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Yohan
04-14-2013, 08:37 PM
Houston is in form, winning 2-1 vs Chicago last game.

I'd be happy with a draw

Red CB Toronto
04-14-2013, 08:44 PM
The Reds can come away with the victory at home. Mr. Earnshaw will have another flip in him for sure.

Abou Sky
04-14-2013, 09:21 PM
2-1 tfc

West220Side
04-14-2013, 10:26 PM
Gotta play to win at home. Id be happy with a draw, id be going crazy with a win.
Hoping that we can win 2-0 would be a good confidence builder.
With Houston on 12pts and Toronto on 6pts a win here would be a well earned steal off of Houston and help us charge up the standings.

notthesun
04-14-2013, 10:41 PM
We could have some fullback trouble this weekend. I don't know if we are going to appeal Morgan's red card or if we do, if it'll be successful, so I'll leave him out for now. Eckersley in all likelihood won't be back. If Emory can fill in at LB then we can keep put Richter at RB if Russell and Ecks can't go.

------------Bendik--------------
Russell---Boss---O'Dea---Emory
Lambe---Silva----Hall----Ephraim
-----------Bostock-------------
----------Earnshaw-------------

Time to give Bostock his shot at CF. I see the Braun-Earnshaw 4-4-2 combo as more of an away game tactic, where we're less likely to have a good amount of possession so we play more direct, which Braun is useful for. At home I want to see us try to impose ourselves on the game more, with less long balls and more build up, and Bostock in the hole will lend himself better to that. The alternative is to play Silva in the hole, start Bekker or Osorio in mid and use Bostock as an impact subsitution. Personally though, I'd start him.

A draw would be a good result against Houston.

Yohan
04-14-2013, 11:09 PM
You can't appeal yellow cards and Emory is fit again to play LB

notthesun
04-14-2013, 11:24 PM
You can't appeal yellow cards and Emory is fit again to play LB

Not even 2nd yellows? Didn't know that.

And I actually totally forgot about Emory. Haven't heard a thing about him all year. If he can play LB that'd be better though.

Fort York Redcoat
04-15-2013, 07:47 AM
I'd love a win but expect a draw. And that's only because we're home. Houston had some fun against Chicago on the weekend.

T-boy
04-15-2013, 08:36 AM
Not even 2nd yellows? Didn't know that.

And I actually totally forgot about Emory. Haven't heard a thing about him all year. If he can play LB that'd be better though.

I thought it was a straight red for Morgan? How many games does he get if its violent conduct?

notthesun
04-15-2013, 01:17 PM
I thought it was a straight red for Morgan? How many games does he get if its violent conduct?

No it was a second yellow. The broadcast just didn't catch the ref pulling the yellow first.

Should just be 1 game though.

Stouffville_RPB
04-15-2013, 02:03 PM
2-0 loss.

Houston doesn't tend to make silly mistakes on defense as KC, Montreal and LA did when we played them. The Dynamo also know how to win so I don't see a FCD like collapse. I expect TFC to be the 2nd best team on the pitch by some margin in this game.

Yohan
04-15-2013, 02:09 PM
2-0 loss.

Houston doesn't tend to make silly mistakes on defense as KC, Montreal and LA did when we played them. The Dynamo also know how to win so I don't see a FCD like collapse. I expect TFC to be the 2nd best team on the pitch by some margin in this game.
we are going to get killed on flank plays as Davis and Boniek Garcia runs over whoever make shift FBs start for TFC. What I'd give to have Brad Davis for TFC

Stouffville_RPB
04-15-2013, 02:15 PM
we are going to get killed on flank plays as Davis and Boniek Garcia runs over whoever make shift FBs start for TFC. What I'd give to have Brad Davis for TFC

Houston have what could be the most complete midfield in MLS, a strong finisher in Bruin, a solid defense and a good keeper. This will be like no other team we've faced this year (KC was not KC when they played at the dome).

Abou Sky
04-15-2013, 02:22 PM
Although I predict 2-1 win for every game, I think that realistically we get stomped 3-1 or something painful.

On the plus side, Sky is doing player escort so maybe he meets Bruin. :-P

Carts
04-15-2013, 03:01 PM
They have been beaten twice, both on the road - so it's not quite mission impossible (but it's close)...

A 1-1 or 2-2 draw and remaining unbeaten at home would be great (that's the heart talking) but the head is saying 2-0 loss :( We sit at 1-0 down and press-press-press and give up something late on the counter...

Now, IF we can pull out a tie - I prefer a late game tying goal scored, not conceded - please & thanks LOL...

trane
04-15-2013, 03:57 PM
FUCK Dallas, park the bus and count on our number 10 to get something on the counter. Any team can be beaten, particularly in this league. We need to turn this shit around. And it has to start by making BMO a fortress

Alonso
04-15-2013, 06:10 PM
I'm in the FUCK Dallas camp ^^ !

This is definitely the winning strategy going forward.

"The ball is round bitches" - Dero.

khso11
04-15-2013, 06:37 PM
Not even 2nd yellows? Didn't know that.

And I actually totally forgot about Emory. Haven't heard a thing about him all year. If he can play LB that'd be better though.

i last time i saw him was on the All for One documentary, i don't even think he have appeared on the bench in regular season.

Yohan
04-15-2013, 06:42 PM
------------Bendik
Richter-Boss-O'Dea-Emory
Bostock-Hall-Osorio-Ephraim
------------Silva
----------Earnshaw

Nelsen cannot be pleased with how weak central midfielders were, unable to keep possession or generate offence. As much as I think Braun has been ok for TFC, gotta go 5 in mid, esp if Houston comes out 4-3-3 and tries to overrun the midfield, esp at FB. If Houston goes 3 CMs vs 2 TFC CMs, might as well be 3 vs 1 since Hall cannot pass for shit.

khso11
04-15-2013, 06:43 PM
4-4-2 (diamond)?

-------------------------Bendik-------------------
Richter/Russell/Ecks--Califf---O'dea----Russell/Emory
-------------------------Hall----------------------
Bostock ---------------------------------Ephraim
-----------------------Silva-----------------------
------------Earnshaw----------Braun---------------

or

-------------------------Bendik-------------------
Richter/Russell/Ecks--Califf---O'dea----Russell/Emory
-------------------------Hall----------------------
Bostock ---------------------------------Ephraim
-----------------------Silva-----------------------
----------Lambe----------------------------------
----------------------------Earnshaw-------------

Blizzard
04-15-2013, 10:09 PM
4-4-2 (diamond)?

-------------------------Bendik-------------------
Richter/Russell/Ecks--Califf---O'dea----Russell/Emory
-------------------------Hall----------------------
Bostock ---------------------------------Ephraim
-----------------------Silva-----------------------
------------Earnshaw----------Braun---------------

Yes, please!!!

jloome
04-15-2013, 11:35 PM
[QUOTE=torontofc;1574428]4-4-2 (diamond)?

-------------------------Bendik-------------------
Richter/Russell/Ecks--Califf---O'dea----Russell/Emory
-------------------------Hall----------------------
Bostock ---------------------------------Ephraim
-----------------------Silva-----------------------
------------Earnshaw----------Braun---------------

I'd agree with this. Isolates Hall as an anchor. I'd play Silva back flat as a central mid with two wide midfielders, instead of right in the hole, but otherwise basically the same. Houston has a stay-at-home, disciplined defense. In MLS you really need two attackers in the box to pull the central defenders out of position; Earnshaw can do that with movement and Braun by holding up the ball, Silva can come up and support attack. Works for me.

ensco
04-16-2013, 06:21 AM
Weather forecast for Saturday is horrible.

Abou Sky
04-16-2013, 06:49 AM
Weather forecast for Saturday is horrible.

Ah ensco the rpb perennial ray of sunshine :-P

ensco
04-16-2013, 06:58 AM
Ah ensco the rpb perennial ray of sunshine :-P

Awww that's not fair.

I am happier about the team than I have been in years, and have said so repeatedly. My only worry is people getting upset by the lack of onfield success.

How does high of 6 degrees and showers seem to you?

Joe Kool
04-16-2013, 06:58 AM
Weather forecast for Saturday is horrible.
It has time to change. Check it again Friday night. Weather forecasts are always wrong if more than 24hrs away.

Abou Sky
04-16-2013, 07:14 AM
It has time to change. Check it again Friday night. Weather forecasts are always wrong if more than 24hrs away.

See ensco, that is what I am talking about ;-)

Hope to meet you at the tailgate on Saturday, in the cold rain.

OgtheDim
04-16-2013, 10:06 AM
I seem to remember people talking two weeks ago about whether there would be walk up trade as the day was going to be gorgeous. Wait and see.

Fort York Redcoat
04-16-2013, 12:04 PM
Weather forecast for Saturday is horrible.

And today was to be showers all day starting last night. Nada yet (but I don't have an office window..).

notthesun
04-16-2013, 01:32 PM
My worry with playing a 4-1-2-1-2 or some variation with only one defensive mid is that that defensive mid has to be Hall... and he fucking sucks. I don't think he can carry that load by himself. I'd have no problem switching to it if we had a competent DM, like if Julio Cesar were still around or if Laba finally arrives. I'm also not sold on Braun as a starter, when Koef comes back that two strikers up top thing looks far, far better.

Some notes from training as per Larson, Nelsen was working with a backline of Richter at LB, O'Dea, Boss, and Henry at RB. Also Earnshaw apparently scored a wonder goal. Larson & Molinaro both listed Ecks and Russell as doubtful for Saturday. Dunfield also out 4 weeks with a PCL tear.

khso11
04-16-2013, 01:57 PM
In MLS you really need two attackers in the box to pull the central defenders out of position; Earnshaw can do that with movement and Braun by holding up the ball, Silva can come up and support attack. Works for me.

plus, it will be a good set up for koevermans to come back

Yohan
04-16-2013, 02:03 PM
Scouting Report: Houston Dynamo

General: Houston is a very good MLS team, consistently making playoffs and winning MLS Cups, or making to the final. Overall most of the team are full of average MLS players, however team chemistry is good, with many of the players played together for 2+ years or longer, and added a bit of quality with players like Boniek Garcia and Brad Davis to put them over the top.

Formation: Kinnear is an old school MLS manager used to favouring 4-4-2 with a target man for hold up play and a more direct approach. However, he has been experimenting with 4-3-3 with wingers with a bit of flair and creativity which has been pretty successful.

Expected Houston lineup

----------------Hall
-Sarkodie-Taylor-Boswell-Ashe
----------Moffat---Clark
---------------Barnes
Driver----------------------Davis
---------------Bruin

Squad
GK: Tally Hall took over from Pat Onstad few seasons ago and never looked back. A legit MLS starter with acrobatic ability. Is known to make rash decisions once in a while, but Hall is overall very solid and TFC attackers will need to be at their best to beat him.

Defence: Kinnear has built a very solid core of defence. Anchored by Bobby Boswell, one of best MLS defenders, they are strong in the air, so direct approach won't work as well. Jamaican international Jermaine Taylor is versatile and can play multiple position, and beat out Andrew Hainault for starting job. The fullbacks Ashe and Sarkodie are speedy and capable of providing good overlapping runs. On bench, Eric Brunner is a solid, if unspectacular CB and Mike Chabala is also versatile fullback who can give good mins.

Midfield: Wing play is the key to Houston's success. If DP and Honduran international Boniek Garcia is still injured for Sat, TFC catches a break as he is a tricky winger with tons of flair. If not, Andrew Driver will play right wing. A left footed winger with nose for the goal, he will cut inside from right side and look to take on a defender 1v1. On LW, American international Brad Davis will again be key to Houston success. Central midfield is solid with Adam Moffat playing the destroyer role. He also has a cultured right foot capable of delivering a rocket from outside the box, so TFC will have to close him down quickly. American international Ricardo Clark plays the box to box role. He plays the two way game well, with a lot of hustle, but not very creative. Former Derby and West Brom attacking midfielder Giles Barnes is expect to provide creativity from CAM role. Once highly rated youngster whose career did not pan out as expected, but has the technical ability to make the final pass.
On bench, Warren Creavalle is a defence first DM capable of putting in a challenge and Luiz Camargo can play CM, but there is a lack of attacking flair available from the subs.
On whole, Houston isn't an exceptional passing team, however, they are fundamentally solid and well drilled team.

Strikers: Will Bruin had a breakout year last season, scoring 12 goals, but had a bit of consistency problem. However, he has scored 2 goals in 3 games. Big, strong 6'2", excellent in the air. He doesn't drift much outside and will be looking to get his head on a cross from the flanks. Has decent finishing ability. On bench, Brian Ching is on the downside, but he brings the veteran presence. If Kinnear wants another big man, Cam Weaver is available. If he wants pace, Jamaican international Omar Cummings who can also play wide midfielder or rookie Jason Johnson will look to stretch tired defences.

Key player: Brad Davis is the best left winger in MLS. While not fast, he has good technical skill to beat a defender 1v1 and only needs half a step to put in a devastatingly accurate cross into the box with his left foot. He is also lethal set piece taker and at corners too. TFC must stop him at all cost.

If I was Houston Manager...: If I was Dom, I'd go 4-3-3. TFC has both starting fullbacks out (Morgan suspended and Eckersley injured) plus Darel Russell who has been the 3rd FB also injured as of today. Likely replacements will be Ryan Richter who played one game so far and Logan Emory who haven't played at all. Anybody who plays FB for TFC is ripe for Houston wingers to destroy. I can see Davis, Garcia and Driver have a field day.

If TFC plays 4-4-2, even better for Dynamo. Use 3 CMs to overwhelm 2 TFC CMs, of 1 will be Jeremy Hall who will tackle, but can't make a pass for the life of him. Silva is a tricky customer, but Philly mid overwhelmed him and took him out. If Houston is able to maintain possession in the midfield, the pacy fullbacks can join the attack to overwhelm the TFC defence even more.

This leaves long ball from TFC defence, and that's easy for Boswell and co to gobble up. TFC chances end up coming from set pieces, or a counter for Earnshaw to finish. Cut off service to Earnshaw and Dynamo wins.

Overall, I think Houston has too much quality for TFC to deal with. Final 2-1 Houston

Ultra & Proud
04-16-2013, 02:32 PM
Did everyone forget that Hall was a FB before this year? Maybe not a good one but he has minutes under his belt this season and could slot in there and then we could have Osorio or Bekker play CM. Better that than a fresh from injury Emory getting thrown in there against Houston's wingers IMO.

VoxPopuliCosmicum
04-16-2013, 02:33 PM
^Yohan, I see you're stepping up your game. Is it just a coincidence, or are you responding to the recent fine form of some of your "competition"? Excellent work in any event, and truly appreciated by those of us who don't have the same depth of MLS exposure.

Ultra & Proud
04-16-2013, 02:41 PM
-------------------------Bendik-------------------
----Hall------------Boss---O'Dea----Richter-------
------------------------Osorio--------------------
Bostock ---------------------------------Ephraim
-----------------------Silva-----------------------
------------Earnshaw----------Braun---------------

Pint
04-16-2013, 02:46 PM
Henry was at FB today with richter on the opposite side.

Back line of: Richter.... Boss....O'Dea....Henry

Yohan
04-16-2013, 02:50 PM
Did everyone forget that Hall was a FB before this year? Maybe not a good one but he has minutes under his belt this season and could slot in there and then we could have Osorio or Bekker play CM. Better that than a fresh from injury Emory getting thrown in there against Houston's wingers IMO.
Oh god. Jeremy Hall vs Brad Davis? Nightmare!

Yohan
04-16-2013, 02:51 PM
Henry was at FB today with richter on the opposite side.

Back line of: Richter.... Boss....O'Dea....Henry
This doesn't inspire me with confidence

Yohan
04-16-2013, 02:52 PM
^Yohan, I see you're stepping up your game. Is it just a coincidence, or are you responding to the recent fine form of some of your "competition"? Excellent work in any event, and truly appreciated by those of us who don't have the same depth of MLS exposure.
I've had more time to goof off. I can't play Candy Crush Saga all the time :p

Houston
04-17-2013, 07:58 AM
I'm in the FUCK Dallas camp ^^ !

This is definitely the winning strategy going forward.

"The ball is round bitches" - Dero.

I am also in the FUCK Dallas camp :) History has been a pretty even split tilting slightly toward Toronto.

Houston @ Toronto, all-time:

05/16/07 TFC 1-0 HOU
09/27/08 TFC 1-1 HOU
07/18/09 TFC 1-1 HOU
07/01/10 TFC 1-1 HOU
05/07/11 TFC 2-1 HOU
07/28/12 TFC 0-2 HOU

That's 1-2-3 with 6 goals scored and 6 allowed.
(credit owed to NewTex on BigSoccer for the stats)

JuliquE
04-17-2013, 08:41 AM
My preferred line-up (4-1-2-1-2):

-------------Bendik------------

Richter--Agboss--O'Dea--Emory

--------------Hall--------------

----Bostock---------Ephraim----

-------------Silva--------------

---------------Earnshaw--------
---------Braun------------------

** * **

I felt like Bendik earned his start in Philly, Saturday.. however, I, too, have been itching to join the "Free Frei" bandwagon. That said, Bendik went on to have a statement game, which should make this one of the easier decisions for Nelson to make. The Voyager Cup games can't come soon enough for Frei.

Richter played, in the words of Nelson, rather fearlessly/courageously last game; he wanted the ball and his fitness looked top notch, all things considered. It seems he's looking to hang on to a starting position for dear life, after coming so close with Philly and then having to earn his way back up from USL Pro; we'll need his gusto and desire to handle the wide threat that Houston poses. Boss is very comfortable on the ball and likes to play out from the back, which will be a major crutch for Hall, whose passing leaves much to be desired. Emory is a huge question mark, but, I feel like, having been virtually an apparition all season, he'll be desperate to leave his mark, if selected. Henry tends to relish getting forward, when played at FB, whereas it's probably more important that we have a stay-at-home type for this match, which favours Emory, playing in his natural position.

Hall is one of the most improved players in the side, albeit that's not saying a whole lot. Still, he is very tenacious out on the pitch and seems to have a few good tackles in him, per game. If we can limit his role and compensate for his short-comings in holding possession, I think that he can do a job at the bottom of the diamond.. especially since he seems to be another player getting a taste for regular minutes, after a career on the bench, desperate to keep his place. Ephraim will be huge in both defence (helping out Emory) and attack. Bostock, I feel, will want to have a good showing, at home, after an inconsistent outing, at best, against Dallas (epitomizing his time in Red); I think his ability to hold onto the ball will prove vital, in a side that saw less than 40% possession against an average Philly side. If we learned anything about Silva, last time out, it's that he's never a box-to-box type of player; he can't really tackle and hasn't got much recovery speed, if beaten whilst playing defence. Silva's most influential when deployed at AM and, so, here's hoping Nelson sees it this way, as well, come Saturday.

I agree that, in MLS, you really do need a couple strikers to give defenders more than one type of threat to think about; Earnshaw was being marked out of the game against Dallas, until Braun came on. I noticed that O'Dea likes to send long-balls over to the right side, often connecting with Bostock, so, I think it's good to have Braun on that side, as well, leaving Earnshaw a bit more withdrawn and, perhaps, a bit more involved in the build-up play.


Substitutions:

* Osorio should be an early sub (circa 60th min.) in place of Hall, if we're tied or trailing, in search of a goal; he's still defensively sound, whilst having the savy to know when he can join in the attack. I would be tempted to start him, but he's shown signs of his inexperience and I think it would be a mistake to give him another start so soon; keep him hungry and bring him on just after things settle down a bit, in the second half.

* Bekker should come in circa 70th-80th minute, for Silva; still very curious to seem him get minutes at AM.

* Lambe should also come in around the 70th-80th min. for any one of our attacking or wide players -- earlier, if one is having a stinker or succumbs to injury.

Ajax TFC
04-17-2013, 11:10 AM
My lineup:
-------------Bendik-----------
Henry - Agboss - O'Dea - Richter
---------Bekker - Hall----------
--Ephraim ----Silva-----Bostock
-------------Earnshaw----------

I think Henry is our most defensively solid defender who can play fullback right now. When Ecks comes back, I'd like to see him on the left and Henry on the right in games when we're facing good wingers like we will in this one. The other option is to put Califf back on and move Agboss to right back.
Hall is improving and covers a lot of ground, but he needs someone close to him who can get open for an easy pass and make the right pass to space. That guy is Bekker. For Bekker to be most effective, he needs players ahead of him who can move around and find space. Ephraim, Silva, and Earnshaw all make decent runs, and hopefully a passer like Bekker will be able to use those runs to create dangerous situations. Bostock is good on the ball, and on the left side he makes good passes inside. Hopefully footballers like Bekker and Silva will be able to make something happen with those passes.

Braun was able to make Earnshaw more effective by being the target man and adding an extra threat for the other team's defense to worry about. Silva can do the exact same, except he's a lot more dangerous and is a better passer. He'll also be able to find space better than he could in the unfamiliar position of CM where he only really looked comfortable when he pushed up the field into his more natural position of AM

ManUtd4ever
04-17-2013, 12:39 PM
All I know is, we will likely concede a goal in stoppage time.

Carts
04-17-2013, 12:43 PM
All I know is, we will likely concede a goal in stoppage time.

Death... Taxes... Conceding in stoppage time... It's getting to that point! :(

trane
04-17-2013, 01:56 PM
^ As far as play on the field, that needs to be the first thing to be addressed. We need to defend for 100 minutes if necessary not the 75-85 that we seem to game in and game out.

notthesun
04-17-2013, 03:46 PM
Nelsen just needs to tell the boys to carve out 2 chances for Earnshaw. Just two damn chances in the same game. That's 2 goals right there.

Auzzy
04-17-2013, 04:01 PM
I really, really hope Earnshaw doesn't get injured. From Twitter just now:


Hogan Ephraim ‏@HoganEphraim 25m
Had the privilege of seeing @RobertEarnshaw score easily one of the best 3 goals I've ever witnessed - in today's training session #TakeABow

That's after another beauty scored yesterday in training. Remember that Earnshaw also had a 2nd decent chance last weekend vs. Philly, and buried that one as well -- but was ruled just offside (one of the few good calls the ref made all game). Even Houston gives up a few decent chances per game -- hopefully Earnie is in the right spot at the right time.

pawlukj
04-17-2013, 06:41 PM
gonna be at this game and nothing but a win, not settling for lets just draw all season long if thats the case i rather just not show up and support at all.. the boys have talent and with some corrections from last game can win lets do this TFC!


and::; players really feed off the crowd and the overall pre tone to games.. if the crowd is going for a tie, then they play for a tie.. if we let it be heard that were the boys from the north they feed off that non of this half ass support please people

trane
04-17-2013, 06:45 PM
Fuck Dallas.

zamperina
04-18-2013, 11:32 AM
Weather forecast is Hi of 3°C.

This might be the coldest game yet at BMO. Don't forget your parka!

khso11
04-18-2013, 02:48 PM
Weather forecast is Hi of 3°C.

This might be the coldest game yet at BMO. Don't forget your parka!

Wow, 15 yesterday, 23 today, 16 tomorrow, then 3 on saturday?????? The weather hates us.

Abou Sky
04-18-2013, 03:16 PM
Wow, 15 yesterday, 23 today, 16 tomorrow, then 3 on saturday?????? The weather hates us.

'Even god hates us but we don't care'

May offend some, but that is a badass tagline IMO

West220Side
04-18-2013, 03:19 PM
Gonna be a hard fought match with Houston experimenting with terrific wingers and both our fullbacks not up to par. I'm reading that Nelsen has be playing Richter and Henry in training. Ugh. That's a tough pill to swallow i'm looking forward to Henry and Agbossoumonde playing together at centreback, but I'm definitely not pinning Henry as a rightback. We're gonna have a back line with Richter, Califf/Agbossoumonde, O'Dea, Henry. That's a lot of aerial power and brute strength but no speed. Gonna need our midfield to be above average during this game. Please no Hall. Play him the rest of the regular season if you must, just... not now.


gonna be at this game and nothing but a win, not settling for lets just draw all season long if thats the case i rather just not show up and support at all.. the boys have talent and with some corrections from last game can win lets do this TFC!


and::; players really feed off the crowd and the overall pre tone to games.. if the crowd is going for a tie, then they play for a tie.. if we let it be heard that were the boys from the north they feed off that non of this half ass support please people

What happened in the season opener was wonderful but at the same time crippling. You were obviously sucked into the group of people who saw us win at home, and thought this season was going to be spectacular. It's not, its going to be full of ups and downs. An emotional roller coaster.

If you're saying you don't want to show up if they're going to just draw, I hope you weren't paying for tickets last year when they did nothing but lose. But that's fair, why throw money if you don't like seeing us draw.

Remember though that first draw was against league champions Los Angeles Galaxy and that second draw was against western conference leaders Dallas and was fought back for. It was an amazing showing of leadership and character by the team.

We're playing Houston, they're a very good side, what does the football intelligent part of my brain say? We're going to lose. What does my heart say. We'll win.
I'm hoping for a 2-1 win, but realisticly... Who knows though this is football, can't we all just come together and enjoy a match.

Fort York Redcoat
04-19-2013, 08:08 AM
gonna be at this game and nothing but a win, not settling for lets just draw all season long if thats the case i rather just not show up and support at all.. the boys have talent and with some corrections from last game can win lets do this TFC!


and::; players really feed off the crowd and the overall pre tone to games.. if the crowd is going for a tie, then they play for a tie.. if we let it be heard that were the boys from the north they feed off that non of this half ass support please people





I can't say I've ever seen or heard a crowd "going for a tie" but I'll be singing for a win.

Yohan
04-19-2013, 10:20 AM
Ecks, Russell confirmed out.

So I'm expecting

Henry-Boss-ODea-Richter. That's a scary inexperienced D

OgtheDim
04-19-2013, 10:25 AM
Boss out on the side would be better then Henry. He's not fast but he's better then Henry.

Yohan
04-19-2013, 11:00 AM
Boss out on the side would be better then Henry. He's not fast but he's better then Henry.
Henry has some experience playing RB. Boss has nil

trane
04-19-2013, 11:50 AM
^Boss has done well in the middle of the defense . No matter how good the wingers are, ultimately to score they have to turn/pass/cross inside, and if you have two solid CBs, covered by two decent DMs you can still defend well.

Sometimes you have to concede that you have a mismatch in an area of the field, and address it by getting stronger in another area. I do not watch non Canadian MLS teams that much, but I will take Yohan's word, that they will be hard to handle, and that they will outmatch what we have. So make the middle solid.


My issue, if we do not control the wings, we will have to play through the middle, this would be easier to do, if we had a quality targetman upfront to play with Earnshaw, or a real offensive quality in our CDMs.

T-boy
04-19-2013, 12:27 PM
Ecks, Russell confirmed out.

So I'm expecting

Henry-Boss-ODea-Richter. That's a scary inexperienced D

Nothing against Boss, but to get some more experience in there we could put Califf back in.

Yohan
04-19-2013, 01:24 PM
Oscar Boniek Garcia is back in training for Houston. Not 100% but likely be available as a sub.

Houston ready for Earnshaw
http://www.houstondynamo.com/news/2013/04/key-houston-dynamo-containing-toronto-fc-forward-robert-earnshaw

Yohan
04-19-2013, 01:44 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/04/17/two-faced-houston-dynamo-players-concerned-they-havent-take-home-success-roa

Houston is not a very good road team. The cold might throw them off too. And historically, Toronto has been pretty competitive vs Houston at BMO Field.

dutch
04-19-2013, 11:47 PM
dido. whens the last time houston played in -2 windchill on the great lakes? minnesota vikings home field advantage baby ;) we have beaten houston before at home more than once. I wont be at the game, its too cold out.. lmao

OgtheDim
04-20-2013, 06:21 AM
Woke up. Snow flying outside my window up here in North York. Winter clouds. Like a warm day in January out there.

:fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::f luffy::fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::fluffy::flu ffy::fluffy:

Red CB Toronto
04-20-2013, 08:11 AM
The wind is quite something up here at Yonge and St. Clair, was just outside for a moment and it was very chilly, so prepare accordingly. I think the Reds have a good performance in them today and can come away with the 3 points. Looking forward to another Earnie backflip. See everyone at the tailgate.

Walms
04-20-2013, 09:08 AM
Hoping for a win......expecting a loss....... will be happy with a Draw

Im vary intersted to see how our back 4 line up today, the buzz is Henry at LB but I wouldn't be suprised to see Emory start....
Also the "65min Silva & 25min Osorio" Sub's seems to be working great and giving us Spark in the final minunits of match's... will we see it again today?

Stouffville_RPB
04-20-2013, 09:38 AM
dido. whens the last time houston played in -2 windchill on the great lakes? minnesota vikings home field advantage baby ;) we have beaten houston before at home more than once. I wont be at the game, its too cold out.. lmao

The Vikings play in a dome lol

BuSaPuNk
04-20-2013, 09:50 AM
Looks like weather is on our side today and today's ref looks like he just lets teams play. No more cardfest I hope.

REFEREE: Drew Fischer. AR1 (bench): Joe Fletcher; AR2 (opposite): Claudio Badea; 4th: Mathieu Bourdeau
MLS Career: 10 games; FC/gm: 26.9; Y/gm: 2.5; R: 0; pens: 4

ensco
04-20-2013, 10:36 AM
Remember the goal LaBrocca scored from 40 yards a few years ago when the wind was blowing? Could see that today.

Dave67
04-20-2013, 11:23 AM
Remember the goal LaBrocca scored from 40 yards a few years ago when the wind was blowing? Could see that today.

Greatest pass turned goal I have seen at BMO. Today's going to be a wild one. Going to have to play the ball on the ground. Tricky for TFC at the best of times.

jloome
04-20-2013, 11:34 AM
The Vikings play in a dome lol

But they didn't when they set the "snow as an advantage" rule, when they were the Purple People Eaters.

notthesun
04-20-2013, 12:44 PM
According to the MLS preview of the match, the referee Drew Fischer has yet to issue a red card through 10 MLS games officiated, and averages only 2.5 yellows per game. Must be some sort of MLS record.

Walms
04-20-2013, 01:48 PM
According to the MLS preview of the match, the referee Drew Fischer has yet to issue a red card through 10 MLS games officiated, and averages only 2.5 yellows per game. Must be some sort of MLS record.

We will make him break that streak today ;-)

notthesun
04-20-2013, 02:19 PM
Starting XI: Bendik, Emory, O'Dea, Boss, Richter, Lambe, Hall, Silva, Ephraim, Braun, Earnshaw

Bench: Frei, Califf, Henry, Bekker, Osorio, Bostock, Wiedeman

Looks like Nelsen elected to go with Emory at LB and keep Richter on the right instead of putting Richter on his off side and playing Henry as a makeshift RB. Good call in my opinion.

Would really like to see Bostock get time at CAM/CF today.

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 02:26 PM
I would have preferred Henry marking Davis instead of Richter who got turned inside out a couple of times last week. Emory at LB makes sense though

jloome
04-20-2013, 02:55 PM
Starting XI: Bendik, Emory, O'Dea, Boss, Richter, Lambe, Hall, Silva, Ephraim, Braun, Earnshaw

Bench: Frei, Califf, Henry, Bekker, Osorio, Bostock, Wiedeman

Looks like Nelsen elected to go with Emory at LB and keep Richter on the right instead of putting Richter on his off side and playing Henry as a makeshift RB. Good call in my opinion.

Would really like to see Bostock get time at CAM/CF today.

Can't believe we have a player with his technical ability and he's on the bench in favor of Justin Braun. I like Braun, and maybe it's "we need a target" tactical thinking, but to me, this is nuts. Play Bostock behind the striker if worried about his defence, ffs.

Ah, hell. We haven't lost in three. Can't really complain I guess.

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 03:00 PM
I don't see why Silva can't play as the target man instead of Braun. He's tall enough, and superior in every way. And I'm not even a big Silva fan

notthesun
04-20-2013, 03:02 PM
Can't believe we have a player with his technical ability and he's on the bench in favor of Justin Braun. I like Braun, and maybe it's "we need a target" tactical thinking, but to me, this is nuts. Play Bostock behind the striker if worried about his defence, ffs.

Ah, hell. We haven't lost in three. Can't really complain I guess.

I agree, and again I'd like to see him come in off the bench today, but at the same time I have to respect Nelsen for rewarding players for their play with starts. Bostock was bad against Dallas and Braun was good, so he went with Braun against Philly. Braun was ok against Philly, he's giving him another shot. If he doesn't do much today I expect Bostock to be back in the starting lineup next week.

edit: I don't think Silva would work, he isn't as tall or as strong. And even if he did, you want a guy like him with the ball at his feet, not trying to bring down long balls all day.

jloome
04-20-2013, 03:09 PM
Ah shit. We're hooped. Canadian ref = cards galore as they overcompensate (I joke, I don't really know.)

jloome
04-20-2013, 03:11 PM
Silva tells Ephraim to switch on the coverage, Ephraim ignores him. Bad signs early.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 03:12 PM
What the F is the defense doing?? Are they frozen?

jloome
04-20-2013, 03:15 PM
Need to get one early while Houston's still adjusting to the cold.

mowe
04-20-2013, 03:15 PM
OH CROSSBAR, Earnshaw shoulda had that!

Ivy
04-20-2013, 03:15 PM
HOLY JEREMY!! What a ball...

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 03:17 PM
Post! good start to the game

notthesun
04-20-2013, 03:18 PM
Man that's just terrible luck. He hit that so sweetly.

dantdot
04-20-2013, 03:19 PM
Earnshaw might have had more time on the ball than all our other games combined.

Dkolish3
04-20-2013, 03:20 PM
We're looking pretty good so far

notthesun
04-20-2013, 03:29 PM
Replace Braun with Bostock on that play off Silva's touch and that turns into a good chance rather than a wasted chance.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 03:30 PM
Somebody please tweet earnshaw and tell him he's allowed to pass...

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 03:38 PM
Looks like Silva is playing as the 10 in a 4-1-2-1-2. Looks really good in that role and were creating a lot more than in previous games

Ivy
04-20-2013, 03:42 PM
Good thing the ref resembles Ecks... They both seem to think that taking people's legs out from underneath them is fair game lol.

gate7
04-20-2013, 03:43 PM
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/hippiesharing.com/stream11.html stream

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 03:44 PM
Looks like Silva is playing as the 10 in a 4-1-2-1-2. Looks really good in that role and were creating a lot more than in previous games


That has always been his role, he is one of the most natural #10 in this league.

Richard
04-20-2013, 03:48 PM
Sub Braun for Bostock and play the christmas tree formation. I think we can win this game, just need a bit more quality.

Redcoe15
04-20-2013, 03:49 PM
32oz of beer and a tall glass of root beer and Captain Morgan Black. Oh yeah, I was ready a long while ago!

C'MON YOU REDS! DEFEAT THOSE CREAMSICLES!

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 03:50 PM
Looks like Silva is playing as the 10 in a 4-1-2-1-2. Looks really good in that role and were creating a lot more than in previous games
Pretty much vintage DC United formation.

Few guys have stepped it up today, which is nice.

mowe
04-20-2013, 03:50 PM
I think Braun is useful right now throwing his size around. We need a little of that in this squad.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 03:50 PM
Is it just me, or is something up with Gale? Dude is NOT playing right today...

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 03:50 PM
Sub Braun for Bostock and play the christmas tree formation. I think we can win this game, just need a bit more quality.


agreed. And another natural midfielder Bekker/Osario for wingers lamb or ephraim

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 03:54 PM
Lambe gives up on balls far too easily

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 03:57 PM
Thank god that half is over. That was a brutal display from both teams.

Silva is good.
Lambe has flashes but is poor overall.
Ephraim looks good when he's involved but that's not often.
Earnshaw has been awful today.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 03:58 PM
Lambe gives up on balls far too easily
Yeah that was somewhat hilarious to watch him pull up on that ball with the keeper charging out.. hope that was just the camera angle that made it look so bad.

As for leaving Bostock on the bench... think reasoning is a little obvious. Doesn't put in the work defensively that Bruan does even if he's far more talented. Braun if deeply flawed, but because he actually works on the defensive side of the ball, we can play more attack minded.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:00 PM
I'm sick of seeing David Beckham running.

notthesun
04-20-2013, 04:01 PM
We've produced our best build up play of the season in that half. A number of pretty good moves. And no glaring chances given up. Pretty solid half overall. We've been the better team.

Bring Bostock on for Lambe or Ephraim in the 2nd.

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:03 PM
We've produced our best build up play of the season in that half. A number of pretty good moves. And no glaring chances given up. Pretty solid half overall. We've been the better team.

Bring Bostock on for Lambe or Ephraim in the 2nd.

Thought we played well across the board, aside from Ephraim and Boss, who both looked asleep at the switch. Silva's playing like an all-star both ways, Hall is playing well, Earnshaw and Braun are causing some problems.

I'd probably flip Lambe to the other side and bring in Bostock.

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 04:11 PM
That has always been his role, he is one of the most natural #10 in this league.
Except he was playing in a deeper role next to hall in his previous appearances this season

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:13 PM
Except he was playing in a deeper role next to hall in his previous appearances this season

Silva never looks this dominant deeper in the midfield, but he is a monster behind the strikers.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:14 PM
sorry!, but Lambe needs to be subbed.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:15 PM
Please please please sub Braun...

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 04:16 PM
uggh.. Bruan kills the attack yet again

AlanO
04-20-2013, 04:16 PM
Brad Davis subbed off at halftime.

notthesun
04-20-2013, 04:17 PM
Another example where Braun's quality on the ball lets him down at the top of the box there after some good build up. He can bring a ball down but otherwise he isn't great. Koevermans is gonna be such an upgrade if he can come back as his usual self.

Redcoe15
04-20-2013, 04:17 PM
I've got a good feeling about the outcome of the game. :D

C'MON YOU REDS!!!

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:19 PM
DUDEEEBWAT THE FUCK!!! Silvaaaaa!!!!

dantdot
04-20-2013, 04:19 PM
Ayieeee, Silva...

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:19 PM
Please please please sub Braun...

Not because he is playing bad per say, its because he is not accustomed to playing in this system. This system requires your strikers to be comfortable receiving the ball to feet and be able to turn the defence with touches of skill.

Braun is more of 433 of 4231 player. where balls come to the strikers mainly from wide areas.

Bostock would be a better option because his first step abilities

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:20 PM
Great ball from hall to ephraim and nice flick from him to silva. Best build up of the day.

Earnshaw is beginning to irritate me. He's like Bostock except totally right footed instead of totally left footed. Lol

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:22 PM
Inconsistent officiating. We got away sit the exact same play in the first half without even a foul being called and now he's given Camargo a yellow.

I'll take the call but I fully expect a cheesy one against us to come before the end of this one.

mowe
04-20-2013, 04:25 PM
Hall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1-0 tfc!!!!

Richard
04-20-2013, 04:25 PM
Get in!

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:25 PM
Woo! Nice goal from hall.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 04:25 PM
amazing!

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:25 PM
This is some of the best football I've seen from Tfc and Jeremy Hall.

This team is almost there Ladies and Gents, just a lil bit more tweaking.

AlanO
04-20-2013, 04:26 PM
Hall!!

Yohan
04-20-2013, 04:26 PM
Hell has frozen over. Hall with a goal

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:26 PM
Hall playing a good game today, caps it with the go ahead. Feel good story, right there.

dantdot
04-20-2013, 04:27 PM
Unfortunately we'll need another with our history. I want to believe.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:27 PM
Now can we sub Lambe??

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:28 PM
Shameful

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:29 PM
PAYNE!!! Use that allocation and buy this ref!! He's a red!!!

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 04:29 PM
I was just going to say that this ref needs to learn to use his cards to keep the game in control

Richard
04-20-2013, 04:29 PM
Red lol.

Dkolish3
04-20-2013, 04:29 PM
People must really hate TFC because almost every game we get into a fight

leafsman
04-20-2013, 04:30 PM
had to be a red, was the last man back.

PopePouri
04-20-2013, 04:30 PM
Jesus. If that went in...

Redcoe15
04-20-2013, 04:30 PM
finish them!!!!!

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:31 PM
Lmao I love the new yellow TFC look.

JoeyB
04-20-2013, 04:31 PM
had to be a red, was the last man back.

What a dive by the welshman. not even a yellow. The ref is wearing RED today for sure.

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:31 PM
We've become a great diving/embellishing team. Lol

Richard
04-20-2013, 04:32 PM
We will make him break that streak today ;-)

You were right!

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:34 PM
had to be a red, was the last man back.

Had to be a yellow.........on earnshaw for the dive. Lol

AlanO
04-20-2013, 04:36 PM
Great play from Emory and Braun there. Tally Hall had to make a huuuuge save.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:37 PM
Shots on goal
tfc-12

Houston-5



Thats good!:D

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:38 PM
God damn it. Sweat palm nail biting time.

leafsman
04-20-2013, 04:38 PM
Had to be a yellow.........on earnshaw for the dive. Lol

Easy to say on replay but live it looked like he impeded him

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:39 PM
Why is Nelson taking off Silva????


Is he feeling alright?

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:39 PM
Osario for Lambe not Silva.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:40 PM
Once again stupid sub.:facepalm:

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Why is Nelson taking off Silva????


Is he feeling alright?

Probably because Osorio is a better defensive player. I guess. I don't really know, maybe he thinks he was starting to flag a little

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Braun would play a better mid fielder than striker.

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:41 PM
Richter makes poor, poor decisions when he has the ball.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:44 PM
Probably because Osorio is a better defensive player. I guess. I don't really know, maybe he thinks he was starting to flag a little



Play osario in Lambe`s role and you would see more Magic. Imo he is trying to hold on too the 1-0 instead of attacking.

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:45 PM
Can we not have stupid backpasses, please?

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:48 PM
We need another to close this. Too much bad history at this point.

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:48 PM
Earnshaw-shameful
Lambe-shameful

Now O'Dea...shameful...again. This guys done it several times.

We'd better get used to officials treating us like divers.

And now even our ball boys are acting like douche bags. Wtf?

Earnshaw dives again. I'm done with this game. Wtf is going on with these guys? 5 pts in 5 games and they're behaving like they're great.

Shameful.

Lumpy
04-20-2013, 04:49 PM
Earnshaw-shameful
Lambe-shameful

Now O'Dea...shameful...again. This guys done it several times.

We'd better get used to officials treating us like divers.

What a joke.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 04:50 PM
God Jason DeVos won't shut up

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:51 PM
BEST FINISHER COMING ON!!! OHHHHH babyyy!!

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:51 PM
Earnshaw-shameful
Lambe-shameful

Now O'Dea...shameful...again. This guys done it several times.

We'd better get used to officials treating us like divers.

Dude, what are you talking about? I'm not being facetious, I just haven't seen anything outrageous.

Are you talking about guys overselling it, or making it up? Because the latter -- which is actual cheating -- I"m not seeing.

Dkolish3
04-20-2013, 04:52 PM
The BEST finisher in the modern era is making his first appearance of 2013

Ivy
04-20-2013, 04:53 PM
Andddd there goes Emory.

Super
04-20-2013, 04:54 PM
Weedman should have been subbed in at 4:20

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:55 PM
Weedman should have been subbed in at 4:20

LOL. Ba-dum-bump. Rimshot! Tip your servers, folks, he's here all week.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 04:55 PM
Weedman should have been subbed in at 4:20
:rolleyes:


Clever!.

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 04:56 PM
Dude, what are you talking about? I'm not being facetious, I just haven't seen anything outrageous.

Are you talking about guys overselling it, or making it up? Because the latter -- which is actual cheating -- I"m not seeing.

Lambe oversold the pull on his shoulder by Camargo which I'm totally okay with. Sometimes you have to stress to the official that you were fouled. I just found it odd that we got away with no foul at all for the exact same situation earlier.

But earnshaw has gone down twice now on totally fabricated calls. So it you wanna call it cheating, so be it. One led to a red card.

O'Dea went down like he was shot on the edge of our box, clutching his leg in agony. But we went the other way with the ball and generated a chance so miraculously he popped back up.

jloome
04-20-2013, 04:57 PM
Lambe oversold the pull on his shoulder by Camargo which I'm totally okay with. Sometimes you have to stress to the official that you were fouled. I just found it odd that we got away with no foul at all for the exact same situation earlier.

But earnshaw has gone down twice now on totally fabricated calls. So it you wanna call it cheating, so be it. One led to a red card.

O'Dea went down like he was shot on the edge of our box, clutching his leg in agony. But we went the other way with the ball and generated a chance so miraculously he popped back up.

I disagree on the red. He smacked him in the face and was the last man back. As Devos said, it's an automatic red; intent doesn't even figure into it. And As for O'Dea, guys are always going to kill time.

Dkolish3
04-20-2013, 04:58 PM
On what planet was there 4 minutes of extra time

notthesun
04-20-2013, 04:58 PM
Jesus Ephraim's first touch is brilliant. It's a shame that's about where his brilliance usually ends.

AlanO
04-20-2013, 04:59 PM
Jesus Ephraim's first touch is brilliant. It's a shame that's about where his brilliance usually ends.
He's made a number of good crosses in this half, and had a decent shot too.

jloome
04-20-2013, 05:00 PM
Shoot me now.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 05:00 PM
Dude... Are you serious....

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:01 PM
WOW, just wow.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 05:01 PM
Fuck we are cursed

Dkolish3
04-20-2013, 05:01 PM
Fuck meeeee!!!!!!

dantdot
04-20-2013, 05:01 PM
No one should be surprised at this point.

Ajax TFC
04-20-2013, 05:01 PM
I, and I bet every fucking fan knew that was going to happen when we have up that corner. FUCK!!!!

jloome
04-20-2013, 05:02 PM
Fuck. Fuck this fucking team sometimes. I swear to God. It's like asking for a weekly headache.

Oldtimer
04-20-2013, 05:02 PM
You knew that was coming.

TFC is not yet even an average team, this should have been won by TFC against a lethargic 10-men Dynamo.

If you don't win those home games, you aren't that good.

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:02 PM
Why take out Sliva and Earnshaw knowing you need one more goal? Nelsen and along with awful error end of the game killed us in the end.

Ivy
04-20-2013, 05:02 PM
Good game, stupid stupid subs. Sorry Ryan, this one is on you.

Corpand
04-20-2013, 05:02 PM
What just happened?

This feels like a bad episode of X-Files.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 05:02 PM
Once we went up a man we dropped hugely dropped our guard.

Everyone went into their shell and stopped trying to put the extra effort into going forward.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:03 PM
That could of been prevented. O`dea had a moment, but imo the subs were wrong.

Redcoe15
04-20-2013, 05:03 PM
Jesus Fuck. :facepalm:

ManUtd4ever
04-20-2013, 05:03 PM
Un...fucking...believable.

v00d00daddy
04-20-2013, 05:03 PM
I disagree on the red. He smacked him in the face and was the last man back. As Devos said, it's an automatic red; intent doesn't even figure into it. And As for O'Dea, guys are always going to kill time.

Agree to disagree.

In retrospect he should have killed more time I guess. Fuck

We earned the lead.
The ref gifted us the easiest way to maintain it.
O'Dea cost the team two points.

tfcleeds
04-20-2013, 05:04 PM
Unbelievable. It's like watching the same movie over and over again.

adam1001
04-20-2013, 05:04 PM
Koevs was right. This is the worst team in the world. Never in my life have I seen a team consistently shit the bed as much as TFC.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:04 PM
Once we went up a man we dropped hugely dropped our guard.

Everyone went into their shell and stopped trying to put the extra effort into going forward.



Because Nelsen Took off our most creative player, and left Lambe on the field to fuddle around in the attacking 3rd.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 05:04 PM
That son of a bitch

http://static1.marcopolo.de/static/marcopolo/2009/05/14/Murmeltier-Engadin-Schweiz-View-1IN3C3HL20.jpg

PAOK17
04-20-2013, 05:05 PM
Why does O'Dea not play that out for a throw? Thanks again TFC! That's 6 points thrown away at home so far.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 05:05 PM
Because Nelsen Took off our most creative player, and left Lambe on the field to fuddle around in the attacking 3rd.
There was a lot more to it than that. Guys were leaving huge gaps of space in the midfield, nobody was making runs to open up space, every time a forward got the ball it became a solo project.

JoeyB
04-20-2013, 05:06 PM
Why take out Sliva and Earnshaw knowing you need one more goal? Nelsen and along with awful error end of the game killed us in the end.

A rookie coach whose sidekick is a failed NCAA division three coach from the soccer hotbed of Maine. This is going to happen all the time. Sadly.

TFC Via Buffalo
04-20-2013, 05:06 PM
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

Thank Christ I couldn't make it to the game today.

Lumpy
04-20-2013, 05:06 PM
We had the ball with about a minute left and Henry tried a pass up the middle instead of going to corner. They got possession back which helped lead to the goal.

notthesun
04-20-2013, 05:06 PM
You knew that was coming.

I know what you mean, but the worst part is you really shouldn't have known. There was nothing in that game that suggested Houston was going to get a goal. Nothing.

Henry with a bad pass, O'Dea with his only mistake of the game. Honestly the way we give up these goals, it's like divine intervention.

This is fucking unbelievable. Unbelievable.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:06 PM
And our players dont react to the ball quick enough on set pieces.


They watch and wait for the opposition to play it first.

sashavukelich
04-20-2013, 05:07 PM
Why does O'Dea not play that out for a throw? Thanks again TFC! That's 6 points thrown away at home so far.

Doneil Henry coughing up that ball (whilst under no pressure) is the reason we lost that match, led to the offensive pressure from Houston on O'Dea in the corner which led to the Corner Kick..... Henry is easily outclassed/skilled in our new look defence. He has a LONG way to come.

Henry owes us 2 pts.

PAOK17
04-20-2013, 05:07 PM
Also last week, many players cited that a reason to us giving up a goal late was because we wrongly had a player sent off. Well what's our excuse this week? Houston was down a man and got a draw.

tfcleeds
04-20-2013, 05:07 PM
This one really hurts. There was no reason we should have not gotten all 3 points. Bad decision by O'Dea at the end.

MartinUtd
04-20-2013, 05:07 PM
We still need to purge the NASL off the team before we get better.

PAOK17
04-20-2013, 05:07 PM
I agree here actually. When Henry gave up that ball I just knew it would have cost us even though it was in the middle of the field. Such a stupid bonehead pass. Can we not keep position?!

ensco
04-20-2013, 05:08 PM
Still undefeated at home.

:hide::hide:

PopePouri
04-20-2013, 05:08 PM
3 out of 4 games. It's unbelievable. Seriously.

gate7
04-20-2013, 05:08 PM
Boooo Boooo!!! feels like a bad root canal.

winless in 5 games, 4 points of a possible 15...

Refs fault???

Yohan
04-20-2013, 05:09 PM
Both of Houston's best players out, ref with a soft red on Houston and TFC still can't get a win at home.

when I saw that corner, I knew Houston was going to equalize. Utterly sick feeling in my stomach, premonition.

Rudy
04-20-2013, 05:10 PM
The 90-min complex. This team needs help. Nelson must act immediately. This is a real problem.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:11 PM
There was a lot more to it than that. Guys were leaving huge gaps of space in the midfield, nobody was making runs to open up space, every time a forward got the ball it became a solo project.


Thats because if you watch Silvas movement he is the one that opens the space up.


Taking off Silva was very stupid. I `ll give Nelsen his respect for his technical and fitness work with the team and switch to the best formation to maximize Silva but tactically(subs) he is a novice.

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:11 PM
A rookie coach whose sidekick is a failed NCAA division three coach from the soccer hotbed of Maine. This is going to happen all the time. Sadly. True. This is why I am not fan of hiring. We needed an experience coaching staff not just bunch of amateurs and former players. Talk about amateur hour.

PopePouri
04-20-2013, 05:11 PM
Team needs a psychologist or something. They're clearly taking a lot of the same baggage from last year.

Rudy
04-20-2013, 05:12 PM
Even i have a 90-min complex now. I start shaking and crunging at 89-min. You KNEW this is going to happen. Why can Nelson not predict this and DO something about it??.?.?.?.?

Ivy
04-20-2013, 05:12 PM
I really want to know what Bekker and Bostock did.

Jings
04-20-2013, 05:12 PM
Henry should have learned as a 5 years old...kick it towards the corner.

3appleshigh
04-20-2013, 05:13 PM
We still need to purge the NASL off the team before we get better.

Frankly someone needs to lose their job, henry, neilson, an asst.coach as a symbol, something to wake these guys the F up.

Lumpy
04-20-2013, 05:13 PM
True. This is why I am not fan of hiring. We needed an experience coaching staff not just bunch of amateurs and former players. Talk about amateur hour.
Cue the "kill the coach theme"

tfcleeds
04-20-2013, 05:13 PM
Yep, it's hard not to pin some of this on Nelsen. We just can't afford to be taking off our best creative and attacking players when we're only a goal up, not even against a depleted team like Houston.

boozilla
04-20-2013, 05:14 PM
Kansas City must feel like idiots for not being able to score on us late.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:16 PM
Yep, it's hard not to pin some of this on Nelsen. We just can't afford to be taking off our best creative and attacking players when we're only a goal up, not even against a depleted team like Houston.



Thats, Mickey Mouse. He obviously didnt watch silva dominant the game.:facepalm:

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:16 PM
Doneil Henry coughing up that ball (whilst under no pressure) is the reason we lost that match, led to the offensive pressure from Houston on O'Dea in the corner which led to the Corner Kick..... Henry is easily outclassed/skilled in our new look defence. He has a LONG way to come.

Henry owes us 2 pts.
Henry is just a CB, but force to play RB. Boss didn't play well today. I wouldn't surprised if Henry overtake Boss' spot during the season as a backup CB. As for this game, blame should be on Nelsen more on anyone else on this game. Awful subs is what killed us in the end.

Super
04-20-2013, 05:17 PM
The second we started trying to kill time by holding the ball in the corner is the very moment I thought to myself: "this is going to be a draw".

Sure enough, O'Dea(r) opted to try and hold the ball instead of kicking it up field, lost the ball, and the anti-football tactics lost us 2 points. Again.

sashavukelich
04-20-2013, 05:17 PM
True. This is why I am not fan of hiring. We needed an experience coaching staff not just bunch of amateurs and former players. Talk about amateur hour.

You are seriously already giving up on Nelsen..........if you want an 'experienced' coaching staff write a letter to mlse to hire preki back. Nelsen is the way forward.

Couchy81
04-20-2013, 05:17 PM
When the Houston defender was sent off my dad made a bet with me that Houston would tie it in the last minute. I declined because I wanted to make the same bet. Smart money is on TFC conceding late. Always.

Rudy
04-20-2013, 05:17 PM
Frankly someone needs to lose their job, henry, neilson, an asst.coach as a symbol, something to wake these guys the F up.
Totally agree. This is beyond sickening. Enough of this BS. There is a fundamental problem with this picture. One man down; one goal up, and sub your top players, and 93-min equalizer. BAD moves.

jloome
04-20-2013, 05:17 PM
Yep, it's hard not to pin some of this on Nelsen. We just can't afford to be taking off our best creative and attacking players when we're only a goal up, not even against a depleted team like Houston.

Fresh legs. Silva had run his ass off for 73 minutes, and that sub had nothing to do with us giving up the goal, as his replacement, Osorio, only turned the ball over once during his time on the pitch.

This was just careless, stupid. O'Dea tried to hold the ball in our corner to kill the clock, which is just dangerous. The header in the box for the goal actually clipped off the back of Creavalle's head before going in.

We should have spread the field wide and just moved the ball around, killed the clock. Instead, we tried to set up three goal attempts in the last four minutes of the game. That was dumb. But I don't see that as being on Nelsen.

sashavukelich
04-20-2013, 05:19 PM
Henry is just a CB, but force to play RB. Boss didn't play well today. I wouldn't surprised if Henry overtake Boss' spot during the season as a backup CB. As for this game, blame should be on Nelsen more on anyone else on this game. Awful subs is what killed us in the end.

'Boss was incredible today...what game did you watch!? Bruin didn't get a sniff.. If you think Henry is going to take the spot of Boss you're clearly watching another TFC team/game that i am.

Jings
04-20-2013, 05:20 PM
Henry is just a CB, but force to play RB. Boss didn't play well today. I wouldn't surprised if Henry overtake Boss' spot during the season as a backup CB. As for this game, blame should be on Nelsen more on anyone else on this game. Awful subs is what killed us in the end.

If Henry ever plays again it should be because we only have 10 players left

tfcleeds
04-20-2013, 05:21 PM
Well, let's hope Doneil picks it up, fast. Because he'll likely be starting against Montreal on Wed.

gate7
04-20-2013, 05:21 PM
Kansas City must feel like idiots for not being able to score on us late.


almost happend that game

notthesun
04-20-2013, 05:22 PM
I'm still just fucking sitting here with my mouth hanging open. What the fuck.

ag futbol
04-20-2013, 05:23 PM
Henry is clearly not ready for prime time. As for the mistake on the goal, it's rarely one but multiple mistakes that compound into the final result.

But I still think the main takeaway is that we got complacent once we were down a man. We should have been punishing them further and pushing them back into their own half, but instead we just let our guard down and piddled away the advantage.

AlanO
04-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Dunno how anyone can blame this on Nelsen's choice of subs... Neither Earnshaw nor Silva could have prevented the goal, and Emory's injury forced Henry to come into the game.

It was a couple of simple, silly mistakes that cost 2 points.

tiberius
04-20-2013, 05:26 PM
You knew that was coming.

TFC is not yet even an average team, this should have been won by TFC against a lethargic 10-men Dynamo.

If you don't win those home games, you aren't that good.

I beg to differ OT - the team was doing fine, and then....

OUR TWO BEST, MOST ENERGETIC PLAYERS ARE DISAPPEARED OFF THE FIELD -> THEN we had a below average team.

What a clusterfuck from our managing squad - they sucked the energy out of the team and lost the game.

What we have here is not yet even an average coaching staff... stupid, rookie mistakes.

I expect we will see some more mistakes as our coaches find their form, but don't park this game on the team.

With Silva and Ernie in the game the ball wouldn't even have been in our end...

The game was ours until the coaching staff intervened...

Couchy81
04-20-2013, 05:26 PM
This has the potential to spiral out of control in that teams KNOW we concede late and will always push hard for late tying/winning goals against us. It's not a curse it's common knowledge in the league now. Get ready for more of it it's not going away until we tighten the fuck up.

ManUtd4ever
04-20-2013, 05:28 PM
Our issues in stoppage time have been apparent since the inception of the franchise.

The curse transcends time regardless of the identity of managers, coaches, and players.

It is truly mind boggling.

jimiv
04-20-2013, 05:29 PM
Frankly someone needs to lose their job, henry, neilson, an asst.coach as a symbol, something to wake these guys the F up.

I vote Cochrane, I don't know why but I still blame him for everything.

jloome
04-20-2013, 05:29 PM
'Boss was incredible today...what game did you watch!?

Houston created nothing. Agboussomonde almost gave away two goals with lazy backpasses, one in the first five minutes and the other in the second half. He also dallied on the ball in the box once and was stripped, and had to be bailed out by Emory. He did NOT have a good game today.

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:31 PM
'Boss was incredible today...what game did you watch!? Bruin didn't get a sniff.. If you think Henry is going to take the spot of Boss you're clearly watching another TFC team/game that i am.

Are you kidding me? Boss passing was awful and played too casual out there. Henry only played couple of minutes, but given a chance, Henry has shown in the past he's capable of playing as a CB.

DOMIN8R
04-20-2013, 05:31 PM
Just got back from the game. Stayed the full 90 and stoppage. Effen cold and windy - that's for sure. Team played well for the most part. Every player made one or two gaffs. Gale almost had us down 1 in the first 3 minutes. Darren misplayed the ball by taking it to the corner rather than clearing it. That led to the corner that cost us in stoppage. But I'm pleased with how the boys played today.

We had great chances, what - 3 hit wood? Without the wind, we may have been up more than 1 by the 75th.

Now, for Nelson. I saw him repeatedly telling the players, when we were up 1 goal and 1 man, to play defensively. He underestimated Houston, IMO. We needed a second goal to keep a buffer. Of course, I have the benefit of 20/20 hindsightg:D. But when I saw that bus being parked and Houston was energized for the equalizer, I thought we should have gone for the kill and tried for a second. But we didn't.

Still Houston are a good side. We tied. That's as good as I thought it would be - this AM.

notthesun
04-20-2013, 05:32 PM
I thought Boss was bad on the ball but good in his marking, tackling and what not. A mixed bag today.

jloome
04-20-2013, 05:32 PM
I beg to differ OT - the team was doing fine, and then....

OUR TWO BEST, MOST ENERGETIC PLAYERS ARE DISAPPEARED OFF THE FIELD -> THEN we had a below average team.

What a clusterfuck from our managing squad - they sucked the energy out of the team and lost the game.

What we have here is not yet even an average coaching staff... stupid, rookie mistakes.

I expect we will see some more mistakes as our coaches find their form, but don't park this game on the team.

With Silva and Ernie in the game the ball wouldn't even have been in our end...

The game was ours until the coaching staff intervened...

They're not still our most energetic after 73 minutes. This had nothing to do with management. You're conflating two decisions with a bad conclusion that neither of those players had a role in, so that's not very logical.

In fact, we pushed TOO high for the last 10 minutes, giving a 10-man team a chance to counter. If we had played patient buildup and regularly switched fields, we could have used the man advantage to kill the game. So pushing high and different subs wouldn't have made a difference.

People need to stop grabbing the easiest answer and look for the one that actually connects to what happened. O'Dea blew this by giving them a last-chance corner that was totally unnecessary, and then they collectively blew it on the corner.

Brooker
04-20-2013, 05:33 PM
I say we start cheating.

PopePouri
04-20-2013, 05:34 PM
The team can't manage a game from start to finish. It's either complacency or mental or something. You could have put an excuse on other cases for this season. This one, there isn't. We dominated them for 90 minutes and they were down to 10 men.

OgtheDim
04-20-2013, 05:36 PM
On the bathurst car heading up as I type this.


Again, if I could have had the point when we started, I'd take it.

To me, from 111, the red was legit.

We stopped playing through the middle and everything died going down our right.

We don't know how to close out games. And we are welded to the 442. Califf for earnshaw would have been a better choice.


Take the point and learn.

notthesun
04-20-2013, 05:38 PM
They're not still our most energetic after 73 minutes. This had nothing to do with management. You're conflating two decisions with a bad conclusion that neither of those players had a role in, so that's not very logical.

In fact, we pushed TOO high for the last 10 minutes, giving a 10-man team a chance to counter. If we had played patient buildup and regularly switched fields, we could have used the man advantage to kill the game. So pushing high and different subs wouldn't have made a difference.

People need to stop grabbing the easiest answer and look for the one that actually connects to what happened. O'Dea blew this by giving them a last-chance corner that was totally unnecessary, and then they collectively blew it on the corner.

Yup. This was freak mistakes and continued inefficiency in defending corners and set pieces. Add in a mental block over closing out games and there's your recipe for disaster.

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:40 PM
They're not still our most energetic after 73 minutes. This had nothing to do with management. You're conflating two decisions with a bad conclusion that neither of those players had a role in, so that's not very logical.

In fact, we pushed TOO high for the last 10 minutes, giving a 10-man team a chance to counter. If we had played patient buildup and regularly switched fields, we could have used the man advantage to kill the game. So pushing high and different subs wouldn't have made a difference.

People need to stop grabbing the easiest answer and look for the one that actually connects to what happened. O'Dea blew this by giving them a last-chance corner that was totally unnecessary, and then they collectively blew it on the corner.

Problem was that Nelsen had other players (like Bostock, Califf and Bekker) who should have been subbed in instead of Wiederman, Henry (he's awful RB) and Osorio (Bekker or Bostock would have been better options to replace Silva as a AM than Osorio).

OgtheDim
04-20-2013, 05:40 PM
oh, and players. When you tie or lose, you still come over and thank the fans. Somebody did. And Braun, who looked dazed. The rest of you didn't. Not cool.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:41 PM
Agree with everything here.

Like I predicted when Boss was signed. Henry`s developmental minutes are none existent now, and we are now developing an American Cb:(

TFC07
04-20-2013, 05:43 PM
Agree with everything here.

Like I predicted when Boss was signed. Henry`s developmental minutes are none existent now, and we are now developing an American Cb:(

Henry needs to be loaned somewhere to get some playing time in the short term, but Henry still has a lot of upside to become very good CB in MLS. People forget that he's very young player (he just turn 20 today).

notthesun
04-20-2013, 05:45 PM
Problem was that Nelsen had other players (like Bostock, Califf and Bekker) who should have been subbed in instead of Wiederman, Henry (he's awful RB) and Osorio (Bekker or Bostock would have been better options to replace Silva as a AM than Osorio).

There's really nothing to suggest Bekker would be better than Osorio. Osorio's outperformed him so far.

And why throw Bostock in when you're trying to close out a game? You want to play low-risk, possession soccer. Bostock is almost the complete opposite of that.

DoubleUp
04-20-2013, 05:46 PM
Dunno how anyone can blame this on Nelsen's choice of subs... Neither Earnshaw nor Silva could have prevented the goal, and Emory's injury forced Henry to come into the game.

It was a couple of simple, silly mistakes that cost 2 points.


Because you take pressure off your team defensively by attacking.

All this while leaving Lambe on the field who did nothing, the past two games.