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Technorgasm
07-12-2012, 08:25 PM
Will be made official tomorrow i would bet.

My source? JDG himself.

How do my fellow RPBs feel about this?

THANKS FOR EVERYTHING JULIAN!

http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2012/07/13/mls_toronto_fc_dallas/

Julian de Guzman’s sometimes brilliant, sometimes pedestrian tenure as a member of Toronto FC is over.
De Guzman’s agent told sportsnet.ca very early Friday morning that TFC has traded the Canadian midfielder to FC Dallas.


De Guzman’s agent confirmed the transaction in a text message sent to sportsnet.ca precisely at 2 a.m. ET. He offered no other details about the deal, such as who or what Toronto was getting in return for the veteran midfielder.


Sportsnet.ca immediately contacted Toronto FC seeking a comment, but the Major League Soccer club did not respond.

scooter
07-12-2012, 08:27 PM
fuckin finally

denime
07-12-2012, 08:28 PM
The way I fell is that if you are fucking with us expect to be infracted for trolling.

If it's true,I'll kiss you next time I see you,how about that?

Ben - D.O.W.
07-12-2012, 08:29 PM
I'm shocked Dallas wants him (edit: at his current salary / if we're not paying for half of it). Any idea what we're getting back / if we're still stuck with some of JDG's salary?

flatpicker
07-12-2012, 08:30 PM
I just can't decide if I should believe this or not.
But I will stay tuned.

Technorgasm
07-12-2012, 08:30 PM
I would assume we ar getting one of Dallas's playuers also. . being a tradde n all. . . .

[NBF]
07-12-2012, 08:32 PM
I would assume we ar getting one of Dallas's playuers also. . being a tradde n all. . . .


C'mon, Ugo Ihemelu...... canadian national I believe as well.

Phil
07-12-2012, 08:33 PM
I know something is in play with him, first I have heard of details. Knowing Techno is friends with him gives this legs.

denime
07-12-2012, 08:36 PM
I know something is in play with him, first I have heard of details. Knowing Techno is friends with him gives this legs.

So I have to be ready to kiss techno?:facepalm:

tiberius
07-12-2012, 08:39 PM
Will be made official tomorrow i would bet.

My source? JDG himself.

How do my fellow RPBs feel about this?

I feel marginally optimistic that JDG will end up in Dallas, but a lot can happen in three weeks... (that is how long it will take for Cockran to figure out how to fill out the paperwork) :D

Canary10
07-12-2012, 08:40 PM
Don't know whether to believe this. If it's true I'd only be ok with it if Mariner went with him.

Technorgasm
07-12-2012, 08:41 PM
So I have to be ready to kiss techno?:facepalm:


pucker up bitches!!

v00d00daddy
07-12-2012, 08:41 PM
This move all depends on what's coming back our way.

I'll reserve judgement until all the details are out.

Suds
07-12-2012, 08:44 PM
So I have to be ready to kiss techno?:facepalm:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoWfYB6ObEhMbiBl8AJDjy5PQyzH4Ok OtCheb72cxdrx9Z5khTgg

pucker up g:D

ryan
07-12-2012, 08:44 PM
so 3rd DP eh?


CONGRATS TERRY!

Phil
07-12-2012, 08:45 PM
So I have to be ready to kiss techno?:facepalm:

Better start doing those tongue exercises if I know Techno.

denime
07-12-2012, 08:46 PM
This move all depends on what's coming back our way.

I'll reserve judgement until all the details are out.

I don't think it is important who is coming from Dallas as much that we have 1 DP spot empty!!

Super
07-12-2012, 08:47 PM
I guess that means we'll be getting a new DP player in this transfer window. I hope it's a CB.

Suds
07-12-2012, 08:48 PM
IF JDG is gone then I expect TFC to sign a quality central defender.

Phil
07-12-2012, 08:49 PM
I guess that means we'll be getting a new DP player in this transfer window. I hope it's a CB.

Get out your magic 8 ball....yes or no? DP or no DP?

Crossing fingers on a a CB :D

billyfly
07-12-2012, 08:50 PM
I guess he didn't like winning Canadian championships.

Benficachop20
07-12-2012, 08:50 PM
ya lets get a cb... it's not like we have a million of those already.

Canary10
07-12-2012, 08:51 PM
I hear Ledley King is on his way as we speak.

Super
07-12-2012, 08:54 PM
I hear Ledley King is on his way as we speak.

LOL well, AVB says he's retiring due to his injury troubles.

Stouffville_RPB
07-12-2012, 08:55 PM
Castillo!

Canary10
07-12-2012, 08:57 PM
LOL well, AVB says he's retiring due to his injury troubles.


Cochrane didn't know about that.

denime
07-12-2012, 08:58 PM
DeRo

MartinUtd
07-12-2012, 08:58 PM
Makes room for Paul Dickov

bigredone
07-12-2012, 08:59 PM
Is the Ballack option still possible? For good or bad. The FO would prosper me thinks.

Super
07-12-2012, 09:01 PM
Is the Ballack option still possible? For good or bad. The FO would prosper me thinks.

Ballack would be a fun signing, but I honestly think that we need a quality (and experienced) CB more than anything else. Nesta would've been ideal.

ryan
07-12-2012, 09:03 PM
so any decent DP quality CB's from Bermuda or formerly of Plymouth Argyle?

BeachTory
07-12-2012, 09:03 PM
McKenna !!!!

Fits the cdn intl return and devos was tweeting about it as possible
would be a good fit

bigredone
07-12-2012, 09:04 PM
I agree! Rusty Krupp steal!

Canary10
07-12-2012, 09:04 PM
Is the Ballack option still possible? For good or bad. The FO would prosper me thinks.

Ballack is shit. That would be a big mistake. How 'bout we not actually sign a third DP and concentrate on getting a few decent MLS players.

denime
07-12-2012, 09:04 PM
so any decent DP quality CB's from Bermuda or formerly of Plymouth Argyle?

Maybe BDK will find us someone from Holland,I heard Winter is out of retirement,actually he is too skilled doesn't fit Mariners profile player

Soccerpro
07-12-2012, 09:05 PM
Why would the last place team in the Wesern conference take an underperforming DP who takes up an international spot midway through the season?

ryan
07-12-2012, 09:06 PM
McKenna !!!!

Fits the cdn intl return and devos was tweeting about it as possible
would be a good fit

I approve of this greatly.

Canary10
07-12-2012, 09:07 PM
Why would the last place team in the Wesern conference take an underperforming DP who takes up an international spot midway through the season?

I think he'd be a good fit there. Dallas likes to do things that fit with his skills. Things we don't do at TFC. Like pass.

ryan
07-12-2012, 09:08 PM
Maybe BDK will find us someone from Holland,I heard Winter is out of retirement.

Yeah and Mariner is going to take a tip from BDK?

:D

billyfly
07-12-2012, 09:09 PM
I won't believe this until Duane confirms.

(sorry Duane couldn't pass it up)

BeachTory
07-12-2012, 09:09 PM
Why would the last place team in the Wesern conference take an underperforming DP who takes up an international spot midway through the season?

Because we pay them to take his contract so we can get someone mariner needs ... A large CDN CB who speaks german

narduch
07-12-2012, 09:09 PM
Why would the last place team in the Wesern conference take an underperforming DP who takes up an international spot midway through the season?

I was about to post this as well.

This doesn't make sense, unless we are essentially paying Dallas to take him (a la the Barrett trade).

I can't see MLSE wasting that kind of coin with the sale impending.

Yohan
07-12-2012, 09:11 PM
Is this a joke? Lol

Canary10
07-12-2012, 09:12 PM
Tomorrow is Friday the 13th...

117
07-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Tomorrow is Friday the 13th...

Didn't we *ACTUALLY* trade DeRo on April Fools? That one was a mind-fuck, for sure!

Super
07-12-2012, 09:19 PM
This trade makes no sense to me either. No way Dallas is going to pay DP money for JDG (900k for half a season), and why on earth would we send him to Dallas and pay all of his salary? Makes no sense to me.

I guess we'll learn more in the coming days - unless this was all a joke.

Canary10
07-12-2012, 09:23 PM
Luke Wileman just tweeted it.

denime
07-12-2012, 09:26 PM
This trade makes no sense to me either. No way Dallas is going to pay DP money for JDG (900k for half a season), and why on earth would we send him to Dallas and pay all of his salary? Makes no sense to me.

I guess we'll learn more in the coming days - unless this was all a joke.


When you have Cockrane and Mariner running the show nothing makes sense,all we can do is hope for the best.

narduch
07-12-2012, 09:27 PM
and why on earth would we send him to Dallas and pay all of his salary?

Usually I would guess an attempt by the TFC FO to sell tickets. IE bring in a big name player that they can market at renewal time.

I just don't know if that's going to happen with the ownership limbo.

Technorgasm
07-12-2012, 09:29 PM
This trade makes no sense to me either. No way Dallas is going to pay DP money for JDG (900k for half a season), and why on earth would we send him to Dallas and pay all of his salary? Makes no sense to me.

I guess we'll learn more in the coming days - unless this was all a joke.

Dallas WILL be paying him, his contract only lasted this season, and they are taking him and paying him for the remainder of it.
yuyp.
off the books!

Yohan
07-12-2012, 09:31 PM
Someone videotape techno getting all thoses kisses

Canary10
07-12-2012, 09:31 PM
And now it's all over twitter. So it must be true. Or Technorgasm gets an award for starting a rumour...

Azerban
07-12-2012, 09:31 PM
paul mariner best mariner

Soccerpro
07-12-2012, 09:32 PM
I hope TFC doesn't rush out and sign someone in a hurry to full a void this season. Wait until next year, trim more fat, and make smart signings.

BeachTory
07-12-2012, 09:32 PM
Wow. Just wow.

Ives is now tweeting that JDG is on a plane to Dallas already.

Techno - does that sound right to you?

Suds
07-12-2012, 09:32 PM
Luke Wileman just tweeted it.

Ives Galarcep has also tweeted this as rumour. Says source tells him De Guzman is on a plane to Dallas.


Rumblings out of Canada have Toronto FC on verge of trading Julian DeGuzman to FC Dallas. Source tells me DeGuzman is on a plane to Dallas

Oldtimer
07-12-2012, 09:34 PM
Dunfield will get promoted to DP after that goal that bounced off his head last game. :D

Smokecell
07-12-2012, 09:35 PM
If TFC gets George John in return this would be a great deal!

Pinkie
07-12-2012, 09:37 PM
wooooow. unreal

LittleOzzy
07-12-2012, 09:38 PM
And I was just thinking the other day that he was going to be the first TFC player to reach 100 games with us.

Unlike most I actually had no issue with JDG. He was frustrating at times but not nearly as bad as most made him out to be.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Wow.

If the reports were accurate that JDG and TFC were in contract negotiations recently, the two sides were probably far apart, and Mariner decided to act now.

Pookie
07-12-2012, 09:39 PM
Maybe they are going to bring back Joao Plata on loan from LQD?

narduch
07-12-2012, 09:39 PM
Wow.

If the reports were accurate that JDG and TFC were in contract negotiations recently, the two sides were probably far apart, and Mariner decided to act now.

My guess is that those negotiations were a bogus smoke screen.

Yohan
07-12-2012, 09:40 PM
If TFC gets George John in return this would be a great deal!itd be a houdini level of deal if mariner gets george john in the trade. John is on last yr of contract, but makes league min plus a solid cb and tfc still has cap room for more signings

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 09:43 PM
Well it looks like the contract negotiations didn't go too well.. Probably went something like this..

JDG: So I wanna come back next year and play for TFC.. Tell you what I'll play for the same 1.9 million..
Cochrane: well first let me find the damn paper work. Anyways I was thinking around 1.5
JDG: 1.5 million where do I sign..
Cochrane: no I was thinking 1.5k
JDG: oh ok let's just make it a cool mill and call it even
Cochrane: tell you what here's a one way ticket to the big d, now we're even..

Azerban
07-12-2012, 09:45 PM
Well it looks like the contract negotiations didn't go too well.. Probably went something like this..

JDG: So I wanna come back next year and play for TFC.. Tell you what I'll play for the same 1.9 million..
Cochrane: well first let me find the damn paper work. Anyways I was thinking around 1.5
JDG: 1.5 million where do I sign..
Cochrane: no I was thinking 1.5k
JDG: oh ok let's just make it a cool mill and call it even
Cochrane: tell you what here's a one way ticket to the big d, now we're even..

I don't think it went anything like that.

QSIM
07-12-2012, 09:47 PM
Would this be the first ever DP trade? Cant recall any others..

FluSH
07-12-2012, 09:48 PM
pucker up bitches!!

Techno, are you sure you weren't drinking when you heard this? Wait... are you sure you weren't SOBER when you heard this? :)

Oldtimer
07-12-2012, 09:48 PM
Would this be the first ever DP trade? Cant recall any others..

there was another...Freddy Ljungberg perhaps?

EDIT: Yes it was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredrik_Ljungberg

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 09:49 PM
Juan Pablo Angel?

ben_vw
07-12-2012, 09:50 PM
Would this be the first ever DP trade? Cant recall any others..

Ljungberg to Chicago.

QSIM
07-12-2012, 09:51 PM
Yes, actually just did a quick look-up....

Freddie Ljungberg, Jaun Pablo Angel, Claudio Lopez (played for KC and COL, but I do not believe it was a trade)

...gotta love that there internets.

FluSH
07-12-2012, 09:55 PM
Still in shock!

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 09:57 PM
I'm asking around.

As always, when I get an update, I'll let you all know!

Detroit_TFC
07-12-2012, 09:58 PM
Wow. Unglaublich.

JDG's agent is a miracle worker. Massive opportunity for the FO. Things are going to be a bit thin in the roster for a bit until they unveil whoever they have in mind. Time to start a pool? I call last day of transfer window. Just hoping whoever they get is prominent enough to have a picture in his wiki entry.

jloome
07-12-2012, 10:01 PM
Still in shock!

I heard that! This team is like following a soap, for crying out loud.

Damn, if Mariner lands George John or even just a good draft pick, I'd be happy. Open up a DP spot and land some young talent. John might have realized he's not ready for Europe when he couldn't crack a first team game at West Ham.

FluSH
07-12-2012, 10:03 PM
Can I answer here to the thread:

"What would get you to renew your seasons?"

jazzy
07-12-2012, 10:04 PM
I think he'd be a good fit there. Dallas likes to do things that fit with his skills. Things we don't do at TFC. Like pass.
does to the other team count?....oh Canary how about simeone....just kidding.....(I am his biggest fan)...and jealous of that avatar

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:06 PM
I wonder if we even see another dp this year. Any prominant dp would require at a minimum a 2 year contract and with the sale of ML$E this maybe something that's not approved at the moment. I guess we'll find out in the next couple of weeks.

jloome
07-12-2012, 10:06 PM
2-1 it's McKenna as a low-level DP.

Nuvinho
07-12-2012, 10:07 PM
Mista is coming back

Yohan
07-12-2012, 10:07 PM
2-1 it's McKenna as a low-level DP.seems ives twitted something about this?

jazzy
07-12-2012, 10:08 PM
Ballack is shit. That would be a big mistake. How 'bout we not actually sign a third DP and concentrate on getting a few decent MLS players.
unfortunately who exactly in this mgmt would recognize MLS talent?

mowe
07-12-2012, 10:10 PM
This is unbelievable, I never thought this would happen. I'm shocked Dallas agreed to take him and are apparently paying his salary. I wonder if we'll get any players back, likely not.

I bet they have another DP lined up. I hope it's a CB.

Man I'm so happy. I was 100% against resigning JDG but now we don't even have to wait until the end of the season to get rid of him. Fan-fucking-tastic.

spark
07-12-2012, 10:13 PM
2-1 it's McKenna as a low-level DP.

Go with this.

bones
07-12-2012, 10:13 PM
2-1 it's McKenna as a low-level DP.

what, no magic Mo idea "ppppst hey Kevin, I can offer you a non-DP/finishing this season off offer, then next year we'll look at getting you a DeR....errr I mean a DP contract"

OgtheDim
07-12-2012, 10:14 PM
Who the heck is going to sub for Frings/Dunfield this weekend?

jloome
07-12-2012, 10:18 PM
seems ives twitted something about this?

Makes sense.

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:18 PM
Who the heck is going to sub for Frings/Dunfield this weekend?

No need to worry about Dunfield he never comes off anymore.. And that was before he scored...

brad
07-12-2012, 10:18 PM
Does this mean Dallas have more Canadians than Vancouver?

narduch
07-12-2012, 10:19 PM
what, no magic Mo idea "ppppst hey Kevin, I can offer you a non-DP/finishing this season off offer, then next year we'll look at getting you a DeR....errr I mean a DP contract"

You forgot to add "Don't worry that it says its a 4-year non DP contract, just sign it and we'll 'renegotiate' later."

jazzy
07-12-2012, 10:19 PM
I wonder if we even see another dp this year. Any prominant dp would require at a minimum a 2 year contract and with the sale of ML$E this maybe something that's not approved at the moment. I guess we'll find out in the next couple of weeks.

how about completely stripping down the baggage of the team for this season for a profit sale??..think of this org as we would say RIM,...haha, wow that hurts!

brad
07-12-2012, 10:20 PM
I really hope Mariner brings in a center back with an accurate hoof. We need someone back there that is better at finding Koevermans than the CB's we have now.

narduch
07-12-2012, 10:22 PM
Twitter might be blowing up with the news, but I still won't believe its happening until Earl Cochrane denies it.

Yohan
07-12-2012, 10:23 PM
Twitter might be blowing up with the news, but I still won't believe its happening until Earl Cochrane denies it.well played sir. Well played

Blizzard
07-12-2012, 10:24 PM
You should know by now that Mariner would never dare to take off his boyfriend Dunfield even if hes gassed out. Maybe Stinson could replace Frings if hes tired.

Hall has played in the MF and Aceval was a MF'er most of his career ... which would explain to me his lack of "instinctiveness" when playing in the back four.

And yes, absolutely, let's not forget Matt Stinson.

Nuvinho
07-12-2012, 10:25 PM
I still remember the last time we got late night TFC news - when we got Amado Guevara. Still miss that guy!

brad
07-12-2012, 10:25 PM
I bet La Liga JDG appears for Dallas, and joins the long list of players that excelled after leaving TFC.

supersaint
07-12-2012, 10:26 PM
Ok guys, what about Bocanegra with Rangers. Performing well for USNMT and was a rock for Rangers. He has said he would not rule out returning to MLS. He would be a perfect fit in my books.

OgtheDim
07-12-2012, 10:26 PM
My concern is more injury and red/yellow cards. Frings is one yellow away from a suspension. And Dunfield is always one ref in a bad mood away from a second yellow.

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:27 PM
Twitter might be blowing up with the news, but I still won't believe its happening until Earl Cochrane denies it.

Nice.. g:D

Huyton
07-12-2012, 10:27 PM
What happened to that del Piero rumour?

You want to sell seats? You want to sell shirts?

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 10:28 PM
We're about to break a story at RedNation Online.

You're gonna love this! :D

narduch
07-12-2012, 10:30 PM
What happened to that del Piero rumour?

You want to sell seats? You want to sell shirts?

Ives tweeted something about Del Piero to TFC as a possibility.

De Guzman out and Del Piero in, in the span of days? That would be insane.

AL-MO
07-12-2012, 10:31 PM
Twitter might be blowing up with the news, but I still won't believe its happening until Earl Cochrane denies it.

LOL!

This twat needs to be gassed along with the other members of the ABC crew.

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:34 PM
What happened to that del Piero rumour?

You want to sell seats? You want to sell shirts?

Mentioned on twitter earlier..

reggie
07-12-2012, 10:34 PM
The next DP has to be a stud,a AM...
if they sign mckenna to a dp contract i will have a shit,he is not that good.

daner90
07-12-2012, 10:35 PM
This should give Luis Silva the opportunity to start the majority of our remaining league games which would be great for a kid with a lot of upside ( and a criminal record lol)

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:36 PM
Ives tweeted something about Del Piero to TFC as a possibility.

De Guzman out and Del Piero in, in the span of days? That would be insane.

Wouldnt he more likely end up in Mtl before coming here? Mtl only has 2 dp's correct?

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:39 PM
The next DP has to be a stud,a AM...
if they sign mckenna to a dp contract i will have a shit,he is not that good.

I agree, many mls teams have stud cb without having to be on a dp contract.. If TFC want to impress me sign McKenna as a non dp and del piero as a dp.. Here's to dreaming.. g:D

forza_tfc
07-12-2012, 10:40 PM
Wouldnt he more likely end up in Mtl before coming here? Mtl only has 2 dp's correct?

Ives also tweeted that his comment about Del Piero was just speculation.

OgtheDim
07-12-2012, 10:41 PM
And who are we getting from Dallas?

Walms
07-12-2012, 10:41 PM
2-1 it's McKenna as a low-level DP.

God I hope so

OgtheDim
07-12-2012, 10:43 PM
We're about to break a story at RedNation Online.

You're gonna love this! :D

15 minutes is an eternity on a Thursday night before midnight......about means?

DaBandit
07-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Ives also tweeted that his comment about Del Piero was just speculation.

I figured as much.

Ageroo
07-12-2012, 10:49 PM
As much as I am the only JDG supporter on this board :) this needed to happen.....Hopefully a CB is on their way.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2012, 10:49 PM
According to Yves and Ben Rycroft, a big name CB is heading to T.O. and he isn't Canadian.

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 10:50 PM
JULIAN DE GUZMAN OUT, KEVIN MCKENNA IN FOR TORONTO FC

http://www.rednationonline.ca/JuliandeGuzmangoneKevinMcKennainforToront.aspx


Seeing limited playing time, Toronto FC have likely been looking to offload De Guzman’s contract in order to shore up their backline. Sources close to the situation have revealed to RedNation Online Toronto FC is now close to signing Canadian Men’s National Team captain Kevin McKenna.

billyfly
07-12-2012, 10:54 PM
JULIAN DE GUZMAN OUT, KEVIN MCKENNA IN FOR TORONTO FC

http://www.rednationonline.ca/JuliandeGuzmangoneKevinMcKennainforToront.aspx

Thats the same thing you guys said on Juy 8th.

ensco
07-12-2012, 10:54 PM
^Are you reporting McKenna negotiations? Or just rumours of McKenna negotiations?

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 10:56 PM
The source I talked to said that Toronto FC is going after Kevin McKenna, and other Canadian National Team players have been talking about it too.

billyfly
07-12-2012, 10:58 PM
I'll take Del Piero instead.

OgtheDim
07-12-2012, 10:58 PM
So in essence ur reporting what you already talked about......ok. Not exactly "Going to Love It" but....whatever. Bed time....

ensco
07-12-2012, 11:01 PM
The source I talked to said that Toronto FC is going after Kevin McKenna, and other Canadian National Team players have been talking about it too.

So something less than current negotiations. Seems plausible. McKenna may have no interest though. One can only imagine what he hears from Dero, and now JDG, about TFC.

May be multiple moves here, given the Ives rumour about the non-Canadian CB.

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 11:01 PM
We received further confirmation from what was once a rumour to now a reported contract being negotiated. That's what we're reporting.

Jeff s
07-12-2012, 11:01 PM
Plata, Soolsma, Guzman all in one week... its like we WANT to be the worst team in the world.

and HELL no do I want a CB. That will make it what 9 CB's? Especially if it really is McKenna.

reggie
07-12-2012, 11:01 PM
mckenna is not a stud CB,he would be a upgrade,but he wont sell any tickets,they need a name or else there will be crowds of 13 to 15 next season,

brad
07-12-2012, 11:02 PM
Non Canadian CB - John as part if the trade?

Walms
07-12-2012, 11:03 PM
So McKenna is still just a rumor? I'm starting to get excited and my hopes are climbing...... Usually when that happens I get crushed with bad news

reggie
07-12-2012, 11:04 PM
are we pulling a all nighter tonight?

leafsman
07-12-2012, 11:04 PM
I like mckenna but not as a DP.

Stryker
07-12-2012, 11:05 PM
JULIAN DE GUZMAN OUT, KEVIN MCKENNA IN FOR TORONTO FC

http://www.rednationonline.ca/JuliandeGuzmangoneKevinMcKennainforToront.aspx

Did you just say you exclusively confirm a rumour?
:lol::lol::lol:

ensco
07-12-2012, 11:06 PM
Armen, you need to try to suss out the financial and other arrangements of the JDG trade. I suspect nothing of value is coming back, in fact something more may be going the other way. The only way this makes sense to me from Dallas' POV is if TFC pick up, say, $900K of the $1 million JDG is still owed PLUS Dallas get something for the "rental" of Dallas' DP slot.

Phil
07-12-2012, 11:06 PM
Non Canadian is what I am hearing. Not sure about DP.

Dave
07-12-2012, 11:06 PM
Mckenna is amazing on set pieces, offensive and defensive. Something TFC could really use IMO. Don't pre-judge him because he is Canadian. Kevin Mckenna is a rock at CB.

brad
07-12-2012, 11:06 PM
mckenna is not a stud CB,he would be a upgrade,but he wont sell any tickets,they need a name or else there will be crowds of 13 to 15 next season,

How good is his long ball though?

Walms
07-12-2012, 11:06 PM
are we pulling a all nighter tonight?

It's starting to look that way, I just poped a bag of popcorn and I'm ready for the nights entertainment

reggie
07-12-2012, 11:07 PM
So McKenna is still just a rumor? I'm starting to get excited and my hopes are climbing...... Usually when that happens I get crushed with bad news

he will probs sign with mtl along with del piero

Ageroo
07-12-2012, 11:07 PM
I like mckenna but not as a DP.

Low level DP I am ok with...he has been great on set pieces and is a leader. This is what the backline needs.

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 11:08 PM
Did you just say you exclusively confirm a rumour?
:lol::lol::lol:


We worded it wrong, apologies for that, but we are reporting that Toronto FC may be negotiating a contract to sign Kevin McKenna.

The article has been updated to reflect our position. The source we have has been bang on about numerous, numerous stories so I feel comfortable reporting it.

ArmenJBX
07-12-2012, 11:09 PM
Non Canadian is what I am hearing. Not sure about DP.

The non-Canandian may be what we're picking up from Dallas.
I've heard the same rumour.

leafsman
07-12-2012, 11:11 PM
Low level DP I am ok with...he has been great on set pieces and is a leader. This is what the backline needs.

whats a low level dp mean?

Jeff s
07-12-2012, 11:11 PM
Mariner loves Hoof ball so much he's getting rid of all the midfielders. There just getting in the way.

Phil
07-12-2012, 11:12 PM
The non-Canandian may be what we're picking up from Dallas.
I've heard the same rumour.

He is not from Dallas. But I have no info on Kevin McKenna. No issues there and only hope.

Corpand
07-12-2012, 11:13 PM
Non Canadian is what I am hearing. Not sure about DP.

Lets hope so. I just wish there was a solid name to go to bed with tonight, I always get worked up over the next day and (usually) end up vaguely dissapointed.

Ageroo
07-12-2012, 11:13 PM
whats a low level dp mean?

Get's the DP tag but not a huge contract like JDG's....maybe even less than Koevermans

billyfly
07-12-2012, 11:14 PM
My source knows nothing about this. I hate him.

reggie
07-12-2012, 11:16 PM
i would love david ferrera....dreaming

Ajax TFC
07-12-2012, 11:17 PM
I really don't get why people care about the salaries of DP's. as far as I'm concerned, they all make 335k. After that I couldn't care less if they make 500k or 5m

Stryker
07-12-2012, 11:18 PM
If JDG plays in Dallas like he did here he'd be wise to avoid grassy knolls.

Ageroo
07-12-2012, 11:19 PM
i would love david ferrera....dreaming


that you are my friend....:)

ensco
07-12-2012, 11:20 PM
I really don't get why people care about the salaries of DP's. as far as I'm concerned, they all make 335k. After that I couldn't care less if they make 500k or 5m

I care. We could have had a player who cost $ 1.9 million a year and was worth it. instead we got a player worth $100K, someone who can easily be replaced by a non-DP. That's a pretty serious problem.

Ageroo
07-12-2012, 11:22 PM
I care. We could have had a player who cost $ 1.9 million a year and was worth it. instead we got a player worth $100K, someone who can easily be replaced by a non-DP. That's a pretty serious problem.

I see your point, but you can't fault the player for having a good agent....JDG had Houdini working his contract.

Walms
07-12-2012, 11:25 PM
My friend who dosent follow TFC at all, maybe been to 2 games this year, just texted me the comment of the night!

"It would seem the next logical step would be to kill dany k and kocic, make dunfield el capitano and put johnson on dancing with the stars"

It gave me a good laugh coming from someone outside the soccer world

jabbronies
07-12-2012, 11:32 PM
Ben Rycroft ‏@callitfootball Also, from source in Dallas - FCD has about $150-200K under the cap. In MLS math that means, if approved, TFC is picking up salary

Ajax TFC
07-12-2012, 11:32 PM
I care. We could have had a player who cost $ 1.9 million a year and was worth it. instead we got a player worth $100K, someone who can easily be replaced by a non-DP. That's a pretty serious problem.
That's not really the point I was trying to make. I'm not trying to defend de Guzman's contract in any way shape or form. I was referring to the posts talking about signing Mckenna to a low DP contract. The point I was trying to make is that either someone is worth a DP spot or they aren't. There is no difference in limitations imposed between signing a 500k DP and a 5m DP. They both look the same on the salary cap.
So the question isn't whether or not Mckenna is worth a low DP salary, the question is whether we should be using a precious DP slot on Kevin Mckenna, that would look the exact same against the cap if it was used on a high DP salary player.

Alonso
07-12-2012, 11:33 PM
We received further confirmation from what was once a rumour to now a reported contract being negotiated. That's what we're reporting.


That's kind of weak. AND not what the title of your post was: "JULIAN DE GUZMAN OUT, KEVIN MCKENNA IN FOR TORONTO FC"

You shouldn't report something as fact when you don't know them to be facts, right?

jabbronies
07-12-2012, 11:34 PM
off topic - but I've always been pulling for JDG to work out in Toronto. Never happen. Unfortunate, but that's football.

PopePouri
07-12-2012, 11:36 PM
Ben Rycroft ‏@callitfootball Also, from source in Dallas - FCD has about $150-200K under the cap. In MLS math that means, if approved, TFC is picking up salary

Wouldn't it be half of 335k due to the middle of the season?

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2012, 11:37 PM
Mariner has recently stated that he has targeted multiple players to add to the roster. It could be two CBs and a MF. I just hope that he alleviates the log jam on the backline because the current roster is terribly unbalanced.

Stryker
07-12-2012, 11:41 PM
McKenna as a DP would just be wasting a DP again. He's good but he's not DP good.

ManUtd4ever
07-12-2012, 11:44 PM
Wouldn't it be half of 335k due to the middle of the season?

That's what I would assume as well.

The only way it would make sense for TFC to pick up part of JDG's salary and make the deal is if they still gain the cap space necessary to afford another DP and/or other players. Otherwise, they might as well have kept him.

Code Red
07-12-2012, 11:47 PM
Well, seeing as he was walking anyway at the end of the season...

As usual, watch him start playing some of his best football like all the others that have departed this city.

Alonso
07-12-2012, 11:48 PM
Get's the DP tag but not a huge contract like JDG's....maybe even less than Koevermans


A "low level DP" is the worst option for TFC as anything after the DP cap hit is irrelevant for a club that brings in the cash hand over fist for the league and the club.

They over paid DeGuzman for sure, but a big impact player costs the team the same as a low level DP, and it's the big impact player that we should be hoping for since we have filled the clubs coffer's to over capacity with complete incompetence in management wasting it.

lazlo_80
07-12-2012, 11:49 PM
Rycroft just posted a tweet:

@callitfootball
Claiming to break a story doesn't make it so. Hilariously desperate stuff

Obvious jab aside. He doesn't seem to think McKenna is coming here.

Alonso
07-12-2012, 11:51 PM
I really don't get why people care about the salaries of DP's. as far as I'm concerned, they all make 335k. After that I couldn't care less if they make 500k or 5m


YES!!!!!

Exactly! What a DP make is irrelevant since the cap hit to the team is always the same. ....

If you're a struggling franchise it matters, otherwise, who gives a fuck! Get the best DP possible, NOT the lowest DP possible!?!

QSIM
07-13-2012, 12:02 AM
Soo much offloading in the past week(s)....me thinks were finally in for something that doesn't disappoint....did I just jinx it?

TFC USA
07-13-2012, 12:05 AM
JDG was an excellent player. His pinpoint shots into Row Z are of an other-worldly class.

Best two days ever? A stoppage time winner and this guy is outta here.

Alonso
07-13-2012, 12:11 AM
JDG was an excellent player. His pinpoint shots into Row Z are of an other-worldly class.

Best two days ever? A stoppage time winner and this guy is outta here.


Dude couldn't hit the side of a barn....

Except for twice in three years.

Stryker
07-13-2012, 12:13 AM
Who's up for a "De Guzman's ass is gone" TFC scarf? No? Just spitballing.

__wowza
07-13-2012, 12:18 AM
FUCK ALL OF YOU.
i was planning on sleeping.

Code Red
07-13-2012, 12:23 AM
FUCK ALL OF YOU.
i was planning on sleeping.

lol. Fucking interwebz eh?

bman27
07-13-2012, 01:11 AM
John Molinaro ‏@JohnMolinaro (https://twitter.com/JohnMolinaro) BREAKING: Julian de Guzman's agent just confirmed to me a minute ago he's been traded to Dallas. #TFC (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23TFC)

Super
07-13-2012, 01:13 AM
It's official. Best of luck in Dallas, Julian!

Doucet3
07-13-2012, 02:28 AM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/iphone/soccer/2012/07/13/mls_toronto_fc_dallas/?region=ONTARIO

Just got this don't know if it's been confirm yet on here, cheers Julian wasn't a fan but thought you were decent Goodluck.

Id take McKenna, but we have to sign atleast 1 really good player and 1 decent player

brad
07-13-2012, 06:01 AM
I really don't get why people care about the salaries of DP's. as far as I'm concerned, they all make 335k. After that I couldn't care less if they make 500k or 5m

Increases the operating costs which increases the likelihood of a price hike.

ag futbol
07-13-2012, 06:06 AM
Ballack is shit. That would be a big mistake. How 'bout we not actually sign a third DP and concentrate on getting a few decent MLS players.
Here, fucken, here!

Has everyone figured out part of the reason we are so shit is that we have too much money tied up in too few players yet?

Yohan
07-13-2012, 06:14 AM
Increases the operating costs which increases the likelihood of a price hike.

Not an issue from pure footballing pov...

Fort York Redcoat
07-13-2012, 06:29 AM
This move is perplexing. I'd suspect this is not somewhere Julian has been eyeing for a while. I'd reckon this move means he wants to keep playing past this year but I would be VERY surprised if he stayed in this league.

I had high hopes for JDG till his 3rd season of mediocrity. To me this will always be a case of a player move motivated by the home-town factor superceding a lack of respect for this league of ours.

And I can't see JDG becoming a Jeff Cunningham or Maicon Santos.


http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjpszsIddL1_CVaqVZT3XlZrCCHKdzt MqEMRQQbxzYtzhR3rPQhttp://www.google.ca/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.mlssoccer.com/sites/league/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2011/12/maicon-santos.jpg&sa=X&ei=-xQAULLxJuOm6wH50ozSBw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFF8GvsdjqVluL6yWW1Q1cbtWeS3g


See you in September for Canada, Julian!

ensco
07-13-2012, 06:36 AM
This move is perplexing. I'd suspect this is not somewhere Julian has been eyeing for a while. I'd reckon this move means he wants to keep playing past this year but I would be VERY surprised if he stayed in this league.


Isn't it just TFC renting a DP slot from Dallas? I am sure we are paying virtually all of JDG's salary. We are not getting anything of value back, and we may well be sending something else the other way as part of this. Why else would they do it?

What JDG wants would not have come into it IMHO. He was a bust, it's no surprise, he has been available in two expansion drafts.

Fort York Redcoat
07-13-2012, 06:49 AM
Isn't it just TFC renting a DP slot from Dallas? I am sure we are paying virtually all of JDG's salary. We are not getting anything of value back, and we may well be sending something else the other way as part of this. Why else would they do it?

What JDG wants would not have come into it IMHO. He was a bust, it's no surprise, he has been available in two expansion drafts.

I believe all your saying.

We've watched him play for a team he professed to want to play for. I can't see him getting many or wanting many mins in Dallas. Yeesh :eek6:

Suds
07-13-2012, 06:55 AM
Isn't it just TFC renting a DP slot from Dallas? I am sure we are paying virtually all of JDG's salary. We are not getting anything of value back, and we may well be sending something else the other way as part of this. Why else would they do it?

What JDG wants would not have come into it IMHO. He was a bust, it's no surprise, he has been available in two expansion drafts.

Seems like it.

If TFC trade their DP it opens up a DP spot. Dallas does not list JDG as a DP because it's the second half of the season. (I might be misunderstanding the DP rule) Dallas picks up the remaining salary against the cap TFC continue to pay the salary above the cap.

Could this be what's going on?

Stouffville_RPB
07-13-2012, 07:10 AM
Mckenna is amazing on set pieces, offensive and defensive. Something TFC could really use IMO. Don't pre-judge him because he is Canadian. Kevin Mckenna is a rock at CB.

As far as set pieces go Henry is a beast in the air. McKenna would be great for helping him positionally though.


Low level DP I am ok with...he has been great on set pieces and is a leader. This is what the backline needs.

I don't see the worry about "low-level" DP. You only have 3 DP spots and each one has a pretty big cap hit. I only care that the cap and DP spots are used wisely. I never had an issue with JDG or Mista making the money they were only that they were occupying DP slots and large cap numbers that could otherwise be used to improve the squad.

I personally would like to see TFC take their time filling the DP slot. I'd rather wait and make sure that you get the right guy than to sign a DP just because you have the open spot/cap room. TFC really can't afford to be stuck with a DP bust again.


FUCK ALL OF YOU.
i was planning on sleeping.

I just saw you changed your avatar. Cue the Dunfield traded/cut/released by mutual consent rumors!

boban
07-13-2012, 07:13 AM
Plata, Soolsma, Guzman all in one week... its like we WANT to be the worst team in the world.

and HELL no do I want a CB. That will make it what 9 CB's? Especially if it really is McKenna.
I'm inclined to have your thinking on this.
All these players gone in 1 week?!! Just to make room for a possible DP signing. Surprising these players play more a possession style game. Or should I say not surprising lol.
There better be more than 1 player involved coming into TFC when the dust settles from all this action.
But this indisputably gives proof that Mariner is not tweaking the side, he is overhauling it.
And with long ball players at that!!

TOBOR !
07-13-2012, 07:20 AM
This news doesn't affect me in the slightest. Not the way Soolsma's release did. Soolsma was useful. JDG, well, enough has been said about him over the years, no need to go over it again.

My only concern is that Frings has to stay healthy now.

Pookie
07-13-2012, 07:20 AM
I personally would like to see TFC take their time filling the DP slot. I'd rather wait and make sure that you get the right guy than to sign a DP just because you have the open spot/cap room. TFC really can't afford to be stuck with a DP bust again.



How long would you be willing to wait?

If beyond this season, it makes little to no sense to release Julian now when his contract expires at the end of the season. Not hearing many assets coming back yet, so that could change once details leak (if there are any). Releasing him now somewhat assures that you won't be able to bring him back under a non-DP contract. Something that is extremely important given MLS CDN quota rules.

As an aside, TFC once again strikes out in informing the fans... the best fans in the soccer world or something like that... about official club business before the players do. You'd think someone would have a press release ready at the time they talk to these guys.

Oldtimer
07-13-2012, 07:22 AM
Be prepared to be disappointed. Never fails when it comes to ML$E. Weren't the Raptors going to have a big signing that didn't turn out (I don't follow basketball)?

Pookie
07-13-2012, 07:26 AM
This move is perplexing. I'd suspect this is not somewhere Julian has been eyeing for a while. I'd reckon this move means he wants to keep playing past this year but I would be VERY surprised if he stayed in this league.

I had high hopes for JDG till his 3rd season of mediocrity. To me this will always be a case of a player move motivated by the home-town factor superceding a lack of respect for this league of ours.

And I can't see JDG becoming a Jeff Cunningham or Maicon Santos.


See you in September for Canada, Julian!

Isn't it a bit curious though that you mention is mediocrity yet also acknowledge his contribution and place on the CNMT?

To me, JDG will always be a player saddled with very un-realistic hope and expectations based on his salary and passport. Arguably, he was contributing very noticeably last season. Now, maybe not DP worthy but in terms of MLS quality defensive midfielders, certainly not at the bottom of the heap. In terms of Canadians playing this game in North America? Well his inclusion on the CNMT sort of highlights he is one of the better ones.

JDG on a non-DP contract should have been a priority for this club given MLS roster rules.

Now it's done. And we'll see if MLSE pockets the cash (assuming Dallas is paying something) or actually has a plan in mind.

Ageroo
07-13-2012, 07:29 AM
Isn't it just TFC renting a DP slot from Dallas? I am sure we are paying virtually all of JDG's salary. We are not getting anything of value back, and we may well be sending something else the other way as part of this. Why else would they do it?

What JDG wants would not have come into it IMHO. He was a bust, it's no surprise, he has been available in two expansion drafts.

Bust yes...unfortunate...but I think him being available in 2 expansion drafts really doesn't say that much. TFC knew no one would take him at that salary...and thus they were able to protect 1 extra player.

Stouffville_RPB
07-13-2012, 07:40 AM
How long would you be willing to wait?

If beyond this season, it makes little to no sense to release Julian now when his contract expires at the end of the season.

That is true. Realized that after posting though didn't change it because my feeling on it still remain true. I'd rather get the signing right than get it right now (as in immediately).

I also wouldn't mind seeing them use the cap relief to bring in a couple of players in (even though I know this isn't likely).

117
07-13-2012, 07:41 AM
This transfer window is gonna be hell on Julian B. Guzman protecting his bail investment. Soolsma already adrift, and now this?

Oldtimer
07-13-2012, 07:44 AM
Now it's done. And we'll see if MLSE pockets the cash (assuming Dallas is paying something) or actually has a plan in mind.

... and that could be it. ML$E could be reducing down their "investment" in this club in exchange for some ready cash. We might see nothing of value in return. After all, the team is poor and attendance is tanking despite their best efforts. Now may be the time to get some of that cash they spent in hopes of improvement back.

Of course they might try something else and sign some well-past-his-prime used-to-be-big-name in order to try to scam the SSHs to renew once again.

Fort York Redcoat
07-13-2012, 07:44 AM
Isn't it a bit curious though that you mention is mediocrity yet also acknowledge his contribution and place on the CNMT?

To me, JDG will always be a player saddled with very un-realistic hope and expectations based on his salary and passport. Arguably, he was contributing very noticeably last season. Now, maybe not DP worthy but in terms of MLS quality defensive midfielders, certainly not at the bottom of the heap. In terms of Canadians playing this game in North America? Well his inclusion on the CNMT sort of highlights he is one of the better ones.

JDG on a non-DP contract should have been a priority for this club given MLS roster rules.



You say "saddled" as if it was MLSE pushing him into taking more money than he was worth. You're quicker with stats than I. How much was he making before he was wooed to come home? It's clear his best years were left back there but we shouldn't ignore that we're in a very poor footy market salary wise. In our league he's been call a 100-300k player here now. What division would that place him in Spain?

brad
07-13-2012, 07:52 AM
This transfer window is gonna be hell on Julian B. Guzman protecting his bail investment. Soolsma already adrift, and now this?

Hahaha. Poor dude is gonna be destitute. He put up what, $250? Between that and getting his Lamborghini fixed, I feel for him.

Pookie
07-13-2012, 07:53 AM
You say "saddled" as if it was MLSE pushing him into taking more money than he was worth. You're quicker with stats than I. How much was he making before he was wooed to come home? It's clear his best years were left back there but we shouldn't ignore that we're in a very poor footy market salary wise. In our league he's been call a 100-300k player here now. What division would that place him in Spain?

Absolutely MLSE was pushing him to come play here.

He gave quotes as to the fact he would rather play in Europe. He turned down our offer. It took months before he signed here.

Not saying this is a woe-is-me story for Julian. That said, the fact remains that TFC was hunting beaver (or trying to bring in a big name Canadian) and overpaid by an extreme amount to land him.

When no other options (and 1.9M reasons) came, he signed here.

brad
07-13-2012, 07:54 AM
... and that could be it. ML$E could be reducing down their "investment" in this club in exchange for some ready cash. We might see nothing of value in return. After all, the team is poor and attendance is tanking despite their best efforts. Now may be the time to get some of that cash they spent in hopes of improvement back.

Of course they might try something else and sign some well-past-his-prime used-to-be-big-name in order to try to scam the SSHs to renew once again.

I just don't see Dallas picking up his huge salary. If they do, they must have a worse FO than us. This all seems like TFC clearing the slot.

Waggy
07-13-2012, 07:55 AM
I'm, I'm, I'm, just so happy! Not reading through everything, but I assume that means we have a DP spot back? Any legit rumors?


edit: I fully expect JDG to do very well now that he's on a good team. Be prepared for him to really blossom out there. No hard feelings from me, it didn't work out here but he never caused problems like Dero and was very professional when he was asked to come off the bench- even as the teams highest paid player.

Jack
07-13-2012, 08:00 AM
That's kind of weak. AND not what the title of your post was: "JULIAN DE GUZMAN OUT, KEVIN MCKENNA IN FOR TORONTO FC"

You shouldn't report something as fact when you don't know them to be facts, right?




I agree. It's quite irresponsible and the headline smacks of desperation. Armen, I applaud your efforts and I know your passion about being a TFC and soccer reporter, but I hope that, with experience, you realize that this sort of activity doesn't help your credibility.


Aceval was a MF'er most of his career ... which would explain to me his lack of "instinctiveness" when playing in the back four.



I'm surprised at this as, given everything I've read about him, I was under the impression he played as a left-sided wingback or fullback while in Chile given what I've seen in videos and read. In his Spanish Wiki, they refer to his time in "la zaga", which is the defensive line. Many articles refer to him as a defender, specifically a left-sided one. My understanding is that he played left back most of the time, which could still explain his lack of comfort in the centre of defence.

tfcleeds
07-13-2012, 08:01 AM
Good riddance. This is a happy day. This guy was on autopilot (and that's putting it generously) since the day he came here.

T-boy
07-13-2012, 08:12 AM
Be prepared to be disappointed. Never fails when it comes to ML$E. Weren't the Raptors going to have a big signing that didn't turn out (I don't follow basketball)?

I don' tthink we need a "big money signing" right now. Getting JDG off the salary cap is worth its weight in gold! The guy has been taking up WAY too much cap space and not giving us anything back for it. We can get a couple of very decent MLS players for the amount of cap space he was taking up. I don't think NOW is the time to replace one lump of cap space with another. Now is the time to get balance in the squad. We can get a decent CB AND cover for Koev's with the money that has been free'd up with this release of cap space.

I'm assuming for THIS season, we would get half of the cap space JDG was taking up? That plus Soolsma and Plata out, releases quite a large amount of money. I'm assuming Aceval might be the best to leave, and that's then a HUGE chunk of change so we can get players into the balance out the squad.

I'm not going to sing praises about Mariner right now until we see what we get in return for all this. But at the moment its fascinating movement of cap space going on! I'm intreagued to see what comes our way.

Detroit_TFC
07-13-2012, 08:17 AM
Good riddance. This is a happy day. This guy was on autopilot (and that's putting it generously) since the day he came here.

That's what I was thinking too. Thought we would have to wait til post season/January transfer window for this. Was appalled that there was even a hint of contract renewal talks.

Derko
07-13-2012, 08:19 AM
This news doesn't affect me in the slightest. Not the way Soolsma's release did. Soolsma was useful. JDG, well, enough has been said about him over the years, no need to go over it again.

My only concern is that Frings has to stay healthy now.

My feelings as well. I wish JDG all the best, It was not that he was a bad player, just bad for the money and DP spot he was filling.

T-boy
07-13-2012, 08:21 AM
That's what I was thinking too. Thought we would have to wait til post season/January transfer window for this. Was appalled that there was even a hint of contract renewal talks.

The negotiation was probably something like:

TFC "We will sign you again if you pay back the $6million we've given you the last 3 years
JDG "No way"
TFC "ok goodbye".

That's a negotiation still! Just not a very long one!

Redcoe15
07-13-2012, 08:22 AM
The way I fell is that if you are fucking with us expect to be infracted for trolling.

If it's true,I'll kiss you next time I see you,how about that?

Will there be some tounge action? :lol:

David_Oliveira
07-13-2012, 08:23 AM
I really feel bad for JDG about this whole situation. We the fans pretty much forced him down the FO's throats for months before he came over. The FO listened to what we the fans wanted and brought him over. Right from the beginning he had unattainable goals set for him by us the fans. We have to take some of the blame here folks. WE fucked up just as hard as the FO and JDG in this situation.

I wish him luck in his future. It didn't work out so time to move on.

ensco
07-13-2012, 08:25 AM
Getting JDG off the salary cap is worth its weight in gold! The guy has been taking up WAY too much cap space and not giving us anything back for it. We can get a couple of very decent MLS players for the amount of cap space he was taking up. I don't think NOW is the time to replace one lump of cap space with another. Now is the time to get balance in the squad. We can get a decent CB AND cover for Koev's with the money that has been free'd up with this release of cap space.

I'm assuming for THIS season, we would get half of the cap space JDG was taking up? That plus Soolsma and Plata out, releases quite a large amount of money. I'm assuming Aceval might be the best to leave, and that's then a HUGE chunk of change so we can get players into the balance out the squad.

I'm not going to sing praises about Mariner right now until we see what we get in return for all this. But at the moment its fascinating movement of cap space going on! I'm intreagued to see what comes our way.

Sorry but I doubt very much that any of this is happening. I will bet you that, to the extent JDG is "freeing up cap space", we are sending something back (allocation? other value?) to Dallas to pay for it. Dallas are not idiots, JDG has almost no value. The cap hit remains. We bought back the DP slot, that's all.

ryan
07-13-2012, 08:25 AM
Well JDG did have to go, so that's good that it's finally over.

As for the McKenna rumour, anyone who wouldn't want him is absolutely mad. He's a leader (and will be playing with Morgan/Henry at Canada camps, so cohesion will exist), a workhorse, a massive threat offensively as he has pro experience as a mid/striker as well, and a massive reason why Canada hasn't given up a goal in a competitive match in almost a bloody year.

If you wouldn't want him because he's Canadian, you're bloody mental and should go cheer for the Caps and their anti Canadian ways. He would be an outstanding fit for our club right now. Sure if we can get John back in this trade, that would be great, but doesn't diminish the value in acquiring a guy like McKenna.

T-boy
07-13-2012, 08:25 AM
I really feel bad for JDG about this whole situation. We the fans pretty much forced him down the FO's throats for months before he came over. The FO listened to what we the fans wanted and brought him over. Right from the beginning he had unattainable goals set for him by us the fans. We have to take some of the blame here folks. WE fucked up just as hard as the FO and JDG in this situation.

I wish him luck in his future. It didn't work out so time to move on.

A lot of us (me included) saw JDG the first time in the Jamaica international game at BMO. He looked classy that day and I thought, along with a lot of others, that he would be a fantastic signing. We were all definitely wrong. What we saw against Jamaica was JDG on a shit-hot day, not to be repeated.

ensco
07-13-2012, 08:26 AM
I really feel bad for JDG about this whole situation. We the fans pretty much forced him down the FO's throats for months before he came over. The FO listened to what we the fans wanted and brought him over. Right from the beginning he had unattainable goals set for him by us the fans. We have to take some of the blame here folks. WE fucked up just as hard as the FO and JDG in this situation.

I wish him luck in his future. It didn't work out so time to move on.

Correct. We have to look in the mirror here.

T-boy
07-13-2012, 08:27 AM
I'm assuming the longer it goes without an official press release from the club, the more I'd assume that somebody is in negotiations to come here from Dallas? Otherwise, if it was a one way trade, it would be an easy press release to make asap.

spark
07-13-2012, 08:28 AM
I really feel bad for JDG about this whole situation. We the fans pretty much forced him down the FO's throats for months before he came over. The FO listened to what we the fans wanted and brought him over. Right from the beginning he had unattainable goals set for him by us the fans. We have to take some of the blame here folks. WE fucked up just as hard as the FO and JDG in this situation..

Ha I distinctly remember in the first townhall people bitching about JDG and PB finally piping up and going "YOU GUYS WANTED HIM!!!"

For CMNT will always be on his side but honestly for TFC have to think about the club and his salary/status would always be holding us back and a reminder of 2009. I think he'll probably go on to do well in a city where there's not as much pressure.

TFC Tifoso
07-13-2012, 08:31 AM
I really feel bad for JDG about this whole situation. We the fans pretty much forced him down the FO's throats for months before he came over. The FO listened to what we the fans wanted and brought him over. Right from the beginning he had unattainable goals set for him by us the fans. We have to take some of the blame here folks. WE fucked up just as hard as the FO and JDG in this situation.

I wish him luck in his future. It didn't work out so time to move on.

that's irrelevant because a half competant FO of any team doesn't give two craps what the fans think............its purely the FO's fault since they haven't had a clue from Day 1..........if that point held any water then these clowns should just all step down and let us (supporters) run the team........

Canary10
07-13-2012, 08:35 AM
I'm assuming the longer it goes without an official press release from the club, the more I'd assume that somebody is in negotiations to come here from Dallas? Otherwise, if it was a one way trade, it would be an easy press release to make asap.

I wouldn't assume that. I would assume Earl Cochrane is sitting pen in hand trying to figure out the messaging to deny this has happened.

FootieChick
07-13-2012, 08:36 AM
http://www.thestar.com/sports/soccer/mls/article/1225982--toronto-fc-trades-julian-de-guzman-to-fc-dallas - it's already in the Toronto Star as of a 1/2 hour ago.

Oldtimer
07-13-2012, 08:41 AM
I'm not going to sing praises about Mariner right now until we see what we get in return for all this.

I had no idea you were holding yourself back! I'll hate to see what your posts will be like once you start singing his praises. :michael: :lol:

Chevy
07-13-2012, 08:41 AM
Makes room for Paul Dickov

Ahhh, the joke that never stops giving. :)

ryan
07-13-2012, 08:41 AM
Ha I distinctly remember in the first townhall people bitching about JDG and PB finally piping up and going "YOU GUYS WANTED HIM!!!"


Which is hilarious because that goes to show that they are more interested in appeasing what we post on the boards than running a football club. Bloody idiot.

T-boy
07-13-2012, 08:42 AM
Any guesses who we are getting in return?! I can't imagine Dallas wanting to ship out their captain Ihemelu? but that seems the most likely guy wanted by Mariner (experienced CB). John is a possibility then, maybe? If its Brek Shea, he will fit in nicely in Toronto's Church St?! :p

DaBandit
07-13-2012, 08:42 AM
Well JDG did have to go, so that's good that it's finally over.

As for the McKenna rumour, anyone who wouldn't want him is absolutely mad. He's a leader (and will be playing with Morgan/Henry at Canada camps, so cohesion will exist), a workhorse, a massive threat offensively as he has pro experience as a mid/striker as well, and a massive reason why Canada hasn't given up a goal in a competitive match in almost a bloody year.

If you wouldn't want him because he's Canadian, you're bloody mental and should go cheer for the Caps and their anti Canadian ways. He would be an outstanding fit for our club right now. Sure if we can get John back in this trade, that would be great, but doesn't diminish the value in acquiring a guy like McKenna.

Ryan, I don't think anyone has said they don't want him. Some have just voiced that they don't want him taking up a dp slot..

T-boy
07-13-2012, 08:43 AM
Which is hilarious because that goes to show that they are more interested in appeasing what we post on the boards than running a football club. Bloody idiot.

If that was the case we would have a squad full of Italians (and no English players), Dunfield would be the cleaning lady for the club, and Anselmi would live in Tumbuktu!

Stryker
07-13-2012, 08:43 AM
Well JDG did have to go, so that's good that it's finally over.

As for the McKenna rumour, anyone who wouldn't want him is absolutely mad. He's a leader (and will be playing with Morgan/Henry at Canada camps, so cohesion will exist), a workhorse, a massive threat offensively as he has pro experience as a mid/striker as well, and a massive reason why Canada hasn't given up a goal in a competitive match in almost a bloody year.

If you wouldn't want him because he's Canadian, you're bloody mental and should go cheer for the Caps and their anti Canadian ways. He would be an outstanding fit for our club right now. Sure if we can get John back in this trade, that would be great, but doesn't diminish the value in acquiring a guy like McKenna.
Would you still want McKenna if he burned up the DP spot? I wouldn't. Yes he's very good but he's also slooooooow and if theres one thing we've learned it's that MLS eats slow defenders alive.

Greatest Ripoff
07-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Would you still want McKenna if he burned up the DP spot? I wouldn't. Yes he's very good but he's also slooooooow and if theres one thing we've learned it's that MLS eats slow defenders alive.

Slow and very smart. Do you think there aren't players with excellent pace playing in the bundesliga?

Ageroo
07-13-2012, 08:47 AM
Slow and very smart. Do you think there aren't players with excellent pace playing in the bundesliga?

Exactly.......I think he'll do just fine. If he comes that is....

Fort York Redcoat
07-13-2012, 08:51 AM
Any guesses who we are getting in return?! I can't imagine Dallas wanting to ship out their captain Ihemelu? but that seems the most likely guy wanted by Mariner (experienced CB). John is a possibility then, maybe? If its Brek Shea, he will fit in nicely in Toronto's Church St?! :p

More Queen than Church. And I hope not. He's not a villain I'd care to support.

Stryker
07-13-2012, 08:53 AM
Regardless I don't think the league would allow him as a DP anyway. At this point it's seen the FO fuck things up for so long it's probley trying to protect the the team from itself.

DaBandit
07-13-2012, 08:53 AM
I had no idea you were holding yourself back! I'll hate to see what your posts will be like once you start singing his praises. :michael: :lol:

Lol..:smilielol5:

TFCtoMUFC
07-13-2012, 08:54 AM
Non-Canadian? Carlos Bocanegra? That'd be a good CB signing.

ryan
07-13-2012, 08:55 AM
Would you still want McKenna if he burned up the DP spot? I wouldn't. Yes he's very good but he's also slooooooow and if theres one thing we've learned it's that MLS eats slow defenders alive.

Did you want the 5 year older Nesta?

Speed doesn't matter if you're in excellent position. Lets stop pretending MLS has more speed than CONCACAF, it doesn't.

ryan
07-13-2012, 08:57 AM
Ryan, I don't think anyone has said they don't want him. Some have just voiced that they don't want him taking up a dp slot..

I don't know how many magical allocation dollars we have, what would people pay then? You could sign him for like 500K using allocation. All our V's cup and bottom table finishes have to be allocating us a ton of these MLS bucks.

__wowza
07-13-2012, 09:01 AM
I really feel bad for JDG about this whole situation. We the fans pretty much forced him down the FO's throats for months before he came over. The FO listened to what we the fans wanted and brought him over. Right from the beginning he had unattainable goals set for him by us the fans. We have to take some of the blame here folks. WE fucked up just as hard as the FO and JDG in this situation.

I wish him luck in his future. It didn't work out so time to move on.

im going to refute this to the death. we didn't want "him" specifically.
we wanted a canadian DP. he was chosen. he was given a ridiculous salary (seriously, even at the time it was ridiculous). he was given a 3 year contract.

he came over with some high expectations, but unattainable goals? give me a break. half of the time he was on the pitch he didn't look like he gave two shits about playing for TFC. the only time he ever performed was:

1. if it was the champions league, or
2. the game after he fucked up the wall and let a free kick in.

other than that, i can name the games he performed in on one hand, and im stretching it. it wasn't just the salary, it was the fact that he's played at a higher level, so he was expected to bring that higher level with him here. instead he saw it as a demotion and played like it. the number of publications ive read that've named him near the bottom of useful DPs in our league is astounding.

Richard
07-13-2012, 09:03 AM
Even though our CB situation may suck, i still think our midfield is in worse shape. Btw you absolutly need pace in the midfield or you loose the battle like we continualy see.

ArmenJBX
07-13-2012, 09:03 AM
TFC get Andrew Wiedeman for JDG

cmonyoureds
07-13-2012, 09:04 AM
Front office rationale.....

#1 Salary dump
#2 Announce/rumor "big name DP coming" at the same time as the ticket renewal comes up
#3 Press release "we JUST missed out on signing X, but will continue to search for someone for 2013"
#4 Count money from ticket renewals.

PopePouri
07-13-2012, 09:05 AM
Exactly. It's not like other Toronto DPs have not lived up to those so called unattainable goals. Frings and Koev have lived up to my expectations.

ryan
07-13-2012, 09:06 AM
TFC get Andrew Wiedeman for JDG

Seems like a nobody?

KGH
07-13-2012, 09:08 AM
Not bad for 4 reasons:

1) Cap room
2) Back-up forward
3) DP slot
4) Could still be a Gen Adidas so no cap hit to us

Stryker
07-13-2012, 09:09 AM
TFC get Andrew Wiedeman for JDG
There's a name I haven't heard in a while. He was a gen addidas bust no?

KGH
07-13-2012, 09:09 AM
I'm waiting for the announcement on Aceval next

AlanO
07-13-2012, 09:10 AM
Seems like a nobody?

Young forward, Generation Adidas (cap-friendly).

http://www.fcdallas.com/news/2012/07/fc-dallas-acquires-julian-de-guzman

ryan
07-13-2012, 09:10 AM
I'm waiting for the announcement on Aceval next

A guy making 6 figures in this league with 10 straight matches of not even making the roster....has to happen.

KRO
07-13-2012, 09:11 AM
TFC get Andrew Wiedeman for JDG
Seems like a squad player. Scored a bunch of goals at college but hasn't played much for Dallas.
At least he's a forward. We're only one DK pulled muscle away from not having enough of those.

Canary10
07-13-2012, 09:11 AM
I like how the Dallas has Hyndman saying "He will give FC Dallas an additional veteran that can solidify our possession style of play."

I guess the inverse is true for TFC. Looks like the people nervous about Winter going are having their fears come true. We have yet another complete break in philosophy, and yet another rebuild around yet another playing style.

Pinkie
07-13-2012, 09:13 AM
im going to refute this to the death. we didn't want "him" specifically.
we wanted a canadian DP. he was chosen. he was given a ridiculous salary (seriously, even at the time it was ridiculous). he was given a 3 year contract.



I distincly remember signatures on these boards stating straight up JDG for TFC...I don't know how that doesn't indicate that we didn't want him specifically. We all saw how well he played for Canada, saw that he had won player of the season for La Coruna and said WANT.

I wish him luck in FC Dallas, where he cannot face the amount of pressure he did here.

Carts
07-13-2012, 09:14 AM
2. the game after he fucked up the wall and let a free kick in.

The famous Julian 'I JUMPED OUT OF THE WAY' de Guzman DEBACLE...

__wowza
07-13-2012, 09:14 AM
Exactly. It's not like other Toronto DPs have not lived up to those so called unattainable goals. Frings and Koev have lived up to my expectations.

they've surpassed my expectations. i thought they'd be competent, but i never expected them to be so hard working.

Stryker
07-13-2012, 09:17 AM
The famous Julian 'I JUMPED OUT OF THE WAY' de Guzman DEBACLE...
Ah yes another bold faced lie by the club. "Juilian wasen't supposed to be in the wall" despite him being there 80 percent of the time before and after the incident.

__wowza
07-13-2012, 09:17 AM
I distincly remember signatures on these boards stating straight up JDG for TFC...I don't know how that doesn't indicate that we didn't want him specifically. We all saw how well he played for Canada, saw that he had won player of the season for La Coruna and said WANT.

I wish him luck in FC Dallas, where he cannot face the amount of pressure he did here.

i can't disagree that there was a few, but i mean in the grand scheme. there were bigger names floating around and better supported than him. i shouldn't have generalized.

Beach_Red
07-13-2012, 09:23 AM
I like how the Dallas has Hyndman saying "He will give FC Dallas an additional veteran that can solidify our possession style of play."

I guess the inverse is true for TFC. Looks like the people nervous about Winter going are having their fears come true. We have yet another complete break in philosophy, and yet another rebuild around yet another playing style.

It does seem like this team is headed back to where it was a few years ago. I wonder if we'll actually see another DP signing, or if we'll go back to the day where the ticket sales had to happen first, and then the money got spent. This team operated with one of the highest payrolls in the league for a couple of years but that was really spending the money earned in the first three 'sell-out' years.

So maybe the change in style is a move to be able to field a cheaper team.

Shakes McQueen
07-13-2012, 09:24 AM
So we managed to get rid of an inconsistent DP with a bad contract, for some jobber and a bunch of cap room. Works for me.

- Scott

Initial B
07-13-2012, 09:26 AM
Just about did a spit-take when I first saw the news this morning. My feelings are mixed about this - I'm still amazed that Dunfield is valued higher than JDG. I would like to have kept JDG at a much-lower salary, but I get the feeling JDG wouldn't have put up with a lower offer from the same team that hired him at an exhorbitant rate. I guess this will be a fresh start for him and for TFC. We'll see how it goes from here, I guess.