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[NBF]
10-06-2013, 07:03 PM
Lets face it, the team has NO scouting list or scouts. So why wouldnt they just look at the Canadian National Team set up and look for players that are capable of playing at the MLS level. It would make more sense and give the team an identity finally.

----------------------------Bendik--------------------------
---------------------------Konopka-------------------------
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Hainault----------Jakovic------------Caldwell--------Morgan
------------------Agboss---------------Henry----------Elmer
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Osorio-------------Laba------------Ledgerwood---N.-Farran
-------------------Hall----------------Bekker---------Convey
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---------------------------Cavallini------------------------
-----------------------------Rey---------------------------
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---------------------------Occean-------------------------
----------------------------Haber--------------------------

Any thoughts?

Im assuming that we all know that we need strikers that can dribble the ball with their feet so Dike and Braun would be cut lose. Earnshaw, is not a target man or the striker that he was early in his career.

ag futbol
10-06-2013, 08:10 PM
I don't believe there are any real options there.

- Occean will go to Mtl if he returns to MLS.
- Cavallini would not leave Urguay to come back here. If you ever listen to talk he's already turned down european offers because he believes he's in the best place to develop and he went down there in the first place because he thinks it's better than north america.
- Hainault maybe an option but he won't be cheap. My impression is he's playing in europe because his level as a LB is above what MLS compensates.
- Jakovic has been awful for several consecutive seasons. He is getting occasionally benched on a last place team. If he wants to covert himself to a holding midfielder or similar maybe that's an option, but as a CB he's no longer playing at a starter level in MLS.
- Farran was run out of Australia for being too soft. Considering it's less physical than MLS that doesn't bode particularly well. Backup potential maybe.
- Ledgewood - sort of like Hainault, but I'm not sure how great he'd be in MLS. Doesn't look particularly great for MNT
- Haber - we just picked up Dike... is there any real difference ? or point?

Better idea is going to fish for more players like Osorio, bring them in on minimal money and reap the benefits if they play well. It's a low risk potentially high reward scenario. More of the Uruguay kids, players with TFCA connections, or CSL types.

ensco
10-06-2013, 08:19 PM
This is just rinse and repeat. We had the guts of a CMNT once already (DeGuzman, Dero, Serioux, Gerba, Harmse).

The odds of The Tims going down this road are zero. It's way outside what they know.

Wull
10-06-2013, 08:51 PM
that may be an even worse team than our current one

pdubs
10-06-2013, 08:54 PM
that may be an even worse team than our current one

exactly. ranked 106 in the world, our lowest ever...don't need more of that identity

MartinUtd
10-06-2013, 11:24 PM
I can't get behind this at all. Aside from the fact that the CMNT is playing at a NASL level, Paul Mariner was looking at Ledgerwood but fortunately for us he got shit canned and we picked up Laba instead.

OgtheDim
10-07-2013, 06:02 AM
Rey's not an ACM.

Fort York Redcoat
10-07-2013, 07:55 AM
I have no problem with looking at any Canadian talent but at what price? There's more to it than just signing them. As I've said before elsewhere, elsewhen, Jakovic and Hainault have been approached but cose to stay with more successful teams in MLS and Hainault wouldn't want to play for us anyway.

TFC_Allez
10-07-2013, 08:15 AM
That team looks about as creative and dangerous as a U12 Erin Mills house league team. The only guys I would take from that possible lineup are Occean and Cavalini. I'm sorry guys, and I'm sure I'll take some flack for this but, I'm tired of TFC being the go-to team for Canadian charity cases. The guys listed above may be individually talented, but as a collective group, they've shown they are not capable of winning. As someone mentioned earlier, we're ranked 106th in the world, and there's a reason for that. Our players just are not good enough. I'm at the point where I just want to see a winner at BMO. I don't care where the players come from, just give us a group of hardworking winners.

Chevy
10-07-2013, 08:17 AM
I don't see the club listed above making the MLS playoffs. Sorry, wish it wasn't the case.

EDIT: look at it this way - Eliminate patriotism from the equation and take some players from Iraq and Azerbaijan (#105 and #107 respectively in the FIFA rankings). See if anyone thinks we could make the playoffs with those guys.

TOBOR !
10-07-2013, 09:17 AM
I wouldn't want anyone who was a part of that 8-1 shit-show putting on a TFC kit. Such a gutless performance.

Areathrasher
10-07-2013, 11:11 AM
Better idea is going to fish for more players like Osorio, bring them in on minimal money and reap the benefits if they play well. It's a low risk potentially high reward scenario. More of the Uruguay kids, players with TFCA connections, or CSL types.

Speaking of...

Think TFC makes a play to get Osorio's brother this offseason?

prizby
10-07-2013, 11:24 PM
Speaking of...

Think TFC makes a play to get Osorio's brother this offseason?

which one?

the one with our academy or the one in uruguay? I don't think so...seems like 20-21 was the right age; why rush things; plus the coaches have said it lots of time, we have lots of young players; now we need experienced

Teams like the Sounders are going to have cap issues this off season; think a guy like Steve Zakuani needs a fresh start and he'd look real good coming off the left, in my opinion; also wouldn't mind seeing Marc Burch here; he can play LB/LW and is less expensive and isn't an international like Elmer.

colman1860
10-08-2013, 04:12 AM
Drafting Bekker and Welshman worked really well. I think we should definitely limit ourselves to Canadian players!

Fort York Redcoat
10-08-2013, 07:41 AM
look at it this way - Eliminate patriotism from the equation

Nope. Never.


But it doesn't have to hurt the club side. Too many think it's one or the other.

Canary10
10-08-2013, 08:43 AM
Instead of focusing on Canadian players, what 7 current MLSers would make this a quality team. Ones we could realistically pick up in a trade (like Zakuani). That's a more interesting discussion to me.

David_Oliveira
10-08-2013, 10:18 AM
What do you guys think of picking up Will Bruin or a Jack McInerney (just my wishful thinking)? I think they are two proven goal scorers in the league that if I'm not mistaken are domestics. We really need to look within the mls for most of the players. No sense in paying a premium for players or equal or lesser talent just because they are from abroad.

inheavensince07
10-08-2013, 10:23 AM
I would say we make a play for Simeon Jackson .. he is not getting euro action .. full pay just not DP

David_Oliveira
10-08-2013, 10:29 AM
Also, go after zach loyd from fc dallas. At 74k he wouldn't be a bad rb option

Also going after tony cascio at Lm might not be a bad idea. He's on 44k and has boatloads of potential

ag futbol
10-08-2013, 10:51 AM
^ Does Tony Cassio factor into Colorado's plans though? It might be hard to get them to part with him. I agree he's a good player though.

Yohan
10-08-2013, 11:41 AM
^ Does Tony Cassio factor into Colorado's plans though? It might be hard to get them to part with him. I agree he's a good player though.
Injury problems limited his mins, and Colorado is suddenly stacked with CMs. Cassio might be available, though the price might be steep

David_Oliveira
10-08-2013, 12:22 PM
What about Kelyn Rowe of the Revs? a solid, young RM. I know that these options I've given might be a little bit of wishful thinking but I'm just trying to show how there is good domestic talent within the MLS.

Yohan
10-08-2013, 12:24 PM
What about Kelyn Rowe of the Revs? a solid, young RM. I know that these options I've given might be a little bit of wishful thinking but I'm just trying to show how there is good domestic talent within the MLS.
Rowe is a AM/CM and he's almost untouchable with Revs. He has potential to be just as good Graham Zusi

David_Oliveira
10-08-2013, 12:28 PM
Dammit. you're right. He has spent time on the wings during games. I remember seeing the NY vs NE game and for a good 15-20 minutes it seemed he was going down that wing.

ag futbol
10-08-2013, 01:03 PM
I think you have the right idea. You never know who another club might cough up in their quest to manage their budget. Look at all the players that left RSL last year and went other places within the league.

TFC needs more solid domestic players.

Carts
10-08-2013, 01:47 PM
7 people that could change TFC:

GOD - he can do anything!

JESUS - son of a guy that can do anything!

SATAN - sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty out there!

PRINCE ALWALEED BIN TAL ASLAUD - he's worth 20-times what all of MLSE is worth! (Can you say 3 big name DP's! Plus we have GOD!)

CARLOS BRITO - CEO of the Largest Brewing Company in the world (Only signed if $1 beers is agreed to since free is against Ontario law)

DAN MEIS - world famous stadium architect. Him & Aslaud's money will make BMO a palace!

KORTNEY KANE - everyone loves porn stars, and she'll bring friends!

End.

Yohan
10-08-2013, 05:36 PM
My list of players TFC should be targeting. Criteria are, not an untouchable by current team, salary relative to value, production, and my own random gut feeling. Basically a player that I think TFC has high chance of getting, if the price and circumstances are right. Base salary listed

Austin Berry, 25, CB, CHI, 63k
-Fire supporters will scream bloody murder if Berry gets traded, but probably best production for money value defender. Does everything relatively well, and gets unnoticed. One of those unsung heroes that you can build a team around.

Tristian Bowen, 22, ST, CHV, 125k
-Former Galaxy youth academy player who is only 5'11, but strong like an ox and a handful. Game is similar to Bright Dike's. Still growing into the game, but I can see him having a breakout season sooner than later.

Josh Williams, 25, LB, CLB, 52k
-Big fullback who can take free kicks, and also a threat during set pieces. Nothing fancy in his game, but one of those cheap, solid American FBs you need for depth.

Martin Rivero, 23, AM/CM, COL, 75k
-A playmaker who suffered a long term injury and came back to find his spot have been taken over and hard breaking back into stacked Colorado midfield. 8 assists last year. He can pass the ball.

Walker Zimmerman, 20, CB, DAL, 75k
-Tall CB who was projected to be a top 3 pick in 2013 draft, but ended up bit later. Couldn't break into stacked Dallas CB corps, and found game mins limited and may want to go someplace where he can get regular mins. (He's like 4th or 5th on depth chart) He'd be a starter for TFC, and IIRC, still on GA contract.

Chris Korb, 25, RB, DCU, 50k
-Wouldn't be a starter on most MLS teams, but he's another one of those decent depth American FBs that every team can use. (He was starter for DCU most of 2013)

Jason Johnson, 22, ST, HOU, 70k
-Pacey Jamaican international who is starting to get used to MLS. Seemed to have learned work ethic, and now developing some finishing to go along.

Teal Bunbury, 23, ST, SKC, 110k
-As much as I despise him, and I highly doubt he'll play for a Canadian team, but Bunbury is coming off a major injury, and he's 4th in SKC striker depth chart. If he's got any chance of reaching the potential that he showed before his ACL injury, he'd be worth a shot.

Kofi Opare, 22, CB, LAG, 35k
-If Bruce Arena thinks you're good enough to play CB for him during some big games, then you must have some game. (I'd love to get either McBean or Villareal from LA...)

Andrew Wenger, 22, ST, MTL, 120k
-A player that Montreal can't make up their mind where to play, and after 2 seasons, patience might be running out. Can play practically every position, but I'd try him as 2nd striker in supporting role.

Juan Toja, 28, AM/LW, NER, 275k
-Was a stud with Dallas, European stint didn't work out and now can't break into NE setup. A creative attacking midfielder who can play left winger, if he ever recaptures the form he had with Dallas, he'd be worth every penny, and he's still young enough.

Connor Lade, 23, RM/RB, NYRB, 55k
-Had an outstanding rookie season but suffered a major injury and now coming back. Speedy on flanks.

Roger Torres, 22, AM, PHI, 122k
-One dimensional young attacking midfielder who can't get mins because Hackworth wants box to box mids. Wait, so does Nelsen... Well, he's got flair to boot and can pass the ball.

David Horst, 27, CB, POR, 70k
-Big centre back who is coming back from major injury, and for sure next season, Portland will be getting rid of some of their excess CBs. (6 good CBs on books) Think slightly more mobile and tough, and more skilled version of Andy Boyens. Good for depth

Robbie Findley, 28, ST, RSL, 175k
-Former US int who has pace. Got enough starter mins with RSL, but haven't found the same level of mojo before he moved to England. With the rise of Sandoval and Plata, Kreis (if he sticks around) may think Findley is a luxury that he can't afford.

Eriq Zavaleta, 21, ST, SEA, 65k
-Was on loan with NASL San Antonio where he did well apparently. Can't see him breaking in as a striker in a stacked Sounders offence. He can also play CB and may have better chance there, but either way, if he wants game mins, he'll have to look elsewhere. A GA player.

Nana Attakora, 24, CB/RB, SJ, 62k
-Time to come home, prodigal son. Had a terrible season with SJ where injuries and depth meant he didn't get mins. Plus taking up an int spot, I suspect SJ will rather keep Ty Harden than Attakora.

Darren Mattocks, 23, ST, VAN, 120k
-He's a prick, and I'll never forgive him for celebrating his goal in front of 112. But he's got pace to burn and just enough finishing to wonder if he can bust out of sophomore slump he had. Certain Caps supporters seemed to have run out of patience with him. And if he still counts as GA in 2014, even better.

Alonso
10-08-2013, 05:57 PM
My list of players TFC should be targeting. Criteria are, not an untouchable by current team, salary relative to value, production, and my own random gut feeling. Basically a player that I think TFC has high chance of getting, if the price and circumstances are right. Base salary listed

Austin Berry, 25, CB, CHI, 63k
-Fire supporters will scream bloody murder if Berry gets traded, but probably best production for money value defender. Does everything relatively well, and gets unnoticed. One of those unsung heroes that you can build a team around.

Tristian Bowen, 22, ST, CHV, 125k
-Former Galaxy youth academy player who is only 5'11, but strong like an ox and a handful. Game is similar to Bright Dike's. Still growing into the game, but I can see him having a breakout season sooner than later.

Josh Williams, 25, LB, CLB, 52k
-Big fullback who can take free kicks, and also a threat during set pieces. Nothing fancy in his game, but one of those cheap, solid American FBs you need for depth.

Martin Rivero, 23, AM/CM, COL, 75k
-A playmaker who suffered a long term injury and came back to find his spot have been taken over and hard breaking back into stacked Colorado midfield. 8 assists last year. He can pass the ball.

Walker Zimmerman, 20, CB, DAL, 75k
-Tall CB who was projected to be a top 3 pick in 2013 draft, but ended up bit later. Couldn't break into stacked Dallas CB corps, and found game mins limited and may want to go someplace where he can get regular mins. (He's like 4th or 5th on depth chart) He'd be a starter for TFC, and IIRC, still on GA contract.

Chris Korb, 25, RB, DCU, 50k
-Wouldn't be a starter on most MLS teams, but he's another one of those decent depth American FBs that every team can use. (He was starter for DCU most of 2013)

Jason Johnson, 22, ST, HOU, 70k
-Pacey Jamaican international who is starting to get used to MLS. Seemed to have learned work ethic, and now developing some finishing to go along.

Teal Bunbury, 23, ST, SKC, 110k
-As much as I despise him, and I highly doubt he'll play for a Canadian team, but Bunbury is coming off a major injury, and he's 4th in SKC striker depth chart. If he's got any chance of reaching the potential that he showed before his ACL injury, he'd be worth a shot.

Kofi Opare, 22, CB, LAG, 35k
-If Bruce Arena thinks you're good enough to play CB for him during some big games, then you must have some game. (I'd love to get either McBean or Villareal from LA...)

Andrew Wenger, 22, ST, MTL, 120k
-A player that Montreal can't make up their mind where to play, and after 2 seasons, patience might be running out. Can play practically every position, but I'd try him as 2nd striker in supporting role.

Juan Toja, 28, AM/LW, NER, 275k
-Was a stud with Dallas, European stint didn't work out and now can't break into NE setup. A creative attacking midfielder who can play left winger, if he ever recaptures the form he had with Dallas, he'd be worth every penny, and he's still young enough.

Connor Lade, 23, RM/RB, NYRB, 55k
-Had an outstanding rookie season but suffered a major injury and now coming back. Speedy on flanks.

Roger Torres, 22, AM, PHI, 122k
-One dimensional young attacking midfielder who can't get mins because Hackworth wants box to box mids. Wait, so does Nelsen... Well, he's got flair to boot and can pass the ball.

David Horst, 27, CB, POR, 70k
-Big centre back who is coming back from major injury, and for sure next season, Portland will be getting rid of some of their excess CBs. (6 good CBs on books) Think slightly more mobile and tough, and more skilled version of Andy Boyens. Good for depth

Robbie Findley, 28, ST, RSL, 175k
-Former US int who has pace. Got enough starter mins with RSL, but haven't found the same level of mojo before he moved to England. With the rise of Sandoval and Plata, Kreis (if he sticks around) may think Findley is a luxury that he can't afford.

Eriq Zavaleta, 21, ST, SEA, 65k
-Was on loan with NASL San Antonio where he did well apparently. Can't see him breaking in as a striker in a stacked Sounders offence. He can also play CB and may have better chance there, but either way, if he wants game mins, he'll have to look elsewhere. A GA player.

Nana Attakora, 24, CB/RB, SJ, 62k
-Time to come home, prodigal son. Had a terrible season with SJ where injuries and depth meant he didn't get mins. Plus taking up an int spot, I suspect SJ will rather keep Ty Harden than Attakora.

Darren Mattocks, 23, ST, VAN, 120k
-He's a prick, and I'll never forgive him for celebrating his goal in front of 112. But he's got pace to burn and just enough finishing to wonder if he can bust out of sophomore slump he had. Certain Caps supporters seemed to have run out of patience with him. And if he still counts as GA in 2014, even better.


I like.


Personally in order of want: (There is some decent talent here on low pay)

Mattocks
Bunbury
Zimmerman
Williams
Attakora

Yohan
10-08-2013, 06:26 PM
And player I want the most from each team, but TFC has zero shot of getting them.

Mike Magee, 29, ST/LW, CHI
-Was one of most consistent players for Bruce Arena, and now is carrying Chicago fire on his back. Ridiculous breakout season.

Dan Kennedy, 31, GK, CHV
-One of players that still gives a damn in Chivas USA. Unnatural shot stopper who can save you points, and IMO should be in USMNT pool

Federico Higuain, 28, AM/CF, CLB
-Cerebral playmaker when on top of his game, will dominate like no other. He operates on another level than most MLS players.

Chris Klute, 23, LB, COL
-Colorado has slew of rookies who are good, but I want Klute who is playing like he belongs in elite level of MLS. He can cross and join the attack with his overlapping runs.

Blas Perez, 32, ST, DAL
-Tough target striker who has knack for goals.

Perry Kitchen, 21, DM, DCU
-One of best DM prospects in MLS. If he keeps developing like he is right now, he'll be just as good as Kyle Beckerman

Brad Davis, 31, LW, HOU
-Best left midfielder in MLS. Don't have the pace, but he has the vision to pick out passes, and his set piece delivery is lethal.

Graham Zusi, 27, AM/CM/RW, SKC
-He makes SKC offence go and from multiple positions, making it hard to mark him. Good passer and set piece specialist.

Omar Gonzalez, 24, CB, LAG
-A monster in the backline and rarely beaten in the air. A starter for USMNT, and if he goes down, LA is so vulnerable.

Felipe Martins, 23, AM/CM, MTL
-Bernier and di Vaio will leave Mtl sooner or later, but Martins will still be running the Montreal offence. Silky playmaker who can make a pass.

Diego Fagundez, 18, RM, NER
-Best young player in MLS right now. Not only he can pass and cross, but he knows where to be at the right position at the right time for his goals. At this rate, Europe will be calling him very soon.

Tim Cahill, 33, AM, NYRB
-Had a bit of rough start to his MLS career, but now is just as important offensively as Henry at NY. Ridiculous heading ability and knack for scoring goals as a midfielder. Henry may be the captain, but I suspect Cahill is the one who keeps the locker room together, as evident by NY's Supporter's Shield run

Amobi Okugo, 22, CB/DM, PHI
-Converted DM who plays CB. Good CB who is comfortable with ball at feet. May eventually be a USMNT mainstay.

Darlington Nagbe, 23, AM, POR
-Has a knack for scoring spectacular goals. Attacking midfielder who is technically good and cause havoc in opposition defence. Will Johnson is the heart and soul of Portland and Valeri is the playmaker, but Nagbe is the dangerous weapon.

Alvaro Saborio, 31, ST, RSL
-Everything RSL does essentially boil down into getting Saborio the ball. Lethal finisher with both feet and head, he's worth every penny as a DP.

Brad Evans, 28. AM/CM/RB, SEA
-Despite all the good players Seattle has, Evans has been the consistent link between defence and offence. Just solid footballer overall who can play both attacking and defending role, including RB. Has high football IQ and good awareness of what is going on around him. If he had touch bit more skill, he'd be in Europe.

Chris Wondolowski, 30, ST, SJ
-The most lethal poacher in last couple of seasons, although only 9 goals so far this season. He just knows where to be at the right time for all the garbage goal he scores, but he can also finish.

Camilo, 25, ST/LW, VAN
-Having a real breakout season and only reason why the Caps are even close to playoff hunt. He can finish from pretty much anywhere, incl lethal set piece taker.

Initial B
10-08-2013, 10:10 PM
Sorry guys, but no 7 people will change this team. The only way this team will get better is to fire *everyone* - players, supporting staff, front office, management, marketing, etc - and start from scratch. There is simply too much collective memory in the organization to hope that things will improve unless you perform a complete memory wipe / lobotomy.

Fort York Redcoat
10-09-2013, 06:29 AM
Sorry guys, but no 7 people will change this team. The only way this team will get better is to fire *everyone* - players, supporting staff, front office, management, marketing, etc - and start from scratch. There is simply too much collective memory in the organization to hope that things will improve unless you perform a complete memory wipe / lobotomy.

Again? No thanks.

inheavensince07
10-09-2013, 07:36 AM
Sorry guys, but no 7 people will change this team. The only way this team will get better is to fire *everyone* - players, supporting staff, front office, management, marketing, etc - and start from scratch. There is simply too much collective memory in the organization to hope that things will improve unless you perform a complete memory wipe / lobotomy.


I agree there is still one arrogant ass left in the FO that needs to be cleansed .. He has scoffed at what supporters mean since day 1 and you can see how that has gone ..

prizby
10-11-2013, 03:31 PM
bunbury...loool; i'd be booing him every match

Initial B
10-12-2013, 01:26 PM
Again? No thanks.
Not again, what I'm proposing has never been done in the history of the organization. I mean everyone - ticket sellers, beer vendors, technicians, maintenance staff...

Carp. I just realized that would require all the fans/SGs to be fired as well. I guess we're doomed. :(

bman27
10-12-2013, 08:09 PM
Not again, what I'm proposing has never been done in the history of the organization. I mean everyone - ticket sellers, beer vendors, technicians, maintenance staff...

Carp. I just realized that would require all the fans/SGs to be fired as well. I guess we're doomed. :(

Fire everyone for the halibut? seems kind of fishy to me


I'll let myself out.....

Detroit_TFC
10-13-2013, 05:30 PM
I think Yohan has the right idea - target the promising young players who very likely won't see significant minutes next season. Getting a starting spot might be enough (plus cash) to convince them. Even that is a leap of faith. I imagine at this point, there is a real chance that few if any players in the league would willingly consider signing on with TFC.

Fact is we have to get some players and I'm not talking about the pie-in-the-sky players TL thinks he can get by waving a big salary offer in the air.

Yohan
11-13-2013, 07:23 PM
My list of players TFC should be targeting. Criteria are, not an untouchable by current team, salary relative to value, production, and my own random gut feeling. Basically a player that I think TFC has high chance of getting, if the price and circumstances are right. Base salary listed

Roger Torres, 22, AM, PHI, 122k
-One dimensional young attacking midfielder who can't get mins because Hackworth wants box to box mids. Wait, so does Nelsen... Well, he's got flair to boot and can pass the ball.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/11/13/roger-torres-kleberson-unlikely-return-philadelphia-union-next-season

Is going to be available

Ivy
11-13-2013, 08:18 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/11/13/roger-torres-kleberson-unlikely-return-philadelphia-union-next-season

Is going to be available

Why is the Union not resigning him?
I havent seen him play - is he a younger version of Silva?

Yohan
11-13-2013, 08:21 PM
Why is the Union not resigning him?
I havent seen him play - is he a younger version of Silva?
kinda. AM who needs to work on his defensive game and consistency.

Also, John Hackworth is a moron.

jloome
11-13-2013, 08:23 PM
Why is the Union not resigning him?
I havent seen him play - is he a younger version of Silva?

Better than Silva. Good playmaker. Small, so he can be knocked off the ball more easily, but technically savvy making him a card waiting to happen for those who try. He'd be a good pickup for sure.

Detroit_TFC
11-14-2013, 10:36 AM
Sorry guys, but no 7 people will change this team. The only way this team will get better is to fire *everyone* - players, supporting staff, front office, management, marketing, etc - and start from scratch. There is simply too much collective memory in the organization to hope that things will improve unless you perform a complete memory wipe / lobotomy.

There are new owners, a new MLSE president, a new general manager, virtually all the business staff in the FO has turned over. We have been through 6,000 players and 350 coaches (ok, that is an approximate number) in the last 7 years. I'm not sure what else is left to turnover.

prizby
11-14-2013, 11:25 AM
Roger Torres wouldn't fit in the Ryan Nelsen system; good player, but no way he could find a role on a Ryan Nelsen team, in my opinion; if we still had Aron Winter, there could be a role for him

Fort York Redcoat
11-14-2013, 11:52 AM
Not again, what I'm proposing has never been done in the history of the organization. I mean everyone - ticket sellers, beer vendors, technicians, maintenance staff...

Carp. I just realized that would require all the fans/SGs to be fired as well. I guess we're doomed. :(


I don't see the reason why. A warm fuzzy from being untainted by past ticket sellers, beer vendors, technicians, maintenance staff? They are not the priority here.

ag futbol
11-14-2013, 11:52 AM
Roger Torres wouldn't fit in the Ryan Nelsen system; good player, but no way he could find a role on a Ryan Nelsen team, in my opinion; if we still had Aron Winter, there could be a role for him
At first thought I agree with you, no room for AM's in the middle of the field. But as devil's advocate... were those purely Nelsen's tactics or Kevin Payne's? Will Nelsen potentially tweak the formation next year? It's worth asking.

Yohan
11-14-2013, 11:54 AM
At first thought I agree with you, no room for AM's in the middle of the field. But as devil's advocate... were those purely Nelsen's tactics or Kevin Payne's? Will Nelsen potentially tweak the formation next year? It's worth asking.
there is no reason why TFC can't play 4-4-2 diamond either. Laba covers a lot of ground

nonc
11-14-2013, 12:09 PM
Luis Fabiano was an earlier pipe dream of mine, but with the money actually being realistic on TFC's end now... gimme gimme.

prizby
11-14-2013, 03:06 PM
At first thought I agree with you, no room for AM's in the middle of the field. But as devil's advocate... were those purely Nelsen's tactics or Kevin Payne's? Will Nelsen potentially tweak the formation next year? It's worth asking.

Nelsen has said his formation is a by product of the players available to him, but at the same time he had luis silva and never functionally used him properly, in my opinion; If he couldn't find a way to use Silva, how can he find a way to use Torres?

PopePouri
11-14-2013, 03:19 PM
Nelsen has said his formation is a by product of the players available to him, but at the same time he had luis silva and never functionally used him properly, in my opinion; If he couldn't find a way to use Silva, how can he find a way to use Torres?

Silva has it in his mind that he's a good attacking mid because he isn't. With every management he's played under, he's started at CAM and then was moved to striker or on the wing. Happened with Mariner, Winter, Nelsen and at DC.

Canary10
11-14-2013, 03:22 PM
Nelsen has said his formation is a by product of the players available to him, but at the same time he had luis silva and never functionally used him properly, in my opinion; If he couldn't find a way to use Silva, how can he find a way to use Torres?

He did play there in at least one or two games last year. Didn't stay though (like PopePouri said).

Initial B
02-25-2014, 02:39 PM
I just thought I'd ressurect this thread just to see how far we've come. It's amazing how things can change in 4 months...

MartinUtd
02-25-2014, 02:51 PM
The premise of this thread is that we should fill out the ranks with a bunch of shitty domestics. I don't think it was ever feasible and it totally misses the point that TFC is not (no longer) the CNMT charity case.

Fort York Redcoat
02-25-2014, 03:38 PM
The premise of this thread is that we should fill out the ranks with a bunch of shitty domestics. I don't think it was ever feasible and it totally misses the point that TFC is not (no longer) the CNMT charity case.

No it was definitely the intention of the OP to look at National team members. There is no reason to not give Nationals to play at home. It's just a question of who for what?

It should always be attempted to acquire good talent for this team but not at the expense of value.

The past showed spotty sense of value but I don't blame the players Nationality coming from the CMNT.

Can we say it's been exclusively a Canadian Nationality oversight? We've aquired underwhelming players from several different countries. No reason to get self loathing about it.