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evermorian
04-25-2013, 05:34 PM
I know its way too short a time to judge Nelson, and probably should wait until after the season to do this, but how do you think Nelson compares to the other coaches in TFC's history? I think he will be one of the best in my opinion, although it helps to have a competent football president at the helm too. What are your thoughts?

prizby
04-25-2013, 05:41 PM
how many ccl semi-finals does he have on his resume?

Yohan
04-25-2013, 05:42 PM
you can't be the greatest TFC coach without winning a V Cup or drawing a Mexican team at least once. this is the truth.

TFC07
04-25-2013, 06:05 PM
Aron Winter is greatest TFC coach! :o

OgtheDim
04-25-2013, 06:10 PM
Oh look....its a troll trap thread.

trane
04-25-2013, 06:14 PM
A touch premature? I like what I see, but common. I am not sure that not even a third of a season is enough to declare him the best ever.

WestStandGeoff
04-25-2013, 06:16 PM
Troll trap indeed!

I think there needs to be a warning at the top of this thread that you need to blow at least a .15 before you can comment. We need some angry drunken rants here!

Auzzy
04-25-2013, 06:18 PM
I think that Ryan Nelson is the greatest coach of TFC's modern era. I'm not going to tell you exactly when that modern era started though.

CommradePolski
04-25-2013, 07:37 PM
Guys

Guys

Stahp

Just Stahp

Everyone knows the greatest TFC coach will forever be Paul "I like to wear shorts and dont remember any of the matches I coached because I...hey look a whiskey shot glass thats full better empty it into my mouth for safe keeping" Mariner.

Shakes McQueen
04-25-2013, 07:46 PM
The actual first post in this thread is far milder than the ridiculous thread title.

Though it would be a pretty sad and hilarious bit of commentary if he was overwhelmingly considered the "best" coach in TFC history after like two months -- gives you an idea of where the bar is.

- Scott

cochrdoc
04-25-2013, 07:56 PM
For a coach to have no experiance,He has the team going in the right direction.Now if he can improve them in the last 15 minutes and defending corner kicks we might get some where.We should change our strategy and put 3 up front in extra time when we have the lead,because all we do is kick it up field and have the other teams defenders collect it and drive it down our throats.So discouraging watching late into the game

Abou Sky
04-25-2013, 10:03 PM
I think that Ryan Nelson is the greatest coach of TFC's modern era. I'm not going to tell you exactly when that modern era started though.

This joke may never get old.

evermorian
04-25-2013, 11:51 PM
Oh look....its a troll trap thread.

I'm not a troll. The title is misleading, and I apologize for that. I've supported this team since its inception, seeing such famous scenese such as when Danny Dichio scored his infamous goal to when the entire crowd threw those bleacher seats on to the field, albeit from a t.v. screen from the west coast. I was just wondering how you all would rate Nelson compared to the rest of TFC coaches. He has not reached the concacaf semi-finals yet, or even made the playoffs, but he seems to have a good handle on the situation and gives one confidence in his abilities as a coach as opposed to Winter and Mariner. Just wondering what people thought is all.

Stouffville_RPB
04-26-2013, 12:06 AM
On ya what we were all dreaming about 1 win in 7 games. If that isn't greatness I don't know what is. Lets pop the champagne. Strippers for everyone.

Brooker
04-26-2013, 05:37 AM
Everyone knows the greatest TFC coach will forever be Paul "I like to wear shorts and dont remember any of the matches I coached because I...hey look a whiskey shot glass thats full better empty it into my mouth for safe keeping" Mariner.

In all seriousness, these Paul Mariner alcoholic jokes are really getting.... a bit much.

Especially considering what goes on in the south end on game days. pot/kettle. :yum:

OgtheDim
04-26-2013, 06:38 AM
I'm not a troll. ...

Oh, I don't think you're a troll. I was more commenting on the probable responses to this discussion point.

"Look, you kool aid drinkers think the guy with no badges is the second coming!" Heck, if his team hadn't lost to us on Wednesday, there is at least one troll who would have been all over this thread. That being the same guy who was calling for Nelson to be fired after last Saturday's game.


As to the OP, its an interesting question. All I can say is that at this point in his tenure, Nelson compares favourably behaviour wise to all the other coaches we have had - I'd put him and Carver on the same level.

Fort York Redcoat
04-26-2013, 07:12 AM
how many ccl semi-finals does he have on his resume?


you can't be the greatest TFC coach without winning a V Cup or drawing a Mexican team at least once. this is the truth.

Interesting. Now what would you two distinguished posters* think after a season of crapping out of the CCL or Vcup but making the playoffs and advancing 1,2,3 rounds? I know I wouldn't rate it as high but I'd like to hear your take, everyone's take.



*on second look this term looks facetious. I assure you it is not.

Fort York Redcoat
04-26-2013, 07:14 AM
I'm not a troll. Just wondering what people thought is all.


Oh, I don't think you're a troll. I was more commenting on the probable responses to this discussion point.

I think this could be a good thread to check into throughout the season. Still early but it would've started sometime.

tfcleeds
04-26-2013, 07:55 AM
No, I don't think Nelson is the greatest coach in the club's short history. I agree that it's possible at the end of his tenure that Nelsen could be, but who is Nelson? Sorry, just one of my little pet peeves. You'd think after a few months people could spell his name properly.

tfcmanu
04-26-2013, 07:57 AM
JOHN CARVER....We will see with Nelsen.

Auzzy
04-26-2013, 07:58 AM
No, I don't think Nelson is the greatest coach in the club's short history. I agree that it's possible at the end of his tenure that Nelsen could be, but who is Nelson? Sorry, just one of my little pet peeves. You'd think after a few months people could spell his name properly.

Ha ha, oops, guilty as charged! My lawyer would like to raise a point, in defense: I copied the spelling off the OP. ;)

Oldtimer
04-26-2013, 08:20 AM
I know its way too short a time to judge Nelson

So why did you start this thread?

Jack
04-26-2013, 08:30 AM
In all seriousness, these Paul Mariner alcoholic jokes are really getting.... a bit much.

Especially considering what goes on in the south end on game days. pot/kettle. :yum:
Takes one to know one?

TOBOR !
04-26-2013, 08:40 AM
I think Nelsen is the greatest TFC coach so far this season. It remains to be seen whether this will also be true at the end of it.

Oldtimer
04-26-2013, 08:43 AM
I think Nelsen is the greatest TFC coach so far this season. It remains to be seen whether this will also be true at the end of it.

I think you said it best.

Canary10
04-26-2013, 10:29 AM
I'm waiting for this thread to show up in a Rollins tweet about how RPB has annointed Nelsen god.....

Phil
04-26-2013, 10:32 AM
I'm waiting for this thread to show up in a Rollins tweet about how RPB has annointed Nelsen god.....

LOL, I was just thinking about that. God knows we get all the jabs for hosting conversations like this.

Is he the best - nope. Can he be? Sure! What will it take - time and results. We don't have enough time to make any real jusdgent let alone a proclomation.

It is nice to have some positivity though, much better than shitting all over the team and support.

KGH
04-26-2013, 10:45 AM
Technically by results of win % he's the worst:



Coach
Nation
From
To
Record1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC#endnote_a)






G
W
L
T
%
PPG


Mo Johnston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Johnston)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Flag_of_Scotland.svg/22px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland)
August 22, 2006
February 1, 2008
30
6
17
7
20.00
0.83


John Carver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carver_(footballer))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
February 1, 2008
April 25, 2009
36
11
15
10
30.56
1.19


Chris Cummins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cummins_(football_coach))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
April 29, 2009
October 24, 2009
31
12
11
8
38.71
1.42


Preki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preki)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
November 19, 2009
September 14, 2010
32
11
11
10
34.38
1.34


Nick Dasovic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Dasovic)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
September 14, 2010
January 6, 2011
10
3
4
3
30.00
1.2


Aron Winter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aron_Winter)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)
January 6, 2011
June 7, 2012
64
18
25
21
28.13
1.17


Paul Mariner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mariner)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
June 7, 2012
January 7, 2013
28
6
14
8
21.43
0.93


Ryan Nelsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Nelsen)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/22px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand)
January 7, 2013
present
6
1
2
3
16.67
1.00


Just saying...


EDIT: Added ppts / game. Statically cummings is the greatest coach so far. :hide:

brad
04-26-2013, 11:06 AM
Interesting. Now what would you two distinguished posters* think after a season of crapping out of the CCL or Vcup but making the playoffs and advancing 1,2,3 rounds? I know I wouldn't rate it as high but I'd like to hear your take, everyone's take.



*on second look this term looks facetious. I assure you it is not.

Well - I'm not distinguished - but by 2 cents. :)

League over cup for me - but league means supports shield to me. MLS is just like another cup to me - not a Championship.

I rate the CCL higher than it, so your scenario wouldn't be ideal.

Fort York Redcoat
04-26-2013, 11:32 AM
^oh your distinguished for several other reasons though.:)


20 different reasons.g:D

Oldtimer
04-26-2013, 11:38 AM
Technically by results of win % he's the worst:



Coach
Nation
From
To
Record1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC#endnote_a)






G
W
L
T
%
PPG


Mo Johnston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Johnston)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Flag_of_Scotland.svg/22px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland)
August 22, 2006
February 1, 2008
30
6
17
7
20.00
0.83


John Carver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carver_(footballer))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
February 1, 2008
April 25, 2009
36
11
15
10
30.56
1.19


Chris Cummins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cummins_(football_coach))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
April 29, 2009
October 24, 2009
31
12
11
8
38.71
1.42


Preki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preki)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
November 19, 2009
September 14, 2010
32
11
11
10
34.38
1.34


Nick Dasovic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Dasovic)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
September 14, 2010
January 6, 2011
10
3
4
3
30.00
1.2


Aron Winter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aron_Winter)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)
January 6, 2011
June 7, 2012
64
18
25
21
28.13
1.17


Paul Mariner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mariner)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
June 7, 2012
January 7, 2013
28
6
14
8
21.43
0.93


Ryan Nelsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Nelsen)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/22px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand)
January 7, 2013
present
6
1
2
3
16.67
1.00


Just saying...


EDIT: Added ppts / game. Statically cummings is the greatest coach so far. :hide:

No need to hide under a chair, Cummins is recognized around here as having the best record. Who knows what would have happened if he had stayed and Mo had kept his nose out of the locker-room.

On a points per game basis, Nelsen is ahead of Mo and Mr. Shorty-Pants.

Look, the sample size is too small, the team isn't near being completely rebuilt, there is no way one can give a final judgement on Nelsen's ability - good or bad.

The guy starting this thread has had his fun, but seriously I'd rather discuss new players and the rebuilding plans. This year was always going to be a write off in terms of playoffs, I'm pleased with the direction so far, but how we'll judge him will be apparent in a year or so.

brad
04-26-2013, 11:39 AM
^oh your distinguished for several other reasons though.:)


20 different reasons.g:D

I approve of this post :D

Jack
04-26-2013, 11:45 AM
Man, look at how short each manager's time with us was. I hope Nelsen gets to 100 matches, at least.

MKR
04-26-2013, 12:15 PM
man i forget sometimes cummins was every really a coach. Always think of him as the interim coach after Carver up and left.

CoachGT
04-26-2013, 05:13 PM
On ya what we were all dreaming about 1 win in 7 games. If that isn't greatness I don't know what is. Lets pop the champagne. Strippers for everyone.

Pretty much where things are right now.

HuTor
04-27-2013, 05:07 PM
Of course, that's clear as the sun, Nelsen having 1 won game in 8 tries in the league is the best coach ever TFC had.

.... PS:
Since I was born into this world, my dream was to be supporter of a team who's best coach ever will have 1 won games from 8 league plays.

:drinking: :hump:

Yohan
04-28-2013, 11:05 AM
Nelsen will be the greatest TFC manager ever if he can figure out how to stop the late game goal leaks!

razor787
04-29-2013, 05:32 AM
No need to hide under a chair, Cummins is recognized around here as having the best record. Who knows what would have happened if he had stayed and Mo had kept his nose out of the locker-room.

Cummins left becausehis wife and daughters could not get the working visa's that they thought they could get. From what I heard, Cummins wanted to stay, but because they had to stay in England, he decided to leave.

CoachGT
04-29-2013, 09:43 PM
Cummins left becausehis wife and daughters could not get the working visa's that they thought they could get. From what I heard, Cummins wanted to stay, but because they had to stay in England, he decided to leave.


Go a step further - he was expecting them to come here, and left when they were not able to.

Most of the truly technical coaches I know that have associations with the professional game think Cummins was the best so far. I take their word for it.

In 10 years, we may be able to say Nelsen is the best we have had, but I think anyone needs four or five good seasons work. Winter holds the record for longevity in days in the job and games played. But personally, until someone reaches the .500 mark or better for more than one season coaching, the concept of "greatest" holds about as much meaning as being the largest wheatfield in Saskatchewan to someone in Nova Scotia - it may be interesting but it is really meaningless.

Dv23
04-29-2013, 10:47 PM
I remember that I once poked fun at Cummins' tendency to repeat this one particular word in all of his interviews. This was on the youtube or facebook page for TFC, I believe. Couple of hours later, his sister added me on Facebook. She was legit. Had pictures of him, their entire family, and everything. We would talk every so often about him and the team. Pretty funny stuff.

JoeyB
04-29-2013, 11:14 PM
Nelsen will be the greatest TFC manager ever if he can figure out how to stop the late game goal leaks!

Why? cause he abandoned QPR is it's relegation fight this year to summer on Lake Ontario? Cause he's from the land where they filmed Lord of the Rings? Cause he's super sexy and has a square jaw? Cause he has a failed NCAA div 3 assistant coach? Cause he's going to turn Justin Braun into the new Pele?


I simply don't get it. 7 points in 7 games. Call me when we get to play-offs. At that point we can rename Pape Subway after him.

notthesun
04-30-2013, 02:57 AM
Why? cause he abandoned QPR is it's relegation fight this year to summer on Lake Ontario? Cause he's from the land where they filmed Lord of the Rings? Cause he's super sexy and has a square jaw? Cause he has a failed NCAA div 3 assistant coach? Cause he's going to turn Justin Braun into the new Pele?


I simply don't get it. 7 points in 7 games. Call me when we get to play-offs. At that point we can rename Pape Subway after him.

Cause without late goals we'd be on 14 points from 7 games and 2nd in the conference. Do you not understand the word "if"?

KGH
05-01-2013, 09:09 PM
Updated:



Coach
Nation
From
To
Record1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC#endnote_a)






G
W
L
T
%
PPG


Mo Johnston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Johnston)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Flag_of_Scotland.svg/22px-Flag_of_Scotland.svg.png Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland)
August 22, 2006
February 1, 2008
30
6
17
7
20.00
0.83


John Carver (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carver_(footballer))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
February 1, 2008
April 25, 2009
36
11
15
10
30.56
1.19


Chris Cummins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cummins_(football_coach))
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
April 29, 2009
October 24, 2009
31
12
11
8
38.71
1.42


Preki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preki)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)
November 19, 2009
September 14, 2010
32
11
11
10
34.38
1.34


Nick Dasovic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Dasovic)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)
September 14, 2010
January 6, 2011
10
3
4
3
30.00
1.2


Aron Winter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aron_Winter)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands)
January 6, 2011
June 7, 2012
64
18
25
21
28.13
1.17


Paul Mariner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Mariner)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
June 7, 2012
January 7, 2013
28
6
14
8
21.43
0.93


Ryan Nelsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Nelsen)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg/22px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png New Zealand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand)
January 7, 2013
present
10
2
4
4
20.00
1.00




And now for the interesting stuff - First 10 matches by a coach:

Mo - 3 wins - 6 losess - 1 tie = 10 points
Cummings - 4 wins - 4 losses - 2 ties = 14 points
Preki - 5 wins - 3 losses - 2 ties = 17 points
Dasovic - 3 wins - 4 losses - 3 ties = 12 points
Winter - 3 wins - 3 losses - 4 ties = 13 points
Mariner - 4 wins - 2 losses - 4 ties = 20 points
Nelson - 2 wins - 4 losses - 4 ties = 10 points

So there it is. Tied for the worst start in a coach's career with TFC.

Fort York Redcoat
05-02-2013, 07:21 AM
Worse than Daso. I'm gonna take another look after 28 to do the Mariner comparison.

nfitz
05-02-2013, 08:46 AM
Not to be surprised when we hire a coach with absolutely no experience, and a GM whose glory days were nearly 20 years ago in MLS 1.0.

I guess the question is, can Nelsen grow into the job?

Oldtimer
05-02-2013, 08:52 AM
Not to be surprised when we hire a coach with absolutely no experience, and a GM whose glory days were nearly 20 years ago in MLS 1.0.

I guess the question is, can Nelsen grow into the job?

It has little to do with the coach or the GM, and a lot more to do with the process of rebuilding. Other teams are not going to give us their best players for nothing, so replacing the current USL-quality squad will take time.

ryan
05-02-2013, 08:54 AM
What's unfair of the first 10 comparison is the situation inherited by each coach at the beginning. It's not as if they all started off with an equal situation.

ag futbol
05-02-2013, 09:10 AM
Not to be surprised when we hire a coach with absolutely no experience, and a GM whose glory days were nearly 20 years ago in MLS 1.0.

I guess the question is, can Nelsen grow into the job?
I have no idea whether this front office will eventually be successful, but I hope someday people who follow this team can start to have a vision that extends beyond four weeks into the future.

If this mentality extended to all clubs in the league Columbus would have fired Sigi Schmid two years before they won the cup, San Jose would have fired "MLS 1.0 coach" Frank Yallop two years before they finished first in the league table, Dallas would have fired Schellas Hyndman before he turned their team around the first time and they probably would have fired him again when the team got sunk with injuries last year and they fell out of the playoffs.

It's necessary for this team to do things that are precursors to improvement before it actually improves. Can the coach keep the team in a good state tactically? Don't think we have a solid beat on that either way. There are certainly less bomb-scares defensively than we saw last year, but we lack something going forward. Some things look funny, but in perspective RN is dealing with an unfinished product. Can the front office identify the players it needs to in order to make the squad better? Earnshaw is a nice start. Minor points for Agboss, Califf, and Osorio. But again, yet to be determined. We can't expect to find all the players we want in one swoop and instantly improve. It will take a lot of time, effort, as well as trial-and-error. But if we get the occasional hit at a fair price, that shows that we are going somewhere.

Shway
05-02-2013, 10:43 AM
Nelsen joins John carver in the TFC history books for a coach not winning the VCUP

nfitz
05-02-2013, 11:47 AM
Nelsen joins John carver in the TFC history books for a coach not winning the VCUPAt least Carver beat Montreal 2-1 on aggregate that year (one win, one draw). It was our inability to deal with Vancouver that did us in (though beating Montreal in Toronto would have helped!). Still, Toronto looked better than Montreal that year. We certainly didn't look better last night.

The only saving grace, is that if Montreal keeps playing like that, and takes Champions League seriously, they might progress well into the quarter-finals. I'm not sure though, that I will enjoy that this time. 2008 was a long time ago.

prizby
05-02-2013, 01:25 PM
Nelsen joins John carver in the TFC history books for a coach not winning the VCUP

Nelsen becomes the first TFC manager to lose to montreal in the VCUP