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Yohan
06-29-2013, 08:03 PM
401 derby continues...

Montreal is the best team in Eastern Conference, but gave up 3 goals in their last game vs Colorado at the Cheese Factory. And old man di Vaio played 90mins. And Limp Act gave up a late goal in their 4-3 loss

Let's hope the lads remember the embarrassment that was their last game vs the Limp Act and get the result. Revenge! (though I bet Schallibaum lit a fire on Montreal's ass)

QBall
06-29-2013, 09:07 PM
I try and remain positive but I'm not getting any good vibes on this one. Might need to open a bottle of something to make it through 90 minutes. Just come away with a point and I'll be happy.

moralis
06-29-2013, 10:02 PM
This Montreal Impact fan is a sick fucker:

Told Davy Arnaud's family to die in a fire

Sean Barbosa ‏@SBarbosa17 (https://twitter.com/SBarbosa17) 1h (https://twitter.com/SBarbosa17/status/351143658701074432) @d_arnaud22 (https://twitter.com/d_arnaud22) I hope your family dies in a fire

https://twitter.com/SBarbosa17/status/351143658701074432

Yagbod
06-29-2013, 10:28 PM
^ I fail to see the relevance of this sick fuck to anything, especially this thread.

TorontoGooner
06-29-2013, 11:05 PM
^ I fail to see the relevance of this sick fuck to anything, especially this thread.

Because we are playing Montreal, and they are twats

Leedsoronto
06-30-2013, 11:10 AM
I take a tie now!!!!!

Never in a million years will this be a scoreless game so I think a 1-1 or 2-2 would be the best possible result on the day.

We need to practice practice and practice kicking the ball twd the net on Tuesday at KTG, and we will be ready :@)

Yohan
07-02-2013, 11:33 AM
-----------Bendik
-Richter-Boss-Caldwell-ODea
Lambe-Laba-Hall-Convey
---Koevermans-Brockie

Initial B
07-02-2013, 12:00 PM
Montreal will win 2-1, because:

1) They are due to win on our home field,
2) A win removes the last thing we can point out to them that we are superior at, and
3) Ensures that we fans remain miserable this season.

Fort York Redcoat
07-02-2013, 12:05 PM
The changes made to the team today may strengthen the team but not as much as we need to tip the scales by a long shot. I'd be happy with any points.

Phil
07-02-2013, 12:26 PM
Lets bring it in the stands tomorrow night. That team needs everyone as loud as they can be. Montreal is a very good side, we need an inspiring effort.

Abou Sky
07-02-2013, 01:37 PM
Lets bring it in the stands tomorrow night. That team needs everyone as loud as they can be. Montreal is a very good side, we need an inspiring effort.

Holy shit, almost replied 'Um, Phil, game is WEDNESDAY'

Right...

ecospice
07-02-2013, 01:43 PM
Woooooooooo! Tic Tac!!!

Ivy
07-02-2013, 01:49 PM
MTL is very explosive on their attack, and attack from the middle looking for log runs from Di Viao and his buddies. Caldwell and Boss will have their work cut out for them. High line and offside traps will put a real strain on the impact.
Hopefuly Koef and Brockie can step up, because Nesta and Ferrari have some really really really good games together.

JayMolly
07-02-2013, 03:11 PM
Lets bring it in the stands tomorrow night. That team needs everyone as loud as they can be. Montreal is a very good side, we need an inspiring effort.

We agree Phil.

We made the trip with the other 1000's of TFC supporters March 16.

It is time the Impact fans feel the disapointment when playing in our house!

J&M

leafsman
07-02-2013, 06:14 PM
so we will be missing players, osorio really the only one i care about for the stupid gold cup that will be on sportsnet world so nobody will see it.

GBV
07-02-2013, 07:23 PM
Looks like there should/could be a great-sized crowd for this one.

Fort York Redcoat
07-03-2013, 07:22 AM
so we will be missing players, osorio really the only one i care about for the stupid gold cup that will be on sportsnet world so nobody will see it.

Yes they are playing for the country. It seems sportsnet agrees with your opinion, though, with the limited coverage they are giving.

ensco
07-03-2013, 07:36 AM
50% chance of thunderstorms.

I know the weather turned out fine last Saturday in the end, but I think it's been 2 or 3 years since I looked at a forecast for a TFC game and thought with certainty "wow, it's going to be a nice day/night to take in a game".

Did Mo put a weather curse on us when he left?

Canary10
07-03-2013, 08:21 AM
50% chance of thunderstorms.

I know the weather turned out fine last Saturday in the end, but I think it's been 2 or 3 years since I looked at a forecast for a TFC game and thought with certainty "wow, it's going to be a nice day/night to take in a game".

Did Mo put a weather curse on us when he left?

It was possibly more than just a weather curse......

T-boy
07-03-2013, 09:00 AM
I'm bored at work, any guesses on the starting 11 tonight?

Koev's and Brockie to start up front again? Boss at CB in for Henry? Russel to start in place of Osorio? Or Silva to start for Osorio?

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 09:23 AM
My XI would be:
Bendik
Richter - Caldwell - Agboss - O'Dea
Laba
Hall - - - Convey
Silva
Koevermans - Brockie
Hall would sit back more with Laba, but wider than usual with Laba playing centrally, and Convey would play further forward, providing the width on the left while Richter provides the width on the right. Silva will be able to get the ball from the other mids and feed the forwards.

Canary10
07-03-2013, 09:23 AM
I'm bored at work, any guesses on the starting 11 tonight?

Koev's and Brockie to start up front again? Boss at CB in for Henry? Russel to start in place of Osorio? Or Silva to start for Osorio?

Yeah, I think Silva plays for Osorio. Koef and Brockie up front. We created chances on the weekend, just didn't finish. Might as well stay with that.

Oldtimer
07-03-2013, 09:25 AM
Worst thing to watch out for in this match:


REFEREE: Baldomero Toledo

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Baldomero+Toledo+MLS+Playoffs+Seattle+Sounders+xqG re5c3YDtl.jpghttp://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b3/5a/b35a27b2625e531de5b0da3a4248b200.jpg?itok=Tx0dW7A_

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/173/656/111786561_crop_340x234.jpg?1302161845

:yikes:

Our guys had better be careful or TFC will be playing with 9 men.

Oldtimer
07-03-2013, 09:29 AM
Worst thing to look forward to in this match:


REFEREE: Baldomero Toledo.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Baldomero+Toledo+MLS+Playoffs+Seattle+Sounders+xqG re5c3YDtl.jpghttp://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b3/5a/b35a27b2625e531de5b0da3a4248b200.jpg?itok=Tx0dW7A_

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/173/656/111786561_crop_340x234.jpg?1302161845

:yikes:

Our guys had better be careful or TFC will be playing with 9 men. Every MLS team knows what it means to be "Toledo'd"

Abou Sky
07-03-2013, 09:32 AM
I'm bored at work, any guesses on the starting 11 tonight?

Koev's and Brockie to start up front again? Boss at CB in for Henry? Russel to start in place of Osorio? Or Silva to start for Osorio?

My guess:

--------------Bendik----------
Richter--Caldwell--Boss--O'Dea
Silva---Hall---Laba---Convey
------Brockie---DK----------

Montreal is inconsistent and have a leaky goal for a first place team (1.4 GA per game average, same as TFC although TFC are at 1 since Caldwell arrived)

The teams we don't score on are STINGY (REV .87, RSL .89, HOU 1.06 [in heat])

I think we will get to see our boys put one or two in, although the MTL way of winning is just 'scoring more' and of course 'Pass it to the Italians'

Abou Sky
07-03-2013, 09:33 AM
Hey, I found a clip of Schillibaum coaching the Impact


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpxPstb2DAU

Abou Sky
07-03-2013, 09:34 AM
Our guys had better be careful or TFC will be playing with 9 men. Every MLS team knows what it means to be "Toledo'd"

If Toledo fucks us over I am going to [deleted]

Daze
07-03-2013, 09:41 AM
Didn't Toledo ref the game in MTL at the beginning of the year? fucking awful penalty call on Morgan. that and numerous other shitty calls ruined the game.

Oldtimer
07-03-2013, 09:47 AM
Didn't Toledo ref the game in MTL at the beginning of the year? fucking awful penalty call on Morgan. that and numerous other shitty calls ruined the game.

He's ruined a lot of games, he makes them about him.

MLS players named him the worst referee: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130227/mls-preview-player-survey/


World soccer news said this:
MLS has a major problem with Toledo. No, not the city in Ohio but the referee Baldomero Toledo. The MLS midweek game last night was excellent – it had drama, a touch of irony, and a late goal leading to a 1-1 draw between the Whitecaps and Revolution. What the match didn’t have was 11 on 11; once again the referee intervened to alter the outcome of the game, almost from the outset.

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2011/04/07/mls-is-a-joke-unless-it-addresses-toledo/

How about this commentary:


Major League Soccer, having issued two suspensions this week, really needs to issue one more. The league needs to give referee Baldomero Toledo a break. Maybe a long one.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/02/dear-major-league-soccer-we-need-to-talk-about-referee-baldomero-toledo-again/


Baldomero Toledo refereed his first Vancouver Whitecaps MLS game on Wednesday night, and it wasn't a performance the locals will soon forget.

In a game which figured three red cards and four yellows there isn’t much doubt to who was the star of the game: referee Baldomero Toledo. The man from California was on the lips of every person entering his first game in Vancouver as word spread of his history and nothing changed afterward.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1589/canada/2011/04/07/2430034/baldomero-toledo-plays-the-villain-in-vancouver

He had one good TFC game as far as I remember, apart from that he has been dreadful.

Richard
07-03-2013, 09:49 AM
Here are the referee stats for this year if anyone is interested. http://www.worldfootball.net/schiedsrichter/usa-major-league-soccer-2013/1/

Oldtimer
07-03-2013, 09:51 AM
Here are the referee stats for this year if anyone is interested. http://www.worldfootball.net/schiedsrichter/usa-major-league-soccer-2013/1/

Yep, he and Gonzalez lead the league for issuing red cards.

Auzzy
07-03-2013, 10:00 AM
Holy Toledo, I thought he had calmed down a bit, but it seems not.

GBV
07-03-2013, 10:55 AM
Jays at home to Tigers tonight.

Bruno Mars at the Amphitheatre -- close to sold out.

Big BMO crowd.

Gonna be a crawl on the roads.

Much Obliged
07-03-2013, 10:57 AM
First TFC Game. Heard the crowd banter makes its all worthwhile. Hopefully we get a decent result here!

T-boy
07-03-2013, 11:11 AM
This game isn't going to end with 22 men, that's for sure.

I think there is some goals in this game though, I can see a combined 4 being scored. I don't see it being low scoring.

Auzzy
07-03-2013, 11:31 AM
Montreal coach & assistant coach suspended for tonight's game: http://www.impactmontreal.com/en/news/2013/07/marco-schallibaum-and-philippe-eullaffroy-suspended-against-toronto-fc

I say we offer them a 2-for-1 deal: they can have both coaches for the game if they keep Di Vaio out... ;)

cmonyoureds
07-03-2013, 11:38 AM
What I'd give for another epic DeRo type "shhh"ing in front of the supporters section again.

pekduck
07-03-2013, 12:22 PM
Montreal coach & assistant coach suspended for tonight's game: http://www.impactmontreal.com/en/news/2013/07/marco-schallibaum-and-philippe-eullaffroy-suspended-against-toronto-fc

I say we offer them a 2-for-1 deal: they can have both coaches for the game if they keep Di Vaio out... ;)

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/07/03/mls-disciplinary-committee-suspends-salinas-schallibaum-and-fines-ben-olsen-

On Wednesday the league announced sanctions for D.C. United Ben Olsen, Toronto FC's Ryan Nelsen and the Montreal Impact's Marco Schällibaum along with his assistant Philippe Eullaffroy.

Nelsen and Toronto FC were fined an undisclosed amount "for the team's violation of the League's mass confrontation policy" during a 78th-minute altercation in the 1-0 loss against Real Salt Lake at BMO Field (WATCH IT HERE) (http://www.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2013-06-29-TOR-v-RSL/highlights/224754). The team had previously received a warning from the league about mass confrontation earlier this season.


Mass confrontation eh? Hmm..

Ivy
07-03-2013, 12:35 PM
Odd... How are altercations suppose to be separated? By other players standing and watching 2 guys scrap? Santos Laguna was a mass confrontation, RSL was nothing special.

ag futbol
07-03-2013, 01:07 PM
Odd... How are altercations suppose to be separated? By other players standing and watching 2 guys scrap? Santos Laguna was a mass confrontation, RSL was nothing special.
If I understand correctly, it's not mass confrontations of players that are sanctioned, but rather of the officials. I can understand the merit of this, it gets annoying to watch a crowd of players hound an official. You have certain teams that will do it every time a significant call is made that isn't in their favor, even if it is the correct call.

That being said, MLS should be ashamed of the quality of officiating this year. It has been nothing less than terrible.

TOBOR !
07-03-2013, 01:23 PM
First TFC Game. Heard the crowd banter makes its all worthwhile. Hopefully we get a decent result here!

Just be sure to set your expectations at an achievable level.

Ivy
07-03-2013, 01:33 PM
If I understand correctly, it's not mass confrontations of players that are sanctioned, but rather of the officials. I can understand the merit of this, it gets annoying to watch a crowd of players hound an official. You have certain teams that will do it every time a significant call is made that isn't in their favor, even if it is the correct call.

That being said, MLS should be ashamed of the quality of officiating this year. It has been nothing less than terrible.
Makes sense, but if that's the case, then I really don't understand the grounds for the fine...the officials were never surrounded by confrontational players... All 3 stood apart from the group for the most part. Even O'Dea walked away...

Still Kicking
07-03-2013, 01:35 PM
MLS regulations have painted themselves into a corner. MTL coach suspended because he stepped onto the field. TFC coach fined because his team was involved in mass confrontation. These two rules seem a contradiction - hey coach you are responsible for preventing your players from massing, but don't step onto the field of play? I think the field of play rule is universal, ref decides who comes on and off, it is the ref's turf. But mass confrontations? What if the team lines up and talks to the ref two by two or confronts a player two by two? Only confrontations designed by Noah are approved in the MLS.

Ivy
07-03-2013, 01:44 PM
Yup. The refs suck, might as we have everybody sucking... Probably the only thing that's actually consistent.

ag futbol
07-03-2013, 01:53 PM
If stubhub is any indicator, it should be a decent draw tonight. 15 tickets left, starting from a price of $40.

Compare that to the weekend, at kickoff time there were still gobs of tickets available and prices started at $15.

Much Obliged
07-03-2013, 02:01 PM
Just be sure to set your expectations at an achievable level.

Not sure what an achievable level is!

I'm sitting in 114, would that alone make my first game worth while?

Pint
07-03-2013, 02:19 PM
If you are sitting you are doing it wrong

Much Obliged
07-03-2013, 02:24 PM
If you are sitting you are doing it wrong

Point taken boss!

Graeme
07-03-2013, 02:29 PM
-----------Bendik
-Richter-Boss-Caldwell-ODea
Hall----Laba-----Convey
----------Silva
---Koevermans-Earnshaw

Surely I can't be the only one interested in a Robbie/Danny start?

Auzzy
07-03-2013, 02:38 PM
-----------Bendik
-Richter-Boss-Caldwell-ODea
Hall----Laba-----Convey
----------Silva
---Koevermans-Earnshaw

Surely I can't be the only one interested in a Robbie/Danny start?

Would be nice, but Earnshaw is still out with a calf injury AFAIK.

v00d00daddy
07-03-2013, 02:41 PM
My ticket fell through. Anybody have a spare?

Gazza
07-03-2013, 02:53 PM
Something tells me Koefs gets sent off tonight. Hopefully he bags a couple beforehand.

Ivy
07-03-2013, 02:59 PM
-----------Bendik
-Richter-Boss-Caldwell-ODea
Hall----Laba-----Convey
----------Silva
---Koevermans-Earnshaw

Surely I can't be the only one interested in a Robbie/Danny start?

Convey on the right, Silva on the left, and Brockie instead of Earny.

Graeme
07-03-2013, 03:32 PM
Would be nice, but Earnshaw is still out with a calf injury AFAIK. I don't see him on the disabled list? Or is that not always accurate?

ensco
07-03-2013, 03:55 PM
If stubhub is any indicator, it should be a decent draw tonight. 15 tickets left, starting from a price of $40.

Compare that to the weekend, at kickoff time there were still gobs of tickets available and prices started at $15.

I know two different people coming solely to see Nesta. One of the great signings, if the metric is player cost ($125K as reported) measured against ability to put fannies in seats (top 5 in MLS). Even I am quite pumped to see the great Alessandro in action.

btw he today sorta kinda announced his retirement, at season's end.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/03/did-alessandro-nesta-just-announce-his-retirement/

ag futbol
07-03-2013, 04:29 PM
I know two different people coming solely to see Nesta. One of the great signings, if the metric is player cost ($125K as reported) measured against ability to put fannies in seats (top 5 in MLS). Even I am quite pumped to see the great Alessandro in action.

btw he today sorta kinda announced his retirement, at season's end.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/03/did-alessandro-nesta-just-announce-his-retirement/
It would be interesting if that's what's actually driving ticket sales for tonight. Looks like Stubhub is now out of tickets and ticketmaster is running low.

I'll be secretly hoping this "big name DP" signing falls through. Smells too much like a short term fix and another gimmick to get people back to the gate quickly.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 05:25 PM
Starting XI: Bendik; Richter, Agbossoumonde, Caldwell, O'Dea; Lambe, Laba, Russell, Convey; Silva, Brockie

substitutes: Frei; Hall, Thomas, Welshman, Braun, Wiedeman, Koevermans.

Richard
07-03-2013, 05:30 PM
This game can go either way tonight, really unpredictable especially with Toledo.

ag futbol
07-03-2013, 05:43 PM
Makes sense, but if that's the case, then I really don't understand the grounds for the fine...the officials were never surrounded by confrontational players... All 3 stood apart from the group for the most part. Even O'Dea walked away...
Looking at that reply (given that was the incident) I agree. The officials handled that terribly.

This rule is pretty dumb if that's the way they are going to enforce it.

Corpand
07-03-2013, 05:53 PM
Russell, in midfield?

His actual role. This should be real interesting/complete fucking disaster. Hope for the former.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:07 PM
Hmm....one really bad stream and TSN2 redoing the Stanley Cup.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:11 PM
WTF????

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:12 PM
:picard:

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:13 PM
I sure hope that's not a MLS record...disastrous start.

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:14 PM
Hahahaha. WTF did I just see.

Leedsoronto
07-03-2013, 06:15 PM
Jeesh now what ?

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:16 PM
Fuck yes. Thank you.

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:17 PM
Now I am not AS embarrassed.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:17 PM
Great goal! Now that's more like it.

Leedsoronto
07-03-2013, 06:17 PM
Oh my we scored. <blinks eyes>

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:18 PM
Convey, that was crud, twice. Bad pass before that and then a crud of a shot.

Take the goal but Convey is just not impressing me today.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:26 PM
I wonder if these commentators will actually discuss the game at any point? They seem to have about 50 flash cards of info to get through.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:26 PM
Realize people may still be showing up, but for a game that was supposed to be just shy of a sellout, BMO is looking really empty.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:29 PM
Ach, nein! Silva!

notthesun
07-03-2013, 06:29 PM
Man Silva's finishing has really been off this year.

69Chevy396
07-03-2013, 06:30 PM
Realize people may still be showing up, but for a game that was supposed to be just shy of a sellout, BMO is looking really empty.
Might have been different if a few of those Italians were on our team.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:32 PM
WOW...unmarked. Impact looking like our defence circa last year.

Dkolish3
07-03-2013, 06:32 PM
We're Winning!!!!!!




Steve (my more negative self): Wait till the 90' minute



Me: Shut up Steve.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:32 PM
Nice way to celebrate your new contract, Caldwell!

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:33 PM
Yeah baby

notthesun
07-03-2013, 06:33 PM
Holy shit! Do my eyes deceive me? An accurate TFC cross?

Nelsen. Keep this Brockie lad around a bit longer, eh?

Props to Caldwell too, guy's a beast in the air.

CBTFC
07-03-2013, 06:33 PM
Wow, what a solid header by Caldwell. Finally we have a solid option on set piece attempts.

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:33 PM
We have been absolutely bringing it to Montreal since that goal. Lit a fire under their asses I suppose. Loving it.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 06:33 PM
Very nice header by Caldwell. Did anyone notice who made that nice slide pass to Silva on the previous chance?

Dkolish3
07-03-2013, 06:35 PM
We're Winning!!!!!!




Steve (my more negative self): Wait till the 90' minute



Me: Shut up Steve.
Take that Steve. 3-1

tfcfans
07-03-2013, 06:35 PM
Oh my.......:scarf:

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:35 PM
OH MY GOOOOOD WHAT is HAPPENING RIGHT NOW

Corpand
07-03-2013, 06:36 PM
This game for us is like a 30 year old virgin having sex for the first time. Except it's goals were jizzing everywhere. I think the shitty start made EVERYONE step their game up. With a bumper crowd tonight, I could see us running away with this.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:36 PM
Trying to temper my excitement right now - I've seen this go wrong too many times before. Might allow myself to get a little excited if we're still up by two with 5 mins. to go...;)

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:36 PM
Redemption for O'Dea after that gaffe to start the game.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 06:37 PM
Some very nice give and goes and combination play by our players today, and results in a goal by our Captain. Very nice

Leedsoronto
07-03-2013, 06:37 PM
Stop the game NOW!!!!

Lol we want 6

notthesun
07-03-2013, 06:39 PM
If you're gonna make a mistake like that, that's the best way to redeem yourself. Well done Darren, nice combination play with Silva too.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:39 PM
We are cruising for a red card here.

ag futbol
07-03-2013, 06:39 PM
Wow what a bounce back from giving up a goal in the first minute.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:40 PM
We are cruising for a red card here.

All it takes is one decision by Toledo to turn the tide....let's hope that doesn't happen.

Corpand
07-03-2013, 06:41 PM
Laba is REALLY holding it down in midfield at the moment. I can see where Russell's mobility over Hall comes in handy today.

Damien
07-03-2013, 06:41 PM
streaming link? plz? anyone?

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:42 PM
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/193926/2/watch-toronto-fc-vs-montreal-impact.html

Dv23
07-03-2013, 06:45 PM
Just realized.. All of our goals have come from players who have never had a goal for us before.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 06:47 PM
I know it was unintentonal, but man, the last couple of games he's been in Russell's taken no prisoners, lol.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 06:47 PM
That "dig a hole and burry him" chant gets used way too much. It's supposed to be used when players are obviously faking injury to waste time or whatever. But it's completely classless when the player is legitimately injured like now. He got kicked in the head ffs. He's probably got a concussion

notthesun
07-03-2013, 06:49 PM
Russell fuck dude, I don't care if that was all ball, you gotta know who's reffing this game. Stay on your feet.

valeo
07-03-2013, 06:55 PM
Great stuff from Brockie - good to see him get his first goal for you.

Hope you guys push on - you deserve a big win over a rival after all the crap this season has thrown at you.

Dkolish3
07-03-2013, 06:56 PM
Well that was a foul for Convey

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 06:57 PM
Is Lambe playing today? Play seems to be going up and down our right without his name being mentioned.

notthesun
07-03-2013, 06:59 PM
Yup, he's the guy in midfield wearing the slippers. Always hated the look of all black shoes.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 07:00 PM
Great stuff from Brockie - good to see him get his first goal for you.

Hope you guys push on - you deserve a big win over a rival after all the crap this season has thrown at you.

Ummm...I know you're probably not in favour of this, but what would it take for us to sign him permanently from you guys?

Red CB Toronto
07-03-2013, 07:00 PM
Come on you Reds, what a great first half. Brockie, Caldwell and O'Dea all with their first goals in a TFC uniform. YES !!!

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 07:01 PM
We ain't finishing this match with 11 men - just got a feelin'.

notthesun
07-03-2013, 07:01 PM
All Nelsen should talk about at halftime: keep pressing. Don't bunker for the love of god.

Davenport
07-03-2013, 07:10 PM
All it takes is one decision by Toledo to turn the tide....let's hope that doesn't happen.
Toledo is itching to send someone in a red shirt off. I hate to say it but one of our lads will give him the chance.
What a difference to Laba with Russell doing a decent defensive job in midfield.
Several players had their best halves ever for TFC...Russell, Laba, Brockie, Convey.
They've hassled a slow looking Impact back four very well.

Davenport
07-03-2013, 07:11 PM
Great stuff from Brockie - good to see him get his first goal for you.

Hope you guys push on - you deserve a big win over a rival after all the crap this season has thrown at you.

G'day mate. You're up early !

Corpand
07-03-2013, 07:16 PM
I like Convey with a bit of game fitness. He is willing to take more risks, which means more runs into the box.
I like.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 07:17 PM
Arnaud is out of sorts.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 07:18 PM
And of course that isn't a yellow lol

Corpand
07-03-2013, 07:19 PM
O'Dea just murdered someone in the stands with that free kick.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 07:20 PM
Not a yellow. Laba worked that one by stopping in front of Bernier.

Damien
07-03-2013, 07:20 PM
http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/193926/2/watch-toronto-fc-vs-montreal-impact.html

Thank you sir!

valeo
07-03-2013, 07:22 PM
Ummm...I know you're probably not in favour of this, but what would it take for us to sign him permanently from you guys?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVtWdadYgmhMVbfq_2yAeHTg8d9hyCq NRggkybR56i1TpRR_4tSw

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 07:24 PM
Regardless if he's offside or not, letting Di Vaio be that free is BAD.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 07:24 PM
Onside, but I'll take the call

Initial B
07-03-2013, 07:30 PM
Um, did I enter an alternate dimension? I just got back from taking my son from soccer practice and TFC is up 3-1. Are Montreal really that bad, are their old guys feeling the MLS schedule, or has the curse not kicked in yet?

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 07:37 PM
Um, did I enter an alternate dimension? I just got back from taking my son from soccer practice and TFC is up 3-1. Are Montreal really that bad, are their old guys feeling the MLS schedule, or has the curse not kicked in yet?

Shhhh!!!!

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 07:37 PM
Got to bury that one Brockie.


Edit: And that's why.

Initial B
07-03-2013, 07:39 PM
Ah, that's more like it. The curse continues....

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 07:40 PM
Um, did I enter an alternate dimension? I just got back from taking my son from soccer practice and TFC is up 3-1. Are Montreal really that bad, are their old guys feeling the MLS schedule, or has the curse not kicked in yet?

Just wait a sec...yeah...there it is. :(

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 07:40 PM
Our guys are gassed. Subs?

tfc2008
07-03-2013, 07:41 PM
3-5 Montreal hahahaha

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 07:41 PM
Danny on for Brockie I'm thinking.

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 07:43 PM
Braun when you have Koevermans?

69Chevy396
07-03-2013, 07:44 PM
Ah, that's more like it. The curse continues....
Not a curse. By the 60th min of most clse games the oposition has figured out what works, and because every team is better coached, we lose late in most games. You can out box the guy in the other corner all night long but his knock out punch is all thatreally matters in the end. Now Silva, our best player, comes out.

tfc2008
07-03-2013, 07:53 PM
Now he gone put Koev in that guy isn't a coach, you put him in father the 3-3

tfc2008
07-03-2013, 07:54 PM
Afther

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 07:55 PM
Hmmm....Lambe off is probably a good idea. He's been the least effective.

Initial B
07-03-2013, 07:55 PM
Okay, last 5 minutes. Time to hitch the gitch...

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Held out for a tie.

Given how good Montreal's attack is will take that and move on.

tfcleeds
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Just isn't to be this season. It's all about building for next season, right?

notthesun
07-03-2013, 08:05 PM
Ugh.

jloome
07-03-2013, 08:06 PM
Okay, last 5 minutes. Time to hitch the gitch...

See, you jinxed them by coming home to watch the end of the game.g:D

Super
07-03-2013, 08:07 PM
Just isn't to be this season. It's all about building for next season, right?

It's been about that for a while.

Great first half. Horribly disappointing second half. Let's figure out how we can have more of what we saw in the first. Hopefully this shows our potential.

nonc
07-03-2013, 08:13 PM
Hall was bad off the bench I'd be fine with just about anyone else, including more Russell if he can avoid silly cautions. Third Impact goal via Richter. Laba is a genius Montreal would've completely taken over without him.

Detroit_TFC
07-03-2013, 08:21 PM
Montreal didn't think they would have any trouble coming into this game, got an early goal and fell asleep. In the second half they took the game back. None of this is surprising. I am happy with some individual TFC performances. Laba continues to expand into his role, what a player he is for us. Unfortunately he's not going to get the kudos he deserves due to our poor record.

notthesun
07-03-2013, 08:24 PM
Hall was bad off the bench I'd be fine with just about anyone else, including more Russell if he can avoid silly cautions. Third Impact goal via Richter. Laba is a genius Montreal would've completely taken over without him.

If we can fashion even a decent team around him he'll be spoken of in the same breath as guys like Beckerman and Alonso. Near impossible to get credit as a DM on a losing team, and it's a shame because he's doing everything right. You can tell he's really gotten comfortable in the squad and the league now.

Payne needs to find one or two similar guys for our midfield and forward lines and we'll be looking really damn good.

ag futbol
07-03-2013, 08:25 PM
Wow, I know Ritcher is limited but that last sequence of play on the DiVaio goal is a horror show.

Two amateurish clearances and we paid for it once Montreal got the second opportunity.

v00d00daddy
07-03-2013, 08:35 PM
Why Braun on instead of koev?

Why koev so late?

That ball in the box for brockie would have been buried by koev instead of brockie putting it over the bar.

nonc
07-03-2013, 08:49 PM
I like Brockie because he's about winning and does the right thing, looks to setup teammates whenever possible but doesn't think twice about having a go when something presents itself. An all around forward with no great tool but a lot of good skills, he's like a chameleon out there. He's been a catalyst, TFC are less stagnate in the opposition half and more difficult to defend with him doing his thing(s).

ManUtd4ever
07-03-2013, 09:15 PM
An obviously disappointing result, but a very entertaining match nonetheless.

Laba looks like a real gem in the defensive midfield.

Detroit_TFC
07-03-2013, 09:16 PM
It's a dilemma with Danny K - he's not at the point where he can contribute but needs the match minutes to get to that point. IMO better to bring him in late rather than starting him, at least for now.

billyfly
07-03-2013, 09:21 PM
Another draw that feels like a loss.

T-boy
07-03-2013, 09:31 PM
Argh that was frustrating. Great in patches, bad in patches as usual. Montreal are dangerous though, and can score easily. You can't give Di Vaio even a half chance and he will pounce.

I guess you can say that a point against the top team is probably ok at home? But of course, after playing so well first half and going 2 goals into the lead, its disappointing not to win this one.

Brockie is action man, and quickly becoming a favourite. But he was pretty tired looking in the last 20, and maybe he should have come off and not Silva. I didn't mind Braun coming on instead of Koev's, Braun is physical and puts himself around, Koev's isn't "there" yet for that type of game. You can see in Koev's game that he's not got that first yard of pace yet, and will take time to come back to him. When he was fit last season and whenever there was a cross, he was first to the ball and scored, but so far this season whenever there is cross, he's on the back foot and doesn't get ahead of his defender. It will come when he's fully fit.

I dunno what else to say. I'm going to have to watch the highlights cos Montreal's two goals were so fast that I don't even remember them now! Laba and Russel controlled the midfield all game except for about 7 minutes in the second half, and that's all you need to let a lead go against the top team!

Ivy
07-03-2013, 09:34 PM
TFC the better team. Miles ahead from last year, but There are missing pieces from the offense - and everybody knows that. It's very very very disappointing, but the infamous summer window is coming in 6 days. Lets see what this team can do afterwards.

bgnewf
07-03-2013, 09:38 PM
Sux we did not hold onto the 3 pts but I will say this, the south end of BMO Field has not rocked like that in a while. BIG PROPS to the Red Patch Boys from this old U Sector-ite next door in 113.

pawlukj
07-03-2013, 09:43 PM
that was a great game to go to 112 was great I like the "lallalla la .. lal alala la "chants.. as for the team well we might not be in playoff contention but I want a fight like tonight every game until the end... great game have agood one mates

Ajax TFC
07-03-2013, 09:46 PM
In the first half we dominated the midfield. In the second half, Montreal subbed out their old CMs while we did nothing. The result was the momentum swung in their favour as they took over the midfield and were able to expose our slow back line. We didn't make a single sub until it was all tied up, and when we did, instead of bringing players who could shift the midfield battle in our favour, we brought on a clumsy target forward for a creative mid/forward who can actually control the ball and a pure DM for a more two way mid.

By the time Koevermans was finally brought on, the support lines were so screwed up that there was never any way he was going to be able to make a difference in open play.

I really want to have faith in Nelsen, but it's hard when he makes so many tactically baffling decisions that just don't work.

BuSaPuNk
07-03-2013, 09:50 PM
^ bang on. Seems like Nelson makes subs way to late to even have an impact.

BuSaPuNk
07-03-2013, 09:56 PM
There were a lot of positives from this game though. We got caught asleep at the beginning of the game and gave up a quick goal. But scoring 3 unanswered in the first half big bonus.

Caldwell is a fucking beast. Laba is controlling the midfield like a champ. Love Brockies hussle tonight. Wish we could find a way to half that first half of tonight's game happen for a full 90 just once.

leafsman
07-03-2013, 10:08 PM
Have we had a coach that actually makes good subs? Seems like no matter whose in charge they make questionable sub decisions

T-boy
07-03-2013, 10:08 PM
Can I just say how disappointed I am with Convey. I'm going to call him Bobby GoBackwards from now on - seriously, he doesn't even want to take a defender on or move off the ball at all. O'Dea busting through for that gola really shows what a winger SHOULD be doing, but Convey neve actually looks to make that type of movement off the ball. He's wasted out there and a winger should be the one making the off the ball moves, taking on defenders and ceating problems - you don't ever get anything like that from Convey. He used to be a hell of a lot better when I saw him play for Reading, what has happened to him? Very disappointing.

OgtheDim
07-03-2013, 10:17 PM
And...Cathal Kelly is trolling TFC again.

Must have been nowhere else to go tonight (they won't let him near baseball more then once a month).

Best ignore him. He's just selling newspapers and eyeballs.

69Chevy396
07-03-2013, 10:19 PM
It's a dilemma with Danny K - he's not at the point where he can contribute but needs the match minutes to get to that point. IMO better to bring him in late rather than starting him, at least for now.
He is through as a reliable goal scorer. We should have signed Del Piero last season.

BuSaPuNk
07-03-2013, 10:42 PM
^ it's unfortunate but I think your right Koevs looks done. Don't think he's ever going to get back to full fitness. And it looks like even management is starting to see the writing on the wall.

Detroit_TFC
07-03-2013, 10:45 PM
He is through as a reliable goal scorer. We should have signed Del Piero last season.

After an injury like he got, that is certainly possible. But he is on the books for this year, so he'll probably get an extended chance to prove otherwise.

Stress
07-03-2013, 10:45 PM
Back from the game and watched the highlights. I think Richter is most at fault for the 2 last goals. Caught clueless and dancing on Camara's goal and then has two chances to get the ball out of danger for the last one and screws it up. We really need Ecks back.

I agree that Convey hasn't impressed much and although he took his goal superbly, I think O'dea is making far too many mistakes and his free kicks were brutal. Hopefully Nelly gives them the stick a little.

Brockie did well enough that I'll try and ignore that sky high blast in the 2nd. Really like his hustle and heads up play on the Caldwell goal. I also thought Laba had another good game and I think we're really close to a playoff caliber team.

moralis
07-03-2013, 10:46 PM
Big props to Red Patch Boys and U-Sector for the banner:

"JUSTICE FOR MATT"

Let's fight to get Matt back again to BMO Field because that's also his home.

TFC07
07-03-2013, 10:46 PM
Weird game for TFC. We desperately need an attacking mid and better wingers.

On a bright side, it was a nice turnout tonight despite the fact Jays were playing at home. I guess summer weather is bringing out more people.

reggie
07-03-2013, 10:53 PM
Big props to Red Patch Boys and U-Sector for the banner:

"JUSTICE FOR MATT"

Let's fight to get Matt back again to BMO Field because that's also his home.

what is meaning of the sign?

SKB
07-03-2013, 11:16 PM
Well a very exciting game, fun to watch. Some positives to take from the game, and some pieces in the team need changing.
Laba was just superb the more I see of him the more I like him. Russell made a nice pairing with him tonight. Way better then Hall. When Hall came in the game you really noticed how the level of play in the midfield dropped. He is a depth player at best. We got two goals from the defense! Richter is a decent depth player but not a starter. When Eks returns we will be much stronger. Convey has done nothing on the left. In fact our first goal was a fluke of sorts. He tried to shoot and totally miss hit the ball and it ended up a pass to Brockie. Brockie shows great hustle and is good passer, but he will never be a consistent finisher.
The team is two midfielders and top notch striker away from a decent team. Then we have to build a little more depth.Let's see where we are after the transfer window opens. The next home game on the 20th that will be the one to watch.

Ricky_Portugal
07-03-2013, 11:17 PM
Justice for Matt was a banner created by sg111 in honour of a fellow supporter that was banned from bmo for lighting a flare yet he had no flare to speak off and on security video held by the shows that he wasn't as well

ensco
07-03-2013, 11:20 PM
Koevermans can't run. He's not ready. He looks like he needs a walker.

Forget the big picture. What is he even doing on the pitch in a key situation?

moralis
07-03-2013, 11:31 PM
Okay, sorry about that. Didn't know. Still happy the banner was there for everyone to see.

Like I said earlier, let's fight to get Matt back again to BMO Field because that's also his home.

Auzzy
07-04-2013, 12:14 AM
^ I agree with most things said. Lots of great stuff + lots of horrible stuff. I was sitting in the stands, begging for subs before the Montreal 2 & 3rd goals, but they came too late.

I wouldn't worry about Koevermans. Remember both the 1st and 2nd years he played here, at first many folks were convinced he was done, too slow, useless, but he came around great. He needs game time -- and for a guy with that scoring rate, it's worth taking a gamble to get him match fit, even if it hurts you a bit in the meantime. He played lots on the past weekend, he got the right number of minutes today.

In addition to those mentioned, Agboss also had some really weak moments. There's the problem of guys who hardly ever get playing time, and the reserve schedule is minimal & almost useless. Agboss played (mostly) better earlier in the year, now he's rusty when he has to step in.

notthesun
07-04-2013, 12:46 AM
Koevermans can't run. He's not ready. He looks like he needs a walker.

Forget the big picture. What is he even doing on the pitch in a key situation?

Looking like he did at the start of last year. Needs minutes badly.

Yagbod
07-04-2013, 01:05 AM
Some douche in 111 was complaining about flags tonight. Security actually stepped in and told him what was what. I nearly fell over.

For the first time ever: thank you BMO security. His name was Barry and he is a fucking star.

Yagbod
07-04-2013, 01:30 AM
[QUOTE=Ricky_Portugal;1595411]Justice for Matt was a banner created by sg111 in honour of a fellow supporter that was banned"

1 year ban, police dropped the charges but EX security won't drop the ban despite a video showing Matt only held a banner. I've posted more details in other threads.

This is arbitrary and beyond unjust. I have no idea why supporters don't seem to care. Enough people know about this that this should be brought up with KP at every turn.

jloome
07-04-2013, 01:40 AM
Koevermans can't run. He's not ready. He looks like he needs a walker.

Forget the big picture. What is he even doing on the pitch in a key situation?

The game before, he actually outsprinted RSL's fullback for a ball at one point. So he can run. He's just in lousy shape and is a big body to begin with. If he's not getting at least 65 mins a game from the beginning right now, he's never going to get into game shape.

Fort York Redcoat
07-04-2013, 06:59 AM
Justice for Matt was a banner created by sg111 in honour of a fellow supporter that was banned from bmo for lighting a flare yet he had no flare to speak off and on security video held by the shows that he wasn't as well

As Yagbod alluded to this was a ban from Exibition place not BMO. BMO is on the grounds but this issue goes higher than TFCFO and there are more authorities involved.

Just a clarifacation.

Ivy
07-04-2013, 07:03 AM
Can I just mention how sweet it is when TFC score while we're singing the Dichio?

ensco
07-04-2013, 07:04 AM
The game before, he actually outsprinted RSL's fullback for a ball at one point. So he can run. He's just in lousy shape and is a big body to begin with. If he's not getting at least 65 mins a game from the beginning right now, he's never going to get into game shape.

Sorry, you are wrong. There is a difference between being out of shape and having lost it. This is totally reminding me of the Frings discussion, where it was obvious he was a pylon, but everyone raced to explain the subtleties of good veteran DM play.

He cannot run properly.

Ultra & Proud
07-04-2013, 07:17 AM
^ bang on. Seems like Nelson makes subs way to late to even have an impact.
I'd agree but for now we really have no one on the bench that can make an impact. There were no good options on the bench yesterday and watching Hall flub around out there for the last 15 minutes or so proved that. Doing subs with the likes of Hall any earlier and it would have been 3-5.

Haddy
07-04-2013, 07:18 AM
Justice for Matt was a banner created by sg111 in honour of a fellow supporter that was banned from bmo for lighting a flare yet he had no flare to speak off and on security video held by the shows that he wasn't as well

Has the actual guilty party come forward and offered to take Matt's place? I saw the banner last night and that was the first question that occurred to me.

DigzTFC!
07-04-2013, 07:18 AM
Here's what I saw:

In the first half we saw something that this team has never really had - wide play. Convey and O'Dea were dominating the left side with overlapping plays and were cuting into the middle of the park. It was amazing to watch how simple and effective an offense can. Lambe contributed nothing in that regard and Richter was admirable and provided more offense. Nelsen then pulled back the reigns on Convey and O'Dea in the second half and we went back to our normal offense, that is, the wingers play the ball back to our fullbacks and the guys with the worst touch on the team hoof it up the park. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. When you're trying to protect the lead it's imperative that you have possession. When you get the ball make 2-3 passes then launch it up the field the likelihood of you having to defend again is substantial. Did anyone else notice Camara took over the game or Nesta's patience? We need to swing it around the back more an be more patient otherwise these results will continue.

Haddy
07-04-2013, 07:23 AM
Here's what I saw:

In the first half we saw something that this team has never really had - wide play. Convey and O'Dea were dominating the left side with overlapping plays and were cuting into the middle of the park. It was amazing to watch how simple and effective an offense can. Lambe contributed nothing in that regard and Richter was admirable and provided more offense. Nelsen then pulled back the reigns on Convey and O'Dea in the second half and we went back to our normal offense, that is, the wingers play the ball back to our fullbacks and the guys with the worst touch on the team hoof it up the park. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. When you're trying to protect the lead it's imperative that you have possession. When you get the ball make 2-3 passes then launch it up the field the likelihood of you having to defend again is substantial. Did anyone else notice Camara took over the game or Nesta's patience? We need to swing it around the back more an be more patient otherwise these results will continue.

Agreed. Everyone around me was marveling at how much time we spent in Montreal's half in the 1st. Sometimes the best way to protect the lead is to keep doing what you're doing. Although, one could argue TFC doesn't have the horses to maintain a full 90. We basically invited them to score in the second half.

Phil
07-04-2013, 07:41 AM
Has the actual guilty party come forward and offered to take Matt's place? I saw the banner last night and that was the first question that occurred to me.

That was my question. It seems the feeling is its up to security to 'catch' the offender rather than admit to it.

Don't play with flares and you won't have an issue. Seems pretty simple to me.

brad
07-04-2013, 07:42 AM
Sorry, you are wrong. There is a difference between being out of shape and having lost it. This is totally reminding me of the Frings discussion, where it was obvious he was a pylon, but everyone raced to explain the subtleties of good veteran DM play.

He cannot run properly.

He couldn't last year either. He was slow as molasses but still scored for fun. Regardless - he's tied up in a contract this year and then gone if he doesn't perform.

DigzTFC!
07-04-2013, 07:49 AM
Another thing I saw:

O'Dea is exactly what Celtic fans said he was. Talented and error proned. He kept the guy onside on the third goal. That's two goals completely on him at $400K. Unacceptable. For this team to really move forward we need his salary reallocated.

Ultra & Proud
07-04-2013, 08:22 AM
Another thing I saw:

O'Dea is exactly what Celtic fans said he was. Talented and error proned. He kept the guy onside on the third goal. That's two goals completely on him at $400K. Unacceptable. For this team to really move forward we need his salary reallocated.

Keeping an opponent onside is one thing (O' Dea's play on the first goal was a joke and straight up garbage) but you can thank Richter for goals two and three. I re-watched those goals a few times. Second came right to his feet and he didn't react fast enough in part because he wasn't watching the play and had his back towards the incoming cross and also because his reaction time seems slow pretty much always. The third one doesn't happen if he doesn't fuck around in the corner and hoofed it out of the pressure. He waited so long to try to clear it and then his clearance was pathetic. Also his positioning was back to the previous levels of poor that I grew to expect from him. Bring back Eckersley.

Davenport
07-04-2013, 08:23 AM
Another thing I saw:

O'Dea is exactly what Celtic fans said he was. Talented and error proned. He kept the guy onside on the third goal. That's two goals completely on him at $400K. Unacceptable. For this team to really move forward we need his salary reallocated.

You're kidding....he gets $400K ?
For not knowing how to defend properly and his love for launching the ball as far as he can from left back to the right wing ?
He must think it's a good idea....he keeps doing it.
That's just wrong.

Canary10
07-04-2013, 08:35 AM
Sorry, you are wrong. There is a difference between being out of shape and having lost it. This is totally reminding me of the Frings discussion, where it was obvious he was a pylon, but everyone raced to explain the subtleties of good veteran DM play.

He cannot run properly.

I think you're right about this. Almost looked like he was running with pain. He needs reserve minutes or something else. He'll ruin it again playing at game pace in MLS.

DigzTFC!
07-04-2013, 08:48 AM
Keeping an opponent onside is one thing (O' Dea's play on the first goal was a joke and straight up garbage) but you can thank Richter for goals two and three. I re-watched those goals a few times. Second came right to his feet and he didn't react fast enough in part because he wasn't watching the play and had his back towards the incoming cross and also because his reaction time seems slow pretty much always. The third one doesn't happen if he doesn't fuck around in the corner and hoofed it out of the pressure. He waited so long to try to clear it and then his clearance was pathetic. Also his positioning was back to the previous levels of poor that I grew to expect from him. Bring back Eckersley.

That was part of it. Watch the replay again. O'Dea trails Di Vaio 5 ft behind the back line. I can understand being caught 5 ft behind on a scramble but not sprinting back on a offside run.

Canary10
07-04-2013, 09:12 AM
That was part of it. Watch the replay again. O'Dea trails Di Vaio 5 ft behind the back line. I can understand being caught 5 ft behind on a scramble but not sprinting back on a offside run.

It's easy to assign blame on goals, but pointing out Richter specifically on the two isn't quite accurate to me. As you said, O'Dea didn't track Di Vaio's run closely enough. Lambe also had the ball at his feet but didn't shield it. Richter obviously didn't clear it. On the second Richter may have reacted slowly but that was always going to be a hard ball for him to win. It dropped perfectly for Montreal on Caldwell's attempted header. Enough blame to go around on both goals.

T-boy
07-04-2013, 09:26 AM
Here's what I saw:

In the first half we saw something that this team has never really had - wide play. Convey and O'Dea were dominating the left side with overlapping plays and were cuting into the middle of the park. It was amazing to watch how simple and effective an offense can. Lambe contributed nothing in that regard and Richter was admirable and provided more offense. Nelsen then pulled back the reigns on Convey and O'Dea in the second half and we went back to our normal offense, that is, the wingers play the ball back to our fullbacks and the guys with the worst touch on the team hoof it up the park. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. When you're trying to protect the lead it's imperative that you have possession. When you get the ball make 2-3 passes then launch it up the field the likelihood of you having to defend again is substantial. Did anyone else notice Camara took over the game or Nesta's patience? We need to swing it around the back more an be more patient otherwise these results will continue.

I don't think it was necessarily that Nelson pulled anybody backwards. The start of the second half TFC were still trying to attack. But you also have to factor in that Montreal also changed their formation slightly, changed a midfielder, and then started getting more of the ball. Remember that there are two sides playing, two managers changing tactics, and two sides to the story.

The game changed swiftly after Montreal's first and second subs. Werner clearly got new instructions that Bernier didn't. I was surprised at subbing Bernier, who I rate, but it was clearly a tactical move and getting a new player on with new instructions. Could Nelson have made a switch himself immediately to counteract Montreal's move? Maybe, but it happened quickly and you can't get a sub on a ready after an opponents tactical switch within 3 minutes these days.

With the benefit of hindsight Nelson could have made an earlier sub, but then again, why do that when you are essentially coasting and in control of a game? Russell and Laba had full control of the game prior to Montreal's subs, I didn't see any reason to change at that point in time. We can all look back now and say that Nelson "should have done X", but really, I wouldn't have made a sub at that time either! I think Schallibaum is a twit, but he's also very good at tactically changing games and getting players to do certain things. His subs won the game, there is no doubt. I'd just put this down as a tactically lesson for Nelson, and something he can learn from.

DigzTFC!
07-04-2013, 09:42 AM
It's easy to assign blame on goals, but pointing out Richter specifically on the two isn't quite accurate to me. As you said, O'Dea didn't track Di Vaio's run closely enough. Lambe also had the ball at his feet but didn't shield it. Richter obviously didn't clear it. On the second Richter may have reacted slowly but that was always going to be a hard ball for him to win. It dropped perfectly for Montreal on Caldwell's attempted header. Enough blame to go around on both goals.

No, I said that O'Dea tracked Di Viao's run to put him onside. If he literally stood still it would have been better.

DigzTFC!
07-04-2013, 09:45 AM
I don't think it was necessarily that Nelson pulled anybody backwards. The start of the second half TFC were still trying to attack. But you also have to factor in that Montreal also changed their formation slightly, changed a midfielder, and then started getting more of the ball. Remember that there are two sides playing, two managers changing tactics, and two sides to the story.

The game changed swiftly after Montreal's first and second subs. Werner clearly got new instructions that Bernier didn't. I was surprised at subbing Bernier, who I rate, but it was clearly a tactical move and getting a new player on with new instructions. Could Nelson have made a switch himself immediately to counteract Montreal's move? Maybe, but it happened quickly and you can't get a sub on a ready after an opponents tactical switch within 3 minutes these days.

With the benefit of hindsight Nelson could have made an earlier sub, but then again, why do that when you are essentially coasting and in control of a game? Russell and Laba had full control of the game prior to Montreal's subs, I didn't see any reason to change at that point in time. We can all look back now and say that Nelson "should have done X", but really, I wouldn't have made a sub at that time either! I think Schallibaum is a twit, but he's also very good at tactically changing games and getting players to do certain things. His subs won the game, there is no doubt. I'd just put this down as a tactically lesson for Nelson, and something he can learn from.

Well he switched Convey to the other side in the second half. I personally would have subbed out Lambe to placed Koevermans up top and shifted Silva out wide. Maybe it was fatigue but the result is pretty much what I described.

T-boy
07-04-2013, 09:49 AM
Just watched the two Montreal goals again. I definitely don't point all the blame at Richter. The first Caldwell really should have done better with the initial cross. The ball flicked backwards behind Richter, who's momentum was carrying him past the ball. It was more unfortunately for Richter rather than "his fault". The second goal you can point a lot of fingers to Lambe who is totally asleep when the ball is cleared by Richter the second time. I thought Richter did well to get in front of the Montreal player to get the ball back again, then cleared directly to Lambe's feet, and Lambe was totally snoozing and let the Montreal player get in front of him and get the ball and gain possession. If Lambe is awake at that point, he gets possession of the ball and either turns with the ball, or clears to touch himself. If anybody is blaming Richter for the "poor clearance", you equally have to blame Lambe for not being awake in a position where he needs to be aware of his surroundings and quick enough to react when the ball is kicked straight at him.

GhostKiller
07-04-2013, 10:02 AM
Results aside the game was a great game to be at. The atmosphere isn't like it used to be, but last night the crowd was rockin and reasonable well attended. I love night games.

111_DrummerBoy
07-04-2013, 10:08 AM
That was my question. It seems the feeling is its up to security to 'catch' the offender rather than admit to it.

Don't play with flares and you won't have an issue. Seems pretty simple to me.

That was what the EX security originally wanted. In all honesty it wasn't one of our guys who had the flare. It was someone who joined the march along the way to BMO. So even if we had a name to give (and assuming we'd sell out another supporter), we don't even know who it was.

What is comes down to, if they had the right guy, fine. But they don't. They admitted they don't. And changed the reason for the ban from flare to trying to incite an incident with the Mtl supporters. Something that has been done numerous times.

There's more to the discussion going on in this thread. http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?34462-Justice-for-Matt

Essentially this is allowing the EX security to pull anyone out of a crowd and ban them for no real reason.

Canary10
07-04-2013, 10:25 AM
No, I said that O'Dea tracked Di Viao's run to put him onside. If he literally stood still it would have been better.

My mistake. The point remains the same though.

Abou Sky
07-04-2013, 10:46 AM
Keeping an opponent onside is one thing (O' Dea's play on the first goal was a joke and straight up garbage) but you can thank Richter for goals two and three. I re-watched those goals a few times. Second came right to his feet and he didn't react fast enough in part because he wasn't watching the play and had his back towards the incoming cross and also because his reaction time seems slow pretty much always. The third one doesn't happen if he doesn't fuck around in the corner and hoofed it out of the pressure. He waited so long to try to clear it and then his clearance was pathetic. Also his positioning was back to the previous levels of poor that I grew to expect from him. Bring back Eckersley.

I will start by saying Ecks > Richter

BUT

Montreal probably has the most dangerous offense in the league. We were short and I think Richter mostly handled Di Vaio quite well.

Yohan
07-04-2013, 11:22 AM
The Good
-3 goals from 3 different players breaking their goal scoring ducks
-South End rocking
-Laba bossing midfield

The Bad
-Giving up 3 goals
-Jeremy Hall singlehandedly trying to lose the game
-Reggie Lambe running around clueless

The Ugly
-O'Dea's giveaway leading to Mtl goal
-Bartholomew Toledo
-Comical TFC defending

Ratings
Bendik 6
-Again let down by his defence, and made a huge save to keep the game a draw.

Richter 5
-Partially at fault for 2 goals against. Still value for 34k/yr salary, but can't wait for Ecks to be back at RB.

Caldwell 6.5
-Turning out to be real threat on set pieces and plays with tenacity haven't seen from TFC CB in a long time.

Agbossoumonde 5.5
-Like most young defenders, suffers from occasional lapses in concentration.

O'Dea 6
-Would have gotten a worse rating if not for his well taken goal. Defending was poor. Di Vaio is class, but you either step up with rest of your team for offside trap or you stay goal side to at least put your body between di Vaio and goal for 3rd Mtl goal. O'Dea did neither. His attacking was good though, and his goal was class finish.

Lambe 5.5
-Not totally in sync with rest of the team and largely ineffective in stretches. Osorio was missed at RM

Russell 6.5
-Dude is a walking bomb and red card waiting to happen, but I think he surprised a lot of people with his play at CM. Assisted Laba in totally domination of mid by TFC for what, 2/3 of the game.

Laba 7
-Looks like he's got the league figured out. Was everywhere and his first touch and deft technique at keeping balls was a pleasure to watch. Doesn't complicate his game, and he is one of few players on the team that knows what he's going to next before the ball gets to him, instead of reacting like others.

Convey 6.5
-I thought one of Convey's better games. Clearly lost a lot of pace, but linked up well with O'Dea on left side on attacks. Won't be much of a goal scorer though.

Silva 7
-One of Silva's better games as he played the link up role between mid and striker well. When he has confidence, he can take on any defender in MLS and showed couple of nice moves. Has no left foot though.

Brockie 7.5
-Breakout game for Brockie who was rewarded with a goal and an assist. About average MLS striker in terms of quality, but has excellent work rate and a good cross. If he potted in one of his other quality chances he got, he'd have been an instant hero.

Nelsen 7
-Got the tactics right to start and exposed Mtl defence for 3 goals. He saw the weakness in Mtl's defending lately (Nesta is really slowing down) and used one twos and movements off the ball to really stretch Mtl defence. TFC goals given up were individual brainfarts and breakdown during transition after giveaway.
-After Mtl made adjustments, Nelsen hoped to ride out the game by keeping the players he started which up to 2nd Mtl goal were playing very well. Subbing in Braun was poor as Braun has poor touch and didn't do well with overall ground passing game TFC was playing. Hall was another poor sub as he gave the ball away too many times. And Koevermans for 5 mins really doesn't do much.
-Another lesson learned for Nelsen, but I really did liked the passing game for first 65 mins.

Yohan
07-04-2013, 11:24 AM
Oh yeah. Fuck Toledo, Fuck Fuck Toledo

One of worst reffing displays even by Toledo's standards. He has to work very hard merely to disappoint me.

Missed a blatant tug by Nesta on Silva during his whiffed shot that should have been a PK. Which I suppose evens out with a di Vaio offside goal which was not. Players were being manhandled and bowled over (for both sides) and no calls from Toledo

Phil
07-04-2013, 11:35 AM
That was what the EX security originally wanted. In all honesty it wasn't one of our guys who had the flare. It was someone who joined the march along the way to BMO. So even if we had a name to give (and assuming we'd sell out another supporter), we don't even know who it was.

What is comes down to, if they had the right guy, fine. But they don't. They admitted they don't. And changed the reason for the ban from flare to trying to incite an incident with the Mtl supporters. Something that has been done numerous times.

There's more to the discussion going on in this thread. http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?34462-Justice-for-Matt

Essentially this is allowing the EX security to pull anyone out of a crowd and ban them for no real reason.

I have posted a reply in that thread.

Cheers

spark
07-04-2013, 12:11 PM
Just watched the two Montreal goals again. I definitely don't point all the blame at Richter. The first Caldwell really should have done better with the initial cross. The ball flicked backwards behind Richter, who's momentum was carrying him past the ball. It was more unfortunately for Richter rather than "his fault". The second goal you can point a lot of fingers to Lambe who is totally asleep when the ball is cleared by Richter the second time. I thought Richter did well to get in front of the Montreal player to get the ball back again, then cleared directly to Lambe's feet, and Lambe was totally snoozing and let the Montreal player get in front of him and get the ball and gain possession. If Lambe is awake at that point, he gets possession of the ball and either turns with the ball, or clears to touch himself. If anybody is blaming Richter for the "poor clearance", you equally have to blame Lambe for not being awake in a position where he needs to be aware of his surroundings and quick enough to react when the ball is kicked straight at him.

To be fair to Lambe (who I'm not a fan of) yes he should be aware of his surroundings but does not have eyes in the back of his head. Richter should have been able to see clearly Brovsky was about 3 feet away from him and already making his run to close distance. It was a poor decision to pass to a teammate who was marked near the edge of the 18 yard box. Also poor to not recognize that, for example, it was Lambe, not Laba who he was passing to - who has the skill to retain possession but Lambe does not. Lambe certainly offered nothing on that play in terms of getting open and fighting to keep it, but IMO it was an extremely poor decision from Richter, who of late, has consistently turned over the ball on the first pass coming out of our end.

Yohan
07-04-2013, 12:14 PM
Massive thanks to tfc fan services who got my elderly parents seats in a seating section for 111 seats despite the game being a 'sell out'

T-boy
07-04-2013, 12:16 PM
To be fair to Lambe (who I'm not a fan of) yes he should be aware of his surroundings but does not have eyes in the back of his head. Richter should have been able to see clearly Brovsky was about 3 feet away from him and already making his run to close distance. It was a poor decision to pass to a teammate who was marked near the edge of the 18 yard box. Also poor to not recognize that, for example, it was Lambe, not Laba who he was passing to - who has the skill to retain possession but Lambe does not. Lambe certainly offered nothing on that play in terms of getting open and fighting to keep it, but IMO it was an extremely poor decision from Richter, who of late, has consistently turned over the ball on the first pass coming out of our end.

To be fair to Richter, I don't think it was a "pass" to Lambe. It was just a clearance. It was near on a foul by the Montreal player tugging him back, and Richters clearance ended up flat, no height, and not a strong kick. I don't think he was intending to put it low at Lambe. But Lambe still needs to react quicker when the ball ends up coming towards him. The Montreal player completely robbed Lambe, picked his pocket, and then the ball was turned over.

Red I
07-04-2013, 12:20 PM
I will start by saying Ecks > Richter

...let me add Russel > Hall

T-boy
07-04-2013, 12:20 PM
Hall was another poor sub as he gave the ball away too many times.

I think Hall was a fine sub in theory. Hall has been playing well lately, and not giving many/any balls away in midfield. I think Nelson expected Hall to go on and play as he has been playing lately. Nelson could never have expected Hall to come on and play badly suddenly. Even the best coach in the world wouldn't expect a player who has been playing consistently well, to come on and have a stinker out of nowhere!

It might just be the case that Hall isn't a sub player - some guys are natural "super subs" and come on and change a game, while others sub in and find it difficult to get into the game, and pace of the game, half way through. Hall may just be the latter type of player. Seeing how Hall didn't adapt to the speed of the game as a sub, I would think twice about using Hall as a sub again, he's clearly a better starter than substitute.

Thomas
07-04-2013, 12:23 PM
Good summary Yohan. A bit generous rating for Silva, me thinks.

Red I
07-04-2013, 12:35 PM
I think you're right about this. Almost looked like he was running with pain. He needs reserve minutes or something else. He'll ruin it again playing at game pace in MLS.

Something that seems to be ignored is the subtle truth that it appears that MLSE has the stones to pay for world-class players. I love Koevs as much as the next person, but if ownership wanted to bring a world-class, cup winning, National team playing superstar, it wouldn't be hard to argue with replacing him. Or if they kept him as a non-DP contract.

brad
07-04-2013, 01:54 PM
Something that seems to be ignored is the subtle truth that it appears that MLSE has the stones to pay for world-class players. I love Koevs as much as the next person, but if ownership wanted to bring a world-class, cup winning, National team playing superstar, it wouldn't be hard to argue with replacing him. Or if they kept him as a non-DP contract.

Koevs started slow like this last year as well and then went on a scoring run before injuring himself. I do think it's worth giving him a shot at getting up to fitness to see if he can do it again. He's under contract this year, so unless we can find someone to take him off our hands (unlikely) he's taking the cap space as it is, so we might as well use him. Of course, none of that means we can't/shouldn't be pursuing a replacement at the same time.

ag futbol
07-04-2013, 02:06 PM
To be fair to Richter, I don't think it was a "pass" to Lambe. It was just a clearance. It was near on a foul by the Montreal player tugging him back, and Richters clearance ended up flat, no height, and not a strong kick. I don't think he was intending to put it low at Lambe. But Lambe still needs to react quicker when the ball ends up coming towards him. The Montreal player completely robbed Lambe, picked his pocket, and then the ball was turned over.
Professional footballer, he should be able to clear a ball without any questions. The fact that he had a second attempt at it and made the same mistake and we got burned for it has to be a real point of contention. That being said, I think the larger point is what Digz mentioned earlier: that we were too quick to bunker and play balls over the top, which just lead to relentless pressure in the second half and we eventually cracked.

Doesn't look to me like Koevermans is anywhere near pre-injury form. It's still worth giving him a run-out regardless, but let's face it: injury like that for a player his age is always going to be an uphill battle. Very much doubt he's around opening day 2014.

nonc
07-04-2013, 02:50 PM
Just watched the two Montreal goals again. I definitely don't point all the blame at Richter. The first Caldwell really should have done better with the initial cross. The ball flicked backwards behind Richter, who's momentum was carrying him past the ball. It was more unfortunately for Richter rather than "his fault". The second goal you can point a lot of fingers to Lambe who is totally asleep when the ball is cleared by Richter the second time. I thought Richter did well to get in front of the Montreal player to get the ball back again, then cleared directly to Lambe's feet, and Lambe was totally snoozing and let the Montreal player get in front of him and get the ball and gain possession. If Lambe is awake at that point, he gets possession of the ball and either turns with the ball, or clears to touch himself. If anybody is blaming Richter for the "poor clearance", you equally have to blame Lambe for not being awake in a position where he needs to be aware of his surroundings and quick enough to react when the ball is kicked straight at him.

lol. nobody with a shred of credibility blames the player who receives such a horrible hospital pass with opposition right on their back. it was a mistake by richter, lambe doesn't have anything to do with it.

nonc
07-04-2013, 03:00 PM
to everyone judging koevermans, i don't think the guy has even played 180 minutes since coming back from a significant layoff. he may not be the same player but at this point we don't know and may never know, as i believe TFC are trying to phase him out or push his buttons just enough so that he'll willingly leave early. no matter what happens remember this guys goal-scoring reputability was maybe the organizational highlight through 6 years.

that said silva and brockie were excellent and should start the next match.

Red I
07-04-2013, 03:13 PM
to everyone judging koevermans, i don't think the guy has even played 180 minutes since coming back from a significant layoff. he may not be the same player but at this point we don't know and may never know, as i believe TFC are trying to phase him out or push his buttons just enough so that he'll willingly leave early. no matter what happens remember this guys goal-scoring reputability was maybe the organizational highlight through 6 years.

that said silva and brockie were excellent and should start the next match.

Ya, if he regains his past form, pretty much lights out in front of goal. I'm crossing my fingers that DK makes a comeback, and reminds the league how dangerous he can be

Ajax TFC
07-04-2013, 04:32 PM
I still want to see Silva play as the #10 behind Koevermans and Brockie. That would be the ultimate attacking trio IMO.

Blakfish
07-04-2013, 04:38 PM
I thought Laba was stunning yesterday. He was all over the pitch making vital interceptions, and then finding players with excellent vision and distribution. Thought he deserved MOTM, although Brockie was also excellent. I love the way Brockie plays - he's not afraid to get stuck in and throw himself about. Great finish from him for the equalizer, would have loved to see that shot at the end of the game go the right side of the post. Shame we're going to have to wave goodbye to him next month, he'll be missed. Koevs does seem a little slow off the blocks, I'm hoping this is due to the injury and he can regain fitness, but I fear otherwise. I think he's very close to being done completely - Brockie would be a great replacement in my opinion.. if only.

Caldwell is a fantastic signing for us. His experience is key and he controls the back line with the organization and intelligence you would expect from a player who's been around as long as he has. Also dangerous going forward as we saw with that net-splitter of a header yesterday. O'Dea had another good game at LB (despite the mistake..), his goal was excellent and I thought as a whole he linked up with Convey really well. Convey needs to run forward down the wing more though - there were many times last night when him and O'Dea linked up well, then he would just stop and sit back. I understand the need to cover defensively when a defender pushes up like O'Dea was doing all game, but there was a lot of underutilized space further up on the left flank which could have helped us augment some more attacking situations.

We are well on the way to being a good, playoff contending team. Not going to happen this season, but I think (most of) the building blocks are in place for us. I thought there were many positives to take from last nights game, and once the silly errors are cleaned up we're gonna have some fun.

Also, the south end was excellent last night. Evening game, local rivals, a proper match. Let's keep this momentum going for the rest of the season - I'm sure our support last night spurred the players on that extra little bit.

T-boy
07-04-2013, 04:42 PM
lol. nobody with a shred of credibility blames the player who receives such a horrible hospital pass with opposition right on their back. it was a mistake by richter, lambe doesn't have anything to do with it.

That's for calling me un-credible. I still disagree. Lambe should have dealt with the ball rather than being completely asleep. He was robbed blind my the Montreal player. If I'm playing rec soccer in the park and one of the players is robbed like that, I would laugh at them!

ensco
07-04-2013, 04:59 PM
to everyone judging koevermans, i don't think the guy has even played 180 minutes since coming back from a significant layoff. he may not be the same player but at this point we don't know and may never know, as i believe TFC are trying to phase him out or push his buttons just enough so that he'll willingly leave early.

Nobody is judging Koevs. I can see with my own eyes that he should not be out there. He should be practicing. Maybe. He's not even fit for reserve games.

So why is he out there?

Something tells me that the insurance company paid up for Frings, and is getting skittish about having another big settlement right away.

I don't like being party to a farce, where a player who can't play gets put on the field so he can prove to the insurers that he can't go anymore. This doesn't happen near so often in other sports, but seems to be part of soccer. I don't like it, it's inhumane and disrespectful to the player and to the fans.

The rules around insurance settlements are the least well covered part of sports.

jloome
07-04-2013, 05:09 PM
Nobody is judging Koevs. I can see with my own eyes that he should not be out there. He should be practicing. Maybe. He's not even fit for reserve games.

So why is he out there?

Something tells me that the insurance company paid up for Frings, and is getting skittish about having another big settlement right away.

I don't like being party to a farce, where a player who can't play gets put on the field so he can prove to the insurers that he can't go anymore. This doesn't happen near so often in other sports, but seems to be part of soccer. I don't like it, it's inhumane and disrespectful to the player and to the fans.

The rules around insurance settlements are the least well covered part of sports.

Eugene, we've been discussing things long enough now that you should realize "sorry, you're wrong" does not count as informed position to me. I saw the man outsprint a fullback. GO back and watch the replay from the RSL game. Then at least argue how awkward he looks when running, which I'll concede.

In fact, he has always looked stiff and awkward when running. Right now, he looks doubly so. The first time he had a serious injury for us, it took him five games back before he started scoring again, and I saw signs in the RSL game that he was in the right places and the right times to do it. Beyond that, he's scored two goals in a reserve game.

So he's not totally crocked. I see little point in not getting him into games late considering our other option is Justin Braun, a middling player at best even compared to a half-speed Koevermans.

Additionally, the Frings comparison is specious. He was playing full games in our midfield next to Terry Dunfield; between his lack of speed and Dunfield's general lack of quality, that was a big contributor to us being repeatedly overrun. How does bringing in an aging DP striker in the final minutes of a draw compare with that exactly?

Give the guy a few games, see if it gets better. It's not doing us any harm and there are indications, at least from his reserve performance and his general positioning versus RSL, that you might be wrong.

BuSaPuNk
07-04-2013, 06:28 PM
Rewatching that one goal you can't blame Caldwell. Headed forward took a tip off a montreal arm and fell perfectly for them. Caldwell is a beast. Love this guy.

jazzy
07-04-2013, 06:40 PM
Here's what I saw:

In the first half we saw something that this team has never really had - wide play. Convey and O'Dea were dominating the left side with overlapping plays and were cuting into the middle of the park. It was amazing to watch how simple and effective an offense can. Lambe contributed nothing in that regard and Richter was admirable and provided more offense. Nelsen then pulled back the reigns on Convey and O'Dea in the second half and we went back to our normal offense, that is, the wingers play the ball back to our fullbacks and the guys with the worst touch on the team hoof it up the park. THIS IS THE PROBLEM. When you're trying to protect the lead it's imperative that you have possession. When you get the ball make 2-3 passes then launch it up the field the likelihood of you having to defend again is substantial. Did anyone else notice Camara took over the game or Nesta's patience? We need to swing it around the back more an be more patient otherwise these results will continue.

right or wrong these are interesting points. However I think Nesta patience? is due to his age and lack of speed . Aboosemond? left him in his wake once down low...kudos to the kid for showing him no respect . We do lose something in our second halfs esp when we are leading , our only hope is possesion AND attack, at least if we have to lose lets give aggresion a shot.

jazzy
07-04-2013, 06:46 PM
Just watched the two Montreal goals again. I definitely don't point all the blame at Richter. The first Caldwell really should have done better with the initial cross. The ball flicked backwards behind Richter, who's momentum was carrying him past the ball. It was more unfortunately for Richter rather than "his fault". The second goal you can point a lot of fingers to Lambe who is totally asleep when the ball is cleared by Richter the second time. I thought Richter did well to get in front of the Montreal player to get the ball back again, then cleared directly to Lambe's feet, and Lambe was totally snoozing and let the Montreal player get in front of him and get the ball and gain possession. If Lambe is awake at that point, he gets possession of the ball and either turns with the ball, or clears to touch himself. If anybody is blaming Richter for the "poor clearance", you equally have to blame Lambe for not being awake in a position where he needs to be aware of his surroundings and quick enough to react when the ball is kicked straight at him.

Sadly there is no hope for Lambe , yes he has speed but not much a student of the game.....he's had enough time esp with his int-spot.

Yohan
07-04-2013, 06:59 PM
Sadly there is no hope for Lambe , yes he has speed but not much a student of the game.....he's had enough time esp with his int-spot.
I think I have to agree. Shown nothing much to be more than a depth winger in MLS, despite his relatively young age.

Yohan
07-04-2013, 07:58 PM
Just a final note, I like to think it was a deliberate tactical decision, but Bernier was taken out of the game completely. He's been Montreal's MVP along with di Vaio this season, but he has never been subbed out when he started so far this season (and at 66mins to boot). It was necessary tactical adjustment for Mtl to try to get back in the game (and it worked), but I like to think Nelsen marked out Bernier and had Laba and Russell hound him to reduce him so ineffective.

nonc
07-04-2013, 08:42 PM
That's for calling me un-credible. I still disagree. Lambe should have dealt with the ball rather than being completely asleep. He was robbed blind my the Montreal player. If I'm playing rec soccer in the park and one of the players is robbed like that, I would laugh at them!

you are wrong. lambe was not asleep he was covered and given an awful pass that never should have been made, it was going to be intercepted the moment richter decided not to clear like he should have. if you were in the park and saw that and laughed at the recipient of such a poor play, they'd probably laugh back at you for not having a clue.

lambe vs. impact is also one of the only tfc players this year to receive multiple attacking bonuses in fantasy. 1 for (3) key passes and 1 for setting up brockie's point blank miss. but he isn't a starter i concede.

Abou Sky
07-04-2013, 09:19 PM
I still want to see Silva play as the #10 behind Koevermans and Brockie. That would be the ultimate attacking trio IMO.

+1

I think we need Ecks back to do that though so we can play 4-1-3-2 with Oso and Convey out wide.

Until Ecks is back we don't have enough Defense to have only one holding mid IMO

ensco
07-04-2013, 09:28 PM
Eugene, we've been discussing things long enough now that you should realize "sorry, you're wrong" does not count as informed position to me. I saw the man outsprint a fullback. GO back and watch the replay from the RSL game. Then at least argue how awkward he looks when running, which I'll concede.

In fact, he has always looked stiff and awkward when running. Right now, he looks doubly so. The first time he had a serious injury for us, it took him five games back before he started scoring again, and I saw signs in the RSL game that he was in the right places and the right times to do it. Beyond that, he's scored two goals in a reserve game.

So he's not totally crocked. I see little point in not getting him into games late considering our other option is Justin Braun, a middling player at best even compared to a half-speed Koevermans.

Additionally, the Frings comparison is specious. He was playing full games in our midfield next to Terry Dunfield; between his lack of speed and Dunfield's general lack of quality, that was a big contributor to us being repeatedly overrun. How does bringing in an aging DP striker in the final minutes of a draw compare with that exactly?

Give the guy a few games, see if it gets better. It's not doing us any harm and there are indications, at least from his reserve performance and his general positioning versus RSL, that you might be wrong.

I watched him run at field level. I didn't see the RSL snippet you are talking about but it's an aberration based on what I saw. He shouldn't be out there.

I think he's done. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

brad
07-04-2013, 09:52 PM
Nobody is judging Koevs. I can see with my own eyes that he should not be out there. He should be practicing. Maybe. He's not even fit for reserve games.

So why is he out there?

Something tells me that the insurance company paid up for Frings, and is getting skittish about having another big settlement right away.

I don't like being party to a farce, where a player who can't play gets put on the field so he can prove to the insurers that he can't go anymore. This doesn't happen near so often in other sports, but seems to be part of soccer. I don't like it, it's inhumane and disrespectful to the player and to the fans.

The rules around insurance settlements are the least well covered part of sports.

Can I offer an alternate scenario? We have one of the most lethal finishers in the history of the league (second best goals/minute rate - excluding players that played a couple of games and scored). He is out of contract at the end of the year. The season is a write off, so why not put him out there and let him regain his fitness and see what he can do. If he regains the scoring touch, or even part of it, he'd be worth trying to keep around (as a non-DP at a reduced salary).

I have a hunch he is done as well. That said, he has never looked mobile. And as mentioned, he looked crocked when he returned last year, we were having the same discussion then, and then started banging them in for fun. It's worth the risk IMHO - since there really is no risk.

ensco
07-04-2013, 09:56 PM
^ I accept the "what the hell, let's see what he's got" philosophy you and jloome and others are suggesting. Agreed.

What bothers me is the idea that he may be forced to play even though he is unfit, in order to get paid and/or trigger his insurance settlement.

That is ugly, if true.

I am pretty suspicious it's the latter not the former.

Richard
07-04-2013, 09:59 PM
So what if Koevs is slow, he has the natural instincts to get into the right positions at the right time. Just get the ball to him and he scores goals for fun. He is your prototypical target man, with pretty damn good technique and skill. I actually think they should start him, I would hate for TFC to not give him a chance and prove he still has what it takes to play.

jloome
07-04-2013, 11:27 PM
So what if Koevs is slow, he has the natural instincts to get into the right positions at the right time. Just get the ball to him and he scores goals for fun. He is your prototypical target man, with pretty damn good technique and skill. I actually think they should start him, I would hate for TFC to not give him a chance and prove he still has what it takes to play.

I think we should start him beside Brockie, see what happens. Either he can hack it or he can't; better to expose it over a couple of starts and maybe reap the benefit in the alternative.

We should try to buy Brockie. He's got a great quick shot release and knows how to make space for himself.

The first game against Montreal was largely down to our midfield dominating theirs centrally; Laba is a pretty brilliant holder by MLS standard, very much the equal of a Ossie Alonso or a Beckerman. And Russell was a revelation centrally because of his ability to switch the play at a much higher tempo than hall, which allowed us to move upfield more quickly.

When they put in Warner and Nyassi, their improvement in speed on the flank caught us a bit flat footed.

brad
07-05-2013, 07:24 AM
I'd love to see us land Brockie. I think he could develop into a hell of an MLS player. I could also see him becoming a bit of a fan favorite with his style of play (not that that should ever factor into purchase's)

Stress
07-05-2013, 08:38 AM
Wow dropping those 2 points stings even more after seeing all of the other mid week results. This was definitely our chance to close the gap.

Ivy
07-05-2013, 08:51 AM
Wow dropping those 2 points stings even more after seeing all of the other mid week results. This was definitely our chance to close the gap.
As surprising as it is, TFC went from 11 points out of playoffs to 10. So technically the cap was closed. Alittle. :)

BuSaPuNk
07-05-2013, 09:04 AM
^ progress slowly but surely

Yohan
07-05-2013, 09:22 AM
We should try to buy Brockie. He's got a great quick shot release and knows how to make space for himself.

too expensive for TFC, unless you think he's worth DP label b/c he's going to be a 15 goal scorer like Saborio