TFC signs Arnold Peralta (MF from Honduras)

[Damien]

http://www.latribuna.hn/2012/12/27/toronto-ficho-a-peralta/

http://cdn.latribuna.hn/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/arnold.jpg

The president of Life, Karla Dip, confirmed Thursday that midfielder Arnold Peralta, who is used by the national coach Luis Fernando Suarez, at right, was hired by Toronto in MLS.

The Reds' boss said that while negotiating with several clubs coming Americans, but it was Toronto who made ​​the best offer.

However, Dip, acknowledged that there is still signing the contract, but an agreement was reached with the Canadian club, where he played at the time Amado Guevara.

Peralta was one of the great figures of the U-23 in the CONCACAF Olympic Qualifying and then confirmed its capacity in the London 2012 Olympic Games, where he had to play as a right winger.

At his young age he became the captain of Life, also earned a spot in the senior team which has established itself as right defender, a position he played as a starter in the last three games of World Cup qualifying for Brazil 2014.

[Parkdale]

president of life? captain of life?

something funny is happening in translation. Still, that's great news!

and considering how many times TFC (and the CMNT) have faced Honduran teams, it only makes sense that we'd get a player from them. How many times did we watch a game and say "Can we sign that guy?"

[ManUtd4ever]

Kevin Payne had a stirling reputation at DC United for identifying and acquiring talent in Latin America. Hiring Amado Guevara as a Honduran scout was a brilliant move, and it has already started to pay dividends. Peralta is a young up and coming box to box midfielder, and he will address a significant weakness within the roster. This is precisely the type of signing that we have been calling for in the past, and that previous administrations have been incapable of executing.

Well done Mr. Payne.

[Sweeper]

Guevara's employed by TFC as a scout? When did that happen?

[ManUtd4ever]

Guevara's employed by TFC as a scout? When did that happen?

It was reported by Ives and a few other sources a couple of weeks ago. Guevara is akin to a God in Honduras, and he was probably instrumental in making this signing happen.

[Gazza]

How does one become President of Life? My voter registration card didn't come in the mail.

[Walms]

Good news, and a great showing of the improvements Mr. Payne has brought to our club... However, I'm a little bit bummed that this guy was part of Canada's 8-1 Humiliation this fall, I know its dumb but part of me will always be mad at him for that!

[Gazza]

Good news, and a great showing of the improvements Mr. Payne has brought to our club... However, I'm a little bit bummed that this guy was part of Canada's 8-1 Humiliation this fall, I know its dumb but part of me will always be mad at him for that!

I don't have enough anger in me for the Hondurans. I used it all up for our own boys in red. They were the real culprits of our humiliation.

[Walms]

I don't have enough anger in me for the Hondurans. I used it all up for our own boys in red. They were the real culprits of our humiliation.

I don't disagree with that,.... It was one hell of a dark day

[Derko]

I don't have enough anger in me for the Hondurans. I used it all up for our own boys in red. They were the real culprits of our humiliation.

With this comment Gazza, the head of the nail was struck with fury, I am pleased we have signed Perlata, always liked watching Honduras, and have a soft spot for La Ceiba, I have vacationed in Honduras a few years back.

[Gazza]

How did this exciting thread turn so depressing?? I blame myself.

I love this signing!!!!

I just wish i knew more about this guy. If anyone else does, please feel free to fill me(us) in.

[DangerRed]

This is great news - can we stop fucking complaining for 5 minutes? Payne knows talent, Guevara knows what was broken with TFC when he left. This guy sounds like he might fill a nice gap for us in midfield. One step closer to getting rid of Terry fucking Dunfield.

[Ultra & Proud]

This is great news - can we stop fucking complaining for 5 minutes?

Obviously not. Look what happened 27 words later in your same post:

One step closer to getting rid of Terry fucking Dunfield.

[Eastend]

Good news. Now for the official word from TFC/MLS. No?

Dom


And bahahahahahaha to the post above mine.

[Super]

The president of Life, Karla Dip, confirmed Thursday that midfielder Arnold Peralta, who is used by the national coach Luis Fernando Suarez, at right, was hired by Toronto in MLS.

ETERNAL president of life:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Kim_Il_Sung_Portrait-2.jpg/200px-Kim_Il_Sung_Portrait-2.jpg

[Belfast_Boy]

can't say I know much about him, but it sounds good. Mr. Payne is shaking things up.

[TOBOR !]

Tobor approves of this signing, but tobor still thinks that mariner has to go. Until this happens, all else is meaningless.

[MartinUtd]

I'm not going to get my hopes up.

Ah screw it, the hopes are already up.

[ArmenJBX]

http://ediciones.tiempo.hn/images/stories/CRONO28(10).jpg

Looks like the move is legit.

[TOBOR !]

http://ediciones.tiempo.hn/images/stories/CRONO28(10).jpg

Looks like the move is legit.

maybe - although I was just reading a report about Tijuana moving from Liga MX to MLS to play out of San Diego... which apparently is an 'April Fools' type hoax, with it being Dec 28th (Dias des Innocentes, or some such).

I wonder if this is part of Honduran culture as well ?

[reggie]

nooo....it cant be.PM is down their closing the deal has we speak.lol

[RicoSuave44]

great news!

[ensco]

Nice signing. Glad to see we're finally trying to be an MLS team via a proven player acquisition model.

We need more of these signings, as they often don't pan out. Payne himself knows this, he gutted DCU in 2008-2009 (getting rid of Boswell and Carroll) to sign 5 Latin Americans, not one of whom worked out.

Hope TFC have a real on-boarding process, and don't just pay lip service to it. Many of these signings fail for culture shock reasons.

[Parkdale]

Many of these signings fail for culture shock reasons.

remember when Amado first arrived and the only person who spoke Spanish in the club was Cesar Valesco? I've always given Amado props for sticking it out when so many other internationals (Laurent Robet, Oliver Tebily) checked out early.

[ensco]

remember when Amado first arrived and the only person who spoke Spanish in the club was Cesar Valesco? I've always given Amado props for sticking it out when so many other internationals (Laurent Robet, Oliver Tebily) checked out early.

This FO have been the masters of sounding, with maximum sincerity, like they are all over something, when they actually have no clue how to do it. I hope Payne sees that.

[SoccMan]

First of all is this official? Is Peralta an attacking midfielder or a defensive one, I hope an attacking one we need an attacking mid more than anything.

[moralis]

A Honduran fan who watched Arnold Peralta play says he is a defensive midfielder/right back and not an attacking midfielder. He actually marked Neymar at the London Olympics. Looks like he will play alongside Torsten Frings.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/toronto-fc-sign-honduran-international-arnold-peralta.1980247/ (http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/toronto-fc-sign-honduran-international-arnold-peralta.1980247/#post-26970252)

[SKB]

A Honduran fan who watched Arnold Peralta play says he is a defensive midfielder/right back and not an attacking midfielder. He actually marked Neymar at the London Olympics. Looks like he will play alongside Torsten Frings.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/toronto-fc-sign-honduran-international-arnold-peralta.1980247/ (http://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/toronto-fc-sign-honduran-international-arnold-peralta.1980247/#post-26970252)

If TFC move to a 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 formation Frings and Peralta will be the two holding mids. This could work but I still worry about the loss of quickness with Frings. Also what are the depth positions for holding mid behind Frings and Peralta?

[ensco]

I never agreed with the 4-3-3 stuff here, but if you want to make a formation part of your identity, 4-2-3-1 is the way to go, as this is the dominant system used in the world today. Most of the teams at Euro 2012 used it. Agree that Frings lack of speed would be badly exploited in that system.

[bigredone]

Tobor approves of this signing, but tobor still thinks that mariner has to go. Until this happens, all else is meaningless.

Tobor wise. Tobor get nod of agreement.

[Detroit_TFC]

Not sure if this was discussed in the thread, but apparently several clubs in Honduras are in very serious financial straits and are being forced to sell players to meet payroll. On top of that, there is an unbelievable escalation of urban violence in Honduras right now. Could see a number of players go to MLS.

[Detroit_TFC]

president of life? captain of life?

something funny is happening in translation. Still, that's great news!

and considering how many times TFC (and the CMNT) have faced Honduran teams, it only makes sense that we'd get a player from them. How many times did we watch a game and say "Can we sign that guy?"

Translation issue. The full name of the club is Club Deportivo y Social Vida and is called "Vida".

[maninb]

Nice signing.....but I still don't trust that simpleton Mariner to bench Dunfield, and play the Honduran.......

[bones]

signing? what signing? still nothing official...

[barticusz]

This thread title should be changed until such time that it is official.

[moralis]

I agree we should wait until TFC makes it official. It's official according to the that's transferring Arnold Peralta to TFC:

https://twitter.com/cdsvida

http://www.facebook.com/cdsvida/posts/488138717899368

http://www.facebook.com/cdsvida/posts/485287254851181

[Detroit_TFC]

I wonder if they might be waiting for the official opening of the MLS transfer window on January 21, but I don't know why they couldn't announce it even if it is not effective until then.

[Yohan]

I wonder if they might be waiting for the official opening of the MLS transfer window on January 21, but I don't know why they couldn't announce it even if it is not effective until then.

kinda silly as other teams have been announcing signings, incl SKC who signed DP Claudio Bieler on a transfer fee (very likely)

[brad]

I wonder if they might be waiting for the official opening of the MLS transfer window on January 21, but I don't know why they couldn't announce it even if it is not effective until then.

Mentioned in the player transfer thread - TFC FO is closed until Jan 7th, so nothing will be announced until then.

[Detroit_TFC]

Mentioned in the player transfer thread - TFC FO is closed until Jan 7th, so nothing will be announced until then.

Ok, that makes more sense.

[jabbronies]

MLS Rumors ‏@mlsrumors (https://twitter.com/mlsrumors) After signing Arnold Peralta TFC's Kevin Payne confirms interest in another young Honduran attacking mid: Alex Lopez http://ow.ly/gvEbr (http://t.co/XneB08eM)

[tfcmanu]

EnriqueMartinez ‏@enriquemc1980 According to Diez.hn, Arnold Peralta from Vida will join Toronto FC on Monday

[razor787]

Still no announcement. What gives?

[OgtheDim]

MLSE HR department a bit busy today, I'd think.

Paperwork that was waiting until today for anybody but the Leafs probably was asked to wait a couple of days if it could be done.

[Huyton]

Still no announcement. What gives?
Too busy firing and hiring coaches?

[razor787]

Yeah, now that makes sense. Hopefully by wed it will be announced

[Technorgasm]

FIVE DOLLARS!
get outta here. .

http://i.imgur.com/yYZ1Z.png

[notthesun]

Molinaro saying on twitter he spoke to a representative from the agency representing Peralta and a deal hasn't been signed yet, but he's "confident a deal with get done in coming days."

[johnmolinaro]

Some news on Perlata:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2013/01/08/mls_arnold_peralta_honduras_toronto_fc/

[Huyton]

Some news on Perlata:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2013/01/08/mls_arnold_peralta_honduras_toronto_fc/

Any other Hondurans, John? Lopez, perhaps?

[moralis]

It seems Arnold Peralta has decide not to sign with TFC. It was pretty much done.

What the hell happened?

https://twitter.com/cdsvida/status/289097084932599808

https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=Arnold Peralta&src=typd (https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=Arnold+Peralta&src=typd)

[razor787]

boooooooo

[Canary10]

I know there's still time, but we've basically had no offseason signings.

[Auzzy]

Crap!!!!

[Detroit_TFC]

Not good.

[Belfast_Boy]

ug. that'll learn me for being hopeful!

[Chewy Unikronik]

It seems Arnold Peralta has decide not to sign with TFC. It was pretty much done.

What the hell happened?

TFC happened...

[tfcmanu]

Maybe Arnold did not like the deal TFC offered him & had second thoughts

[ag futbol]

I'd calm down on this a bit. The media coming from down there sounds like it's dosed in wild batches of speculation / garbage.

They are probably still negotiating.

[sidvan]

https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1654330523/265018_10150247035591593_511771592_7559826_601267_ n_normal.jpgBobby Brasz ‏@BobbyBrizzo (https://twitter.com/BobbyBrizzo)
Peralta walked into the #TFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TFC&src=hash) Office to sign a contract. Saw some Canadian Maple Donuts. 8-1 and left. #NoDeal (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NoDeal&src=hash) #Harsh (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Harsh&src=hash)

Nice!!!!

[bigredone]

^devastatingly creative^

[Initial B]

He must have seen the presser of Payne yesterday and figured TFC was a dead-end outfit with no hope for future glory. Watch him go to DC. :(

[moralis]

Now the Honduran press is saying that he is staying at Vida until June when his contract ends and then become a free agent. So Vida gets nothing and Arnold Peralta can leave to join another club for free. I hope he changes his mind and signs for TFC.

If he does stay and then leaves for free in June it would make him look like an egotistical asshole.

https://twitter.com/ElCanteranoHN

https://twitter.com/LegionCatracha

https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=Arnold Peralta&src=typd (https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=Arnold+Peralta&src=typd)

[moralis]

Not sure if anyone understands Spanish. Could someone translate. It's info about Peralta not signing for TFC.

https://soundcloud.com/r-ivan/ap

Thanks

[Ivy]

On some level, I'm glad he isn't coming.... He seems like a whiny douche who thinks he's one of a kind. I don't know much about the situation, or the player himself, but f him. He can stay over there and then not get an offer from any team who sees how big of a woman he is. *phew* vent.

[tfcmanu]

Not sure if anyone understands Spanish. Could someone translate. It's info about Peralta not signing for TFC.

https://soundcloud.com/r-ivan/ap

Thanks

Some of this was said:

TORONTO FC Ives Galarcep ‏@SoccerByIves
Apparently the Hondurans are not invading Toronto. After reports Wednesday had TFC and CD Vida MF Arnold Peralta close to a deal, Walkingthered.com (http://www.wakingthered.com/2013/1/10/3859478/arnold-peralta-turns-down-toronto-fcs-offer) is reporting the player has turned the move down.
According to another report from Honduran outlet La Tribuna (Spanish) (http://www.latribuna.hn/2013/01/09/peralta-rechazo-oferta-de-toronto/)personal terms and a transfer fee of $350,000 were agreed to, but it was the 23-year-old midfield bulldog that re-buffed the idea of a move to kill the deal.
In the same report, Director of Team and Player Operations Earl Cochrane said that former wing sensation Joao Plata may need another year of seasoning in either his native Ecuador or another South American venue.
“I think he could do with another year of playing a lot. In this environment that we are trying to create (at TFC) he may not enough playing time. That’s going to be important for him for his development and we’re going to try to find an environment for him to succeed,” Cochrane explained in the story.
—
Has Olsen found the “right guy”? Is Feilhaber’s missed time a worry? Can Weaver help a Dynamo squad that has to do double duty in CCL? Will Peralta end up in Toronto?

[Toronto]

On some level, I'm glad he isn't coming.... He seems like a whiny douche who thinks he's one of a kind. I don't know much about the situation, or the player himself, but f him. He can stay over there and then not get an offer from any team who sees how big of a woman he is. *phew* vent.

Funny when he was coming it was the greatest news in the world. And now he's a gay. LOL. Seriously.

[bigredone]

A Honduran invasion could only help at this point.

[Ivy]

Funny when he was coming it was the greatest news in the world. And now he's a gay. LOL. Seriously.
I wanted Lopez... Didn't pay much attention to Peralta from the beginning... The whole thing with his transfer just seemed odd from the get-go.

[flamehawk]

Interestingly, as per the last update, Arnold Peralta is now in TFC's squad for FIFA 13. Does EA Sports know something we don't?

He's rate 66 btw.

[jazzy]

Some of this was said:

TORONTO FC Ives Galarcep ‏@SoccerByIves
Apparently the Hondurans are not invading Toronto. After reports Wednesday had TFC and CD Vida MF Arnold Peralta close to a deal, Walkingthered.com (http://www.wakingthered.com/2013/1/10/3859478/arnold-peralta-turns-down-toronto-fcs-offer) is reporting the player has turned the move down.
According to another report from Honduran outlet La Tribuna (Spanish) (http://www.latribuna.hn/2013/01/09/peralta-rechazo-oferta-de-toronto/)personal terms and a transfer fee of $350,000 were agreed to, but it was the 23-year-old midfield bulldog that re-buffed the idea of a move to kill the deal.
In the same report, Director of Team and Player Operations Earl Cochrane said that former wing sensation Joao Plata may need another year of seasoning in either his native Ecuador or another South American venue.
“I think he could do with another year of playing a lot. In this environment that we are trying to create (at TFC) he may not enough playing time. That’s going to be important for him for his development and we’re going to try to find an environment for him to succeed,” Cochrane explained in the story.
—
Has Olsen found the “right guy”? Is Feilhaber’s missed time a worry? Can Weaver help a Dynamo squad that has to do double duty in CCL? Will Peralta end up in Toronto?

I agree Plata isn't ready , or may never be MLS standard but ironically he didn't any playing time in Honduras either , wasn't a sub.. Very overrated.

[flamehawk]

I agree Plata isn't ready , or may never be MLS standard but ironically he didn't any playing time in Honduras either , wasn't a sub.. Very overrated.

Plata had 13 apps in Ecuador and scored one goal. Now, I don't know how well he did, but it seemed like he had some playing time.

I don't understand people saying he isn't ready for the MLS .. when he was one of our best players in his first season.

[jazzy]

Plata had 13 apps in Ecuador and scored one goal. Now, I don't know how well he did, but it seemed like he had some playing time.

I don't understand people saying he isn't ready for the MLS .. when he was one of our best players in his first season.

I watched quite a few games and he never was even listed as a sub ....so those 13 games were very my bad timing?...I watched every game in TO and he's too predicable...runs the ball and unless he passes , which is his best game, btw ,he is always removed from the ball do to his size....just where would he fit in?...forget about heading or finding corners, simply overwhelmed...AND when he was one of our best players, unfortunately what does that say about our roster?

His only role which was very infrequently used, was to come on, at say the 75th minute after the defenders have been worn out, so he can run at them and hopefully find some holes. BUT the main problem was he was far too costly. We paid a big price for him.

[ag futbol]

I think you’re selling him short. Obviously the pace and the ability to take on a man is the first thing people notice (asides from how short he is), but he has a good shot on him and can hit in a reasonable cross. Inside the proper system and with a little more tactical awareness on his end and he’d do well here.

In terms of being MLS standard? He’s easily MLS standard. The question is whether it’s worthy of an international spot which is a different scale to be measured on.

[flamehawk]

I watched quite a few games and he never was even listed as a sub ....so those 13 games were very my bad timing?...I watched every game in TO and he's too predicable...runs the ball and unless he passes , which is his best game, btw ,he is always removed from the ball do to his size....just where would he fit in?...forget about heading or finding corners, simply overwhelmed...AND when he was one of our best players, unfortunately what does that say about our roster?

His only role which was very infrequently used, was to come on, at say the 75th minute after the defenders have been worn out, so he can run at them and hopefully find some holes. BUT the main problem was he was far too costly. We paid a big price for him.

Well the 13 games stat was from wikipedia; so, who knows how accurate it is.

Admittedly, he has hard time holding on to the ball, but his size and speed also allows him to pester opposing players. I remember him taking the ball back a couple times from the opposing team's defence. I agree, that he got more predictable, most certainly for his 2nd season here - but I think he showed enough talent, and hopefully with some positive coaching, to rediscover his creativity.

I also agree that his main role will probably be as a late-sub. How does it work with transfer-fees anyways? Is it spread out according to the number of years on contract or did we just use allocations? If it was just allocations, should his wages be coming down after a year?

:/ Perhaps I just have a soft spot for him, as a smaller player myself. Always happy to see shorter players make it professionally :)

[T-boy]

I agree Plata isn't ready , or may never be MLS standard but ironically he didn't any playing time in Honduras either , wasn't a sub.. Very overrated.

I don't really understand this feeling on the forum. Plata was everybody's favourite player in 2011, people shouting his name, raving about his ability. Now, it seems common for people to say that he's not a good player and will never be MLS quality. Is this just bad feeling, or does this change in attitude and opinion actually come from somewhere? It's not like we can judge Plata on the start of the 2012 season, nobody played well through the 0-9 beginning of the season. To me, Plata looked a very good and dangerouns MLS level winger in 2011, and I still stand by that opinion.

[Yohan]

I don't really understand this feeling on the forum. Plata was everybody's favourite player in 2011, people shouting his name, raving about his ability. Now, it seems common for people to say that he's not a good player and will never be MLS quality. Is this just bad feeling, or does this change in attitude and opinion actually come from somewhere? It's not like we can judge Plata on the start of the 2012 season, nobody played well through the 0-9 beginning of the season. To me, Plata looked a very good and dangerouns MLS level winger in 2011, and I still stand by that opinion.
not a true winger really. more like a wide forward. I don't think Plata has defensive ability to play LW/LM in an MLS

[T-boy]

not a true winger really. more like a wide forward. I don't think Plata has defensive ability to play LW/LM in an MLS

That's kinda semantics really. I would say a "wide forward" and a "winger" are the same thing. I don't think Plata can play in a 4-4-2, as the 4 midfielders usually have to all have tracking back and trackling ability. I DO think he has tracking back and hustling ability, just too light weight to be a tackler. But Plata is very effective in a 4-3-3, where you have two sitting midfielders, and then you can have "flair" wingers or wide forwards. Plata is one of those luxury players that isn't going to add much defensive cover, but is just there to be attacking. Like Aaron Lennon - not defensive at all, but you all want a player like him in your team just purely for attacking/running at defenders ability.

[barticusz]

In case anyone is wondering, Copa Centroamericana is starting up today. I'm not sure if TFC will try again at getting Peralta, but he is on the roster for the Hondurans. Tonight they are playing El Salvador on Gol TV 7pm et. I wouldn't be surprised if TFC will be watching this tournament to find some talent, based on Payne's recent comments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Copa_Centroamericana

[tfcmanu]

Arnold Perlata shot dead in his hometown:

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/66926/honduran-midfielder-shot-dead-in-his-hometown.html

[Brooker]

I read lastnight that they shot him like 18 times. Poor guy.

[Initial B]

I agree Plata isn't ready , or may never be MLS standard but ironically he didn't any playing time in Honduras either , wasn't a sub.. Very overrated.

Sad about Peralta, but it's interesting to read what we were writing about back then. Quotes like this remind me that the internet is forever. :)

[BelfastBoy]

Played for Rangers in 2013-2014, team to wear black armbands in his memory.

[Blizzard]

Honduras is an incredibly dangerous place to be.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12037479/Mapped-Which-countries-have-the-highest-murder-rates.html

[Shway]

He was clearly targeted and had to be involved in something. I know Honduras is known for having the highest murder rate, but I just don't think people get randomly shot 18 times.

RIP

[69Chevy396]

The sickening Honduran gang practice of shooting a person until his brains spill out of his skull like a broken jar of marmalade, may explain the 18 rounds. Sick.

[C.Ronaldo]

Honduras is an incredibly dangerous place to be.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12037479/Mapped-Which-countries-have-the-highest-murder-rates.html

thats a handy chart

really surpised to see Lisbon's rate so incredibly low, excpected a little better out of Toronto

[billyfly]

thats a handy chart

really surpised to see Lisbon's rate so incredibly low, excpected a little better out of Toronto

Why surprised?

[C.Ronaldo]

Why surprised?

portuguese news, hearsay and didnt feel safe out at night there (only been twice though)

Lots of drug selling on the streets, which means gangs are running it, and one can assume murder rates are correlated to gangs

I wasnt expecting St louis numbers in Lisbon, but definetely not expecting one of the lowest in the world

[billyfly]

portuguese news, hearsay and didnt feel safe out at night there (only been twice though)

Lots of drug selling on the streets, which means gangs are running it, and one can assume murder rates are correlated to gangs

I wasnt expecting St louis numbers in Lisbon, but definetely not expecting one of the lowest in the world

Portugal has had low murder rates forever.

[ag futbol]

He was clearly targeted and had to be involved in something. I know Honduras is known for having the highest murder rate, but I just don't think people get randomly shot 18 times.

RIP
Had to be involved in something? Buddy, on a bad day down there they kill you for looking at your shoelaces - lets not jump to conclusions.

Old comments on Plata are quite funny.