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Frings22
10-09-2012, 04:50 PM
Don't we get the first pick in the draft since we came in last? Not too sure about this so I would love some input on who we should pick (if we even get the pick).

TOBOR !
10-09-2012, 04:59 PM
How's the hip?

Furtado91
10-09-2012, 05:06 PM
^^^^^^^ PFFFFFTTTTTTTT. TOBOR i dont know if its the apathy or just anger from this season, but you sir have become quite the comedian in recent times ahahahah. cheers.

Red CB Toronto
10-09-2012, 05:06 PM
Don't we get the first pick in the draft since we came in last? Not too sure about this so I would love some input on who we should pick (if we even get the pick).

Yes, the Reds will have the first pick overall as there are no expansion teams coming into the league next year.

spe18
10-09-2012, 05:49 PM
Yes, the Reds will have the first pick overall as there are no expansion teams coming into the league next year.

The question is: Who is the consensus #1 pick for the 2013 draft?

Frings22
10-09-2012, 05:52 PM
Do we have an idea of who we're going to pick?

London
10-09-2012, 05:56 PM
^^^ TFC will trade the pick for $40 in allocation

jloome
10-09-2012, 06:32 PM
^^^ TFC will trade the pick for $40 in allocation

Well, judging on the few pieces of business we've seen Cochrane involved in, we'll trade it for a journeyman defensive midfielder who never plays, at the very least.

ensco
10-09-2012, 06:39 PM
Do we have an idea of who we're going to pick?

I'm hearing Joao Pinto

starter
10-09-2012, 06:45 PM
hmm, it is almost over?

Ajax TFC
10-09-2012, 07:24 PM
The question is: Who is the consensus #1 pick for the 2013 draft?
The better question is: who or what will Mariner/Cockrane trade that #1 pick for?

Alixir
10-09-2012, 07:32 PM
The better question is: who or what will Mariner/Cockrane trade that #1 pick for?They will send it to Dallas for JDG

TFC07
10-09-2012, 07:44 PM
Meh...

One draft isn't going to chance much for TFC. This isn't NBA where a first draft pick lands you a franchise player. MLS draft is good to pick up some young decent talent for cheap. Our best players will come through free agent signings.

jazzy
10-09-2012, 07:51 PM
Yes, the Reds will have the first pick overall as there are no expansion teams coming into the league next year.

and Mariner will find the man with the worst touch , least goals but damn can he kick it it far.........why give him more chance to dig the hole even further......

jazzy
10-09-2012, 07:54 PM
and the first draft pick will refuse to sign if picked by Toronto........

TOBOR !
10-09-2012, 09:31 PM
The question is: Who is the consensus #1 pick for the 2013 draft?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=2013+mls+mock+draft

jloome
10-10-2012, 12:50 AM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=2013+mls+mock+draft



This one has player profiles:
http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/enbsports-2013-mls-draft-prospect-list_2.html

It doesn't look like there's any consensus yet anywhere. I'd say Kyle Venter, Giuseppe Gentile both look interesting, maybe Aodhan Quinn if we decide to go with a playmaker, although that doesn't seem likely.

ENBSports
10-10-2012, 03:55 AM
The number one pick in most people's eyes is Gyasi Zardes, CSU Bakersfield - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-gyasi-zardes.html although he has played his youth soccer with the LA Galaxy so MLS might create another screw TFC rule and let the Galaxy take him on a homegrown tag.

If I were TFC I would draft him and then trade him to LA for players such as Franklin, Lopes and/or Stephens who could fit in automatically.

The player I like is Jared Watts, Wake Forest - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-jared-watts.html a crazy midfielder who loves to tackle and Mark Sherrod, Memphis - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-mark-sherrod.html a prolific goalscorer both in college and the PDL.

Of the seniors i like - London Woodberry, Maryland - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-london.html who should be able to start in defence.

Not worth a first pick but two Canadians Kyle Bekker, Boston College - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-kyle-bekker.html and Emery Welshman, Oregon State - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-emery-welshman.html

Finally Brazilian Marcello Castro, Sacred Heart - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-forign-prospect-marcello.html who led Ottawa to the PDL title this summer.

That being said i don't imagine TFC to listen to me or anyone as they haven't before although i did predict there horrible season last march - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/03/toronto-fc-projected-2012-player.html so maybe they should start :)

Ben - D.O.W.
10-10-2012, 07:50 AM
I wonder how many of these guys who are having their names thrown around have had the realization "oh crap, TFC gets the first pick, no way do I want to end up there". I just think it'd be really funny if the top 4 or 5 guys all just 'happened' to have really shit combines.

denime
10-10-2012, 09:09 AM
I wonder how many of these guys who are having their names thrown around have had the realization "oh crap, TFC gets the first pick, no way do I want to end up there". I just think it'd be really funny if the top 4 or 5 guys all just 'happened' to have really shit combines.

I know for two,both Canadians, Kyle Bekker, and Emery Welshman

craigtfc
10-10-2012, 09:35 AM
Are managers included in the draft? Maybe we should select one of those.

__wowza
10-10-2012, 10:07 AM
That being said i don't imagine TFC to listen to me or anyone as they haven't before although i did predict there horrible season last march - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/03/toronto-fc-projected-2012-player.html so maybe they should start :)

wow, that's really comprehensive. well done!!

jloome
10-10-2012, 12:36 PM
The number one pick in most people's eyes is Gyasi Zardes, CSU Bakersfield - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-gyasi-zardes.html although he has played his youth soccer with the LA Galaxy so MLS might create another screw TFC rule and let the Galaxy take him on a homegrown tag.

If I were TFC I would draft him and then trade him to LA for players such as Franklin, Lopes and/or Stephens who could fit in automatically.

The player I like is Jared Watts, Wake Forest - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-jared-watts.html a crazy midfielder who loves to tackle and Mark Sherrod, Memphis - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-mark-sherrod.html a prolific goalscorer both in college and the PDL.

Of the seniors i like - London Woodberry, Maryland - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-london.html who should be able to start in defence.

Not worth a first pick but two Canadians Kyle Bekker, Boston College - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-kyle-bekker.html and Emery Welshman, Oregon State - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-emery-welshman.html

Finally Brazilian Marcello Castro, Sacred Heart - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-forign-prospect-marcello.html who led Ottawa to the PDL title this summer.

That being said i don't imagine TFC to listen to me or anyone as they haven't before although i did predict there horrible season last march - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/03/toronto-fc-projected-2012-player.html so maybe they should start :)

Awesome work man!

They probably should listen to you, based on how much stat tracking you do.

How about working up a look at the lesser leagues that are affordable by MLS standards, places like South Africa, Angola, Egypt, Central America? It looks like you have numbers access, and it would give us an idea of who's a good buy based on an existing record of production (like your guy Sherrod; great strikers score at every level); also what do you think of Venter, the big centre half?

Ajax TFC
10-10-2012, 01:09 PM
I know for two,both Canadians, Kyle Bekker, and Emery Welshman
What do you know about two of them, that they don't want to play for TFC?
That's ok, I'm sure that Paul doesn't want them to play for TFC either. Bekker for one doesn't run hard enough for Mariner

TOBOR !
10-10-2012, 01:21 PM
The number one pick in most people's eyes is Gyasi Zardes, CSU Bakersfield - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-gyasi-zardes.html although he has played his youth soccer with the LA Galaxy so MLS might create another screw TFC rule and let the Galaxy take him on a homegrown tag.

If I were TFC I would draft him and then trade him to LA for players such as Franklin, Lopes and/or Stephens who could fit in automatically.

The player I like is Jared Watts, Wake Forest - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-jared-watts.html a crazy midfielder who loves to tackle and Mark Sherrod, Memphis - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-ga-prospect-mark-sherrod.html a prolific goalscorer both in college and the PDL.

Of the seniors i like - London Woodberry, Maryland - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-london.html who should be able to start in defence.

Not worth a first pick but two Canadians Kyle Bekker, Boston College - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-kyle-bekker.html and Emery Welshman, Oregon State - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/2013-mls-draft-prospect-emery-welshman.html

Finally Brazilian Marcello Castro, Sacred Heart - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/10/2013-mls-draft-forign-prospect-marcello.html who led Ottawa to the PDL title this summer.

That being said i don't imagine TFC to listen to me or anyone as they haven't before although i did predict there horrible season last march - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/03/toronto-fc-projected-2012-player.html so maybe they should start :)

*head explodes*

quality:quantity of post ratio is through the roof.

You people ought to familiarise yourself with this work - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/

Get yourself edjumicated.

Terrific stuff, Aaron.

edit - added you to my twitter

Greatest Ripoff
10-10-2012, 01:34 PM
Does anyone know if Daniel Haber is draft eligible? He is a local player who is second in NCAA scoring right now with 15 goals and 6 assists.

Greatest Ripoff
10-10-2012, 01:43 PM
Also, in two starts this season and 11 substitution appearances former TFCA player Allando Matheson has 7 gaols for Uconn. He is averaging a goal every 93 minutes.

Suds
10-10-2012, 02:16 PM
I'm guessing one does not want to bet against Aaron in fantasy leagues. :stogey:

Pretty comprehensive stuff. Looking at the 2012 projections made is eye opening.

West220Side
10-10-2012, 03:16 PM
Sorry in advanced for my scattered thoughts as I try to organize what I would like to happen, and what I think might happen during the off-season. Though the realistic view is we get fucked over again, i'll be a bit positive.

Firstly with our draft pick I agree that we should get a player who is hopefully a generation addidas player as they always are and can slot into the first team or on the bench directly to make an impact at a low cost. I don't think this is really even debatable almost everybody would agree with it, unless somebody wants to trade the overall first pick.

My second thought is our goalkeeper situation with Kocic, Frei, Roberts, and Hall all on the roster. Do we even need four keepers? I think really you only need two keepers and perhaps a third just incase. Specifically with the way the MLS always has the option to pickup a spare goalkeeper for a week or two if we're injury ridden at the position its really unnecessary to waste salary on a third keeper. Sad to say with his amazing growth as a keeper the last year or two and the birth of his triplets but football is a business sometimes and he's an asset. Trade Kocic, resign him at an attractive salary to other clubs, and move him on somewhere that needs that strong keeper that he can be with a solid team infront of him. Kocic and Frei are both top quality keepers in this league, and the only reason I would move Kocic instead of Frei is that its my belief Stefan Frei is slightly better then Kocic due to his aerial abilities, he has that strength to come off his line and punch those balls away during those shakey moments! Next season I would like to see maybe Frei and Roberts, and if Mariner remains, Hall most likely.

With our managers position highly up for debate at the moment, I myself would like to see Mariner moved on but don't believe that he will with this being the case I would like to see Earl Cochrane 'promoted' away from the club or to a meaningless front office position and somebody with north american/mls slotted in to replace Earl as well he's basically a general manager isn't he? Incharge of player signings, scoutings, and all of that right? Mariner puts the team on the pitch, and tells him who he wants, but Cochrane does all the deals if i've got it correct? Frankly ever since MoJo was moved and this ... Mariner/Winter combination started I found it difficult to get a definite answer on who was incharge of what. We need somebody in our organization who can bring not only reputation and a positive influence but he also has to be able to swing those good bargain deals bringing in players with major league soccer experience not only players from england during the summer transfer window and those south american players who are cheap and have qaulity on the ball that everybody has a hard-on for lately. While i'm thinking about south american players that brings Joao Plata to mind hopefully we're able to regain him because frankly i've missed his abilities during champions league play and our one constant is the ability to get (CONCACAF) champions league football. Back to north american talent though, I think that if we even made it to the playoffs next year we have that possibility of just falling apart because we need those players with experience in the cup. I've always been an admirer of Mike Magee myself he's always stuck out for me on the right/left side his abilities to sometimes get centre and find the net because he can also play forward.

One of those chances you can get to get the mls experienced players are those older 28-32 year old veterans who arnt nessarly poor players just have been having contract negotiation problems, or have been replaced by a younger player and are not wanted anymore. Just to give an example of this situation, Bobby Boswell was up in the last wasnt he? and Bobby Convey, both are a good example of this if we were able to snatch a few of these guys up.

Specifically with the draft though I hope that not only we can get one of these players who can make a direct impact, id like if we could have for once our own marquee player our own Brek Shea, Omar Gonzalez.

Anyways this is long enough, just for once wanted to contribute something a bit more positive to the forums havn't been really using them much lately everythings just been 'why both discussing, this clubs shit' lately.

ryan
10-10-2012, 03:30 PM
They will send it to Dallas for JDG

They'll even offer to pay JDG's full salary, forgetting that they are paying it in the first place.

ENBSports
10-10-2012, 04:28 PM
Thanks for the support and props - Don't wish to thread steal but if wished i can create a new topic about the projected statistics and some other related soccer work i produce. I'm just happy that after 20 years of doing this type of work it can finally be about my home team :)

In terms of draft prospect questions:

Haber is a junior so realistically he will not be available until 2014 draft unless the MLS is willing to give him a GA tag which basically means the league guarantees him a salary which does not count against the MLS team cap who drafts him. It's basically a way the league protects the players transfer value otherwise the league fears the player will sign with a European club and the MLS will not get anything for him. Harber school Cornell is not really a soccer power in the states so its difficult to tell where he stands compared to all other players. Although this season they are undefeated and if Cornell is able to do well in the tournament his value will raise tremendously.

Matheson might already be a TFC player under the new homegrown rule which now says if a player plays youth level for a MLS team and then goes to college the MLS team can retain his rights. This idea overall is quite controversial because its basically eliminating the draft and I believe its hurt the Canadian clubs since its not automatic that our teams would develop players to play at an NCAA level. Funny enough the Homegrown rule existed in the old days NHL and is the main reason the Montreal Canadians dominated as they had the rights to all players based in Quebec.

Finally in terms of the Senior Canadians I have more hopes for Welshman than I do Bekker primarily because of position. Bekker plays an Attacking Midfielder and is in charge of almost all of Boston College set plays which he'll probably never get a chance to do at an MLS level. Welshman is your typical winger/forward sort of a Wiederman type who in the MLS are readily available. So if I did draft either it be in the later rounds.

The final draft list doesn't come out until after the 2012 NCAA Tournament at that point I'll update all the players including ones who have impressed this season and have a better idea who TFC should take.

Red CB Toronto
10-10-2012, 04:35 PM
Thanks for the support and props - Don't wish to thread steal but if wished i can create a new topic about the projected statistics and some other related soccer work i produce. I'm just happy that after 20 years of doing this type of work it can finally be about my home team :)

In terms of draft prospect questions:

Haber is a junior so realistically he will not be available until 2014 draft unless the MLS is willing to give him a GA tag which basically means the league guarantees him a salary which does not count against the MLS team cap who drafts him. It's basically a way the league protects the players transfer value otherwise the league fears the player will sign with a European club and the MLS will not get anything for him. Harber school Cornell is not really a soccer power in the states so its difficult to tell where he stands compared to all other players. Although this season they are undefeated and if Cornell is able to do well in the tournament his value will raise tremendously.

Matheson might already be a TFC player under the new homegrown rule which now says if a player plays youth level for a MLS team and then goes to college the MLS can retain his rights. This idea overall is quite controversial because its basically eliminating the draft and I believe its hurt the Canadian clubs since its not automatic that our teams would develop players to play at an NCAA level. Funny enough the Homegrown rule existed in the old days NHL and is the main reason the Montreal Canadians dominated as they had the rights to all players based in Quebec.

Finally in terms of the Senior Canadians I have more hopes for Welshman than I do Bekker primarily because of position. Bekker plays an Attacking Midfielder and is in charge of almost all of Boston College set plays which he'll probably never get a chance to do at an MLS level. Welshman is your typical winger/forward sort of a Wiederman type who in the MLS are readily available. So if I did draft either it be in the later rounds.

The final draft list doesn't come out until after the 2012 NCAA Tournament at that point I'll update all the players including ones who have impressed this season and have a better idea who TFC should take.

Allando Matheson is a home grown protected player for the Reds, just like when Matt Stinson went down and played a NCAA season at Winthrop before signing a pro deal with Toronto.

Greatest Ripoff
10-10-2012, 04:44 PM
Haber is a junior so realistically he will not be available until 2014 draft unless the MLS is willing to give him a GA tag which basically means the league guarantees him a salary which does not count against the MLS team cap who drafts him. It's basically a way the league protects the players transfer value otherwise the league fears the player will sign with a European club and the MLS will not get anything for him. Harber school Cornell is not really a soccer power in the states so its difficult to tell where he stands compared to all other players. Although this season they are undefeated and if Cornell is able to do well in the tournament his value will raise tremendously.


I can't remember what news paper had it, but there was an article about Haber recently and talked about there being interest from Europe clubs.

jloome
10-10-2012, 11:07 PM
Thanks for the support and props - Don't wish to thread steal but if wished i can create a new topic about the projected statistics and some other related soccer work i produce. I'm just happy that after 20 years of doing this type of work it can finally be about my home team :)

In terms of draft prospect questions:

Haber is a junior so realistically he will not be available until 2014 draft unless the MLS is willing to give him a GA tag which basically means the league guarantees him a salary which does not count against the MLS team cap who drafts him. It's basically a way the league protects the players transfer value otherwise the league fears the player will sign with a European club and the MLS will not get anything for him. Harber school Cornell is not really a soccer power in the states so its difficult to tell where he stands compared to all other players. Although this season they are undefeated and if Cornell is able to do well in the tournament his value will raise tremendously.

Matheson might already be a TFC player under the new homegrown rule which now says if a player plays youth level for a MLS team and then goes to college the MLS team can retain his rights. This idea overall is quite controversial because its basically eliminating the draft and I believe its hurt the Canadian clubs since its not automatic that our teams would develop players to play at an NCAA level. Funny enough the Homegrown rule existed in the old days NHL and is the main reason the Montreal Canadians dominated as they had the rights to all players based in Quebec.

Finally in terms of the Senior Canadians I have more hopes for Welshman than I do Bekker primarily because of position. Bekker plays an Attacking Midfielder and is in charge of almost all of Boston College set plays which he'll probably never get a chance to do at an MLS level. Welshman is your typical winger/forward sort of a Wiederman type who in the MLS are readily available. So if I did draft either it be in the later rounds.

The final draft list doesn't come out until after the 2012 NCAA Tournament at that point I'll update all the players including ones who have impressed this season and have a better idea who TFC should take.

Eric Zavaleta's tearing it up. Woudl you take him if you couldn't get Zardes? Big, strong, athletic, finisher. Also, what's your take on Ashton Bennet as a potential high pick?

ENBSports
10-11-2012, 12:35 AM
Without Zardes in the mix I think Eric Zavaleta could be the number 1 pick although there is issues regarding a position at the MLS level and has some of the issue Wenger had in the last draft. Based on a current list of players and taking into account HG, I don't think there is any player who stands out as automatic number one. If i was TFC I might trade down and then draft for position. In relation to this topic I think the big upside and maybe the only to this TFC season was Ashtone Morgan. If I was in charge I would implement a 5-2-3 system that Juventus use - http://enbsports.blogspot.ca/2012/09/juventus-2012-2013-depth-chart.html. Draft an athletically gifted RB with speed to match Morgan on the left. Then draft a winger to play with Johnson upfront behind Kovermans (if they all stay) and with any other picks try to get some depth in either Central Defense or Defensive Midfield. Although I also think its mandatory to draft GA's as they don't count against your cap.

ensco
10-11-2012, 08:04 AM
Thanks for the support and props - Don't wish to thread steal but if wished i can create a new topic about the projected statistics and some other related soccer work i produce.

Thanks, and yes please. Interested in your methodology, as much (or more) than the predictions.

ENBSports
10-11-2012, 12:00 PM
Thanks, and yes please. Interested in your methodology, as much (or more) than the predictions.

I posted the information here - http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?32884-An-Introduction