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spe18
08-21-2012, 10:20 PM
Please post your discussions for this game, match# 25 in MLS league play for 2012 in this thread!! Game is scheduled to be shown on GOL TV Canada.

narduch
08-21-2012, 10:27 PM
Should be a tough game for TFC (aren't they all?) as Columbus needs a win to remain in the playoff race.

reggie
08-21-2012, 10:29 PM
i think there is a very good chance that we will lose ugly again,and with the game being on gol tv,not a chance im watching this.
wake me up when the super draft is on in jan.

Fort York Redcoat
08-22-2012, 06:24 AM
Nothing but a win can staunch the bleeding.

line ups?
formation?

Where am I drinking tonight?

__wowza
08-22-2012, 08:14 AM
http://www.torontofc.ca/sites/toronto/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/08/tfcvs620_082212_0.jpg

1. whose in their graphics department? and
2. LOOK AT THE CLIPPING ON THAT MANS BEARD.

seriously, you couldn't tell me that he couldn't take an extra two seconds to make sure the outer glow didn't look like shit?

/rant.


i have nothing of interest to say about the game, i'm too hungover and this morning i woke up on top of the library at bathurst and dundas west.

:scarf::flare::drum::scarf:

Canary10
08-22-2012, 08:17 AM
http://www.torontofc.ca/sites/toronto/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/08/tfcvs620_082212_0.jpg

1. whose in their graphics department? and
2. LOOK AT THE CLIPPING ON THAT MANS BEARD.

seriously, you couldn't tell me that he couldn't take an extra two seconds to make sure the outer glow didn't look like shit?

/rant.


i have nothing of interest to say about the game, i'm too hungover and this morning i woke up on top of the library at bathurst and dundas west.

:scarf::flare::drum::scarf:

Nice one!

Benficachop20
08-22-2012, 01:44 PM
Morgan pretty much is gonna start as a rb. Great... more players playing out of position.

cmonyoureds
08-22-2012, 02:06 PM
We will lose. With the game on GOLTV we will lose with barely anyone watching.
Thank goodness the PVR is set for Chelsea/Reading for a midweek footie fix. And that's a terrible thing to say as I support neither of those teams.

Use the following phrases to predict Mariners post game interview:

We just needed to capitalize on our chances.
I thought we played good football at points.
We're heading in the right direction.
I liked our effort.
We need to focus on the positives.
It's tough to play with the schedule we have.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 02:22 PM
I doubt we lose to a team wearing yellow shirts. 4-1 for us.

Canary10
08-22-2012, 03:03 PM
I think we'll win too. Columbus has been re-tooling a bit I've noticed, but they play a pretty conservative game and I think we can pull it off.

Pookie
08-22-2012, 03:09 PM
^ Despite being on the road, I think we can take them. It will be a function of converting our attempts on goal but we are overdue. Despite not having a lot of shots, TFC's attack can be impressive when they get numbers forward and Frings is deadly accurate off set pieces.

That said, barring a conversion, the script is essentially:

Score 2-0 Columbus
Possession - 58% to 42% in Columbus' favour
Shots - 15 to 9 in Columbus' favour
Passing Accuracy 80% to 70% in Columbus' favour

Joe Kool
08-22-2012, 03:17 PM
I have to say I have no expectations anymore...good or bad. Anything can happen so basically I think every poster in this thread has a good shot at being correct. Prepare for the worst...hope for the best. That's life for a TFC fan these days.

khso11
08-22-2012, 04:08 PM
I wonder if there's anyone going to this game from Toronto?

TFCDP
08-22-2012, 04:50 PM
Awesome.. Another Low Def telecast.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 05:40 PM
#TorontoFC (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TorontoFC&src=hash) XI: F. Hall; Eckersley, Williams, O'Dea, Morgan; Wiedeman, Dunfield, Frings, Johnson; Silva, Hassli.. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TFCLive&src=hash)


#TorontoFC (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TorontoFC&src=hash) substitutes: Kocic; Cann, Emory, J. Hall, Maund, Avila, Amarikwa .. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TFCLive&src=hash)



1. Why is Hall playing over Kocic?
2. Why is Wiedeman playing over Avila?
3. Ecks and Williams better be playing in their right positions.
4. Not even one youth academy product on the bench?
5. When will this fucker get fired!?!?

GlenM
08-22-2012, 05:50 PM
Anyone have a live stream for this game tonight, I don't have GOL TV.

GlenM

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 06:07 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/136738/1/watch-columbus-crew-vs-toronto-fc.html


firstrow always has the games....

Jeff s
08-22-2012, 06:14 PM
#TorontoFC (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TorontoFC&src=hash) XI: F. Hall; Eckersley, Williams, O'Dea, Morgan; Wiedeman, Dunfield, Frings, Johnson; Silva, Hassli.. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TFCLive&src=hash)


#TorontoFC (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TorontoFC&src=hash) substitutes: Kocic; Cann, Emory, J. Hall, Maund, Avila, Amarikwa .. #TFCLive (https://twitter.com/search/?q=%23TFCLive&src=hash)



1. Why is Hall playing over Kocic?
2. Why is Wiedeman playing over Avila?
3. Ecks and Williams better be playing in their right positions.
4. Not even one youth academy product on the bench?
5. When will this fucker get fired!?!?


Wiedeman. I mean just proves my point in the past. No one in this league wants him. Yet starts for TFC. This guy shouldn't be playing at all. He sucks.

The season is over and he still has the nerve to not give the kids a chance. What a douche.

If Hall plays the same way I saw him warmup in the last game while taking shots, its gonna be a long game. Didn't save a single shot.


My prediction on his subs. Avila will come on for Wiedeman due to another shit performance. Maund will come on when we're losing. And at some point Emory will come on for Williams and well see Morgan on the right side.... I just have a guy feeling.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 06:20 PM
Ecks at RB is good.

Is Dicoy Mariner's expected partner for O'Dea?

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:22 PM
I think I need more beer already... Yikes :(

The Shit-Definition telecast has me power drinking already - and this before I see the on the pitch product...

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:24 PM
Weideman - "if we get a lead, we're all about gutting it out and getting the result" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Gazza
08-22-2012, 06:31 PM
Weedman will be man of the match.

Fuck i love beer.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 06:33 PM
...firstrow always has the games....

Ok maybe not....

TFCmatty
08-22-2012, 06:33 PM
Can't find a stream here either :S

West220Side
08-22-2012, 06:34 PM
Ok maybe not....

I'm watching the wrong kind of football on this stream.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 06:34 PM
What type of sexual act does Avila have to agree to in order to get a starting spot?

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:36 PM
What type of sexual act does Avila have to agree to in order to get a starting spot?

LOL!!!

TFCDP
08-22-2012, 06:37 PM
Get some new glasses mariner ffs

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 06:37 PM
is weird. Usually atdhetv.net or first row has links but none of em are showing the actual game :s

EDIT: The guy on first row is streaming it now.

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:39 PM
Crew Stadium... There has to be at least, 15, 16, or even 1,700 people there... :)

Suds
08-22-2012, 06:39 PM
first row sports is working now

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 06:39 PM
There we go....and look ....a stadium with less people in it then BMO!

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:40 PM
is weird. Usually atdhetv.net or first row has links but none of em are showing the actual game :s

EDIT: The guy on first row is streaming it now.

I bet they didn't know about the sched change - its not like MLS is big on their radar...
Someone emailed in and they have it...

iy12l
08-22-2012, 06:40 PM
Why do all these dumbass commentators keep saying Mariner improved TFC? Is ML$E paying these commentators?

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:40 PM
4th minute... 1-nil... FUCK THIS...

West220Side
08-22-2012, 06:40 PM
Aah.. that stream came on just in time.

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 06:40 PM
Crew Stadium... There has to be at least, 15, 16, or even 1,700 people there... :)

Yeah but those 1700 people tend to see winning soccer.

flatpicker
08-22-2012, 06:41 PM
It's so much fun being a sports fan in Toronto.

Suds
08-22-2012, 06:41 PM
bwaahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! 4 minutes and we're down

I have to laugh or I'll cry

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 06:41 PM
wow that didnt take long. for fuck sakes.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 06:41 PM
fuck you mariner

Gazza
08-22-2012, 06:41 PM
getting bored with conceding late, figured they'd switch it up a bit.

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:42 PM
Why do all these dumbass commentators keep saying Mariner improved TFC? Is ML$E paying these commentators?

MLSE does own GOL TV - so ya, they basically are... :(

iy12l
08-22-2012, 06:43 PM
Fredy Hall is SHIT! I hope Mariner can see that!

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:43 PM
getting bored with conceding late, figured they'd switch it up a bit.

We concede with single-digits only! Single digits in or single digits left...

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 06:44 PM
MLSE does own GOL TV - so ya, they basically are... :(

Technically if you see a TFC broadcast the owners of TFC are paying the commentators

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 06:46 PM
Crew commentators are awful. And Did Ecks grow a goatee?

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:46 PM
Technically if you see a TFC broadcast the owners of TFC are paying the commentators

They are now ya, especially after everything went through today...

Gazza
08-22-2012, 06:46 PM
If it wasn't for the sweet, smooth sound of Serioux's Scarborough accent, i wouldn't be as calm as i am right now.

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:47 PM
Cracked a beer at kickoff - that's gone...

I have to drink to watch this...

Suds
08-22-2012, 06:51 PM
Cracked a beer at kickoff - that's gone...

I have to drink to watch this...

Open another browser window with Porn Hub. It helps. At least you're not just watching us get fucked.

g:D

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 06:52 PM
Is Henry injured, or is TFC celebrating his new long term deal by sending him down to the reserves

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 06:52 PM
Im drowning my sorrow from this game by eating nutella.

Carts
08-22-2012, 06:52 PM
open another browser window with porn hub. It helps. At least you're not just watching us get fucked.

G:d

bwahahahahahaha!!!!

iy12l
08-22-2012, 06:53 PM
I remember all the shit commentators were giving Winter, now that we are 10x worse under Mariner why doesn't the commentators/media even criticize him?

Torontotonto
08-22-2012, 06:53 PM
is weird. Usually atdhetv.net or first row has links but none of em are showing the actual game :s

EDIT: The guy on first row is streaming it now.

Thanks
Works
1-zip Fuck already

stevielarson
08-22-2012, 06:54 PM
its sounds like a supporters group of 12 year old girls in the background on the columbus feed on mls live.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 07:00 PM
A Tarp at one end and at the other a concert venue.

Soccer specific, if you have no idea how to support a soccer team.

lobo
08-22-2012, 07:00 PM
FFS ... 4 minutes in! this shit again!



Open another browser window with Porn Hub. It helps. At least you're not just watching us get fucked. g:D

LMAO!!!


Is Henry injured, or is TFC celebrating his new long term deal by sending him down to the reserves

ya, Henry injured a knee last game ... wish it was Weedman (oops, inside voice lobo, inside voice)

barticusz
08-22-2012, 07:03 PM
.... God I hate the officiating in MLS. No consistency and on top of that it always results in games with zero flow.. :(

sully
08-22-2012, 07:04 PM
Meanwhile in DC, DeRo just scored...

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 07:07 PM
FFS ... 4 minutes in! this shit again!




LMAO!!!



ya, Henry injured a knee last game ... wish it was Weedman (oops, inside voice lobo, inside voice)

Feel the same way about Amarikwa

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 07:07 PM
LOL Mariner wants the backline to play a little higher. Thats kinda hard to do when the ball is in your end 90% of the time fuckface. and considering kkkrew got through defense like a hot knife through butter i dont think thats wise LOL.

Nerepis
08-22-2012, 07:09 PM
The long searching ball forward. :facepalm:

gracos
08-22-2012, 07:12 PM
usually even if a team is really bad, you will see a difference and an improvement, TFC has remained consistent and I truly hope TFC doesnt come back home, or they will probably see less attendance then that of Crew Stadium

barticusz
08-22-2012, 07:13 PM
When is the love affair with Dunfield over... anyone?

ArmenJBX
08-22-2012, 07:13 PM
Whatever shred of football IQ Aron Winter may have instilled onto the players during his tenure at Toronto FC has been all but eliminated through Paul Mariner. He's made them play lazy, stupid hoofball again.

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 07:14 PM
usually even if a team is really bad, you will see a difference and an improvement, TFC has remained consistent and I truly hope TFC doesnt come back home, or they will probably see less attendance then that of Crew Stadium


The stadium will always be full cause people will go with a big group of friends, and check out the awesome beats with the pregame dj, and oh theres this game thats played in the middle of the stadium called socco.

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 07:14 PM
When is the love affair with Dunfield over... anyone?

When we get a midfielder who can actually run

DoubleUp
08-22-2012, 07:15 PM
Feel the same way about Amarikwa
what does his comment have to do with Amarikwa :facepalm:


Wow you guys are unbelievable!.....seriously.

gracos
08-22-2012, 07:15 PM
I dont understand the revolving door methodology of TFC, and until the door remains shut with a certain path, we will always be the mockery of MLS, enough is enough

iy12l
08-22-2012, 07:16 PM
ffs duncefield stop back passing

ryan
08-22-2012, 07:16 PM
Whatever shred of football IQ Aron Winter may have instilled onto the players during his tenure at Toronto FC has been all but eliminated through Paul Mariner. He's made them play lazy, stupid hoofball again.

I don't think enough notice was given to the fact of where Aron had to attempt to bring these players from.

We're bloody footballing cavemen.

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 07:16 PM
What number shot was that for Hassli? is it almost time for him to score his beautiful goal? if i recall correctly someone here said that hassli will score every 100 shots, or score a really nice goal every 100 shots something like that.

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 07:17 PM
what does his comment have to do with Amarikwa :facepalm:


Wow you guys are unbelievable!.....seriously.

I was comparing my feelings about Amarikwa, with his feelings about Weedman.

Have a good day sir.

barticusz
08-22-2012, 07:18 PM
O'Dea has bailed out our defense on a couple of occasions already.

sully
08-22-2012, 07:19 PM
I love how the commentators keep embellishing o'Dea bring an 'international'. He's always been on the margins internationally, and the game in Serbia was only a friendly with trappatoni going lots of fringe players a chance. O'Dea really didn't do his chances of international caps any good by going to MLS.

DoubleUp
08-22-2012, 07:20 PM
I was comparing my feelings about Amarikwa, with his feeling about Weedman.

Have a good sir.

considering he's barely played, sounds like baseless hate. Yes good day sir.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 07:21 PM
wow duncefield ruined a good counter

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 07:22 PM
I love how the commentators keep embellishing o'Dea bring an 'international'. He's always been on the margins internationally, and the game in Serbia was only a friendly with trappatoni going lots of fringe players a chance. O'Dea really didn't do his chances of international caps any good by going to MLS.

What's really sad is that they keep calling Freddy Hall a Bermudan International. Sort of like being the greatest Speed Skater in Uganda.

gracos
08-22-2012, 07:23 PM
TFC lacks passion to perform to their abilities, why in the world should we be passionate about them, if they cannot show passion themselves

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 07:23 PM
Johnson is lost and Weedman is not a starter. Which leaves Silva out of things.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:23 PM
God invented beer hundreds of years ago to prepare for this very day. "And it was good."

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:24 PM
What's really sad is that they keep calling Freddy Hall a Bermudan International. Sort of like being the greatest Speed Skater in Uganda.

The sky sports commentators called David Hoilett a Canadian international on Saturday. It happens.

Suds
08-22-2012, 07:25 PM
that has been one brutal half of football ... it's very hard to watch how poor the quality of football is

we didn't even threaten on the few set plays we had

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 07:25 PM
The sky sports commentators called David Hoilett a Canadian international on Saturday. It happens.

But hopefully that happens :)

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 07:28 PM
Part of me just wants to scream that this team just doesn't want to use it's best players properly. These long hopeful balls into the box for Silva / Hassli ... neither really have that in their game. Both show some skill when given the opportunity, but are smothered by the stupidity of what we're doing out there.

In the best of my estimation, this team is taking us lightly. We're being given loads of space to operate with the intention of them stretching the field and hitting us on the counter. Pretty much the exact opposite of that KC did on the weekend.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 07:28 PM
.. O'Dea really didn't do his chances of international caps any good by going to MLS.

From what I've read, he's expected to be the #3 CD for the forseeable future. A sub yes, but he'll start when there is a red card or injury. And Ireland isn't exactly snob city vis-a-vis MLS.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 07:28 PM
The worst players in the squad are weedman, hall , amarikwa, maund, and dunfield. Surprisingly those are Mariner's favourite players...

AlanO
08-22-2012, 07:28 PM
Feel bad for the guys trying to play some kind of possession - mainly Frings, Silva, Johnson.

How the hell does Wiedeman start ahead of Avila?

Walms
08-22-2012, 07:30 PM
I want to cover my entire body in honey and invite the whole TFC over to lick it off! Thanks for a great season! Next year I hope they play in just their jockstraps!

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 07:31 PM
When we get a midfielder who can actually run
Here freaking, here.

We are sooo slow in the middle of the field it is pathetic. You'd think with Mariner having a hard-on for low-skill / high athleticism guys like Amarikwa, he'd actually look for someone like that to play DM. I mean Terry Dunfield meets the low-skill part of the equation, but dear god he does not cover ground fast.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 07:34 PM
I want to cover my entire body in honey....

Well.....Rosh Hashanah is in a few weeks.

Jeff s
08-22-2012, 07:35 PM
Wait I'm confused, are you allowed to shoot in soccer?

Cause i haven't seen tfc do it in ages.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:36 PM
Hopefully Weedman and Dunfield give the boys a good pep talk and get them prepared for the 2nd half.

Suds
08-22-2012, 07:36 PM
I honestly cannot tell what the intention of our game plan is. I mean at all???

It's like the players were just told what position they are playing and what the formation was and then someone said go out and hustle.

barticusz
08-22-2012, 07:41 PM
I honestly cannot tell what the intention of our game plan is. I mean at all???

It's like the players were just told what position they are playing and what the formation was and then someone said go out and hustle.

Mariner's speech before each game: "Go out there and have fun.. win or lose, as long as everyone is friends at the end of the game.... 1, 2, 3.. Work Hard!"

nonc
08-22-2012, 07:42 PM
Here freaking, here.

We are sooo slow in the middle of the field it is pathetic. You'd think with Mariner having a hard-on for low-skill / high athleticism guys like Amarikwa, he'd actually look for someone like that to play DM. I mean Terry Dunfield meets the low-skill part of the equation, but dear god he does not cover ground fast.

Mariner's master plan involves bypassing the MF by hoofing everything up the field for lottery ball DUH.

Weideman starting makes me wanna cry.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:42 PM
"Win or lose, we're all going to Swiss Chalet!"

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 07:45 PM
"Paul Mariner has worked hard to add depth to the squad"

Har-fucking-har.. good one. This team has always had plenty of depth, it's not short of guys who can get on the field in a pinch. The problem is we have no quality players.

__wowza
08-22-2012, 07:47 PM
"Paul Mariner has worked hard to add depth to the squad"

Har-fucking-har.. good one.

you can field a great depth of players if you dont care what position they play in.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 07:48 PM
Somebody should explain to the Columbus TV people that a camera right behind the net is a good thing.

This game looks like it might end 2-0 or 1-1.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 07:48 PM
Mariner has to be the worst coach TFC hired.

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 07:48 PM
you can field a great depth of players if you dont care what position they play in.
just had a flash back: remember when Mo Johnston signed about 40 defensive mids yet we never had a proper striker? ahhh.. those were the glory days.

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 07:48 PM
"Win or lose, we're all going to Swiss Chalet!"

I wouldnt go to swiss chalet :P ahahahahahaha

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 07:49 PM
Mariner's speech before each game: "Go out there and have fun.. win or lose, as long as everyone is friends at the end of the game.... 1, 2, 3.. Work Hard!"

I heard Mariner on TV just scream, "C'mon for fucks sake!"

When the entire pregame intro and halftime interview consisted of praise for him for being very supportive and implementing a simple game plan, I dont think you have the right to scream "C'mon for fucks sake!"

Just because I'm sure Im not the only one, I fell asleep during the first half. It was a tactical decision.:facepalm:

khso11
08-22-2012, 07:49 PM
Time to bring on Amerikwa and Avila!!!!

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 07:49 PM
Mariner's master plan involves bypassing the MF by hoofing everything up the field for lottery ball DUH.

Weideman starting makes me wanna cry.


I love that ahaahha. it looks like our numbers arent being called.

asterix606
08-22-2012, 07:50 PM
"Win or lose, we're all going to Swiss Chalet!"

Ha..ha! Funny!

"MLSE is paying for our meal guys"

http://thebigring.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/111015hotdogs.jpg?w=510

sully
08-22-2012, 07:52 PM
From what I've read, he's expected to be the #3 CD for the forseeable future. A sub yes, but he'll start when there is a red card or injury. And Ireland isn't exactly snob city vis-a-vis MLS.

He's a possibility, but less so now that he's in MLS, that's all..it's always the case when a player moves to a weaker league. He played in Ireland when he was a teenager so no league of Ireland isn't snob city at all,....just a bit more comparable to MLS than what Ireland fans would have hoped for his development at this stage.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:52 PM
I swear, Weideman's are a dime a dozen down at the docks right now.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 07:52 PM
lmaoooooooooo

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 07:52 PM
Ha..ha! Funny!

"MLSE is paying for our meal guys"

http://thebigring.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/111015hotdogs.jpg?w=510
Looks like the gastronomical version of what we've been served in terms of football over the last 6 years.

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 07:53 PM
Horrid goalkeeping.

Suds
08-22-2012, 07:53 PM
oh brother, we are just bad

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 07:53 PM
^^^^^ Is that ditaliano Sesame Bread? They actually got decent quality bread? no freaking way

__wowza
08-22-2012, 07:54 PM
im sorry, how many defenders were around TWO strikers while they just dicked the ball back and forth?

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 07:54 PM
At least I might get full points on Are You Smarter than Preki.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:54 PM
That does look like quality bread. Could make french toast with that.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 07:55 PM
Kocic must be pissed off, he could of saved both of those. Put Mariner sees something in Hall that nobody else can see. He says he has the potential to be as good as Casilllas even though hes 27.

So when are we going to boycott a home game at BMO?

EDIT: Why Jeremy Hall for weedman? is Mariner mentally retarded

barticusz
08-22-2012, 07:56 PM
Hahahahah.. Down 0-2 so lets see... Let's put in Jeremy Hall.

Time to defend.

Benficachop20
08-22-2012, 07:58 PM
Wiedeman does nothing and gets subbed off.. no way im shocked. We replace him with another terrible player in hall. Call up the acedemy players mariner ffs.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 07:58 PM
Now I understand the true meaning of Williams' first name.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 07:59 PM
Wait, i thought Jeremy Hall was in net?

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 08:00 PM
Wait, i thought Jeremy Hall was in net?

He is

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:01 PM
Paul Mariner- "Wiedeman had a little bit of a back problem and Hall is coming back from injury so its like for like."

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg213/scaled.php?server=213&filename=121231005nn7.jpg&res=landing

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:02 PM
I wonder whats Mariners IQ

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 08:02 PM
Is it weird that we started the year with too many wingers but now we have none?

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 08:02 PM
Yikes, that was a little malicious.

Suds
08-22-2012, 08:04 PM
Yikes, that was a little malicious.

very lucky not to get a red

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:04 PM
Freddy is in net. Jeremy is playing somewhere in midfield. Maybe they should switch. Mariner hasn't tried that yet.

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:05 PM
Frings is not happy.

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 08:06 PM
Was that the first shot on goal?

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:06 PM
serioux and dunleavy, making fun of Mariner for celebrating like it was "the greatest substitution."

barticusz
08-22-2012, 08:06 PM
.................................. Team America in for Frings.. Duncefield remains on the field to continue his superb back passes.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:06 PM
Other than Koefs, Silva is the only person in this squad that can finish

Suds
08-22-2012, 08:07 PM
nice finish by Silva... caught C-bus asleep on the restart

Richard
08-22-2012, 08:07 PM
Wait, what? Im confused, I just tunned in and Kocic is not starting?

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 08:08 PM
Wait, what? Im confused, I just tunned in and Kocic is not starting?
Hall is starting.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:10 PM
Wait, what? Im confused, I just tunned in and Kocic is not starting?

Mariner believes Freddy Hall is one of the best goalkeepers in the modern era based on a youtube video

Gazza
08-22-2012, 08:10 PM
Hassli gassed.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:11 PM
Not a bad goal for TFC.

Hassli needed to put that last shot into the net, even if it was with his right foot.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:11 PM
wow dunfield... pass all the way to the goalkeeper

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Wait, what? Im confused, I just tunned in and Kocic is not starting?

Did you take a tactical nap before the last 20 minutes? Hall apparently plays on Wednesdays.

Richard
08-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Hall is starting.

Welp. Im speechless, Kocic is our #1 and i hope he is giving him a rest. If not then someone needs to put a muzzle on Mariner for good.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:13 PM
LOL all TFC players forward, Duncefield passes back to our goalie.

narduch
08-22-2012, 08:13 PM
Julius James sighting.

barticusz
08-22-2012, 08:13 PM
Duncefield with another Doof.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:13 PM
Oh fuck watch JJ score a goal on us...

69Chevy396
08-22-2012, 08:14 PM
;1522684']Frings is not happy.

i predict he leaves the team in the near future, he assumed when joining this hapless club, that he would be playing for a professional team, not this pile of shit

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:15 PM
Mariner believes Freddy Hall is one of the best goalkeepers in the modern era based on a youtube video

I dont know if he likes to make sarcastic comments or if he actually thinks this shit. Either way its sad because it means he cant cope with the real.

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:15 PM
Maybe we should start Amrikwa next time. Weedman was a ghost.

narduch
08-22-2012, 08:16 PM
i predict he leaves the team in the near future, he assumed when joining this hapless club, that he would be playing for a professional team, not this pile of shit

Wouldn't surprise me if he 'retires' after this season ends. TFC is bound to suck next year too. Not sure Frings wants to stick around for another season at this shit show.

As for the game, surprisingly, TFC looks like they might score a goal to tie the game.

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:16 PM
i predict he leaves the team in the near future, he assumed when joining this hapless club, that he would be playing for a professional team, not this pile of shit

He obviously came to play under Aron Winter and this is one hell of a bad turn for the worst.

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:17 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he 'retires' after this season ends. TFC is bound to suck next year too. Not sure Frings wants to stick around for another season at this shit show.

As for the game, surprisingly, TFC looks like they might score a goal to tie the game.

What are the chances he gets added to the wall of honour like Danny Dichio after 2 seasons?

69Chevy396
08-22-2012, 08:18 PM
Maybe we should start Amrikwa next time. Weedman was a ghost.
Didnt u hear, he is saving himself for that inevitable call from Mourhino

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:20 PM
Wow imagine if TFC had started the game playing like this? Possession-based, attacking soccer???!!!

Richard
08-22-2012, 08:20 PM
;1522707']What are the chances he gets added to the wall of honour like Danny Dichio after 2 seasons?

IMO Danny Dichio should be the only player on the wall, were to young a club to have any more players being placed on the wall. Koef maybe being an exception.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:21 PM
Wow imagine if TFC had started the game playing like this? Possession-based, attacking soccer???!!!

Oh forget that thought, let's sub in a different CB in order to protect the loss...???

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 08:22 PM
;1522707']What are the chances he gets added to the wall of honour like Danny Dichio after 2 seasons?

Let's fucking hope not, its really sad that Danny Dichio, and Brennan are up there. Forty years from now when we have actual club legends we'll regret Brennan's and maybe Dichio's induction.

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:22 PM
Wow imagine if TFC had started the game playing like this? Possession-based, attacking soccer???!!!

Dont forget to added Columbus up by 2 goals to nil and not necessarily attacking.

__wowza
08-22-2012, 08:25 PM
while the game is like it is, i'd like to take this opportunity to discuss a sandwich i just made. i've been wanting to try this recipe for awhile.. it's a tuna steak and cheese with gruyère, shallots, garlic and a steak spice my brother makes.

it's fucking fantastic. seriously.. its like.. one of the best sandwiches i've ever eaten.

hows the game going? oh yeah.. i forgot..

bigredone
08-22-2012, 08:25 PM
The game from 72 min. to 80 min. was good! 8 minutes!!! Steady stream of missed opportunities. But what else could I ask for.

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 08:26 PM
Wow imagine if TFC had started the game playing like this? Possession-based, attacking soccer???!!!
On the one hand I agree ... on the other (based on the logic people have used around here) totally irrelevant.

We had plenty of games where we played alright and lost under winter. This could go down as one of the same under Mariner. It doesn't matter however, because the reason we fired the last guy was so we could get results. Hell, we just gave up our first rounder in the future to pick up a striker who could of been had for free in the offseason. Everything this guy done has been about the immediate term, I expect to see something right away.

It's also terribly skewed by the fact that we're an awful team that opposing squads probably feel comfortable putting it in cruise control against us.

DaBandit
08-22-2012, 08:26 PM
Mariner is the worst coach we have ever had.. He's simply out of his depth.. 8 mins to go, down a goal and we bring on Maund and leave Avilla on the bench?? Utterly clueless, go have another beer your drunken fool..

69Chevy396
08-22-2012, 08:26 PM
I just noticed the glaring absence from this thread of rpb members.

Dkolish3
08-22-2012, 08:26 PM
Let's fucking hope not, its really sad that Danny Dichio, and Brennan are up there. Forty years from now when we have actual club legends we'll regret Brennan's and maybe Dichio's induction.

Level of Excellence The team has also instituted a "Level of Excellence" on the 400 level of the Rogers Centre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Centre), where the following Jays personnel are honoured:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/JaysRetired01.PNG/260px-JaysRetired01.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired01.PNG)
Tony Fernández (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fern%C3%A1ndez)
SS, 3B: 1983–1990, 1993, 1998–1999, 2001

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/JaysRetired11.PNG/260px-JaysRetired11.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired11.PNG)
George Bell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bell_%28outfielder%29)
LF: 1981–1990

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/JaysRetired12.png/260px-JaysRetired12.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired12.png)
Roberto Alomar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Alomar)
2B: 1991–1995



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/JaysRetired29.PNG/260px-JaysRetired29.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired29.PNG)
Joe Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Carter)
RF, 1B: 1991–1997

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/JaysRetired37.PNG/260px-JaysRetired37.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired37.PNG)
Dave Stieb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Stieb)
P: 1979–1992, 1998

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/JaysRetired43.PNG/260px-JaysRetired43.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired43.PNG)
Cito Gaston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cito_Gaston)
M: 1989–1997, 2008–2010



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/JaysRetired4306.PNG/260px-JaysRetired4306.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired4306.PNG)
Tom Cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cheek)
Broadcaster: 1977–2005

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/JaysRetiredPB.PNG/260px-JaysRetiredPB.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetiredPB.PNG)
Paul Beeston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Beeston)
VP: 1976–1989; President: 1989–1997, 2008–present

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/JaysRetiredPG.PNG/260px-JaysRetiredPG.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetiredPG.PNG)
Pat Gillick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Gillick)
GM: 1978–1994




Let's compare it to the Blue Jays Wall of Honour

See the difference?

__wowza
08-22-2012, 08:26 PM
seriously.. is EVERY chant in this league recycled!?
i just heard pop goes the world (dichio 24)
and we're the black and gold army (timbers green and white)

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:27 PM
;1522713']Dont forget to added Columbus up by 2 goals to nil and not necessarily attacking.

Yes very good point, I meant to add that. However, I think what we're also seeing is that Columbus isn't SUCH a great team. If TFC had pressured them from the beginning instead of standing around lazily, some better personnel decisions from Mariner, some passing & possession instead of hoofing, they could have done better.

[NBF]
08-22-2012, 08:28 PM
I hate seeing homeless people on the sidewalks and I hate hearing this Paul Mariner screaming at the top of his lungs. I ruins the game for me, but I dont feel like he deserves sympathy. He's alot worse than Preki.

__wowza
08-22-2012, 08:29 PM
oh my god, look at the fucking offside.

but seriously, this sandwich is terrific.
my day has vastly improved from the way it started!

Whoop
08-22-2012, 08:29 PM
seriously.. is EVERY chant in this league recycled!?
i just heard pop goes the world (dichio 24)
and we're the black and gold army (timbers green and white)

Yes.

Suds
08-22-2012, 08:30 PM
well, I didn't see anything that has shown me this team is getting better in any aspect of the game

Gazza
08-22-2012, 08:31 PM
while the game is like it is, i'd like to take this opportunity to discuss a sandwich i just made. i've been wanting to try this recipe for awhile.. it's a tuna steak and cheese with gruyère, shallots, garlic and a steak spice my brother makes.

it's fucking fantastic. seriously.. its like.. one of the best sandwiches i've ever eaten.

hows the game going? oh yeah.. i forgot..

Sounds orgasmic.

Nerepis
08-22-2012, 08:32 PM
Boring game, poor coaching, but I got a great sandwich recipe, so it wasn't a total loss.

gracos
08-22-2012, 08:33 PM
oh my god, look at the fucking offside.

but seriously, this sandwich is terrific.
my day has vastly improved from the way it started!

I honestly think your sandwich would be better and more entertaining than TFC

narduch
08-22-2012, 08:33 PM
Level of Excellence

The team has also instituted a "Level of Excellence" on the 400 level of the Rogers Centre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Centre), where the following Jays personnel are honoured:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/JaysRetired01.PNG/260px-JaysRetired01.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired01.PNG)
Tony Fernández (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fern%C3%A1ndez)
SS, 3B: 1983–1990, 1993, 1998–1999, 2001

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/JaysRetired11.PNG/260px-JaysRetired11.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired11.PNG)
George Bell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bell_%28outfielder%29)
LF: 1981–1990

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0c/JaysRetired12.png/260px-JaysRetired12.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired12.png)
Roberto Alomar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Alomar)
2B: 1991–1995



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/JaysRetired29.PNG/260px-JaysRetired29.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired29.PNG)
Joe Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Carter)
RF, 1B: 1991–1997

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cb/JaysRetired37.PNG/260px-JaysRetired37.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired37.PNG)
Dave Stieb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Stieb)
P: 1979–1992, 1998

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/JaysRetired43.PNG/260px-JaysRetired43.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired43.PNG)
Cito Gaston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cito_Gaston)
M: 1989–1997, 2008–2010



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/JaysRetired4306.PNG/260px-JaysRetired4306.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetired4306.PNG)
Tom Cheek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cheek)
Broadcaster: 1977–2005

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/JaysRetiredPB.PNG/260px-JaysRetiredPB.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetiredPB.PNG)
Paul Beeston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Beeston)
VP: 1976–1989; President: 1989–1997, 2008–present

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/JaysRetiredPG.PNG/260px-JaysRetiredPG.PNG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JaysRetiredPG.PNG)
Pat Gillick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Gillick)
GM: 1978–1994




Let's compare it to the Blue Jays Wall of Honour

See the difference?

By the Blue Jays' standard TFC wouldn't even have a Wall of Honour yet.

The next 2 guys with a chance to get on that wall are probably Carlos Delgado and Roy Halladay.

Gazza
08-22-2012, 08:34 PM
Look out Santos Laguna, we coming for your asses next!

narduch
08-22-2012, 08:35 PM
;1522723']He's alot worse than Preki.

Our current results remind me a lot of that 2009 Preki swoon that got him and Mo Johnston fired.

bigredone
08-22-2012, 08:35 PM
[QUOTE=__wowza;1522714]while the game is like it is, i'd like to take this opportunity to discuss a sandwich i just made. i've been wanting to try this recipe for awhile.. it's a tuna steak and cheese with gruyère, shallots, garlic and a steak spice my brother makes.

it's fucking fantastic. seriously.. its like.. one of the best sandwiches i've ever eaten.

Thanks for the recipe! Next tFC game we will bring our mommas pasta dish so we can come away from the game with something.

OgtheDim
08-22-2012, 08:35 PM
So the highlight of the game was the sandwich.......

nonc
08-22-2012, 08:35 PM
Time to bring on Amerikwa and Avila!!!!

Mariner has an aversion to fielding his best squad. Maybe if he didn't park the bus from the first minute with defensive scrubiness we wouldn't be behind all the time. If the man is re-hired all is lost. I'm just glad the MLSE takeover somewhat decreases those chances.

Lee Godfrey is a joke, watching a broadcast with him involved is a chore.

Oranje
08-22-2012, 08:37 PM
As sad as it is I'd rather watch us lose playing possession, attacking football a la Winter than the tripe I just somehow sat through. Every time Dunfield touched the ball I wanted to throw my beer at the TV, either backwards when the entire team was ahead of him or to Frings who was already surrounded by 3 yellow shirts. Utterly useless.

asterix606
08-22-2012, 08:37 PM
;1522707']What are the chances he gets added to the wall of honour like Danny Dichio after 2 seasons?

Who is presently on the Wall of Honour?

I hope DeRo is on it! He is TFC's highest all time scorer!



1

Dwayne De Rosario (http://redpatchboys.ca/wiki/Dwayne_De_Rosario)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png Canada (http://redpatchboys.ca/wiki/Canada)

2009–11

32 goals

75 games

narduch
08-22-2012, 08:38 PM
Hell, we just gave up our first rounder in the future to pick up a striker who could of been had for free in the offseason.

Never mind the off-season. Vancouver DESPERATELY wanted to get rid of Hassli. He should have been had for a supplement draft pick or even less. Why it took a 1st rounder to nab him boggles the mind. Classic mismanagement of assets by TFC staff. Its part of the reason why we are endlessly the worst team in the league.

Suds
08-22-2012, 08:38 PM
Look out Santos Laguna, we coming for your asses next!

Our only hope is that after watching game tapes Santos decides to let their training staff suit up instead. g:D

Seriously though, if we do not come up with with the game of our year we could be in for a beating.

Thomas
08-22-2012, 08:39 PM
We only woke up and started playing later in the 2nd half, why? O'Dea had a pretty good game, and I think he will continue to get stronger. Eks was good too. Another loss, and more of the same. Does anyone know why Freddy started in net? Duncefield continues to play poorly and his passing is terrible. He shouldn't be starting. Poor Torsten, our midfield is non existent.

69Chevy396
08-22-2012, 08:40 PM
My vote goes to Lombardo or Garcia

DoubleUp
08-22-2012, 08:40 PM
Maybe we should start Amrikwa next time. Weedman was a ghost.

I was saying that two games ago. Mariner doesnt have a clue.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:41 PM
I just wanted to praise Mariner once more, he so successfully protected the 2-1 loss by bringing in Maund at CB near the end of the game, rather than bringing in Avila. Three cheers & orange slices for all!

69Chevy396
08-22-2012, 08:41 PM
Never mind the off-season. Vancouver DESPERATELY wanted to get rid of Hassli. He should have been had for a supplement draft pick or even less. Why it took a 1st rounder to nab him boggles the mind. Classic mismanagement of assets by TFC staff. Its part of the reason why we are endlessly the worst team in the league.Not just this league

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:43 PM
we basically played a 5-0-5
-----------------Hall-------------------
--Ecks-Dunce-O'dea-Williams-Morgan--
-------------------------------------
--Weedman-Frings-Silva-Hassli-Johnson--

How is this going to help our long term vision (4-3-3)??

We need to boycott the home games so ML$E will start caring

iy12l
08-22-2012, 08:46 PM
What if Mariner is purposely trying to destroy TFC? A 5 year old can manage a club better than he does

starter
08-22-2012, 08:50 PM
we basically played a 5-0-5
-----------------Hall-------------------
--Ecks-Dunce-O'dea-Williams-Morgan--
-------------------------------------
--Weedman-Frings-Silva-Hassli-Johnson--

How is this going to help our long term vision (4-3-3)??

We need to boycott the home games so ML$E will start caring

Vision - shmision.

5-0-5 was the minor tweak.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 08:52 PM
RE starting Amerikwa: that would have been better today than what Mariner decided. However, we have also seen Amerikwa get more minutes in other games, and not do so well. After some great plays today by Amerikwa, we also saw some of his problems. He's got great speed, some nifty moves, and lots of enthusiasm. But he also has a poor first touch alot of the time, and can get too excited about himself, not looking around & running into trouble. In MLS he's good for the role he played today: come in as a late sub, run at tired defenders, inject some enthusiasm.

The problem is, we don't have the starters that should be playing before Amerikwa comes on. Wiedeman is not the right guy. Plata or (especially) Soolsma would be.

starter
08-22-2012, 08:55 PM
RE starting Amerikwa: that would have been better today than what Mariner decided. However, we have also seen Amerikwa get more minutes in other games, and not do so well. After some great plays today by Amerikwa, we also saw some of his problems. He's got great speed, some nifty moves, and lots of enthusiasm. But he also has a poor first touch alot of the time, and can get too excited about himself, not looking around & running into trouble. In MLS he's good for the role he played today: come in as a late sub, run at tired defenders, inject some enthusiasm.

The problem is, we don't have the starters that should be playing before Amerikwa comes on. Wiedeman is not the right guy. Plata or (especially) Soolsma would be.
Plata had some crazy ideas, and Soolsma was firmly planted on the bench ( next to Avila ), Mariner system (???) does not need so many wingers...

Oldtimer
08-22-2012, 08:59 PM
Three cheers & orange slices for all!

The players love Mariner. He's a player's coach! I'm sure he brought the orange slices. He may have even brought some Kool Aid Jammers. That should make them happy.

Oldtimer
08-22-2012, 08:59 PM
Plata had some crazy ideas, and Soolsma was firmly planted on the bench ( next to Avila ), Mariner system (???) does not need so many wingers...

You know, I really hate to call what Mariner does a system. Seems like to high a word for it.

__wowza
08-22-2012, 09:00 PM
So the highlight of the game was the sandwich.......


it was a good sandwich.

Furtado91
08-22-2012, 09:01 PM
I have nothing to say its already been said, so heres a picture of Cow Pigeon.


http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4499/cowpigeon.jpg

starter
08-22-2012, 09:05 PM
You know, I really hate to call what Mariner does a system. Seems like to high a word for it.
Big words, players could be uncomfortable with, of course. Lets boot and run.

Thomas
08-22-2012, 09:06 PM
The first Columbus goal could have been saved. Hall was too far forward, and should have been closer to the goal line. I wonder how Milo's would have dealt with it?

starter
08-22-2012, 09:11 PM
The first Columbus goal could have been saved. Hall was too far forward, and should have been closer to the goal line. I wonder how Milo's would have dealt with it?
Milos let the similar deflection in last game.

spe18
08-22-2012, 09:14 PM
we basically played a 5-0-5
-----------------Hall-------------------
--Ecks-Dunce-O'dea-Williams-Morgan--
-------------------------------------
--Weedman-Frings-Silva-Hassli-Johnson--

How is this going to help our long term vision (4-3-3)??

We need to boycott the home games so ML$E will start caring

As I understand it, a boycott (or at least very close to it) was already done for the game vs CD Agluiara a few weeks back :)

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 09:26 PM
Wow, Kurtis Larson still serving up the hard core full-time kool-aid:


Kurtis Larson ‏@KurtLarSUN
(https://twitter.com/KurtLarSUN)@LMaiolino (https://twitter.com/LMaiolino) @johnmolinaro (https://twitter.com/johnmolinaro) #TFC (https://twitter.com/search/?src=hash&q=%23TFC) is a better team with O'Dea. Mariner gets an offseason and at least another full season.

WTF WTF WTF? If O'Dea turns out to be good long-term, then TFC would have been a better team with O'Dea under Winter, and under most of the previous coaches as well. And we're still a worse team due to some of the other players we lost & the weak players that Mariner overplays.

narduch
08-22-2012, 09:33 PM
Wow, Kurtis Larson still serving up the hard core full-time kool-aid:



WTF WTF WTF? If O'Dea turns out to be good long-term, then TFC would have been a better team with O'Dea under Winter, and under most of the previous coaches as well. And we're still a worse team due to some of the other players we lost & the weak players that Mariner overplays.

Looks like Larson has his pom poms out.

He isn't the only one doing this. There seems to be a few in the Mariner cheerleader squad that keep trying to say he deserves a full off-season. It makes me want to puke.

Canary10
08-22-2012, 09:37 PM
We've lost four in a row, and we have Houston (A), KC (A) and Chicago (H) coming up. Has any team in MLS had two 9 game losing streaks in a season? We could get pretty close.

nonc
08-22-2012, 09:38 PM
Wow, Kurtis Larson still serving up the hard core full-time kool-aid:



WTF WTF WTF? If O'Dea turns out to be good long-term, then TFC would have been a better team with O'Dea under Winter, and under most of the previous coaches as well. And we're still a worse team due to some of the other players we lost & the weak players that Mariner overplays.

Kurtis Larson must be bought by MLSE like Wilner is bought by Sportsnet. Propaganda at all costs!! it would be easier to stomach Toronto sports media if the toolsheds didn't so greatly outweigh the microcosm of people worthy of being read or listened to.

starter
08-22-2012, 09:40 PM
Looks like Larson has his pom poms out.

He isn't the only one doing this. There seems to be a few in the Mariner cheerleader squad that keep trying to say he deserves a full off-season. It makes me want to puke.

Mariner must have a video on them with an animal or a ...

__wowza
08-22-2012, 09:48 PM
http://i.imm.io/BDlc.png

i think this sums it up..

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 09:55 PM
Looks like Larson has his pom poms out.
I used to think he did a decent job, but he has been anything but objective when it comes to Paul Mariner. Coverage of the team has been down right pathetic.

We're back to excusing away losses on account of "playing well" same way we did with Winter.

narduch
08-22-2012, 10:12 PM
I used to think he did a decent job, but he has been anything but objective when it comes to Paul Mariner. Coverage of the team has been down right pathetic.

We're back to excusing away losses on account of "playing well" same way we did with Winter.

But its amazing how all his objectivity seemed to vanish once Mariner was put in charge.

I kind of wonder if Mariner is a drinking buddy with the media guys. Or if he was their source for TFC scoops in the past and they don't want to burn bridges.

Why else would a media member blatantly cheerlead for the guy? And all the TFC media guys in general seem to be totally soft on Mariner. All the criticism of the way things are going are pretty much on this forum alone.

KGH
08-22-2012, 10:16 PM
We've lost four in a row, and we have Houston (A), KC (A) and Chicago (H) coming up. Has any team in MLS had two 9 game losing streaks in a season? We could get pretty close.

We've only lost 2 in a row. The Portland game may have felt like a loss but it was a draw.

Whats interesting is that right before the Chicago match there's 2 international friendlies. On the 7th and 11th Canada, Jamaica, and Ireland all have friendlies. The 12th is the game against Chicago followed by another home game on the 15th against Philly.

However, that being said I could easily see us lose each and every remaining league game. Houston (A), KC (A), Chicago (H), Phiily (H), LA (A), NY (A), DC (H), Montreal (H), and Columbus (A).

iy12l
08-22-2012, 10:18 PM
But its amazing how all his objectivity seemed to vanish once Mariner was put in charge.

I kind of wonder if Mariner is a drinking buddy with the media guys. Or if he was their source for TFC scoops in the past and they don't want to burn bridges.

Why else would a media member blatantly cheerlead for the guy? And all the TFC media guys in general seem to be totally soft on Mariner. All the criticism of the way things are going are pretty much on this forum alone.

Im telling you guys, if you just boycott the home games and save your money/time, then the media cant make any more bullshit stories of how good Mariner is. Then this parasite will finally get fired and maybe we will get a proper coach.

Lennon
08-22-2012, 10:23 PM
However, that being said I could easily see us lose each and every remaining league game. Houston (A), KC (A), Chicago (H), Phiily (H), LA (A), NY (A), DC (H), Montreal (H), and Columbus (A).

I wouldn't mind that. We'd get the #1 pick and then Rogers/Bell would have no choice but to blow up the front office.

.. right ?!

narduch
08-22-2012, 10:26 PM
However, that being said I could easily see us lose each and every remaining league game. Houston (A), KC (A), Chicago (H), Phiily (H), LA (A), NY (A), DC (H), Montreal (H), and Columbus (A).

Wow, that's a fairly tough schedule to end the season. Lots of playoff teams or teams still in the race.

This could get ugly (or uglier I suppose).

mowe
08-22-2012, 11:19 PM
Maybe we should start Amrikwa next time. Weedman was a ghost.

The fact that this was a serious comment pains me greatly.

Richard
08-22-2012, 11:20 PM
Wow, Kurtis Larson still serving up the hard core full-time kool-aid:



WTF WTF WTF? If O'Dea turns out to be good long-term, then TFC would have been a better team with O'Dea under Winter, and under most of the previous coaches as well. And we're still a worse team due to some of the other players we lost & the weak players that Mariner overplays.

You know its guys like this that make me loose any faith i had left in the media. I guess there all on the mlse payroll because the amount of bs being spewed by this guy is unreal, he is so biased its stupid and shamefull.

RPB_RED_NATION_RPB
08-22-2012, 11:20 PM
The crew were playing for a dead teammate. Maybe we should hope that one of our players die. We may get a sentimental win. Anything at this point would help.

idiot

__wowza
08-22-2012, 11:22 PM
The crew were playing for a dead teammate. Maybe we should hope that one of our players die. We may get a sentimental win. Anything at this point would help.



whoa, bad form dude. way out of line there, even as a joke.

Auzzy
08-22-2012, 11:23 PM
^No I don't hope that one of our players dies, or that a player on any team dies for that matter.

The way Toronto played for 80 minutes of the game today, Columbus would beat them 9 out of 10 times, regardless of whatever else might be happening at the time -- births, deaths, you name it.

Just realized that Wiedeman had the deflection today again, that helped to lead to the first goal. Just like last game. Orange slices for that kid! (And no I don't think we should use Wiedeman as the new scapegoat for everything; he's far from the only problem on this team.)

Soccerpro
08-22-2012, 11:30 PM
How did our nearly 400k defender Richard Eckersley play today?

ag futbol
08-22-2012, 11:34 PM
whoa, bad form dude. way out of line there, even as a joke.
Joke is on him... when is the last time a toronto fc player showed signs of life?

ok ok, I'll stop

TFC USA
08-22-2012, 11:49 PM
The crew were playing for a dead teammate. Maybe we should hope that one of our players die. We may get a sentimental win. Anything at this point would help.

What a fucking disgusting comment. I don't care for the Crew but that is unacceptable.

As for the game, I didn't watch it, I'm glad I didn't, and I'm glad this board has now stopped reaching for positives and seeing what this "team" MLSE puts out really is. Minimum success with maximum profits is their hope.

tfcocd
08-23-2012, 12:21 AM
If Columbus can support a team since inception (And win an MLS cup) with that attendance we don't have to worry about franchise death. MLS is a business model that allows a high level of indifference to survive. I don't know if KKKrew are prospering but even if BMO is 'empty' at 12,000 season ticket holders there is no danger of TFC failing or disappearing as a franchise. Atmosphere will suck but the supporter and enthusiasts who want to make the trek and pay the price will still be able to attend live matches featuring the highest level of football available in the country. The marketing pitch, outside of designated players can only be that the academy will develop the players TFC needs in each non designated player position... something our National team will hope Canadian MLS clubs start delivering sooner than later.

Benficachop20
08-23-2012, 01:10 AM
The crew were playing for a dead teammate. Maybe we should hope that one of our players die. We may get a sentimental win. Anything at this point would help.

Dude seriously stfu.

khso11
08-23-2012, 01:36 AM
The crew were playing for a dead teammate. Maybe we should hope that one of our players die. We may get a sentimental win. Anything at this point would help.

this is the stupidest joke i've ever heard,:picard:

TFC Tifoso
08-23-2012, 07:12 AM
what happened to #marinergettingshitdone??? lol.......can someone buy the man a plane ticket and a pair of pants as a parting gift?........."No Pants Wednesdays (or Saturdays)" at the office.......can't believe this lush was even given control of the team......

Canary10
08-23-2012, 08:32 AM
We've only lost 2 in a row. The Portland game may have felt like a loss but it was a draw.

Whats interesting is that right before the Chicago match there's 2 international friendlies. On the 7th and 11th Canada, Jamaica, and Ireland all have friendlies. The 12th is the game against Chicago followed by another home game on the 15th against Philly.

However, that being said I could easily see us lose each and every remaining league game. Houston (A), KC (A), Chicago (H), Phiily (H), LA (A), NY (A), DC (H), Montreal (H), and Columbus (A).

Ha, I was even at that game. Thanks for the correction.

Fort York Redcoat
08-23-2012, 08:42 AM
If Columbus can support a team since inception (And win an MLS cup) with that attendance we don't have to worry about franchise death. MLS is a business model that allows a high level of indifference to survive. I don't know if KKKrew are prospering but even if BMO is 'empty' at 12,000 season ticket holders there is no danger of TFC failing or disappearing as a franchise. Atmosphere will suck but the supporter and enthusiasts who want to make the trek and pay the price will still be able to attend live matches featuring the highest level of football available in the country. The marketing pitch, outside of designated players can only be that the academy will develop the players TFC needs in each non designated player position... something our National team will hope Canadian MLS clubs start delivering sooner than later.


Holy Shit Thank You.

Columbus is a team only a couple of wins out of the playoffs with games in hand and that's what their stadium looks like (yes on a Wed). Dallas was in the final two seasons ago and are as close as Columbus and are again one of the worst attendees of the league. They survive. Most NA sports do. THAT'S the only good thing about parity (for me).

Next is Houston. How bout that Andre Hainault.

Derko
08-23-2012, 08:56 AM
How did our nearly 400k defender Richard Eckersley play today?

From what I say, better than the rest of the team, and worth it!!! in my opinion

Canary10
08-23-2012, 09:00 AM
I was looking at the MLS game stats. I find the MLS site is not very good at accurately stating the teams' formations. But, they have TFC lined up in a 4-2-2-2. Now that would explain the complete lack of width we consistently play with. But holy shit, is this at all an accurate portrayal of our formation?

GlenM
08-23-2012, 09:03 AM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/136738/1/watch-columbus-crew-vs-toronto-fc.html


firstrow always has the games....

Cool, stream was good.

GlenM

__wowza
08-23-2012, 09:13 AM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/08/higuaineckersley.jpg

Gazza
08-23-2012, 09:17 AM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/08/higuaineckersley.jpg

The elbow to the temple looked worse.

Dreadlocks
08-23-2012, 09:30 AM
I thought they looked bad last night but better than they have been as of late. They actually tried to string some passes together at times. Here's what I observed:

I think Eks looked better than he has becasue he played his natural position
Dicoy looked confident and somewhat capable.
O'dea looked the part
Dunfield + Frings = too old and slow for a pro midfield.
Weideman is simply not an MLS starter
Johnson is better suited to play up top - not out wide in the midfield (but he did look very lively at times in the game)
Hassli must be losing patience with all the balls played to his head (1 goal and 2 assists since his arrival is not bad)
Silva does not play well in front of the ball like a striker. He needs to be on the ball as much as possible. I only noticed him really when Frings came out and he dropped back into the midfield. No coincidence that they scored as soon as the change was made. Notice Silva came from behind the ball.
Although Kocic may have had one of the 2 goals scored, Hall's distribution was WAY better.

Subs:
Hall looked tentative but somewhat capable
Amarikwa looks strong and fast with a bit of skill. looks like he'll be an ok super sub (not a starter)
Did Maund play?

Oh and lastly, the second Cuntlubus goal was scored becasue 2 of the teams 'leaders' - and coaches favorites - in Dunfield and Eks were standing on either side of Higuian ball watching.

Anyway, see you all on Tuesday. The O'dea, Peralta match up should be fun......or embarrassing!

Go Reds!!

ag futbol
08-23-2012, 09:34 AM
I was looking at the MLS game stats. I find the MLS site is not very good at accurately stating the teams' formations. But, they have TFC lined up in a 4-2-2-2. Now that would explain the complete lack of width we consistently play with. But holy shit, is this at all an accurate portrayal of our formation?
I wouldn't really say so unless you interpreted the way we play the 4 in the midfield as kind of U-shaped. That being said, we do frequently change our formation within the game so it is at times a bit of a wash.

jloome
08-23-2012, 11:28 AM
I thought they looked bad last night but better than they have been as of late. They actually tried to string some passes together at times. Here's what I observed:

I think Eks looked better than he has becasue he played his natural position
Dicoy looked confident and somewhat capable.
O'dea looked the part
Dunfield + Frings = too old and slow for a pro midfield.
Weideman is simply not an MLS starter
Johnson is better suited to play up top - not out wide in the midfield (but he did look very lively at times in the game)
Hassli must be losing patience with all the balls played to his head (1 goal and 2 assists since his arrival is not bad)
Silva does not play well in front of the ball like a striker. He needs to be on the ball as much as possible. I only noticed him really when Frings came out and he dropped back into the midfield. No coincidence that they scored as soon as the change was made. Notice Silva came from behind the ball.
Although Kocic may have had one of the 2 goals scored, Hall's distribution was WAY better.

Subs:
Hall looked tentative but somewhat capable
Amarikwa looks strong and fast with a bit of skill. looks like he'll be an ok super sub (not a starter)
Did Maund play?

Oh and lastly, the second Cuntlubus goal was scored becasue 2 of the teams 'leaders' - and coaches favorites - in Dunfield and Eks were standing on either side of Higuian ball watching.

Anyway, see you all on Tuesday. The O'dea, Peralta match up should be fun......or embarrassing!

Go Reds!!

I think Wiedeman's being dumped on unfairly. He was no worse than most of the team, and actually created a couple of chances before he was taken out, including some neat dribbling to win that free kick at the edge of the box.

He looked like a low-rent Nick Soolsma, which is depressing as hell but not the horror show this thread is suggesting him to be.

We were dominated in the central midfield. That's the biggest reason we lost. Frings' age is showing and Dunfield is just fucking woeful. Twice, frings received the ball in space and turned to the centre, expecting Dunfield to move into space. But instead, Terry had gone back into our own half to play anchor....even though we were in possession in their end.

Seriously, I know people love a hardworking guy, but we will never be a winning team with this guy starting. He's a late sub, as an anchor man blocking passing lanes, at the very best.

And I like Ryan Johnson's attacking play, but we can't play him as a wide midfielder; his defence is non-existent.

We would be better playing a diamond right now with FRINGS as the anchor than trying to play with two-way midfielders too slow to fill the role.

This team would've been more competitive:

--------------Kocic (Hall looks a bit nightmarish so far)
Eckersley----Williams/Harden----O'Dea--------Morgan-
-----------------Frings-----------------------
------Hall------------------- Lambe
---------------Johnson-------------------
---------Hassli-----------Silva

Some points: Hall is not a solid enough defender to play RB and not a solid enough winger to play midfield. But he's more solid at the latter than our other options and would have less space behind him. Plus, Hall and Eckersley make a natural tandem for the overlap. Johnson is good one-on-one and a good shooter from the edge of the box, with his finishing issues being of foot speed and release when in tight quarters.

In this formation you play the overlap slightly differently, with the overlapped player, or the fullback if the wide player stays high, slotting in slightly deeper behind them to help the midfield stay wide enough to cover. Both Hall and Lambe are tenacious defenders, albeit average-to-poor tacklers, so they can at least clog up their respective areas and make movement there difficult, funneling our opponent's best lanes past frings, O'dea and williams instead and lowering the chance that we'll be exposed from crosses.

However, even with these considerations to address our current shortcomings, this lineup is at least two players short of competitive, week in and out. I don't think Johnson will ever play hard if he's not a striker, as he doesn't want to play anywhere else. But his release and positional sense from 22 yards in are awful. We'd be better to trade him to someone willing to give him a shot up top. Hall isn't startign class, period. His marking is average-to-poor and his tackling as well. At least his work rate is good. But we need another versatile midfielder, and one who can play wide. Both Jr. Burgos and Nick Soolsma would have been better options than these two, but I suspect personality issues may have been a factor there. Stoic dutchman don't have much in common with the Steven Lenharts and Kyle Beckermans of the world.

EDIT: I should add that Dicoy Williams looks technically sound but also can't read the play at MLS speed and was caught high about five times, which is death for a team in this league. So we need a second CB as well; Doneil is class in the air but not ready positionally. His tackling and work rate are solid enough that I'd probably start Harden right now, until we get something better, alongside O'Dea.

Doneil is still a couple of years away. It's a tougher adjustment than playing wide.

T-boy
08-23-2012, 11:53 AM
Good post jloome. Agree with most.

Wiedeman isn't as bad as some people are suggesting agreed. He's not spectacular, but he's ok. On the other hand, I would still much prefer Avila. I'm nto sure why Avila has fallen SO out of favour. He was part of the reason why we were playing so well post-Winter.

Williams is ok - but he definitely looks like he's had a year out of football. He was turned inside out so easily a couple of times. He was like an oil-tanker trying to make a quick turn!

I think Frings OR Dunfield would be ok IF they weren't playing alongside each other. Both players end up doing the same thing. Frings needs somebody more athletic next to him. Or if you have Dunfield, you need him to sit in front of the back four, and need somebody more dynamic ahead of him. Both work if we want to grind out a result. but in a game where we need somebody to put their foot on the ball and look for a pass, we need only one of them playing.

I really don't know what to suggest about Johnson. He's not a goalscorer. And he isn't a set-up guy either. I think we can do better than him, personally. I wouldn't really care if he left to be honest. I know he has some fans - but he ends up being Chad Barrett with a little less work ethic, just a little cheaper than Barrett. When Barrett left I thought we would find a replacement who was at least better. But we just ended up getting a cheaper alternative, with the same skills sets, but definitely not any better in quality.

I would say we are definitely 3 players off having a GOOD first 11. We need another CB. We need one quality box-to-box midfielder. And we need a second striker to go alongside Hassli or Koev's. I can live with the rest of the team - but those 3 changes/additions to the squad would make a big difference.

For next season, I would start by losing all the excess defenders that are NEVER going to make it and never going to be the second CB alongside O'Dea - so Harden, Cann, Williams IMO can all leave, and that opens up a big chunk of cap space. That opens up enough to find a CB and at least one of a midfielder or second striker. If TFC can pick up a GA for one of the positions, then we can definitely trade to get all 3 needed players in the off season.

ag futbol
08-23-2012, 11:56 AM
I think Wiedeman's being dumped on unfairly. He was no worse than most of the team, and actually created a couple of chances before he was taken out, including some neat dribbling to win that free kick at the edge of the box.

He looked like a low-rent Nick Soolsma, which is depressing as hell but not the horror show this thread is suggesting him to be.

We were dominated in the central midfield. That's the biggest reason we lost. Frings' age is showing and Dunfield is just fucking woeful. Twice, frings received the ball in space and turned to the centre, expecting Dunfield to move into space. But instead, Terry had gone back into our own half to play anchor....even though we were in possession in their end.

Seriously, I know people love a hardworking guy, but we will never be a winning team with this guy starting. He's a late sub, as an anchor man blocking passing lanes, at the very best.

And I like Ryan Johnson's attacking play, but we can't play him as a wide midfielder; his defence is non-existent.

We would be better playing a diamond right now with FRINGS as the anchor than trying to play with two-way midfielders too slow to fill the role.

This team would've been more competitive:

--------------Kocic (Hall looks a bit nightmarish so far)
Eckersley----Williams/Harden----O'Dea--------Morgan-
-----------------Frings-----------------------
------Hall------------------- Lambe
---------------Johnson-------------------
---------Hassli-----------Silva

Some points: Hall is not a solid enough defender to play RB and not a solid enough winger to play midfield. But he's more solid at the latter than our other options and would have less space behind him. Plus, Hall and Eckersley make a natural tandem for the overlap. Johnson is good one-on-one and a good shooter from the edge of the box, with his finishing issues being of foot speed and release when in tight quarters.

In this formation you play the overlap slightly differently, with the overlapped player, or the fullback if the wide player stays high, slotting in slightly deeper behind them to help the midfield stay wide enough to cover. Both Hall and Lambe are tenacious defenders, albeit average-to-poor tacklers, so they can at least clog up their respective areas and make movement there difficult, funneling our opponent's best lanes past frings, O'dea and williams instead and lowering the chance that we'll be exposed from crosses.

However, even with these considerations to address our current shortcomings, this lineup is at least two players short of competitive, week in and out. I don't think Johnson will ever play hard if he's not a striker, as he doesn't want to play anywhere else. But his release and positional sense from 22 yards in are awful. We'd be better to trade him to someone willing to give him a shot up top. Hall isn't startign class, period. His marking is average-to-poor and his tackling as well. At least his work rate is good. But we need another versatile midfielder, and one who can play wide. Both Jr. Burgos and Nick Soolsma would have been better options than these two, but I suspect personality issues may have been a factor there. Stoic dutchman don't have much in common with the Steven Lenharts and Kyle Beckermans of the world.

EDIT: I should add that Dicoy Williams looks technically sound but also can't read the play at MLS speed and was caught high about five times, which is death for a team in this league. So we need a second CB as well; Doneil is class in the air but not ready positionally. His tackling and work rate are solid enough that I'd probably start Harden right now, until we get something better, alongside O'Dea.

Doneil is still a couple of years away. It's a tougher adjustment than playing wide.
Think I agree with everything here... except starting Ty Harden, lol.

Blizzard
08-23-2012, 01:51 PM
I think Frings OR Dunfield would be ok IF they weren't playing alongside each other. Both players end up doing the same thing. Frings needs somebody more athletic next to him. Or if you have Dunfield, you need him to sit in front of the back four, and need somebody more dynamic ahead of him. Both work if we want to grind out a result. but in a game where we need somebody to put their foot on the ball and look for a pass, we need only one of them playing.


The truth is, with the brief exception of the post-coaching change bounce, that Frings was a better player with JDG in the line-up. They understood each other and JDG's skill level was something that would mesh with Frings style of play. Terry doesn't have that skill set/level. Frings and Julian played at a higher level and generally knew where each other would be. Terry can't provide that to Frings.

I love Dunfield's work ethic and I appreciate a player who will get stuck in ... something we horribly lack ... but ......................

T-boy
08-23-2012, 02:27 PM
The truth is, with the brief exception of the post-coaching change bounce, that Frings was a better player with JDG in the line-up. They understood each other and JDG's skill level was something that would mesh with Frings style of play. Terry doesn't have that skill set/level. Frings and Julian played at a higher level and generally knew where each other would be. Terry can't provide that to Frings.

I love Dunfield's work ethic and I appreciate a player who will get stuck in ... something we horribly lack ... but ......................

JDG and Frings were also playing together in Winter's system. It's not JUST down to whether Frings is playing with Dunns or JDG. Winter's system was HEAVILY reliant on Frings - he was the central focus of nearly everything, whether he was playing DM or CB. And when Winter was here, if Frings was missing, the team struggled horribly.

Now, if Frings wasn't playing, can we sau that we would miss him that much? I would say now. We actually looked better last night when Frings went off! Frings is no longer the number one passing focus point of the team. You can argue if that's good or bad. But I know with Winter - if Frings wasn't playing, we had absolutely no hope in playing well! Now, if Frings is missing, it isn't the end of the world like it was before.

v00d00daddy
08-23-2012, 03:20 PM
JDG and Frings were also playing together in Winter's system. It's not JUST down to whether Frings is playing with Dunns or JDG. Winter's system was HEAVILY reliant on Frings - he was the central focus of nearly everything, whether he was playing DM or CB. And when Winter was here, if Frings was missing, the team struggled horribly.

Now, if Frings wasn't playing, can we sau that we would miss him that much? I would say now. We actually looked better last night when Frings went off! Frings is no longer the number one passing focus point of the team. You can argue if that's good or bad. But I know with Winter - if Frings wasn't playing, we had absolutely no hope in playing well! Now, if Frings is missing, it isn't the end of the world like it was before.

While I agree that rely too heavily on a player like frings makes life difficult I'd still take it over playing in a manner that renders him ineffective.

I'd rather my DP be a focal point over an afterthought.

Frings looks like a spare part right now and the way they play highlights all his shortcomings instead of bringing out his best qualities.

T-boy
08-23-2012, 03:38 PM
While I agree that rely too heavily on a player like frings makes life difficult I'd still take it over playing in a manner that renders him ineffective.

I'd rather my DP be a focal point over an afterthought.

Frings looks like a spare part right now and the way they play highlights all his shortcomings instead of bringing out his best qualities.

Agreed. But I also don't think its a good use of resources to have your DP as a DM. There are DM's within the MLS who are better than Frings (not in his youth, but better now, like Alonso and Beckermann) at a fraction of Frings DP price. DP's should be the at the exceptional areas of the field where money really makes a difference (striker, primarily). I like Frings, but a DM shouldn't be our main focal point of the whole team and play, IMO.

Pookie
08-23-2012, 03:52 PM
Not to romanticize the Winter era but when Frings arrived, JDG's play picked up. The club went on to post an 8-3-5 record in all matches through the end of 2011.

The start of 2012 was a bad one. Frings got hurt. JDG couldn't do it on his own and we went 1-9-0. Though 3-2-2 (all matches once Frings/Koevermans returned to form in May)

When I look at the remaining schedule, I shudder at the thought that Mariner, now 0-4-1 in his last 5, may not be able to improve on that record to conclude the season.

Pookie
08-23-2012, 03:55 PM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/08/higuaineckersley.jpg

With the way our season is going, I'm surprised Eckersley wasn't red carded for biting.

v00d00daddy
08-23-2012, 03:59 PM
Agreed. But I also don't think its a good use of resources to have your DP as a DM. There are DM's within the MLS who are better than Frings (not in his youth, but better now, like Alonso and Beckermann) at a fraction of Frings DP price. DP's should be the at the exceptional areas of the field where money really makes a difference (striker, primarily). I like Frings, but a DM shouldn't be our main focal point of the whole team and play, IMO.

But I don't see frings as just a dm. I think he has the ability to be the link between the back line and the attacking players without having to be the primary attacking distributor.

He has the ability to suck players into him as long as he has proper outlets...not Dunfield. Lol

Frings can make space for the silvas and avilas to do their thing. Right now he's on an island and getting lost out there.

Not being an integral part of our build up has robbed him of his ambition on the pitch. He looks disinterested and it's showing. He's a shadow of the player he was just earlier this season.

Pookie
08-23-2012, 04:04 PM
But I don't see frings as just a dm. I think he has the ability to be the link between the back line and the attacking players without having to be the primary attacking distributor.

He has the ability to suck players into him as long as he has proper outlets...not Dunfield. Lol

Frings can make space for the silvas and avilas to do their thing. Right now he's on an island and getting lost out there.

Not being an integral part of our build up has robbed him of his ambition on the pitch. He looks disinterested and it's showing. He's a shadow of the player he was just earlier this season.

My wife commented last night that he didn't look too thrilled to be hugged by Mariner after being subbed. Women do pick up on emotional reactions so I'll take her word for it. Consider this and that "PR campaign" where everyone ignored him... I'm really starting to wonder if he'll be back.

Blizzard
08-23-2012, 04:06 PM
But I don't see frings as just a dm. I think he has the ability to be the link between the back line and the attacking players without having to be the primary attacking distributor.

He has the ability to suck players into him as long as he has proper outlets...not Dunfield. Lol

Frings can make space for the silvas and avilas to do their thing. Right now he's on an island and getting lost out there.

Not being an integral part of our build up has robbed him of his ambition on the pitch. He looks disinterested and it's showing. He's a shadow of the player he was just earlier this season.

He's bored and frustrated not just with the style of play but with the team's futility. He can still play (some seem to doubt that) but hell, you've got to let him play.

Blizzard
08-23-2012, 04:07 PM
My wife commented last night that he didn't look too thrilled to be hugged by Mariner after being subbed. Women do pick up on emotional reactions so I'll take her word for it. Consider this and that "PR campaign" where everyone ignored him... I'm really starting to wonder if he'll be back.

I think Mariner was trying to give him an explanation of some sort but ya, Frings was not impressed.