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Dreadlocks
10-18-2012, 03:32 PM
Just throwing this out there but since Seven hart has resigned as coach of the CMNT, should Tommy Boy give him a call to replace Mariner and Co?

I personally think he'd do well if given a chance.

Yohan
10-18-2012, 03:36 PM
Well, he doesnt play 4-4-2a which should please a lot of people :p

tfcmanu
10-18-2012, 03:37 PM
What about his assistant Tony Fonseca....

TFC07
10-18-2012, 03:38 PM
He's a good manager, but not a great manager. But he's a good cheap replacement and he knows Canadian players and CONCACAF region in general (huge plus). I hope Hart can land a job in TFC FO.

He's players coach and well respected by the players who likes to play 4-5-1/4-3-3 (for most of the time).

TFC07
10-18-2012, 03:39 PM
What about his assistant Tony Fonseca....

He isn't bad either. Having Fonseca and Hart in TFC FO is a good idea.

OgtheDim
10-18-2012, 03:40 PM
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I personally think he'd do well if given a chance.

That's a big if.

Ultra & Proud
10-18-2012, 03:47 PM
Not sure about this. I liked him too but it's not like he squeezed gold out of CMNT roster. Plus, at this time, I don't think he'd be the choice if you were looking for more good PR.

ryan
10-18-2012, 03:50 PM
Not sure about this. I liked him too but it's not like he squeezed gold out of CMNT roster. Plus, at this time, I don't think he'd be the choice if you were looking for more good PR.

He didn't squeeze gold but he certainly did well.


Plenty of clean sheets along the way, which of course is our problem.


He's also going to push for Canadians, rather than Mariner and his Bermudan dreams. /inbeforePookiesaysCanadiansAreWhyWeLose :)

tfcmanu
10-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Hire Steven Hart to run the operations and then he hires Tony Fonseca as coach and let Tony bring in his assistant, Then Tony will have players come in on trial like:

Assistants - Fernando Aguiar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Aguiar
Assistants - Marc Dos Santos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dos_Santos

Pedro Pacheco - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pacheco
Steven Vitoria - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Vit%C3%B3ria
Daniel Fernandes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Fernandes_(footballer)
Antonio Ribeiro - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Ribeiro_(soccer)

Let the Portuguese invasion start! :rolleyes:

TFC07
10-18-2012, 03:53 PM
FYI: Stephen Hart stepped down. So he's looking for a job. TFC: you know what to do now.

ryan
10-18-2012, 03:54 PM
Hart also knows Concacaf, another bonus.

Scouting anyone? Don't tell me he's not connected in the region.

ensco
10-18-2012, 03:58 PM
^You guys cannot be serious. Gimme a break. I'm trying to imagine the conversation in any other country, where the national team manager has just quit because he lost 8-1 in the biggest game in years, and the big local club team's fans want the guy.

You want a recently unemployed ex-Concacaf MNT team manager?

This guy has 100x the credentials of Hart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_La_Volpe

TFC07
10-18-2012, 04:02 PM
You want a recently unemployed ex-Concacaf MNT team manager? This guy has 100x the credentials of Hart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_La_Volpe

CSA should hire him, but he has no experience in North America though. So I don't see why TFC should hire him.

ensco
10-18-2012, 04:07 PM
CSA should hire him, but he has no experience in North America though. So I don't see why TFC should hire him.

Agree. I'm really addressing the Hart idea. We have a sort of tendency of supporting ideas we don't think through, just because a guy is "Canadian".

Abou Sky
10-18-2012, 04:08 PM
Not sure about this. I liked him too but it's not like he squeezed gold out of CMNT roster. Plus, at this time, I don't think he'd be the choice if you were looking for more good PR.

If Jesus himself came down from heaven to coach the CMNT he wouldn't pull off any type of international hardware.

Hart did an amazing job, he is more brilliant than anyone we could hope to find and if he ends up coaching TFC I will make it my mission to be on here as much as possible shooting crap at anyone who calls for his dismissal.

craz11
10-18-2012, 04:19 PM
Just throwing this out there but since Seven hart has resigned as coach of the CMNT, should Tommy Boy give him a call to replace Mariner and Co?

I personally think he'd do well if given a chance.

Seconded

brad
10-18-2012, 04:19 PM
I though his selections were off at times, and I think he had problems getting his teams to perform away in some big matches. I think we can do better.

TOBOR !
10-18-2012, 04:28 PM
Not interested.

Yohan
10-18-2012, 04:31 PM
And yet people were screaming for an experienced manager? I like Hart and I think he's an honourable man who will bring a level of professionalism and... gravitas that a gentleman could. (kinda reminds me of Winter in mannerism actually) But keep in mind, before CMNT gig, he coached some minor team in Halifax. He's familiar with MLS, but he doesn't know MLS like we need our manager too. Plus he's not a good motivator, especially during high pressure games.
He'll have inside track on returning CMNT players (and I can think of quite a few who would be an asset), plus knows the up and comers in Canadian youth system, but I don't think that's enough.

We need a proven winner at the helm. Hart would be nice on consulting or scouting capacity.

T-boy
10-18-2012, 04:36 PM
I'm going to say no. He had some weird player selections at times, playing people out of position. I never liked that he played DeRo (Canada's BEST goal threat) out wide while playing Occean (who really can't seem to score with consistency for his nation) isolated up front. Hart clearly can get a team playing conservatively, conceding few goals. But I want to win a game by scoring, not by conceding as few as we possibly can.

I'd support the guy if he was named coach, like I've supported all coaches to start with. But I think we can do better.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
10-18-2012, 04:54 PM
no!!

Ajax TFC
10-18-2012, 04:55 PM
nnnnoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[EDIT] odd, it won't let me capitalize the NO

Huyton
10-18-2012, 05:14 PM
NO!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, I don't care overly much if the coach has MLS experience, as long as the General Manager does.

TOBOR !
10-18-2012, 05:51 PM
I thought Hart got jobbed when they only named him interim, and despite good results was replaced by the forgettable Dale Mitchell. Even after that fiasco the best the CSA could do was name him interim again, before finally giving him the position outright.

His greatest failure, IMO, was his inability to convince certain talent to turn out for the squad.

DoubleUp
10-18-2012, 07:01 PM
I think he would be good in an environment where he could bring the talent he wants in, not work with whats been given(cmnt).

denime
10-18-2012, 07:15 PM
Well, he doesnt play 4-4-2a which should please a lot of people :p

You sure about that?
CMNT played 4-4-2 against Honduras,you can check it,it's all over the net.


System aside,I don't think he would be the right choice for TFC.

DoubleUp
10-18-2012, 07:30 PM
The best choice no!. The choice thats better than Mariner, yes!.

cyris2k
10-18-2012, 07:33 PM
How about Gary Smith. MLS Cup with limited funds and cap space. Has League One Stevenage in promotion spot for the past two seasons. Would know MLS players and rules well. And doing it with a few MLS and N. American players on his current roster.

ag futbol
10-18-2012, 08:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_La_Volpe
I freaking love La Volpe. I think if I had to choose any coach, anywhere to manage TFC... he'd probably be the guy. I wonder how he'd adapt to North America, but technically, tactically, attractive football-wise, this guy is a god.

And as for the SH talk, really? No more inexperienced managers please. He can serve as a scout or an assistant.

jazzy
10-18-2012, 08:44 PM
he put our boys to sleep and let them boss themselves....and we saw the disgusting results.....I was always exasperated at his low key don't worry bout a thing approach.....good with Messi maybe but we needed FIRE in the belly.....I'd like him to coach my kids thats it...lets be winners for once. There's plenty of time to be nice?

supersaint
10-18-2012, 09:40 PM
he put our boys to sleep and let them boss themselves....and we saw the disgusting results.....I was always exasperated at his low key don't worry bout a thing approach.....good with Messi maybe but we needed FIRE in the belly.....I'd like him to coach my kids thats it...lets be winners for once. There's plenty of time to be nice?

He coached my nephew on the under 17 boys national team, and I was not impressed with his football acumen at all, I was shocked when he became the National Mens Team coach, big deal we beat Cuba home and away. The Panama home result was good, but the two away games in Central America were pathetic. Nice enough guy but WE DO NOT WANT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT HART AS TFC COACH. NO NO NO NEVER NO!

tfcocd
10-19-2012, 12:24 AM
And yet people were screaming for an experienced manager? I like Hart and I think he's an honourable man who will bring a level of professionalism and... gravitas that a gentleman could. (kinda reminds me of Winter in mannerism actually) But keep in mind, before CMNT gig, he coached some minor team in Halifax. He's familiar with MLS, but he doesn't know MLS like we need our manager too. Plus he's not a good motivator, especially during high pressure games.
He'll have inside track on returning CMNT players (and I can think of quite a few who would be an asset), plus knows the up and comers in Canadian youth system, but I don't think that's enough.

We need a proven winner at the helm. Hart would be nice on consulting or scouting capacity.

Scouting seems like the best fit for Hart after CMNT meltdown. Not sure what CMNT pays... but ML$E has capability of investing heavily in FO. TFC needs to improve its scouting and he could be a great addition. At the moment is there a high profile scout associated with TFC?

Agree that requirement for any Management positions in TFC should include North American expertise, ideally at MLS level.

Oldtimer
10-19-2012, 07:08 AM
Hart as coach? No.
Technical adviser or scout? Certainly!

nonc
10-19-2012, 07:30 AM
Hire Steven Hart to run the operations and then he hires Tony Fonseca as coach and let Tony bring in his assistant, Then Tony will have players come in on trial like:

Assistants - Fernando Aguiar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Aguiar
Assistants - Marc Dos Santos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dos_Santos

Pedro Pacheco - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Pacheco
Steven Vitoria - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Vitória (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Vit%C3%B3ria)
Daniel Fernandes - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Fernandes_(footballer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Fernandes_%28footballer))
Antonio Ribeiro - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/António_Ribeiro_(soccer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Ribeiro_%28soccer))

Let the Portuguese invasion start! :rolleyes:

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Fort York Redcoat
10-19-2012, 07:48 AM
I love Canada. I think Hart needs distance from anything Canadian for a while in any aspect.

Fort York Redcoat
10-19-2012, 07:59 AM
I thought Hart got jobbed when they only named him interim, and despite good results was replaced by the forgettable Dale Mitchell. Even after that fiasco the best the CSA could do was name him interim again, before finally giving him the position outright.

His greatest failure, IMO, was his inability to convince certain talent to turn out for the squad.

I put the lions share of disdain on those players unconvinced.


he put our boys to sleep and let them boss themselves....and we saw the disgusting results.....I was always exasperated at his low key don't worry bout a thing approach.....good with Messi maybe but we needed FIRE in the belly.....I'd like him to coach my kids thats it...lets be winners for once. There's plenty of time to be nice?

Hold on Jazzy. I agree he seemed to passive in responses but his hiring and "buddy, buddy" player manager style was a response to the out and out mutiny that Mitchell caused in part with his unrelenting attitude. Hart has failed but let's not dismiss the reasoning behind his appointment. The players didn't hate him and didn't refuse to play for him outright. They did however fail to perform for him at the death.

mdc 77
10-19-2012, 08:27 AM
Hart? Based on what success?? What a crazy suggestion.

Canary10
10-19-2012, 08:39 AM
Personally I would take him. He's tactically flexible, which I think we need. Would be a big step up from what we have. Other than the final game, we played very well defensively, even when he played more offensive tactically (which we did a few times). Anyone blaming him for the team's lack of motivation in the last game is a fool. If the players can't be motivated by those circumstances, nothing will motivate them. Hell, Aron Winter's teams were very motivated in big games, and we all know his general penchant for motivation.

PAOK17
10-19-2012, 09:11 AM
Hart doesn't deserve to be put through our crazy FO. Also I'm not sure he's that good of an option. The thing is, when you have Mariner, pretty much anyone is a good replacement.

On the other hand, at least we knows he prefers JDG over Dunfield.

phonzo
10-19-2012, 10:21 AM
.....normally I'd rationalize my post however I'm just going to toss this one out there and leave it.

No

jazzy
10-19-2012, 11:34 PM
Personally I would take him. He's tactically flexible, which I think we need. Would be a big step up from what we have. Other than the final game, we played very well defensively, even when he played more offensive tactically (which we did a few times). Anyone blaming him for the team's lack of motivation in the last game is a fool. If the players can't be motivated by those circumstances, nothing will motivate them. Hell, Aron Winter's teams were very motivated in big games, and we all know his general penchant for motivation.

that would be Mr. Fool,..lol,...sorry but I saw our players playing very unorganized and fighting each other.at..games in Toronto , which shocked me , everyone seemed to be playing a different game without respect for each other,...the captain goes down with the ship. Our babies need a stern hand of someone who has respect the moment he walks on the field or our know-it-all players will mutiny.....and you do not win games being someones best friend, at least with our talent. just because our present coach is diabolical, we shouldn't pick a new one using our past as a reference....See Pete's remarks as per Harts hiring vs the Canadian nightmare Mr. Mitchell ...It's the same reasoning .....sports exudes emotions and as Canadians we need an extra shove over the edge....with ALL our teams . we simply have it to good....Mr. Hart ala Mr. Winter were/are too laid back.....although I'd still be in Winters corner. (because of his big league experience in the game)....all he needed was support.
By the way we freakin lost 8 to 1 .....at some point he should have played Morgan even Henry ..(yup) thats what I said IF they were available.....they would have changed the game or at least lost with friggin balls!....oh ya no to Hart ...

tfcleeds
10-20-2012, 05:41 AM
I agree with an earlier suggestion to bring him on board as a scout. But other than that, no. He just doesn't suit the criteria for what we need as a manager.

Carts
10-20-2012, 08:01 AM
I agree with an earlier suggestion to bring him on board as a scout. But other than that, no. He just doesn't suit the criteria for what we need as a manager.

WTF are you doing up at 6:41am? :)

TFC07
10-20-2012, 06:38 PM
Mariner and MLSE should take a lesson how to be professional and classy from Hart. Hart refuse to blame players for the last game and throw them under the bus unlike our so called "players coach" aka Mariner.

Maybe Hart should manage a NASL team first before moving up to MLS. Unlike national team, you can get your type of players instead of working what you have. So it will be interesting to see how Hart will do with options.

Shakes McQueen
10-20-2012, 07:26 PM
He's better than what we have, but I don't think he's what we need, so it would be pointless. Simply being better than PM doesn't fix anything.

I'd gladly take him on in an advisory capacity, or running a sub-section of the club like scouting.

- Scott

supersaint
10-22-2012, 08:30 PM
Personally I would take him. He's tactically flexible, which I think we need. Would be a big step up from what we have. Other than the final game, we played very well defensively, even when he played more offensive tactically (which we did a few times). Anyone blaming him for the team's lack of motivation in the last game is a fool. If the players can't be motivated by those circumstances, nothing will motivate them. Hell, Aron Winter's teams were very motivated in big games, and we all know his general penchant for motivation.

What about the away game in Panama? Unorganized, and unmotivated there too. And lets face it, Honduras and Panama are hardly powerhouses.