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notthesun
08-09-2013, 02:44 PM
Sorted by club: http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/August%201,%202013%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

Notables for TFC:

Caldwell: 89,998.98$
Bloom: 46,500$
Brockie: 175,200$
Convey: 215,000$
Elmer: 131,488.20$
Rey: 204,450$
Thomas: 60,713.21$
Aparicio: 35,125$

Areathrasher
08-09-2013, 02:46 PM
Caldwell is a steal

BuSaPuNk
08-09-2013, 02:57 PM
Caldwell just isn't a steal its bloody brilliant. Ill give it to KP that's a great deal. I wonder though how his salary will be in the next 2 years of his contract though. Probably a pretty big bump.

v00d00daddy
08-09-2013, 03:05 PM
I love that Caldwell contract. That's an amazing deal if it's for the whole season. Is the 90k a pro rated salary based on when he came? I have to think it must be. How could they get him on such a low number otherwise?

Areathrasher
08-09-2013, 03:06 PM
Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN 4m (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/KurtLarSUN/status/365925200707063808) Caldwell making just 90k this year according to the union's numbers. Undoubtedly bought down using allocation cash. #TFC (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash)

brad
08-09-2013, 03:07 PM
Speculation on Caldwell is that the salary was paid down with allocation.

Brockie = Chad Barrett 2.0

v00d00daddy
08-09-2013, 03:12 PM
Ahh okay. That makes more sense. Either way. He's certainly worth 150-175k if you ask me. More than that and it gets dicey.

There are a lot of good contracts on our list. I just don't like Convey on 200k+ and Rusell on 100k+.

Other than those it's pretty awesome cap management from Payne. (Assuming Eckersley takes the cut that Nelsesn has hinted about in the past)

Oldtimer
08-09-2013, 03:26 PM
Speculation on Caldwell is that the salary was paid down with allocation.

Brockie = Chad Barrett 2.0

The speculation is wrong.

The MLSPA figures aren't the MLS Cap figures (which can be different), the union gets it from the actual pay stubs.

Red I
08-09-2013, 03:33 PM
How Braun is getting paid double what Weideman is making is beyond me...

notthesun
08-09-2013, 03:51 PM
The speculation is wrong.

The MLSPA figures aren't the MLS Cap figures (which can be different), the union gets it from the actual pay stubs.

Source?

Ivy
08-09-2013, 04:04 PM
I've always wondered how they come up with these numbers... Surely their contract doesn't say XX,XXX.12? Caldwell's salary looks like a price tag at Cadillac... Why not just give him the 1.02 and make it an even 90k?

Phil
08-09-2013, 04:06 PM
Well Brockie leaves soon and a big chunk of Convey is probably picked up by KC.

BritSOL
08-09-2013, 04:12 PM
I was looking at some other teams and thought it interesting that Eric Hassli is now at a base salary of $237,276

Ivy
08-09-2013, 04:21 PM
I was looking at some other teams and thought it interesting that Eric Hassli is now at a base salary of $237,276
Still not worth it... He's a 100k player. Has he scored any goals this year?

Ajax TFC
08-09-2013, 05:15 PM
How on earth is Larson qualified to write about MLS if he doesn't understand that the Union numbers are not the cap hits. The numbers are what the player is paid, not what the cap hit is. All you have to do to figure that one out is look a DP's salary number. Obviously Danny Koevermans doesn't have a $1 250 000 cap hit.

Caldwell's guaranteed compensation is 90k, so that's his max cap hit since there were no transfer fees involved. It's possible though that 90k is the half season salary number if he was signed after a certain date. I have my doubts about that though since we had him on loan before that.

BTW, anyone here who didn't know that already, I'm not raging at you, I'm mad that a supposed soccer annalist (Larson) who's supposed to know this kind of thing, doesn't get that. Mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if he did know that and he's just trying to silence the "Payne's brilliant for pulling that off" crowd. He probably can't accept that Payne was able to get a solid defender at a decent price when his buddy Mariner had to pay more than league maximum to get one, and wanted to use a DP spot on one.

OgtheDim
08-09-2013, 05:38 PM
I am a bit concerned.

Caldwell has what, 3 kids(?) and I doubt his wife is working.

How can he live and be thinking about the future on only 88K a year, in this city?

Like, I know he's Scottish, but can we assume he fits the stereotype of the tight with his money lad?

Does he shop at No-Frills?

Is his family being sent Hampers of kippers and deep fried Mars bars?

Will we be seeing him getting up to Downsview on the subway soon?



Like I'm not suggesting we have a whip around, because at that amount, he's making more then me, but......you can't feed your kids on porridge and fish every day!!!!:shocked::shocked:

trane
08-09-2013, 09:23 PM
These for me are steals


MTL Bernier Patrice F-M $ 143,000.00 $ 162,333.25
MTL Camara Hassoun D/M $ 115,000.00 $ 126,625.00
MTL Ferrari Matteo D $ 240,000.00 $ 295,475.00
MTL Martins Felipe M $ 150,000.00 $ 182,500.00
MTL Nesta Alessandro D $ 260,000.00 $ 305,000.00

NolbertoS
08-09-2013, 10:10 PM
These for me are steals


MTL Bernier Patrice F-M $ 143,000.00 $ 162,333.25
MTL Camara Hassoun D/M $ 115,000.00 $ 126,625.00
MTL Ferrari Matteo D $ 240,000.00 $ 295,475.00
MTL Martins Felipe M $ 150,000.00 $ 182,500.00
MTL Nesta Alessandro D $ 260,000.00 $ 305,000.00

Saputo is a dirty guy. I'm sure he's paying under thr table or using his Italian mafia connections to deposit thr players salaries in Italy through undisclosed business extravagances or something. The entire Montreal team salary smells too fishy to make it work

mowe
08-09-2013, 10:10 PM
Yeah I have to imagine Caldwell was getting way more that in England. Surprising to take a big pay cut just to come here, although there probably will be a bump next year.

TFC good value players:
Joe Bendik 46k
Steven Caldwell 80k/90k
Matias Laba 200k
Jonathan Osorio 46k

Overpaid:
Justin Braun 112k/114k
Richard Eckersley 210k/310k
Darel Russell 100k/110k

Auzzy
08-09-2013, 10:46 PM
I am a bit concerned.

Caldwell has what, 3 kids(?) and I doubt his wife is working.

How can he live and be thinking about the future on only 88K a year, in this city?

Like, I know he's Scottish, but can we assume he fits the stereotype of the tight with his money lad?

Does he shop at No-Frills?

Is his family being sent Hampers of kippers and deep fried Mars bars?

Will we be seeing him getting up to Downsview on the subway soon?

Like I'm not suggesting we have a whip around, because at that amount, he's making more then me, but......you can't feed your kids on porridge and fish every day!!!!:shocked::shocked:

I know yours was a joke, but...

First of all, I wonder if this is his half-year salary, since he was on loan before that and switched status partway through. Would the MLS Players Union know about his previous salary in the UK? Or there may have been some other funny business with his salary while he was on loan.

Secondly, as others have mentioned I'm sure there will be a big jump in his salary next year. Since he's Scottish as you say I'm sure he has some money squirreled away until then.

Thirdly, you can actually live on $88k in Toronto with a family, many people live on much less. Especially as I believe MLS clubs can offer some other benefits outside of salary, like housing allowances. Who knows, maybe MLSE hooked him up with temporary housing for the first year. And nothing wrong with No Frills anyway... ;)

habstfc
08-10-2013, 12:46 AM
I am a bit concerned.

Caldwell has what, 3 kids(?) and I doubt his wife is working.



Like, I know he's Scottish, but can we assume he fits the stereotype of the tight with his money lad?

Does he shop at No-Frills?

Is his family being sent Hampers of kippers and deep fried Mars bars?

Will we be seeing him getting up to Downsview on the subway soon?



Like I'm not suggesting we have a whip around, because at that amount, he's making more then me, but......you can't feed your kids on porridge and fish every day!!!!:shocked::shocked: Probably on about 225k a year. He's not leaving his family behind for that amount of money especially when he had offers back in UK. Must be his pro rated salary since he signed.

sashavukelich
08-10-2013, 09:19 AM
Yeah I have to imagine Caldwell was getting way more that in England. Surprising to take a big pay cut just to come here, although there probably will be a bump next year.

TFC good value players:
Joe Bendik 46k
Steven Caldwell 80k/90k
Matias Laba 200k
Jonathan Osorio 46k

Overpaid:
Justin Braun 112k/114k
Richard Eckersley 210k/310k
Darel Russell 100k/110k


how is Darel Russell overpaid at 100k? that's like a BASIC wage for a player of his experience? Dude is like 31.

Oldtimer
08-10-2013, 11:50 AM
Saputo is a dirty guy. I'm sure he's paying under thr table or using his Italian mafia connections

Although there have been totally unsubstantiated allegations of Mafia connections to the Saputo family in the past, none has ever been proven in court. AFAIK Joey has never been accused of having Mafia connections.

As far as paying players under the table... well that would be very hard to prove.

ag futbol
08-10-2013, 12:04 PM
Although there have been totally unsubstantiated allegations of Mafia connections to the Saputo family in the past, none has ever been proven in court. AFAIK Joey has never been accused of having Mafia connections.

As far as paying players under the table... well that would be very hard to prove.
Meh, if he's getting around the salary cap, good for him. I wish our ownership group would take that sort of attitude towards getting better. There are probably all sorts of loopholes in the rules some teams are willing to exploit.

I doubt Nesta would get out of bed for that 250-300k he's on the books for. Similar to Juninho in LA when he was on a 40k cap hit.

SoccMan2
08-10-2013, 12:22 PM
Hey "NolbertoS" I hear Payne is going to finally tap into MLSE's long standing organized crime connections to try and lure some quality players to TFC. I mean if you think about it how do you think MLSE got so big without having these kind of connections. Lol

trane
08-10-2013, 04:07 PM
Meh, if he's getting around the salary cap, good for him. I wish our ownership group would take that sort of attitude towards getting better. There are probably all sorts of loopholes in the rules some teams are willing to exploit.

I doubt Nesta would get out of bed for that 250-300k he's on the books for. Similar to Juninho in LA when he was on a 40k cap hit.

Exactly.

prizby
08-12-2013, 06:34 AM
Speculation on Caldwell is that the salary was paid down with allocation.

Brockie = Chad Barrett 2.0

you can't pay down one's salary with allocation below 150k

brad
08-12-2013, 10:58 AM
you can't pay down one's salary with allocation below 150k

Good to know - thanks. Makes it a hell of deal at 90k. Wonder how they did that? Back loaded contract (I thought the league looked down on that)? Promise of a non-playing role after retiring?

prizby
08-12-2013, 10:59 AM
Good to know - thanks. Makes it a hell of deal at 90k. Wonder how they did that? Back loaded contract (I thought the league looked down on that)? Promise of a non-playing role after retiring?

living expenses?
appearance fees?
bonuses?

mcolvy
08-12-2013, 12:04 PM
Elmer at 131k... That's a high price for a fullback. I think 100k is the top dollar you should be paying

PopePouri
08-12-2013, 12:11 PM
Reo-Coker is not a DP? Surprising.

brad
08-12-2013, 01:31 PM
living expenses?
appearance fees?
bonuses?

I could see sliding living expenses under the rug (I think teams do provide residences for players), but would app fees or bonuses be allowed? Seems to me that they wouldn't allow those - seems like the easiest way to circumvent the cap.

prizby
08-12-2013, 01:57 PM
I could see sliding living expenses under the rug (I think teams do provide residences for players), but would app fees or bonuses be allowed? Seems to me that they wouldn't allow those - seems like the easiest way to circumvent the cap.

i've heard players for the most part get $1500 a month for room; also heard making public appearances at team sanction events gives them a couple hundred bucks etc..weren't there bonuses for appearing in friendlies and stuff (tfc got fined by mls last year for playing academy kids due to this or something like that)

prizby
08-12-2013, 02:03 PM
Reo-Coker is not a DP? Surprising.

his contract kicks into DP next year

brad
08-12-2013, 02:29 PM
i've heard players for the most part get $1500 a month for room; also heard making public appearances at team sanction events gives them a couple hundred bucks etc..weren't there bonuses for appearing in friendlies and stuff (tfc got fined by mls last year for playing academy kids due to this or something like that)

None of that seems like enough to make up salary for a guy like Caldwell (assume 1500/rent - that's an additional 18k). Throw in a few basic bonuses and say we being generous, that adds up to what, 20-30k over base? That's still a really low salary. A guy like him at his age should be able to pull £300-500/year I'd think in the UK. I'll be keeping my eye on what his salary is next year when the list comes out. Either he is the deal of the century, or something else is going on.

brad
08-12-2013, 02:31 PM
None of that seems like enough to make up salary for a guy like Caldwell (assume 1500/rent - that's an additional 18k). Throw in a few basic bonuses and say we being generous, that adds up to what, 20-30k over base? That's still a really low salary. A guy like him at his age should be able to pull £300-500/year I'd think in the UK. I'll be keeping my eye on what his salary is next year when the list comes out. Either he is the deal of the century, or something else is going on.

Should be 300-500k - can't edit for some reason.

Richard
08-12-2013, 02:58 PM
Should be 300-500k - can't edit for some reason.

It does sound fishy, no way he goes overseas for this type of money. He can easily make 300k on any championship team, he was Birmingham's starting CB too.

brad
08-12-2013, 03:22 PM
It does sound fishy, no way he goes overseas for this type of money. He can easily make 300k on any championship team, he was Birmingham's starting CB too.

A good kind of fishy though. Assuming we don't get hit with a max cap hit next year to balance it out, I say good on Payne and Co. Exploit whatever loopholes you can...

prizby
08-12-2013, 07:22 PM
None of that seems like enough to make up salary for a guy like Caldwell (assume 1500/rent - that's an additional 18k). Throw in a few basic bonuses and say we being generous, that adds up to what, 20-30k over base? That's still a really low salary. A guy like him at his age should be able to pull £300-500/year I'd think in the UK. I'll be keeping my eye on what his salary is next year when the list comes out. Either he is the deal of the century, or something else is going on.

oh, I don't disagree with you at all; just think he has some sort of proper incentive; might be a bit different with him bringing his family over as well; think its case by case

Yohan
08-14-2013, 07:02 AM
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/13/mls-player-salaries-analysis-charts-and-tables/

Analysis of MLS salaries

__wowza
08-14-2013, 01:29 PM
really good breakdown of the visual salaries:
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/MLSPost-DempseySalaries/MLSPUDashboard?:embed=y&:display_count=no

brad
08-14-2013, 02:27 PM
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/13/mls-player-salaries-analysis-charts-and-tables/

Analysis of MLS salaries


really good breakdown of the visual salaries:
http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/MLSPost-DempseySalaries/MLSPUDashboard?:embed=y&:display_count=no

Great links - thanks.

Take Kovermans out, and we are second lowest I believe.

The visual one is crazy for LA, NY and Seattle. The wage disparity smacks you in the face when you see it like that.

trane
08-14-2013, 03:07 PM
The chart really exposes us for being poor spenders.

Yohan
08-15-2013, 08:19 AM
Elmer at 131k... That's a high price for a fullback. I think 100k is the top dollar you should be paying
150k is what you're looking for a starter wage, pretty much in any position