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denime
07-24-2012, 06:09 PM
---------------Kocic----------------

Henry---Eckersley---Emory---Morgan

Lambe---Dunfield---Frings---Avila

--------Silva---- Johnson---------


Subs: Stinson,Williams,Amarikwa,Wiedeman,Hassli,Roberts



Let's see if we can get 4 in a row!

7-10 days off for most of the starters should be a good thing,Houston is on 3 games winning streak too,this might be a very good game.


TFC 2-1

Gazza
07-24-2012, 06:23 PM
Another winner for Weedman! 1-0 to the good guys. Blood stains on Terry Dunfield's shirt add to his Legend status. The blood will be Ching's as he feels some sweet chin music from Terry.

Yohan
07-24-2012, 06:55 PM
Houston is one of those teams that just cant seem to get a result at BMO field. Having said that, will bruin has been good lately and this new DP Boniek may be a Honduran, but he can play. Id say draw is likely. Because brad davis set pieces being the difference

Toronto Funk
07-25-2012, 10:47 AM
Hassli comes in as a sub at 85 mins. He then proceeds to thump home a winner from an angle from 25 yards in front of the South End and a Legend is born. He gets a yellow for celebrating excessively for running to the bench to hug Danny K. That is why we'll love him. Either that or this new phenomenon of the "Dunfield Legend" :smilewinkgrin: continues to grow!

Either way, it's great to have the bounce back in our steps when we go to games.

Come on you Reds!

TFC07
07-25-2012, 11:00 AM
Hassli is healthy now?

Redcoe15
07-25-2012, 06:59 PM
I will be at the game in 112, giving it all and laying it on the field, as an RPB should!
:flare::drum::scarf::drum: :flare:

COME ON YOU REEEEDDDDS!!!!

See you on Saturday! g:D

Gazza
07-26-2012, 12:26 PM
Hassli is healthy now?

Terry Dunfield laid his hands on Hassli, and not only is Hassli's ankle ready to go, it is his ankle of 2005.

He will play. He will score. Then he will change his maple leaves tattoo to Maple Leafs.

bigredone
07-26-2012, 04:13 PM
Getting out of the basement would be great this week. We could if NY defeats Philly on the 29th. However, it seems that a Philly victory would better our odds of climbing further.

Canary10
07-27-2012, 09:25 AM
Getting out of the basement would be great this week. We could if NY defeats Philly on the 29th. However, it seems that a Philly victory would better our odds of climbing further.

Technically we are out of the basement (on goal differential with Portland). For once we don't have the worst goal differential in the league!

bigredone
07-27-2012, 10:10 AM
God bless the technicalities!!!! I want a more in-your-face out of the basement stat though!!! hahah

And to creep up on Limpact.

Canary10
07-27-2012, 10:37 AM
God bless the technicalities!!!! I want a more in-your-face out of the basement stat though!!! hahah

And to creep up on Limpact.

Yeah, absolutely we cannot finish behind Montreal. If we can make good use of the games in hand, we'll be ahead of them.

ManUtd4ever
07-27-2012, 02:05 PM
According to Mariner, Hassli might be ready to go tomorrow, perhaps as a late sub.

bigredone
07-27-2012, 03:27 PM
I hope so. I would love to support him, but he has to earn it. He is replacing a beloved member of the squad which I am sure he feels the pressure of. At least I hope he caresthat much!!

Super
07-27-2012, 04:55 PM
I hope so. I would love to support him, but he has to earn it. He is replacing a beloved member of the squad which I am sure he feels the pressure of. At least I hope he caresthat much!!

I think we need to really show him support simply because he didn't ask to be traded. It's important to give him a warm welcome.

Shakes McQueen
07-27-2012, 06:07 PM
I think we need to really show him support simply because he didn't ask to be traded. It's important to give him a warm welcome.

Agreed 100%.

- Scott

ryan
07-27-2012, 08:33 PM
A simple "WE WANT HASS-LI" would catch on quick I think.

bigredone
07-27-2012, 09:52 PM
I think we need to really show him support simply because he didn't ask to be traded. It's important to give him a warm welcome.

Ya, true. I understand that. He may not have asked to be traded, but give him the support and he will be glad he was!!!!

R.J. would be the likely sub-off for Hassli given Silva's form lately. Also, I spotted Silva at mass last week. With a god in his corner, look out!!!!!

denime
07-28-2012, 05:49 AM
TFC PROBABLE STARTING XI
Kocic; Henry, Eckersley, Emory, Morgan; Lambe, Dunfield, Frings, Avila; Silva, Johnson

TORONTO FC INJURIES
G Stefan Frei (leg); F Danny Koevermans (knee); F Nicholas Lindsay (knee); D Jeremy Hall (hamstring)


It's good to see injury list is getting smaller and smaller.:fluffy::fluffy:

Redcoe15
07-28-2012, 07:09 AM
I think we need to really show him support simply because he didn't ask to be traded. It's important to give him a warm welcome.
Good idea.

jimiv
07-28-2012, 07:41 AM
Houston is one of those teams that just cant seem to get a result at BMO field. Having said that, will bruin has been good lately and this new DP Boniek may be a Honduran, but he can play. Id say draw is likely. Because brad davis set pieces being the difference

According to MLS site Bruin may not start due to injury.

Walms
07-28-2012, 09:31 AM
A simple "WE WANT HASS-LI" would catch on quick I think.

Even though it's going to take a lot for me to cheer for this guy in our jersey, I think your completely right!!

He is our target man now and if we can show him love coming into Toronto, he seems like the kind of guy who would repay us by playing 150% every second of every game, and score some great goals for us!

MartinUtd
07-28-2012, 10:33 AM
Hassli gets one chance from me. One chance to put in a solid effort and none of that throwing his arms in the air like a petulant little child. I'll be frank, I don't like him and want Danny healed and in him gone as soon as possible. If he plays like a professional, I'll consider changing that opinion.

__wowza
07-28-2012, 10:48 AM
http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2012/07/TOR%2C-Hassli.jpg

the more photos i see of this guy, the more im convinced we signed a young lars frederiksen

http://skunxtattootokyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/IMG_1011-300x400.jpg

Shakes McQueen
07-28-2012, 11:52 AM
Man, if we signed Tim and Lars, no one would ever mess with us again.

- Scott

gracos
07-28-2012, 03:01 PM
does anyone have a stream for the game??

TFC07
07-28-2012, 03:08 PM
Hassli gets one chance from me. One chance to put in a solid effort and none of that throwing his arms in the air like a petulant little child. I'll be frank, I don't like him and want Danny healed and in him gone as soon as possible. If he plays like a professional, I'll consider changing that opinion.

That's bit harsh. lol

Anyway, TFC should win this game. 2-1 for good guys.

dantdot
07-28-2012, 03:25 PM
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/132616/1/watch-toronto-fc-vs-houston-dynamo.html

iy12l
07-28-2012, 03:33 PM
these Houston commentators think they're gonna kick tfc's ass

Richard
07-28-2012, 03:34 PM
Whats the starting 11?

mowe
07-28-2012, 03:37 PM
#TorontoFC (https://twitter.com/search/%23TorontoFC) XI: Kocic; Henry, Eckersley, Emory, Morgan; Lambe Dunfield, Frings, Silva; Amarikwa, Johnson

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 03:42 PM
Twice they have got behind already...hmmm.

[NBF]
07-28-2012, 03:47 PM
im not impressed with either side right now.

[NBF]
07-28-2012, 03:48 PM
the womens game earlier was a bit more entertaining than this game.

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 03:51 PM
This commentary is beyond painful.

[NBF]
07-28-2012, 03:51 PM
any word on Josh Janierre if he is in the reserves team?

iy12l
07-28-2012, 04:00 PM
our hoofball tactics are not working

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:00 PM
our hoofball tactics are not working

Lol! Someone had to say it here.

DoubleUp
07-28-2012, 04:06 PM
frings looks very average in his fringsness.

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 04:16 PM
This game so far... zzzzzzzz

Nobody really impressing me. Houston has nothing going forward unless they get Garcia the ball and TFC are just really stagnant and predictable.

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 04:17 PM
This commentary is beyond painful.

Try link 3 in the firstrow page...GOL TV.

iy12l
07-28-2012, 04:18 PM
this game is boring

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:22 PM
where were defenders? Dunfield should get blame for that goal.

mowe
07-28-2012, 04:23 PM
Of course they scored. Of course.

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 04:23 PM
this game is boring

There you go...now you've got something to complain about.

Soccerpro
07-28-2012, 04:23 PM
Super Terry Dunfield left his man wide open in his own zip code to head that ball in on the corner.

gracos
07-28-2012, 04:24 PM
Ok, so where are our new defenders?? I think we look very similiar, I don't know if MLSE helped our team out much

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 04:25 PM
No doubt that goal was down to some bad defending by Dunfield, but at the same time when you have so little emphasis on attack what can you expect?

While I'm really glad that Rongen and Dunleavy have a massive hard-on for Amarikwa's 46 inch verticle, it can't exactly take or receive a pass properly or link play. Drop him for Avila and put Silva back in the hole please.

Gazza
07-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Terrible Terry ever the diplomat. Making Houston feel good about themselves by pretending not to mark his man on the goal before putting in a dominant second half and leading us to victory.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:31 PM
Amarikwa sucks! I don't get the hype he gets from TFC. He's not better than Soomlsa or Plata. TFC is downgrading their talent not upgrading even though Rongen said otherwise.

This team needs to stop kicking the ball up field all the time. It isn't working; time to add Avila in the game and either take out Dunfield or Amarikwa.

gracos
07-28-2012, 04:33 PM
I believe Amarikwa frees up a space to sign another international, and that might come before next season

Soccerpro
07-28-2012, 04:33 PM
Amarikwa sucks! I don't get the hype he gets from TFC. He's not better than Soomlsa or Plata. TFC is downgrading their talent not upgrading even though Rongen said otherwise.

This team needs to stop kicking the ball up field all the time. It isn't working; time to add Avila in the game and either take out Dunfield or Amarikwa.

Why do you think Amarikwa was released by the Rapids? Not traded, released.

azorean19
07-28-2012, 04:36 PM
where were defenders? Dunfield should get blame for that goal.

yet Mariner goes on and on about this guy.....he must really see things we can't. How this guy earns a pay cheque for playing professionall football is beyond me.

gracos
07-28-2012, 04:36 PM
I know by no doubt we are substatially better, but PM is getting in players he thinks can make a difference, if DK were not injured, we probably would of signed OM

iy12l
07-28-2012, 04:36 PM
Dunfield will score a brace and we win 2-1.

Soccerpro
07-28-2012, 04:42 PM
TFC getting worked by the Dynamo. Every time a TFC defender gets it, they just boot it out and give up possession.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:43 PM
I believe Amarikwa frees up a space to sign another international, and that might come before next season

I wouldn't hold my breath on an international player signing.


Why do you think Amarikwa was released by the Rapids? Not traded, released.

True, but why is he starting?


yet Mariner goes on and on about this guy.....he must really see things we can't. How this guy earns a pay cheque for playing professionall football is beyond me.

PM sees a lot of things that we don't see. lol

BTW: wow, east side looks so empty and BMO field is so quiet and dead (feels like this game is played at funeral)

Soccerpro
07-28-2012, 04:45 PM
He's starting because TFC built a one man attacking show with no back up plan coming into this season.

iy12l
07-28-2012, 04:46 PM
Silva is better off at striker then wide midfielder.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:47 PM
TFC getting worked by the Dynamo. Every time a TFC defender gets it, they just boot it out and give up possession.

Agreed. This game is so one sided right now. This just shows we need a quality defender to lead our backline. Too bad TFC couldn't find a defender during transfer window

azorean19
07-28-2012, 04:49 PM
what a shit show...nothing has improved with Mariner.......and the stadium is literally half empty. YIKES! ...The one positive Mariner has done is rid us of JDG & Aceval

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 04:50 PM
Bring in the Weedman, move Silva into the hole, take out Amerikwa.

azorean19
07-28-2012, 04:50 PM
Brad davis is a player though, this guy goes goes under the radar BUT he is a very good player. Deadly on set pieces, a setup machine.

iy12l
07-28-2012, 04:53 PM
They have 70% possesion at our home lol

gracos
07-28-2012, 04:53 PM
Possesion Houston 69- 31 Toronto

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:54 PM
Weedman coming on? lol

Batman
07-28-2012, 04:55 PM
does anyone else think Rongen is generally full of BS

azorean19
07-28-2012, 04:56 PM
Possesion Houston 69- 31 Toronto

Don't worry, just part of Mariner's master plan.......we're good.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 04:57 PM
does anyone else think Rongen is generally full of BS

Well he's ML$E employee. What do you except? lol

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:03 PM
Who is the home team? FIGHT u fuckers....I don't blame the players though, they just ain't good enough.

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 05:03 PM
TD love fest is in full effect

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:05 PM
Who is the home team? FIGHT u fuckers....I don't blame the players though, they just ain't good enough.

We got some good pieces while some of pieces shouldn't be starting. We're lacking a good attacking player with flair who can create for others.

v00d00daddy
07-28-2012, 05:06 PM
How can Mariner call the Houston goal a sucker punch?

He's delusional.

He talks like a supporter. Nothing is wrong. Nothing to criticize. It's embarrassing.

He's like the mother of a gang banger that tells the media that her kid is a good boy...despite the fact that everyone knows he's nothing but a thug.

Gazza
07-28-2012, 05:07 PM
This game is in need of a Weedman injection.

gracos
07-28-2012, 05:09 PM
were going to lose once in a while, so if we can lose 1-0 it wont be that bad, and EH, is coming soon, should premeire next week

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 05:11 PM
Somebody really should put together a youtube compilation of the worst MLS ref decisions.....that would be in for sure.

AlanO
07-28-2012, 05:12 PM
MLS reffing hits a new low. Johnson called offside on a Houston back-pass. :facepalm:

Gazza
07-28-2012, 05:12 PM
What can you do but laugh?

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 05:13 PM
This commentary is hilarious

Two minutes ago they are talking about a busy schedule and now they are talking about the layoff. Well which one is it retards?

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 05:16 PM
Henry has an niggle of an injury there....

lobo
07-28-2012, 05:17 PM
lethargic play ... can't believe how many balls we win but our first touch lets us down, and then we're chasing it again

and who the hell is that group of yellow shirts behind the south goal?

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:19 PM
Game over.

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 05:19 PM
Good thing we switched up those two defenders.

gracos
07-28-2012, 05:19 PM
now we completely collapsed

DoubleUp
07-28-2012, 05:19 PM
We got schooled on that sequence.

iy12l
07-28-2012, 05:20 PM
without koevermans now we see the real mariner

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:20 PM
NE get's Bengston, Seattle get's Tiiffert,Houston get's Bosnieck, NY get's Hill, Whitecaps get Miller, Montreal get Nesta......and we get AMARIKA ! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH !

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 05:21 PM
That was well taken...and no, GOL TV, Johnston to Koev is not Davies to Ching.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:22 PM
I hope fans boo the team to send a message to TFC FO and ML$E.

iy12l
07-28-2012, 05:23 PM
Mariner has to get fired, i cant see this team in a playoff spot for a long time under Mariner

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:24 PM
Mariner has to get fired, i cant see this team in a playoff spot for a long time under Mariner

It's up to new owners (Rogers and Bell), but hopefully everyone in TFC FO is fired by end of this season.

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:24 PM
I'm sorry, BUT Mariner fucken sucks, he is as much to blame for this shit show as winter and everyone else that is associated with decision making at TFC . The meaningless results from the past few weeks were just that, MEANINGLESS.

DoubleUp
07-28-2012, 05:25 PM
They are just as athletic and more technical, it wasnt gonna happen.

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 05:26 PM
Mariner has to get fired, i cant see this team in a playoff spot for a long time under Mariner

Unless we go on a long losing streak (and nobody hopes for that) he's here for next season.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:26 PM
Unless we go on a long losing streak (and nobody hopes for that) he's here for next season.

Unless fans demand changes or new owners aren't impress with Mariner and co. (lack of professionalism, ugly soccer etc...).

Gazza
07-28-2012, 05:27 PM
We were due for a stinker.

I still love you Terry!

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:28 PM
Unless we go on a long losing streak (and nobody hopes for that) he's here for next season.

I don't see that happening, even I think TFC is smarter than that...........

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:29 PM
WOW, actually feel sorry for those fans who showed up for that.....

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 05:30 PM
Unless fans demand changes or new owners aren't impress with Mariner and co. (lack of professionalism, ugly soccer etc...).

All comes down to whether the Christmas tree builder pulls the wool over the eyes of the Rogers/Bell directors. If that happens, we have Anselmi for next season. And Anselmi means Mariner.

Oldtimer
07-28-2012, 05:32 PM
I think people can now see what the supposed Mariner " winning streak" really was. - Koevermans on a hot streak. If Hasli, a notoriously streaky player works out, maybe we'll see something in the second half of the season. I'm not holding my breath though.

Wingback6
07-28-2012, 05:35 PM
God, the 'fire Mariner' BS has already begun. The team has been decent of late.

Henry is not as good a RB as Hall, so problem, but injury was the cause. Missing Koeverman's is a big blow, and his replacement isn't yet recovered from injury himself.

TFC was playing short-handed so to speak. And while lack of depth is an issue, I don't understand this fire the coach trolling BS.

The one exception I would note, is that Lambe has been crap. He seems like the sort of player who gets lazy/complacent if you start him too many games in a row. And he doesn't bring nearly as much as Avila, yet Mariner seems to pick either Silva or Avila which is BS because they should probably be out there together, for at least a few stretches.

But since Bermuda soccer seems to be Mariner's pet project, he's giving Lambe starts his performances don't merit. That is the only issue I have with Mariner, and it's been something I've had issue with for weeks.

And Dunfield needs a game off, he's a bit burnt out.

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 05:36 PM
I don't know what to say.

We identify one useful player in the window and play a steep price for him... otherwise we are making rinky-dink moves for guys who shouldn't even be paid to play professional football. What's worse is, we are inserting them into our team immediately and they are regressing our level of play.

Simply terrible today. Tactically inept, offensively un-creative, crap.

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:38 PM
We were due for a stinker.

I still love you Terry!

Me Too !....Mariner as well , Hooray !

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:40 PM
Henry shouldn't be playing as RB to begin with. We already got $390K RB who's playing CB instead. Money well spent, eh? lol

TFC can't make any excuses. That was an awful display of soccer. Lack of offensive creativity and hoofing the ball all the time isn't recipe for success. It just puts more pressure on your backline.

Mariner and co failed to bring in quality players (and cut few good players) while bringing in bunch of brain dead soccer players who happen to be good athletes who can't even control the ball lol

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:45 PM
God, the 'fire Mariner' BS has already begun. The team has been decent of late.

Henry is not as good a RB as Hall, so problem, but injury was the cause. Missing Koeverman's is a big blow, and his replacement isn't yet recovered from injury himself.

TFC was playing short-handed so to speak. And while lack of depth is an issue, I don't understand this fire the coach trolling BS.

The one exception I would note, is that Lambe has been crap. He seems like the sort of player who gets lazy/complacent if you start him too many games in a row. And he doesn't bring nearly as much as Avila, yet Mariner seems to pick either Silva or Avila which is BS because they should probably be out there together, for at least a few stretches.

But since Bermuda soccer seems to be Mariner's pet project, he's giving Lambe starts his performances don't merit. That is the only issue I have with Mariner, and it's been something I've had issue with for weeks.

And Dunfield needs a game off, he's a bit burnt out.

i really think the Bermuda love affair is due to the fact Shalrie joseph was found by Nicol and Mariner in Grenada, a Carribean vacation does'nt hurt as well mind you....

TFC07
07-28-2012, 05:46 PM
Also didn't Mariner sign a player from Bermuda recently?

Davenport
07-28-2012, 05:47 PM
That was dire.

azorean19
07-28-2012, 05:49 PM
That was dire.


haaah....so true, pathetic as well !

v00d00daddy
07-28-2012, 05:51 PM
0-0 was the best case scenario for that one. Wow we looked bad.

Anybody else notice that since Mariners appointment Frings has looked invisible?

Ahh well.

Possession means nothing....right?

SirBobSaget
07-28-2012, 05:53 PM
Also didn't Mariner sign a player from Bermuda recently?

Yes the backup GK

azorean19
07-28-2012, 06:04 PM
Chicago and Colombus on the road up next, Good luck Mr. Mariner...

Colombus signed DP forward from Argentina this past week in Hugain....

Chicago trades for Uruguayan DP from Seattle in Fernandes and adds Dutch DP striker Mcdonald this past week...

What did TFC do again?...Oh , we picked up Amarika and an injured Hassli, We can't even come up with/ scout our own DP's , we have to trade for them , from VANCOUVER no less !!!

Shakes McQueen
07-28-2012, 06:26 PM
I think people can now see what the supposed Mariner " winning streak" really was. - Koevermans on a hot streak.

You don't think it's a little hasty to proclaim this? It's not like Koev was scoring those goals in a complete vacuum.

It was too early to say this team was all fixed and playoff material based on three wins, and it's too early to say the entire winning streak was due to one of our forwards being on a "hot streak", when we lose one. Nevermind that one of those three wins came without Koevermans in the lineup.

It's like the Sharks and Jets in here. When we win a game, the Mariner boosters start snapping their fingers and sing a verse, and when the team loses, the Mariner sceptics reply in kind. It was the same with Winter, and Carver, and Cummins, and...

- Scott

West220Side
07-28-2012, 06:32 PM
Welcome to the circus, Hassli.

ryan
07-28-2012, 06:33 PM
That was ridiculously boring. Was neat listening to 22 footballers talk over a supposed 19,000 person audience. Heard just about every word they said...from the 200 level deck.

denime
07-28-2012, 06:43 PM
All I have to say is: NO COMMENT ! :leaving:

Macksam
07-28-2012, 06:52 PM
Henry is not as good a RB as Hall, so problem, but injury was the cause.


Except for the fact that Henry had a great game and when he got subbed for Hall, the latter was one of the reasons that second goal happened. However, I do agree that RB isn't Henry's best position. However, he is a better option than Hall.

Pookie
07-28-2012, 07:14 PM
I want to offer something positive.

A win or a loss wasn't going to matter anyways so there you go.

As far as analysis goes, it's pretty basic.... Houston isn't a creampuff team. We have had 11 of 12 games in which we were outpossessed. Something like 65-35 in favour of Houston at the time of the goal. We were outshot, again.

Schedule now has some tough competition ahead with the exception of Portland and Montreal. The Danny K correlation is going to be put to the test through the remaining 13 MLS games and CCL. This is where the bubble may or may not burst.

Not sure if anyone checked the new CCL format. We are in a 3 team pool with Santos and Aguila. We have to win that pool to move on.

Good thing we got Hassli now as I'll bet that the Superdraft pick would have been crap in 2014 anyways.

gate7
07-28-2012, 07:20 PM
took my dad to the game today, spent $104 on tix and $40 on beer. ended up with 4 packs of spaghetti.......my dad thinks we should have gone to no frills together instead. :facepalm:

PookyP
07-28-2012, 07:23 PM
That was ridiculously boring. Was neat listening to 22 footballers talk over a supposed 19,000 person audience. Heard just about every word they said...from the 200 level deck.

Usual MLSE performance!
I was at the game and the announced attendance was ~19,300 or 88% full.
Bloody liars, the place was just over half the seats were full, I guess at 13,500.

I hear they count season ticket holders that don't show, but attendance is the number that come through the gate.

Usual MLSE performance!
I was at the game and the announced attendance was ~19,300 or 88% full.
Bloody liars, the place was just over half the seats were full, I guess at 13,500.

I hear they count season ticket holders that don't show, but attendance is the number that come through the gate.

TFC USA
07-28-2012, 07:29 PM
Oops. We still suck. Hope you enjoyed our annual 3 game winning streak before the impending bullshit crash to earth.

stevep
07-28-2012, 07:32 PM
that game today was so boring. who would spend money on this

TFC07
07-28-2012, 07:35 PM
that game today was so boring. who would spend money on this

Lol but but fans will come once we start winning bunch of games.

I guess fans had enough and want better and attacking soccer that we were promised since beginning of last season.

Richard
07-28-2012, 07:37 PM
I find it scary but not supprising we only have 4 pages in a "PRE/IN/POST GAME" thread. I miss the days of having seperate threads for each every game, if this is any indication i think the apathy ship has long sailed away.

Abou Sky
07-28-2012, 07:38 PM
Meh, lackluster but boys generally played well.

Only change I would have made is keep RJ and Silva pairing and have Avila in.

The lack of leadership up top showed, hopefully Hassli will be able to address that.

To those calling for Mariner's head... STFU guys. You actually want to replace this guy? He is amazing, he obviously listens to players and the team loves him.

Was defo a quiet day, hard to get excited about that match though.

TFC07
07-28-2012, 07:45 PM
Meh, lackluster but boys generally played well.

Only change I would have made is keep RJ and Silva pairing and have Avila in.

The lack of leadership up top showed, hopefully Hassli will be able to address that.

To those calling for Mariner's head... STFU guys. You actually want to replace this guy? He is amazing, he obviously listens to players and the team loves him.

Was defo a quiet day, hard to get excited about that match though.

End of the season, ML$E is going to listen to customers (aka fans especially season ticket holders). If enough fans make noise and speak with their wallets, then I can see ML$E getting rid of Mariner and co. to save themselves especially from their new owners.

Richard
07-28-2012, 07:53 PM
End of the season, ML$E is going to listen to customers (aka fans especially season ticket holders). If enough fans make noise and speak with their wallets, then I can see ML$E getting rid of Mariner and co. to save themselves especially from their new owners.

How about we oneup that and ask Bell/Rogers for a complete overhaul of MLSE and executives.

khso11
07-28-2012, 08:00 PM
I guess out of the "19000" fans there, 10000 were probably free tickets, I sat at 224 today and mostly everyone there is casual people that doesn't even know how soccer works, and doesn't know any chants. I can see that all of 224,225,226 is mostly given out as free tickets.

Anyway, I think Mariner subbing out Henry and Emory was ridiculous, where was Avila and Stinson, why would you put in 2 defenders while losing 1-0. Mariner said the first goal from Houston was the dagger but actually the second was due to stupid substitution from Mariner.

Where was Hassli, I thought he was ready to start for todays game?

I don't care if it's ugly 1950 hoofball or technical total football, as long as we win i dont give a shit, but todays outting was absolutly boring

Abou Sky
07-28-2012, 08:02 PM
End of the season, ML$E is going to listen to customers (aka fans especially season ticket holders). If enough fans make noise and speak with their wallets, then I can see ML$E getting rid of Mariner and co. to save themselves especially from their new owners.

But why would you want Mariner gone? I don't get it, he is getting results, he is a good coach, if he is able to continue to build in the offseason I think we can do VERY well with him at the helm.

JoesphNdo
07-28-2012, 08:18 PM
That was my first ever tfc game...I must be the only person who enjoyed myself then!? Wasn't the best game but it was fantastic to get back to watching live soccer again. I felt, in my noobish opinion, it was obvious TFC was missing it's main striker, they seemed to lack any real ideas in the final third that a good forward would bring, is the new signing up to Koevermans level? Also is he the third 'DP' and if not will they be signing one?

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-28-2012, 08:24 PM
^ Are you Irish or actually Joseph N'Do? Just seems like an odd name to pull out of the air otherwise.

TFC_905
07-28-2012, 08:25 PM
I have to side with the guys that believe Danny K has made Mariner look good. I don't think he's a good coach at all. Those 2 subs he made at the end of the game were stupid. This game was by far the most boring game I've witnessed at BMO field. Even the few games we won under Mariner, it was not attractive or fun to watch... This old school UK long ball game may be the reason I will not renew my seasons next year... I don't think I can hack it. Evolve with the game Pauly.

If I had it my way, I would have had Winter stayed on as Director of Football and had BDK as coach. Hopefully one day BDK or Rongen takes over...

RedsYNWA
07-28-2012, 08:33 PM
Missed the go train took a cab---50$
2 Big beers----------------------28$
Train back home-----------------9$
Cab ride back-------------------16$
1 Pizza Slice--------------------6$
1 TFC TICKET--------------------41$

150$ to see a shit show------renew my SS NO WAY

Thomas
07-28-2012, 09:00 PM
A disappointing result no doubt, but PM has had a pretty decent string of recent results. It's too easy to keep calling to fire the coach. We were clearly lacking up front. Silva was non existent in the position he played. I thought that Eks played pretty good most of the time. I didn't have a good feeling about this game from the beginning, and unfortunately things didn't go our way. Time for CCL now.

khso11
07-28-2012, 09:01 PM
I don't get it, when Winter loses 9 games in a row, everyone is like fire him ASAP, now we fired him, we introduce the old school hoofball + we are getting decent results, everyones like fire Mariner. I don't know if changing coach every season will help the team, it didn't seem like it worked in the past six years. At the end of the day we are part of a bush league, I actually don't expect more than old school hoofball, honestly I think ppl here is just piss off because of the value of our ticket compare to the performance they give out. I think we shouldn't say fire Mariner but rather say fire the FO!!!

JoesphNdo
07-28-2012, 09:03 PM
^ Are you Irish or actually Joseph N'Do? Just seems like an odd name to pull out of the air otherwise.

Ha, no, I'm Irish and merely a big fan of the legend himself. Are you Irish yourself?

UltraSuperMegaMo
07-28-2012, 09:11 PM
Ha, no, I'm Irish and merely a big fan of the legend himself. Are you Irish yourself?

No. I've seen Joseph N'Do play a few time for the Bohs. I glad to hear you enjoyed the game. Is N'Do still playing? He must be getting up there (in professional football terms.)

Whoop
07-28-2012, 09:15 PM
- Post coach bump
- TFC was bound to win some matches with or without Winter
- teams they beat were also struggling

Ajax TFC
07-28-2012, 09:31 PM
It's too easy to keep calling to fire the coach.
it's no easier than it is for MLSE to hire the first guy who walks in the door after they fire the previous coach and give him the keys to do whatever the fuck

ag futbol
07-28-2012, 09:32 PM
For those people wondering why some of us are such cynical bastards, let’s just say it’s a bit like ground hog day. We’ve seen coaches replaced before, the glimmer of hope that usually lasts a decent number of results, and then the subsequent drop off that ends in oblivion.

While there’s always SOME way to be negative about just about any coach, most of the candidates we’ve brought in have had nagging issues coming in and those traits eventually repeated themselves over the long run. Mo Johnston didn’t exactly have a glowing track record coming in… that certainly continued onward. Preki was such an asshole that it was rumored the Chivas players threw a party when he was let go… he wasted no time making friends here. Aron Winter was every other MLS foreign coach flameout in history… yep.

And Paul Mariner? well it’s no secret that some people think he’s too old school to get the job done. He’s a carbon copy of more than a few managers who have been released by their MLS clubs in the past couple years… including his former boss.

While there’s certainly a way to spin some positive in what’s happened over the past while, I think more than a few of us have been conditioned to be skeptical until proven otherwise. Given what we’ve gone through I don’t think MLSE should be giving us any more managers that have questions marks next to their name. We should be pulling out all the stops to bring in people we can all be confident in… but that hasn’t happened.

Gazza
07-28-2012, 09:48 PM
There sure are a lot of new accounts being created lately. Is it the greatness of Terry Dunfield bringing in new support to this site or something else?

Pookie
07-28-2012, 10:00 PM
If Mariner and various media scribes say Toronto FC = Liverpool FC

and Houston Dynamo > Toronto FC

is Houston Dynamo > Liverpool FC?

And by the same logic

If Chelsea = FA Cup and UEFA Champions

And MLS All Stars > Chelsea

Is MLS > the FA and UEFA ?

Stryker
07-28-2012, 10:14 PM
I can understand the criticisim for the second half but I thought they played great the first half but for Dunfields gaff that gave them the goal. Dont understand the calls to sub Weiderman ethier. The guy offers nothing.

Whoop
07-28-2012, 10:16 PM
"one of the best strikers around" - Mariner, Paul

Max_TO
07-28-2012, 10:18 PM
I don't know folks , but to me it looks like TFC lacks in mid to forward play creation . TFC seems to play more reaction and strict zone position and hopes an opportunity to grind forward .

Would be nice to see some team plays that rely on anticipation and knowing of one another to create mid to forward drives on net .

Pookie
07-28-2012, 10:23 PM
Why wouldn't we want Weiderman ?

"He’s one of the best finishers I’ve seen in the modern era and I’m looking for him to really take the bull by the horns and take this opportunity.” - Paul Mariner, July 13th

SoccMan
07-28-2012, 10:28 PM
What a shit show of a game but why should I expect anything better from this sad organization. I have endured almost six season of garbage as a season ticket holder and this will be my last season as a season ticket holder. I can not take anymore from this very sad organization. I can't see why anyone in their right mind would want to renew for next season. From the people I know who have season tickets not one of them is renewing and these are all die hard soccer fans. The stadium is looking emptier and emptier as the season goes on , can just imagine how worse it will look next season, I guess that's what 6 seasons of crap will do to the fan base. It really is sad to see something that was once the talk of the town go down so quickly what a pity!

Macksam
07-28-2012, 10:32 PM
Why wouldn't we want Weiderman ?

"He’s one of the best finishers I’ve seen in the modern era and I’m looking for him to really take the bull by the horns and take this opportunity.” - Paul Mariner, July 13th

He's probably talking in terms of MLS...I would imagine.

Richard
07-28-2012, 10:37 PM
He's probably talking in terms of MLS...I would imagine.

You joking?

OgtheDim
07-28-2012, 10:44 PM
But why would you want Mariner gone? I don't get it, he is getting results, he is a good coach, if he is able to continue to build in the offseason I think we can do VERY well with him at the helm.

Two things

a) Any decent GM/President is going to want their own man in their. Like it or not, Mariner is now an Anselmi man.

b) There is significant doubt in his ability/willingness to attract the talent necessary for TFC to move forward.

DaBandit
07-28-2012, 10:58 PM
I was shocked not to see Avilla in the starting 11, and seeing amirikwa(?).. Would Avilla be considered a Winter guy? If so, the only reason I see him sitting is because we plan on moving him out. I read on a board that trades are still permitted, so maybe a CB?

Wonder how much Avilla thinks of PM being a player coach?

Couchy81
07-28-2012, 11:05 PM
He's probably talking in terms of MLS...I would imagine.

He's probably talking in terms of pints

Blizzard
07-29-2012, 12:16 AM
I can understand the criticisim for the second half but I thought they played great the first half but for Dunfields gaff that gave them the goal. Dont understand the calls to sub Weiderman ethier. The guy offers nothing.

Torsten was guarding our right post. Who was guarding the left post? Nobody. Put somebody on that bloody post and there is no goal Dunfield gaff or not.

C'mon Mariner. Guard the damned posts!!!

maxpower
07-29-2012, 12:32 AM
okay people seriously, I get we had a bad game, But we are much better than we were 11 games ago. I mean fuck, every team has off days. I watched the Whitecaps game last night and they were seriously abysmal too,with a MUCH better squad I might add, and they it in a playoff spot.


We could be much worse off.

Torontotonto
07-29-2012, 01:05 AM
Missed the go train took a cab---50$
2 Big beers----------------------28$
Train back home-----------------9$
Cab ride back-------------------16$
1 Pizza Slice--------------------6$
1 TFC TICKET--------------------41$

150$ to see a shit show------renew my SS NO WAY

That about sum's it up for me.

:facepalm:

TheEdge
07-29-2012, 01:41 AM
That about sum's it up for me.

:facepalm:
The only decent football I have seen this year at BMO is the CMNT. This hoofball is infuriating.

aptone
07-29-2012, 02:56 AM
The substitutions weren’t ones that could bring us back in the game. I was wondering why we weren’t making positive changes, but then I just looked at the bench. Nothing much in any of our subs that would really guarantee some offense. Avila might have upgraded something in a tired midfield, but mariner made two defensive subs. Not too helpful. emory and Maund, taking turns at the same position, were responsible for each of the goals. Different game if we’d had a solid CB who could occupy that spot for 90 mins.

Why didn’t Avila come in, and why didn’t we make that change with 20 or even 10 minutes left. Got emory out of there with our first sub, but bring on someone who can move the ball forward. Let’s call him ‘Soolsma’. Don’t know where I get these ideas… Great… we finally got emory to take a break… keep in mind, emory’s not on my starting eleven, and he wouldn’t have a spot on my bench. I wouldn’t even capitalize his name or use periods when emory's name is mentioned in a sentence

Amerikwa was pretty great for the first 30 seconds of the game. Sweet almost-incredible goal. Although less great, and pretty much invisible after that, that was a good start.

RJ wasn’t making anything happen. This is fairly typical.

Ecks was great. I’ll call him the ginger jesus

117
07-29-2012, 07:09 AM
okay people seriously, I get we had a bad game, But we are much better than we were 11 games ago. I mean fuck, every team has off days. I watched the Whitecaps game last night and they were seriously abysmal too,with a MUCH better squad I might add, and they it in a playoff spot.


We could be much worse off.

Not meaning to be a prick, but this actually made me laugh.

So what you're saying is "Things could be much worse off. We could have a MUCH better squad who's currently in a playoff spot"?

I believe F.O. could use you for their seasons ticket renewals campaign. :)

JonO
07-29-2012, 07:15 AM
But we are much better than we were 11 games ago. I mean fuck, every team has off days.
i disagree. Although we have been getting results, i think we are much worse than 11 games ago. The problem is that this is what we are now stuck with. Other than the second half vs colorado (a team on a pretty bad slide) we have not looked good. 442 or 433, i don't care, but unless we make some attempt to play possession football, it will be ugly like yesterday.

Shakes McQueen
07-29-2012, 07:50 AM
Not meaning to be a prick, but this actually made me laugh.

So what you're saying is "Things could be much worse off. We could have a MUCH better squad who's currently in a playoff spot"?

I believe F.O. could use you for their seasons ticket renewals campaign. :)

That isn't what he said in the slightest. He pointed to a team that is currently in the playoff race, who also played poorly last night, to reinforce his statement that every team has off days - even the good ones.

- Scott

Pookie
07-29-2012, 08:20 AM
That isn't what he said in the slightest. He pointed to a team that is currently in the playoff race, who also played poorly last night, to reinforce his statement that every team has off days - even the good ones.

- Scott

What playoff race?

Just because there is a race involving other teams doesn't mean that we are in it.

12 points back of a spot when Mariner took over with 4 teams to jump over. Now, 13 points back of a spot with 4 teams to jump over. Not exactly a photo-finish is it?

Shakes McQueen
07-29-2012, 08:23 AM
What playoff race?

Just because there is a race involving other teams doesn't mean that we are in it.

12 points back of a spot when Mariner took over with 4 teams to jump over. Now, 13 points back of a spot with 4 teams to jump over. Not exactly a photo-finish is it?

What? I'm talking about Vancouver. Vancouver are in the playoff race. The original post by maxpower referenced the Whitecaps.

- Scott

Pookie
07-29-2012, 08:29 AM
^ ah, ok. mis-read that sorry.

Abou Sky
07-29-2012, 09:01 AM
The substitutions weren’t ones that could bring us back in the game. I was wondering why we weren’t making positive changes, but then I just looked at the bench. Nothing much in any of our subs that would really guarantee some offense. Avila might have upgraded something in a tired midfield, but mariner made two defensive subs. Not too helpful. emory and Maund, taking turns at the same position, were responsible for each of the goals. Different game if we’d had a solid CB who could occupy that spot for 90 mins.

Why didn’t Avila come in, and why didn’t we make that change with 20 or even 10 minutes left. Got emory out of there with our first sub, but bring on someone who can move the ball forward. Let’s call him ‘Soolsma’. Don’t know where I get these ideas… Great… we finally got emory to take a break… keep in mind, emory’s not on my starting eleven, and he wouldn’t have a spot on my bench. I wouldn’t even capitalize his name or use periods when emory's name is mentioned in a sentence

Amerikwa was pretty great for the first 30 seconds of the game. Sweet almost-incredible goal. Although less great, and pretty much invisible after that, that was a good start.

RJ wasn’t making anything happen. This is fairly typical.

Ecks was great. I’ll call him the ginger jesus

Hall was the man to bring on to even up the game. We weren't going to win, and a 2-0 loss is the same as a 1-0 loss (ok, GD but whatever)

Mariner saw that he MAY be able to tie, so he tried, he took a calculated risk that did not work.

I try to be diplomatic but some of you have the attention span of gnats...

v00d00daddy
07-29-2012, 09:06 AM
Hall was the man to bring on to even up the game. We weren't going to win, and a 2-0 loss is the same as a 1-0 loss (ok, GD but whatever)

Mariner saw that he MAY be able to tie, so he tried, he took a calculated risk that did not work.

I try to be diplomatic but some of you have the attention span of gnats...

You probably shouldn't be accusing people of being gnats.

You said TFC played generally well. Hahahaha.

You may have paid attention very well but it's clear you have no idea what you're watching. Lol

Shakes McQueen
07-29-2012, 09:07 AM
Please stop lobbing bombs, gents.

- Scott

rowjimi
07-29-2012, 09:18 AM
Went to the game and brought 5 buddies. Great time before and after. Completely disappointed in that performance. It reminded me of youth soccer and who could boot it the furthest and parents would be proud of how far their kid could kick. I cannot remember one hoof that we got under or challenged after Houston had the first touch. Needless to say not sure I will talk them into spending money on tickets to go again this year. Sorry for ranting. I know it was one game and I will continue to support the team but I have to feel they are better than two steps and boot.

Chris Wren
07-29-2012, 09:20 AM
Can whoever is responsible for such things please remove the tone deaf drummer from 112?

117
07-29-2012, 09:31 AM
That isn't what he said in the slightest. He pointed to a team that is currently in the playoff race, who also played poorly last night, to reinforce his statement that every team has off days - even the good ones.

- Scott

Maybe I wasn't clear. I know exactly what he said.

He didn't say that every team has off days, even good ones.

He said that we could be "much worse off", because Vancouver has a MUCH better team, and is sitting in a playoff spot, and yet had a miserable loss.

I understand what he meant. That the loss for Vancouver must have gutted the supporters. Because they should have done better. They're fighting for something.

But take a quick poll and see how many TFC supporters would like to be in that situation.

I would LOVE to be in that position. Playing with a MUCH more talented team, battling in a playoff position, and yes, sometimes losing.

You don't think the Jays collapse in 1985 or 1987 hurt? Or the Leafs in '93? Of course it did. But at least they were in the battle. That pain is a lot better knowing you were close, than the past 20 years (for Jays) or 6 years (for TFC).

I understand his sentiment. But to say "at least we're not Vancouver fans. They're dropping valuable points. It could be a lot worse" is an asinine point to make.

Consider me first in line for that kind of "worse".

Abou Sky
07-29-2012, 09:33 AM
You probably shouldn't be accusing people of being gnats.

You said TFC played generally well. Hahahaha.

You may have paid attention very well but it's clear you have no idea what you're watching. Lol

Never said anyone was a gnat, simply the attention span :-D

Amerikawa was shite, RJ was poor, other than one (bad) mistake Dunfield played well, as did others.

Henry could have been more aggressive on set pieces but again, they played well.

Shakes: I don't think anyone took that personally, and I didn't take voodoo's comments personally, I can't see this heating up, I just get frustrated that every time something goes wrong people are calling for heads to roll.

Shakes McQueen
07-29-2012, 09:38 AM
No, that isn't what he said. He specifically says earlier in his post that we are "much better now", and his "we could be much worse off" is clearly a reference to the fact that we could have been in an even deeper hole right now, rather than coming off a crappy loss following three wins in a row.

It stands to reason that the above meaning is far more likely and obvious, than the idiotic stance of "well at least our lost points don't mean anything!" - come on.

We've got enough material to haggle over on a weekly basis, already. We don't need to make more up.

- Scott

Shakes McQueen
07-29-2012, 09:39 AM
Shakes: I don't think anyone took that personally, and I didn't take voodoo's comments personally, I can't see this heating up, I just get frustrated that every time something goes wrong people are calling for heads to roll.

Glad to hear it, but my time on the internet has taught me you can never assume people won't take mild slights personally. :D

- Scott

Super
07-29-2012, 10:38 AM
Brought a couple of guys to the game who had previously given up on TFC. I promised a much better performance. Needless to say they were not impressed, and now it will be even harder to win them back. They love football, just not the kind that TFC puts on display. I'll renew my season tickets, but I would be beyond shocked if it's another sell-out. In fact, I think they will struggle to sell even 10,000 season tickets. Still a very respectable number compared to other clubs of course, but very poor compared to the potential in this city.

We desperately need a strong, skilled, experienced CB. Makes me fume at TFC for not bringing in that guy, but also at the league for blocking our chances at getting Mellberg. It is as though the universe just doesn't want us to ever get better.

Whoop
07-29-2012, 10:45 AM
Again as I mentioned in another thread.

TFC - 289 passes completed, 69% accuracy

Houston - 469 passes completed, 81% accuracy

Yes, yes, stats don't tell the whole picture but I think this one is indicative of yesterday's match.

Just look at the chalkboard. It's all there.

jloome
07-29-2012, 11:06 AM
Again as I mentioned in another thread.

TFC - 289 passes completed, 69% accuracy

Houston - 469 passes completed, 81% accuracy

Yes, yes, stats don't tell the whole picture but I think this one is indicative of yesterday's match.

Just look at the chalkboard. It's all there.

We're a strictly counterattacking team right now. That's what the numbers always look like for a counterattacking team.

Sometimes it'll work, but Kinnear was prepared for it yesterday, by building from slightly deeper, and being patient in their attack. As soon as our backline crept up a little, it gave them some space down the wings to operate.

It was tactically smart, and they're a team that's had pieces together for years. We needed a different plan yesterday.

Also noticed Mariner was hoarse after the game from yelling. There's enthusiasm, and then there's too much.

Fort York Redcoat
07-29-2012, 11:29 AM
Can whoever is responsible for such things please remove the tone deaf drummer from 112?


No. I would rather let him have a better day next time.




Were you volunteering to try drumming yourself or just voicing how much you disagree with the way we support atmo-wise, Again?

JoesphNdo
07-29-2012, 01:49 PM
No. I've seen Joseph N'Do play a few time for the Bohs. I glad to hear you enjoyed the game. Is N'Do still playing? He must be getting up there (in professional football terms.)

Not only is he still playing but his current team (Sligo) are looking on course to win the league but yeah he's long past his best by now, still a hero though :drum:

Quick question about last night by the way, is Bohemian Rhapsody a standard TFC chant!? If so, any particular reason, or just because it's a cracking song? That's plenty reason enough incidentally...

Soccerpro
07-29-2012, 02:33 PM
People seem to think if we had a good CB we should have won against Houston. Can a good CB score goals? Keep possession for the whole team? Mark every opposition player on corner kicks? Gimme a break

An MLS team that starts Quincy A, Terry Dunfield, Reggie Lambe, Logan Emery, a 390k right back in a CB position and a 19 year old CB in a RB position are going to lose most of their games. Danny K was just saving the team when he played.

Macksam
07-29-2012, 02:56 PM
You joking?

You think he's talking about the world?

Chris Wren
07-29-2012, 03:44 PM
No. I would rather let him have a better day next time.




Were you volunteering to try drumming yourself or just voicing how much you disagree with the way we support atmo-wise, Again?


Yeah, I'm sure if I walked down there and volunteered it would be easy to just take over. We all know how respected TFC fans are who aren't paid RPB members are.

How many bad days does this drum need to have? I know it was a different guy this week, and he was horrible. If you can't admit that....I just don't know what to say anymore. It was awful. No drum is better than that garbage. If you can't do it close to anything sounding good, then don't do it at all. Is it just something that is done so that people can feel good and talk about the contribution they have made? Should he be patted on the head for trying?

I am voicing my displeasure because it's annoying. Maybe you don't realize that people all around can hear it, and it effects the intensity with which people want to join chants. If they are being thrown off by a bad beat they don't feel like competing against it and don't join in. It's counterproductive.

On a side note, good job with once again chanting against U Sector. It happened multiple times. This is year 6 now and this crap is still happening. They were also far more vocal and supportive than 112, which looked like a dead zone accept for the 8 or so who crowd around the drum entertaining themselves.

Super
07-29-2012, 03:48 PM
People seem to think if we had a good CB we should have won against Houston. Can a good CB score goals? Keep possession for the whole team? Mark every opposition player on corner kicks? Gimme a break

An MLS team that starts Quincy A, Terry Dunfield, Reggie Lambe, Logan Emery, a 390k right back in a CB position and a 19 year old CB in a RB position are going to lose most of their games. Danny K was just saving the team when he played.

One would hope that a highly skilled and very experienced CB would add a LOT to our defense - and couple that with the introduction of Hassli to our offense and all of a sudden you may have a different game. We'll still lose games with an improved line-up, just not likely as many. And besides, everyone knows that we need an experienced CB to run our D - and yet nothing has been done yet (successfully). It's a real shame.

tiberius
07-29-2012, 07:50 PM
Can whoever is responsible for such things please remove the tone deaf drummer from 112?

:drum::drum:

Ah Chris - you sound like you have had a bad week. Your post here did make me laugh however - thank you!

A tone deaf drummer annoyed you? HaHaHaHa! Christ that is funny!!!g:D Who gives a rat's ass if he is tone deaf???? You may want him to keep a beat, or perhaps have rhythm, but who cares if he is tone deaf?? :facepalm:

Also, if you remove him from 112, where do you want to put him? 113? :hump:

I suppose one solution would be for me to phone up a few Tribal Rythm Nation guys and have them stand right beside you. I'm sure they could ensure you didn't hear RPB's Keith Moon:drum::drum::drum::(:drum::drum::drum:

Lets face it percussionists are a persecuted breed - they just don't get no respect. Give the guy kudos for trying to give it a go! Whining in public about RPB's Keith Moon is really is not on, even if you do find it annoying.

http://drumfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bassman.jpg

Chris Wren
07-29-2012, 08:11 PM
:drum::drum:

Ah Chris - you sound like you have had a bad week. Your post here did make me laugh however - thank you!

A tone deaf drummer annoyed you? HaHaHaHa! Christ that is funny!!!g:D Who gives a rat's ass if he is tone deaf???? You may want him to keep a beat, or perhaps have rhythm, but who cares if he is tone deaf?? :facepalm:

Also, if you remove him from 112, where do you want to put him? 113? :hump:

I suppose one solution would be for me to phone up a few Tribal Rythm Nation guys and have them stand right beside you. I'm sure they could ensure you didn't hear RPB's Keith Moon:drum::drum::drum::(:drum::drum::drum:

Lets face it percussionists are a persecuted breed - they just don't get no respect. Give the guy kudos for trying to give it a go! Whining in public about RPB's Keith Moon is really is not on, even if you do find it annoying.

http://drumfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bassman.jpg


Yeah, give him a cookie for the effort.

What does TRN have to do with anything? They're annoying, and so is the guy in 112. He pretty much drums like them, all over the place...sort of like he's got his own tune playing in his head.

Once again, the RPB can do no wrong.

This my last post. Please close this account.

tiberius
07-29-2012, 08:19 PM
Yeah, give him a cookie for the effort.

What does TRN have to do with anything? They're annoying, and so is the guy in 112. He pretty much drums like them, all over the place...sort of like he's got his own tune playing in his head.

Once again, the RPB can do no wrong.

If you can't stand tone deaf drummers, go sit in the prawn seats. Last I checked, flags, drums, two sticks and farting were all allowed at the south end - its like you are complaining that grass is green...

maxpower
07-29-2012, 08:21 PM
Not meaning to be a prick, but this actually made me laugh.

So what you're saying is "Things could be much worse off. We could have a MUCH better squad who's currently in a playoff spot"?

I believe F.O. could use you for their seasons ticket renewals campaign. :)

We could still have winter as our coach and lose close to every game, or every game.

jazzy
07-29-2012, 10:21 PM
People seem to think if we had a good CB we should have won against Houston. Can a good CB score goals? Keep possession for the whole team? Mark every opposition player on corner kicks? Gimme a break

An MLS team that starts Quincy A, Terry Dunfield, Reggie Lambe, Logan Emery, a 390k right back in a CB position and a 19 year old CB in a RB position are going to lose most of their games. Danny K was just saving the team when he played.\

basically.....that's all there is to say.........no matter how we colour it!.....oh and it wasn't any fun, the boys really seemed lost without a leader,..and it can't be the coach......DK,...earned it,...thats done

Fort York Redcoat
07-29-2012, 10:28 PM
Yeah, I'm sure if I walked down there and volunteered it would be easy to just take over. We all know how respected TFC fans are who aren't paid RPB members are.

How many bad days does this drum need to have? I know it was a different guy this week, and he was horrible. If you can't admit that....I just don't know what to say anymore. It was awful. No drum is better than that garbage. If you can't do it close to anything sounding good, then don't do it at all. Is it just something that is done so that people can feel good and talk about the contribution they have made? Should he be patted on the head for trying?

I am voicing my displeasure because it's annoying. Maybe you don't realize that people all around can hear it, and it effects the intensity with which people want to join chants. If they are being thrown off by a bad beat they don't feel like competing against it and don't join in. It's counterproductive.

On a side note, good job with once again chanting against U Sector. It happened multiple times. This is year 6 now and this crap is still happening. They were also far more vocal and supportive than 112, which looked like a dead zone accept for the 8 or so who crowd around the drum entertaining themselves.

This is your contribution. Got it.

T-boy
07-30-2012, 09:19 AM
I know you've ALL been waiting with baited breathe for my justification to this game, and to back up Mariner! So here goes....haha!

That game was utter crap! End of story!

Ok, I'll say more.

1. I thought it was a massive error by Mariner to tinker with the team this week, especially putting Silva out on the right. BIG mistake. Silva is the one player who can thread a ball between players, as proven in the Colorado game. Putting him out on the wing just took Silva out of the game completely, and he couldn't dictate the play at all. He might as well not have been playing. He's wasted in a wide area. I'd say we equally missed Avila's energy this week. Mariner should have changed the team much quicker than he did - put Avila out on the wing, take off Amariwank, and put Silva in the middle at half time at the latest. I may have even done that in the first half, it was so obvious that Silva was ineffective in his position, and Amariwank wasn't giving anywhere near as much to the game as Avila has been lately.

2. I love Ecks - but his distribution was utterly awful on Saturday! If anybody wants to call the game hoofball, you might as well call is Eckersleyball! The kid has a wonderful tackle on him, and he saved TFC multiple times - only to get the ball and look up, and sky the ball either out of play, or to Tally Hall! Emory, on the other hand, although you could argue he was playing long ball - was LOOKING UP and playing a ball to a TFC player. His ball may not have always reached its target, but at least he was aiming. Eckersley, on the other hand, was hitting the ball to the invisible man, or the touchline, or Hall! That's where TFC's game broke upart on mutliple occassions in this game.

3. Man, MLS is horrible football. Those who still argue that MLS is lower Premiership level still, need to get their eyes tested! I hardly ever watch a full MLS game, if TFC aren't involved in it. I've tried to watch a few Whitecaps and Impact games this season, and some other games when they happen to be on our TV, but usually I get bored of the midfield melee that goes on every game. And this game was typical of that. I can live with it when TFC win as there is at least something to celebrate. But, this game was all midfield third, hardly any attacks. Both teams held down the midfield and meant that the majority of "chances" were long shots, at best. The goal lines might as well have been brought into the centre circle and we could watch the ball bob around 10 yards from the centre line. Neither team had any imagination of how to move the ball or spread the play quickly. That wasn't jsut down to TFC, that was equally Houston too. For a neutral football supporter, that must have been the worst entertainment imaginable! That wasn't due to 4-3-3, 4-4-2, hoofball, or anything other than a vast lack of quality ALL over the field from both sides.

starter
07-30-2012, 09:45 AM
Well, I think Huston played an excellent away game, with 60% quality ball control. TFC got rid of natural quality wide players, to secure the new regime position IMO, and brought in new guys most of us here have no emotional attachment to. And they supposed to provide a spark? Hmm...

ManUtd4ever
07-30-2012, 10:00 AM
I was in cottage country so I couldn't watch the game. It sounds like we played a stinker. It happens.

The real test will be how this team responds in their next outing.

SoccMan
07-30-2012, 10:01 AM
They let Soolsma go and Plata two players that had the potential to make things happen on the field, two players that were exciting to watch, Avilla another player with loads of talent and skill sits on the bench the entire Houston game even when they were down and needed some offensive spark, instead the changes that were made in the Houston game were defensive ones ,insanity. Moreover, for the people who love to be critical of the level of play in the MLS yes it's not comparable to the big leagues in Europe, however, it's not as bad as people on here like to make it out to be, don't compare the garbage that TFC puts out there year in and year out, the level of play is much better than what a TFC game looks like, there is a reason that after almost 6 seasons this team is still garbage, simply because they are not in the same league as most teams in this league, their record is proof just look at the standings this year and the previous 5 seasons!

starter
07-30-2012, 10:10 AM
They let Soolsma go and Plata two players that had the potential to make things happen on the field, two players that were exciting to watch, Avilla another player with loads of talent and skill sits on the bench the entire Houston game even when they were down and needed some offensive spark, instead the changes that were made in the Houston game were defensive ones ,insanity. Moreover, for the people who love to be critical of the level of play in the MLS yes it's not comparable to the big leagues in Europe, however, it's not as bad as people on here like to make it out to be, don't compare the garbage that TFC puts out there year in and year out, the level of play is much better than what a TFC game looks like, there is a reason that after almost 6 seasons this team is still garbage, simply because they are not in the same league as most teams in this league, their record is proof just look at the standings this year and the previous 5 seasons!
By dismantling the team we have built over the last 18 months and degrading to the comfort level of Terri Dunfield, we are not building a competitor. Winters team had most of the ingredients to be successful, but what we see is a another rebuild, but this is an unnecessary one.

T-boy
07-30-2012, 11:15 AM
I don't buy into the "plata and soolsma" would have made a difference thing. They didn't make a difference earlier in the season, so why are we all suggesting that those two players would make any difference in this game? Both are flair players, for sure, but those two along would not have won this game. Plata earlier this season was clearly half the player of last season, even under Winter. The vast majority of the team is still the same as it was under Winter, Mariner hasn't done the wholesale changes that some of you are suggesting. Plata leaving (who wasn't playing every game under Winter) and Soolsma (who was injured earlier in the season) hasn't made that much of a difference, as far as I can see?

Pookie
07-30-2012, 11:30 AM
I don't buy into the "plata and soolsma" would have made a difference thing. They didn't make a difference earlier in the season... and Soolsma (who was injured earlier in the season)...

Hard to make a difference if you are injured isn't it? ;)

Soolsma has 2 offers from the Dutch Premier League at present (Excelsior and SC Cambuur). I'm sure he could have made some contribution to the last place team in Major League Soccer

starter
07-30-2012, 11:31 AM
Along with demanding but promising system, we quietly throwing away the pieces of it, making sure there is no return. Plata/Soolsma were integral parts of it, competing for playing time. New guys have almost no competition in this DM-loaded formation, they do not have any chemistry with the rest of the team, and they did not seem to be in demand anywhere either. It is better not to get too emotionally attached to them, since they likely will not last here anyway. It is really sad.

Section 117
07-30-2012, 11:36 AM
I don't buy into the "plata and soolsma" would have made a difference thing. They didn't make a difference earlier in the season, so why are we all suggesting that those two players would make any difference in this game? Both are flair players, for sure, but those two along would not have won this game. Plata earlier this season was clearly half the player of last season, even under Winter. The vast majority of the team is still the same as it was under Winter, Mariner hasn't done the wholesale changes that some of you are suggesting. Plata leaving (who wasn't playing every game under Winter) and Soolsma (who was injured earlier in the season) hasn't made that much of a difference, as far as I can see?

The difference between pre Mariner and post Mariner was Kovermans scoring which masked the utter shit football we have been playing under him. By removing two of your more "flair" players you limit the options for a subsitute to have an poistive impact on the game. Why cut players when there are no replacements? Why not keep them until you find the right players or is he is just so bloody ignorant to anyone with skill that they get cut/loaned out/trade etc.

But when you have a great FO like ours you just dump players and get MLS rejects. One who was touted by our great leader as "one of the modern games greatest finishers" and Americka fuck yeah!!! I would like to know how Mariner gets a pass for the utter shit players he has brought to this club? I really don't feel like listing them all of them but wtf. He is on par with Mo for the lack of quality signings he has made for this team.

So really at the end of day we will see more games like this one against Houston then the one against Colorado. The MLS is significantly better then it was when we entered the league 6 years ago, the problem is we are regressing tactially. Mariner should not have been hired and if he was the only option then he should have kept the formation as hoofball died in the eighties for the most part unless you are Roy Hodgson and the English National team.

BTW did anyone see how well Nesta played against New York? But why would need a CB like that?????

v00d00daddy
07-30-2012, 11:38 AM
It's not nearly as much about players as it is about style of play.

When a team is satisfied with giving their opponent 2/3 of the game on the ball you're gonna end up getting your ass handed to you when you face a decent team.

Houston was not all world by any means but they didn't need to be.

They were content to keep the ball and wait for their opportunities.

TFC, on the other hand, didnt have any opportunities. Probably because the hottest player in the league wasn't there to help and because (like T boy mentioned) they didnt use any creative players in the middle of the field to worry Houston.

This is what we're going to look like as long as we keep believing that possession isn't important.

If mariner believes that he may as well go back to the 80's

Brooker
07-30-2012, 11:40 AM
More drama in here than an episode of Degrassi Jr High. Perhaps some people need a break from TFC. :)


Missed the go train took a cab---50$
2 Big beers----------------------28$
Train back home-----------------9$
Cab ride back-------------------16$
1 Pizza Slice--------------------6$
1 TFC TICKET--------------------41$

150$ to see a shit show------renew my SS NO WAY

Missing go trains, taking taxis, buying overpriced food, buying overpriced beer (all things I've done myself, mind you)...... Surely you're mad at yourself and not TFC?

Pookie
07-30-2012, 11:42 AM
^ this is just an opinion, though my belief is that when de Klerk was moved out and Winter eventually left the club, both Soolsma and Plata felt that they would have better options elsewhere.

Plata, a young developing player, opted to return home.

Soolsma, who likely followed the Ajax men over here, has opted to resume his career in the Netherlands. He didn't waste any time in moving back and never took a look at any MLS opportunities.

My guess is that both felt that staying here in Toronto (or in Soolsma's case, NA) would not be the best moves of their careers. Plata has more time than Soolsma has given ages and both started to dust off their resumes as those coaching changes happened.

Just a gut feel backed up by circumstantial evidence.

Richard
07-30-2012, 11:46 AM
Soolsma probably had the most substance about him on this team behind Koevs,he could beat defenders in 1v1 and cross a half decent ball most of the time. I tend to agree about Plata though, i think he must have gotten figured out( also never seemed to pass when needed).

T-boy
07-30-2012, 11:54 AM
^ this is just an opinion, though my belief is that when de Klerk was moved out and Winter eventually left the club, both Soolsma and Plata felt that they would have better options elsewhere.

Plata, a young developing player, opted to return home.

Soolsma, who likely followed the Ajax men over here, has opted to resume his career in the Netherlands. He didn't waste any time in moving back and never took a look at any MLS opportunities.

My guess is that both felt that staying here in Toronto (or in Soolsma's case, NA) would not be the best moves of their careers. Plata has more time than Soolsma has given ages and both started to dust off their resumes as those coaching changes happened.

Just a gut feel backed up by circumstantial evidence.

Agreed.

I don't think it was the MLS keeping either player with the team. For Plata, I'm not sure. It kinda seems to be the case that he was playing for a the new contract - got it, and was then poor ever since, even with Winter. He then wanted to leave as soon as Winter went.
Soolsma was definitely playing for Winter - there is no doubt. I doubt that he would have stayed whoever was new manager. I don't think the system or the club or the leageu was the appeal of his in Toronto, it was solely down to Aron Winter being here.

starter
07-30-2012, 12:01 PM
It's not nearly as much about players as it is about style of play.


True, even though as you watch these payers develop you can not help but root for individuals as well. And it hurts when they forced to leave the team, without reason other then not fitting in the a**-backward system we are installing here now. Their reason could have been that they have nothing to learn here any more, and this should be scary for those of us who cares.

cochrdoc
07-30-2012, 12:04 PM
We didn`t win with Plata or Soolsma last year and weren`t winning with them this year.I bet both players struggle to get first team minutes on their clubs back home.The only thing is that we picked up 2 players who struggled to get playing time with their MLS clubs.WE need to pick up players who are going to put starters on the bench to get better

T-boy
07-30-2012, 12:09 PM
We didn`t win with Plata or Soolsma last year and weren`t winning with them this year.I bet both players struggle to get first team minutes on their clubs back home.The only thing is that we picked up 2 players who struggled to get playing time with their MLS clubs.WE need to pick up players who are going to put starters on the bench to get better

If Plata and Soolsma didn't want to play for TFC, then they are best gone.

If we have replaced them with two guys who WANT to play for TFC, then I'm fine with that. I don't think either Wiedeman or Amarikwa are any answer for TFC in the long term, but I'd much prefer a couple of guys who WANT to play for the badge rather than two players who only wanted to be here because of the old coach. Wiedeman and Amerikwa both want to prove they are worthy of a long term contract, so they have all to play for the rest of the season.

stevep
07-30-2012, 12:14 PM
Exactly
I know you've ALL been waiting with baited breathe for my justification to this game, and to back up Mariner! So here goes....haha!

That game was utter crap! End of story!

Ok, I'll say more.

1. I thought it was a massive error by Mariner to tinker with the team this week, especially putting Silva out on the right. BIG mistake. Silva is the one player who can thread a ball between players, as proven in the Colorado game. Putting him out on the wing just took Silva out of the game completely, and he couldn't dictate the play at all. He might as well not have been playing. He's wasted in a wide area. I'd say we equally missed Avila's energy this week. Mariner should have changed the team much quicker than he did - put Avila out on the wing, take off Amariwank, and put Silva in the middle at half time at the latest. I may have even done that in the first half, it was so obvious that Silva was ineffective in his position, and Amariwank wasn't giving anywhere near as much to the game as Avila has been lately.

2. I love Ecks - but his distribution was utterly awful on Saturday! If anybody wants to call the game hoofball, you might as well call is Eckersleyball! The kid has a wonderful tackle on him, and he saved TFC multiple times - only to get the ball and look up, and sky the ball either out of play, or to Tally Hall! Emory, on the other hand, although you could argue he was playing long ball - was LOOKING UP and playing a ball to a TFC player. His ball may not have always reached its target, but at least he was aiming. Eckersley, on the other hand, was hitting the ball to the invisible man, or the touchline, or Hall! That's where TFC's game broke upart on mutliple occassions in this game.

3. Man, MLS is horrible football. Those who still argue that MLS is lower Premiership level still, need to get their eyes tested! I hardly ever watch a full MLS game, if TFC aren't involved in it. I've tried to watch a few Whitecaps and Impact games this season, and some other games when they happen to be on our TV, but usually I get bored of the midfield melee that goes on every game. And this game was typical of that. I can live with it when TFC win as there is at least something to celebrate. But, this game was all midfield third, hardly any attacks. Both teams held down the midfield and meant that the majority of "chances" were long shots, at best. The goal lines might as well have been brought into the centre circle and we could watch the ball bob around 10 yards from the centre line. Neither team had any imagination of how to move the ball or spread the play quickly. That wasn't jsut down to TFC, that was equally Houston too. For a neutral football supporter, that must have been the worst entertainment imaginable! That wasn't due to 4-3-3, 4-4-2, hoofball, or anything other than a vast lack of quality ALL over the field from both sides.

starter
07-30-2012, 12:17 PM
We didn`t win with Plata or Soolsma last year and weren`t winning with them this year.I bet both players struggle to get first team minutes on their clubs back home.The only thing is that we picked up 2 players who struggled to get playing time with their MLS clubs.WE need to pick up players who are going to put starters on the bench to get better
I do not think that our loosing was exactly Soolsma or Plata fault, but to your next suggestion to find better players, who in this 442 they will compete with?
Frings and Dunfield are locks with PM, so you want somebody better then Silva/Avila/Lambe for the rest of 2 spots? Somebody experienced, perhaps close to the end of their career? Would that be exciting?
We have blown an opportunity to build this team properly.

T-boy
07-30-2012, 12:25 PM
I do not think that our loosing was exactly Soolsma or Plata fault, but to your next suggestion to find better players, who in this 442 they will compete with?
Frings and Dunfield are locks with PM, so you want somebody better then Silva/Avila/Lambe for the rest of 2 spots? Somebody experienced, perhaps close to the end of their career? Would that be exciting?
We have blown an opportunity to build this team properly.

I don't think he's talking about the midfield, more defence and possibly attack.

I'd personally want Ecks moved back to full back, as he's the best FB we have (and much better at FB than CB, as his distribution is terrible from CB!). Emory isn't a starter at CB - he's a good depth player, but not a starter for every game. Equally Henry isn't a starter YET.

The midfield of Dunfield, Frings, and a mix of either Lambe, Avila, Silva is a fairly decent midfield IMO.

Then up front Hassli will be ok, I think. I remain sceptical of Johnson's ability - he tries hard enough, but really he shouldn't be a starter every game.

If TFFC had around 3 new players right now, I think we would be a very decent team. Two CB's would really change the defense, and then a better starter than Johnson to work with Hassli would really change the attack. I think there is where the starters need to move to bench players (Hall/Henry, and Emory need to be bench depth players, and Johnson needs competition up front).

Pookie
07-30-2012, 12:35 PM
If Plata and Soolsma didn't want to play for TFC, then they are best gone.

If we have replaced them with two guys who WANT to play for TFC, then I'm fine with that. I don't think either Wiedeman or Amarikwa are any answer for TFC in the long term, but I'd much prefer a couple of guys who WANT to play for the badge rather than two players who only wanted to be here because of the old coach. Wiedeman and Amerikwa both want to prove they are worthy of a long term contract, so they have all to play for the rest of the season.

I get the sentiment.

However, you need to get what the league is or I'm afraid you are setting yourself up for failure. It is a development league.

Not one kid in Canada aspires to play for TFC as the ultimate of their career. TFC (and MLS) are at present and at least in the near future, a stepping stone to bigger things.

Hockey mad kids don't grow up dreaming of playing for the Toronto Marlies or Hamilton Bull Dogs. They might play their butts off while there but their end goal is to graduate to bigger and better. If your path is blocked at an AHL club, you will seek to resign with a club that will give you the opportunity, regardless of the crest on the jersey.

That is exactly what Plata is doing. Moving back to a team he thinks he stands a better chance at playing and developing for his end goal.

If your aspiration is to play for the Columbus Crew, Sporting Kansas City or Toronto FC, you need to aim higher.

starter
07-30-2012, 12:41 PM
I don't think he's talking about the midfield, more defence and possibly attack.

I'd personally want Ecks moved back to full back, as he's the best FB we have (and much better at FB than CB, as his distribution is terrible from CB!). Emory isn't a starter at CB - he's a good depth player, but not a starter for every game. Equally Henry isn't a starter YET.

The midfield of Dunfield, Frings, and a mix of either Lambe, Avila, Silva is a fairly decent midfield IMO.

Then up front Hassli will be ok, I think. I remain sceptical of Johnson's ability - he tries hard enough, but really he shouldn't be a starter every game.

If TFFC had around 3 new players right now, I think we would be a very decent team. Two CB's would really change the defense, and then a better starter than Johnson to work with Hassli would really change the attack. I think there is where the starters need to move to bench players (Hall/Henry, and Emory need to be bench depth players, and Johnson needs competition up front).
Honestly, with the Frings/Dunfield anchoring our middle we are already slow, and possession-challenged ( thanks to Terri).
Huston defence controlling a ball was pleasure to watch, we on the other hand, were either booting it or passing it to DMs who booted it up as well. There was no build-up intention other than via long ball, and it was so simple my Sunday team can play this style as well with similar possession retention stats!
It was just ugly, and hard to watch.

OgtheDim
07-30-2012, 12:59 PM
Amerikwa and Johnston are the same style...neither of them want to be link men. Silva does. Not sure why Mariner went with that lineup but at least its proven that Amerikwa is a sub, not a starter.

narduch
07-30-2012, 05:38 PM
Soolsma has 2 offers from the Dutch Premier League at present (Excelsior and SC Cambuur). I'm sure he could have made some contribution to the last place team in Major League Soccer

Just wanted to clear this up. Those aren't Eredevisie clubs. They both play in the Dutch 1st Division, which is the 2nd tier in the Dutch pyramid.

Excelsior is recently relegated from the top flight and Cambuur was mid-table last year.