based on who those people are as the DP's.

Yes yes yes yes. The DPs will add a lot of potential but these 2-4 MLS starters may strongly influence how actually effective any DP brought in (whether in January or July) may be.

jloome
11-04-2013, 12:17 PM
Nelsen said they are looking for 2-4 starters to come in who are "hardened MLS types".

To me, the off season will be as much judged based on who those people are as the DP's.

Again, while I recognize the inherent culture shock of a league with lots of travel and a weird seasonal schedule compared to other FIFA nations, the reality is that they should be looking well beyond just "hardened MLS players" to players who have a step up in technique. This team lacked goals and offensive production more than anything last season.

There are guys in the league who fit that bill, of course; a guy like Omar Cummings for example or Kenny Cooper, both starters in this league and both on the bench these days, could certainly contribute. Mattocks might be on the market, too.

But there are also guys like Valencia at Portland, Koffie at Vancouver, Rivero and Reyes at Colorado, who were signed as top players in smaller South American leagues or from Africa and can contribute as well, and who will likely hit the cap less.

I hope most of what we're hearing is just oversimplified bluster and that they're considering all options, doing proper due diligence. THis is what is REALLY lacking in every TFC offseason, having an infrastructure geared towards achievement by covering the bases and the basics.

Also, we need a starting center back. Doneil is not ready yet. Ideally, we need a technical midfielder as well who can take pressure off Osorio and free him up to play both inside and on the wing, partic. if we stick with the 442.

mastermixer
11-04-2013, 12:27 PM
Again, while I recognize the inherent culture shock of a league with lots of travel and a weird seasonal schedule compared to other FIFA nations, the reality is that they should be looking well beyond just "hardened MLS players" to players who have a step up in technique. This team lacked goals and offensive production more than anything last season.

There are guys in the league who fit that bill, of course; a guy like Omar Cummings for example or Kenny Cooper, both starters in this league and both on the bench these days, could certainly contribute. Mattocks might be on the market, too.

But there are also guys like Valencia at Portland, Koffie at Vancouver, Rivero and Reyes at Colorado, who were signed as top players in smaller South American leagues or from Africa and can contribute as well, and who will likely hit the cap less.

I hope most of what we're hearing is just oversimplified bluster and that they're considering all options, doing proper due diligence. THis is what is REALLY lacking in every TFC offseason, having an infrastructure geared towards achievement by covering the bases and the basics.

Also, we need a starting center back. Doneil is not ready yet. Ideally, we need a technical midfielder as well who can take pressure off Osorio and free him up to play both inside and on the wing, partic. if we stick with the 442.

This I agree with. However he's close. Problem is where else is going to get necessary minutes at this stage of his career?

I also think Ashtone Morgan needs to be upgraded. He is not going to improve at this point. Yes he's Canadian content, but I don't think the guy knows how to make a pass. 90 percent of his passes are hoofed to no mans land past the centre line. Not productive for creating any scoring chances.

razor787
11-04-2013, 03:09 PM
Keep Morgan as depth RB, and bring in a new one. Find another CB that can come in for 1-2 seasons (at which time Agboss, and Henry will be ready). Bring in a skilled AM, add on the DP strikers, and the team is looking solid. So overall, we need 5 pieces this window in order to really show improvement.

CB, RB, AM, ST, ST

Shouldn't be too hard to find a good AM or RB to come in, but it does seem harder to find good CB's for a reasonable price. Hopefully we can find another Caldwell.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 03:13 PM
I doubt we're gonna see changes to the back line.

mowe
11-04-2013, 03:25 PM
I doubt we're gonna see changes to the back line.

If Caldwell gets injured we can't rely on Henry leading the line next to Boss for an extended period of time. We need to find an experienced CB for around 80k who can step in whenever needed. Basically a poor man's Caldwell.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 03:29 PM
If Caldwell gets injured we can't rely on Henry leading the line next to Boss for an extended period of time. We need to find an experienced CB for around 80k who can step in whenever needed. Basically a poor man's Caldwell.
Not very realistic. For 80k, you won't find much better than Henry. I would replace Boss before I would Henry. The only replacement I think we'll see come in for the back is a RB who can also play CB.

Marc"2L"
11-04-2013, 03:58 PM
Not very realistic. For 80k, you won't find much better than Henry. I would replace Boss before I would Henry. The only replacement I think we'll see come in for the back is a RB who can also play CB.

Better check FIFA...

moralis
11-04-2013, 04:45 PM
Grant Wahl's article on TFC's pursuit of Gilardino and Defoe (Last Paragraph):

http://soccer.si.com/2013/11/04/lloris-klinsmann-usmnt-mls-playoffs-toronto-fc/

OgtheDim
11-04-2013, 05:17 PM
From that Wahl article


Leiweke also voiced support for coach Ryan Nelsen, saying Nelsen needs a full season to coach the team without the front-office turmoil that was the case this past season.



I wonder if Wahl got a grain of salt with that.

cwell
11-04-2013, 05:29 PM
This is where a problem might creep in in terms of TL's belief and now commitment to sign expensive DPs by January. If exactly the right one(s) is not available, then I hope he has the strength of character to say he couldn't pull it off and that instead the team is going to hire the best "hardened MLS types" possible.
Nelsen said they are looking for 2-4 starters to come in who are "hardened MLS types".

To me, the off season will be as much judged based on who those people are as the DP's.

notthesun
11-04-2013, 06:11 PM
Armen saying on twitter Gilardino has agreed to a transfer to TFC (https://twitter.com/ArmenBedakian/status/397490537835798528). Haven't seen any similar reports from others yet.

Marc"2L"
11-04-2013, 06:12 PM
Hmm, I seem to be jonesing for some news.

This is not good.

Anybody?

TFC/Everton
11-04-2013, 06:29 PM
I've found a couple other tweets about it, but nothing reported in the media. Regardless, I feel like this is coming together.

We need Gilardino to sign followed by Defoe. Then, we need a couple solid MLS players to round out the midfield and perhaps one more defender.

Please God, let both of them sign!

Ivy
11-04-2013, 06:32 PM
Armen Armen... RPB calling Armen Bedakian to get over here and update the f5ers

ArmenJBX
11-04-2013, 06:37 PM
Heard yesterday that Toronto FC was looking to close the deal in a few days and Gila would stay on loan to Genoa until end of season.

Don't know if that means pre or post World Cup. Genoa reportedly accepted a $6 million offer from TFC yesterday. Gasperini made a comment about not wanting Gila to leave, saying Toronto is too cold.

Heard today from an Italian journo friend of mine that Gilardino had agreed on a $3 million a year offer. Not confirmed yet, but he was the one who tipped me off about Genoa and about Quagliarella so I figured it was worth a tweet.

Edit: worded that wrong. He hasn't put pen to paper yet, as far as I know. My source said he "agreed" so I'm clarifying that.

ArmenJBX
11-04-2013, 06:39 PM
Also, from another Italian journo who spoke with Beppe Bozzo, his agent; Gilardino is keen on living in Toronto (or, "here" which could mean Canada, North America, etc.).

flamehawk
11-04-2013, 06:40 PM
Heard yesterday that Toronto FC was looking to close the deal in a few days and Gila would stay on loan to Genoa until end of season.

Don't know if that means pre or post World Cup. Genoa reportedly accepted a $6 million offer from TFC yesterday. Gasperini made a comment about not wanting Gila to leave, saying Toronto is too cold.

Heard today from an Italian journo friend of mine that Gilardino put pen to paper on a $3 million a year offer. Not confirmed yet, but he was the one who tipped me off about Genoa and about Quagliarella so I figured it was worth a tweet.

Any clue whether comments that Defoe was only going to be a second choice if Gilardino didn't sign (and thus, won't be coming now that GIlardino has signed) are true?

I really hope we get Defoe too.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 06:40 PM
Good enough for me.

DEPLOY THE ROLLER BLADERS!!!

Haddy
11-04-2013, 06:41 PM
Good enough for me.

DEPLOY THE ROLLER BLADERS!!!

:scarf:

ArmenJBX
11-04-2013, 06:43 PM
Any clue whether comments that Defoe was only going to be a second choice if Gilardino didn't sign (and thus, won't be coming now that GIlardino has signed) are true?

I really hope we get Defoe too.

I read that, too. It's possible, though, if TFC is going for two strikers, both are different enough to be considered under different yet equal deals. I wouldn't put one over the other in terms of priority.

And, just my opinion, I don't think Defoe will sign unless he wants to do Ryan Nelsen a favour or if David Beckham bends his ear. Defoe can find playing time in England, I think. I have a hunch that it will be Gila + another, new target, but that's just my thinking.

TFC/Everton
11-04-2013, 06:46 PM
Bringing in Gilardino at 31 has to be one of the biggest signings in MLS history. The guy has 160+ goals in Series A and won the world cup in 2006.

He has some good years left in those legs and I CANT WAIT to see him score some goals for TFC.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 06:54 PM
#GilardinoWatch

Detroit_TFC
11-04-2013, 07:02 PM
Not going to get my hopes up, but one or both of Gilardino and Quagliarella is very appealing.

Haddy
11-04-2013, 07:16 PM
I read that, too. It's possible, though, if TFC is going for two strikers, both are different enough to be considered under different yet equal deals. I wouldn't put one over the other in terms of priority.

And, just my opinion, I don't think Defoe will sign unless he wants to do Ryan Nelsen a favour or if David Beckham bends his ear. Defoe can find playing time in England, I think. I have a hunch that it will be Gila + another, new target, but that's just my thinking.

Or his old captain Robbie Keane makes a convincing call. Who knows.

I'm still quite curious as to who the 'other' targets on their list are. Only three names so far...

Ivy
11-04-2013, 07:18 PM
If you were to beg some people on this forum, they may know more names :)

Yohan
11-04-2013, 07:26 PM
until I see the player with a jersey up, nothing is true!

pdubs
11-04-2013, 07:31 PM
we all remember the Tal Ben "one of the best defenders in the last ten years." Haim announcement and then four day later retraction.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 07:33 PM
we all remember the Tal Ben "one of the best defenders in the last ten years." Haim


No idea what youre talking about. sorry. :)

TFC/Everton
11-04-2013, 07:35 PM
Cristina Tenaglia ‏@cristina_CP24 (https://twitter.com/cristina_CP24)7m (https://twitter.com/cristina_CP24/status/397521595628924928)
MLSE boss Tim Leiweke tells me @Drake (https://twitter.com/Drake) is helping MLSE score a top soccer star for Toronto FC, soccer star is a Drake fan #drizzy (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23drizzy&src=hash)

Must bee using Drake to help us get Defoe.

pdubs
11-04-2013, 07:36 PM
Cristina Tenaglia ‏@cristina_CP24 (https://twitter.com/cristina_CP24)7m (https://twitter.com/cristina_CP24/status/397521595628924928)
MLSE boss Tim Leiweke tells me @Drake (https://twitter.com/Drake) is helping MLSE score a top soccer star for Toronto FC, soccer star is a Drake fan #drizzy (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23drizzy&src=hash)

Must bee using Drake to help us get Defoe.

ok this is getting a little bit out of hand lol

mowe
11-04-2013, 07:37 PM
Wishful thinking? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01483/drake-balotelli-53_1483368a.jpg

pdubs
11-04-2013, 07:39 PM
or http://www.africahit.com/news/images/articles/2012_04/6760/u1_drake.jpg

drogba baby write it down

Ivy
11-04-2013, 07:42 PM
Cristina Tenaglia ‏@cristina_CP24 (https://twitter.com/cristina_CP24)7m (https://twitter.com/cristina_CP24/status/397521595628924928)
MLSE boss Tim Leiweke tells me @Drake (https://twitter.com/Drake) is helping MLSE score a top soccer star for Toronto FC, soccer star is a Drake fan #drizzy (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23drizzy&src=hash)

Must bee using Drake to help us get Defoe.

Is this club SERIOUSLY attracting professional players by dangling drizzy in front of them?
Somebody...put me out of my misery... please.

TFC/Everton
11-04-2013, 07:42 PM
wishful thinking? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01483/drake-balotelli-53_1483368a.jpg

hahahahaha

Ivy
11-04-2013, 07:42 PM
Wishful thinking? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01483/drake-balotelli-53_1483368a.jpg
This picture is so wrong... WTF is Mario holding in his hand???!?!?!?

TFC/Everton
11-04-2013, 07:45 PM
This is the connection: http://madnewsuk.com/2012/03/29/pic-of-the-day-jermain-defoe-and-friends-party-with-drake-at-aura/

SKB
11-04-2013, 07:53 PM
Keep Morgan as depth RB, and bring in a new one. Find another CB that can come in for 1-2 seasons (at which time Agboss, and Henry will be ready). Bring in a skilled AM, add on the DP strikers, and the team is looking solid. So overall, we need 5 pieces this window in order to really show improvement.

CB, RB, AM, ST, ST

Shouldn't be too hard to find a good AM or RB to come in, but it does seem harder to find good CB's for a reasonable price. Hopefully we can find another Caldwell.

Yes, agreed if we get this then we have the base to be competitive every match and then it is up to the coach to mold them into a team.

Richard
11-04-2013, 07:57 PM
Wishful thinking? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01483/drake-balotelli-53_1483368a.jpg

OMG.

I swear Balotelli and TFC are a match made in heaven, if would be fucking epic.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 07:59 PM
Will TFC have to hire a Toronto police cop to follow Balotelli around? I dont think his Italian police escort will come.

Alonso
11-04-2013, 08:03 PM
until I see the player with a jersey up, nothing is true!


Pictures.



... Or it didn't happen.

Milanista
11-04-2013, 08:05 PM
Balo is gonna be a Milanista for a long time lol.

Anyways, Gila (given service) will score more goals than Defoe...But i think both of them would actually do well together, still need that pure AM who can feed them. Still think Quag's is the best player out of the 3.

Marc"2L"
11-04-2013, 08:19 PM
Drake and Mario are friends

Defoe, I think, is a fan.

Mario will come another day

Ivy
11-04-2013, 08:26 PM
http://static03.mediaite.com/sportsgrid/uploads/2013/06/0621-miami-heat-party-02-480w.jpg
Peter Crouch is a fan too

Detroit_TFC
11-04-2013, 08:26 PM
Pop culture TFC eruption - my evening is complete.

Pint
11-04-2013, 08:28 PM
No are we actively using Drake... or are we using every asset we have and that includes drake.

Joe Kool
11-04-2013, 08:36 PM
or http://www.africahit.com/news/images/articles/2012_04/6760/u1_drake.jpg

drogba baby write it down

Yeah baby...been cheering for him for years so why not in TFC red.

Detroit_TFC
11-04-2013, 08:36 PM
No are we actively using Drake... or are we using every asset we have and that includes drake. The latter, there has been some suggestions that big wheels like Beckham might have been contacting players on behalf of TL, so this would be in line with that.

OgtheDim
11-04-2013, 08:43 PM
A few people have suggested that Drake might be aiming to get the Tannenbaum % of MLSE.

Marc"2L"
11-04-2013, 08:56 PM
A few people have suggested that Drake might be aiming to get the Tannenbaum % of MLSE.

Ill refrain from any negative talk surrounding Mr Graham until this is all over.

Until then, please "Drake", carry on and woo some folks over.
What's the over under on him knowing what the expansion will look like, or at least the details...

p.s. I'll paint your f5 key TFC red with a nice T on the front if you send it to me, I'm building a detox plan to keep me busy and away from this thread.

JuliquE
11-04-2013, 09:30 PM
This picture is so wrong... WTF is Mario holding in his hand???!?!?!?
It's obviously a firecracker.

Also:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jnaBIJh9DS0/UkdcJ03wJcI/AAAAAAAAX9Y/F3PuA4UscBA/s1600/nanai.jpg


LAUL:

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01230/SNF15BIZ_02_1230458a.jpg


Maybe he's bringing back Cordon/Emery:

http://ioneglobalgrind.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/2lxtnhd.jpg?w=660


Here's a bunch of footballers of whom were in attendance for one of his tour dates in England, back in 2012:

http://www.kickette.com/room-for-improvement-ballers-wags-at-the-drake-concert/

Richard
11-04-2013, 09:47 PM
Hey, I didn't start it.

http://media-cache-cd0.pinimg.com/originals/b3/82/ff/b382ff64371859fa91b2340ec05bc537.jpg

Haddy
11-04-2013, 09:52 PM
I think the real question is "Does Drake really like all those players or does he just want all the free team gear?"

What a mooch.

flamehawk
11-04-2013, 10:00 PM
or http://www.africahit.com/news/images/articles/2012_04/6760/u1_drake.jpg

drogba baby write it down

Man, I'd retract all my negativity around Drake Brand Ambassador if this happened.

Ivy
11-04-2013, 10:11 PM
Drizzy should be our GM - the dude can build a nice roster: Rio, Lamps, Drogba, Nani, Balotelli, Terry, Defoe, Labrone James, and Cordon

Ivy
11-04-2013, 10:14 PM
And that does not look like a firecracker what Mario is holding. It looks like a giant pink dildo... Or a flare... Both of which are a no no.

Burning Red
11-04-2013, 11:48 PM
I like how this is shaping up so far, but again, I wont believe anything until I see a press conference.

I agree that the supporting cast that we bring in will be as important as the DPs. I want to see another CB, an attacking mid of high quality, maybe a better LB and/or RB the 2 forwards etc... etc... I just don't know if I see us making the playoffs with out reinforcing our back line even more.

If Earnshaw does stick around (an I hope he does) we could have a really sick core of forwards with Dike and the two DP's. Add Wiedeman in there for depth and we could be looking good. Keep Welschman and promote some of the more talented kids to pro contracts as depth and get them learning from the best right away. I would also add that we should be looking for another high quality winger to go with Rey and Convey. Having 3 good ones will be necessary in order to ensure quality service for the front line. Get two new wingers if we get rid of Reggie Lamb. Having a core of 4 good wingers and 3 AMs will be key if we are serious about making a playoff push, especially when we know that injuries will kick in at some point. Simeon Jackson might be a good option to bring in as a winger. He seems to be on the outs with his German club and he can deliver some dangerous crosses sometimes.

cincy
11-05-2013, 06:46 AM
Drake does work for MLSE

Waggy
11-05-2013, 07:53 AM
And that does not look like a firecracker what Mario is holding. It looks like a giant pink dildo... Or a flare... Both of which are a no no.

Could be the stem of a bong

Red Skies At Night
11-05-2013, 08:47 AM
Defoe is making noises about how he regrets leaving west ham. Since west ham are in need of a striker, and Defoe is in need of a new club, I think he is putting himself out there for a transfer to west ham. Makes me think that coming to MLS is not high on his list of choices. However, I doubt Defoe is tall enough for Sam Allardyce, so don't think that transfer will happen. But someone over there will want him.
Therefore I think Defoe is unlikely to be in TFC red any time soon.

burlington Red
11-05-2013, 09:28 AM
Defoe is making noises about how he regrets leaving west ham. Since west ham are in need of a striker, and Defoe is in need of a new club, I think he is putting himself out there for a transfer to west ham. Makes me think that coming to MLS is not high on his list of choices. However, I doubt Defoe is tall enough for Sam Allardyce, so don't think that transfer will happen. But someone over there will want him.
Therefore I think Defoe is unlikely to be in TFC red any time soon.

I thought the same thing when I read that on bbc website this morning. The only advantage we'd have at this stage is money, no chance West Ham can offer what we reportedly have been offering. But perhaps the chance to stay in London and continue to play in PL is a bigger attraction for him. When Carroll gets fit again, it would be a typical Big Sam front 2, tall target man with small pacy goal scorer

WestStandGeoff
11-05-2013, 09:36 AM
This picture is so wrong... WTF is Mario holding in his hand???!?!?!?


And that does not look like a firecracker what Mario is holding. It looks like a giant pink dildo... Or a flare... Both of which are a no no.


Could be the stem of a bong


Close, looks like the mouthpiece of a hookah pipe.



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sjCIELkzzQM/Tk_WW6cxHUI/AAAAAAAAAEk/IB887ZdDXSI/s1600/how_a_hookah_works.gif

lanarkist
11-05-2013, 09:41 AM
I'm not sure whether I would credit Drake or Leiweke more, but this isn't the first of it's kind. Whether it's underrated intelligence of guys like Drake or Jay-Z or just excellent management behind the scenes, there is no question in my mind that if you can make it work, it is a brilliant strategy to use these guys to lure in talent. I'm not saying every athlete has Drake or Jay-Z on their ipods, but I'm willing to speculate that it's very high. Athletes might not worship musicians the same as Joe public does, but it's still significant.

Look at what Jay-Z's involvement with the Nets has done to turn that laughing stock of a franchise around. I have no doubt either that's what TL sees in Drake, or the value Drake sees in adding it to his overall brand and thus getting involved (I'd guess it's somewhere in the middle). That said, whether you like it or not, there is an insane amount of value of luring these guys out in front of these athletes, far more so than using Dallas Green, Jared Leto or the Mumfords.

Drizzy for Mayor if this works.

ArmenJBX
11-05-2013, 09:57 AM
So...um, some confirmation of my report yesterday.

http://tinyurl.com/l9324n6 (http://t.co/44qjpnWfYu)

Says Gilardino has accepted a $6 million move to, well, Torino.

I suspect it's a case of broken telephone, since $6 million was Toronto's offer. In either case, it looks like Gilardino has agreed to move to a TFC! :D

JuliquE
11-05-2013, 10:07 AM
So...um, some confirmation of my report yesterday.

http://tinyurl.com/l9324n6 (http://t.co/44qjpnWfYu)

Says Gilardino has accepted a $6 million move to, well, Torino.

I suspect it's a case of broken telephone, since $6 million was Toronto's offer. In either case, it looks like Gilardino has agreed to move to a TFC! :D
Is that extra "a" in there to make it read like an Italian accent? If yes, then well played. LAUL

Realizing, just now, that it meant to one or the other. hah

Canary10
11-05-2013, 10:17 AM
Gilardino and Defoe would be an interesting and probably really effective pairing. Gilardino the target man and Defoe with his ability to drop deep and collect balls, good passing and good shooter from outside the box. They're very complementary players. I could see Nelsen going back to a 4-4-1-1 with them in the line up.

Ivy
11-05-2013, 10:31 AM
So...um, some confirmation of my report yesterday.

http://tinyurl.com/l9324n6 (http://t.co/44qjpnWfYu)

Says Gilardino has accepted a $6 million move to, well, Torino.

I suspect it's a case of broken telephone, since $6 million was Toronto's offer. In either case, it looks like Gilardino has agreed to move to a TFC! :D
I'm confused...
wasnt the offer 7.4million transfer fee, then like 8.8 or something for 3 years? Where do the 6 come from? Is that the transfer fee? If it is, why is Gilardino the one accepting the transfer fee?
Im so lost...

ArmenJBX
11-05-2013, 10:36 AM
I think it was just the way it was written. Toronto reportedly made a $6 million offer to Genoa for Gilardino, which Gilardino accepted (for Torino, according to that site, but I believe that to be a mistake). They're saying Gilardino has accepted a $6 million offer, not that he is taking a $6 million salary.

Just like Gareth Bale, who accepted a $100 million + offer, doesn't mean he's being paid $100 million +.

Ivy
11-05-2013, 10:40 AM
I think it was just the way it was written. Toronto reportedly made a $6 million offer to Genoa for Gilardino, which Gilardino accepted (for Torino, according to that site, but I believe that to be a mistake). They're saying Gilardino has accepted a $6 million offer, not that he is taking a $6 million salary.

Just like Gareth Bale, who accepted a $100 million + offer, doesn't mean he's being paid $100 million +.
No I get that, but Gila isn't the one that should be accepting or rejecting the transfer fee - it's suppose to be Genoa.

brad
11-05-2013, 11:00 AM
Drogba a target apparantly:
http://mlstransfers.blogspot.ca/2013/11/toronto-fc-targeting-drogba.html?m=1

Pint
11-05-2013, 11:00 AM
@MLSTransfers: New Article: Toronto FC targeted #Drogba #TFC #MLS http://t.co/KBj2eurffp

Maybe this is why drizzy is helping us with.

ManUtd4ever
11-05-2013, 11:14 AM
Never a dull moment during the off season...

Canary10
11-05-2013, 11:24 AM
Never a dull moment during the off season...

Seems to be as many TFC transfer rumours as shocking new allegations about our Mayor.