TFC 2013 general player moves/speculation/etc.

[TOBOR !]

well, I'm glad to see we aren't gonna get pushed around by anyone.

This is our third and FINAL OFFER... however, if it's not enough we can bump it up, but it's still our FINAL OFFER.

[Haddy]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc)25s (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/359715126867267586)
Nelsen: new player signings this transfer window must have long-term impact. Full interview to come later today. #TFClive (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFClive&src=hash)

https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/359715126867267586

[Wolves_On_Tour]

you okay ?
I'll be fine.....
Just need a couple cold bevies and a few meaningful signings.

[bones]

I see Rey plays for a Spanish 2nd division team that was relegated, aka, bottom dweller. I know there's just something strangely familiar about that but I just can't put my finger on it...

[Milanista]

Man oh man this is funny. Nelsen's team does nothing but boot the ball up the pitch whenever the keeper or defenders touch it.

what do you expect, this team has always had a english feel to it...that is how they play football...time we play a more tactical game. Winter had the right idea, but he didn't have the players to play 4 3 3

[OgtheDim]

Man oh man this is funny. Nelsen's team does nothing but boot the ball up the pitch whenever the keeper or defenders touch it.

Oh please.......

In the first half, Bendik did 2 kicks up field on Saturday. The rest were throws and passes out to the defence. Yes I counted as its been a sore point to me. Now, Bendik's kick up fields are still useless. BUT, it ain't all hoofball.

And if you watched that game and thought the defence hoofed it up to Braun and Brockie all game, I wonder what game you were watching.

There are issues with TFC. Hoofball uber alles is not it.

[BuSaPuNk]

what do you expect, this team has always had a english feel to it...that is how they play football...time we play a more tactical game. Winter had the right idea, but he didn't have the players to play 4 3 3

And arguably was never given the time to completely get his system going. We rush to judgement and I feel that might happen here with KP and Nelsen. The more Leiwiekie runs his mouth about everything to do with MLSE the more I think he's going to rush to judgement and put his own stamp on this team. Hope i'm wrong.

[Ultra & Proud]

Oh please.......

In the first half, Bendik did 2 kicks up field on Saturday. The rest were throws and passes out to the defence. Yes I counted as its been a sore point to me. Now, Bendik's kick up fields are still useless. BUT, it ain't all hoofball.

And if you watched that game and thought the defence hoofed it up to Braun and Brockie all game, I wonder what game you were watching.

There are issues with TFC. Hoofball uber alles is not it.

Might as well give that up. As long as we have an English or English League experienced manager then we could play 6 mids like Barcelona with no aerial balls at all and it'd still be called hoofball. Some arguments just aren't worth bothering with.

[bones]

I would be pissed if I was the national post writer.

Why? I'd be pissed if I was the National Post Editor! Last time I'd trust that writer for their "sources".

[moralis]

Love this tweet by John Molinaro:

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 1m (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359716687173529600) Nelsen said they've identified major transfer targets. If they fall through, team has secondary targets

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359716687173529600

Does Nelsen believe Alvaro Rey is a major target. If so, TFC are in big trouble.

[Ultra & Proud]

And arguably was never given the time to completely get his system going. We rush to judgement and I feel that might happen here with KP and Nelsen. The more Leiwiekie runs his mouth about everything to do with MLSE the more I think he's going to rush to judgement and put his own stamp on this team. Hope i'm wrong.

Well if his interviews are anything to go by then the market itself may prevent him from doing just that. This Lieweke way Vs. The Payne way may be part of the delay in signings. You try to do it the big bosses' way and then when that fails you go back to what you wanted to do in the beginning and the big boss can't bitch about it.

[BuSaPuNk]

If that's the case wonder if our secondary targets come from the Iraqi Second Divsion lmao

[PopePouri]

Love this tweet by John Molinaro:

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 1m (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359716687173529600) Nelsen said they've identified major transfer targets. If they fall through, team has secondary targets

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359716687173529600

Does Nelsen believe Alvaro Rey is a major target. If so, TFC are in big trouble.

So you've seen him play or did you read a Paul Mariner scouting report?

[Ultra & Proud]

Love this tweet by John Molinaro:

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) 1m (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359716687173529600) Nelsen said they've identified major transfer targets. If they fall through, team has secondary targets

https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359716687173529600

Does Nelsen believe Alvaro Rey is a major target. If so, TFC are in big trouble.

Two things; first, I would call Rey a primary target as he has been in the picture from before the window was close to being open and second, every team has primary and secondary targets. That's how all the teams in Europe and the rest of the world do business. You can't always get your main targets. Go ask Moyes about that. He'll tell you.

[BuSaPuNk]

Well if his interviews are anything to go by then the market itself may prevent him from doing just that. This Lieweke way Vs. The Payne way may be part of the delay in signings. You try to do it the big bosses' way and then when that fails you go back to what you wanted to do in the beginning and the big boss can't bitch about it.

I hope so.

I wouldn't really agree with your second part though. As seen alot through MLSE when the major target wasn't able to be acquired and the back up was brought in half the time the coach/GM pays the price. I just can't see Leiweikie letting this go. He's used to getting what he wants with the Galaxy and Lakers and even to a point the Kings. The more he talks the more I think he's going to try and run everything himself. I fucking hate micromanagers.

[tfcleeds]

If that's the case wonder if our secondary targets come from the Iraqi Second Divsion lmaoMore likely, the Nigerian third division........http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/23/nigeria-match-fixing-life-ban-goals

[Super]

I wonder if it hurts our chances to have a rookie coach.

[Ultra & Proud]

I hope so.

I wouldn't really agree with your second part though. As seen alot through MLSE when the major target wasn't able to be acquired and the back up was brought in half the time the coach/GM pays the price. I just can't see Leiweikie letting this go. He's used to getting what he wants with the Galaxy and Lakers and even to a point the Kings. The more he talks the more I think he's going to try and run everything himself. I fucking hate micromanagers.
Oh no. It'll still happen. I have absolutely no doubt that Lieweke will get somebody massively big (not Forlan either - he isn't that big) and it will be sooner than later. I just don't think it can happen now as time is short and I think he realizes it. Maybe next year but I am sure he will be looking long and hard at his own list of superstars. When the time comes we'll be getting him no matter what Payne or Nelsen have to say about it.

[ag futbol]

Oh please.......

In the first half, Bendik did 2 kicks up field on Saturday. The rest were throws and passes out to the defence. Yes I counted as its been a sore point to me. Now, Bendik's kick up fields are still useless. BUT, it ain't all hoofball.

And if you watched that game and thought the defence hoofed it up to Braun and Brockie all game, I wonder what game you were watching.

There are issues with TFC. Hoofball uber alles is not it.
We're not full-out hoofball but there are problems. Bednik has the second lowest passing percentage of any starting keeper in the league. He's about 10% less than the median and 15-20% less than the best. That no doubt can partially be accounted for through our insistence of playing those balls straight at the forwards from goal kicks.

Also, according to these guys, we lead the league in long balls played (from the keeper at least). http://www.massivereport.com/2013/7/4/4494504/passing-out-of-the-back

This might not be saying more than we are a bad team incapable of playing the short game, but I tend to think it's at least partially on the account of a very conservatively minded coach.

[BuSaPuNk]

Oh no. It'll still happen. I have absolutely no doubt that Lieweke will get somebody massively big (not Forlan either - he isn't that big) and it will be sooner than later. I just don't think it can happen now as time is short and I think he realizes it. Maybe next year but I am sure he will be looking long and hard at his own list of superstars. When the time comes we'll be getting him no matter what Payne or Nelsen have to say about it.

I certainly hope your wrong.

We should be building a young talented core first. Then acquiring DPs that can come in to bring us over the top.

[Ultra & Proud]

I wonder if it hurts our chances to have a rookie coach.
I doubt it. At least to a player they have heard of Nelsen and know who he is as a player. You can get some MLS retread (like Mariner & Preki) or an English one (like Cummins) and pretty much everyone in South & Central America would have zero clue on who they were or how they manage. We had a rookie manager in Winter and he got Frings and Koevermans in. Probably because they knew of him as a player as he had no managing record and went with that.

[Oldtimer]

I wonder if it hurts our chances to have a rookie coach.

vs. a coach like Paul Mariner? Or vs. Bruce Arena?

[Ultra & Proud]

I certainly hope your wrong.

We should be building a young talented core first. Then acquiring DPs that can come in to bring us over the top.

Even though we are very shit, I still think there is the start of a decent core here (if they all stay - Mid and defense minus Hall if he starts). I look at when Lieweke got Beckham. That team was shit. Really shit. Almost as bad as us last year shit and then he built around Beckham even though he was old and used that name as a recruitment tool. It's probably not the best way to go as it could blow up real good but if we had a huge name guy right now I bet we wouldn't be getting in the arse so hard by all our transfer targets.

[pdubs]

I wonder what the wage bill will be for Alvaro Rey?

[Haddy]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)4m (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359721409431339008)
Brockie says he's here until Aug 26. Then he heads back to Australia. #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash)

Based on that, I'd like to see two forwards come in. The one we expected (who can hopefully replace Koev long-term) and another to replace JB.

[Ultra & Proud]

I wonder what the wage bill will be for Alvaro Rey?

Hopefully something short and fairly low with a higher priced option built in. Prove himself and then get the $$$.

[Ultra & Proud]

John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro)4m (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro/status/359721409431339008)
Brockie says he's here until Aug 26. Then he heads back to Australia. #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash)

Based on that, I'd like to see two forwards come in. The one we expected (who can hopefully replace Koev long-term) and another to replace JB.
When does their season end? At that point I expect him to sign here so unless we can score a guy to make Brockie redundant or a bench player then I'd hold off on two forwards. No point in settling for some crap we'll be saddled with like Lambe. Besides, it looks like scoring one player might be difficult this window much less two forwards.

[Super]

vs. a coach like Paul Mariner? Or vs. Bruce Arena?

Paul Mariner was also a newbie at the job - like Nelsen - except he had a short run at Plymouth Argyle. I don't count assistant coaching the same as head coaching. You can watch someone else doing the job, but that doesn't make you qualified.

No, I'm talking about Nelsen vs. a seasoned head coach - yes, like Bruce Arena.

Let's be honest here. If you're a player and you're made an offer to sign with a club, wouldn't you check out the coach's credentials? If the coach is brand, spanking new in the role, would this make you more or less likely to sign with the club?

[Ultra & Proud]

Paul Mariner was also a newbie at the job - like Nelsen - except he had a short run at Plymouth Argyle. I don't count assistant coaching the same as head coaching. You can watch someone else doing the job, but that doesn't make you qualified.

No, I'm talking about Nelsen vs. a seasoned head coach - yes, like Bruce Arena.

Let's be honest here. If you're a player and you're made an offer to sign with a club, wouldn't you check out the coach's credentials? If the coach is brand, spanking new in the role, would this make you more or less likely to sign with the club?
Question is; if you went down and talked to Forlan, Urruti, or any other South American player, would they even know who Arena or Sigi are, much less what they are about? And being a no name rookie never hurt Kreis in scoring players from the same regions we are looking in and he'd be even less known that Nelsen.

[Haddy]

When does their season end? At that point I expect him to sign here so unless we can score a guy to make Brockie redundant or a bench player then I'd hold off on two forwards. No point in settling for some crap we'll be saddled with like Lambe. Besides, it looks like scoring one player might be difficult this window much less two forwards.

His August return date coincides with Wellington's pre-season. Regular season starts in October.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/wellingtonphoenix/fixturesandresults

[AlanO]

We should be building a young talented core first. Then acquiring DPs that can come in to bring us over the top.

Agreed - and this is what Payne said when he joined the club.

Ever since Leiwecke came aboard, all the noises from the FO have been about big name signings.

Hopefully Leiwecke and Payne are on the same page. I'm not sure that they are.

[moralis]

Another interesting article from Neil Davidson:

MLSE boss Leiweke unwilling to judge Toronto FC braintrust in mid-season

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mlse-boss-leiweke-unwilling-judge-toronto-fc-braintrust-165919511.html

[Pint]

So is Rey a RM or a LM? Will he be pushing convey out of the lineup or osorio into the middle?

[BuSaPuNk]

Agreed - and this is what Payne said when he joined the club.

Ever since Leiwecke came aboard, all the noises from the FO have been about big name signings.

Hopefully Leiwecke and Payne are on the same page. I'm not sure that they are.

Yep and if that is what is happening I'm pretty scarred where this is headed. Let the GM do his job and build the team they way he wants to. That's why he's here. If he's getting pressure to do otherwise I'm not sure we're going to like the final product.

[Super]

Question is; if you went down and talked to Forlan, Urruti, or any other South American player, would they even know who Arena or Sigi are, much less what they are about? And being a no name rookie never hurt Kreis in scoring players from the same regions we are looking in and he'd be even less known that Nelsen.

They probably wouldn't have heard of Arena or Sigi, but they would likely do their due diligence and learn who would become their new boss. It HAS to mean something. Otherwise I wonder about those people. Who is my boss in life is EXTREMELY important to me as it effects my life and my career.

But sure, Kreis may not have had the same problems. But I've heard his name used many times in the past when we were about to sign rookies - and people would use his name as proof positive that you don't need experience to be an excellent head coach. That's true. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that experience means nothing. That's like saying education is meaningless because some people succeed without.

[moralis]

Rey can play right midfield or play centre midfield beside Laba. I think they will move Osorio to the middle and play Rey on the right side. Depends though on the other signings.

[BuSaPuNk]

Another interesting article from Neil Davidson:

MLSE boss Leiweke unwilling to judge Toronto FC braintrust in mid-season

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/mlse-boss-leiweke-unwilling-judge-toronto-fc-braintrust-165919511.html

The fingerpointing continues

[moralis]

Ultimately Leiweke RUNS this team. It's his call. I personally believe Leiweke wants the bring Bruce Arena to TFC. We will see.

[OgtheDim]

Hmmm....seems Lieweke wants a DP to join with and fit into the culture of the team. Doable but not necessarily attainable.

[Ultra & Proud]

Ultimately Leiweke RUNS this team. It's his call. I personally believe Leiweke wants the bring Bruce Arena to TFC. We will see.
Kind of seems that way. I like his subtle Gullit to Winter comparison and he was bang on with that one.

[Phil]

The fingerpointing continues

Not really, the headline is one thing, but the actual article is realistic in approach. He won't give comment as its mid season and thats fair. Its a pretty shitty spot we are in and a lot of the problems are inherited.

[Ultra & Proud]

Hmmm....seems Lieweke wants a DP to join with and fit into the culture of the team. Doable but not necessarily attainable.
Worked in LA. And with English and Irish guys too (GASP!).

[Haddy]

Ultimately Leiweke RUNS this team. It's his call. I personally believe Leiweke wants the bring Bruce Arena to TFC. We will see.

Guus Hiddink is available. I mean, he's seemingly coached everywhere else. Time for a new challenge.....the ultimate challenge!

Just sayin' ;)

[Areathrasher]

Ultimately Leiweke RUNS this team. It's his call. I personally believe Leiweke wants the bring Bruce Arena to TFC. We will see.

I was thinking about this last night. If he can't get Arena out of LA maybe he trys to get Bob Bradley back from Egypt??

[OgtheDim]

Lieweke has a point about the finger pointing at refs having to stop.


I'm guessing he's thinking Klinsmann. His comments about Gullit are pointed about lack of MLS knowledge.

[Ultra & Proud]

Yeah, the officiating sucks here. Accept it and get over it. No point in whining. If anything the endless bitching may cause even more calls to go against us as our rep as bitches grows.

And unlike Gullit, Nelsen isn't trying to force a foreign system on the league and he doesn't look down on it as inferior. Nelsen may fuck up his substitutions, especially with the timing of them, but his system is very MLS palatable.

[gdg_9]

Oh no. It'll still happen. I have absolutely no doubt that Lieweke will get somebody massively big (not Forlan either - he isn't that big) and it will be sooner than later. I just don't think it can happen now as time is short and I think he realizes it. Maybe next year but I am sure he will be looking long and hard at his own list of superstars. When the time comes we'll be getting him no matter what Payne or Nelsen have to say about it.

I really don't see us landing Lieweke's superstar DP this transfer window or even in the winter transfer window.
I do think he will land his massive superstar DP, but it will be during next summer's transfer window.

This has nothing to do with "time being short", or any other TFC Managment excuse.

It is because of one thing... Brazil 2014.

How many times have we heard rumblings of players making club decisions with an eye towards how it will affect their status with their National Team...

Let's face it, no matter how much MLS has/is improving, it is still not considered a premier league on a global scale.
A player of the stature Lieweke is talking about would not want to jeopardize their spot at the World Cup by moving to an inferior league the year before the tournament.

Once the World Cup is over, I see major players being much more open to the idea of coming to MLS.
There will not be the same resistance there is now, especially because for some of these players, 2014 could likely be their last World Cup anyway.


The plan for this window and next should be to assemble a good core with Young DP's and a quality supporting cast, to lay the foundation for the big splash next summer.

[Derko]

Worked in LA. And with English and Irish guys too (GASP!).

^ :hump:

[Pint]

@JohnMolinaro: Nelsen on signings: "Everybody is trying their hardest to get it done. I think there'll be a few announcements next couple of days." #TFC

[Ivy]

@JohnMolinaro: Nelsen on signings: "Everybody is trying their hardest to get it done. I think there'll be a few announcements next couple of days." #TFC
Boy oh boy... I can already see the shenanigans.

[ag futbol]

They probably wouldn't have heard of Arena or Sigi, but they would likely do their due diligence and learn who would become their new boss. It HAS to mean something. Otherwise I wonder about those people. Who is my boss in life is EXTREMELY important to me as it effects my life and my career.

But sure, Kreis may not have had the same problems. But I've heard his name used many times in the past when we were about to sign rookies - and people would use his name as proof positive that you don't need experience to be an excellent head coach. That's true. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that experience means nothing. That's like saying education is meaningless because some people succeed without.
Exactly what I was going to write.

[TOBOR !]

More likely, the Nigerian third division........http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/23/nigeria-match-fixing-life-ban-goals


"The captain of Akurba FC, Arijide Said Timothy, who scored three own-goals against his team, is believed to have been the arrowhead in the scandalous result. Thus, we recommend his ban from all football activities for life.

... so he's available.

[BuSaPuNk]

Not really, the headline is one thing, but the actual article is realistic in approach. He won't give comment as its mid season and thats fair. Its a pretty shitty spot we are in and a lot of the problems are inherited.

Oh completely agree. He's come into a shitshow that's for sure. I just don't like this Payne says one thing Leiwekie says another bull. Get on the same page and if Tim wants to call the shots then reassign Payne to take over for Cochrane and Leiwekie can be our president and GM.

[BuSaPuNk]

We all seen what too many hands in the cookie jar has done to previous MLSE teams. And I don't want it to happen here.

[Phil]

We all seen what too many hands in the cookie jar has done to previous MLSE teams. And I don't want it to happen here.

They all know their roles. Tim is high up and tends to do the forecasting but has an interest in 'soccer'. He also seemed to express and demonstrate a pretty good working relationship with Kevin and mentioned that they had a lot of talks in the previous weeks to ensure he is on the right page with them.

I think we are seeing them institute a media buzz campaign to promote the changes at MLSE (a very big company) and we tend to over react and read into every statement to the point where objectivity and intended messages are lost. I also don't like reading reporters interpritations of things, we have seen it many times how the author may gloss or miss intended points to only drill into some bullshit agenda. Most reporters don't care much for 'soccer' in Toronto so the slant can be on.

Of course its a worry bringing in a new CEO and mixing him with exisiting management but remember that AEG owned most of the MLS at one point and Payne has been involved in the MLS for a long time. They know each other and probably have worked together directly or indirectly in the past.

[BuSaPuNk]

They all know their roles. Tim is high up and tends to do the forecasting but has an interest in 'soccer'. He also seemed to express and demonstrate a pretty good working relationship with Kevin and mentioned that they had a lot of talks in the previous weeks to ensure he is on the right page with them.

I think we are seeing them institute a media buzz campaign to promote the changes the MLSE (a very big company) and we tend to over react and read into every statement to the point where objectivity and intended messages are lost. I also don't like reading reporters interpritations of things, we have seen it many times how the author may gloss or miss intended points to only drill into some bullshit agenda. Most reporters don't care much for 'soccer' in Toronto so the slant can be on.

Of course its a worry bringing in a new CEO and mixing him with exisiting management but remember that AEG owned most of the MLS at one point and Payne has been involved in the MLS for a long time. They know each other and probably have worked together directly or indirectly in the past.

Well said Phil. Your right I'm probably just so jaded from being a Leafs fan all my life it's hard to trust any mouth peice out of the MLSE office. But your right media spin is probably having a field day with everyone reacting either way.

Ill reserve my full judgement after this year is over. Lets see how this all pans out first.

Now back on topic where's our signings!!!! Lol

[Ultra & Proud]

I have been saying this for a while now but really, there must be someone in USL/NASL who can do what Lambe does (nothing), makes similar, and is domestic, right? There has to be.

[PopePouri]

I think we are seeing them institute a media buzz campaign to promote the changes the MLSE (a very big company) and we tend to over react and read into every statement to the point where objectivity and intended messages are lost.

You don't say. Actually it's more like a strawman argument with key words like "ML$E" (dollar sign needed) ending with the phrase "....I hope I'm wrong though".

[MartinUtd]

I have been saying this for a while now but really, there must be someone in USL/NASL who can do what Lambe does (nothing), makes similar, and is domestic, right? There has to be.

Here is a list of assists leaders for the current season

http://www.nasl.com/index.php?id=291&orderby=assists&getYear=2013

Coming in at #9: Kevin Harmse

[TFC07]

Here is a list of assists leaders for the current season

http://www.nasl.com/index.php?id=291&orderby=assists&getYear=2013

Coming in at #9: Kevin Harmse

One player on that list I don't mind to have is Shaun Saiko. He's still young enough to have on the roster and develop. I think Saiko can bring more to team than Lambe.

[Ultra & Proud]

Here is a list of assists leaders for the current season

http://www.nasl.com/index.php?id=291&orderby=assists&getYear=2013

Coming in at #9: Kevin Harmse

Sign him up! :drunk:

[v00d00daddy]

I disagree somewhat with what lieweke said about the league not changing.

The league has become more technical since TFC came in and I can only assume even more so since the creation of the league.

If the league doesn't continue to put a bit less of a premium on athleticism and a bit more on skill I think they're going to lose LOTS of fans.

That, and Canada (and the US) will never move towards being competitive on a global scale.

I understand that the North American player and mentality will always be more athletic based but that doesn't mean it is okay to stop there.

The US and Canada will never have world class teams (club or country) until they start producing world class players. If that isn't going to happen via MLS then where will it?

I know it can take long to produce a world class player....but it will NEVER happen if people like lieweke insist that the league shouldn't and won't evolve.

If MLS' goal is to be the calibre of the English championship (or any other league of that ilk) then it's all pointless. I'd bet they wanna be one of the best leagues in the world one day. That's not happening without change.

[tfcleeds]

One player on that list I don't mind to have is Shaun Saiko. He's still young enough to have on the roster and develop. I think Saiko can bring more to team than Lambe.I've always rated Saiko as well. And yes, he certainly couldn't do any worse than Lambe.

[Ultra & Proud]

I know it can take long to produce a world class player....but it will NEVER happen if people like lieweke insist that the league shouldn't and won't evolve.
Don't think he ever implied that it shouldn't evolve. He was pointing out what could be seen as Dutch arrogance in thinking MLS is beneath them and that they have a system that is far superior to anything over here and that it would be instantly successful. In the space of a few years I saw that happen twice so I think that's what he is referring to. Besides to anyone who follows all of MLS, it's clear that a lot of the teams are trying for something better than lower league England Football but it isn't always easy to be technically beautiful and proficient when your entire team's yearly payroll is like one weeks worth of a decent European based team's.

And also a lot of people on here are asking for us to sign a bunch of $100K to $200K young domestics to fill out our own roster at this point. However, most young domestics that come through the NCAA system are not technically sound and are bred and built for the athletic game. Until that changes or until the academies can pump out more technically proficient players then you have to live with the way of the league to survive, some may be prettier than others but most teams are still playing what can be called MLS style Football.

[ManUtd4ever]

Yep and if that is what is happening I'm pretty scarred where this is headed. Let the GM do his job and build the team they way he wants to. That's why he's here. If he's getting pressure to do otherwise I'm not sure we're going to like the final product.

Bingo. Leiweke needs to step back and let Payne do his job. Enough with the grandiose statements.

[v00d00daddy]

Don't think he ever implied that it shouldn't evolve. He was pointing out what could be seen as Dutch arrogance in thinking MLS is beneath them and that they have a system that is far superior to anything over here and that it would be instantly successful. In the space of a few years I saw that happen twice so I think that's what he is referring to. Besides to anyone who follows all of MLS, it's clear that a lot of the teams are trying for something better than lower league England Football but it isn't always easy to be technically beautiful and proficient when your entire team's yearly payroll is like one weeks worth of a decent European based team's.

But their system is and continues to be superior.

The Dutch produce better players than MLS. The best Dutch clubs are better than the best MLS clubs. The Dutch national team is better than the Americans and I won't even mention ours lol.

Look at the best leagues and footballing nations in the world. They may not be identical or even similar in some cases but one thing they all share: they don't make athleticism the hallmark of their footballing mentality.

Want to compete with the best teams? Better get on the same program. Or it will never happen.

In terms of his dp philosophy. I tend to agree. As long as its the right one.

Get the right guy(s) and you can build your philosophy around him. And then seek out like minded personnel.

[Villa TFC]

I don't think the US or Canada will ever consistently create highly-gifted world-beating players because kids here don't live with a ball at their feet from the age of 3 onwards as they do in Latin America, Europe or Africa. Children in those areas of the world play football for hours a day every day. It's often the only sport they play. By the time they consider joining an organised league, they've been kicking the ball around for years so they have a comfort with it. Here, often the only time kids kick a ball around is when they're in an organised league...and football is just one of many interests that include baseball, basketball, computer games, the internet, TV etc etc. not to mention a 5-month winter and coaches that in many cases never played much football themselves. That said, the US is of a decently competitive level on the international stage and I think they've realised that if you don't have the natural skills of the best players/teams, you had at least better be strong and supremely physically fit.

[jabbronies]

But their system is and continues to be superior.

The Dutch produce better players than MLS. The best Dutch clubs are better than the best MLS clubs. The Dutch national team is better than the Americans and I won't even mention ours lol.

Look at the best leagues and footballing nations in the world. They may not be identical or even similar in some cases but one thing they all share: they don't make athleticism the hallmark of their footballing mentality.

Want to compete with the best teams? Better get on the same program. Or it will never happen.

In terms of his dp philosophy. I tend to agree. As long as its the right one.

Get the right guy(s) and you can build your philosophy around him. And then seek out like minded personnel.

Athleticism is key - however, it's not the be all and end all of football. At the end of the day an athletic team will be running around the pitch while the technical team just passes the ball around them until they get tired. Then they open up and do a bit of running of their own.

[ProfessorDamage]

"I think there'll be a few announcements in the next couple of days" -Nelsen, today. Link: http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2013/07/23/ryan-nelsen-july-23-2013

EDIT: loving lots of what he saying. Says he'll take all the criticism, but will not put in short-term solutions to long-term problems, and wants to have a team that over the next few years has little player turnover. "Do it once, and do it right."

[v00d00daddy]

Athleticism is key - however, it's not the be all and end all of football. At the end of the day an athletic team will be running around the pitch while the technical team just passes the ball around them until they get tired. Then they open up and do a bit of running of their own.

Totally agree. I have no issue with having players that are mostly athletic as long as they're not all we have.

There's nothing wrong with MLS being an athletic, fitness league but if, when asked to describe the play of the league, our answer is and will always be "it's a very athletic league where fitness and tenacity are the most important thing", then we will never be more than the league we are now.

I wish we had higher goals. I'd like to see North America become a hotbed for football one day. Even if its 30-40 years down the road. But we have to head down that path sooner than later.

[Super]

"I think there'll be a few announcements in the next couple of days" -Nelsen, today. Link: http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2013/07/23/ryan-nelsen-july-23-2013

EDIT: loving lots of what he saying. Says he'll take all the criticism, but will not put in short-term solutions to long-term problems, and wants to have a team that over the next few years has little player turnover. "Do it once, and do it right."

Promising news. I've kinda let go of the hope for a big name player that could come into the team and instantly make us a lot better. But right now I just want to see some reinforcements - hopefully all starters as well.

[Richard]

I think the athleticism in the higher level leagues is underestimated, its quite deceiving because those players would rather use technique more than brute force.

[Haddy]

"I think there'll be a few announcements in the next couple of days" -Nelsen, today. Link: http://www.torontofc.ca/video/2013/07/23/ryan-nelsen-july-23-2013

EDIT: loving lots of what he saying. Says he'll take all the criticism, but will not put in short-term solutions to long-term problems, and wants to have a team that over the next few years has little player turnover. "Do it once, and do it right."

Isn't that what every manager says, in every league? It's incredibly rare to get it right the first time. Problem is, most managers only get one shot these days.

Here's hoping.

[Ultra & Proud]

But their system is and continues to be superior.

The Dutch produce better players than MLS. The best Dutch clubs are better than the best MLS clubs. The Dutch national team is better than the Americans and I won't even mention ours lol.
Their system has been in place and set up to produce players through academies, not colleges, for decades. That is why North America trails the rest of the football world. Our grass roots training comes from high school and college, both of which employ managers who are not exactly professional Football tacticians and even then, they train for what, a couple of hours per day during their seasons. Also, the best Dutch clubs should be better than MLS because they have no salary cap. They can buy and keep players dependent on the clubs overall financial ability rather than a league imposed number.

[Super]

I wish we had higher goals. I'd like to see North America become a hotbed for football one day. Even if its 30-40 years down the road. But we have to head down that path sooner than later.

I like to think that the MLS will be huge one day as well. But we'll have to do away with the parity and the salary cap - but to make sure that spending is still responsible. I think most people on here would rather have 6 new $300k guys (2 defenders, 2 midfielders and 2 strikers) in place of ONE Koevermans. Same money. We just aren't allowed to spread our cash now, and that hurts the team, the league, and our brand in the world.

[v00d00daddy]

Their system has been in place and set up to produce players through academies, not colleges, for decades. That is why North America trails the rest of the football world. Our grass roots training comes from high school and college, both of which employ managers who are not exactly professional Football tacticians and even then, they train for what, a couple of hours per day during their seasons. Also, the best Dutch clubs should be better than MLS because they have no salary cap. They can buy and keep players dependent on the clubs overall financial ability rather than a league imposed number.


I like to think that the MLS will be huge one day as well. But we'll have to do away with the parity and the salary cap - but to make sure that spending is still responsible. I think most people on here would rather have 6 new $300k guys (2 defenders, 2 midfielders and 2 strikers) in place of ONE Koevermans. Same money. We just aren't allowed to spread our cash now, and that hurts the team, the league, and our brand in the world.

I agree with both of you.

I just hope that when the day comes that the league is stable and popular enough to spend more money, we are no longer married to the idea that this league be about athleticism first and skill second.

Ultra.....your point about academy vs. ncaa is bang on. That's why I liked the Dutch regime. They had a long term plan when it came to the academy. Now I'm not sure what's happening over there.

[Ultra & Proud]

Really, the amount they raise the salary cap every year is a joke. In 2007 the league total attendance was 2.9M and last year was just over 6M. The average attendance per match is up around 2000 per match. There is finally some real advertising money and TV revenue floating around and yet every year the cap goes up what, $100K? In 2007 the cap was around $2.3M so the $600K it has increased in the past 6 years doesn't correlate to the actual growth of the league and it's revenue. Until a somewhat real number is put out there the league will be what it is and guys like Silva have to be moved on because you need to either save money or acquire allocation to make real moves. Without blowing the structure to hell I think something around $5M would work in this league and if the Columbuses of the league can't hack it then tough on them for being in a shit market.

[Ultra & Proud]

Ultra.....your point about academy vs. ncaa is bang on. That's why I liked the Dutch regime. They had a long term plan when it came to the academy. Now I'm not sure what's happening over there.

I agree but I think the Academy is still instilling technical as well as physical abilities on the kids. Remember Rongen is still in charge and he knows what he is doing. All I can go by is when we compete in those international tourneys and the kids never look bad and have had some good results against good academies in the past. Shame about the CSA going all gangster because that was a good gauge on our senior squad's development.

[Ivy]

Really, the amount they raise the salary cap every year is a joke. In 2007 the league total attendance was 2.9M and last year was just over 6M. The average attendance per match is up around 2000 per match. There is finally some real advertising money and TV revenue floating around and yet every year the cap goes up what, $100K? In 2007 the cap was around $2.3M so the $600K it has increased in the past 6 years doesn't correlate to the actual growth of the league and it's revenue. Until a somewhat real number is put out there the league will be what it is and guys like Silva have to be moved on because you need to either save money or acquire allocation to make real moves. Without blowing the structure to hell I think something around $5M would work in this league and if the Columbuses of the league can't hack it then tough on them for being in a shit market.
You sir, are brilliant. Absolutely accurate.

[PopePouri]

Their system has been in place and set up to produce players through academies, not colleges, for decades. That is why North America trails the rest of the football world. Our grass roots training comes from high school and college, both of which employ managers who are not exactly professional Football tacticians and even then, they train for what, a couple of hours per day during their seasons. Also, the best Dutch clubs should be better than MLS because they have no salary cap. They can buy and keep players dependent on the clubs overall financial ability rather than a league imposed number.

Agreed. The coaching at the young levels are a different level in Germany and the Netherlands. We're always playing catchup with development even when they first get introduced to an academy. Hopefully the CSA sticks the course for LTPD.

[Milanista]

meanwhile MTL signed their second DP today

[nonc]

Alvaro Rey signing is better than a lot more of nothing, I'd have taken a Spanish or Argentine pedestrian at this point. Will judge on MLS not Xerez. Kind of amusing though it reminds me of how we dropped Aleman from the Academy, no doubt he'd be a <$100,000 starter next to Osorio by now.

I'd rather watch Convey than Hall or Russell and move Osorio back to his natural position.

--------------Laba
Convey-----Osorio------Rey

[moralis]

Looking at the twitter page of Alvaro Rey's girlfriend: Seems like he's signed.

https://twitter.com/Gema_BM

The first three tweets are from a friend of Alvaro. Congratulatory tweets.

[Marc"2L"]

Looking at the twitter page of Alvaro Rey's girlfriend: Seems like he's signed.

https://twitter.com/Gema_BM

The first three tweets are from a friend of Alvaro. Congratulatory tweets.

i don't get how you find these things on twitter, any time I search it comes up with 2 or 3 current tweets and then everything is from days ago.

[BuSaPuNk]

i don't get how you find these things on twitter, any time I search it comes up with 2 or 3 current tweets and then everything is from days ago.

Refresh it as soon as it loads. It's a glitch on twitter.

[Couchy81]

Well if we have Rey that would be better than nothing

[Ultra & Proud]

meanwhile MTL signed their second DP today
They need all the help they can get to cover for their creaky backline. He doesn't play a position that we need. Interesting to see if he can help their defensive woes. As of now they've allowed one more goal than we have with a game in hand. Lucky for them they scored almost double the goals we have or they'd be sitting beside us at the arse of the table.

[Maltese Falcon]

Admittedly I haven't watched much TFC this year. I've been living in Manchester past 4 months or so. Finding it extremely difficult to watch this group after seeing Citeh live on a few occasions. I hope that Nelsen and co. has what it takes to turn this team around. They need some quality ASAP.

[notthesun]

I thought Rey's trial was unsuccessful? I have to admit it makes me think, if we have in fact signed him, that he's a backup plan to some guy we weren't able to get, or he's a panic move because we still have nobody.

But, as with any player, I reserve judgment until he takes the field.

[Pint]

Well from the articles posted earlier today it sounds like this was the 3rd offer... so Rey probably was our first choice.

[Wince]

Says he'll take all the criticism, but will not put in short-term solutions to long-term problems, and wants to have a team that over the next few years has little player turnover. "Do it once, and do it right."
I can get behind that line of thinking. Something this team need.

[jazzy]

I have been saying this for a while now but really, there must be someone in USL/NASL who can do what Lambe does (nothing), makes similar, and is domestic, right? There has to be.

don't get me started..:), ............simple proof I am totally void of all marbles I still come and sign into this thread thinking something is going to happen...........hahahah . is that an echo....this certainly when all else fails, points out I possibly could be sold a swamp in Florida.

[jazzy]

I don't think the US or Canada will ever consistently create highly-gifted world-beating players because kids here don't live with a ball at their feet from the age of 3 onwards as they do in Latin America, Europe or Africa. Children in those areas of the world play football for hours a day every day. It's often the only sport they play. By the time they consider joining an organised league, they've been kicking the ball around for years so they have a comfort with it. Here, often the only time kids kick a ball around is when they're in an organised league...and football is just one of many interests that include baseball, basketball, computer games, the internet, TV etc etc. not to mention a 5-month winter and coaches that in many cases never played much football themselves. That said, the US is of a decently competitive level on the international stage and I think they've realised that if you don't have the natural skills of the best players/teams, you had at least better be strong and supremely physically fit.

perfect ...exactly my feelings for years....just talk to any of ones friends from anywhere in the world..........esp the 'poorer' locations....soccer is a bridge to a dream , and way out, at relatively low cost.......until it gets 'pro' of course where the 'admini$trator$ take over..

[NolbertoS]

So with the Forlan deal pretty much dead. I have no hopes for TFC being competitive next year. Alvaro Rey seems like a Plan "B" pick. The Globe and Mail probably won't bother anything TFC related anytime soon. All these hyped signings have come to nothing now. I wonder if Nelson is honestly gonna stick around till next season. I sense Lieweke will slowly bring his own people to change TFC brand and mentality. Any other Plan"B" picks that are rumoured?? Miss the TFC of 2007 when the whole stadium was rocking and chanting :(

[T-boy]

I thought Rey's trial was unsuccessful? I have to admit it makes me think, if we have in fact signed him, that he's a backup plan to some guy we weren't able to get, or he's a panic move because we still have nobody.

But, as with any player, I reserve judgment until he takes the field.

It's hard to tell if it was unsuccessful or not. He's still under contract with another club in Spain (I think?) so I doubt he could be on trial for a long period - he probably had to leave after 2 weeks. He definitely seemed to be somebody they were interested in originally.

[OgtheDim]

I'm learning to discern who on here is

a) always depressed

b) always positive

c) cynical but hopeful

d) cynical, hopeful and knowledgable


Its making it easier to get through.

[Corpand]

Looking at the twitter page of Alvaro Rey's girlfriend: Seems like he's signed.

https://twitter.com/Gema_BM

The first three tweets are from a friend of Alvaro. Congratulatory tweets.

Creepy dude...but you never know.

[Still Kicking]

Please, please, please - put me in the d category, please!
Rey won't be at the DP level, will he?

[Gilberto9]

Admittedly I haven't watched much TFC this year. I've been living in Manchester past 4 months or so. Finding it extremely difficult to watch this group after seeing Citeh live on a few occasions. I hope that Nelsen and co. has what it takes to turn this team around. They need some quality ASAP.

Ahh a fellow blue!!

[nonc]

What ever happened to Guevara scouting Hondurans for us? I haven't heard a thing about him or possible Honduran signings since the day TFC announced the partnership.

[TOBOR !]

Refresh it as soon as it loads. It's a glitch on twitter.
Naw. Twitter loads tweets by popularity. Click the 'all' link and you'll get the most recent stuff.

[Richard]

What ever happened to Guevara scouting Hondurans for us? I haven't heard a thing about him or possible Honduran signings since the day TFC announced the partnership.

Apparently he plays basketball now. http://blogs.canoe.ca/reds/sports/former-tfc-midfielder-amado-guevara-is-apparently-a-pro-baller-now/

[Ultra & Proud]

Please, please, please - put me in the d category, please!
Rey won't be at the DP level, will he?
If he is then I fucking quit. I'm not even sure Hernan Beradello is DP worthy for Montreal either. For me, Rey is a player without a ton of options. His team is getting sent down to nowhere and he probably needs a fresh start as much as we need attacking players. I'd say a short deal at $100K tops with options. Then the possibility of better money. No need for Ricketts II here.

[Ultra & Proud]

So with the Forlan deal pretty much dead. I have no hopes for TFC being competitive next year. Alvaro Rey seems like a Plan "B" pick. The Globe and Mail probably won't bother anything TFC related anytime soon. All these hyped signings have come to nothing now. I wonder if Nelson is honestly gonna stick around till next season. I sense Lieweke will slowly bring his own people to change TFC brand and mentality. Any other Plan"B" picks that are rumoured?? Miss the TFC of 2007 when the whole stadium was rocking and chanting :(

Had to be plan A because he was in the mix for so long, a month? I'm sure he wasn't the big splash they wanted but maybe he is good. We'll see. People said he looked good in reserves. I didn't see anything of him though. I just hope there's a few more to go with him and hopefully a surprise or something.

[nonc]

If he is then I fucking quit. I'm not even sure Hernan Beradello is DP worthy for Montreal either. For me, Rey is a player without a ton of options. His team is getting sent down to nowhere and he probably needs a fresh start as much as we need attacking players. I'd say a short deal at $100K tops with options. Then the possibility of better money. No need for Ricketts II here.

I doubt Rey signs without 2014 guaranteed. I'd speculate it's the final 15ish games + 2014 for at least $150,000 considering Payne is slightly overpaying him. Maybe more like 160-175. Hopefully it's unbalanced and he's given a better rate during 2013 to keep as much cap as possible for 2014.

[MartinUtd]

Yeah just because we lost Forlan and bought Rey doesn't mean we're still not in the hunt for a big difference maker. We need players with Rey's profile to fill out the squad. In the past we'd over pay for quality and despite that players individual input, the squad as a whole would suffer. When you have to spread out $500k among 8 players you end up with Dan Gargen, Amadou Sanyang and a bunch of academy kids that never have a hope in hell of getting minutes.

[ag futbol]

Oriel Rossel earns 110k for SKC. So I hope, given this guy has a somewhat similar profile, that we didn't go very far over 150k.

[Yohan]

Oriel Rossel earns 110k for SKC. So I hope, given this guy has a somewhat similar profile, that we didn't go very far over 150k.
Rosell has zero games La Liga and 6 in Segunda div prior to signing for SKC. Rey has more attractive resume than Rosell (plus different positions)

[Marc"2L"]

Naw. Twitter loads tweets by popularity. Click the 'all' link and you'll get the most recent stuff.

Not an option on mobile :(

[ag futbol]

Rosell has zero games La Liga and 6 in Segunda div prior to signing for SKC. Rey has more attractive resume than Rosell (plus different positions)
As far as I can see, Rey has never played a La Liga game either. The only season Xerez played in La Liga Rey was at another club. He has much more game experience, I'll give you that, but he's also four years older and on the books at a worse club.

It's a mixed bag, IMO. So I hope we aren't tying up too many resources. How much would you pay?

[markie8002000]

From looks of his twitter account that he announced that he was leaving his club if you google translate it

[Ivy]

Woohoo first signing of the window! Open the flood gates!!!

[BuSaPuNk]

Woohoo first signing of the window! Open the flood gates!!!

Or let the hose trickle lol

[Morlesio14]

anything?

[TOBOR !]

Not an option on mobile :(

Then, what BuSa said. HTH ! :)

[Wolves_On_Tour]

anything?
anything, nothing and everything....all at once.

[ProfessorDamage]

anything, nothing and everything....all at once.

This very phrase defines what the club has been to me over the years. I could not have said it better.

[ProfessorDamage]

Also: latest from Leiweke sure doesn't sound like a big-name DP is a certainty this transfer window...

"It may be this window, it may be the next window. We have to find the right person. We are committed to spending the money, the owners have committed to that."

[Phil]

Tim said those exact words to me in the stands. He has to cover his ass about targets. He also seemed pretty excited about chasing Forlan.

[Ultra & Proud]

Also: latest from Leiweke sure doesn't sound like a big-name DP is a certainty this transfer window...

"It may be this window, it may be the next window. We have to find the right person. We are committed to spending the money, the owners have committed to that."
It can be never and I am totally fine with that.

[Stress]

Is it safe to assume that the Silva move was made to facilitate the signing of Rey? Although they are different positions, Rey can replace Osorio on the wing and Osorio can then act as CAM depth. Both Silva and Rey are a similar age (and lets hope wage) so all those upset about moving a (not so) young prospect will hopefully be appeased. Hopefully the remaining games this season will be enough to get him settled and he'll be firing on all cylinders come 2014. I definitely think we need to find a LW/LM option for next year though as Bobby C. won't cut it for very long.

[brad]

Is it safe to assume that the Silva move was made to facilitate the signing of Rey? Although they are different positions, Rey can replace Osorio on the wing and Osorio can then act as CAM depth. Both Silva and Rey are a similar age (and lets hope wage) so all those upset about moving a (not so) young prospect will hopefully be appeased. Hopefully the remaining games this season will be enough to get him settled and he'll be firing on all cylinders come 2014. I definitely think we need to find a LW/LM option for next year though as Bobby C. won't cut it for very long.

Probably can't assume that. Putting a roster together is like a puzzle. It may or may not be a straight swap. They could target a group of players based on available cap & available roster slots. Once they move single player, that could might change the picture.

[Haddy]

Is it safe to assume that the Silva move was made to facilitate the signing of Rey?

On the surface, yes. The timing of Silva's trade was very close to TFC's trial of and original offer for Rey, based on what Marca reported.

But I'm sure there is a bigger picture, or puzzle as Brad calls it, that the trade helped facilitate.

[Canary10]

I'm curious to see how Rey is. Hopefully a significant upgrade to Lambe on the right. (If Rey is a legitimate starter, I'd be prepared to keep Lambe off the bench for another year, as crazy as that sounds based on his play this year). If we could add just one really solid, creative midfielder to pair with Laba I think it would make a massive difference for this team and we might start seeing draws turn to wins. If we can get that during this transfer window I'll be very happy.

[Pint]

@ArmenBedakian: Alvaro Rey on his way to Toronto according to last RT. #TFC #TFCLive #MLS

Although I'm sure armen will be by soon to tell us this news as well.

[Corpand]

Little update on Neill. I think people have really overplayed any connection he has with Nelsen. Heard this morning that we are definitely not his primary choice. Hint hint, feels like the DeGuz fiasco where he settled for his third choice club just because of $$$.

[Ultra & Proud]

I'm curious to see how Rey is. Hopefully a significant upgrade to Lambe on the right.
He'd pretty much have to be.

[Canary10]

He'd pretty much have to be.

Yeah, I almost said that. Okay, how about legitimate starter in MLS?

[gdg_9]

I'm curious to see how Rey is. Hopefully a significant upgrade to Lambe on the right. (If Rey is a legitimate starter, I'd be prepared to keep Lambe off the bench for another year, as crazy as that sounds based on his play this year). If we could add just one really solid, creative midfielder to pair with Laba I think it would make a massive difference for this team and we might start seeing draws turn to wins. If we can get that during this transfer window I'll be very happy.

I wouldn't. Not unless he gets his Perm. Res.

IMO Int'l spots shouldn't be wasted on a depth bench player.

[Haddy]

Yeah, I almost said that. Okay, how about legitimate starter in MLS?

He's at the right level according to his resume. But it's entirely too soon to answer that.

I wonder what the chances are that he is available for Saturday?

According to his Twitter feed, it appears his flight lands today.

[Milanista]

who the heck is this guy? I hope this guy is just a good starter and not some DP no one has heard of

[gdg_9]

who the heck is this guy? I hope this guy is just a good starter and not some DP no one has heard of

I really can't see any way he'd be a DP... You don't bring DP's in on trial and trot them out for your reserve squad with zero fanfare, and then go sign them to a big DP contract.

[Pint]

Did anyone see him play for the reserves?

[Yohan]

http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/07/considering-bernardello-impact.html

Pablo Aimar linked to MLS, more specifically LA Galaxy

*watches heads explode*

[Stress]

Did anyone see him play for the reserves?

I didn't see it but he assisted the first Koevs goal with a cross within the first 10 minutes (from what I recall from the twitter updates).

[Pint]

I didn't see it but he assisted the first Koevs goal with a cross within the first 10 minutes (from what I recall from the twitter updates).

Same I remember him having a good game according to twitter but didn't know if anyone had seen the game or if any video was available.

[TFC07]

http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/07/considering-bernardello-impact.html

Pablo Aimar linked to MLS, more specifically LA Galaxy

*watches heads explode*

Why would heads explode?

[Oldtimer]

http://www.soccerbyives.net/2013/07/considering-bernardello-impact.html

Pablo Aimar linked to MLS, more specifically LA Galaxy

*watches heads explode*

This is off-topic.

Non-TFC transfers go here: http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/showthread.php?33646-2013-MLS-%28non-TFC%29-transfer-rumours-thread/page3

[Greatest Ripoff]

They should replace Lambe with a domestic like Randy Edwini-Bonsu or Shaun Saiko (if a deal could be reached with Edmonton).

[Canary10]

The club is denying there is any deal apparently.

[CommradePolski]

Of course they are........:picard:

[Richard]

Plata is still a TFC player today. That all you need to know really.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/259535/AxI1eDHCEAEv2DJ_jpg_large.jpg

[Canary10]

Plata is still a TFC player today. That all you need to know really.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/259535/AxI1eDHCEAEv2DJ_jpg_large.jpg

Lol. That's my favourite cock up in TFC history.

[mowe]

Well presumably he's flying in today to sign the contract, so yeah there's nothing signed yet.

[barticusz]

If he can cross the ball into the box with 25% accuracy we are infinitely improved on the right side. Adding him and getting Koev's back into the game and we can finally win a game in 6 tries ;).

Anyone know how the Spanish second division compares to the premier in Argentina?

[jloome]

If he can cross the ball into the box with 25% accuracy we are infinitely improved on the right side. Adding him and getting Koev's back into the game and we can finally win a game in 6 tries ;).

Anyone know how the Spanish second division compares to the premier in Argentina?

Similar to the argentine second division, both with wildly varying team depth and skill.

[Milanista]

well i know serie b is a pretty solid league...guys like El Shawaary, Saponara, Verratti, Insigne...have recently graduated from the league are are all going to be very good players. I assume spanish second division is at least same qulaity as serie b

[dantdot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xa5qdcj7Bo

Here's some Mariner-esque scouting. Looks quality to me, scores the free kick and sets up the third goal(28 sec) with a perfect cross.

[ag futbol]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc)4m (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/360128449341435905)
.@tfcacademy (https://twitter.com/tfcacademy)'s Manny Aparicio getting his chance to train with the first team: http://ow.ly/nhwBr (http://t.co/lgtan9f6zT). #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash) #MLS (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLS&src=hash)

Good luck to him! Hope we continue to be able to bring players through to the first team. I can't remember much about him, anyone want to give a more detailed description?

[Greatest Ripoff]

Toronto FC ‏@torontofc (https://twitter.com/torontofc)4m (https://twitter.com/torontofc/status/360128449341435905)
.@tfcacademy (https://twitter.com/tfcacademy)'s Manny Aparicio getting his chance to train with the first team: http://ow.ly/nhwBr (http://t.co/lgtan9f6zT). #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash) #MLS (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MLS&src=hash)

Good luck to him! Hope we continue to be able to bring players through to the first team. I can't remember much about him, anyone want to give a more detailed description?


He is an attacking midfielder. Saw him play for the academy and he played in the centre of a midfield 3 in a 4-2-3-1 formation. The last time he played for the reserves he was played out on the flank. I do find it worrisome that the academy plays with with a central attacking midfielder and has been producing some good players (sergio camargo who is now off to the ncaa) but the first team doesn't use a player in that spot and instead, pushes those players out wide (like osorio). Manny is not very big but definitely didn't look out of place playing in a reserve match. I would imagine you'll see him, Dylan Sacramento, Chris Mannella and Eli Roubos all feature in the game against Pittsburgh on Saturday as they have all played in a few reserve matches so far.

[PopePouri]

He is an attacking midfielder. Saw him play for the academy and he played in the centre of a midfield 3 in a 4-2-3-1 formation. The last time he played for the reserves he was played out on the flank. I do find it worrisome that the academy plays with with a central attacking midfielder and has been producing some good players (sergio camargo who is now off to the ncaa) but the first team doesn't use a player in that spot and instead, pushes those players out wide (like osorio). Manny is not very big but definitely didn't look out of place playing in a reserve match. I would imagine you'll see him, Dylan Sacramento, Chris Mannella and Eli Roubos all feature in the game against Pittsburgh on Saturday as they have all played in a few reserve matches so far.

I actually think Nelsen wants to play that formation but does not have the players. He played a 4-4-1-1 many times in the beginning of the season but they lacked a proper no. 9 to hold the ball up and make it work.

[moralis]

Looks like River Plate has made an offer to TFC target Max Urruti:

River Plate is offering 1.5 million for 50% of his future transfer fee.

Noticias de River ‏@RiverPlateNotic (https://twitter.com/RiverPlateNotic) 4h (https://twitter.com/RiverPlateNotic/status/360070707134218240) River ofreció U$S1.500.000 por #Urruti (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Urruti&src=hash) por el 50% del pase.

Will TFC make a similar offer to Urruti like they did with Melano. Difference is Melano is 20. Urruti is 22. Urruti would only be under a young DP contract for one year.

[evermorian]

This inability of TFC to land these young players is another example of how MLS needs to start raising the cap quite significantly. Most MLS teams can't compete with even argentinian teams if the report about River Plate is true.

[Marc"2L"]

I love how one to two games without help has turned into 3 and its starting to shift to next season.

[ManUtd4ever]

If there were no imminent acquisitions in place, I really don't understand why a talented, young, domestic player like Silva was moved for allocation. My understanding is that allocation acquired in trades typically expires within a limited timeframe; usually the same season or the following season.

Silva's salary was very reasonable, and among the least burdensome contracts on the team. I understand the rationale in moving O'Dea, but moving Silva without concrete reinforcements in place is terrible asset management.

[ag futbol]

I don't really care about the games without help, but my bigger issue is they should have been preparing for this transfer window for months.

Plans, backup plans, backup backup plans, should have already been in place and we should have been flying out of the gate getting deals done. Instead it looks like we can't close and everyone is scrambling after months of anticipation. Doesn't look good on them.

[miker]

Don't know the technicalities but it seems very much like something changed. Around the time of the Silva move, we were being told the two-goal lead against the Impact would have been "comfortable" to protect with the "reinforcements" coming in. And then we were told Silva's time would have been limited by new players coming in. The language is different now and I think the situation has changed. I'm still hopeful .... but.

[barticusz]

After reading most of these posts I take it a lot of you are not in the acquisition business (regardless of what the acq. is). Agreements/contracts and the negotiating process can take a very long time (I'm talking years). In sports I presume that they may negotiate outside the transfer windows, but if this is not the case it makes it that much harder to strike a deal. Getting a signature on a piece of paper is much harder than it seems.

[miker]

After reading most of these posts I take it a lot of you are not in the acquisition business (regardless of what the acq. is). Agreements/contracts and the negotiating process can take a very long time (I'm talking years). In sports I presume that they may negotiate outside the transfer windows, but if this is not the case it makes it that much harder to strike a deal. Getting a signature on a piece of paper is much harder than it seems.

True, but a lot of people are also going by the words of the coach and GM. They're the ones in the best position to know and they've given reason to think significant signings are coming soon.

[Marc"2L"]

True, but a lot of people are also going by the words of the coach and GM. They're the ones in the best position to know and they've given reason to think significant signings are coming soon.
yeah this pretty much right here, this

[notthesun]

After reading most of these posts I take it a lot of you are not in the acquisition business (regardless of what the acq. is). Agreements/contracts and the negotiating process can take a very long time (I'm talking years). In sports I presume that they may negotiate outside the transfer windows, but if this is not the case it makes it that much harder to strike a deal. Getting a signature on a piece of paper is much harder than it seems.

Fair enough, but in this case all I ask is not to get filled with false hope by our GM. Payne has been all over the media talking about DP targets, young DP targets, and other players, totaling "4 or 5 players" he's looking to bring into the squad this window. It's looking incredibly unlikely that that happens.

It's a worrying trend I've been noticing. Back when we were originally after Urruti, he said he'd be announcing his (didn't specify him but it was widely rumoured to be him) signing "in the coming days". And we're still after him, apparently.

He announced Tal Ben Haim's signing before they even had a deal.

Now he's talking up 4 or 5 players when we've only come close to signing one (Rey).

Back in the summer window when he was first hired, he didn't say a word all summer. These boards were getting pretty nervous, myself included, then he came up with 5 or so signings in the last few days before our opening match against Vancouver. I don't care about the quality of those signings, I'm just talking about his approach to them. I'd much prefer complete silence to him hyping us all up, only to let us down. I don't see the advantage for him either. If he signs 5 players this window, it's "Good, he stuck to his plan". If he didn't say a thing and sings 5 players, it's "Holy shit! 5 players out of nowhere! Great job Payne!"

[Ultra & Proud]

True, but a lot of people are also going by the words of the coach and GM. They're the ones in the best position to know and they've given reason to think significant signings are coming soon.
Window has been open two weeks so what is "soon"? To some people here it seems to mean immediately but "soon" to Payne may well mean a few weeks. And anybody notice how many transactions have gone on league wide? Minimal. They can't all be Aron Winter windows when 15 players move in and out and you just settle for whatever you can get. If they want to take their time and choose right then I am good with that. Frustrated for sure but I'd rather have us get no one this window than go and overpay for scrubs like we have in the past.

[Ultra & Proud]

Fair enough, but in this case all I ask is not to get filled with false hope by our GM. Payne has been all over the media talking about DP targets, young DP targets, and other players, totaling "4 or 5 players" he's looking to bring into the squad this window. It's looking incredibly unlikely that that happens.

It's a worrying trend I've been noticing. Back when we were originally after Urruti, he said he'd be announcing his (didn't specify him but it was widely rumoured to be him) signing "in the coming days". And we're still after him, apparently.

He announced Tal Ben Haim's signing before they even had a deal.

Now he's talking up 4 or 5 players when we've only come close to signing one (Rey).

Back in the summer window when he was first hired, he didn't say a word all summer. These boards were getting pretty nervous, myself included, then he came up with 5 or so signings in the last few days before our opening match against Vancouver. I don't care about the quality of those signings, I'm just talking about his approach to them. I'd much prefer complete silence to him hyping us all up, only to let us down. I don't see the advantage for him either. If he signs 5 players this window, it's "Good, he stuck to his plan". If he didn't say a thing and sings 5 players, it's "Holy shit! 5 players out of nowhere! Great job Payne!"

If Payne and Nelsen said nothing so far this board would have went nuclear with endless rants and whining on how the management is crazy in thinking this shit squad is good enough, how ML$E is going to raise ticket prices and save money at the same time by signing no players, and/or how the backstabbing power struggle between Lieweke and Payne is making them sabotage each others deals as they aren't on the same page so now there's no hope or reason to go or follow this loser team anymore. Everyone should know these things by now. A majority of supporters are never happy, ever, with anything involving TFC and the team can never win.

[miker]

Supporters have the right to be unnerved by the actions and words of the people running the team they love.

[69Chevy396]

This inability of TFC to land these young players is another example of how MLS needs to start raising the cap quite significantly. Most MLS teams can't compete with even argentinian teams if the report about River Plate is true.
Other mls teams seem to be managing ok.

[69Chevy396]

Window has been open two weeks so what is "soon"? To some people here it seems to mean immediately but "soon" to Payne may well mean a few weeks. And anybody notice how many transactions have gone on league wide? Minimal. They can't all be Aron Winter windows when 15 players move in and out and you just settle for whatever you can get. If they want to take their time and choose right then I am good with that. Frustrated for sure but I'd rather have us get no one this window than go and overpay for scrubs like we have in the past.I always look forward to your replies, you are ever the optimist, and that is a good thing, but often your posts read like an mlse press secretary release.

[ag futbol]

If Payne and Nelsen said nothing so far this board would have went nuclear with endless rants and whining on how the management is crazy in thinking this shit squad is good enough, how ML$E is going to raise ticket prices and save money at the same time by signing no players, and/or how the backstabbing power struggle between Lieweke and Payne is making them sabotage each others deals as they aren't on the same page so now there's no hope or reason to go or follow this loser team anymore. Everyone should know these things by now. A majority of supporters are never happy, ever, with anything involving TFC and the team can never win.
I don't think this is particularly fair. Of course there are people who are still not happy, this club is still a complete mess. Expectations could not get much lower than what they are. Yes we've been looking for signings from the start of the window, but here is the context: team is slow starting from the time management came in, they readily managed our expectations to look one window ahead. And we aren't asking them to instantly fix the team or do it all at once, but to add pieces so we can steadily build our roster.

We weren't ready to really be active in the pre-season. We are now having issues closing deals in this window and from the looks of it we had some fall through prior to this. Negotiations take time, but at a certain point you need to be able to close. What will the attitude be 6 months from now if they give us the same song and dance? As far as I can see, there isn't too much that's going to change in their circumstances except we're going to be behind the 8-ball even further in terms of making progress with our rebuild. Work not completed in this window will have to be done another time and it will be a missed opportunity.

[barticusz]

I agree that they shouldn't speak publicly about potential deals because as we can see things can fall apart very quickly. At the same time they're not selling false hope because they are indeed doing their best to get players. To think that they do not is nonsense. These guys are just like you and I, they want to see the team be successful, only difference is they are in the position of power to make that change happen.

They are selling hope because that's all they have going for them this season, and they can do that because they're doing the utmost to help get this team going in the right direction.

[Ultra & Proud]

I always look forward to your replies, you are ever the optimist, and that is a good thing, but often your posts read like an mlse press secretary release.
I wish I had that job.

But things are fucked up and getting young DPs like I would want probably won't happen as easy as Laba did. The big time DP hopefully won't happen for a while. At least until some more pieces are in place. At this time the team is pretty shite but more organised and responsible defensively than it has been since Preki did his thing. Can still improve but still better than anything we've seen in 2 years. I can see ideas for real football coming through the midfield. We just have no connection to the forwards and when we do link up the finishing is suspect at best.

In my opinion, with 2-3 attacking signings with at least 1 mid and 1 forward (not Wiederman or Lambe quality either) we could turn around some of these draws and 1 goal losses and elevate back to our previous high point of shit (a pace for high 30's in points played over a whole season). At this point I would be more than happy with that.

[Ultra & Proud]

Negotiations take time, but at a certain point you need to be able to close. What will the attitude be 6 months from now if they give us the same song and dance? As far as I can see, there isn't too much that's going to change in their circumstances except we're going to be behind the 8-ball even further in terms of making progress with our rebuild. Work not completed in this window will have to be done another time and it will be a missed opportunity.
Opportunity is what it is. You can't force good players to come. You make your pitch and talk a good game but when dealing with players other teams, especially good teams, want then you throw your offer down and see what happens. Putting in transfer requests is taking the opportunity. Getting rejected is sometimes the outcome.

[Haddy]

Some of you are about to roll your eyes...but...

Atletico Mineiro won the Copa Libertadores last night, coming back from a 2-nil first leg deficit.

Ronaldinho, 33, has 6 months left on his contract. He won't be on the WC squad next year, so maybe it's about time he takes one last big-money deal ;)

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/ronaldinho-leads-team-to-copa-libertadores-title/

[razor787]

Not sure how how his form has been, but if hes half as good as he used to be, I would love to see him in a tfc kit. Would also be a big name like lewickie wants. Id be open to a 2 year deal, with team option for a 3rd.

[Wolves_On_Tour]

His dental plan would cost more than Forlan's contract offer.

[Ultra & Proud]

His dental plan would cost more than Forlan's contract offer.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gmIzPO3gPB0/SJY6ZwlwjiI/AAAAAAAABBY/-zFXYYWGtTk/s320/DSC_2604daisyteeth.jpg

[BuSaPuNk]

Some of you are about to roll your eyes...but...

Atletico Mineiro won the Copa Libertadores last night, coming back from a 2-nil first leg deficit.

Ronaldinho, 33, has 6 months left on his contract. He won't be on the WC squad next year, so maybe it's about time he takes one last big-money deal ;)

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/ronaldinho-leads-team-to-copa-libertadores-title/

Was readin that he looked gassed half way trough the game.

[Ultra & Proud]

If we have to get a big name DP then I would hope it would be a can't miss type of one and not one we're taking a gamble on production-wise just because everyone knows who he is. I see him as one of the gambles. He has been in decline for years and there is no certainty that he can hack it here physically or if he'd even be into it mentally. Seems to me that he 'checked out' of a lot matches at Milan near the end.

[Canary10]

I'm not in the sports biz, and I'm sure it takes time to nail down contracts. But, my expectation was that there were at least one or two players they had been working on for months, had deals ready with and were just waiting until the window opened to put pen to paper to make official. The fact that we keep hearing some of the stronger rumoured signings have signed elsewhere suggests to me things either fell apart, or they weren't that close to begin with. For me that's the worry.

It puts some of our other deals in a different light too. I can see the logic in moving Silva for example, but not if there isn't an upgrade at that position in this window. They might as well have kept him and moved in the off season. Also makes me worry that the revert to form and panic buy. I would still rather see nothing than an O'Dea deal. The way the team is right now, it's competitive 95% of the games. We could go the season with this lineup if need be. Don't go ruining next year with an out of whack contract to show the fans they are doing something!

[Haddy]

If we have to get a big name DP then I would hope it would be a can't miss type of one and not one we're taking a gamble on production-wise just because everyone knows who he is. I see him as one of the gambles. He has been in decline for years and there is no certainty that he can hack it here physically or if he'd even be into it mentally. Seems to me that he 'checked out' of a lot matches at Milan near the end.

I can't speak to the physical game, but Ronaldinho has been in-form for the past season which earned him a call-up for a Brazil friendly earlier this year. He's rated again by many clubs in Europe. The thinking is he's finally got his act together - just too little too late for the WC squad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23317334

In the past 12 months with Atletico Mineiro, he has played his best football since those Barcelona glory days. And now his team are just a two-legged final away from being crowned champions of South America - thus setting up the prospect of a meeting with Guardiola in December's World Club Cup. - Tim Vickery, BBC

[CBTFC]

Hey Canary10...judging from your name and photo, you're a fellow Norwich City fan.

Now, before people get all huffy and puffy and "THIS THREAD IS FOR TFC TRANSFER RUMOURS ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH", I think it's relevant to quickly discuss what Norwich have managed to accomplish this transfer window.

Some smart, smart moves on bringing in the likes of Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, Leroy Fer and now to soon be confirmed, Gary Hooper from Celtic. Any of these guys could've easily gone to a squad who was a for sure contender in their domestic league/champions league/etc, but they chose to head to Norwich because they've created a positive, "moving in the right direction" mentality. Whereas, TFC has not.

I agree with many others in that players of high calibre may not want to come here because of the past 6 years, with such high player/coach turnover, mismanagement/etc.

Wish I could've been a fly on the wall during DeRo's and Silva's first conversation when he landed @ DC.

[Canary10]

Hey Canary10...judging from your name and photo, you're a fellow Norwich City fan.

Now, before people get all huffy and puffy and "THIS THREAD IS FOR TFC TRANSFER RUMOURS ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH", I think it's relevant to quickly discuss what Norwich have managed to accomplish this transfer window.

Some smart, smart moves on bringing in the likes of Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, Leroy Fer and now to soon be confirmed, Gary Hooper from Celtic. Any of these guys could've easily gone to a squad who was a for sure contender in their domestic league/champions league/etc, but they chose to head to Norwich because they've created a positive, "moving in the right direction" mentality. Whereas, TFC has not.

I agree with many others in that players of high calibre may not want to come here because of the past 6 years, with such high player/coach turnover, mismanagement/etc.

Wish I could've been a fly on the wall during DeRo's and Silva's first conversation when he landed @ DC.

Nathan Redmond also. I'm optimistic. I think they've made kind of under the radar but significant signings this off season (ie. no big splashes, but players of real quality). They look like a team that should have some longevity in the EPL. TFC should follow that model in my opinion. Instead we go the QPR route of paying too much for players with something of a name who never live up.

Ok, end of diversion.

[TOBOR !]

Hey Canary10...judging from your name and photo, you're a fellow Norwich City fan.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews20/a%20Columbo%20Peter%20Falk%20Season%204%20DVD%20Re view/a%20Columbo%20Peter%20Falk%20Season%204%20DVD%20Re view%20PDVD_011.jpg

.. sorry - I just had to.

[Milanista]

[QUOTE=Haddy;1603480]Some of you are about to roll your eyes...but...

Atletico Mineiro won the Copa Libertadores last night, coming back from a 2-nil first leg deficit.

Ronaldinho, 33, has 6 months left on his contract. He won't be on the WC squad next year, so maybe it's about time he takes one last big-money deal ;)

I would love to see him, man is he fun to watch. I went to Milano to see his first game in the red and black colours, and my god he is a wizard with the ball. Watching him do his pre-game warm ups and keep ups, simply amazing...but yeah he loves brazil too much and won't leave. But that would be beyond amazing if he came for 1-2 yrs

[Wince]

they chose to head to Norwich because they've created a positive, "moving in the right direction" mentality. Whereas, TFC has not.

I think Leiweke/Payne/Nelson are moving the team in the right direction but it's gonna take some time to overcome the reputation of the past. There is no mad rush of players wanting to come here... that much should be obvious by now, but if they stay the course, keep the turn-over low both on the field and in the FO, we'll eventually see Norwich is experiencing.

[tfcleeds]

Hey Canary10...judging from your name and photo, you're a fellow Norwich City fan.Now, before people get all huffy and puffy and "THIS THREAD IS FOR TFC TRANSFER RUMOURS ONLY BLAH BLAH BLAH", I think it's relevant to quickly discuss what Norwich have managed to accomplish this transfer window.Some smart, smart moves on bringing in the likes of Ricky Van Wolfswinkel, Leroy Fer and now to soon be confirmed, Gary Hooper from Celtic. Any of these guys could've easily gone to a squad who was a for sure contender in their domestic league/champions league/etc, but they chose to head to Norwich because they've created a positive, "moving in the right direction" mentality. Whereas, TFC has not.I agree with many others in that players of high calibre may not want to come here because of the past 6 years, with such high player/coach turnover, mismanagement/etc.Wish I could've been a fly on the wall during DeRo's and Silva's first conversation when he landed @ DC.You guys have made some good signings, but I thought Hooper was on the verge of signing with QPR? Oh, and BTW, now that he's surplus to requirements, could you please send us Becchio back? ;) EDIT: Looks like you guys did beat QPR - has agreed terms with Norwich and is having a medical today. Anyway, /thread hijack

[Canary10]

You guys have made some good signings, but I thought Hooper was on the verge of signing with QPR? Oh, and BTW, now that he's surplus to requirements, could you please send us Becchio back? ;)

I wondered if you were going to say that. :)

[Canary10]

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews20/a%20Columbo%20Peter%20Falk%20Season%204%20DVD%20Re view/a%20Columbo%20Peter%20Falk%20Season%204%20DVD%20Re view%20PDVD_011.jpgReply With Quote (http://forums.redpatchboys.ca/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1603511)

.. sorry - I just had to.

Lol.

[OgtheDim]

So...if the tweets were true and that guy we were talking about yesterday as ready to sign was on a plane....is he stuck in Moscow looking for a transit visa or something?

[Super]

I'd take stroke boy Ronaldinho in a heartbeat. Beggers can't be choosers at this point, and he'd certainly be the best player on the team the very second he steps onto the pitch. How can we say no to that? Check our results this season.


So...if the tweets were true and that guy we were talking about yesterday as ready to sign was on a plane....is he stuck in Moscow looking for a transit visa or something?

Hahaha brilliant!!

[BuSaPuNk]

@JuanG_Arango: As much as I love Ronaldinho, he looked drained last night. Lacks the pace and precision and fades away in matches.

This is why I wouldn't want him here. I'd rather take a shot at a younger player from Brazil, Argentina, ect that is fit has a future and doesn't have the reputation of disappearing during matches.

[Pint]

I would assume that Rey landed late last night and is signing the papers this morning. We will hopefully see him training today with an announcement at some point. But again everything I just typed is my assumption.

[BuSaPuNk]

^ someone swing by BMO to make sure atleast the weather is better then the Forlan sighting lmao

[ag futbol]

Ronaldinho has actually been very good, with the exception of the last few games of the copa. He's been crucial to CAM in league play.

I don't think I would take a chance on him though. He's more comfortable in brazil and doubt he'd stay focused in MLS

[Pint]

^ someone swing by BMO to make sure atleast the weather is better then the Forlan sighting lmao

Wouldn't most of that take place at the training ground? Or does tfc still keep the offices at BMO?

[BuSaPuNk]

Okay we need two people one at BMO and one at the training grounds lol

Love how we have 63 people on this thread just chomping at the bit for a signing.

[Ultra & Proud]

Well nothing will be done by Saturday at this point so we can look forward to another 0-0 thriller.

[OgtheDim]

Well nothing will be done by Saturday at this point so we can look forward to another 0-0 thriller.

You know, our offence sucked donkey dung but watching Caldwell and Laba deal with Henri et al was actually fun to watch.

Unfortunately, not the same level of offensive threat this week. :(

[Super]

I thought the NYRB was highly entertaining. It was actually strange to walk away satisfied with the level of play, and I thought we were all over NYRB in the second half.

I hope we can follow up with a good performance against Columbus. It's one of two teams I love to beat - regardless of what is at stake. Other one being Montreal of course.

[Ultra & Proud]

I enjoyed the NYRB match too but a goal or two would be nice at some point, especially at home.

[Derko]

I thought the NYRB was highly entertaining. It was actually strange to walk away satisfied with the level of play, and I thought we were all over NYRB in the second half.

I hope we can follow up with a good performance against Columbus. It's one of two teams I love to beat - regardless of what is at stake. Other one being Montreal of course.

I felt the same, although was in Scotland for the Montreal match.

A signing or 2 in the next few days I think will give my anticipation a bit of a rest!!

[Red I]

Well nothing will be done by Saturday at this point so we can look forward to another 0-0 thriller.

I think Rey will be signed very soon, no need to schmooze the guy or anything, deal should be done.

News may be withheld until Saturday, but looks like dude's been on vacation mode since his trial, so doubtful he's fit to play, but late game sub? Never know, he may still factor into that game somehow. Also, i don't think having him Saturday would instantly make the team better; might take a long time training to get used to the style of play here

[Nuvinho]

TFC tried to package both Morgan and Frei with Califf
http://www.phillysoccerpage.net/2013/07/25/danny-califfs-return-to-philly-what-went-wrong/

Califf didn’t learn until I told him Monday that the trade talks broke down largely because, according to Union chief executive Nick Sakiewicz, Toronto had packaged into the deal goalkeeper Stefan Frei and left back Ashtone Morgan. At one point, Chicago was involved in a three-team proposal that would have sent Bakary Soumare to Chicago. (Soumare eventually went to Chicago in a separate deal (http://www.phillysoccerpage.net/2013/05/23/bakary-soumare-traded-to-chicago/).) Califf had no idea other players were involved.
“It was like we were solving Toronto’s (salary budget) problem more than anything,” Sakiewicz said. “Why would we want Frei and Morgan? We have a good goalkeeper and better defenders. Toronto was trying to solve a problem. It’s not our problem. It’s theirs.”
Sakiewicz said that if Califf was available on a manageable salary, the Union would consider signing him.
“If you release Danny Califf today, absolutely, let’s go,” Sakiewicz said.
That sounds like a happy ending is possible for Califf and the Union. But if you paid attention to Califf’s ordeal the last two seasons, you might understand why he lost hope.
“Reading between the lines, Danny’s pretty frustrated with the last 14 months of his career,” Hackworth said. “That’s not the way he should have gone out.”

[Nuvinho]

“I was signed by Paul Mariner,” Califf said. “It was more Paul Mariner and Earl Cochrane. Then Ryan and Kevin came in.”

[PopePouri]

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN)32s (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/360423739533438976)
OFFICIAL: Toronto FC to add Spanish midfielder Alvaro Rey http://blogs.canoe.ca/reds/sports/26781/#.UfFGF9lARF0.twitter … (http://t.co/Wt1Tl2PkrR) #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash)

There it is.

[TFC1154ever]

Looks like River Plate has made an offer to TFC target Max Urruti:

River Plate is offering 1.5 million for 50% of his future transfer fee.

Noticias de River ‏@RiverPlateNotic (https://twitter.com/RiverPlateNotic) 4h (https://twitter.com/RiverPlateNotic/status/360070707134218240) River ofreció U$S1.500.000 por #Urruti (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Urruti&src=hash) por el 50% del pase.

Will TFC make a similar offer to Urruti like they did with Melano. Difference is Melano is 20. Urruti is 22. Urruti would only be under a young DP contract for one year.

Anything more about this? This gave me a bit of hope. Thought we had lost out on this kid.

[ManUtd4ever]

An actual confirmed signing? Break out the bubbly! g:D

[Corpand]

That tidbit about squeezing Frei and Morgan into the deal shows why he hasn't been playing that often anymore. Nelsen's lost hope. Califf is truly a class act, wish him a successful scouting career. Who knows.

[Couchy81]

Wonder if Rey will play on Saturday.

[Pint]

Wonder if Rey will play on Saturday.

In Larson's write up it says it is possible he plays. Probably just depends on the ITC?

[Super]

Woohoo - we got a new player. Not sure how to feel about this one. Could be a good move. Hopefully he's not $200k+

[OgtheDim]

Nothing in that story says what the Union would have given up for Califf, nor what Toronto would have received. Frankly, if Philly wanted him enough, they have to expect to give/take something. In a salary cap league, who you take is just as important as what you want. We are only hearing one side of things.

[Morlesio14]

I watched a lot of liga adelente and Rey was very selfish with the ball. He is extremely slow and not a great crosser. He has a pretty good shot though.

[ag futbol]

“I was signed by Paul Mariner,” Califf said. “It was more Paul Mariner and Earl Cochrane. Then Ryan and Kevin came in.”
Sort of surprising but not too surprising i suppose.

MLSE really shit the bed in terms of oversight prior to the management change, which just adds to the theory that it was mandated from elsewhere / unexpected.

[PopePouri]

Cochrane actually looked good in the exchange. Then again they were dealing with Philly.

[jabbronies]

Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN)32s (https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN/status/360423739533438976)
OFFICIAL: Toronto FC to add Spanish midfielder Alvaro Rey http://blogs.canoe.ca/reds/sports/26781/#.UfFGF9lARF0.twitter … (http://t.co/Wt1Tl2PkrR) #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash)

There it is.

"Rey was on trial with TFC earlier in the summer, but was released after three weeks of training at Toronto’s Downsview facility."

Sounds like we got a great player coming in. Wasn't good enough to sign at first, but good enough now because we got squat on this team?

[Red I]

That tidbit about squeezing Frei and Morgan into the deal shows why he hasn't been playing that often anymore. Nelsen's lost hope. Califf is truly a class act, wish him a successful scouting career. Who knows.

The article states Califf would only play for Philly or Toronto, so you have to give credit to Payne for brokering some good faith... if there is a development deal in place next year for players to go on loan, I would not be averse to having Califf as a solid backup next year if he takes a huge cut

[Phil]

When I read that article the main points I got - Mariner and Earl signed him, Kevin accepted him. Then TFC tried to do a 3 way deal and it fell through, rightfully Philly didn't feel the need to fix the salary cap issue by taking on players they didn't have interest in. Then Earl does a killer deal to get Califf off the books to Philly and they don't respond back due to fear of tampering rules.

Then Califf retires because Philly said nothing, Philly express shock over how fast it was all done and think Califf deserved better at the end of his career (which we all do).

Philly had a disaster happen on the organizational level and they fixed it. We are currently fixing our mess after having some terrible signings and blowing our cap situation to hell. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

[Milanista]

"Rey was on trial with TFC earlier in the summer, but was released after three weeks of training at Toronto’s Downsview facility."

Sounds like we got a great player coming in. Wasn't good enough to sign at first, but good enough now because we got squat on this team?

lol he must be amazing

[Phil]

Sort of surprising but not too surprising i suppose.

MLSE really shit the bed in terms of oversight prior to the management change, which just adds to the theory that it was mandated from elsewhere / unexpected.

Or the opportunity to make the change came on fast and they pulled the trigger. I don't disagree with the thought that there was intervention, I just have 0 proof of it so it remains in theory land along with bigfoot and UFO's.

[Red I]

I watched a lot of liga adelente and Rey was very selfish with the ball. He is extremely slow and not a great crosser. He has a pretty good shot though.

Selfish with a good shot... GOOD!

[Phil]

"Rey was on trial with TFC earlier in the summer, but was released after three weeks of training at Toronto’s Downsview facility."

Sounds like we got a great player coming in. Wasn't good enough to sign at first, but good enough now because we got squat on this team?

The current spin is that he was good enough but wage was a problem. I am inclined to agree, weasn't worth the hype, we sent him packing and now he falls into the Plan B sceario. I am very curious to know how much and length of deal, all major factors at this point.

[jloome]

"Rey was on trial with TFC earlier in the summer, but was released after three weeks of training at Toronto’s Downsview facility."

Sounds like we got a great player coming in. Wasn't good enough to sign at first, but good enough now because we got squat on this team?

That article is, as usual, poorly worded. Trialists aren't committed to anything so you can't "Release" them. His trial ended and they hadn't reached terms. That's actually really normal.

[OgtheDim]

"Rey was on trial with TFC earlier in the summer, but was released after three weeks of training at Toronto’s Downsview facility."

Sounds like we got a great player coming in. Wasn't good enough to sign at first, but good enough now because we got squat on this team?

He was released baring a contract signed. This was, apparently, his 3rd contract offer since he was on trial. Its not like he can be kept around until he agrees.

[jabbronies]

That article is, as usual, poorly worded. Trialists aren't committed to anything so you can't "Release" them. His trial ended and they hadn't reached terms. That's actually really normal.

cool. Thanks for the clear up.

So next question - how good is he really?
Is he a starter/glorified bench warmer/legitimate star?

[Ultra & Proud]

cool. Thanks for the clear up.

So next question - how good is he really?
Is he a starter/glorified bench warmer/legitimate star?
No way is he a star. He is probably a bench guy on a good squad but a starter here because the other option is Lambe.

[Red I]

No way is he a star. He is probably a bench guy on a good squad but a starter here because the other option is Lambe.

I don't know if that's for certain, though. He was voted the best player on a Spanish 2nd Division team; albeit a bad one ... but that can also mean he's a diamond in the rough - it was clear from what people have written about him is that he's too good for third division, but may not be a 1st division starter - but the bad teams on the Liga Adelante can be reaalllly bad, so i dunno... i think signs point to "good, not great" rather than depth - staff really think highly of him

[Haddy]

I don't know if that's for certain, though. He was voted the best player on a Spanish 2nd Division team; albeit a bad one ... but that can also mean he's a diamond in the rough - it was clear from what people have written about him is that he's too good for third division, but may not be a 1st division starter - but the bad teams on the Liga Adelante can be reaalllly bad, so i dunno... i think signs point to "good, not great" rather than depth - staff really think highly of him

JDG was also a 'best player of the season' for a La Liga club. So really, like any signing, it's a shot in the dark and a few prayers hoping it works out.

[PopePouri]

Given that O'Leary was in Spain to take a look, brought him over for a trial, I'll assume the club did it's due diligence and we'll see how he does in MLS.

[Red I]

JDG was also a 'best player of the season' for a La Liga club. So really, like any signing, it's a shot in the dark and a few prayers hoping it works out.

Good point...

But i think the starting point differs in this instance... brought into a squad because he fills a need that coaches and staff identified, plus got a first hand look at how he performs against MLS (meh) talent, rather than brought in because think he's a DP that the team can depend on, be a future leader. Plus, Laba was brought on for the JDG reasons above, and i think they did a great job in scouting him.

[Red I]

What i like is that the team won't sign players to longer term deals unless they know they have what it takes to play in MLS. Sub par players were let go (Ephraim, Bostock), good players ware kept (Caldwell, Earnshaw) Great future stars were signed (Osorio, Laba).. gives me some hope with this deal - positive moves were made, and indicate unwillingness to commit unless sure of skill and abilities

I like it went to 3 offers with Rey, means team didn't cave after 1st rejection, and maybe decent compromise - but fear is that they wanted a shorter term deal to measure him, and he was having none of that

[cmonyoureds]

I think Rey will be signed very soon, no need to schmooze the guy or anything, deal should be done.

News may be withheld until Saturday, but looks like dude's been on vacation mode since his trial, so doubtful he's fit to play, but late game sub? Never know, he may still factor into that game somehow. Also, i don't think having him Saturday would instantly make the team better; might take a long time training to get used to the style of play here

I know it's speculation, but this is not good.
If you're signing with a team and mentally/physically check out while waiting, knowing you may get thrown in immediately - don't want ya here
If you can't instantly add something to this team - don't want ya here

[Red I]

I know it's speculation, but this is not good.
If you're signing with a team and mentally/physically check out while waiting, knowing you may get thrown in immediately - don't want ya here
If you can't instantly add something to this team - don't want ya here

"Instantly" pretty irrelevant unless it's a DP talent; what's the endgame of that, playoffs? If it takes him 2-3 games, would that be enough to say eff-off?

[Red I]

I know it's speculation, but this is not good.
If you're signing with a team and mentally/physically check out while waiting, knowing you may get thrown in immediately - don't want ya here
If you can't instantly add something to this team - don't want ya here

He's a pro, i'm sure the guy wasn't gouging on ice-cream and beer while this was in the works, but pretty sure the guy wasn't training everyday - plus chemistry thing never instant

[ManUtd4ever]

Well, at the very least, Rey will definitely fill a significant void on the right flank.

[Ultra & Proud]

Reggie "The Void" Lambe. I like that.

[sidvan]

Reggie "The Void" Lambe. I like that.
more like Reggie "Silence of the" Lambe.

[Oldtimer]

I know it's speculation, but this is not good.
If you're signing with a team and mentally/physically check out while waiting, knowing you may get thrown in immediately - don't want ya here
If you can't instantly add something to this team - don't want ya here

Pro players are used to competing for their spot. I don't want players being comfortable, I only want players who are willing to claw their way on to the starting 11. One big problem with TFC was the sense of entitlement players had:

http://tfcpics.com/tpl1/images/204.jpg http://www.torontofc.ca/sites/toronto/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/03/JDG1.jpg

[Marc"2L"]

Pro players are used to competing for their spot. I don't want players being comfortable, I only want players who are willing to claw their way on to the starting 11. One big problem with TFC was the sense of entitlement players had:

http://tfcpics.com/tpl1/images/204.jpg
still my favourite quote by any TFC coach
"How does he have that many goal?"

[Ultra & Proud]

Pro players are used to competing for their spot. I don't want players being comfortable, I only want players who are willing to claw their way on to the starting 11. One big problem with TFC was the sense of entitlement players had:

http://tfcpics.com/tpl1/images/204.jpg http://www.torontofc.ca/sites/toronto/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/03/JDG1.jpg
You forgot one of our worst examples and yes, I chose the pic of him in his diaper;
http://static.footeo.com/uploads/cornil-fjep/Medias/laurent_robert.jpg

[VoxPopuliCosmicum]

^meh, next to Carlos Ruiz, those guys are amateur divas. Recall Ruiz getting subbed off for Ibby with 10 minutes to go after coming in for Dichio just after half?

[Ultra & Proud]

^meh, next to Carlos Ruiz, those guys are amateur divas. Recall Ruiz getting subbed off for Ibby with 10 minutes to go after coming in for Dichio just after half?
Forgot about him too. Thanks for reminding me :nonod:

[Stress]

Well the good news is Rey already spent 3 weeks with the team (during his trial). Hopefully that time will help him integrate much quicker than your typical signing.

[Canary10]

Reggie "The Void" Lambe. I like that.

I had two players on my youth teams we used to call the Black Hole. Balls went into them, never came back out.

[Ivy]

What salary is Lambe on? Does anyone know off the top of their head?

[elironico]

67.5 base/70 guaranteed

[Canary10]

What salary is Lambe on? Does anyone know off the top of their head?

He wouldn't be a bad bench player in my opinion. He showed more last year than what we've gotten this year. I think he's worth keeping on his money, even with the international spot.

[CommradePolski]

Talk about feeling entitled. Lets not forget this guy.



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[Ultra & Proud]

He wouldn't be a bad bench player in my opinion.
If he was a domestic. I think for that money you can get a better domestic option. Basically Lambe equals nothing. Doesn't cost you anything on the pitch other than possession but sure doesn't give you anything either.

[Oldtimer]

Talk about feeling entitled. Lets not forget this guy.



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[CommradePolski]

Isn't that Hskfllfjalfjafjalfjafjfl?

No, thats Mista!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Canary10]

If he was a domestic. I think for that money you can get a better domestic option. Basically Lambe equals nothing. Doesn't cost you anything on the pitch other than possession but sure doesn't give you anything either.

He's got some speed, he's not too bad on the ball, and has a fairly decent shot. His biggest problem is he's muscled off the ball really easily. As you know, I agree with your views on him this year, and the international spot is a factor. I would still take a punt on him for next year if he's on a three year deal, depending on our international spot availability.