Todays News,Thursday, Oct.04

[denime]

Mornin'




TFC TV (http://www.torontofc.ca/video)



Reserve League Match Canceled


(http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/10/reserve-league-match-canceled)Toronto FC's Mariner: I have the best job in the league (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/602287466?-19896)
(http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/10/reserve-league-match-canceled)

Who's in for Canada's qualifiers? (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2014-world-cup/2012/10/03/trending_canada_world_cup_qualfiying/)




TFC Related Blogs !!



(http://redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?29582-TFC-MLS-blogs-thread)


SUNSHINE (http://www.torontosun.com/sunshine-girl)
(http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/09/missed-opportunities)
(http://www.torontofc.ca/video)

[narduch]

There is also a story at CSN that TFCA will not be playing in the CSL next season, and that they are looking for a league.

As for the reserve game news, I'm guessing it was canceled because TFC has no one to play in it.

[denime]

There is also a story at CSN that TFCA will not be playing in the CSL next season, and that they are looking for a league.

As for the reserve game news, I'm guessing it was canceled because TFC has no one to play in it.

Makes me wonder where they are going to play,OSL maybe?

In PDL they can not play Toronto Links are in it and Hamilton has the team,TFC can not have PDL team since the rule is 1 team per city or certain territorial boundaries and Links wont give it to TFC that's for sure

[narduch]

Makes me wonder where they are going to play,OSL maybe?

In PDL they can not play Toronto Links are in it and Hamilton has the team,TFC can not have PDL team since the rule is 1 team per city or certain territorial boundaries and Links wont give it to TFC that's for sure

There is suppose to be a new high level amateur league next year in Ontario, I guess there is that.

I had completely forgot about the Lynx. I don't think a PDL team is that optimal though, with such a short season. I guess an NASL team would be too expensive.

[ensco]

We're going to see a Canadian team in the playoffs. Vancouver almost through now.

[narduch]

We're going to see a Canadian team in the playoffs. Vancouver almost through now.

I think they are going to need one more win. I fully expect Dallas to win both their games against Chivas.

[ensco]

I think they are going to need one more win. I fully expect Dallas to win both their games against Chivas.

They have Portland at home. That ought to do it.

It'll be useful, there have been times when TFC blamed their problkems on their "Canadian" handicap.

[narduch]

They have Portland at home. That ought to do it.

It'll be useful, there have been times when TFC blamed their problkems on their "Canadian" handicap.

I'm not sure how useful it will be, Vancouver rarely plays Canadians.

If anything it will embolden people who think TFC have too many Canadians.

[Oldtimer]

FC Edmonton end their Dutch experiment:

http://www.fcedmonton.com/news/2012-09-28/Club%20Cuts%20Ties%20with%20Coaching%20Staff

[Auzzy]

FC Edmonton end their Dutch experiment:

http://www.fcedmonton.com/news/2012-09-28/Club Cuts Ties with Coaching Staff

Well, let's see if they really nuke things in terms of playing style etc. Or if they just find a cheaper North American coach who continues along a somewhat similar path. Sounds like it was mostly a budgetary issue. Although winning more always helps.

[ag futbol]

There is also a story at CSN that TFCA will not be playing in the CSL next season, and that they are looking for a league.

As for the reserve game news, I'm guessing it was canceled because TFC has no one to play in it.
I just did a google search and it looks like a few other matches were cancelled as well around the league. Not sure of the rationale, but I thought this was the type of thing they were trying to avoid...

MLS is still going to struggle to produce players and be reliant on the sub-optimal structure of the NCAA until they find a better way to bring players along. The academy -> MLS jump is too steep for most.

[narduch]

I just did a google search and it looks like a few other matches were cancelled as well around the league. Not sure of the rationale, but I thought this was the type of thing they were trying to avoid...

MLS is still going to struggle to produce players and be reliant on the sub-optimal structure of the NCAA until they find a better way to bring players along. The academy -> MLS jump is too steep for most.

I think this does pose a question into the viability of most MLS academies. You figure you could scrap together a roster for a reserve game with your subs, a few trialists and some Academy stand outs. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

It appears that nobody in this league really takes their reserve team seriously.

[ag futbol]

^ I think the obvious solution is to implement "minor league soccer" or whatever the equivalent would be.

Make two or three regional leagues and stock them with prospects and the last ten guys on each roster or so. MLS has to get over the idea that someone else is going to do the job for them. Hell, maybe the USL would if they were more open to loan agreements and the sort.

[narduch]

I think the league considers that too expensive a solution.

It isn't cheap to run teams in the NASL, PDL, etc.

Its a lot cheaper to just let players slip by and draft a new set of NCAA players each season.

There really is nowhere for players just below MLS level to go. There are now 19 MLS teams and about 8 NASL teams. When TFC joined it was 13 MLS teams and almost the same in NASL/USL.

[[NBF]]

Whos IN for Canadian Qualifiers?: So there's two changes that will be made supposedly, one being DeRosario is not in the lineup, and the other I would hope has to do with Hirschfeld in net. I hope Will Johnson will move to the left wing and move DeJong into the central midfield to pair with Hutchinson I dont think we can have DeGuzman playing anything other than the defensive midfield role infront of the centre backs. As far as Hirschfeld, he is just a weak ass goalkeeper and plays like he's on a time delay.

BTW, I'm cheering for Vancouver to make it. I watched the game last night and it occured to me that Vancouver is the most likely to succeed financially in MLS. Regardless of how many Canadians are on the team right now, they do have long term ambitions which are positive for the Canadian National Team.

[DangerRed]

Toronto FC's Mariner: I have the best job in the league (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/602287466?-19896)
(http://www.torontofc.ca/news/2012/10/reserve-league-match-canceled)
"But I do the worst job in the league."

[Yagbod]

Mornin'

Who's in for Canada's qualifiers? (http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2014-world-cup/2012/10/03/trending_canada_world_cup_qualfiying/)




I'm no journalist student, but doesn't quoting your own twitter feed seem a little silly. Especially when it doesn't really add anything new to the story? I love John's work, but that just looks weird.

[Yagbod]

;1533715']Whos IN for Canadian Qualifiers?: So there's two changes that will be made supposedly, one being DeRosario is not in the lineup, and the other I would hope has to do with Hirschfeld in net. I hope Will Johnson will move to the left wing and move DeJong into the central midfield to pair with Hutchinson I dont think we can have DeGuzman playing anything other than the defensive midfield role infront of the centre backs. As far as Hirschfeld, he is just a weak ass goalkeeper and plays like he's on a time delay.

BTW, I'm cheering for Vancouver to make it. I watched the game last night and it occured to me that Vancouver is the most likely to succeed financially in MLS. Regardless of how many Canadians are on the team right now, they do have long term ambitions which are positive for the Canadian National Team.

One of the changes is Iain Hume starting. He kinda blurted it out on Twitter.

[narduch]

Terry Dunfield has been called up by the national team.

Morgan was left off the squad.

[narduch]

Updated MLS salaries have been released:

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/October%201,%202012%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

I think the only additions for TFC are:

Freddy Hall at $44k and O'Dea at $330k base salary ($436k guaranteed).

Seems like over-payment for O'Dea.

[ArmenJBX]

I'm no journalist student, but doesn't quoting your own twitter feed seem a little silly. Especially when it doesn't really add anything new to the story? I love John's work, but that just looks weird.

Looks okay to me.
Thing is, Twitter is still really new, and the etiquette for its usage in articles hasn't been standardized yet. CP Style hasn't implement Twitter etiquette.

The alternative is just to write down what you tweeted anyway. This way, he can add an image element to the article while advertising his own Twitter handle at the same time.

[Super]

Updated MLS salaries have been released:

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/October 1, 2012 Salary Information - By Club.pdf

I think the only additions for TFC are:

Freddy Hall at $44k and O'Dea at $330k base salary ($436k guaranteed).

Seems like over-payment for O'Dea.

So between him and Ecks, combined they collect around $700k per year. Doesn't stop us from having the worst defense in the league. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Ajax TFC]

I think the league considers that too expensive a solution.
Quality youth development isn't cheap. The league needs to accept that and invest. I can't think of any league with as big of a gap as MLS. The fact that the best solution is to stay in the college system till your 23 is insanity. We NEED a development league. The NHL has the AHL, MLB teams have minor league affiliate teams, the NBA has the D-league, and MLS has a reserve league that plays a couple of games.

I wonder where the likes of Stinson, Cordon, and Makubuya would be if they were regularly playing competitively at a level just below MLS.

[Pookie]

Quality youth development isn't cheap. The league needs to accept that and invest. I can't think of any league with as big of a gap as MLS. The fact that the best solution is to stay in the college system till your 23 is insanity. We NEED a development league. The NHL has the AHL, MLB teams have minor league affiliate teams, the NBA has the D-league, and MLS has a reserve league that plays a couple of games.

I wonder where the likes of Stinson, Cordon, and Makubuya would be if they were regularly playing competitively at a level just below MLS.

Just to start a conversation as I don't necessarily disagree, but is there really that big a gap?

NHL does have the AHL but the NHL arguably is the best league in the world for hockey. Same with MLB, NBA. MLS is not. If star players came out of NCAA or development programs and stayed in NA instead of going to Europe, would we be having this conversationA. In hockey terms, if MLS = AHL then are we simply are looking for an ECHL equivalent?

To add another angle to this, the NFL does really well using the NCAA as its almost exclusive developmental ground. Why could there not be the same expectations for soccer?

[Yohan]

To add another angle to this, the NFL does really well using the NCAA as its almost exclusive developmental ground. Why could there not be the same expectations for soccer?
Because the money and the infrastructure just isn't there for NCAA. And it would take helluva a lot of money and time to develop NCAA to the level where MLS can use NCAA exclusively for youth development. Not to mention soccer, like NHL, would prefer finished product by age 20, where NCAA produces half finished product at 22-23.

[Greatest Ripoff]

To add another angle to this, the NFL does really well using the NCAA as its almost exclusive developmental ground. Why could there not be the same expectations for soccer?

Because when it comes to Gridiron, the NCAA has some of the best coaches in the world. NCAA soccer doesn't have anywhere near the same level of coaching.

[Ajax TFC]

Just to start a conversation as I don't necessarily disagree, but is there really that big a gap?

NHL does have the AHL but the NHL arguably is the best league in the world for hockey. Same with MLB, NBA. MLS is not. If star players came out of NCAA or development programs and stayed in NA instead of going to Europe, would we be having this conversationA. In hockey terms, if MLS = AHL then are we simply are looking for an ECHL equivalent?

To add another angle to this, the NFL does really well using the NCAA as its almost exclusive developmental ground. Why could there not be the same expectations for soccer?
We're looking at MLS as the top league in NA rather than on a world scale. also there are many soccer leagues in the world who aren't the top league but still produce great players because they have a proper development system. If MLS wants to improve the quality of it's domestic players, it has to invest in the development.
If a young hockey player isn't good enough to play for the NHL team that owns his rights, he can play for it's AHL team and if he does well he can get called up to the first team. If he's not quite ready for the AHL because of his age/maturity, he can play in the OHL. If a young soccer player isn't good enough to play for the MLS team that owns his rights, what option does he have? He can go to the NASL to mature, but in terms of skill development, not much changes when you play there, and playing time is relatively limited due to the short season.
MLS wants teams to focus on their academies but there aren't a huge number of players who can make the jump from u19 to the first team. They need somewhere to play, and that's where a proper second teir where the teams are affiliated with MLS teams could really come in usefull

[Dreadlocks]

So between him and Ecks, combined they collect around $700k per year. Doesn't stop us from having the worst defense in the league. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:


Updated MLS salaries have been released:

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/October 1, 2012 Salary Information - By Club.pdf

I think the only additions for TFC are:

Freddy Hall at $44k and O'Dea at $330k base salary ($436k guaranteed).

Seems like over-payment for O'Dea.

I don't think Odea and Eks are the problem because they actually are two of the better players on the squad and play regularly. The salaries I have an issue with are Avila 125K, Cann 126K and J Hall 100K. Thats 350K on marginal MLS players. Avila barely sees the pitch ffs.

At those salaries, they should be first 11 selections. Cann and Hall are not first 11 players and Avila is borderline imo.

[ag futbol]

For 300k I think you should be exceptional. O'Dea and Eckersley are ok, but not exactly awe inspiring. 300k + for a RB in MLS is a little baffling as well.

They have the flavor of 200k signings on other teams but earn well more than that for us.

[Ajax TFC]

Avila should easily be a first XI player. Just because Mariner doesn't like him doesn't mean he isn't worth his salary. Getting a player with passing skills and vision who can press to get the ball back for less than 100k isn't going to happen.

[denime]

Just to start a conversation as I don't necessarily disagree, but is there really that big a gap?

NHL does have the AHL but the NHL arguably is the best league in the world for hockey. Same with MLB, NBA. MLS is not. If star players came out of NCAA or development programs and stayed in NA instead of going to Europe, would we be having this conversationA. In hockey terms, if MLS = AHL then are we simply are looking for an ECHL equivalent?

To add another angle to this, the NFL does really well using the NCAA as its almost exclusive developmental ground. Why could there not be the same expectations for soccer?


Because when it comes to Gridiron, the NCAA has some of the best coaches in the world. NCAA soccer doesn't have anywhere near the same level of coaching.

And NCAA Soccer season is only 3 months long August to November and that is not enough for further development players at the age 18-22 can not play competitive and expect to get better.